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Best IT Solution For a Brand-New School?

Iain writes "I'm a teacher at a British 'City Academy' (ages 11-19) that is going to move into a new building next year. Management is deciding now on the IT that the students will use in the new building, as everything will be built from scratch. Currently, the school has one ICT suite per department, each containing about 25-30 PCs. My issue with this model is that it means these suites are only rarely used for a bit of googling or typing up assignments, not as interactive teaching tools. The head likes the idea of moving to a thin client solution, with the same one room per department plan, as he see the cost benefits. However, I have seen tablet PCs used to great effect, with every single classroom having 20-30 units which the students use as 'electronic workbooks,' for want of a better phrase. This allows every lesson to fully utilize IT (multimedia resources, Internet access, instant handout and retrieval of learning resources, etc.) and all work to be stored centrally. My question is: In your opinion, what is the best way for a school to use IT (traditional computer lab, OLPCs, etc.) and what hardware is out there to best serve that purpose? Fat clients for IT/Media lessons and thin client for the rest? Thin client tablets? Giving each student a laptop to take home? Although, obviously, cost is an issue, we have a significant budget, so it should not be the only consideration."

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  1. Create a portable lab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The old lab model is dead. Take your 20-30 computers, make them laptops, and available for any classroom use the teachers need. If demands becomes such that you can't meet demand, then you buy more. Add wireless throughout the place, and you should be set.

    1. Re:Create a portable lab by h4rm0ny · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Use blackboards or interactive white boards. Teach basic subjects. IT as a subject in British schools is deeply flawed. Teach English, not Microsoft Word. Teach maths, not Excel spreadsheets. IT is a nightmare to teach to unwilling kids in a school and relatively pointless. So children really need lessons on Word?

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    2. Re:Create a portable lab by berend+botje · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And get the kids to learn the curriculum, not how to fake it by Wikipedi-ing the answers and surfing for porn the rest of the class.

      Computers in the classroom add nothing.

      If anything, use the old lab model. That way the kids aren't distracted when learning normal stuff.

    3. Re:Create a portable lab by Tobenisstinky · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nooooo! We deployed wireless as a solution w/laptops...worst decision ever made. Wireless is fine for the home with 1-5 clients, but with a classroom full, speed is pitiful. Unless you plan for 5-6 access points per room, don't do it. Also battery life is fine when the units are new, and there are also issues with users remembering to recharge them when done, theft, damage, etc. Desktops are much better. On that note, the iMacs are great. All in one unit, and you can 'secure' everything with one cable-tie IMHO

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    4. Re:Create a portable lab by hattig · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Damn right.

      I don't think there was a problem with blackboards and chalk for learning, computers were for IT lessons, not for every lesson. They are incredibly distracting machines.

      The teachers should have one, to find and get resources for lessons. Indeed a projector + screen for each classroom makes sense, under the teacher's control. I suggest Linux + OpenOffice for presentations, or Macs + iWork (KeyNote), because a teacher cannot risk Windows, cannot risk the chance of getting bad software like that poor teacher in the US that got fired and nearly got 40 years for using a hijacked computer.

    5. Re:Create a portable lab by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Computers with chat programs and web browsers are a massive distraction, yes.

      Maybe the routers in the classrooms could block access to msn, facebook, etc.

      That wouldn't stop them from surfing for porn though.

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    6. Re:Create a portable lab by ghetto2ivy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Interactive whiteboards are crap. There is little teaching theory behind there effective use. They can't be used as regular whiteboards when computers or networks are down or bulbs burn out, and they lock you into proprietary formats that will burn you if you ever want or need to switch.

      If I had to do the same, and someday I may, I'd load up a customized linux distro on netbooks and have them available on carts. Save your money for the good classroom projectors, splurge on the network -- buy good routers, get good coverage, get good bandwidth -- and reserve a repair and replacement budget. Few people remember to budget for good printers, digital cameras, a few webcams, digital mics, a few digital camcorders. The idea would be to give kids access and permission to create media. Good projectors are worth it because the teachers don't have to turn off the lights to use them.

      Above all else: Budget for things to break and get stolen! Don't scare teachers and kids into not using the equipment!

    7. Re:Create a portable lab by johnw · · Score: 5, Informative

      IT as a subject in British schools is deeply flawed.

      You're not kidding. ICT (as they call it) as taught at GCSE level is an almost totally made up subject. If you went in to an exam with, say, just 20 years of experience in software development then you'd pass but you wouldn't get a top grade. To do that you need to learn the parallel world of the ICT examiner.

      An example question - sorry I don't have the paper here so I can't quote it verbatim, but the essence is correct.

      "Given a computer and an Internet connection, what else do you need to be able to access the web?"

      First thoughts about this question tend to come up with all sorts of possible answers. You can be silly and say "a monitor", or "a mains lead for the computer", but then you settle down and try to think of sensible answers. Discarding, "an operating system" I settled on "a web browser".

      Trouble is, it was a multiple choice question and that wasn't one of the options. I can't remember all the options now but I can tell you that the right answer (in the parallel world of GCSE ICT) was, "An ISP".

      Huh! Hang on a minute - you said I'd already got an Internet connection. Apparently not - in the parallel world of the examiners you can have an Internet connection without having an ISP, and said Internet connection won't work until you identify an ISP.

      It's a very silly subject, and teaches practically nothing about real IT. It's more a training course in how to use Microsoft Office.

    8. Re:Create a portable lab by Firethorn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1. When I was in school, classes were 50 minutes, I don't imagine this has changed much. 1 hour would be sufficient. Besides, especially with a large budget, you'd simply provide an outlet beside each desk., or even go to desks with the outlets in them.

      2. Computers today are cheap enough to provide one to each student, even if it's only for a few classes.

      3. Now this IS a concern for me - you can't just buy consumer level laptops, they'll take far too much abuse over the course of a year. This happened with a few of the ones that tried to issue laptops to the kids.

      I'd be tempted to go with desktop units(cheaper, harder to steal), and roaming profiles. Maybe even thinnet clients. More expensive, but at least you keep the valuable pilferable equipment out of the classrooms.

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    9. Re:Create a portable lab by hoyty · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you use a wireless solution designed for the environment you have it can work quite well. I have 300-400 active wireless clients daily. I just didn't use wi-fi equipment made for someone's house. I have one access point per 3-4 rooms but they also overlap coverage and load balancing. Putting 5-6 access points in one room would actually makes things far worse most likely since the clients would be constantly roaming and channel overlap would ruin speed.

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    10. Re:Create a portable lab by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...And then the sysadmin spends 99% of his time updating the file because of so many requests from teachers. For example, they try to go look at a website for a conference they are going to, blocked. The website they accessed fine at home to teach kids about something, blocked. Then there is the fun of a website being allowed but contains data from another website (such as a embedded flash movie) that ends up failing because its blocked. Plus then it is nearly impossible for kids to research about any topic because it may not be in the 4000 or so whitelisted sites.

