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Paul McCartney Releases Album As DRM-Free Download

Medieval Cow writes "Sir Paul McCartney has a side project called The Fireman and he's just released their new album, Electric Arguments, as a digital download. Why this is of interest to this community is that he released it 100% DRM-free. You can purchase just the digital files, or if you purchase a physical CD or vinyl copy, you are also given access to the digital download. Not only that, but the download is available in 320-kbps MP3, Apple Lossless, or even FLAC format. If you're interested in trying before you buy, you can listen to the entire album in a Flash player on the main page of the site. It's so nice to see a big musician who gets it. Bravo, Sir Paul!"

292 comments

  1. Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by NinthAgendaDotCom · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...usually like to release DRM-free, or even free, period (Radiohead, NIN. etc.). With certain exceptions *cough*Metallica*cough*.

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    1. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Paul McCartney was one of the biggest proponents of that attempt to get retroactive copyright extension of sound recordings a few years back. Maybe he's changed his attitude towards copyright since then.. or maybe he's just interested in making a buck (or a bob) any way he can.

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    2. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by stonedcat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Napster Bad!!!!

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    3. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by JavaRob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Paul McCartney was one of the biggest proponents of that attempt to get retroactive copyright extension of sound recordings a few years back. Maybe he's changed his attitude towards copyright since then.. or maybe he's just interested in making a buck (or a bob) any way he can.

      Yeah, I don't think he's doing it because he's suddenly anti-copyright.

      This is a particularly good time in the history of the recording industry to be one of the "good guys" who drops the DRM and gets press for doing it.

      Notice the huge free ad he just got on Slashdot?

      And think about it -- if you're choosing between paying for a Metallica vs. paying for this one, what goes through your head?
      * I hate that @#$%in' DRM...
      * Metallica! Those DRM-loving pricks. @#$% 'em, I'm just getting this one off the internets.
      * McCartney! He removed the DRM... Maybe I shouldn't rip him off.

      It's a marketing experiment. There'll probably be more freeloaders, since the people who *wanted* to get their music for free but couldn't figure it out will have an easier time of it. But if sales are boosted enough by the good press and goodwill, the experiment will have succeeded.

    4. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by nozzo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      DRM free or not it's still rubbish music - who cares either way?

    5. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by mrclisdue · · Score: 1

      This could only have been modded "flamebait" by a metallica fan who agrees with drm.

      Probably someone who loves Vista, doesn't use car analogies...and...and moved out of his parents' basement years ago.

      ZOMG! /. has been infiltrated! Where's the tinfoil?

    6. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by g253 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can listen to the last Metallica album in whole, on their website (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601231). They also sell all their live shows as drm-free mp3...

    7. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by Spliffster · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yesterday I have seen the first TV advert on German TV which said (in german obviously) somthing like: "musicload.de: pure MP3, no digital restrictions".

      AFAICT DRM was a topic for gamers but not the average music customer. The DRM topic has hit the mainstream Media now.

      -S

    8. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt many Metallica fans would rush out to buy this one.

    9. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      I think with the wide proliferation of portable music players since 2001, there's a big market for portable music files anyway. I think every musician is starting to realize that if they want to capture this market they have to find a way to make it easier to copy music to these portable music players.

      Mind you, I'd like to see everyone on the commercial side gravitate towards using AAC-encoded files, since they tend to sound better than MP3-encoded files and the fact that most generation Apple iPods support this format along with most higher-end portable music players.

    10. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by maxume · · Score: 1

      Torrent good!!!

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    11. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by El+Lobo · · Score: 1
      While what Sir Paul did is commendable, you shouldn't expect the same from every other musician out there. Paul McCartney's fortune is worth several milliards pounds even after the one-legged gold-digger left with her portion in her pockets. So for him it really doesn't matters if 10 or 1000 people buy the album.

      Now , Joe Metal who has an underground band and doesn't even have a penny gets a contract with EMI...if EMI wants it to be DRMed, guess if Joe will agree or not.

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    12. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Notice the huge free ad he just got on Slashdot?

      You don't honestly think Paul McCartney is bothered about getting free publicity on Slashdot?

    13. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by digitig · · Score: 1

      We all should. Rubbish or not (I'm with you on that, FWIW), Macca does "shift" a lot of "product", and if he makes this model work then the labels are going to take notice. Sure, Macca's target demographic isn't the one doing most of the downloading, (I'm too old to be happy without physical media but too young to be in Macca's target fanbase) but it's still a significant move (one of many, of course) pushing the industry towards a 21st century business model.

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    14. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by Sabathius · · Score: 1

      For those of you who don't know the reference...Google Camp Chaos, then look into the old videos section. Comedy gold awaits!

    15. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi
      I am an "unsigned-musician" modern-day musician,who is making the best of online marketing/exposure facilities available,via various music websites on the net.
      Even though i would love to get just a few dollars from the free-downloads that i offer,it is well worth offering music for free,as a means to build a fan-base (Paul Mc Cartney does not really need this exposure anymore)
      I work via various websites like www.garageband.com/artist/oppie www.isound.com/pierre_opperman and last but not least,can be viewed at www.pierreopperman.com for free downloads of my music.
      Pierre Opperman (oppie)

    16. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by theaveng · · Score: 1

      >>>There'll probably be more freeloaders..... but if sales are boosted enough by the good press and goodwill, the experiment will have succeeded.

      Yes that's the flaw with this "try before you buy" model:

      (1) Under the old paradigm I had to buy the CD to discover I didn't like it. So record company gets + $12.
      (2) Under the new paradigm the record company has a loss of 0.1 cent (approximate cost of bandwidth I used). 0.1 cent may not sound like much but when multiplied by a few million non-purchasing listeners, it adds up.

      If I was a greedy marketer like the folks at RIAA or ASCAP, I too would choose option 1 over option 2. It's dishonest but it puts more money in my spoony bard.

      ASIDE:

      One advantage of new websites is that my Employer has not had time to block it yet!
      I normally can't listen to music at work, so being able to hear McCartney is a nice surprise.

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    17. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or perhaps its that he's having a hard time selling his blatantly Pro-Communism agenda through his medium. People aren't buying it so, in order to assist the movement, he's giving it away.

    18. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by MicklePickle · · Score: 1

      Well, I didn't know about him releasing this album DRM free until I heard it here. Because it's DRM free, I'll go buy it.

      So, I think Paul likes the free publicity where-ever he can get it.

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    19. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by TehZorroness · · Score: 1

      Their last album is not what got them into hot water. It was when they sued Napster in the 90s because a couple studio recordings had been leaked. After having a huge pool of their fans join the already huge pool of their enemies, they weren't doing too well and they had realized it was themselves who shot the hole in the bottom of their boat. They are playing nice now (or at least trying to look that way) because that is their only hope.

      On a completely unrelated note, their new album is garbage. If I hear them complain about piracuy distrupting their sales, when they are trying to hand you a steamy peice of shit and call it gold, then they can get in another bus accedent and all die, because this is beginning to piss me off.

    20. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by stainlesssteelpat · · Score: 1

      I'll let you spot your own oxymoron there.

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    21. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by Skuldo · · Score: 1

      Replace "artists", with "huge artists who don't need any more money".

    22. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by eldaria · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the exact same thing, I will buy this only because it is DRM free. And if it is a publicity stunt, well then it is only better, becasue then we can go and point, see it works. Sure it will be pirated, but it would anyway.

    23. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Ok. Metallica blew on the Napster thing. Now they are starting to see the light. That is a good thing. Also. I kind of like their new album. Its a matter of taste I guess. I hated Load and Re-Load. But to each his own. Now I belive that they should relase their albums free of DRM. OTOH people who steal are thieves and Metallica has every right to not be happy about that. You are probably hanging on to old stuff that is bound to make you bitter and stupid. Bummer for you.

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    24. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..which will be good for us consumers.

    25. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      1) Under the old paradigm I had to buy the CD to discover I didn't like it. So record company gets + $12.

      Some CD sellers already have the ability to listen into the CDs in the shop. You'll not pay $12 if you don't like what you listen to there, either.

      (2) Under the new paradigm the record company has a loss of 0.1 cent (approximate cost of bandwidth I used). 0.1 cent may not sound like much but when multiplied by a few million non-purchasing listeners, it adds up.

      OTOH someone may buy something he wouldn't ever have bought if he hadn't listened and liked it. Or maybe he even would have, if he had actually looked there, instead of going somewhere else where he knew that he could listen in advance.

      Remember, the number of people who buy your stuff is not a constant. And a preview feature may well increase that number. Note that the in-shop preview ability mentioned above costs money, too, so obviously it works, or they wouldn't pay for it.

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    26. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by athakur999 · · Score: 1

      There are a ton of cheap players out there that can't play AAC.

      Higher bitrate MP3s are transparent for most people. AAC may be able to be transparent at a lower bitrate but with storage space so cheap these days, I'll gladly trade a little bit of disk space for much better compatibility.

      In any case, if you want to pick a standard format for the commercial side to settle on, I'd pick FLAC. At least then you can convert it to whatever other format you want without any transcoding-related quality issues.

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    27. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      Sadly, the experiment succeeds whether the result is good or bad. If this makes money they can say it's because it was a novel distribution method, but if it loses them money they can blame it on pirates.

      Win-win, really.

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    28. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      (2) Under the new paradigm the record company has a loss of 0.1 cent (approximate cost of bandwidth I used). 0.1 cent may not sound like much but when multiplied by a few million non-purchasing listeners, it adds up.

      So... just let people download the song using p2p, that way, they will use zero bytes of your bandwidth to download the song.

    29. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by turgid · · Score: 1

      Well, I didn't know about him releasing this album DRM free until I heard it here. Because it's DRM free, I'll go buy it.

      Let me know when he's paying people to listen to his music. Life is short and my time is valuable.

    30. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by mi · · Score: 1

      Until they realize, that they can sell only one copy this way...

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    31. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by frsmith · · Score: 1

      HI Cant seem to buy the flac version on my linux box running firefox 3.

      Box opens to buy and cant see the print to fill in the fields!!!

      Lost sales there then!

      Bob

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    32. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by frsmith · · Score: 1

      Up Date re the above.
      Thought I'd send an email re this:

      HI
      I have tried to buy the Flac version of the album. When the box opens to buy I cannot see any text to fill in the fields.
      This is using Firefox 3 on Ubuntu Linux.

      Is the site only usable in IE?

      Best regards
      Frank Smith

      Got this:

      Delivery to the following recipient failed
      permanently:

      webmaster@paulmccartney.com

      Technical details of permanent failure:
      Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain.
      We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 :
      Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (state 14).


      not looking good for them

      bob

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    33. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by JavaRob · · Score: 1

      "Win-win" from whose perspective?

      If it makes money, more albums will be released DRM-free ('cause it works) and *we* the consumers won't have to be constantly pissed-off with horrible DRM that tries to screw with our computers and interferes with perfectly legal use.

      If it doesn't make money, they blame it on the pirates... and they focus back on the DRM. We lose.

    34. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by JavaRob · · Score: 1

      You don't honestly think Paul McCartney is bothered about getting free publicity on Slashdot?

      I think you misunderstood me. It's EXACTLY what he wants. That's the whole point: it's a huge free ad, one of many.

    35. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by JavaRob · · Score: 1

      You can listen to the last Metallica album in whole, on their website (http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601231). They also sell all their live shows as drm-free mp3...

      I will readily confess I do not keep up with Metallica developments.

      But that reinforces my point. Metallica got burned for screaming about things their paying fans were doing & taking an approach to threats to their income which alienated a lot of fans.

      Now they're rethinking their approach from a marketing perspective.

      I don't think either they or McCartney are "the good guys" or "the bad guys"... they're highly successful in their business, and these are calculated steps.

      I highly doubt that either of them is going to intentionally do something that damages their money flow.

    36. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by JavaRob · · Score: 1

      Yes that's the flaw with this "try before you buy" model:

      (1) Under the old paradigm I had to buy the CD to discover I didn't like it. So record company gets + $12.
      (2) Under the new paradigm the record company has a loss of 0.1 cent (approximate cost of bandwidth I used).

      It seems like you're assuming that you'll buy one copy of every CD with good cover art (or by a name you recognize). You won't & don't, though -- if you can listen to album A before purchasing it, and you know you like it... vs. album B which you *might* like but can't preview... which will you buy?

      That's the choice they're betting on. It's like buying clothes from catalogs -- you're much more likely to buy from the store (after trying it on) than the catalog, where it had better look pretty damned good before you'll lay out the money and take the risk.

      Obviously buying clothes & digital music isn't a completely parallel experience -- but that's how this aspect works.

    37. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      It is NOT stealing! Stealing is when the original owner does not have it anymore, and he has an actual loss.
      In this case there is no loss, because it 1. got copied, and 2. given no choice but to buy it or not to buy it, the person who copied it would not have bought it in nearly 100% of the cases (the rest are crooks who really steal real things).

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    38. Re:Interesting how artists, when given a chance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DRM != Copyright

      He has a huge financial interest in seeing copyrights extended forever. It would be duplicitous of him to pretend he wouldn't like that law passed. If democracy worked his vote would soon be countered, no matter how hard he campaigned.

      However he also has a financial interest in maximizing the appeal of his current work, avoiding alienating his fan base by assuming they are all thieves, and generally not looking like a dick.

      Avoiding DRM is simply a sensible decision. Not really more then you would expect from someone with his experience, but unfortunately in the current climate still newsworthy.

  2. It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

    I'm impressed that he lets you try the album before you buy it, and that it's in flash. Of course, nobody would ever download the file and convert it to an mpeg because that wouldn't be honest.

