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Man Invents Alternative To Cooking Gas
An anonymous reader writes "Gazan resident Abed Ar-Rahman has revealed what he is claiming as an alternative to cooking gas that he developed since Israel has prevented deliveries of cooking gas to Gaza. He invented a device using chemical substances available in Gaza, which burn when mixed and brought into contact with oxygen. The first component is a metal filter that controls the interaction between 40% of the oxygen in the surrounding air, the inflammable substance and some other substances."
Now he just needs to find a way to get the land back that the jews stole from his people.
What about Calcium Oxide (CaO), which yields quite a bit of heat when exposed to water?
All you have to do to get CaO is burn limestone, which people have been doing since antiquity.
"It is a denial of justice not to stretch out a helping hand to the fallen; that is the common right of humanity."
This would be neat if true -- a garbage disposal sized obvject providing 40 days of cooking gas for 40 NIS, but just reading alerts every single "perpetual motion" bullshit detector in my head -- the 40% figure, the secret ingredients, etc.
Dude, I think I can see my house from here.
You know what they have a lot of in Gaza which will burn nice and hot? Solid state rocket fuel.
Israel has not "prevented deliveries of cooking gas to Gaza." If you look at a map of the Gaza Strip, you will see its entire length is bordered by the Mediterranean Sea. Shipments can and do enter the Gaza Strip from this route.
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--interaction between 40% of the oxygen in the surrounding air, the inflammable substance and some other substances."
Inflammable means flammable!
If the palestinians weren't being oppressed brutally with Nazi-like tactics, this article would not exist. Israel commits human rights crimes on a daily basis that get covered up by a zionist-friendly media.
This article contains no information but to me it looks just like a gas cylinder with a regulator you'd use on a BBQ.
I can't imagine cooking without gas.
Heating food without gas? I just can't fathom this.
Not flammable?
They don't seem to have too much trouble getting weapons to use against Israel.
To mimic the obvious political bent of the summary, I guess it's too bad Israel can't invent an alternative way to live, like this guy invented an alternative to gas, since the Arabs in Gaza have prevented them from living normal lives.
I have a wild idea: stop trying to kill Israelis, and they won't impose such strict security restrictions. Oh, wait, I forgot. Killing Jews is (still) OK.
He refused to reveal the exact substances used, fearing that they will not be allowed into the Gaza Strip.
Possibly because the "militants" are using the same thing to make rockets to fire at Israel?
I wonder what these 'substances' that are so abundant in Gaza are normally used for.
While I congratulate him for his invention, he could have used dung from the millions of sheep and camels in the region to make biogas. As a matter of fact these folks are already doing it.
I hear waste from humans works too. The trouble with it being the stench and the potential for Hepatitis A spread.
He can always gas them.
"Palestinian witnesses said Thursday that Israeli aircraft had dropped leaflets on southern Gaza Strip, warning to destroy underground smuggling tunnels that extend out to Egypt. ...
Israel imposed a blockade on the Gaza Strip in June 2007 after Islamic Hamas movement seized control of the territory. ...
The tunnels are used to smuggle a long list of products, starting from fuel and cooking gas to mobile phones."
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-12/25/content_10559193.htm
what the hell is so amazing about this that it's news worthy? so something other than gas burns. big deal. "He refused to reveal the exact substances used, fearing that they will not be allowed into the Gaza Strip. " - that just screams bullshit.
If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
charcoal.
I'm very skeptical of this (due to the complete lack of details). That said, here is what jumped out at me from the article (emphasis mine):
Why not just cook with the electricity in the first place? Either the electricity in the area is reliable enough that you could, or it's not stable in which case this device won't operate. Is the electricity just too expensive?
It's perfectly possible to cook with electricity. I do it every day. I don't have any gas appliances at my place. There is the standard electric cook top (like a hot plate, or most electric stoves), then there is induction cook tops which are supposed to be much better.
I realize cooking with electricity is not ideal (I'd prefer gas to the electric burners I have, although I might change my mind with an induction cook top), but it would work.
Besides, if this thing is real and sells, don't you think that Israel would get their hands on one stop shipments of whatever chemicals it uses, or at least slow them (if they are common enough) pushing the price way up? If a government is trying to stop you, switching off one substance to another one won't fix your problem. The government will just make the second thing hard to get.
Comment forecast: Bits of genius surrounded by a sea of mediocrity.
...he faced many difficulties in obtaining specific metals such as aluminum that are not allowed into Gaza
He added that he spent 3,000 Jordanian dinars developing the device, and stressed that he faced many difficulties in obtaining specific metals such as aluminum that are not allowed into Gaza.
Oh, wait...