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    11. Re:Create a portable lab by KillerBob · · Score: 4, Informative

      I wouldn't go 100% with *thin* clients, but some smarts would be quite adequate. Set up one or two superservers, and a whole bunch of VIA C7 boxen with cheap 17" LCD's and the barest hard drive. Just enough to boot up an X server and connect via XDMCP to t he superserver. That way you can set them up without any optical drives, and safely keep the USB disconnected. You don't really need to worry that the terminal is underpowered, as long as the network that it's connecting to has the bandwidth for XDMCP.... 100mbit (which every C7-board I've ever seen has onboard) is more than adequate... maybe connected into a gigabit or 10gbit switched connection to the server.... client to switch is 100mbit, switch to server is gigabit.

      They run quiet, they run cold, and nobody in their right mind would steal them. :) They also use very little electricity, and are dirt cheap... you can put together a client similar to what I'm proposing for $200 per unit... That could be an enormous savings in implementing the system (just because the math is easy, and it's in the ballpark, I'll assume $500 per desktop/laptop)... even if you design around one server per 10 clients (realistically, any single server should be able to handle closer to 20-30 clients under load), that's still $3000 per server that you get to play with to keep the same budget. You can buy a lot of computer for $3000... my current superserver cost less than 1/3 of that, and it's got a quad core 2.5GHz processor, a 1.5TB RAID, and 8GB of RAM. (bought it in March 2008). Set up roaming profiles so that the servers can handle the same user connecting to potentially more than one server, and you're off to the races.

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    12. Re:Create a portable lab by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Informative

      I deal with actual thin net clients at work; they can be had even cheaper than those C7 boxes, and probably use even less energy. They use a small amount of flash instead of a HD for the OS and connection stuff. They don't even have fans.

      With proper software/remote systems on the back end, you don't even need 'roaming profiles', the backend handles the details of transferring clients and even sessions between servers.

      Depending on settings you can even use thumbrives with the sessions. While clients are available with CD drives; ours deliberately don't.

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    13. Re:Create a portable lab by bears · · Score: 2, Informative

      Amen.

      Every year my oldest's school has a careers evening. So last week, like the previous 2 years, I went along and talked to random passers-by about coding for living.

      The first year I got asked a load of questions about GCSE/A-levels, and so last year read the ICT GCSE and A-level syllabuses. I think the screams could be heard down the road. The note on course projects in the A-level syllabus provoked the loudest. Something like 'You should use a common computer application for your project. Writing a program using a general-purpose programming language is outside the spirit of this course and will be marked accordingly.'.

      There is some light on the horizon. Her school have dumped A-level ICT and now only offer A-level Computing. This is a very different kettle of fish. I was positively purring by the time the syllabus got onto having to learn an assembler...

    14. Re:Create a portable lab by Daengbo · · Score: 3, Informative

      He really needs to look at K12LTSP and get on the mailing list for this question. It has been asked quite a few times in the last seven years.

    15. Re:Create a portable lab by mpeskett · · Score: 4, Funny

      I took that GCSE a couple of years back... there's a handful of multiple choice questions from the exam that I won't forget quickly.

      One described a service similar to Google Earth (same basic thing but without the brand name) and asked why it couldn't be used by the police to catch criminals. Alongside the correct answers that it wasn't real-time and didn't have high enough resolution there was "because criminals could hide under umbrellas" and "because you could only catch fat criminals, not thin ones"

      Another was to tick all the true statements about RFID chips... as well as the sensible ones there was the absolute gem, "You shouldn't keep too many close together in case they join together and form an evil network". No joke, their words not mine. Evil network.

      Over the course of the past papers we did we gradually learned the stock answers that the examiners were looking for... truly was a parallel world that they were living in.

      Seems our school had realised that it was a shitty course - ours was the last year before they switched to a different exam board's IT course, with a different syllabus that was apparently much better.

  2. This is a waste of time and money. by onion2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm UK taxpayer. This question highlights what I think is an endemic problem with the UK teaching system, and frankly the whole of the civil service:

    This sort of thing shouldn't even be up for debate.

    Developing this sort of infrastructure on a school-by-school basis is incredibly stupid. There should have been a central government review of the options prior to the latest run of school building, and a proper IT spending policy should have been worked out then. Having the decision made by the headteacher and a couple of staff (only one or two of whom are likely to be remotely qualified to understand all the options) means one school ends up with a much better or worse IT system than another. That is plain wrong. It's not fair on the kids.

    To answer the question, for the love of God find out how the other schools near you have faired with their systems and copy the best one. Do not do go it alone (or alone with lots of Slashdotters).

    1. Re:This is a waste of time and money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well said, slashdot is not the place to ask this as we are not educators we are geeks. So the suggestions here are most likely going to be what would be the geeks ideal of what a school should be like.

      As onion2k says, consult other schools to find out how they utilize IT and what has proven to help with the children's education primarily in improving their learning and also secondly what has encouraged children to take an interest in technology.

      Follow the lead of others not listen to what a bunch of geeks think is their ultimate wet dream for a high tech school.

    2. Re:This is a waste of time and money. by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I generally agree, I fear that the result would be a "one size fits all" solution, which would rigidly be implemented no matter whether you're going to use 10 or 10,000 PCs. At the very least the school board (or whatever solution the UK has for nation wide school decisions) cough up a few "suggestions", get into negotiations with nationwide supplyers of hard- and software (which should also result in some neat conditions and prices) and also some providers of maintainance. We're talking about computers for teenagers, you WILL need maintainance!

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    3. Re:This is a waste of time and money. by stranger_to_himself · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Developing this sort of infrastructure on a school-by-school basis is incredibly stupid. There should have been a central government review of the options prior to the latest run of school building, and a proper IT spending policy should have been worked out then. Having the decision made by the headteacher and a couple of staff (only one or two of whom are likely to be remotely qualified to understand all the options) means one school ends up with a much better or worse IT system than another. That is plain wrong. It's not fair on the kids.

      I diagree. At the moment it is not possible for the government to decide and enforce a policy, because the evidence is simply not there (regarding which way would be best) to do it.

      We need newish schools to develop and evolve their own systems so we can see what works, and ONLY THEN roll it out nationwide.

      This government is usually too quick not too slow to implement policies in healthcare and education at a national level without letting them work themselves out first. This is the real waste of money.

    4. Re:This is a waste of time and money. by amclay · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This should be decided school by school, because each school may have a different demographic, and that could quite possibly change the type and quantity of technology used.

      That being said, your suggestion at looking at other school districts and finding out what has worked for them is a great idea. Our school recently put in "Elmos," which are mounted digital cameras for projectors which were put into each room.

      Most of my teachers started using them, and they saved a lot of time, because they could show the class the pice of paper, and not have to look/get a transparency of the paper. It also gives them more options as far as showing short clips, or powerpoints, or stuff like that.
      So review:
      1) Teacher workstation in each room, with projector and an "Elmo."

      2) Computer labs, with thin or fat clients, depending on your needs.

      3) Laptop carts, so individual classes can use a set of laptops if needed.

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    5. Re:This is a waste of time and money. by mollymoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Developing this sort of infrastructure on a school-by-school basis is incredibly stupid. There should have been a central government review of the options prior to the latest run of school building, and a proper IT spending policy should have been worked out then. Having the decision made by the headteacher and a couple of staff (only one or two of whom are likely to be remotely qualified to understand all the options) means one school ends up with a much better or worse IT system than another. That is plain wrong. It's not fair on the kids.