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    1. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      .... That was odd. Ah well, looks like I accidentally double posted.

    2. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe people *would* download the file and convert it to an mpeg but let's be honest, it'll most probably be in shit/poor quality anyway. Probably below 128-kbps.

      Don't know about you, but I like to *listen* to *my* music.

    3. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by JavaRob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm impressed that he lets you try the album before you buy it, and that it's in flash. Of course, nobody would ever download the file and convert it to an mpeg because that wouldn't be honest.

      Meh, some obviously will. But what's the quality on that MP3? And of course the obvious realization: you can bet a lot of people in the music industry watch these experiments very carefully.

      If more people just find a way to get the album without paying for it (because that's obviously easier without the DRM... though still not completely trivial for the average fan) ...then they will be forced back into DRM-based approaches.

      It's a money experiment. Dunno how they'll measure exactly... I suppose they can at least monitor in some way how widespread the album becomes on the various p2p networks & torrent trackers; if it explodes, you may not see this approach again.

    4. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      I think you'd find this to be of acceptable quality:

      ffmpeg -title "SomeTitle" -i .flv -acodec libmp3lame -ar 48000 -ac 2 -ab 128k -vn -y .mp3

    5. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by xlotlu · · Score: 2, Informative

      Or instead of hunting for a 20+MB download...
      ffmpeg -i in.flv -acodec copy out.mp3
      mplayer in.flv -dumpaudio -dumpfile out.mp3

      ...or just listen to it in the flash player already and buy it if you like it.

      I've sampled it and I find it good-ish, but not impressive. Still, I am tempted to buy it just to "make a statement"... I know. Silly me.

    6. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      So I get modded troll for an idiot webhoster who did not chmod -007 the directory?

      Figures.

    7. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Interesting, you have been modded "Score:0, Funny". I am confused. Does that mean "not funny at all"?

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    8. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by ZERO1ZERO · · Score: 1

      I think (although I may be wrong) that the funny mod doesn't count towards karma.

    9. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by phillous · · Score: 1

      doesnt count towards karma, but should still affect the post's rating (ie what level you browse at to see it)

      What probably happend is that he got modded +1 funny and then -1 Overrated (since overrated just removes points without changing the funny or whatever).

    10. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by ZERO1ZERO · · Score: 1

      OK

      I thought karma was (post rating) - (no of posts) ... not that it actually matters since karma isn't expressed as a number any more.

    11. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by maxume · · Score: 2, Informative

      The audio is a 128 kb/s mp3 audio stream packed inside of a flash video file.

      Mplayer will demux the stream and dump the audio to a file with no loss in quality (I imagine that most semi-functional video software will do this).

      So it isn't good enough for someone who is fussy, but it is plenty good enough for your typical music fan (who is going to be playing it back on $2 headphones, or their laptop or cellphone).

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    12. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.thefiremanmusic.com/assets/flv/

      Not sure why you were marked troll. Unfortunately I noticed this immediately as well. The flash was not protected (for example, by flash obfuscation), and neither was the directory containing the songs.

    13. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      # I did'n post this, either... oops

      wget -r -d 1 http://www.thefiremanmusic.com/assets/flv/ &

    14. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Only James Bond has the right to chmod 007 a directory.

    15. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      People listen to music on $2 headphones? What a bunch of morons. I paid around three times that for mine!

    16. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      I think that's less likely, actually, unless he's particularly gouging the real thing, or making it particularly difficult to purchase.

      It's far more likely that they'll simply hit thepiratebay for the FLAC files once someone buys them and uploads them.

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    17. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by maxume · · Score: 1

      Karma is roughly sum(moderation).

      The easiest way to accrue it is to post early (at the top of stories), often (to as many stories as possible) and inane (don't say much and you are less likely to get modded down).

      Just posting reasonable comments is probably even easier, but later comments tend not to get moderated as much, so the points may not flow in. Also, some mods have fun ideas about what is reasonable.

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    18. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For anyone thinking to do this for the "make a statement" reason:

      1)This is not new and has been done before: 1929 TORCHES OF FREEDOM campaign: Getting women to smoke to affirm there emancipation. (campaign by Edward Bernays more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays or http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Torches+of+Freedom%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

      2)Watch THE CENTURY OF SELF by Adam Curtis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeEXDQNsJtU

      It's all part of propaganda/public relations marketing. Do they actually support your cause? Or are they simply monetizing it?

    19. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by ResidntGeek · · Score: 1

      Don't buy it. Do you REALLY think Paul Fucking McCartney, of all people, needs or even particularly wants your 9 sad dollars? Buy some chocolates for your girlfriend or a cheap copy of Oscar Wilde's works instead.

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    20. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by xouumalperxe · · Score: 1

      Actually, I've been at "Excellent" Karma for ages. I find that the trick is not playing the system: I post long, I post late, I post reasonably rarely, and I post my own opinion, not some random "must please the /. masses" crud. Sometimes I present my opinion in a heated manner and get modded down for it, but the times when I think before I post, or close the comment tab before posting because I think it'd be inane do most of the upmodding for me. That you even stop to think "how do I game the system?" is already doing it wrong on several levels.

    21. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by maxume · · Score: 1

      I don't game the system, and I don't think about it much, it is just obvious.

      It is quite likely that I have been at "Excellent" longer than you have had an (or that anyway,) account...

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    22. Re:It's nice that he lets you sample it first. by xouumalperxe · · Score: 1

      Yes, I figure you have been at "Excellent" for a while longer than I've been around. And yes, "an" account. Sock puppets are even more pathetic than karma whoring :). It wasn't an attack on you, so much as at the notion of "the quickest way to Excellent is (...)". Who cares? It's slashdot, not the legislative elections.

  3. Already on mininova by Smuttley · · Score: 2, Informative

    In fact it's been there since the 20th November.

  4. Not quite your average artist by MosesJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One point to make though is that Paul McCartney is the sort of guy who can afford to go DRM free, if this album is ripped, lobbed on bit-torrent and limewire then Macca is unlikely to be out on the streets through lost revenue. Its great that he has done it but the _fear_ of being ripped off is going to be less for one of the biggest selling artists of all time than it would be for the average band.

    Kudos indeed, but this isn't just a random artist choosing DRM this is the bloke from the Beatles who co-wrote the first hit for the Rolling Stones and the Frog Chorus.

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    1. Re:Not quite your average artist by MoellerPlesset2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, but McCartney is also an unusual artist by virtue of the fact that he owns the rights to a vast number of songs (something like 3,000) which he didn't write himself. Among others, Buddy Holly's back-catalog. So, seeing it from the viewpoint of a rather large rights-holder releasing songs DRM-free, the shoe is on the other foot.

    2. Re:Not quite your average artist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose he was talking about this song.

    3. Re:Not quite your average artist by JavaRob · · Score: 1

      ...if this album is ripped, lobbed on bit-torrent and limewire then Macca is unlikely to be out on the streets through lost revenue.

      It's another test, in the eyes of the music industry & other artists. Naturally they're all watching to see how this goes.

      And obviously everyone knows he's filthy rich, and doesn't need their money... so you won't have people buying the album (vs. snagging elsewhere for free) simply because they feel he needs the money. That could be a factor for less well-known artists.

      So, yeah, let's see how the test goes. For all the people who argue that *this* is the more profitable way to release an album -- this is where we see if they're right, or if they're just BSing because defeating DRM is annoying.

      I'm not saying this because I like DRM -- I just think it's funny how the *same* people who shout about how DRM will kill the music industry are also the first ones to put instructions online explaining how to rip the new DRM-FREE album without paying for it, just to help out the people who are too stupid to do even that.

      Uh -- let the stupid people buy the album. That's how you support more DRM-free music.

    4. Re:Not quite your average artist by FailedTheTuringTest · · Score: 4, Informative

      The song in question is I Wanna Be Your Man, written by Lennon and McCartney. The Rolling Stones released it as a single in 1963, before the Beatles did. It was their second single, reaching number 12 on the UK charts. The Stones' first single reached number 21, so I Wanna Be Your Man could be considered their first "hit" if you think of "hit" as meaning "top 20". The song was also the B side of the first single the Stones released in the USA.

      See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rolling_Stones_discography#Singles for more music trivia.

    5. Re:Not quite your average artist by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1, Troll

      Any artist who would be on the streets through lost revenue in his/her sale and fears it should simply not be trying to earn a living through music.

      You are supposed to make music because you like to do it, not as a full-time job. The multi-millionaires rock stars didn't exist before the invention of disc records and probably won't exist after that. That was more of an accident. Artists don't have a right to make money from their art, it just happened to work well. I don't have the right to listen freely to their music, it just happens to work well.

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    6. Re:Not quite your average artist by LS · · Score: 1

      You make a good point, and it's all about risk. Anyone who is wealthy can easily release music without DRM, but so do many very small unknown bands. The ones who would be surprising to see release DRM are the ones in the middle - on the verge of success or moderately popular. They may not get a lot of revenue but are somewhat comfortable. If a middle of the road band (monetarily) starts releasing DRM-free music, that would be news.

      LS

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    7. Re:Not quite your average artist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And... so what? So your argument is if they can afford it who cares, but then does it only matter when garage bands go DRM free?

      This is actually fantastic. I was going to buy a single as a donation of sorts, but you have to buy the full CD (which wouldn't be bad if I actually listened to his music). If this makes as much or more than a similar non-DRM release, then it'll make a strong argument to artists to go DRM-less. John's Indie Band going DRM free doesn't mean shit, even though John might really need the money.

    8. Re:Not quite your average artist by MosesJones · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are supposed to make music because you like to do it, not as a full-time job.

      Stallman is that you? Are you serious?

      Artists don't have a right to make money from their art, it just happened to work well.

      WTF? So Michaelangelo should have done the Sistine Chapel for free? Da Vinci shouldn't have taken that commission for the Mona Lisa? Mozart should never have taken that court job or done those popular operas?

      The multi-millionaires rock stars didn't exist before the invention of disc records and probably won't exist after that.
      Go and have a look at some of the musicians, opera singers, composers and the like (who didn't drink it all away) from previous centuries and realise what a piece of muppetry you are saying.

      I don't have the right to listen freely to their music, it just happens to work well.

      I've never felt like condemning copyright violation as outright theft before but your mentality really does seem to be in that category of "F-U, F-everyone" and "I'm alright Jack" asshole that just deserves to be up before the judge. I don't have a right to my neighbours car... and you know what I won't be taking it for a joy ride no matter how well it would work for me.

      Oh hang on, you are clearly actually an RIAA plant because no-one could be that big a sociopath.... could they?
       

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    9. Re:Not quite your average artist by Bwian_of_Nazareth · · Score: 1

      [...] if this album is ripped, lobbed on bit-torrent and limewire then Macca is unlikely to be out on the streets through lost revenue.

      You have to realise that the album would be ripped and lobbed on bit-torrent even if released with the most perfect DRM known to-date. And once it is there, it does not really matter if one person ripped it or five thousand people did. DRM can only delay the spread of the rip by few days, before the volume of copies rumps up.

    10. Re:Not quite your average artist by oojimaflib · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Despite the very real risk of being whooshed, I'll bite.

      You are supposed to make music because you like to do it, not as a full-time job.

      Stallman is that you? Are you serious?

      Artists don't have a right to make money from their art, it just happened to work well.

      WTF? So Michaelangelo should have done the Sistine Chapel for free? Da Vinci shouldn't have taken that commission for the Mona Lisa? Mozart should never have taken that court job or done those popular operas?

      Being fair to the GP post, I think you are perhaps reading a little more into it than is there... It's fair enough to say that artists don't have a right to make money from their art. They don't have this right now, and never have had it. The fact is, if the art is good, people will pay for it. If not, they won't. Copyright is neither here nor there. Indeed I'm not sure that any of the examples you cite enjoyed any significant copyright protection on their work.

      The multi-millionaires rock stars didn't exist before the invention of disc records and probably won't exist after that. Go and have a look at some of the musicians, opera singers, composers and the like (who didn't drink it all away) from previous centuries and realise what a piece of muppetry you are saying.

      Quite.

    11. Re:Not quite your average artist by six025 · · Score: 1

      *cough*

      Any software developer who would be on the streets through lost revenue in his/her sale and fears it should simply not be trying to earn a living through computer programming.

      You are supposed to write software because you like to do it, not as a full-time job. The multi-millionaires developers didn't exist before the invention of home computers and probably won't exist after that. That was more of an accident. Software devs don't have a right to make money from their software, it just happened to work well. I don't have the right to use their apps for free, it just happens to work well.

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    12. Re:Not quite your average artist by Chrisje · · Score: 1

      Not quite so. This "muppetry" is quite true. Sadly or not, that is a debate.

      - Mozart died relatively poor, in the middle of his Requiem.
      - Van Gogh shot 'mself in the chest, poor as a church rat.
      - Rembrandt didn't get paid for painting the Nightwatch because it was "too realistic".

      The world is riddled with Artists who are poor during some stage of their lives. Some may gain recognition in life, some may gain it posthumously, some may never gain recognition. It is not your "right" to get paid for being an artist, just like it's not everyone's "right" to become a billionaire.

      You need to make it happen and most of all you need to be lucky.

      Don't get me wrong. I didn't download the Radiohead album. I store bought the disc because I am a fan and a consumer of music, books and many things. And I like buying physical media. So I'm not at all against paying for a product that works for me. But the record labels, the DRM factories and the various groups that infringe on my fair use of what I buy I do see as despicable. So I can understand where the author of the previous post is coming from.

