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New Law Will Require Camera Phones To "Click"

An anonymous reader writes "A new bill is being introduced called the Camera Phone Predator Alert Act, which would require any mobile phone containing a digital camera to sound a tone whenever a photograph is taken with the phone's camera. It would also prohibit such a phone from being equipped with a means of disabling or silencing the tone."

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  1. LOL by Beat+The+Odds · · Score: 5, Funny

    And because it's a law, there will be no way to circumvent this.

    1. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "because it's a law"

      And as its "law", then how about the CCTV's all making a noise when they photograph everyone. If they want everyone to respect their law, they should lead by example and prevent their CCTVs from filming without people knowing.

    2. Re:LOL by lordsid · · Score: 5, Funny

      From a loudspeaker next to the camera: "Fear not citizen, you are being filmed for your own protection. Be Well."

      That would sure make me feel better.

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    3. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      They do say that make-up sex is the best.

    4. Re:LOL by jahudabudy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Neither do camera phones. Which actually does bring up an interesting question: what about the phones that can film, as opposed to single frame photography? Constant clicking?

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    5. Re:LOL by flyingsquid · · Score: 5, Insightful
      My proposed addition to this bill: when a warrantless wiretap is conducted by the NSA, they are required to play the sound of the Constitution being ripped up into little pieces and then burned.

      It just strikes one as a bit hypocritical for our representatives to be worrying about improper use of cell phones by some random pervert, when the NSA's domestic surveillance operations have systematically violated our civil liberties on an industrial scale over the past few years.

    6. Re:LOL by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Funny

      It just strikes one as a bit hypocritical for our representatives to be worrying about improper use of cell phones by some random pervert

      But, think of the children!

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    7. Re:LOL by ojintoad · · Score: 5, Funny

      From a loudspeaker next to the camera: "IGNORE ME! IGNORE ME! IGNORE ME! "

      Fixed it for you.

    8. Re:LOL by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      "because it's a law"

      Good Grief....with all the problems the country has right now, and THIS is the type of law they try to get passed??!?!?

      Man...next election cycle, let us PLEASE fill the Senate and HOR 50/50 with each party. I feel so much safer in my country, and its progress when there is complete gridlock in the federal govt.

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    9. Re:LOL by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 5, Funny

      First they came for those whose phones did not click when taking a picture, and I did not speak up because I did not own a phone that did not click when taking a picture.

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    10. Re:LOL by Gilmoure · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unless you're filming a bike with cards stuck in the spokes.

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    11. Re:LOL by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well I did speak up, but you couldn't hear me for all the click-clickety-bloody-clicking.

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    12. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They're only illegal without a license in 38 states. You can get a license by paying a $200 federal tax fee and a thorough criminal background check. In the other 12 states, they're illegal period.

      Also, I have to point out that the object in question is actually called a "suppressor," as it does not actually silence the sound of the gun. It also doesn't make the whistling sound you hear in the movies. The actual sound of a gun firing with a suppressor attached is closer to the sound of a staple gun. Suppressors are more effective in disguising the nature of the sound than in actually eliminating it (even 22-calibur rifles still fire at 130-145 decibels with a suppressor attached - see this wiki article for more information on that.)

      For the record, I know all of this not because I'm a gun buff, but because I'm a writer, and I like to write about assassins. I find it best if an author knows how something actually works before she goes and writes about it.

    13. Re:LOL by Tumbleweed · · Score: 5, Funny

      >> If they want everyone to respect their law, they should lead by example and prevent their CCTVs from filming without people knowing.

      > There's a small loophole there - CCTV's do not use film!

      Pedantic-Man(tm) approves! It should also be noted that Pedantic-Man's VW TDI (diesel) has no 'gas' pedal. :)

      ps to Slashdot - I gotta tell ya, Pedantic-Man(tm) wants his HTML character entity for the trademark symbol to work. SO stupid to filter that out; you're allowing the Greater Than symbol. Gah.

    14. Re:LOL by Alsee · · Score: 5, Funny

      Stop thinking abut the children, you pervert!
      ;)

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    15. Re:LOL by Xabraxas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I swear this was already a law as pretty much everything that takes a pictures already *does* this.