      Not fair on the kids? Forcing everybody to use exactly the same stuff is what's not fair on the kids. The school in question is a City Academy, (strictly they're just called Academies now). They are usually schools which have failed in the standard Local Education Authority framework for whatever reason. Sometimes that's down to bad management, but usually because they're in a deprived area. The one-size-fits-all approach has already failed for that school, or they wouldn't be an academy. Academies are intended to have more freedom than normal schools over things like this, so they have the freedom to apply the approaches which actually work for their kids. They will frequently not be the same approaches which work for successful Secondary schools in middle-class areas. Some schools need a better X, even if it's at the expense of an inferior Y, because that's what's best for the kids they have to teach. Not doing what's best for the kids by forcing their schools to conform to some centrally mandated policy is what would be unfair.

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    6. Re:This is a waste of time and money. by WarwickRyan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed, it's a complete and total waste of money.

      I'm 28, and when I was at school we often had trouble due to lack of money for text books. Yet now there's talk of giving all the kids laptops?

      Back then I'd spend my IT lessons playing games (or doing homework), as the teachers were basically clueless about everything.

      Spend the money on more teachers, or as some other posters have mentioned invest it in the science lab. Don't buy a load of PCs which'll just be used to waste time on.

    7. Re:This is a waste of time and money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Iain here (OP), posting as AC.

      Just to clarify, agree or not, one of the points of City Academies was to provide certain schools with the freedom to explore innovative solutions that may well be rolled out nationwide. As such we have different restrictions and resources to other local schools (which by the way are a mix of tablet only, thin client, fat client and mixed solutions).

      Personally I disgree with prescribed solution for all schools as each school has very specific needs, besides this was not the point of the question as I obviously have no input into Government policy (interesting topic, just not the one I wanted to raise).

      I'd also like to clarify that while the writeup does show my inclination to an all techology based system, it is my awareness of my personal bias that prompted me to submit this story. Taken as a whole /. has much wider and deeper experience and knowledge than I could hope to have myself, and I wanted people that disagree with me to help me clarify my thinking.

      Thanks to all respondents. I really appreciate all opinions.

    8. Re:This is a waste of time and money. by itzdandy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This should be decided school by school, because each school may have a different demographic, and that could quite possibly change the type and quantity of technology used.

      wow, demographics in school. is this seriously something you consider to be acceptable? demographics in school creates a division in the education level. demographics are something that is learned about in school but should not be applied to school for the purpose of learning. maybe for security, but not for learning.

      1) Teacher workstation in each room, with projector and an "Elmo."

      2) Computer labs, with thin or fat clients, depending on your needs.

      3) Laptop carts, so individual classes can use a set of laptops if needed.

      I find that having a desktop scanner/elmo scanner and a workstation at the teacher's desk with a projector is sufficient. A lot of classroom teaching requires or benefits little from the student having access to a laptop. but giving the teacher the ability to throw some document up on the projector is very very handy. even better is if the teacher has a touchscreen computer so that they can draw directly on the document and then print the thing when done. This is a modest investment for each classroom and has tangible benefits.

      I am a big fan of the LTSP. I can get referb HP or Dell workstations with 2Ghz CPUs and 1GB RAM for under $100 plus a $100 monitor. These make great Thin clients and simplify administration and security. You can put together a computer lab with 40 workstations for $8,000-$10,000 with some volunteer work from the local LUG. Additionally you can run many windows products on WINE or via a Terminal Server and the RDP client or better yet, use open sources apps.

    9. Re:This is a waste of time and money. by arkhan_jg · · Score: 4, Informative

      1) Teacher workstation in each room, with projector and an "Elmo."

      2) Computer labs, with thin or fat clients, depending on your needs.

      3) Laptop carts, so individual classes can use a set of laptops if needed.

      This is the setup I would go for. We have a very similar setup in a private school of about 600 pupils. We have 4 large fixed labs (25+) which any department can use for individual lessons, including internet based classes such as ECDL and some learning support based material. Each department also has at least one mini-lab of up to 12 computers used for individual lessons.

      The individual teacher workstations plus projector, active whiteboard and dvd/vhs player + audio are probably the most effective IT in the school. We also have them in the lecture halls, for larger presentations.

      There is also one laptop cart for roving use, and we're likely to get another soon. Thin clients are fine for light-use areas, and thick clients for areas such as DT, MFL and IT. Don't forget you're going to need a beefy wifi infrastructure to support significant numbers of laptops; something like aruba, rather than a horde of crappy individual waps.

      There are two main issues. Training, and support. Without sufficient ongoing IT in education training for the teaching staff, ANY resources you put in will be underused. Equally, you MUST have sufficient IT staff to keep the labs running and the teacher whiteboard machines operational in short order, in addition to your central systems and servers staff. Keep the machines locked down tight, and use central software deployment and a quick imaging system to keep downtime to a minimum, or thin clients for the same reasons.

      Individual personal laptops/netbooks for the students will significantly increase your overheads in terms of both infrastructure and support. Most of our students have their own laptops for things like homework, but they're not integrated into lessons, given the likelyhood of them having viruses, dodgy software and the students using them to goof off in lessons. It can work for older students (6th form), but it will be a massive headache in actually trying to teach with non-school controlled laptops in the lower years.

      Server wise, I can strongly recommend a virtualised solution (we use vmware esx + SAN, but xen + management tools such as citrix also works). Don't forget to build your switch fabric robust enough for growth, including easy vlan management and layer 3 routing where needed. vlan'ing your teacher pcs away from curriculum pcs, and wireless laptops vlan'd away from everything else is hopefully a no brainer.

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    10. Re:This is a waste of time and money. by amclay · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Demographics don't necessarily mean race or ethnicity. If your school is located in a poorer neighborhood, it would be helpful to have more access to computers in school. (closer to a 1/1 ratio of people/computers)

      However, if you lived in an area where people have access to Internet and computers at home, you don't have to have a computer for every single person. You may still labs, but you wouldn't have quite the need for 1/1 capacity.

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    11. Re:This is a waste of time and money. by Sinus0idal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Somewhat unfortunately, I agree. Having fairly recently been a student at a UK city academy, AND afterwards been the IT admin in more than one, they tend to spend a massive amount of money on tech, for which the majority of teachers have no idea how to use. If anything the budget should be split in half, and half go to tech, and half go to teaching people how to use it. Hundreds of thousands spent on interactive whiteboards is pointless if no one has any idea how to use them. In addition, computers ARE very distracting, even if they are locked down to hell. At least with a textbook I can't spend half my lesson trying to get around the lockdowns, or seeing what internet pages weren't blocked, or reading slashdot. I think there is quite a niche in the market for education software that isn't quite covered or well known yet. An easy way to cusomise web use for a lesson would be a start, rather than global blocking - "for this lesson this bunch of PCs in this classroom can only access this webpage, and this application" would be a neat feature. I'm sure it's available somewhere, but it's not well known and probably not free (unless you want to be scripting it yourself - this needs to be something a teacher can do). Anyway blabbering - as a UK taxpayer, I too would like some more thought to go into the way school IT is run, maybe a government policy, but without stifling those schools which actually have good IT techs who spend wisely (few and far between).