      An artist, if (s)he produces great works of art, would deserve to earn a good living on that. But it's never their "right", because that would turn it into my "duty".

    13. Re:Not quite your average artist by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      Any entrepeneur who would be on the streets through lost revenue in his/her sale and fears it should simply not be trying to earn a living through his or her own business

      No matter what you do, people might all of the sudden stop wanting to do business with your kind. Being given an hourly wage by your boss might shield you from the reality, but reality it is none the less.

      Should we all stop working? ;)

    14. Re:Not quite your average artist by codeButcher · · Score: 2, Informative

      Janis Ian claimed quite the opposite in an article from all the way back in 2002: It's the "biggest selling artists", if anyone, who are to be concerned about sharing - the "average" band/artist hardly receives money from their label but gets a lot more exposure (and thus income) from shared music.

      Then again, that is more-or-less also the argument behind the existence of the Baen Free Library in the first place, where this article is hosted. Go check it out if you like SF.

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    15. Re:Not quite your average artist by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 0, Troll

      You are supposed to make music because you like to do it, not as a full-time job.

      Stallman is that you? Are you serious?

      Are you an asshole? Are you serious?

      Stallman wrote: "Some people write useful software for the pleasure of writing it or for admiration and love; but if we want more software than those people write, we need to raise funds."

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    16. Re:Not quite your average artist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kudos indeed, but this isn't just a random artist choosing DRM this is the bloke from the Beatles who co-wrote the first hit for the Rolling Stones and the Frog Chorus.

      Jonathan Coulton does this is well, and he is hardly a "big guy" (he's the guy who wrote code monkey)

      JoCo's website

    17. Re:Not quite your average artist by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1
      Maybe I didn't phrase that correctly. Artists have the right to make money from their work, they just are not entitled to enforce a way of making money this way. They don't have the right to prevent an evolution that will bring change to the way people enjoy music. And it just happens that today, they can't force people to buy disc in order to enjoy their music

      I still believe that being an artist is not a job. The job you are looking for is entertainer. Creating art is a different piece of work that won't have you making something of value every month. Feel free to fill this with an entertainer job but this job changes a lot with time and a big part of it is adaptation to the changes.

      About the rock stars : their particularity is that, unlike an opera diva, or a virtuoso violinist, they have a very big audience. Their money is (was ?) made through record sales. Given an international success, one (studio) performance could lead to a huge monetary return. That is the accident. That is the passing fad and that is what **AA are fighting to preserve. I still believe that the fortune of the most wealthy modern singers are without historical precedents. According to a quick Google Search, Michael Jackson would have close to a billion dollars of assets, Madonna would have even more than that, according to another source. There have been rich artists in the past, but not at this scale.

      I don't have a right to my neighbours car... and you know what I won't be taking it for a joy ride no matter how well it would work for me.

      That is a good example. By going for a ride you would make the car unavailable, maybe break it, use fuel, etc... When listening to someone's songs, well, we are talking about is something like hurting your neighbor by reading his car's number (but then, again, the car analogies only go so far)

      And if we are to continue this conversation please refrain on the name calling.

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    18. Re:Not quite your average artist by PHPfanboy · · Score: 1

      I think that the vast majority of people don't care what you personally believe should be the yardstick of what is or is not "right".

      No jobs are set in stone, neither because you or anyone else says so. Only what we collectively (the market) vote so with our money. That rockstars are a passing fad is a nice proposition. You can say the same about blacksmiths, buggy whip manufacturers, and hopefully pretty soon, sys admins.

      Bottom line: we does what we does to get by. If other people are prepared to throw money that helps. Evil as they are, the RIAA does not force you to buy music. They force you to buy music if you want to listen to it on your own systems at your own leisure. You can choose no music.

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    19. Re:Not quite your average artist by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      What seems to be missing from your post and the previous you replied to, is that all the previous "grand masters" worked to commission. ie. they were paid to produce a work for the commissioner. That is not true of the current situation, where artists are paid to produce work for organisations whose sole purpose in commissioning the work is in order to re-sell it at a profit. Therefore they over-produce and complain when the consumers don't consume.

      If I paid for an artist to write a song then I would be foolish if I didn't listen to it. If the artist produces a song ahead of time, then complains because no-one wants to listen to it then the artist is the fool. No, you can't draw a direct parallel to the "music business" of the last 40 years, but that's where the whole analogy falls down. Michaelangelo didn't have a 'human' right to make money by painting the Sistine Chapel, but he did have a commission (a contract) which promised him payment in exchange. If he had just turned up and done the work before the agreement then he would have been pretty stupid.

      In short, get the money or contract sorted out before you work. Then no-one gets between you and payment. Mass produced art is the same as mass produced anything. You are putting the cart before the horse, by claiming that you are owed money for work that no-one asked you to produce. The music "industry" have placed themselves in the position of supermarkets. They don't produce anything, they take the risk of buying from a producer then hope they can generate a market for that stock. Whoops, misjudged the market, gotta eat those losses. Nothing to do with art whatsoever.

    20. Re:Not quite your average artist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's not for you to decide what musicians are supposed to do. Musicians have the right to make money for the WORK they have put into writing and creating their stuff. Composing, recording and production doesn't just happen. Alot of work goes into every album that is made and quite often that work has overheads. Things you might have to pay for include:

      -Instruments
      -Studio Recording time
      -Electricity to practice
      -Sometimes you need to rent somewhere to practice
      -Post recording production costs
      -Site hosting if you have your own website
      -Time
      -Travel expenses for musicians
      -Website development if you have your own site. Not every musician is a web developer.

      If you're going to put all that effort into promoting an album then by gosh you want to at least make something from it!

      To say people just make music because they like it is undervaluing the amount of work, time and money that goes into quality music production.

      Sure that millionaire can afford to do this most ordinary musicians cant.

    21. Re:Not quite your average artist by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      I honestly can't see how DRM has any material effect on album profit either way, because:

      1) DRM is absolutely no barrier to it hitting P2P within seconds of its release.
      2) For every raving Freeeeeeeeeeeedom loving nerd who withholds their money in outraged pique, there's ten thousand purchasing goobers who couldn't even spell DRM if you gifted them the D and R and hummed "Mmmmm" at them.

      There may be an effect on overall earnings, in that giving it away might build goodwill for concert and moichandising sales, but it's intangible and largely a tenet of belief, like the Tooth Fairy or man friendly lesbians.

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    22. Re:Not quite your average artist by onecheapgeek · · Score: 1

      "Maybe I didn't phrase that correctly. Artists have the right to make money from their work, they just are not entitled to enforce a way of making money this way. They don't have the right to prevent an evolution that will bring change to the way people enjoy music. And it just happens that today, they can't force people to buy disc in order to enjoy their music."

      I will agree that they don't have a right to force you to pay for their music, but you don't have a RIGHT to their music if you don't pay them (or an agent working on their behalf - as the big recording companies are by way of their personal services contracts) for it. That is the issue here.

      If you want to take a stand and not pay for music that is your prerogative and I can support that. What is harder to support is the ideal that you shouldn't have to support the creator of a work and still have full access to said work. If you don't want to pay for a Renoir, you are welcome to paint your own copy for your own enjoyment. If you don't want to pay for someone else's music, you are welcome to record it yourself and listen to your own recording.

    23. Re:Not quite your average artist by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      No jobs are set in stone, neither because you or anyone else says so. Only what we collectively (the market) vote so with our money. That rockstars are a passing fad is a nice proposition. You can say the same about blacksmiths, buggy whip manufacturers, and hopefully pretty soon, sys admins.

      In the XIXth century, in my country, button makers were organized as a powerful guild that controlled prices. A clever tailor invented a system that, only with pieces of cloth, allows to close a shirt without buttons. Button makers tried to lobby in order to forbid this. I see this as an anti-progressive stance (you are free to not call that 'evil' as I do)

      Agreed, sysadmin is a job that could disappear in the next few years (not sure it will happen, but well). I think it would be immoral for them to write buggy softwares and virus just so that they can stay in business.

      RIAA (or SACEM, in my case) does force a choice to me that neither I, nor the artist wants : they force me to buy music only packaged with a lot of fluff I don't need : physical supports, covers, DRMs, marketing, etc... My choice has effectively been between playing their game or not listening to music anymore. I don't know where in my post I gave the idea that I condoned pirating music, I condoned listening for music for free. It is not yet illegal and there are now more possibilities to do that: radio, webradio, deezer, last.fm, all do that fairly well. Why are they successful ? Because nowadays, people don't feel like paying for music.

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    24. Re:Not quite your average artist by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      If you want to take a stand and not pay for music that is your prerogative and I can support that. What is harder to support is the ideal that you shouldn't have to support the creator of a work and still have full access to said work. If you don't want to pay for a Renoir, you are welcome to paint your own copy for your own enjoyment. If you don't want to pay for someone else's music, you are welcome to record it yourself and listen to your own recording.

      I can agree with that. I would only add that I consider the Internet a public place and that once something is published there, it should be considered available for copy and modification. I am doing computer science. It is called "informatique" in French : science information. Copying, modifying, transmitting information is what it is made for. These operations are almost free. Information creation is the choking point, the valuable step. The current (or can we say "former" already ?) distribution system tries to cash out on the copy system. That is, IMHO, a big error for a sustainable system in today's world.

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    25. Re:Not quite your average artist by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 1

      bout the rock stars : their particularity is that, unlike an opera diva, or a virtuoso violinist, they have a very big audience. Their money is (was ?) made through record sales. Given an international success, one (studio) performance could lead to a huge monetary return. That is the accident. That is the passing fad and that is what **AA are fighting to preserve. I still believe that the fortune of the most wealthy modern singers are without historical precedents. According to a quick Google Search, Michael Jackson would have close to a billion dollars of assets, Madonna would have even more than that, according to another source. There have been rich artists in the past, but not at this scale.

      You are incorrect, sir. Successful artists (particularly those working with record labels) do not make the majority of their money through music sales. Rather, they tend to make more money through live performances, merchandising and (if they were actually able to maintain the rights to their songs as part of their contract(s)) licensing their recordings for commercial use.

      I still believe that being an artist is not a job. The job you are looking for is entertainer. Creating art is a different piece of work that won't have you making something of value every month

      You have a right to your beliefs, however not everyone shares those beliefs. While being an artist may be an unconventional means of employment, it is still a viable means of employment. I think you are trying to equate the "regularity" of a "conventional" job with validity. That is, you seem to postulate that because being an artist may generate income irregularly (i.e. not necessarily monthly) which seems kind of short sighted to me. Is this really any different than any job where a person works on commission only? There are plenty of sales people/real estate agents who go months without a paycheck. Do you feel differently about a writer? Writers often take months/years to write a book, and generally do not get paid until they go to press and start selling books, so does that make them less valid as "workers"?

    26. Re:Not quite your average artist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > WTF? So Michaelangelo should have done the Sistine Chapel for free?

      Did you just compared "Hit me baby one more time" to the Sistine Chapel? Prepare to be /dev/zero'ed...

    27. Re:Not quite your average artist by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Copyright plays a role. IT makes it difficult for other people to make money off my work without me granting them the right.
      IT doesn't mean I am guaranteed to make a buck, only that I have recourse when someone plagiarizes me.

      In that sense copyright helps me, and you, make money.

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    28. Re:Not quite your average artist by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "WTF? So Michaelangelo should have done the Sistine Chapel for free?"
      No, he shouldn't STILL be getting paid for it.

      You are comparing commissioned pieces, i.e. a contract, to something completly different, recorded music.

      Stop comparing physical item to copyright.

      "Go and have a look at some of the musicians, opera singers, composers and the like (who didn't drink it all away) from previous centuries and realise what a piece of muppetry you are saying."

      And they did it without copyright. They made money while other people were actively copying and selling their music.

      SO much for the need of copyright to make money, eh?

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    29. Re:Not quite your average artist by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      I just think it's funny how the *same* people who shout about how DRM will kill the music industry are also the first ones to put instructions online explaining how to rip the new DRM-FREE album without paying for it, just to help out the people who are too stupid to do even that.

      Slashdot alone is not "the same people" -- I frequently point out DRM as one of the reasons PC gaming is dying. However, when I see a decent game without too much DRM, I buy it. That's how I support DRM-free media.

      Uh -- let the stupid people buy the album.

      Security through obscurity -- not going to work well.

      What works better is making the legitimate music easier to purchase, download, and play than the pirated version -- in other words, actually give them a better product -- and making the price reasonable enough that it can actually compete.

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    30. Re:Not quite your average artist by Locklin · · Score: 1

      Wow. Way to freak on someone with a different opinion than you. You do know that copyright is not a fundamental right either way, but simply a pragmatic mechanism for encouraging work right? There are valid arguments for and against the usefulness of the mechanism, including the importance of the public's access to it's own culture, and the importance of encouraging the producers to make new culture. By being just as in-tolerant, you are as bad as the RIAA and commercial/career "pirates" who simply insult and condemn anyone with a different viewpoint.

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    31. Re:Not quite your average artist by BobNET · · Score: 1

      "I have no problem with bootlegs, although every time I say that, my lawyer says, 'Oh yes you do.'"
      -- Paul McCartney (unsourced)

    32. Re:Not quite your average artist by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Artists don't have a right to make money from their art, it just happened to work well.

      WTF? So Michaelangelo should have done the Sistine Chapel for free?

      There's actually a good point in there -- not that Michaelangelo should've done it for free, but that he didn't have the inherent right to be paid for it.

      Industry execs would like to convince us that this is like Michaelangelo painting the chapel, and then not being paid his commission. And I agree, that would be wrong, if he'd negotiated the price ahead of time.