Sounds like it might be a form of the Fischer-Tropsch process, a catalyzed chemical reaction in which synthesis gas (syngas), a mixture of carbon monoxide and hydrogen, is converted into liquid hydrocarbons of various forms. You don't have to end up with liquid products. The catalysts are the things that would be the hardest to get in the Gaza area. You need electricity to run the process, but only intermediatly, to build up the product. The Germans made a lot of progress on this during WWII when their access to petro-products was cut off, yet the demand for POL was still high. The feedstock could be almost any organic material that can be volatilized, not necessiarily syngas, but the catalysts needed and the temperatures/pressures are a booger to work out.
Chaos maximizes locally around me.
Never has the "flamebait" label seemed more appropriate....
"Aluminium alloys form vital components of aircraft and rockets as a result of their high strength-to-weight ratio"
and
"Powdered aluminium is used in paint, and in pyrotechnics such as solid rocket fuels and thermite."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum#Applications
To make this really take off (pun?) you need to find a way to continue killing innocent Jews. Then they would embrace it fully.
FTA "he faced many difficulties in obtaining specific metals such as aluminum that are not allowed into Gaza."
So... he has an alternate fuel source, and a new invention to cook with, but no means to mass-produce the new invention because you can't import aluminum into Gaza??? Where's the breakthrough?
"Yes, I have a Disaster Recovery Plan. It's called my Resume"
The day after a Christmas dinner, most guys are producers of lots and lots of bio-gas.
Or you could take a man or two, put them in a vacuum-sealed vessel, and boil off the hydrocarbons. Sort of like a "reverse gas chamber". If you don't want to be inhuman, use politicians - even PETA won't complain ...
unless I am reading this wrong the air in gaza would be great for a nitrox dive to 99 feet for 50 minutes.
Of course, the idea of a particular person owning a particular piece of land is a bit crazy to begin with.
Man in Gaza smuggles cooking gas for lucrative "Secret Herbs and Spices" invention.
written by Bihni Jawboot.
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Which came first? Jerusalem's Grand Mufti in 1948 (al-Husayni) did. While he was in prison at the time for war crimes including his collusion with Hitler, he still had enough influence to have his followers start attacking Jewish settlements and begin the Arab Israeli War when partitioning took place in Palestine. He also was a main lobbyist and negotiator for organizing the Arab countries that declared war on the new state of Israel. He is the one responsible for ordering Palestinians to leave the area for refugee camps in Gaza and the West Bank. That is even after the new Israelis recognized their rights to land and living in the area now known as Israel. The Palestinians living in the Israeli side of the partitions were guaranteed to keep all their lands and sources of income by the Israelis. The Arab leaders, including al-Husayni, started the fight and told the Palestinians to move aside while they kicked the Jews into the sea... which of course didn't happen. When they were unsuccessful, Jordan annexed the West Bank portion of the Palestinian homeland outlined in the partitioning treaty, and Egypt took the Gaza strip. And they refused to let the Palestinians stay anywhere outside the refugee camps for the longest time. In some places they were never allowed to live outside the refugee camps... never allowed to become citizens of the countries where the camps existed. Yes, Arab countries treated the Palestinians worse than the Israelis would have. The Israelis would not have done anything other than let the status quo of life as usual happen.
And by the way, there was NO country called Palestine before annexation, and the Palestinians didn't lose anything. They were living in areas claimed by other countries and never had the status (for a couple thousand years) of citizens of a Palestinian state in all that time. Partitioning carved a space out for both sides. But no-one had to move. The choice was their own. And now they have the Gaza strip and the West Bank back. But they still want to fight for something they never had before, simply because the others there are Jews. They should grow up, get control of their emotions like a civilized people, and stop with the bullshit rocket attacks. Then there will be peace. The Israelis, like anyone being beaten by a person who can't contain their own hysteria, can only take getting hit so many times before replying in kind.
So which came first? The Grand Mufti's thugs and prideful Arab countries were the cause of the Palestinian's grief.
Read this post: A Brief Politically Incorrect But Truthful History.
You have no logical argument stating anyone stole any land from a Palestinian. Unless of course you want to point that accusation at Jordan or Egypt. You don't have any argument. Your statement is pure bullshit.
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... BULLSHIT !
You can tell from the blurb the guy is doing nothing more than burning any old shit (you know dead dogs, faeces - it's the Gaza strip after all) he finds lying around. How is this a breakthrough ? What kind of fumes are produced ?
I have an alternative to cooking period...takeout!
The summary is the article.
Sig this!
Ron Paul is right. All of this money delays peace and creates no change in those countries.
i did not RTFA but i own a coleman heating devie that rates at 5000 BTU that uses a titanium mesh filter and standard propane (something I guess they can still egt in some quantity) the two of which create some magical reaction to produce heat without fire. I don't know if this means no CO gas produced but the package claims it is safe for use in confided areas (such as a camping tent). This heater has run for for over 8 hours on one small bottle of propane now and the heat it generates would be more then enough to boil water or brown a small skillet of beef so i imagine this is what he is calling an invention
It must be a new Hanukkah miracle! 40 days and 40 nights the people ate cold food. Then the discovery was made...