    12. Re:This is a waste of time and money. by An+dochasac · · Score: 2, Informative

      Pay a visit to Bradford U.K. and check out their Sun Ray ultra thin client based infrastructure. (disclosure) I wrote the login manager but if you decide to use a Linux or OpenSolaris distribution, you can throw that out as well as the cost of (N) Microsoft Windows licenses. My back o the envelope guesstimate: Sun Ray Thin client: 4 Watts * 2000 desktops * 200 days * 8 hours = 12800 Kwh * .1p/kwh = 1280. Typical P.C.: 80 Watts * 2000 * 200 days * 8 hours = 25600 Kwh * .1p/kwh = 25600 You can probably get away with 1 or 0.5 sysadmins to manage 2000 thin client desktops. Maybe 2 or 3 for Linux fat clients depending on how close together the schools are. Windows? I don't know, 10? 15?

    13. Re:This is a waste of time and money. by Yuuki+Dasu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I teach in public schools, and taking into consideration what you say about this type of school, I have to say that most suggestions here are not seeming very helpful.

      They're tech for tech's sake.

      Kids generally have a hard time staying focused on a task. This is why computers are such a nightmare. There are few tasks that really call for students to use computers - mostly, these tasks are to do research, to type up assignments, and to learn about computers (typing, programming, etc).

      The focus of a school needs to be on educating. Your IT solution needs to grow out of that, not the other way around - the question needs to be, "What do we need to teach these subjects more effectively?" instead of the technophile's approach of "What can we do if we give these kids a whole bunch of computers?"

      As a teacher, I find myself limited by the technology available at my fingertips, more than I am limited by the technology available to my students. Computers as a teaching aid are useful because of how easy they can make multimedia presentations. Look a few posts above for talk of Elmos, little digital cameras that allow you to use full-color sheets of paper, printouts, etc as, effectively, sheets for an overhead projector, without any of the hassles. See to it that there's a projector solution in each classroom and some basic audio features, and give your teachers hardcore training in 1) incorporating multimedia in their teaching curriculum, and 2) how to use the technology to present multimedia.

      Students do sometimes need to use computers themselves (for the reasons listed above). In those cases, I'd suggest dedicated computer labs. Laptops would be great, but the upkeep kills you - keeping track of them, keeping students from dropping them, etc. Set up a system with multiple OSes if you can, work on setting up interoperability between them (file formats and such), and then force kids to use all that you have available. That way you'll teach the kids how to use a computer, instead of how to use Microsoft Windows Office 2008, and help them learn the investigative skills needed to tackle any computer system.

  3. Tablet Cart, plz by shbazjinkens · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't have as much faith in a computer for every student, in every class.

    If it's anything like my college courses in the states, a lot of time might need to be devoted to keeping students on task, instead of checking social networking sites during class. Maybe things are different in Britain, though.

    In my High School we had a rolling cart with 30 laptops inside it, a central charging supply, a printer and a wireless network. This was maybe the best idea our IT department ever had because when the computers were necessary they could come to the classroom where they were needed without the logistics of moving a couple of dozen teenagers. When they're not needed, they can be put in buffer or sent to where they are. The downtime you'd normally see of computers in class is not wasted and the budget is more effectively applied to all of the classrooms. It sounds like my school was a lot smaller than the one you're serving at, so maybe a lot more carts are needed than just the one, of course.

    1. Re:Tablet Cart, plz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      i agree - most people 'taking notes' on laptops in lectures don't pay much attention to the lecture and instead are playing with their computer.

      Computers should only be introduced when they are necessary.

    2. Re:Tablet Cart, plz by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't have as much faith in a computer for every student, in every class.

      I think the big problem is that people don't necessarily ask and answer this question before they begin implementation: what are we trying to accomplish with these computers?

      I remember when they first started the "computer in every classroom" initiative in my state. It was during the tech bubble of the '90s, and there was a great sense that computers were the new thing, they were a big deal, and the kids should be exposed to them in education. Put them in the classroom, and students will be magically enriched by the experience.

      So they put a single computer into every classroom, and they sat there. There were occasional instances where students were allowed to use them to look something up online, but a few kids went looking for porn, and so next thing you know, students weren't allowed on the computers. Most of the teachers didn't really know how to use them, either, and the computers didn't have anything useful for the teachers anyhow (e.g. computerized grade books to test-creation software). So the computers just sat there and did nothing.

      I don't want to suggest that computer *can't* be useful. Obviously they're good for writing papers. I'm still keeping an eye out for stories about using textbooks with open licensing and digital distribution, which seems like a great direction for us to take over the long term. The potential is tremendous.

      I just believe that projects will generally be much more successful and efficient if you start by formulating a set of goals (and also perhaps things you'd like to avoid), and then figuring out what's necessary to meet those goals. Starting with a set of tools (which is what the computers would be) and then trying to figure out what you might be able to do with those tools tends to end less well.

    3. Re:Tablet Cart, plz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because you might just come out of school being socially well-adjusted, instead of the closed-in-nerd you are now.

    4. Re:Tablet Cart, plz by Idimmu+Xul · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And why exactly is that a bad thing? During the 14 years of my education I had exactly two teachers who told me anything that wasn't in the book.

      Of course, being the curious geeky type, I already read the book the day they made me buy it. Why should I pay attention if I pass the test with the highest score in the class?

      Not everyone is like you, if they were, why even have class rooms and educational establishments, why not just have a list of recommended reading, followed by an exam a week later and dispense with all the time wasted?

      You certainly wouldn't have benefited from playing on a computer whilst being stuck in a lecture hall, in your case not going to the lectures and doing something worth while instead would have been the way to aid your education.

      In my case, I got a part time job working from home, that perfectly complemented my degree, which I did whilst skipping classes.

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  4. What not to do by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Funny

    We used to use our textbooks as makeshift sleds... I'd recommend NOT giving every student a laptop to take home!

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  5. Sunray... by ender_wiggins · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lowest on going cost over all. And one admin to rule them all.

    1. Re:Sunray... by FLoWCTRL · · Score: 3, Informative

      I second that. Thin clients offer the best RIO due to their low ongoing operational costs. Basically you'll be paying for a good sysadmin, plus commercial software for the server, if you need that.

      Sunrays in particular are good because Solaris is free - you don't have per seat licensing fees (unless you're using them with Windows Server). If you need Windows, however, they can do that too.

      Another issue to consider is security and insurance costs. Sunrays are not an attractive target for thieves because they are useless without the server. You don't even need to lock them down. If you go with real computers instead of thin clients, you will have theft, and your insurance costs will be higher.

  6. Why? by willoughby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tell me why throwing computers at the students will educate them "better" than having a professor standing at the front of the room moving a magnet along a glowing glass tube filled with argon showing them how the magnetic field "collapses" the light into a ribbon, with the students first entranced and then eagerly scribbling notes. And then in the next class having the students find the flaw in a mathematical proof covering two blackboards which "proves" that 2+2=5.

    Stop thinking about computers & start thinking of the students.

    1. Re:Why? by porcupine8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can you put a high-enough-powered microscope in every classroom so that they can see what's going on at a molecular level, rather than just having it explained in the abstract that more energy makes molecules move faster? If not, a computer simulation might add something to their experience. Are there labs in your town where the students can help scientists collect and analyze real data? If not, an online collaboration with such scientists might make the pursuit of science a little more real to them.

      Sure, computers are not the answer to every educational problem. Traditional methods that work should not be thrown away. But to ignore all of the possible lessons that would not be possible without computers is very short-sighted, and unfairly limits the experiences the students might be able to have.