      What is actually happening is more like Michaelangelo sculpting David, and then being unable to sell it -- and somehow making it the fault of people who didn't want to buy a giant sculpture of a naked man.

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    33. Re:Not quite your average artist by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Summary -- "I don't want to pay for anything."

    34. Re:Not quite your average artist by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      What works better is making the legitimate music easier to purchase, download, and play than the pirated version -- in other words, actually give them a better product -- and making the price reasonable enough that it can actually compete.

      I was with you right up until the end. How do you make a price that is competitive with "free"?

    35. Re:Not quite your average artist by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

      All the artists you mention had to work hard to earn a living.

      Copyright came to disturb this and now many people out there think that they can work once and then sit down to wait for the copyright derived money to rol for them and their distant descendants.

      If they keep extending copyright terms it may very well be that the last descendants to get paid copyrights from a relative may no longer be of the same species...

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    36. Re:Not quite your average artist by MarkvW · · Score: 1

      Parent's a troll and he landed you, hook, line, and sinker. I enjoyed your post, though.

    37. Re:Not quite your average artist by julienthjamminjabber · · Score: 1

      So Michaelangelo should have done the Sistine Chapel for free?

      The Sistine Chapel is more a piece of religious propaganda than a work of art so it makes since that he'd be a mere paid lackey.

      I have to agree with the parent, and further add that there are NO inborn inalienable rights whatsoever. Give me a scientific proof that there are. It's all hogwash.

      Musicians have the right to make money on their music only in so far as they have the ability to enforce payment. If they can forcibly keep it out of people's possession, then perhaps they can earn something from it. Although with the millions of options there are to get free music nowadays, it's going to be a tough market.

    38. Re:Not quite your average artist by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 1

      Yes, only an established artist such as Paul could afford the risk of going DRM free. You'd never see your average small time bands releasing their albums in an unencrypted, uncompressed, easily convertible format.

      Except... they do. It's called a CD.

    39. Re:Not quite your average artist by Fnordulicious · · Score: 1

      If the price is low enough, purchasing it may involve less effort than hunting for a torrent and waiting for it to download. Instant gratification is often worth more than "free".

      By analogy (no cars), suppose you have a kitchen full of food at home. But you are halfway across the city from your home, and when home you'd have to cook. Instead you might spend money at a vending machine or coffee shop to satisfy your hunger, despite there being free food for you at home. The instant gratification of purchasing food outweighs the effort required to enjoy your free food.

    40. Re:Not quite your average artist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep in mind this his Fireman project, not a "Paul McCartney" album. The Fireman is electronic music, and as a fan of the genre, I can say it has always been horrible stuff. Giving this away is no big deal - there's probably some tax break he can take over this dreck.

    41. Re:Not quite your average artist by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      How do you make a price that is competitive with "free"?

      By also providing enough more value -- that people actually want -- which isn't available for free. And, in some cases, by actually making it free.

      It is possible, in absolute terms, to provide a service which saves enough of your customers' time (versus the free alternative) for it to be worth the price. Even if this is not the case, it may be worth the money for the convenience.

      And that assumes that the products are identical. There are ways, even with music, to make the legitimate version of a product more desirable than a pirated version.

      And yes, it is possible to make money by giving the product away entirely. How do you think Pandora makes money?

      Let me rephrase it: Microsoft and Apple both seem to have found a price that is competitive with "free". I've paid for Windows to dual-boot on this machine, because I want to play games which are not available for Linux, and don't necessarily work under Wine.

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    42. Re:Not quite your average artist by Abreu · · Score: 1

      In the XIXth century, in my country, button makers were organized as a powerful guild that controlled prices. A clever tailor invented a system that, only with pieces of cloth, allows to close a shirt without buttons. Button makers tried to lobby in order to forbid this. I see this as an anti-progressive stance (you are free to not call that 'evil' as I do)

      I have heard that story a couple of times... do you have any citations for it? I would like to research it a little bit more...

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    43. Re:Not quite your average artist by raind · · Score: 1

      I would have to agree, it's a great idea - and of course he can afford it, here I thought putting my band on mp3.com was cutting edge. But then that was long ago.

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  5. FLAC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    FLAC you say? Oh my...
    Get some Vorbis in there and we're set.
    This is an excellent step, hopefully more artists will start doing this.

    Also it's great to listen to the album first in a flash player. I remember when Slayer did this for their 'God Hates Us All Album', through that I didn't *have* to download a dodgy copy at all, just went out and bought it.

    1. Re:FLAC by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Come on man. Feel free to buy the FLAC and convert it to your preferred format. It's lossless compression, you can't ask for more.

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    2. Re:FLAC by Jamie's+Nightmare · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You could ask for Monkey's Audio, which not only compresses better than FLAC, but also features both a GUI and command line interface from the get go.

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    3. Re:FLAC by drcagn · · Score: 0

      Then just convert the FLAC to Monkey's Audio...

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    4. Re:FLAC by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      Monkey's Audio is abandonware, while FLAC still sees active support for Xiph.org.

    5. Re:FLAC by Jamie's+Nightmare · · Score: 1

      Irreverent. If the format provides a better, more useful solution for some, being in or out of current development makes it no less useful. FLAC being "in development" is a nice thing to brag about, but it's not everything. Based on Xiph's lethargic development of Vorbis, which sat idle for YEARS until it got help from people like aoTuV, support from them it's all it's cracked up to be.

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    6. Re:FLAC by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Monkey's Audio is already undergoing bit rot, and the legality of improving on existing decoders is dubious. Being in development does matter if you want to continue to enjoy the format on the devices of the future.

    7. Re:FLAC by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      My major gripe with FLAC is that iPods don't support this format (without major firmware modifications to the player). Given the huge marketshare of the portable music player market that Apple enjoys, I'm surprised there hasn't been a movement to start selling digital music files encoded in the Apple Lossless format or more higher bit rate AAC-encoded format files for legal download outside of Apple's iTunes Plus store.

    8. Re:FLAC by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Well, in defense, FLAC is a free codec which has free (beer+speech) plugins written for most media player/conversion software. While I agree that there's a downside to having to convert your incoming files (and the requisite problems in translating tags one for one), ALAC is IP encumbered and it generally not available as a free plugin for most media players/converters.

      Besides, I'm not aware of any iPod which can do a lossless file justice, from an audiophile perspective. You may as well run any lossless though a high bitrate AAC and save yourself 60%+ of the necessary lossless storage.

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    9. Re:FLAC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FLAC you say? Oh my...
      Get some Vorbis in there and we're set.

      WHOOOSH!

    10. Re:FLAC by maxume · · Score: 1

      It would be better if Apple added good support for FLAC<—>Apple Lossless to itunes, so that it didn't matter for people buying stuff from the itunes store, or for people buying from stores other than the itunes store.

      Apple's occasional fit of our-way-or-we-don't-give-a-shit makes it awful hard to want an ipod, despite the nice hardware.

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    11. Re:FLAC by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      There is a FLAC plugin for Quicktime, which means that someone sufficiently motivated could easily write a program that would convert FLAC to ALE or AAC, preserving metadata. I am not sufficiently motivated, since I have no FLAC music and my iPod broke years ago.

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    12. Re:FLAC by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Except Monkey's Audio is proprietary, last I checked.

      FLAC is free, and if you really care, you can convert it to Monkey's Audio. Since Monkey's Audio isn't free, you can't convert it to FLAC without running proprietary, Windows-only software -- which is one of the reasons for wanting a DRM-free format in the first place.

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    13. Re:FLAC by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      It doesn't really matter -- FLAC is both free and lossless. This means it's nobody's fault but Apple for not supporting it, but we don't have to care -- it's easy to convert between Flac and whatever else you want.

      Besides which, I believe Rockbox does support FLAC, so yes, "major firmware modifications" will let you play FLAC on an iPod.

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    14. Re:FLAC by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      That's not a gripe with the format, that's a gripe with your MP3 player.

  6. just for fun by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's count the number of posts that occur before the first complaint about "no ogg vorbis".

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    1. Re:just for fun by Shikaku · · Score: 4, Funny

      That would be 4.

    2. Re:just for fun by Shikaku · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you RTFS it has FLAC.

    3. Re:just for fun by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 4, Informative

      Weird, complaining 320 kbits is too much then asking for a lossless download..?

      Regardless, right there in the fucking summary it says they're offering FLAC as well as MP3 and Apple Lossless.

    4. Re:just for fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's count the number of posts that occur before the first complaint about "no ogg vorbis".

      I thought there was a bot for making that post? I mean there must be a couple of dozen for Linux there has to be one for ogg vorbis? Given time people will be freed from the time consuming hassle of posting as all standard post theme will be made in seconds.

    5. Re:just for fun by Freultwah · · Score: 2, Informative

      Monkey's Audio better than FLAC since when? Windows only, no portable support, more difficult to transcode, higher CPU usage at decode. Well, the latter is probably a non-issue, since there is no portable support whatsoever, but still.

    6. Re:just for fun by Paxtez · · Score: 1

      I want mine in binary. I want a text file ("firemen1.txt") of 1's and 0's that match the order of the pits from the CD, except the 1's are 0's, and 0's are 1's [I encrypt all my music... What you don't?]

      See, until they provide it in !CD-Binary@1BPC I'll just have to go torrent it because... oh wait... Flac is lossless, since I am a big enough geek to want my music in such an obsure format like !CD-Binary@1BPC I will certainly have the ability to convert it to the format.

      Nevermind.

    7. Re:just for fun by Jamie's+Nightmare · · Score: 1

      For me, always. Yes, it runs on Windows and probably works through Wine. A scarf isn't very useful in the desert, but that's life.

      Transcending is easy, and faster since you can both encode and decode multiple files at once. I moved close to 400 CDs to Monkey's Audio, FLAC was to cumbersome to consider.

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    8. Re:just for fun by Jamie's+Nightmare · · Score: 1

      Regardless, right there in the fucking summary it says they're offering FLAC as well as MP3 and Apple Lossless.

      Yeah, I missed that part of the summary. I wish I didn't ever make mistakes, but that's for being a good role model on my journey towards perfection. You're a real pal.

      And it's not weird at all. The idea of lossless compression is to make it more convenient to use on devices with limited storage. Lossless is useful when storing music on hard drives, less so on smaller consumer devices. If you intend to use a portable player with 2 gig of memory for example, 320kps is certainly overkill. If there was a huge difference in quality past 192, you could argue that 320 is warranted, but testing has shown it is not. 320 is simply used because it's "as high as it will go" and is more in line with the "bigger is better" mentality.

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    9. Re:just for fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Weird, complaining 320 kbits is too much then asking for a lossless download..?

      Not really. The advantage of FLAC, or the CD is that you can encode it to MP3, OGG, etc, at any bitrate, without needing to re-encode. Re-encoding from one bitrate to another, or from MP3 to OGG hurts the quality much more than encoding just once (from a lossless source).

      When you have the FLAC, you have any format you want.

    10. Re:just for fun by elthicko · · Score: 1

      Were you asking for lossless when they offered a 320 kps mp3 because of space considerations? I'll assume you were being sarcastic.

      I think the idea is it's a lot easier to compress your audio to whatever you need it to be than to go the other way. This way by offering high quality downloads, you have the choice of keeping the larger, higher quality file, or downgrading it yourself to a smaller file.

    11. Re:just for fun by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      Problem is, Ogg Vorbis is not a format you can play on the familiar brands of portable music players out there (Apple, Creative, Microsoft, Samsung and Sony). You could modify a player to do it, but that's something the vast majority of users are not wanting to do.

      I do think we will start seeing a movement towards more AAC-encoded files, given 1) Apple owns the majority share of portable music player usage and sales and 2) most of the newer non-Apple players are now starting to support non-DRM'd AAC-encoded files.

    12. Re:just for fun by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      I play Ogg Vorbis on my Samsung all the time thanks to RockBox. Why let the crappy software your music player comes with determine what you can or cannot do?

      And as for complaining about not having Ogg: if you cannot convert from FLAC to Ogg, you should go straight to Nerd Jail, do not pass GOTO, do not collect 200 zorkmids.

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    13. Re:just for fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A scarf is very useful in the desert. Pick a white one and it reflects a lot of heat, as well as reducing sunburn.

    14. Re:just for fun by GRW · · Score: 2, Informative

      My Cowon iAudio 7 plays Ogg Vorbis and FLAC just fine.

    15. Re:just for fun by creepynut · · Score: 1

      I believe the word you're looking for is "transcode" not "re-encode"

      You are most definitely re-encoding the file if you convert it from FLAC to MP3 or any other format. It was encoded once to FLAC, and it is being encoded again to MP3. The difference is you aren't transcoding from one lossless format to another, so you don't lose any more quality than you would if you ripped it from a the CD.

    16. Re:just for fun by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      I play Ogg Vorbis on my Samsung all the time thanks to RockBox [rockbox.org].

      While that sounds like a good idea I'm not sure if most end users want to upgrade their firmware to do this--it's potentially dangerous and could result in a non-functional player if you don't upgrade properly. :-(

      Remember, we want to keep things as simple as possible, and doing third-party upgrades can sometimes cause more problems than necessary.

    17. Re:just for fun by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      Yes, but try to find a Cowon player in a "brick and mortar" retail store--not so easy! :-( Meanwhile, you can find Apple, Creative, Samsung, Sandisk and Sony players almost everywhere.

    18. Re:just for fun by GRW · · Score: 1

      I bought mine at Canada Computers, a 15 store chain in southern Ontario. It wasn't hard at all. I knew what I wanted to buy. The Cowon site listed authorized retailers. http://flac.sourceforge.net/links.html#hardware lists a large number of devices that support FLAC. http://wiki.xiph.org/VorbisHardware lists devices that support Ogg Vorbis.