Some poor fellow apparently demonstrated that a gas mixture other than traditional LPG (Liquefied Petroleum Gas=Butane+Propane) could burn in a stove, coming out of a metal cilinder and controlled by some sort of electronics. He thinks this will help solve the lack of LPG in his region. But he gives no clue as to what is his gas mixture, and there's no info on whether his apparatus is safe from accidents/explosions, environment-friendly, unharmful to one's health in home usage, economical to produce/sell and energy-efficient.
When I opened TFA I was expecting much more. Usually the pecking order (economics and supply problems notwithstanding) for cooking is: Electricity -> Piped Natural Gas -> LPG (Propane/Butante) -> Kerosene/Parafin -> Coal -> Wood/charcoal/dry dung
How does his solution compare (economically, and in health/safety aspects) in this sequence, especially in his intended local market? That I would like to know.
Unless the specific goal of /. was to flame-bait around the perennial arab/israeli problem, this post was a waste of time.
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I read somewhere recently about a plastic surgeon using human fat to power his car. Besides, the zionist pigs have been doing it for millenia using the blood of newborn goyim. ;P
and it means enflame too.
What a language!
If you care to read the Balfour declaration of 1917, stating that the British government "view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people", you would realize that there was indeed a land called Palestine since 1917. Go back even further, the crusades, where do you think they were headed? Read an accurate history book for a change. And let me enlighten you one last time, Winston Churchill, before the Palestine Royal Commission, said the following: "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place." In effect, Palestinians are the dogs in your manger, been there for 2000 years give or take. It is interesting to see how you chose to dispose of them.
From wikipedia:
Trying to point your finger at one part of this incredibly long and tragic timeline of conflict and calling it the "start" is an exercise in futility. There's plenty of blame to go around.
With reasonable men I will reason; with humane men I will plead; but to tyrants I will give no quarter. -- William Lloyd
I think you'll find (and it would behooof you to look this up) that it was the subsequent Israeli *expansion* into the newly created land called Palestine, which actually caused all the bullshit in the first place. The initial creation of Israel in the area actually came about with minimal fuss, considering.
oh PLEASE mod parent up. I'm sick of the colonialist argument used by Israel that there was no palistine - there was a people there before israel, and they WERE recognised
From the article:
Ar-Rahman Farajallah revealed an alternative to cooking gas that he developed at a press conference on Thursday.
Now either he's really quick at developing alternative fuels...
or
That was a really long press conference.
I say don't drink and drive, you might spill your drink. Before you get behind the wheel just stop and think.
Maybe rocket fuel or some explosives-building component. Those seem to be in large supply in Gaza.
The funny thing is that although Christians can recognize Jews and Moslems as a culture we do not in any way admit any validity to their religions. Whether either of these cultures have any legitimate place in the Holy Land is debatable at best. Perhaps if we cleared the area of all Jews and Moslems and kept it as a Christian only area the problem would be solved.
Frankly the Jews have suffered deep wounds which causes them to be a bit off the wall in their attitudes and the Moslems have been contaminated by an absurd right wing branch that has effectively poisoned their faith to a point where it is no longer operative. The Moslems best answer would have been to purge their right wing with a vengence.
This post is tremendously over-simplistic to the point of being nothing but Israeli propaganda. Please read the Wikipedia article about the Palestinian exodus to understand what really happened. It is not entirely clear why the majority of the Palestinians left, but there was a lot more going on than the Mufti.
oh PLEASE!!! Talk about "denial"! Next you'll start claiming that it was a terra nullus. Are you seriously trying to claim that there was no one living there? Or perhaps that, yes people lived there but there was no nation? Lots of colonial efforts have claimed all of those things. Today's Israel is as much a colonial govt as South Africa, the USA or Australia. Today's Israelis inhabit areas which WERE occupied by people who's parents, grandparents great-grandparents etc etc lived. They kicked the locals out, stole the land and force the Palestinians on a march which the current colonials try to suppress in history. There is no honor in Israel. There's not a great deal of difference between their raciest practices and the old south africa. Fortunately, as generations pass, the rest of the world is starting to wake up to that.
The problem with that, is Christianity is a relatively new religion to the people in that particular region of the world. No no, don't get yourself in a tizzy... Christianity did not exist before Christ... or are you saying that it was sheer luck that he happened to bear the last name that is the corner stone of the name of the religion that holds him in such High Esteem?
So these are people who as a people, have lived in that area before Christ was an itch in Big Daddy's pants (assuming that God wears pants). Trying to use *THAT* Religion as the determining factor in this, is like throwing Napalm over your house to make it fire-proof.