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  7. Portable == stolen by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Schools are particularly vulnerable to pilfering and burglary, so if you do have laptops make sure you have some physical means of securing them. Same deal for other equipment.

    If you are putting in a new school-wide network then wifi is probably a good idea. Just remember that every kid/teacher with a wifi-capable cell phone will try to use it too.

    If the school is being wired from scratch then put a couple of Cat6s into every classroom. These can always be reticulated withion a classroom with switches or wifi.

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    1. Re:Portable == stolen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Link is a shock site.

    2. Re:Portable == stolen by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would say, when studying math for the sake of math, it would certainly be useful to ban computers for much of the curriculum -- even calculators aren't needed. Then, when they start using them, they'll at least have a sense of when the computer is wrong.

      For writing, however, I don't see a significant advantage to not providing a computer. All the pen does is make your hand cramp...

      And for science, I would say, you already have to do it by hand in math, a computer would be useful in science, if it means you get to cover more ground, faster. But I'm not sure.

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    3. Re:Portable == stolen by Nutria · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would say, when studying math for the sake of math, it would certainly be useful to ban computers for much of the curriculum -- even calculators aren't needed. Then, when they start using them, they'll at least have a sense of when the computer is wrong.

      Amen, brother.

      For writing, however, I don't see a significant advantage to not providing a computer. All the pen does is make your hand cramp...

      I found that manual note taking (even though I am left-handed, and so smeared ink) ingrained the information in my brain better than listening.

      Word processors, though, are invaluable for drafting and writing "papers". Typewriters really suck!

      And for science, I would say, you already have to do it by hand in math, a computer would be useful in science, if it means you get to cover more ground, faster. But I'm not sure.

      All you need is a calculator. The manual act of plotting graphs (even when the point are generated by calculator) seemed to reinforce things for me.

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    4. Re:Portable == stolen by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I found that manual note taking (even though I am left-handed, and so smeared ink) ingrained the information in my brain better than listening.

      I find it depends how I do it.

      Mental mapping can be useful in some techniques, but I constantly found myself wishing I had a software tool to do it for me.

      When things are, in fact, best represented as a stream of text, I find it's much easier if I can type that quickly and get back to actually listening.

      But, YMMV.

      All you need is a calculator. The manual act of plotting graphs (even when the point are generated by calculator) seemed to reinforce things for me.

      I found it more useful when whole graphs could be generated quickly, and then I could ask questions like, what would it mean if I changed this value? What would have to change for the graph to look like this?

      Yes, calculus can solve those, but actually, probably the most valuable precalculus tool was Excel -- they made us generate a few tables, and look for a pattern, and only once we'd done it that way were we allowed to use that formula.

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    5. Re:Portable == stolen by Kizeh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Many vendors, such as HP and Dell, sell cabinets on wheels for laptops meant for classrooms. The laptops dock within the cabinet, so they can always be fully charged and connected to the network for maintenance without hassle of power adapters and plugging them in. You wheel the cabinet in the class, hand out the laptops, do your thing, collect the laptops, put them back in the cabinet, lock the door, done.

  8. Stay away from laptops and tablets! by tdwMighty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Stay away from laptops and tablets! The students will only get distracted. Pencil and paper work much better for most subjects. Also, probably an even bigger issue is the teachers are going to have to focus a lot of their time on working out bugs and learning IT stuff, when they should be focusing on TEACHING. Until Apple makes an idiot proof Epod, stay away from this please. My first year of college, half of the students played Diablo 2 every class. These students didn't make it to their second year.

    I think there is a future for this type of class, but not yet. The benefits would be automatic marking of multiple choice tests and math tests where you don't have to show your work. But there's just too many problems right now. Broken laptops, students looking at porn during classes, and instant messaging. Who's going to have the time to deal with all these distractions?

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    1. Re:Stay away from laptops and tablets! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Stay away from pencil and paper! The students only get lazy because they don't have to remember anything. Slates are much better for most subjects.

  9. Computer lab by SpinyNorman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm all for computers, having started programming back in '77 when a highcool math teacher took the private initiative to take some of us to an after school adult education class to learn programming, then building my own NASCOM-1 Z-80 kit in '78, and so on... I've been a professional programmer for over 25 years, and practically live on the computer at home doing hobbyist programming... So, I couldn't be a stronger advocate for the use and fun of using computers...

    That all said, I'd have to go with the traditional computer lab model, preferably not just as a resource for homework research etc, but as a place for schedules hands-on computer lessons as part of the curriculum whether it be programming or even general computer use. I don't really see a useful place for computers in the classroom as part of other lessons, as it seems it would only be a distraction. The "enriched interactive multimedia experience" story-line may sound good at some level, but all it's really going to mean is that time that could have been spent covering and explaining core lesson material is instead spent faffing around with computers, watching videos, dealign with computer probolems etc.

    If you want to have some cross-over between computer/programming classes and other lessons, then why not just encourage use of the internet as a research tool for homework assignments, maybe accept (or occasionally require) printed assignments as well as hand writen ones. This sort of approach would give the kids a useful introduction to preactical use of computers, an exposure to programming, but not do so at the expense of turning the core curruculum into am extended multimedia click-fest, and taking attention away from the teacher.

    If you do take the opposite approach and bring computers into the classroom, then consider the scale of effort requires to develop computer based courses that are the equal of the textbook based material you currently teach. This sounds more like a mult-year national level effort, rather than something that a few teachers are going to be able to hack together in your own school.

    I'd also echo what another poster wrote - don't go it alone! Reseach how other schools are using computers and what actually WORKS. Which schools have seen grades increase rather than decrease as a result of use of computers, and how does that correlate to the way they are using them?

  10. The teaching method is the key by xzvf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem with technology in school isn't the tech, but how it is shoehorned into the existing teaching atmosphere. Cramming technology in the traditional monolithic classroom doesn't gain very much. Since every child learns differently, the most effective method is one teacher/mentor per child. That doesn't fit into any public school budget, but effective use of technology can mimic that effect. Online courses, built on an open system like Moodle, can leverage your teachers time. The example of student centric teaching from "Disrupting Class" by Christensen,Johnson and Horn is a good read. While a large number of desktop/laptops is desirable, the real key to success is turning your teachers into coach/mentors that give one on one help while capturing their repetitive activities like lecturing, quiz giving, and administration and automating them. The infrastructure and the way you teach is far more important that what they use as a desktop interface.

    1. Re:The teaching method is the key by Korin43 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm just posting to second Moodle. It's not really part of the computer lab, but having something online like Moodle (and actually teaching the teachers how to use it) would have been incredibly helpful during junior high and high school. In my current college classes, with the few teachers who know how to use Blackboard (seriously, don't use Blackboard, Moodle is way better), it makes things a lot easier, like having the syllabus online, having a full course schedule always available, and having homework assignments available (who hasn't lost an assignment before?).

      On another note, getting laptops for every classroom is a huge waste of money. My English classroom in Junior High had its own laptops, and we used them maybe twice. Tablets would be interesting, but it would take far too much effort for little if any return if you got them.

  11. As an instructor, by Hoplite3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think a lot of this is snakeoil. If it isn't immediately clear what advantage the computer will bring to the lesson, don't use the computer. There are cases when it is clear that the computer brings a lot of positives, but it isn't all cases by a longshot.