    19. Re:just for fun by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      If you're nerdy enough to even know what Ogg Vorbis is, leave alone actively use it, then using 3rd party software is likely to be something you'd be very comfortable with.

      Let's face it, the manufacturers don't give a damn about anything outside the very narrow confines of the functionality understandable by the Great Common Denominator (and they often fail miserably at even that). If you want something better, you're going to have to take matters into your own hands. Be thankful you still can. If companies like Microsoft, Apple, and **AA members could have their way, this kind of thing would be illegal, assuming it were even possible.

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    20. Re:just for fun by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Transcending is easy, and faster since you can both encode and decode multiple files at once.

      How does FLAC not allow you to do this?

      In fact, it does -- I've actually written a script which ran about three processes simultaneously converting from FLAC to AAC, and again from FLAC to MP3.

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    21. Re:just for fun by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Of course, if you're using GOTO, you should also go straight to jail.

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    22. Re:just for fun by Xtifr · · Score: 1

      Try to find a Samsung player that doesn't support Vorbis. Go on, I dare you. For that matter, try to find any major Asian manufacturer's player (except Sony--a special case) that doesn't support Vorbis. For that matter, try finding a commodity decoder chipset with multiple format support that doesn't support Vorbis. Good luck with that.

    23. Re:just for fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow! I thought ogg users were a bit crazy supporting a codec with little device support, but you've made them seem so much saner all of a sudden. a windows only codec that nobody's ever heard of and will NEVER be supported by portable devices? where do I sign up?

    24. Re:just for fun by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      The only problem with FLAC and Ogg Vorbis is that they're formats that only advanced computer users are familiar with, and are NOT supported by the most popular brands of portable music players from Apple, Creative and Microsoft without a potentially dangerous firmware upgrade. It's small wonder why MP3 format is still around, since practically every player out there can read MP3 files.

      At least for a "commercial" format, AAC could become more popular as a lot of newer non-Apple portable musics players now support AAC "out of the box."

    25. Re:just for fun by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      Problem is, to encode music in .OGG format requires a third party program, which means you have to download and install a new program just for this purpose. And you still have the issue of many of your friends being unable to play back the files on their player, too.

      At least with .WMA format most non-Apple portable music players support this format, and AAC files are supported by almost every iPod out there (and increasingly more non-Apple portable music players, too).

    26. Re:just for fun by GRW · · Score: 1

      The same programs that encode in MP3 from CD also does OGG Vorbis and FLAC. Any popular Linux distribution comes with several. I would expect my friends to investigate the market and compare player features before buying and then get one that plays the most codecs, just like I did.

    27. Re:just for fun by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      That would be true if your friends are technically savvy, but the vast majority of portable music player users are NOT in that category, which means if you start encoding music in .OGG format those users are sadly out of luck. In short, if you want music that everybody can put on their portable music players you have to go with either MP3 or WMA format, and to a slightly lesser extent AAC format.

  7. Next Abbey Road by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    How righteous of him. Surely next album to be released is Abbey Road.

    Or not. Because he doesn't own the rights -Mike probably does. Or because even since 1969 it still is a cash cow.

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    1. Re:Next Abbey Road by StrahdVZ · · Score: 1

      Or more likely, Yoko won't allow it.

  8. No news here by drinkonlyscotch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And Radiohead did it a year ago. If anything, it's disappointed it hasn't caught on than anything else.

    1. Re:No news here by ghighi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually Nine Inch Nails' Trent Reznor played with the idea quite a lot.
      He released Saul Williams' album, which he produced, under a "pay what you think is fair" scheme.
      His conceptual album 'Ghost' was released 100% digitally & DRM free with the first (out of 4) CD freely distributed.
      His last album "The Slip" is freely available for full download as a gift to the fan.
      Most of his track material is released under the Creative Common scheme for the fans to remix, and he built a comunity site to support these. For all I know, he created the sourceforge of Music.
      Nine Inch Nails is definetely a major band/artist too, and the first one of such importance to explore new way of distributing music.

    2. Re:No news here by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      His conceptual album 'Ghost' was released 100% digitally & DRM free with the first (out of 4) CD freely distributed.
      And the whole album was released under a creative commons license. So those of us who want the whole album for free can download it legally in flac form from TPB.

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    3. Re:No news here by x1n933k · · Score: 1
      Yeah, but at least I know who Radiohead is. Who the fuck is 'Sir Paul McCartney'? Is that the Beatles guy? Why should I buy his album anyway? George was the best one anyway...

      [J]

    4. Re:No news here by STrinity · · Score: 1

      More to the point, every artist on Amazon's MP3 store (which is most everyone now) is offering DRM free music, albeit at 256 VBR with no lossless option. How is it news when an artist does the same thing through his own website, unless he also does free/donation pricing a la Radiohead and NIN?

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  9. Just like Byrne and Eno by koavf · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Just like Byrne and Eno by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is good. Thanks.

  10. Free (as in beer) music by karstux · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anyone know good sources of legal free downloadable music? There's a lot of it out there, but sometimes hard to find. Here's what I've stumbled upon recently.

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    1. Re:Free (as in beer) music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      www.noisetrade.com

    2. Re:Free (as in beer) music by TheP4st · · Score: 1
      I've found a lot of good music on Jamendo

      On Jamendo artists allow anyone to download and share their music. It's free, legal and unlimited.

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    3. Re:Free (as in beer) music by RDW · · Score: 1

      CASH music has a nice setup. Creative Commons music (complete tracks, and some mix stems to play with), with open source site code:

      http://cashmusic.org/

      Mostly of interest to me for solo stuff by Kristin Hersh (of Throwing Muses), but there are now half a dozen other artists to check out.

    4. Re:Free (as in beer) music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      * goa-project.com
      (there's some further links there)

    5. Re:Free (as in beer) music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try the 50,000++ CC-lisenced drm-free albums on:

          http://jamendo.org

      You can even search per liscence (if you want music you are allowed to remix). All of the music may be redistributed.

    6. Re:Free (as in beer) music by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

      Overclocked Remix for all your videogame remix needs.

      Triple J archives, and new music for mp3 downloads, plus plenty more streaming goodness available on the site.

    7. Re:Free (as in beer) music by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Seconded. There's a few artists on there that are were good enough to make me stop what I was doing and listen ... soemthing quite rare these days. I remember Ruth Theodore being one of the more unusual ones.

    8. Re:Free (as in beer) music by Kooonsty · · Score: 1

      Harvey Danger (Flagpole Sitta) released their album for a free download back in 2005. http://www.harveydanger.com/downloads/

    9. Re:Free (as in beer) music by JustinOpinion · · Score: 1

      Anyone know good sources of legal free downloadable music?

      The best "one stop shop" for legally downloadable music (everything Creative Commons licensed) is Jamendo. 14,000 albums covering just about every genre I can think of, all free to grab. The Jamendo site has a decent interface for tracking favorites, getting recommendations, and so forth. Overall the quality is quite high. Many bands accept donations, but they never nag you about it.

      Another to look into is Magnatune. It's not free--but all the albums can be previewed on the site (flash player), and are licensed under Creative Commons. You can buy albums with a "pay what you want" system (there is a minimum amount, $5/album or something), and can thereafter share these downloads with friends. They recently introduced a "all you can eat" option, where with a monthly fee you can download as much music as you want (again, you set the price; I think the minimum is $10/month). All the music is DRM free, your choice of format, no hassles. Unlike Jamendo, Magnatune albums are selected and vetted; the overall quality of music is very high.

      With these excellent sources of high-quality music (in terms of both musical aesthetics and encoding), in totally unencumbered formats, available free (or at very reasonable cost), I have a really hard time understanding why people still buy "big name" music. I guess marketing really works. In which case, we really need to spread the word about the availability of Creative Commons music.

    10. Re:Free (as in beer) music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://bt.etree.org/

      Free live music from trade friendly artists.

    11. Re:Free (as in beer) music by kurtmckee · · Score: 1

      The Fireman Music's website is actually hosting downloads of their music in Flash video files; you can download them from here:

      The Fireman Music download section

    12. Re:Free (as in beer) music by ChrisA90278 · · Score: 1

      http://pianosociety.com/

      piano society has a LOT of classical music. All free as in beer and much of it free as in "freedom". It's all pretty good quality some from new world class performers and some from university orchestras and the like. They have enough material that it's a good site it you want to learn about a more obscure composer.

      They do ask for donations and offer CDs for sale to support the site.

      Oh, and one more huge source of free music -- The public library. My local library has a large selection ad will do an inter-library loan to get me a CD they don't have.

    13. Re:Free (as in beer) music by rilister · · Score: 1

      To add to this list, I found this a well-edited list of notable legal free music downloads, with a great variety from Butthole Surfers to Beethoven:

      http://freealbums.blogsome.com/album-directory-a-z

      enjoy!

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    14. Re:Free (as in beer) music by Briareos · · Score: 1

      Thinner.cc
      Sutemos.net

      np: Kuchen Meets Mapstation - Primary (Kuchen Meets Mapstation)

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      "I'm not anti-anything, I'm anti-everything, it fits better." - Sole

  11. Finally! by tryfan · · Score: 2, Funny

    A McCartney album that's actually worth the money!

    1. Re:Finally! by johnny+cashed · · Score: 1

      Can we pay McCartney in exchange for not producing anymore music? Ever?

  12. Malware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looking at that website and reports on some others that program seems like a bunch of malware to me.

    http://blog.gilluminate.com/2007/01/27/how-to-download-super-from-erightsoft/
    http://blog.monkeyless.com/2006/07/16/erightsofts-super-video-converter-looks-safe/

  13. Why he "gets it"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Because he's made hundreds of millions of dollars using the old system now it's painlessly easy for him to be relaxed and enlightened denouncing the system that gave him the lavish lifestyle he now enjoys.

  14. FCC versus McCartney? by macraig · · Score: 1

    Perhaps FCC Commissioner Taylor Tate will make it her personal project to ban his DRM-free album as unfair competition?

  15. Liquid Sound Design by six025 · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is good news, even if it's another major artist, rather than the whole record industry!

    The producer that is the other half of the project - Martin Glover a.k.a. Youth is well known in music production circles.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Glover

    His side projects Dragonfly Records and Liquid Sound Design lean towards the more psychedelic aspects of trance and dub. The liquid dub styles promoted through Liquid Sound Design in particular are releases that are well worth a listen and feature some really stunning production values.

    http://www.liquidsounddesign.com/index2.htm

    It's the kind of music you generally won't hear anywhere else ... try it! :)

    Peace,
    Andy.

  16. torrent? rapidshare? megaupload? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How big is it again? I gotz to no!

  17. Easy once you have made your millions... by nicc777 · · Score: 1

    I don't think this is so great... He has made his money. What we need is for the rest of the musicians to follow the example - now that will make a difference.

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  18. Great, if only by mmu_man · · Score: 1

    he didn't use flash for the preview... It's a defacto DRM for those who don't have the plugin (yes there still are!) :-( Appart this it's a nice move, regardless if I ever buy it :-)

    1. Re:Great, if only by mmu_man · · Score: 1

      Seems the video clips on the website are also in flash :-(

    2. Re:Great, if only by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

      Well, seeing as you can get the flash plugin for Windows, Mac and Linux really it's not all that bad, there will be very few who cannot access it.

    3. Re:Great, if only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you're on BSD 64bit or whatever, but on more mainstream platforms you can extract the flv files using Flash Get on Firefox and then use ffmpeg to extract the non-drmed MP3s inside each flv. So I don't know if that solves your issue or makes you feel better in any way, but that's pretty non-DRM and free, at least for Flash.

    4. Re:Great, if only by Prien715 · · Score: 1

      You'd prefer...silverlight?

      Seriously, there's no "free" alternative. He did a great job considering you can preview it in Windows/Mac and Linux. The only other thing he could do is stream an mp3, but that's more easy to capture and you couldn't do controls embedded into the site itself.

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    5. Re:Great, if only by mmu_man · · Score: 1

      No, I use BeOS (until Haiku is ready) and I'm used to keepvid.com and other hacks, then VLC to play the flv, but that's still not how it's supposed to be.

    6. Re:Great, if only by mmu_man · · Score: 1

      Well I'm part of the "few" that must suffer the disregard from the careless majority, so from my point of view it is bad.

    7. Re:Great, if only by mmu_man · · Score: 1

      Lol, sure, the website for the first french public channel (france2) also wants you to install this crap... at least it doesn't require it (but still uses wmv and other stupidities).

      Yes there are alternatives. The embed, object and video (html5) tags are meant for this, when used with a standard (read: documented, royalty free) format. That's how people did it for years before, just with closed formats, and it usually worked. Of course it meant people had to install a player plugin... so do they need for flash! The difference is, when it's done correctly (which isn't always the case), the tag doesn't refer to a specific plugin but to the mimetype of the file format, allowing any supporting player to use it. If you have realplayer it uses realplayer. If you have WiMP it uses WiMP.
      The fact it's easier to capture is moot, security through obscurity has no standpoint. And yes, you do can put custom controls for players, the embed tag (or the object one at least) allows specifying it a 2nd time for the control buttons and use ugly ones instead if you want, and use JS+DOM to bind them.
      There is also Java. It's totally possible to make a java player instead. It wouldn't help me on BeOS/Haiku because we're still at our nth attempt at porting it (this time officially at OpenJDK), but at least it would use a Free platform. (no, java isn't that slow, bad code is.)