And some FYI to others that may read this... Romans used the term Palestine in reference to the very same region now referred to as Palestine. So the idea of Palestinian land dates back MUCH further than late 19th/early 20th century as some have suggested here. The Muslim Presence in Jerusalem began in the 7th century with the Arab conquest of Jerusalem. Oh, and also, as I've read here, apparently since they continue to fight, these people are accused of loving violence over food and over their children. Well, Christians must LOATHE their children, after rounding up 35,000 of them between the 4th and 5th Crusades and sending them off to fight a war. Of course, there was no Children's crusade, because those children were sold into slavery long before they ever got to the Holy Land. So neither side has clean hands in this. Not the participants, nor the observers.
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The irony is that most people who are classified as Palestinians have never been to Palestine and neither have their ancestors - ie they're genetically diverse and not at all a "people group".
The "Palestine" people are mostly just Arabs from Egypt, SA, Jordan, and the other surrounding Arab countries who were slow to revert from nomadic lifestyles - basically, Arab gypsies. They were a nuisance to the Arab states, and Israel provided a seemingly convenient (in that they could use them against the Jews) place to get rid of them.
The actual "Palestinians" are mostly integrated amongst Israelis; if it wasn't for the media's focus on the Palestinians as a group, they likely wouldn't even be identifiable as anything other than "naturalized secular Arab-Israeli" by this point.
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Hold on now, just because there was an area called "Palestine" doesn't mean that it was a country, much less a sovereign one. For the Allies to use their military and political position to create a new country without the consent of those already living there is morally questionable, but so is any use of force, and one way or another, Israel exists now. Regardless of of how racist Churchill or anyone else was, regardless of how horrible the situation was on all sides (and it was pretty damn horrible), the people living in Israel now need to come to some sort of agreement, and for some elements of the "Palestinian" people to think that resorting to terrorism is a good idea is just idiocy. Would you support the Native Americans if they chose to do the same? I don't particularly like Israel (I oppose religiously-defined governments on principle, and their recent dealings with the palestinians have been horrendous), but all sides need to be seeing what they can do with a bad situation. People are always going to try to take the land and property of other people if they think they can make better use of it, but the answer isn't to turn things into a cycle of endless retribution, it's to try to work out some sort of equitable solution. The palestinians can gain from the existence of the modern infrastructure and government Israel has to offer, and if Israel can overcome its own paranoia and racism, maybe something good could come from it.
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Oxford education as phrased by the wolves.
The problem with that, is Christianity is a relatively new religion to the people in that particular region of the world. No no, don't get yourself in a tizzy... Christianity did not exist before Christ... or are you saying that it was sheer luck that he happened to bear the last name that is the corner stone of the name of the religion that holds him in such High Esteem?
So these are people who as a people, have lived in that area before Christ was an itch in Big Daddy's pants (assuming that God wears pants). Trying to use *THAT* Religion as the determining factor in this, is like throwing Napalm over your house to make it fire-proof.
And some FYI to others that may read this... Romans used the term Palestine in reference to the very same region now referred to as Palestine. So the idea of Palestinian land dates back MUCH further than late 19th/early 20th century as some have suggested here. The Muslim Presence in Jerusalem began in the 7th century with the Arab conquest of Jerusalem. Oh, and also, as I've read here, apparently since they continue to fight, these people are accused of loving violence over food and over their children. Well, Christians must LOATHE their children, after rounding up 35,000 of them between the 4th and 5th Crusades and sending them off to fight a war. Of course, there was no Children's crusade, because those children were sold into slavery long before they ever got to the Holy Land. So neither side has clean hands in this. Not the participants, nor the observers.
The problem with that, is Christianity is a relatively new religion to the people in that particular region of the world. No no, don't get yourself in a tizzy... Christianity did not exist before Christ... or are you saying that it was sheer luck that he happened to bear the last name that is the corner stone of the name of the religion that holds him in such High Esteem?
So these are people who as a people, have lived in that area before Christ was an itch in Big Daddy's pants (assuming that God wears pants). Trying to use *THAT* Religion as the determining factor in this, is like throwing Napalm over your house to make it fire-proof.
And some FYI to others that may read this... Romans used the term Palestine in reference to the very same region now referred to as Palestine. So the idea of Palestinian land dates back MUCH further than late 19th/early 20th century as some have suggested here. The Muslim Presence in Jerusalem began in the 7th century with the Arab conquest of Jerusalem. Oh, and also, as I've read here, apparently since they continue to fight, these people are accused of loving violence over food and over their children. Well, Christians must LOATHE their children, after rounding up 35,000 of them between the 4th and 5th Crusades and sending them off to fight a war. Of course, there was no Children's crusade, because those children were sold into slavery long before they ever got to the Holy Land. So neither side has clean hands in this. Not the participants, nor the observers.