    Computers can eat up class time with distractions and technical problems. And digital work lacks tangibility. Students respond better to paper homework with actual scores than to digital assignments with scores appearing on some webpage.

    I know that these problems may be solvable in the future, but they aren't solved now.

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  12. The one thing you really, really need by porcupine8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No matter what setup you choose, don't forget the most important ingredient: Training. Lots of it. Ongoing. Study after study has shown that technology only gets truly integrated into the classroom if both teachers and administrators get ongoing, regular professional development around both using it and working it into the curriculum. Not just one session before the start of the school year - at least a couple of years' worth of regular sessions to help them figure out how to use it in the lessons they're teaching. Without that, whatever you get will just go to waste.

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  13. USB drives as an option by mysticgoat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A relatively new option that should be looked at is providing each student with their own USB drive, at a cost of 10USD to 100USD each, depending on whether flash or spinning, and size. Load these with a standard image of portable FOSS software (assuming you are using Windows, look at the Portable Apps web site. There will be room enough for a full suite of portable applications plus storage for all text a student might author in the course of year. Plus, with the larger drives, enough room for libraries of whatever. Be worth the while to check what's now available through the Open CourseWare initiatives of MIT, Carnegie Mellon, and a host of other institutions. Some of it may be appropriate to the students in question, and you can't beat the price or accessibility.

    A key to this approach is loading a portable image of Firefox that is preconfigured with the bookmarks and other features the school wants the students to have access to.

    This showed a great deal of promise in an adult ed "Preparation For The WorkPlace" environment I was associated with until last July. The software was well received by students, especially Firefox with its bookmarks. They got very comfortable using it. These were on 1 GB thumb drives, which was more than adequate in size.

    The portable OpenOffice.org component was not well received by those teachers who were already very defensive about their minimalist skill level with Microsoft Office, but that kind of resistance (of teachers being required to learn new software) is a separate issue that has to be faced no matter how software in the schools is updated.

  14. Less is better... by Talsan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Computers are wonderful tools, but for most subjects students learn at that point in their lives (middle/high school in the US), computers aren't necessary.

    Think about the primary subjects - Math, Science, and Literature/Writing - where do you see the benefits in using computers? Obviously for English classes, having access to computers to type papers is handy, but it's hardly necessary. Computers can be used in math to help illustrate concepts, but you don't want the students using computers to do their work, otherwise they won't know how to do it without them. And much of science is math - again, not something you want students using computers for.

  15. Thin Client experience by happyslayer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I do IT for a medical practice. What we ended up with was a central server running Fedora and LTS, with thin clients in each of the exam rooms and in the doctor's office.

    This had all the benefits of getting the records available in each room without having to go through individual updates. There are still fat clients/full workstations in the office, but those are primarily for the other work--office manager, accounting, etc.

    since each grade level is different (different lessons, different requirements), I would suggest having a server either for each classroom, grade level, or department. For example, your math classes would need different software (and access) than your English class. You could even set up your foreign-language classes to have the locale set to the language they teach--the kids would have to learn French, Spanish, Russian, etc to use the computers...and the casual contact with that language would reinforce the lessons.

    True, you would lose some of the benefits of "one admin to rule them all," but the software and changes would be compartmentalized--and the Computer instructors could even have more free reign to fix (or damage) their systems as they see fit.

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  16. Avoid tablet PCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm a senior in a private high school where every student has a tablet PC. Save for a few particularly tech-savvy teachers, it's quite lackluster compared to how the plan looks on paper.

    First of all, you're looking at high upfront costs. A Lenovo X60 tablet, the model we use, runs between $1,500 and $2,000, and if you include the $300 yearly "technology fee" my school tacks on (presumably to pay the tech department's salaries), that's a pretty steep cost no matter who's paying it.

    Which brings us to the maintenance side of things. Teenagers break cars, cell phones, and other crap all the time - why should they not be expected to drop (or in some cases, throw - yes I've witnessed it) their tablets to the floor? Maintenance costs are very likely to go through the roof, and I promise you that over the course of the first two years, you're going to see maintenance costs eclipse the upfront cost.

    Moreover, you'll probably need a porn filter to keep them from looking up boobs, MySpace or YouTube. That requires servers, and you're probably looking at close to 50-100 requests per second at peak times. Meaning your transparent proxy will require some serious big iron to handle everything. Make sure your bandwidth is at least 20Mbit/sec, and be ready to block LimeWire, Bittorrent, and other bandwidth-sucking and potentially illegal traffic that your transparent HTTP proxy won't catch.

    Lastly, if students have their own tablets and a virus goes rampant throughout your LAN (again, I have witnessed this) reformatting every laptop will be not only a pain in the ass, but also traumatic for students that don't know how to/don't feel like making backups. XP Tablet is also very unstable in my experience, so also think about whether you want to go the Linux route which of course will require manual configuration and extra training.

    As for staff, my school has about 170 students in grades 7-12, and our tech department includes a director of technology (ana management), a repair technician, and a network admin. So you're looking at maybe 1 technician per 150 students plus one network admin per ~300 to help with auditing, server maintenance, and security.

    All this, and how often does my school use these tablets? Maybe once a week they're a mandatory part of my classes. Most students (myself included) still do most notes on pen and paper and all of my teachers except for one give out all assignments on paper. To be honest, our tablets are probably used more for gaming (think, 2D Flash games) and who-can-find the-first-working-proxy-to-browse-Facebook contests.

    Oh yeah. If any of your students know how to use SSH, and you allow unfiltered connections on ANY TCP port, your filtering will be down the tubes in seconds. Yes, I bypassed the porn filter 5 minutes before school started the first day two years in a row, and a few other students did too.

    Just a few things to keep in mind if you do a tablet program. Sorry for any typos or inconsistency, I'm on an iPod touch and my thumbs cannot keep up with my brain.

  17. I work with Asus EEEs in UK school by fantomas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am working with Asus EEE PCs in a Milton Keynes school -I am at the Open University and we are part of the Personal Inquiry project. Happy to chat offline if you'd like to hear about our experiences.

    Main issues: variable levels of student computer literacy, support and management of laptops, making sure the devices transparently connect to the school network, other school computers on shared drives and home networks, ethical issues (schools and homes having different policies on what students can access), students using laptops as tool to play with instead of working (i.e. using the games/distraction software and functionalities).

  18. Old Skool Works! by MBHkewl · · Score: 2, Informative

    I live in Kuwait and during my time in college, instructors have tried various "electronic" solutions like a smart board or a basic power point presentation, avoiding being interactive with students on a blackboard.

    In all cases, it was always a bad idea. The smart board had problems (virus infcetions, IP conflicts, windows crashes, ...etc.) and power point presentations were dull -- myself and many others were almost asleep and drooling (and I was sitting in the first row!).

    The instructor's solution to the power point presentation pandemic? Back to the blackboard and everyone woke up.

    I'm in for well-maintained labs, and would stir away from giving each student a laptop/tablet. The students would abuse those machines much more than they'd benefit from them.

    Teachers are there to interact with students, but by giving each student a machine, the attention would be diverted to these boxes and teachers would start pushing content into students' boxes...

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  19. Thin Client is great by dotwaffle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here's a scenario for you, that will cater to your needs:

    Buy the most power machine money can buy - up to about £3000 in terms of CPU power, lots of RAM, and every storage slot filled with high capacity storage - stick with SATA if available, otherwise SAS disks will do.