  19. Does he really get it ... by Aceticon · · Score: 1

    I vaguely remember that he was one to the people consistently pushing for extensions to copyright length here in the UK.

    Note how here in the UK copyright is now Life + 70 years ...

    In my opinion, his choice for DRM free formats is a natural followup to the same considerations that lead Recording Companies to go ahead and support the new Amazon music store which sells DRM free music in MP3 format: they were scared shitless that Apple was becoming the Microsoft of the Digital Music Distribution world and thus the de facto gatekeeper for the future of music distribution.

    That and he can afford it, seeing that he's gonna keep getting payed for the rest of his life for his 6 months of light work in 1966 and all little pieces here and there of followup work ...

    1. Re:Does he really get it ... by pimpimpim · · Score: 2, Funny

      Probably he realized that he'd loose most of any profit made at the next divorce anyway.

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    2. Re:Does he really get it ... by Weedlekin · · Score: 1

      "I vaguely remember that he was one to the people consistently pushing for extensions to copyright length here in the UK." Copyright extensions for recordings, not all copyrights. "Note how here in the UK copyright is now Life + 70 years ..." Recordings have a 50 year copyright. The life+70 bit comes from the Berne Convention, to which the UK is a signatory, but the Berne Convention doesn't cover recorded works, so their copyright period is set by individual countries.

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    3. Re:Does he really get it ... by Toffins · · Score: 1

      "payed for the rest of his life for his 6 months of light work in 1966"

      Sorry to reply if you are trolling, but I think you'll find from any reliable biography that he and the rest of the group actually did a lot more than what you so dismissively describe as "light work" before, in, and after, 1966.

  20. Re:torrent? rapidshare? megaupload? by Barny · · Score: 1

    I know parent is fishing for lols, but how long before steam (valve) get their arse into gear and start offering music?

    Could easily build into the steam overlay to control a media player, combine each games soundtrack into your playlist, allowing you to listen to whatever while you play :)

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  21. 1.6 billion reasons why.... by Computershack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Paul McCartney has an estimated worth of $1.6 Billion so it's not as if he's going to be affected by people pirating it so is far better placed than up and coming groups to be able to afford to take the hit.

    $1.6 Billion in the bank allows you to be able to afford to have altruistic ideas.

    However, the vast majority of musicians aren't in such a position so need the sales.

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    1. Re:1.6 billion reasons why.... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You have no idea how business people think, give it up.

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    2. Re:1.6 billion reasons why.... by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 1

      Yeah but most musicians have been releasing their music on CD's and Tapes for a long time and both formats are easily copied... and guess what... most of those bands still made money. Some of them became ridiculously rich.

      Just because you can copy it, doesnt mean it wont sell. Now i know, most people would probably think to DL it these days but... what if... it were possible to actually turn a good profit selling your music this way?

      Paul may have lots of money, and it certainly allows him to perform this experiment, but so what... He's doing it. Lets see what happens.

      I'm not so sure that people are that quick to just steal and rape everything. This is an evolutionary process of distribution. Itunes is a succesfull progression but it will also need to change to fit the future. We are all finding out just how this whole net thing works, and yet, if everyone is going to pirate, steal and rape todays material, it does not mean in the future we will do the same when giving the choice.

      We're still adjusting to the idea of the "digital buffet", where libraries of music are at our fingertips. Where discovering new artists is a download away on some forum.

      We got shot out of a cannon into this new world and we're figuring it all out still. I think we'll sort it out in time, once we realize that the buffet isnt going to close, and we have access to the buffet all the time and what that means to all of us. Right now we're all shit happy we can get an album without waiting in line at some shitty electronics store. That alone is worth illegally downloading a CD... but it may also be enough to legally download it and not pirate it. We're going to find that out in time.

      Paul is testing the waters... because its in all of our interest to evolve and figure this stuff out. Its far better to approach it with "good for mankind" mentality than a "lets lock this shit down and control and legislate freedom for profit" mentality.

  22. I don't need to steenking subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too bad anybody but John Lennon's and late Beatles from related groups music sucks shit.

  23. Flac rocks by onceuponatime · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The only reason I didn't download other drm free ones in the past was the lack of flac or ogg. Flac is best of course, as it's just like buying the album for real. Using one price for the globe is also cool. I never expected it to come from Paul McCartney though considering comments from him in the past. I've never downloaded an album illegally in my life, but then I've never bought an album via a download either till now when finally someone makes flac available. To be honest though, I'm mainly doing it out of principle to support good sense finally. I'd like to see Madonna's albums like this, I wouldn't have to all the way to the shops :-)

    1. Re:Flac rocks by MtViewGuy · · Score: 0

      While FLAC sounds like a good idea there's one big problem: only a very small number of portable music players out there support the FLAC format, and converting FLAC format files to another format could result in substantial sound quality loss.

      Given Apple's commanding market share for portable music players, I'm surprised there hasn't been more music released in the Apple Lossless format.

    2. Re:Flac rocks by onceuponatime · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Flac *is* lossless. I have no intention of loading that into any players, merely it's a good lossless source that allows me to record to whatever format I wish to play in, namely ogg. Suggesting a proprietory format as an alternative really is not the way forward :-) I thought everyone here wanted out of proprietory formats.

    3. Re:Flac rocks by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      converting FLAC format files to another format could result in substantial sound quality loss.
      No more that converting from the original uncompressed music to the format you want.

      Which is kind of the point, the best format/bitrate combination for a portable player will vary with the player you own. So best to have a lossless copy as the source so you can get to the format/bitrate you want for your current portable player with a mimumum of loss.

      Given Apple's commanding market share for portable music players, I'm surprised there hasn't been more music released in the Apple Lossless format.
      I guess they think lossless will mainly appeal to geeks who will be using software other than itunes and/or will have the relavent tools to covert between lossless formats.

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    4. Re:Flac rocks by MtViewGuy · · Score: 0

      While FLAC is a true lossless format, I kind of don't like the idea of doing a transcode to another compression format because of the potential of substantial sound quality loss if the transcoding isn't done properly. :-( The transcoding process is one that the vast majority of computer users out there aren't going to do, either.

    5. Re:Flac rocks by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      The problem with FLAC conversion is that most computer users don't want to waste the time download the appropriate program and then configure the program to do a proper conversion. They like to do things as simple as possible, not go through the whole rigmarole of the conversion process.

    6. Re:Flac rocks by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Which is why almost everywhere that offers flac also offers mp3 downloads as well for those who can't be bothered to do the encoding themselves in thier preffered format/bitrate.

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    7. Re:Flac rocks by xtracto · · Score: 2, Informative

      I kind of don't like the idea of doing a transcode to another compression format because of the potential of substantial sound quality loss if the transcoding isn't done properly. :-(

      OMG... there should be a "Lossless compression for dummies" and you should deffinitely read it.

      FLAC compression is similar to ZIP, RAR, GZ, etc compression in that the files you get contain the same information (e.g. music) as the ISO (if ripped from a CD) or the source from where it was compressed.

      "Transcoding" from FLAC to say, OGG Vorbis is the same as compressing from the raw WAV (or ISO image if you like) to your favorite vorbis quality. Therefore there is absolutely no quality loss, by definition.

      So, "transcoding not done properly" is only a matter of the encoder you use (Lame, xyph.org, aotuv, etc) and will give you the same quality as if encoding the same audio from an original CD.

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    8. Re:Flac rocks by Taibhsear · · Score: 1

      Seriously. It's about fucking time more artists started putting out flac downloads. I'm getting a little sick and tired of only being able to download mid to low level bitrate mp3s at full cd prices.

      Oh and fuck apple losses and mp4. If you've ever had the "joy" of trying to get them to play, transcode, or burn to a cd on a non-macOS you know why flac is such a godsend. Good compression, full lossless, open format, and supported by most programs.

    9. Re:Flac rocks by ChrisA90278 · · Score: 1

      "...and converting FLAC format files to another format could result in substantial sound quality loss."

      Absolutely NOT. When you convert from FLAC nothing is lost. It is bit for bit the same as directly ripping the CD.

      If you burn a CD from the FLAC file it will be identical to the CD version, not just sounding the same but "bit-for-bit" identical.

      Now of course if you convert the FLAC file to (say) MP3 or AAC then something is lost, that's the whole point of MP3: To loose the parts of the sound yur ears don't notice.

    10. Re:Flac rocks by Xtifr · · Score: 1

      But, but, if you do the transcoding without using gold-plated Monster record heads on your HD, surely the individual bits won't be as sharp or crisply defined!? I paid $2000 to get my HD upgraded to gold-plated record heads, and I know I can hear the difference! :)

    11. Re:Flac rocks by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 1

      Flac is an amazing format. Although due to Itunes, Iphones and Ipods, i've chosen to go with Apple Lossless. Proprietary for sure, but thanks to some genious hackers, we can convert between flac and apple lossless fairly effortlessly with DBpoweramp. So its not quite a "lock in" situation.

      The only problem with DBpoweramp is that it wont convert anything over 16bit 44hz to and from apple lossless.

      Apple Lossless does need to be "hacked" for the good of man kind. That or i just buy a more "freedom loving" phone/music player. Unfortunately i like my Iphone and my Ipod.... and i like Itunes, despite its shitty performance. IT has to be the worst peice of programming ever written. But it does have some nice features that I like that Windows Media Player, Winamp, Foobar etc lack.

      Although Foobar is pretty dam cool (Its too raw from a ui standpoint though)

      Anyways... FLAC does rock. Apple Lossless rocks as well. Hopefully more folks will Hack the shit out of Apple Lossless and make it easier to convert between the two formats. Currently you can, but with some limitations.

      Lossless music is where its at. I dont even use MP3 anymore as a portable format. I use AAC. Its a better format. I've ABX'd them and I can tell the different. AAC sounds better at lower bit rates, and has more range.

  24. Purchasing the album by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tried to purchase the album, I wanted the FLAC version. It prompts saying I don't have flash! I'm using FreeBSD. There is no flash for FreeBSD. Why flash is required for a purchase? I used to buy books from amazon and Addison Wesley over the net. They don't ask for flash. Sir, Paul McCartney, you have got a fool to design your website. You lose business.

  25. He has money, so what? by VertigoMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So he has a butt load of money. The fact is that he took the step and a lot of artists have been inspired by his music so perhaps they will be inspired by this move and follow his example. Does it really matter if he needs the money or not? Oh and it doesn't matter if you like his current work or The Beatles his name is very well known in the music industry. If more big name artists take steps like this then things just might start to change.

  26. Robert Fripp and Discipline Global Mobile by Freultwah · · Score: 1

    Discipline Global Mobile (see also King Crimson, Robert Fripp) has been offering their full catalogue in DRM-free MP3 and FLAC for ages now, and purchases also are downloadable via Bittorrent. There is some wicked stuff there, I can tell ya.

  27. The Very First Step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The very first step towards DRM-free

  28. Also on eMusic by 68kmac · · Score: 1

    It's also been on eMusic since November 24.

    1. Re:Also on eMusic by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is that eMusic should get their music from torrents?

  29. easy for the ultrawellknown authors... by Herve5 · · Score: 2, Informative

    When you have been famous for years, to the extend just your name is known to almost everybody, abandoning the classical publishers not only ie easy: it gives you MORE advertisement (e. g. a paper hree on /.)

    OTOH, when you are a completely unknown new band, then you must be courageous. I for one will be happy when there'll be a post here listing the last ten courageous little groups trying http://magnatune.com/ .

    And in case you were among the happy few knowing Magnatune, let's mention a foreign, minuscule one for classics mainly: Zig-Zag

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    1. Re:easy for the ultrawellknown authors... by El_Oscuro · · Score: 1

      I bought an album from them from Amarok, but they need more Metal!

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  30. Metallica did the same by g253 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When they released Death Magnetic, they put a flash player on their website so you can listen to the whole album to see if it's worth buying. You can still listen to it now : http://www.metallica.com/index.asp?item=601231

    I was very surprised at the time that nobody seemed to give a flying fuck, I thought it was a very interesting move, especially coming from Metallica... It was not even mentioned in online reviews ffs! I hardly saw any mention of that anywhere, and had to add it myself to the Wikipedia page (it was deleted instead of being expanded, natch).
    Really, I've no idea why, but nobody cared. At all. (Not even fans, before you say noone cares about Metallica period)

    This album sells extremely well, btw.

    1. Re:Metallica did the same by DrWatson333 · · Score: 1

      No one cared because it was an obvious marketing gimmick attempting to win back the fans they pissed off.

    2. Re:Metallica did the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's simple, really. Metallica burned all bridges quite some time ago. Thus, a lot of people don't give a flying fuck about what they decide to do, then, now or in the future. I know I don't. Apparently many others don't either.

      In short: It's too late for Metallica.

  31. Some thoughts by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

    A) Even post divorce he has a personal fortune of some GBP800m so he can afford to put out DRM free music
    B) Pretty much anything he's done since about 1972 has been crap (sorry, but really guys...)
    C) Except the Frog one

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  32. Big Deal... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

    Big freaking deal. We are back to 1982 - digital music without copy prevention - plus the internet. This is where we would have been over a decade ago if the MPAA hadn't taken the DRM detour.

    I guess the guy deserves some credit for not participating in the DRM clusterfuck, but he's still a decade behind where the industry would be if all the cocaine snorting suits running the business weren't a bunch of colossal idiots more intent on putting the internet genie back in the bottle instead of getting their proverbial three wishes and moving the industry into the modern era.

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    1. Re:Big Deal... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "Big freaking deal. We are back to 1982 - digital music without copy prevention - plus the internet. This is where we would have been over a decade ago if the MPAA hadn't taken the DRM detour."