...not to mention that the whole point of the Christian crusades mounted in 1099 were in response to the Islamic jihadist crusades that had been pounding ruthlessly for 300+ years on the doors of Europe. After the Christian Crusades, Islam again started a second wave of jihadist crusading that was finally halted in Vienna in 1683 by the Polish king. oh yeah. and that date was Sept.11, 1683. and no, Islam had not been in palestine until mohamed decided to start a political/warfare campaign against everyone not bowing down to him and his idea of god. Islam's war has been waging for 1400 years against anything not itself. Hamas, Hezbollah and the modern mujahideen and jihadist fighters are not crazy radicals that have hijacked a religion. These people are following Muhamad's ideology to the core. Read your Koran sometime, and remember two things: the Islamic doctrine of abrogation lets earlier commands be overruled by later commands
> The hilarity is the internal media of Israel presents a more varied view of
> Palestinian/Israeli interaction than most of the media outlets of the west.
I notice a non-hilarious omission, here: I take it that the internal media of the Palestinians is just as one-sided (but inversely) as the media outlets of the West?
I suppose this is because the various Israeli parties aren't trying to violently eliminate each other?
The Gaza poluation is about one and a half (1,50) million.
Well, lets think about what is available in the Gaza strip:
-Seavater
-Sand
-Rocket fuel
-C4
-sewage
-gunpowder
And now lets try to guess the secret ingredients:
Sand is out since it is hard to pump. and seawater has little energy. It could be methane derived from sewage, but that requires a big process, so the three ingedients must be Rocket fuel, C4 and gunpowder.
On another note, Mars and Mercury is probably more hospitable to human life than the Gaza strip. Strange that anyone survives there.
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Palestine is just another name for "Judea", land of the Jews. After the first revolt against the Romans in AD 66, Judea enjoyed freedom of sorts before the Romans came back in AD 70 and crushed the rebellion (also destroying the 2nd temple). To spite the Jews, they renamed "Judea" to "Palestine", because the Philistines were enemies of the Jews. You might as well call Palestinians "Judeans".
The irony is that most people who are classified as Palestinians have never been to Palestine and neither have their ancestors - ie they're genetically diverse and not at all a "people group".
The "Palestine" people are mostly just Arabs from Egypt, SA, Jordan, and the other surrounding Arab countries who were slow to revert from nomadic lifestyles - basically, Arab gypsies. They were a nuisance to the Arab states, and Israel provided a seemingly convenient (in that they could use them against the Jews) place to get rid of them.
The actual "Palestinians" are mostly integrated amongst Israelis; if it wasn't for the media's focus on the Palestinians as a group, they likely wouldn't even be identifiable as anything other than "naturalized secular Arab-Israeli" by this point.
How preposterously ignorant. Look at most leaders in Israel today, all of them older than 45 years old were born in Ukraine, Russia or any other country in East Europe. There are NOT arab gypsies, otherwise they would not have been cities in Haifa, Jerusalem, Gaza, Nablus, Beithlahem. If you are going to lie, at least try to make it more convincing. No history here, and certainly NO truth.
I am in favour of the colonialist argument, it is NEGATIONIST IDIOTS like you that tend to forget that before what you refer as to Palestine there was the Kingdom of ISRAEL right there ... or maybe you believe the valley of the temples was build by the demon overnight in 1914????
So take for granted there were Israelis first, then beduins, and then when the israelis were settled back the islamist clerics were rightly scared: the people were about to be shown the effects of democracy and progress instead of blidfolding religious belief. The only way to prevent progress and keep the masses under the influence was guess what... war.
Ha, mr Idiot, Now that we are at it: Can you post a recogniement document of "Palestine" for the period you are referring to from any other government? Or maybe an a apology for your bullshitting?
Look at most leaders in Israel today, all of them older than 45 years old were born in Ukraine, Russia or any other country in East Europe. There are NOT arab gypsies,
And despite the hitler campaing this fact is a proof that brilliantly exposes the superiority of european/jew culture. Take a look at the conditions of the surrounding countries run by arab leaders and make up your mind. (Hint: Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iran...)
The Kingdom of Israel was a result of an invasion from Egypt by former slaves who at the time may or may not be considered Jews. At least Moses had his troubles convincing them not to worship golden calfs while he was away picking up the latest news from God ... The Philistines were there when they first arrived.
send + more == money?
The irony is that most people who are classified as Palestinians have never been to Palestine and neither have their ancestors - ie they're genetically diverse and not at all a "people group".
Another irony is that neither the Israeli and the Jews, in general, can trace their ancestry back to the area - ie both groups are genetically diverse and not at all a "people group".