    Then, go to Viglen, and buy their crappy little £79 PCs that go on the back of the monitor with a VESA mount. They're shockingly underpowered - 400MHz, but they make fantastic thin clients.

    You can run about 100 think clients on such a system, and it'll work really nicely.

    However, it being a school - there's no chance it'll take off, and you'll be stuck with the same rubbish everyone else is.

    As an IT professional, I actually am against computers in schools. Typing is all well and good, but kids these days already know Google and Word, anything they actually need for modern business is pretty much self-taught or taught at their first place of employment.

    Computers are the bane of the modern UK school system.

  20. Laptop Carts, maybe one room with a few desktops by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 2, Informative

    Laptop Carts are the way to go. They are small, efficient, mobile, and more than enough for any task needed in school.

    I'd say 1-2 carts with a classroom's worth of laptops, a wireless router/AP, and wireless printer (or regular printer plugged into a wireless router/ap that can act as a print server). Brand would be whoever can offer the best support contract, Dell, HP, etc. Stay away from OLPC or EEE's while I love Open Source they are too crippled and you can always install Linux (or live CDs) on a regular laptop if the desire is there.

    Then if there would be the room/money available have one lab with desktops for any/all other needs. The other item would be USB thumbdrives for each student (they can be reasonably small like 1GB) and lock out the ability to save to anything but the thumbdrives. A projector may be useful for the cart too.

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  21. Old School? by peterofoz · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I vote for paper, pencil, and flowchart templates. That way beginning users don't get confused by all the tech stuff and learn how to think. Nothing makes you think and plan ahead like drawing flowcharts by hand.

    Beyond IT uses for the computers, I recommend the following rather than their computer simulations:

    • Real wood and clay for art classes - get dirty
    • Real books to curl up with by the fireplace for literature
    • Real test tubes, worms & fish, and magnets for sciences
    • Real slide rule, pencils and rulers for math.
    • Real track, field, balls, and gym for physical education
    1. Re:Old School? by EEBaum · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hear hear! (though the slide rule is a bit outmoded, I think... in any case, very little in math class requires a calculator).

      If the budget is significant, I'd add to the list real musical instruments.

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  22. Have you seen... by RotateLeftByte · · Score: 2, Funny

    The price of slate these days?

    Oh for smileys on /.

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  23. No, they should NOT negotiate by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2, Insightful

    with hardware and software suppliers! If they do, you will end up with expensive Windows systems, and inferior commercial software with "good" prices.

    Major hardware and software vendors already have established deals for educational institutions. Linux distributions like Ubuntu are (by most accounts) superior to Windows, and cost nothing.

    My recommendation would be to use Linux and other open-source software. Open Office does most of what Microsoft Office does. There is graphics software, video-editing software, and software of every variety you could want, all open-source and little to no cost.

    But if they start to "negotiate" with commercial vendors, they will end up with commercial products at substantial cost, and questionable worth (comparatively speaking).

  24. LTSP by dvice_null · · Score: 3, Informative

    Use LTSP. Depending on the amount of clients, one or more servers and then many clients.
    - LTSP clients are cheap, and they don't need client side maintenance except for hardware failures.
    - Startup time for the computers is very small. With normal computers it can take 15 minutes to start up the computers, with LTSP it is a minute or less. This is important, because it is taken away from the school time.
    - LTSP clients don't have hard drives, so they dont' break so easily.
    - LTSP clients need less electricity, so you will save in electricity bills.
    - You will be practically virus free
    - Students can use any computer in any class (if you have them in several classes) and always get their own desktop.
    - New clients are cheap and easy to add to the netnwork (unless you add so many that you need to add servers also, but that is not very hard either)
    - Teachers can control the clients and easily e.g. disable them when they should not be used.
    - Maintenance is cheap as pretty much only the server needs maintenance.
    - Software licenses are free with Linux, OpenOffice.org etc.
    - It has been used in schools before and total savings in costs have been 70% compared to Windows desktop computers. (Note this is only one study and it contains the expenses from transforming a Windows environment into Linux environment)

    1. Re:LTSP by dfdashh · · Score: 2, Informative
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    2. Re:LTSP by bit01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      - Specialist software demanded by the teachers (and make no mistake, there's masses of it and a lot of it will be demanded) won't run because that tends to be Windows only.

      Unless you can solve this problem, you can provide the most fantastic system in the world and it'll be relegated to the sidelines.

      You are exaggerating. Most educational "specialist software" these days are web pages.

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  25. The Science of Education by JSBiff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You know, this is one of those areas where I wish educational systems would take a more scientific approach to these types of problems. It's pretty much the same way here in the U.S.

    There seems to be little 'method' to the ways we try to figure out the 'best' ways to integrate IT into education.

    It seems to me that in situations like this, schools could benefit from systematically applying the scientific method - Observations, Hypothesis, Prediction, Experiment, Analysis. (Repeat as necessary.)

    Start building a *theory* of education and IT, and then make your school IT decisions and budgets based upon the body of theory thus developed.

    So, this means that you gather lots of ideas from all sorts of people (everyone from Education Ph.Ds, down to teachers and IT staff at the schools, even to interested members of the public who have ideas) about how IT could be better implemented in education, and start using a small number of schools as experimental test beds (and other schools as 'control data' for the experiments).

    These experiments should be, first, submitted to and approved by some national 'school board', or at least something like a group of professors at a University education department, who are tasked with tracking and eventually reporting on the results. From the results, this 'school board', or university task force, or whoever is responsible, can start creating recommendations and best practices.

  26. Backbone by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would start with wiring the building and then if you have a need to establish a lab, then you simply add local switches as necessary. I realise that there is a move to wireless networks, but they don't achieve the necessary speeds for certain applications, and prevents you from easily making your network secure. While this may not matter to students, for the administration this may be an issue. Once you have your physical infrastructure in place, then depending on usage requirements, you add severs and PCs according to needs. I tend to try to try to establish a network where Linux, MacOS X and Windows can all share resources, since that way there is no need to deal with multi-platform support as an after thought.

    The other thing is to ensure that a competent systems administrator is in place ;)

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  27. The Wrong Approach... by teknoviking · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The major reason computer technology deployments for K-12 education (in the US at least..)and failed to deliver on it's promises while becoming a black hole of spending in the 90s and early 2000's, is that the approach was similar to the one you describe here.

    Back then, we gave teachers and administrators the latest, greatest technology and expected them to figure out how to use it in order to make instruction better. Some teachers did just that, but they were few and far between. These early adopters created pockets of technology and inconsistency/inequality of instruction across the school landscape. In the worst cases, the technology sat gathering dust in the classroom closet.

    Several years ago I participated in a large-scale Gates Foundation grant to study various models of instruction and gather measurable data about those models. ( Before you jump up-and-down about Micro$oft dealing Windows to our kids, you should know that of the 9 million in grant funding, only 10% could be spent on technology... the majority had to be used to study the instructional outcomes of the various school models.)

    As the result of that study we found a number of proven technologies and techniques that helped to enhance the learning experience.