      That is why DRM free release from a major name is a big deal. It's a big sign that we are on the down side of the DRM nightmare. Coming from a name this big, it will be recognized by the top people that make these decisions.

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    2. Re:Big Deal... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Amazon, Walmart and even Apple have been doing DRM free releases of a ton of albums for about a year now.

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  33. Well, in principle you COULD ask for more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I won't buy his new album unless it's provided in a better-than-lossless format. I insist that the album quality increases by a minimum of 15% with each generation of copying.

    I estimate that at that rate, I could start with the Wings album Wild Life, copy it 173 times and end up with Abbey Road.

  34. Vinyl as in ? by unity100 · · Score: 1

    they are printing a vinyl and sending it ?

  35. Good for him by rossdee · · Score: 1

    But selling music downloads 'DRM free' is not new. I haven't bought any physical CD's for a year or so. Nowdays I buy music from Amazon, they have a section for MP3 downloads (tracks and albums). Generally the albums are priced less than the CD counterparts, and you don't have to pay for shipping. (You also save a trip to the vets office)

    These mp3's are DRM free, I can just copy them to SD cards and put that in my mp3 playwr.

    There is a lot of talk here on slashdot about other digital formats (FLAC , OGG) but I have never seen a digital music player that supports those formats (only MP3 and WMA . The other formats may have better compression, but who cares when HD space is so cheap.

  36. Who the hell is Paul Macarty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yet another half-dollar rap "artist"?

  37. Is any of the money going to the RIAA? by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    I am guessing "no", but I'll ask just in case.

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  38. Absolutely by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry my mod points just ran out. With Flac it's almost trivial to transcode to any format you want, and you don't have to worry about losses. I ripped all of my CDs to FLAC, and made a "second" library using AAC for my ipod. I wish I could keep the two libraries sync'd, but for some reason media monkey won't do it (transcode failures, not the inability to sync to a folder). Still, it works well, and if I decide to switch formats in the future, I just transcode again.

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    1. Re:Absolutely by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      I wish I could keep the two libraries sync'd, but for some reason media monkey won't do it

      Odd. It should be pretty easy to write a script to keep two libraries like that in sync. I wonder if anyone's done that?

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    2. Re:Absolutely by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      It's not necessarily keeping the files in sync. Media monkey is supposed to be able to do it, but for some code reason I can't wrap my non-programmer mind around it appears that the program will run out of memory and silently exit a sync if it has to do too many different formats during the sync (FLAC, APE, and MP3, for example). I haven't quite figured out how that happens in a single threaded process with enough memory free to store two uncompressed versions of a file. After spending about 4 hours on the forum looking for answers I just gave up - it's either a known bug with very low priority or it's a quirk in my setup.

      Anyway, the file syncing isn't so bad, but it would be nice to sync playlists back and forth so if I built the playlists in Media Monkey, it could back-sync from either the playlists in iTunes or froma second instance of Media Monkey using the "compressed" library.

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    3. Re:Absolutely by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      for some code reason I can't wrap my non-programmer mind around it appears that the program will run out of memory and silently exit a sync if it has to do too many different formats during the sync (FLAC, APE, and MP3, for example).

      My programmer mind would say that there's no logical reason for that, either. It should not run out of memory, and it should not exit silently.

      Anyway, the file syncing isn't so bad, but it would be nice to sync playlists back and forth so if I built the playlists in Media Monkey, it could back-sync from either the playlists in iTunes

      I don't know much about those respective programs, but it's not terribly difficult to take a playlist in a simple text-based format -- m3u, say -- and do a quick search/replace to switch it from one library to another, assuming they have similar folder structures.

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  39. It's Sir Paul McCartney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Address the man properly for goodness sake!!! You peasants!!

  40. A perfect shopping experience by davide+marney · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just purchased the MP3 version. It is, as claimed, mpga 320K, DRM-free. In addition to the tracks, you get cover artwork and liner notes as jpgs.

    The range of purchase options is very interesting. $8.99 for MP3 files and artwork, $12.99 for a CD, $29.99 for a direct metal mastered double vinyl record, and $79.99 for a DVD containing 24bit 96Khz tracks, and a second DVD containing multi-track session files for a selection of the album tracks.

    The purchasing experience was flawless: create an account, give a credit card (with optional choice of saving the number or not; I chose not), get a zipfile of the downloads. Not a wasted keystroke or mouse click.

    This really is the way I want to purchase my music. Two big thumbs up from the consumer angle. Lots of choices, low prices, immediate downloads, supports the artists.

    The perfect shopping experience.

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    1. Re:A perfect shopping experience by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      In addition to the tracks, you get cover artwork and liner notes as jpgs.

      Only jpgs? Not good enough! I want full-resolution TIFFs (or better yet, PNGs) of all the artwork. I can't stand the smoothing and edge noise that appears when images get converted to jpg. It makes my eyes bleed.

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    2. Re:A perfect shopping experience by Justin+Hopewell · · Score: 1

      That would be preferable, but if JPEGs are converted at a high-enough quality you can still get a pretty nice picture with very minimal loss in quality.

    3. Re:A perfect shopping experience by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      No. That's unacceptable. Lossless or nothing!

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    4. Re:A perfect shopping experience by ChrisA90278 · · Score: 1

      "and a second DVD containing multi-track session files for a selection of the album tracks."

      Wow, this is perfect for someone like me who wants to learn how to mix music. It's hard to find first quality tracks. It would be fun to record some more tracks at home. I could do a re-mix where I get to play in Paul's band

      $80 sounds expansive but in terms of the number of hours of education and entertainment no.

  41. But where's the SSL? by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 1

    The site seems to be using some sort of Flash animation to process the payments and it's not on an SSL / HTTPS URL. At least, not in the usual sense. It says data is sent using SSL in the Flash animation itself, but there's no padlock in the browser, etc.. so no guarantee it really is using SSL.

    (For what it's worth, I ran netstat to check it is using SSL, and it appears to be. But does Joe Public know that when they're told to look out for the padlock icon?)

  42. Am I missing something? by nmg196 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Am I missing something? I've bought dozens of DRM free albums over the years. Nothing on Amazon MP3 or 7Digital.com has DRM as far as I'm aware, so how is this news? At first I thought the album was also FREE (price wise), but it's not - you have to pay for it, so I don't get why this is a story??

    1. Re:Am I missing something? by onceuponatime · · Score: 1

      Last time I looked on Amazon there was a different price for European users as for US users. Essentially, European users were not allowed to buy music from the US site and the European site was more expensive. In addition, I'm pretty sure flac was not an option. mp3 programs will not play out of the box on Linux and converting the song so that it does results in degradation. There's a big difference in the way this was launched in my opinion.

    2. Re:Am I missing something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paul's latest "Memory Almost Full" was released as DRM-free download on emusic and Amazon. I don't understand why this is news either.

  43. The Catch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately, it includes "Wonderful Christmastime".

  44. torrent links by petermgreen · · Score: 1

    since the albums are both released under a creative commons license that allows redistrbution here are some torrent links

    Ghosts: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4061815/Nine_Inch_Nails_-_Ghosts_I-IV_%5B2008_FLAC_Lossless%5D
    The slip: http://dl.nin.com/data/dl/Nine_Inch_Nails_-_The_Slip_-_Flac.torrent

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  45. Seriously?! by stokessd · · Score: 1

    He's still releasing albums?! I thought by now he'd be reduced to playing at the local Waffle House for the free coffee refills.

    Sheldon

  46. Well, what point are we arguing here? by hey! · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After all, most slashdotters are not anti-copyright. The industry position on DRM is based on confusing DRM with copyright and (ironically) compensating musicians.

    Acknowledging a sizable die hard "information wants to be free" contingent, I think the consensus position here is that artists should be able to make money with copyrighted but DRM free music, priced reasonably, and packaged for convenient purchase and use. True, that means the only the most efficient distributors make money, which is bad for some cherished institutions like the neighborhood record shop, but it should mean more music being heard.

    I would venture that listening to music is a habit. Habits, once acquired, lead to purchases. In an ideal world for musicians, people would go through life in a habitual cocoon of music. The problem with most DRM schemes is that they work against the habit by making using a song in some context a conscious economic transaction. For similar reasons, I think that unlimited copyright terms work against the habit of music. There's only so many times you can listen to Louis Armstrong recordings from the 30s, but the education in jazz makes you more likely to buy recent recordings.

    While the notions that DRM and extended copyright work against the habit of music are consistent with each other, they are neither necessary to each other. One can believe one without the other. This seems a reasonable test of the DRM notion, one that is entirely within the rights for McCartney to attempt.

    Now, I happen to think that at this point, if the Beatles catalog was in the public domain, there'd be more people interested in McCartney's recent music. He'd make less money, but he'd get a lot more new fans. However, even if he were inclined to do such an experiment (which he is apparently not) he'd have to buy out others with a proprietary interest in the old copyrights to do it.

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    1. Re:Well, what point are we arguing here? by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's my understanding the most people on /. don't have trouble with respecting the originally intended copyright bargain, but that the DMCA is strangling the tech sector.

      It's unsurprising then that, on a tech news site, the resident populace has an unceasing rage against the DMCA and DRM in general, which is basically legal protectionism of intentional incompatibility.

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  47. Frog Chorus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    McCartney is listed in The Guinness Book Of Records as the most successful musician and composer in popular music history (wiki) ...is now down with the kids and anti-DRM. A bold and brave move eh?

    Yes it is. For new and upcoming bands.
    Sir Paul should just do it anyway because he can.... and he is..
    but!
    Fuck him for the frog song.

  48. DRM has been good for us by Theovon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We're the good guys, right? DRM is evil (true that), and we offer alternatives. But the fact is that before DRM came along, piracy of music on the internet was rampant. People (good and bad) didn't give it much thought since it was just so easy to copy. We now say "give it to us without DRM, and we'd gladly pay a reasonable price." But for most people, this is a lie. If it weren't for DRM, they would have no concept of the value of the thing they're copying. They would not have "paid a reasonable price" because they would just have downloaded it for free. Only when they were threatened by having that taken away did they think about opening their wallets.

    The RIAA and DRM have been an important corrective event in our society. Because of them, we have become more aware that the producers of this content have a right to protect their investment. Whether you're an artist publishing a song or a coder licensing under GPL, respecting copyright is important for our economy, our access to artistic works, and our freedom.

    We still have an uphill battle against the RIAA and their efforts to lock down every little bit of content and take away our right to listen to the content we paid for on any device we wish, let friends listen, etc. When the dust settles, a happy compromise will be reached where sharing with a friend (who will probably turn around and buy the whole album as a result) is reasonable fair use, while the same is not true for posting the copyrighted work on a P2P sharing network, completely taking away the livelihood of the artist who created the work.

    My favorite band is They Might Be Giants. Not all of their stuff is fantastic, though, so I have sought ways to listen before buying. But in the end, I have legally bought and paid for every one of their albums. Maybe that's mostly because I'm a fanatic, but I also see it as a statement of respect to people whom I want to produce more of the same kind of brilliant stuff.

    1. Re:DRM has been good for us by shentino · · Score: 1

      I agree with you.

      The RIAA, as fucked up as it is, has a legitimate mission.

      Now, before I get modded down as flamebait, I would like to reiterate that copyright infringement is, after all, a federal offense for a reason. Our founding fathers put the clause in the constitution to promote works.

      Yes, I will admit that our current copyright system is completely FUBAR. Yes I will admit that the RIAA is out of control.

      However, there is still the fact that people break the law when they illicitly distribute material.

      I would love to see copyright restored to proper sanity, and I would also love to see the RIAA play fair.

      If the RIAA played by the rules and fought honorably, I would have full support for it.

      But, as we all know...that's a might big if.

    2. Re:DRM has been good for us by geekoid · · Score: 1

      No.
      People ahve been saying DRM is wrong, and we should be paying for it...within reason.
      Only a few slacker, but vocal, bums have been said it all should be free. It's been 8 or so years, all those people from the Napster days have grown up and gotten into the real world.

      DRM cost more on the production side, takes away the rights of th e people who obey the abused and tortured copyright law, and make spirating seem a reasonable alternative.
      There has always been people who don't pay, and there always will be.

      Due to DRM and not being able to return software, I pretty much torrent everything, and then buy if I like it.

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    3. Re:DRM has been good for us by NereusRen · · Score: 1

      If it weren't for DRM, they would have no concept of the value of the thing they're copying. They would not have "paid a reasonable price" because they would just have downloaded it for free. Only when they were threatened by having that taken away did they think about opening their wallets.

      Threatened by having what taken away? DRM doesn't do shit to keep an album off the file sharing networks, and anyone claiming otherwise is either deluding themselves or trying to sell a DRM solution to a content distributor. DRM only hurts legitimate buyers.

      If former casual pirates are now spending money on DRM-free internet music, it's not because the DRM had made it harder for them to get free music.

    4. Re:DRM has been good for us by Theovon · · Score: 1

      You are right. It's not because the DRM made it harder. It's because the actions of the RIAA and the threat of DRM opened their eyes to the mistake they were making. Were it not for that, these people would still be casual pirates.

      And nothing's going to stop the hard-code mass pirates. They KNOW what they're doing is wrong and in fact are the primary profit loss for the recording companies. One of the RIAA's mistakes is to ignore all the 3rd world mass piracy and just go after the small fraction of pirates at home. They really have screwed up priorities.

  49. Yes, but where do I get it for free? by cdrguru · · Score: 1

    After all, once it is in digital form, why pay?