Finally we know what the Romans did for us. They caused the Middle East Misery.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Clear to explain to the majority in that region who are Muslims?
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Adding the benefit of non-flamable base compund?
Wait a minute... Paraffine/wax does not burn without a wick either and as such are safer than alcohol burners or gas containers for camping.
White gas liquid fuel stove:
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More on fuel types:
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Mass murder by any one is bad.
Be it with a Nuke, or slow release uranium in the air that might kill millions over years, or even GM food, that will reduce sterility in humans over generations, there by reducing populations by billions over decades (GM staff have voiced that desire)
Tho if youre an individual , supporting a group to kill your neighbours is low and sub human.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Hey I've just eaten a huge bowl of brussel sprouts - no doubt I'll have a plentiful supply of gas for the next few days...
When 84% of Palestinians support the cold-blooded murder of unarmed Jewish students, you'll have to excuse me if I don't get much comfort from the fact that not all of them are launching rockets.
Welcome to war! I think you'll find that it's even more disgusting than you imagine.
Almost everyone thinks that violence against the other guy is justified. We construct elaborate fantasies to convince ourselves that ongoing violence is vital to our very existence.
In the US, one of the main perpetuators of such fantasies is Fox News. How ironic that you would reflexively leap to its defense while simultaneously condemning the kind of thinking it promotes.
This is criminal. People getting away with starving an entire nation. The world powers have become useless to stop such atrocities. When will the world wake up?
Okay now before we begin I would like to say that the whole conflict deeply saddens me, but you have to take an objective look at the history.
Now if you want to go way back to the biblical/Torah references all you have to look at is exodus in which Moses led the Jews out of enslavement in Egypt, upon which Joshua took over leadership and attacked and exterminated (genocide) the Canaanites in order to secure the "promise land"
1. Part of it wasn't the Jews to begin with
2. They killed people in order to get it.
3. This is in Jewish text.
Now as to the modern conflict. Well we have some major issues here. History did not begin in 1948 as the post references.
Now really the modern day conflict begins around in the early 1900's with the Zionist congress in Switzerland, but let's move forward to 1937 with the Peel commission in 1937. The land now that encompasses modern day Jordan and Israel was then known as the British Mandate of Palestine. That's where the Palestinians get their name.
Now due to an influx of Jewish immigration (encouraged by the Zionist Congress) to the area this sparked lots of conflicts between the resident Arab population leaders and the new Jewish immigrants. Hostilities flared up on both sides and as the Mandate was soon to expire granting sovereignty to the region an agreement was to be sought. Given the populations at this time the Peel commission met to formulate the arrangement and this is what was proposed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Peel_map_pd.png
As you can see from the map it looks very different from today's common recognized maps of the region. The peel commission was not agreed upon by the Arabs or the Jewish immigrants as both sides wanted more than what was offered. The largest mistake was in part due to the Arab leaders stating that they could not assure the protection of the Jewish immigrants.
Now as we move forward in history this was debated back and forth as skirmishes still continued to flare up by both sides attacking the other until World War II broke out.
Now Britain, who still claimed the land as a province, was in dire need of financing for it's war with Germany. Members of the Zionist Congress in Switzerland helped in financing Britain's economic needs under pretense that a more favorable arrangement could be made regarding the Jewish Settlements.
In the meantime massive Jewish immigration began
to descend upon the British Mandate of Palestine exploding the population.
This of course sparks more conflicts with Arab leaders and residents in the area.
Now once the dust settles on WWII the British Mandate of Palestine expires and the moment it ends Israel declares it's independence. on May 14th, 1948. Now this declaration of independence doesn't sit well with the Arabs in the region as it was still thought to be up for discussion and arrangement.
With the aid of the British forces in the region whom the Arabs had no reason to believe would be allied with the Jewish population they were able to maintain there independence by defeating any aggressive forces put forth by the Arab population.
Here is a UN partition plan for Israel in 1947 a year before independence was declared.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png
Now what followed after that were a few short wars in which Israel defended it's claim for sovereignty.
In doing so Israel aggressively went forward trying to bring in new western allies to aid in it's desire to bring forth a nation that included ways to try and bring in the United States to support the effort. A major issue at the time was that of the Suez Canal
This led to some successful, and one very unsuccessful attempt in the Levon Affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
Now the Sue
Let me say this first so people don't get the wrong message: Firing rockets into civilian populations is wrong and should not be done. Attempting to kill your neighbor is a bad thing and those responsible should be punished.
To me the US sentiment is that you take my land over my dead body and I'll fight you tooth and nail if you take my things away from me. That's what's happened to those in Gaza - the Israelis have taken away their land by force and they're fighting back. How many of you would just lay down your guns and say "Oh well, I guess it's theirs now" when your home gets taken away?