      Both my digital camera and the camera on my phone DEFAULT to making a click noise when you take a picture but it can be turned off. The click noise is just hokey and annoying, I can't believe you won't be able to turn it off in the future. That's just ludicrous.

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    16. Re:LOL by sumdumass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You do realize that the FISA court of review has stated that the TSP was legal and constitutional even when one person was inside the US right?

      I could say I don't know why this didn't make it onto the Slashdot site but then again I already know the answer to that. But seriously, look it over, you can find the complete redacted ruling and see for yourself what it says. I would caution doing a google search over it, it seems about every liberal site that has caught wind of it has blew gaskets at the prospect of their belief system being destroyed and have attempted everything possible to "say it isn't so" including accusing the courts of being uneducated idiots to somehow pandering for reelection to somehow being obligated to the administration who was leaving office. Take them with a grain of salt.

    17. Re:LOL by Hojima · · Score: 5, Funny

      *HISSS* Curse your resourcefulness US government! You have ruined the plans of me, the evil(TM) Pedophiler! Now I shall have to resort to new phone-independent cameras with their accursed proficiency in range and resolution, like all the normal pedophiles. I'll get you yet! *Twirls mustache* And your little children too!

    18. Re:LOL by DragonWriter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You do realize that the FISA court of review has stated that the TSP was legal

      This is not accurate; the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review held that the Protect America Act was within the Constitutional power of Congress, and, therefore, that the portion of the TSP conducted within the confines (temporal and legal) of the PAA was legal. The TSP began before the PAA was proposed, much less adopted (and, as far as I know, continued after the PAA sunsetted, but that's another issue.) So at least some of the TSP is outside the scope of the ruling, even before considering whether all actions conducted under the TSP while the PAA was in force were, in fact, compliant with the PAA.

      I could say I don't know why this didn't make it onto the Slashdot site but then again I already know the answer to that.

      It is impossible to "know" the reason why something didn't happen when, in fact, it did happen.

      Sorry if that interferes with your fact-deficient rant.

    19. Re:LOL by kn0tw0rk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If taking pictures covertly of women isnt right then why do people buy magazines with pictures of celebrities taken by the paparatzi in this manner?

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    20. Re:LOL by Chosen+Reject · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's ridiculous until one of your kids ends up with pics on the net that weren't authorized.

      As the father of a daughter with another coming very soon, I have to say this is ridiculous. There are so many ways around it that it becomes pointless.

      • Snip the wire going to the speaker
      • Break the speaker
      • Rewrite the firmware
      • Take a picture when there is a loud noise (car honking, cough, sneeze, etc whether from you or an accomplice)
      • Take a video instead of a picture
      • Use a telephoto lens

      Do you get the idea yet? This is only for politicians to look like they're doing something when they aren't actually doing anything. Perhaps the intention is to throw another crime at someone when this happens. That's the intention now, but eventually it'll be abused. Also, it ignores when you might want to have a silent photo for legitimate purposes.

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    21. Re:LOL by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's ridiculous until one of your kids ends up with pics on the net that weren't authorized.

      It's ridiculous regardless of that.

      The issue isn't that people are taking pictures, the issue is that people don't ask and you don't know what they're taking pictures of.

      Who said that it was?

      The issue is that this law would be micromanagement to a laughable degree... almost as bad as requiring windows to make noise when someone looks through them. They're trying to require that technology enforce manners, and this is utterly useless in regards to safety. If passed, it will be an idiotic law that people and companies have to worry about violating (and spend money to make sure they're "compliant"), and that provides no benefit to society.

      Luckily, I think this one is too ridiculous to go very far. As it is, it's only in committee.

      Did someone use their phone to take a picture of a Congressman's daughter drunk at a college party?

    22. Re:LOL by Admiral+Ag · · Score: 5, Funny

      "if they implement face recognition, I want CCTVs to state in a loud, offcial voice "I see you, [Insert Name]!"

      That's just crying out to be hacked in order to add "shaking that ass" on the end.

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  2. Leave well enough alone by onemorechip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Next will have complaints from parents whose children's recitals are marred by clicking cell phones, newlyweds whose vows were interrupted by the same, etc., etc.