    1. Re:Yes, but where do I get it for free? by zorro-z · · Score: 1

      As I note below, the reason to pay is to encourage other artists to release similarly-DRMed work. As an xkcd cartoon pointed out (http://xkcd.com/488/), if you buy DRMed media, and they change the technology or you change your OS, an attempt to bring along the media for which you have paid makes you a criminal (under the DCMA). DRM-free media obviates this, w/o requiring one to pirate the media.

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    2. Re:Yes, but where do I get it for free? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Ethics? Compensation for the effort that gives you enjoyment?

      While I think any copyright over 14 years is harmful to society(and there ahve been studies backing that up) That does not mean the artist shouldn't be compensated during that time. well, technically the copyright holder, which may not be the artist.

      Being a digital format doesn't mean it's a free for all..or rather it doesn't mean it should be a free for all.

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    3. Re:Yes, but where do I get it for free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A CD disk is a digital format that you traded your hard earned money to the kid at the record store counter long before you knew what an MP3 was.

      Why pay for that, after all, it was a digital format?

  50. Fallacy. by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    There'll probably be more freeloaders, since the people who *wanted* to get their music for free but couldn't figure it out will have an easier time of it. But if sales are boosted enough by the good press and goodwill, the experiment will have succeeded.

    what is hard to figure out about "www.thepiratebay.org"?
    The absence of DRM will not mean more piracy. It takes only a single breach, a single copy stripped of DRM protection, to assure everyone who wants it over the internet gets their wish.

    I'm getting really tired of assertions like this one that less drm = more piracy.

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    1. Re:Fallacy. by MBGMorden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's the whole point of the issue. Digital copying has the recording industry running around like a chicken with their heads cut off.

      A digital copy never degrades. Assuming no corruption (which good protocols prevent), the 5 billionth copy sounds just the same as the first. So in essence, a copy is just as good as "the real thing". They panic and insist that DRM is a "must" because otherwise, people will copy those songs wholesale.

      The thing that they forget though is the same thing that drove them into the frenzy in the first place: DIGITAL COPIES DON'T degrade. If I want to pirate a song, I generally don't go to my buddy who bought a non-DRM'd copy. I'd go to a sharing site. Since a digital copy doesn't degrade, then as you said it only takes ONE copy of the song without DRM to spawn as many non-DRM'd copies as are necessary to quench the thirst of the masses.

      In the end it's STUPID. Anybody who wants a free (regardless of legality) non-DRM'd copy of any song or movie knows exactly where to get it. The only people who get affected by the hassles of DRM are the people who wish to obey the law. So, ironically, they get a worse product than the pirates. Rather than the copy being "just as good" as the real thing, it's now actually BETTER.

      Try to sell an inferior product at a higher price with nothing more than a law that most people see as antiquated, and it's not going to fly. Particularly when the vast majority of offenders of this law are never prosecuted, and you have a recipe for the collapse of an industry. The solution is simple. Provide a SUPERIOR product, and a REASONABLE price, and people will buy it.

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    2. Re:Fallacy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The solution is simple. Provide a SUPERIOR product, and a REASONABLE price, and people will buy it.

      OK then, given your (correct) assertion about the enduring quality of digital copying, how does one provide a superior product at a reasonable price?

      Surely it would be more correct to say a QUALITY product at a reasonable price.

      What we need to find is an equilibrium between value and ethics on one side and consumer self-interest on the other. At the moment the problem isn't just DRM vs. piracy, it's that this equilibrium is hugely out of balance.

      I'm a strongly ethical person and so it nearly works for me - I buy most of my music. But I recognise that I'm at one extreme of the social spectrum and even I dabble in piracy.

    3. Re:Fallacy. by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      OK then, given your (correct) assertion about the enduring quality of digital copying, how does one provide a superior product at a reasonable price?

      Several things come into play.

      1) Pirated copies often take a little more work to procure. You have to visit sites of questionable reputation, face download speeds that are dependent upon popularity of the file, and sometimes redownload or rework a file if it has quality issues. In this case, simply offering DRM free sales in a nicely formatted store such as the iTunes store, or Amazon.com's store, would be an improvement. An improvement that I'd be willing to pay for assuming that the file I get in the end isn't encumbered.

      2) Beyond digital downloads, the opportunity with physical media is obvious. For situations like BluRay, the disc has a bandwidth capability that dwarfs the connections many people have at home (not to mention with bandwidth caps coming into play, even speed isn't the only problem). However, I can't easily take a BluRay disc and copy it into my MythTV box so that I have it available anywhere in the house. If it were unencumbered, then I'd be much more quick to buy the higher quality version on disc, and save the transfer time, if I could then copy that off and do with it what I wanted (because for my purposes, a data disc is a great transport medium, but a poor general use medium).

      3) For physical discs they already have the advantage of providing a nice storage box with artwork and the like, but such a concept could easily be extended to online sales. They already do something similiar with video game sales. Usually a pre-order will net you some goody like a map from the game or an action figure or something. Say that when I buy the complete album for Nickelback's newest release for example, I have the option to pay $2.99 shipping and get a nice 8x10 photo of the band or of the album cover. Or a coupon for $5 off one of their concerts.

      There are literally a ton of ways to provide something extra for one's money. The basic situation is, that the industry HAS to do something, because they're not going to get anywhere if they think they can just sue their customer base into accepting whatever they shovel out to them. You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar.

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    4. Re:Fallacy. by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      Try to sell an inferior product at a higher price with nothing more than a law that most people see as antiquated, and it's not going to fly.

      but ford's been selling the mustang for years.. oh wait (sorry I had to!)

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  51. Oi! It's good stuff! by zorro-z · · Score: 1

    I just hit the Website, listened to some of the tracks via streaming audio, liked them, so I bought the album. I was also one of the minority of people who chose to pay for Radiohead's "In Rainbows," where I had the option of selecting whatever cost I desired, including nothing.

    In each case, I chose to pay for the work both because I liked the product and because I want to encourage artists to release music in a similar manner in the future. Am I an idealistic fool? Perhaps so, and it wouldn't be the last time I was called that. That is a badge that I wear proudly.

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  52. it's not a surprise at all. by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    Really, I've no idea why, but nobody cared. At all.

    "Godwin's law! Godwin's law!"

    ok, with that out of the way.

    Metallica is to the internet, p2p, and college students everywhere what hitler was to judaism.

    If you were just beaten by your husband and he went all 'honeymoon phase' on you, would you actually believe him or would you recoil in disgust?

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  53. Who? by geekoid · · Score: 1

    oh yeah, that guy from Wings.

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  54. John Lennon would have said... by Naked+Jaybird · · Score: 1

    "All that we're saying/Is give DRM-Free a chance."

  55. Riiiight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, a big musician who gets it, right.

    Um, no. Heather Mills took all his money and his pride and now he needs to re-ingratiate himself with the public and make some chump change.

  56. Too expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, it's cheaper at $9 that the $16 you'd pay at Walmart, but it is still too expensive. I'd say $2, maybe $3 is the right price.

    At $9, people will still use unauthorized copies.

    Price it fairly, and people will buy it.

  57. Two songs for free by RichardDeVries · · Score: 1

    Here are the songs "Nothing Too Much Just Out Of Sight" and "Sing The Changes":
    http://www.thefiremanmusic.com/assets/mp3/

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  58. Just convert it by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

    FLAC and ALE (Apple lossless Encoding) are both lossless formats, so you won't lose any audio information on the conversion.

    Looking for tools there is:
        - XLD: http://tmkk.hp.infoseek.co.jp/xld/index_e.html
        - xAct: http://xact.sourceforge.net/

    If there are any other please reply to this post.

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  59. xACT by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

    A better link for xACT is: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/14246

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  60. DRM-free music is already widely available. by bcrowell · · Score: 1

    This is not such big news. Amazon.com will already sell you music in mp3 format, without any DRM. You can buy pretty much any commercial album or song you want.

    There are differences between the McCartney deal and Amazon.com, but although they may be significant for some people, I don't think they warrant the breathless slashdot summary:

    1. Amazon won't sell you MP3s if you're outside the US, presumably because of contractual problems.
    2. Amazon doesn't sell anything in less lossy formats than MP3.
    3. You can only listen to parts of tracks, not entire albums, before buying.

    And by the way, amazon has gone out of their way to offer Linux support. (If you buy an entire album, you have to do it via an external application, and they've released versions of the external application for several linux distros. Personally, I prefer an OSS alternative called clamz.)

  61. Re:torrent? rapidshare? megaupload? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    I know parent is fishing for lols, but how long before steam (valve) get their arse into gear and start offering music?

    I would guess never. Alright, yes, you've got a point here:

    Could easily build into the steam overlay to control a media player, combine each games soundtrack into your playlist

    However, I would never consider buying music or movies through Steam, only games.

    You see, with games, Steam offers a clear advantage, despite the DRM. I usually have to run proprietary Windows-only software anyway (the game), but if I get it through Steam, I can re-download whenever I want, I get a community (achievements, friends, etc), and I get these as an overlay on top of whatever game I'm playing.

    All for the price of forcing me to be online all the time, which I was going to anyway.

    Contrast this with music. Yes, it's nice to be able to re-download whenever I want. However, with DRM-free music, I can back it up however I want, mostly negating that advantage. I can also play it with free software on Linux, or convert it and push it to just about any device which can play music at all, even burn CDs, share/lend it to my friends...

    All kinds of advantages to DRM-free music, which I'd lose by getting it through Steam.

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  62. Nobody is perfect. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    He could have a perfectly clued up position about DRM and be completely clueless about copyright.

    Praise where it is due, not so gently persuasion where it is needed ....

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  63. You got it backwards,they cant afford not to do it by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    The small time artists have nothing to lose: few people are buying their stuff, so to make a living they have to get off their asses and actually do some real work (like playing in concerts, the infamy).

    People that have made it big are realising that they are being copied all around the place, so the only thing they can do to beat piracy is to be more convenient than free. A pirate could never put a service like the one McCartney is offering,

    Big artists now know that insisting in asinine DRM is against their own interests and with horror are trying to adapt (Madonna is no longer affiliated to a record label, but a touring company, Prince released his latest CD for free as a gift that came with a newspaper).

    Recorded music will become free advertisement for artists who will make their living from actually working, once they have an stablished name they will be able to set up shops to provide services around their music or to allow convinient digital shops to sell their wares.

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  64. Gets it? by Orig_Club_Soda · · Score: 0

    LOL. Maybe the only thing he gets is that you pirates will steal his work regardless of how he protects it. What you don't get is that the sales of this album is basically meaningless to Sir Paul's savings account.

    DRM-free does not reduce piracy. Stealing someone's property, no matter how effortless, is eternally wrong.

    The change we need is not the removal of DRM, but your lack of ethics and monkey-morals.

  65. Bravo Paul is right! by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 1

    Leave it up to the Artists and they do the right thing (MOST of the time).

    Of course Paul is of a different mindset than most, and he is from a generation of generosity and love. Go figure, he supports the "humanistic" way to deliver art in today's modern technology.

    Paul, and folks like Radiohead, Trent Reznor, Pearl Jam and many lessor known artists are showing the world how its going to be done in the future. The technology we have today is so impowering and so many people give up their rights to be empowered by the technology. So many just buy into DRM schemes and all of these ass backwards ideas that hurt progress.

    It really amazes me today, just how much an artist... especially photographers, musicians, film makers etc... can do so much of their craft on a computer at home and simply distribute through the internet themselves. This is such a revolution that suits are still afraid of it, but those that dare embrace the amazing technology and concepts it brings... are simply going to find themselves ahead of the game and apart of the progressive evolution of society. The times are a changing... and I sure hope that we embrace this power, rather than limit it from all of us as humans. It is the most important revolution in information and self involvement into society that we have seen in sometime. Everyone can now have a voice, and deliver it...

    The interesting thing is... I still feel like we take this all for granted. The revolution is still in the distance... its not quite here, despite the world being "connected".

    Soon enough though, and as more folks like Paul McCartney see the potential... the more we will all be closer to being a more advanced civilization.

  66. Too Expense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would be interested in the 96kHz/24bit version but at $80 its a deal breaker. Give us a more affordable flac version of the higher resolution source. Seems like vinyl is the best option here - given that you have a nice player, which I don't, and it's mastered on virgin vinyl from the high resolution source. Or, at least give us a SACD version mastered from the high resolution source.

  67. The beatles were crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only good piece of music Mc Cartney ever did was the frog chorus. ;)

  68. Not "RIAA-free" by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 1

    According to RIAA Radar it's not "RIAA-free".

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  69. We got to start somewhere by El_Oscuro · · Score: 1

    Thanks for reminding me about Magnatunes:

    The list I have purchased so far:

    1. Spinecar
    2. Mandrake Root

    Any more, anyone??

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  70. The beatles were bigger than Jesus by Prien715 · · Score: 1

    Well, considering it's the first release from a member of the best-selling music group of ALL TIME, I'd consider it news. I'd assume if this "experiment" goes well, he'd be very likely to do the same with the rest of his catalog.

    The ability to download DRM free Beatles would proclaim the end of DRM music forever and finally kill the CD. Not just artists from EMI and whatnot. (I'm sorry, but if you're charging the price for a CD and giving me lesser quality, I'm going to go out and buy the CD.)

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  71. Look Below The Surface by mangusman · · Score: 1

    I'm a long-time Beatles (and thus McCartney) fan, and quite frankly, this is a typical marketing move Paul has made hundreds of times since the '60s. Come out and look like the good guy battling the evil ways of the recording industry, but in fact, he's really looking to get his music heard any way, shape or form. McCartney's peak writing days are behind him and now he's willing to give away his music. Sad.