I can never approve of the methods used, attacking civilians is never right, but there are two sides to every conflict so try to open your eyes to the fact that just because they're jewish doesn't mean they're innocent. Truly drop the racist attitude and allow yourself to see the wrongs committed by BOTH sides in this. Israel is committing horrendous acts against those in Gaza, forcing them out of their homes, making land-grabs into their territory and laying siege to masses of innocent people. If someone throws a rock from a crowd the correct response does not involve throwing a hand grenade back into the crowd.
Handling manure safely is not a trivial problem. Manure Pit Gas Hazards
Managing digesters can be a full-time job for someone who really knows what he is doing.
You need to work with tons of this - shit - to generate a significant amount of fuel. Biogas is one of those things which have never made sense as a backyard project.
Much easier solution.
Stop taking pot shots at Israel, denounce terrorism open up some sea side casinos and hotels and then start trading with Egypt and Israel.
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Nov 26, 2008 16:36
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First, try this edit on for size:
The irony is that most people who are classified as Jews have never been to Israel and neither have their ancestors - ie they're genetically diverse and not at all a "people group".
Second, I think you forget that under the Ottomans, and in fact, throughout the history of the Middle East, the area now thought of as Palestine was one of the most cosmopolitan and dense areas in the region, due to the presence of important ports along the coast, as well as important religious sites (i.e. Jerusalem). It was a mercantile region focusing on crafts and trade as well as agriculture. To imply that the area west of the Jordan river was sparsely populated solely by bedouin nomads is not historically accurate.
And export the beef.
WTF!
It doesn't matter who they are or where they came from they are people being murdered by the state of Israel.
Yeah, throughout history, TALKING has resolved many conflicts...
I see a headline about an alternative to cooking gas devised around necessity and immediately the ignorant masses turn it into an orgy of jackassery.
If we don't protect the freedom of speech how will we know who the assholes are?
Why? To the Muslims, Jesus Christ is no more than a historical figure. Islam was alive and kicking and doing just fine in the grand scheme of things long before Christianity came into being. If we were to personify the religions, Christianity was a newborn in the manger, while three kings from far off lands, these kings maybe being Islam, Buddhism, and Confucianism... came to visit and gawk at the new kid on the block.
Why would I have to explain to the Muslims in the region that in the grand schemes, Christianity is a relative new-comer to that region... considering how long the religions that were there all along have been there... I think the Muslims already know.
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... with the world's most wrongfully imprisoned.
Let's try an experiment. Wrongfully imprison a few million people, blockade aid from their borders and threaten to invade. Keep it up for a generation...
How many people would respond similarly? How many people would learn to pick up rockets?
Shoot ALL the lobbyists, then turn them into bio-diesel.
...hamas faced many difficulties in obtaining specific metals such as aluminum that are not allowed into Gaza
What we need to do to cut down on fuel costs is mine heavy-ass rock.
I think it was all stolen from the Canaanites. Unless we consider that the Canaanites usurped it from the Sumerians.
Land grabs - sorry to be cynical, but that's just the sad busyness-as-usual for the human race.
Pathological kinda promises Path + Logical - but instead, you get stuck with pathetic.
Actually, pre-1948, the word Palestine and Palestinian referred to Jews, not the Muslims who referred to themselves as Arabs and considered the word "Palestine" to be a foreign or even Jewish-associated appelation.
In fact, today's Israeli newspaper, "Jerusalem Post", was called the "Palestine Post" in pre-state Israel.
The word "Palestine" (or Palestinea) was coined by the Romans to try to wipe out and replace the nationalistic name "Judea" which the land was then called. The new name was meant to hearken back to the "Philistines" and demoralize the Jews who had been defeated.
The notion of a separate(Arab) Palestinian identity did not take root until after 1948. Even then, until after 1967, when Judea/Samaria/Gaza were under Jordanian & Egyptian rule, the arab world referred to them mostly as Arabs since the last thing they wanted was to create a new nationalist movement that would compete with their own territorial ambitions.
Also, most of today's "Palestinians" immigrated into the are in the last 100 years spurred by the economic growth and opportunity created by the burgeoning Jewish populace. In fact, visitors in the mid 19th century (like Mark Twain) found the Holy Land to be depressingly desolate and depopulated. Many of the surnames of today's Palestinian families can be traced back to their (recent) origins in neighboring Arab countries.
Disgusting that such a racist barrage is modded 4 Interesting.......
The poster should open a map. Gaza borders on Israel AND EGYPT. The man could have only been prevented from getting cooking oil of both countries blockaded him!