    1) Before you buy a single piece of Tek, you need an instructional technology plan that will show how the equipment and software that you choose will create the instructional outcomes you want. Results MUST be measurable so that you can share them with the public (partial to justify the expense...) and instructional staff so that you can build and refine your techniques. The plan should be at least 3 years in depth and be flexible enough to absorb changes in administration and instructional staff. If you do not do this first, all the tek in the world wont help you educate kids.

    2) Develop a support plan and a refresh cycle. This is the IT side of the house. You plan should include long term training both for new staff and a constant refreshers for existing staff. You want admin computing (see #3 below ) to be a no-brainier so you can concentrate your resources on the instructional side of the house.

    3) Deploy a standardized technology to instructors and administrators in order to cover the rote administrative tasks like grading, email, communication, Internet research, and word processing. Thin client works very well for this. It's robust and consistent.

    4) No Classroom Computers in Grades K-3: Children at these ages need to focus on interpersonal and cognitive skills. Computer Technology at this level has been shown in many studies to decrease the learning process.

    5) Deploy Smartboards, LCD Projectors, a Presentation PC with an attached "Elmo", and classroom sound amplification system (such as the "FrontRow" product). Of all this equipment, the piece that will make the most difference is the amplification system. This technology has been proven time and time again to increase student learning/comprehension and at the same time, reduce teacher absenteeism.

    6) Consider learning labs and mobile devices such as tablets and laptop carts, if they fit into your instructional technology and support plans and maximize your available resources.

    And just some tips from my own years of experience in edTek:

    -Break the low voltage data infrastructure wiring out from the general contractor who is building your new school. Generals don't understand the big-picture of data. Be sure that the IT staff is involved in the deployment and design of your plant.

    -Don't skimp on power outlets and data jacks!

    -Laptop carts can be very heavy when fully loaded. If you use them, go with more small ones with fewer laptops.

    -If you engage a consultant(s) to oversee your tek deployment, be sure they have lots of experience with school technology. Business folks often don't understand the differences that exist between the private sector and education.
    Don't fret over the Windows/Mac/Linux issue for instruction. If your teachers are edu

  28. Projectors in the classrooms by Brianwa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A new school went up in my area. They installed a projector mounted to the ceiling of every classroom, with wiring run through the wall to the teacher's computer, with additional hookups for elmos, DVD players, etc. That's a pretty nifty solution.

    At my school, there's a limited number of projector carts available, and an even smaller number of carts with their own computer or an elmo included. If a teacher planned a lesson around certain tools and suddenly the cart they need isn't available, they are out of luck. Some teachers end up purchasing their own equipment because they can't reliably get a hold of the school's. You should see some of the hack jobs that are done just to get a projector running - video cables suspended across pathways to a projector pointing at an angle to a wall, stuff like that.

  29. Bradford U.K. Building Schools for Future (BSF) by An+dochasac · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here is a link to information on the Bradford BSF deployment if you can't visit the school in person.

  30. Re:I've got a wad of money!!! by nicholdraper · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was too harsh in my criticism if thin clients. I've seen some excellent educational software delivered as thin clients. I've even worked on some. And at this point you could really teach using most business applications with thin clients. But, I still wouldn't want an entire school's technology limited to what runs in a web browser. Possibly it is because my own kids spend too much time on the web and on the little screens on their phones, I would like them to get deeper into some applications at school.

  31. Active Whiteboards by ccktech · · Score: 3, Informative

    I work for a school district in the US and the bang for your money is Active Whiteboards and software such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activstudio. It was incredible how this technology really enabled better teaching and interactions with the kids. The next thing is mobile labs of laptops. However, these do require a good wireless support network. ski

  32. An example: My college physics classes by JSBiff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think the Physics department at my university has done a good job of applying this principle. They used an online homework platform for most of the assignments for the General Physics classes I had to take as part of my engineering program. Now the thing about homework is, you don't really learn much from problems which you solved wrong, and then only learned you solved them wrong when they are marked incorrect by your teacher (which is the 'traditional' method). Usually, in such a traditional method, the teacher will hopefully spend some time in class going over problems students got wrong, so they could at least see the correct way to solve the problem, but it's still not as good a learning experience as when you figure out how to do it yourself.

    With this online homework platform, students got up to 5 chances to get the solution correct. That is, if you solved the problem, inputted your answer in the website, and your answer was not correct, it would notify you the answer was not correct (but would not tell you what the right answer is), and give you a chance to try again. I personally found this to be an excellent teaching tool - simply knowing that my answer was not right gave me the chance to go back and look at the problem, and try to figure out where my mistake was. Almost all of the time, I could figure out my mistake, and correct it within 1 or 2 tries - something I never had the opportunity to do in classes I took earlier in my academic career. I truly believe that having those additional chances to correct my own mistakes helped me to learn the material better.

    This is one example of something that is not easy to do without computers, but quite easy to do with computers.

  33. Trollfeed time: Why teach *current softs* is bad. by DrYak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's the point in teaching them Linux?

    The point of the parent wasn't to "teach linux" but to teach whatever subject the teacher is teaching (geography, maths, etc.) using free software to project the presentations, because the legal implications of using unlicensed proprietary software in a class room are financially dangerous.

    When they get out into the real world they will find out that most companies actually use Windows and MS Office. {...} Teach them what they need to know to get jobs.

    Well, that's the number 1 troll response that people get when they propose teaching with anything else but an exact replicate than what is currently in the workplace.
    This is demonstrably bad for a couple of reason :

    We're talking about a school. Not some preparatory training course for adults who will be in the workplace within 6 months. But teaching given to 11-19 y.o., who won't be in the workplace before 5-15 years. That's a pretty long time in the computer world.
    5 years is what separates several major revisions of softwares.
    And in 15 years, the landscape can change beyond recognition. 15 years ago Microsoft wasn't even such a big player in the office field.

    So in short, chances are very high that the software with which you teach kids today, and what they will encounter 5 to 15 years from now in the marketplace will share little in common.
    Therefor it matters little *what* software you teach them to use.
    See how skills under MS-Office 2003 map well with the new MS-Office 2007, and try to imagine how they could even remotely help some future MSO 2012 or MSO 2022 (if microsoft is still around by then and office suite are still used the same way).

    The only useful skill that can be taught today to the future is to be at ease with computers in general, and general knowledge about office softwares, etc...
    this could be done with any software at hand, and there are some good reasons to pick Linux and OOo.

    Mainly financial and legal ones :
    - the licensing will be cheaper for the school as OSS is free, whereas MSDNAA requires a tax based on school population.
    - also it will be easier and legal for the students to obtain free copies to use at home.
    (for example MSDNAA doesn't offer home license for MSO for students, only for teachers, whereas OSS is available for downloading for free).
    Currently, if a students wants to use the same software at home, either she/he has to shell out over a hundred buck (cheaper than the normal version, but still not an easy amount of money) or she/he has to p2p-download it from some shady website, putting the family at legal risk and the computer at security risk.

    Also other minor reasons :
    - teaching diversity : showing that there's more than only Microsoft might help spring more diversity in the corporate world.
    Current adults have grown up with a very diverse computing world in their childhood years with lots of different compagnies producing home microcomputers (Apple, Atari, Amiga, etc...) and an incredible lot of varied software solution.
    Whereas, current children and youngs have grown up in a world where there has been few thing on computers beside Windows and other microsoft branded software. Showing an inherently diverse world like Linux and OSS might help.

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