As an Israeli that has completed his combat army service, I can tell you that the situation is much to complicated to be described in words. I wouldn't know even where to start. But the fact is, that on the day to day basis no one cares who started what, but what we need to do to survive. The Gaza strip has been taken over by the Hammas terrorist organisation, that has decided to take every resource it can get to arm it self and attack Israel, much at the expsense of the palestinian population that are starving living in one of the most dense places on earth. However instead of uprising against Hammas, the feed on its indocrination. Hammas continually fires rockets on Israel towns and cities targeting population. We have bit our lips for a long time, and now it is time to put a stop to it. London didn't put up with germans bombing it in WW2, its a parelal situation. And about the siege that caused the lack of supplies to Gaza, it seems the lately everytime Israel was about to lift the siege Hammas fired more rockets almost as if they wanted their people to suffer, as they feed on sufering for their political power. Israel has no plan to take over anything, we just want to live in peace without having rockets and poeple blowing up all over the place.
Huh?
Muhammad began preaching around 630 AD... Catch that end bit AD... That means about 600 years AFTER Christ was born.
So unless Muhammad was also a time traveler Islam is younger than Christianity.
"You can't make a race horse of a pig"
"No," said Samuel, "but you can make very fast pig"
Palestine has been known as Palestine since Roman times. That does not mean that it was anything approaching a country or organized people group. It has always been a crossroads and melting pot of genetic diversity, warfare, travelers, and trade.
Back to the whole 'naming' thing. The "Palestine" region has indeed been called "Palestine" (or some language-specific variant) since Roman times. Why? Because that's what the Romans renamed the Judean area after the Judean uprising: Palaestina (as an insult to the Jews who were predominant in the area at the time, in reference to the past peoples of the Philistines which the Jews defeated).
The "Palestine" mispronunciation did not come about until Arabs came to the area circa 650AD or so. (Thus, the Palestinians should, ironically, be called Philistines in English.)
I'm not sure what you were getting at with your Churchill quote; yes, my reading comprehension is OK, thanks. It seemed fairly non sequitur.
My personal opinion is that Israel should knock the shit out of the Palestinians, on the simple basis that they're culturally and technologically superior in every way. By "superior" I mean "like me" and "not prone to 3rd world tribal religious fanaticism and genocide". This would not be a matter at all, if the Palistinians didn't insist upon throwing the whole effort of their peoples (not government, as they've shown they have no such legit thing) behind the destruction of Israel.
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WTF?!
I'm half Palestinian, and I can say you're talking BS.
The Palestinians are the people who lived in Jerusalem, Gaza, Rafah and all the other cities of Palestine for _centuries_ before the british jumped in.
The reason they're all over the arab world now is because of the massacres the Israilies are doing in there. Just yesterday they launched an attack on Gaza, leaving more than 300 killed and 800 injured.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/12/2008122871652501306.html
So if he were a historical figure, how could Islam be older then said figure? Somebody else already pointed out when Islam was started.
Also Jezus is NOT just an historical figure, he is a prophet, just like Mozes or Mohammed. It is that Mohammed is the last one, according to Islam.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Hopefully he is not too far off from discovering Greek Fire again, maybe then the rightful owners of that land can burn off the filthy jew infestation as the ovens in europe should have done in the early 1940s.
Maybe all you zionist morons should turn off faux news and try looking at the wholesale atrocities committed by infested jews there and then ask yourself how you would react. Fact of the matter is that jews are the aggressor and cause of many problems globally through their murderous and treacherous mossad organization and around the land they squat on owned by the Palestinians. They run over unarmed peaceful protesters with bulldozers which are out to knockdown homes of families in their own country and this is when their snipers are not picking off children and unarmed protesters and pretending nothing happened.
Fuck you israel, may you be wiped from the face of the map and damn soon.
Microwave anyone ?
We have weapons to dispose of them, but since we're so whipped to the UN and keeping international peace, we don't.
In several Asimov novels the characters are eating dinner, and they take a sealed container of food, press a lever or contact, and the food heats up. The character then removes the cover and eats.
IIRC Starbucks tried something like this a few years ago. They had a container with (again iirc) the bottom closed off, with two compartnebts with water and CaO. It was supposed to work just like the Asimov bowls.
They had two problems with it. First, reheated coffee SUCKS. Take yesterday's coffee and microwave it, it's worse than instant. Second, a few of the containers deteriorated and the coffee got contaminated with CaO.
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Ummmm. No. Arabs attacked when Israel was mandated by the U.N. That would make the cause of the bullshit to be on the Arabs heads.
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See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Politically correct fuckwad. Your kind will never end any issues just propagate them because you are afraid to go after the root of the real issues for fear of offending someone. Get over it. You are among those who will only ever talk and never take action, since that is the only way not to offend someone. But your specious mouthing off and lack of action is in its own form an action in its own. The action of status quo: doing nothing. Nothing of action. That offends ME. The world needs more people willing to pull the skeletons out of the closets, not leave them in there to fester. Your kind of thinking will lead to more problems than not.
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