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  3. Eh? by The+Moof · · Score: 5, Funny

    What next, requiring digital camcorders to make that old 8mm sounds while recording?

  4. Thank god by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was worried that congress had stuff to address that actually matters.

  5. Japan by Ninjaesque+One · · Score: 5, Informative

    I recall that Japan has a similar law, to prevent photos being taken of. . . things that Japanese men want to take pictures of, I guess.

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  6. Surveillance by pipatron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So the state can secretly monitor everything we do, but we are not allowed to do it ourselves?

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  7. Already so in Japan by Lunarian+Moogle · · Score: 5, Informative

    This requirement is actually already in practice in Japan. In fact, Apple recently had to adjust the Japanese iPhone software to accommodate this. http://cultofmac.com/to-prevent-upskirts-japanese-iphone-3g-always-alerts-when-taking-photos/2356

  8. Expect to see... by Nrbelex · · Score: 5, Funny

    Expect to see a lot more ads for: "UPSKIRT SHOTS OF DEAF CHIKZ!1one." They should really require a strobe light to go off at the same time as the shutter sound.

  9. Crimes in progress by ewg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Probably a rare occurrence, but this means bystanders won't be able to photograph crimes in progress without alerting criminals.

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    1. Re:Crimes in progress by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Probably a rare occurrence, but this means bystanders won't be able to photograph arrests in progress without alerting the police."

      Fixed that for ya'

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  10. Re:What about open source phones? by pieterh · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait, the "Video Phone Predator Act" is in preparation, it requires all video-capable phones to make a government-mandated "heavy breathing" noise when filming.

    Next, the "Spy Glass Predator Act" will make it necessary for any hidden camera to marked with blinking red/blue LEDs and make a "pshooost!" sound each time it takes a frame.

    And finally, we have the bi-partisan "Window Predator Act", which requires all Glass Windows to be painted in black. This bill was sponsored by the Ink Manufacturers Association of America (IMAA).

    Happily Obama has promised "transparency", so the windows are probably safe.

  11. Re:Just think about ENFORCEMENT. by philspear · · Score: 5, Funny

    I, as the wiley "bad guy", press the button telling the camera to make the clicking noise when taking a picture.

    Oh wow, you're advanced. I would have just made clicking sounds with my mouth.

  12. Re:What about open source phones? by philspear · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nevermind that, you could open up the phone and cut the wire to the speaker! So not only does this leave a large area to interpretation, it's easy to circumvent with a little determination.

    And then I could also cut the wire to the earpiece speaker, and then my phone also wouldn't have to play those annoying "mother/wife/boss talking" sounds.

  13. Re:What about open source phones? by characterZer0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Like many other bills die a quiet death, but nonetheless expending taxpayer dollars and making sure there is no time to read the earmarks of major bills.

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  14. Much ado about nothing by SirGarlon · · Score: 5, Informative

    TFA even has a link to the bill's page at Thomas (which is the server that Congresspersons use to keep track of legislative business, and is open to the public). Current status is:

    Referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce.

    Also note that the bill's sole sponsor, Rep. Peter T. King (R-NY), does not sit on the House Committee on Energy and Commerce.

    The most likely scenario is that this bill will sit in committee until it quietly dies (a very common fate, I would add).

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  15. Committee by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you click the link, and then click the link on that link to the actual source, it's a bill introduced by Rep Peter T. King [NY-3] introduced 1/9/2009 with no cosponsors; referred to House Committee on Energy and Commerce.

    Most bills submitted to committees never get out of committee, espercially the ones with no co-sponsors, buried under the press of other stuff that congress can do which they think will actually get them votes. By introducing the bill he can tell the constituants that were lobbying for this "I introduced a bill in Congress to solve that very" and make it sound like he actually did something.

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  16. Deaf victims? by philspear · · Score: 5, Funny

    For one thing, this law would do NOTHING to alert deaf victims they are being photographed! Some of them could be kids!

    1. Re:Deaf victims? by philspear · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh no! What about the deaf *and* blind?!

      A probe to poke the target that would spell out in morse code that you're being photographed.

  17. Re:Just think about ENFORCEMENT. by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Funny

    At which time, I, as the wiley "bad guy", press the button telling the camera to make the clicking noise when taking a picture. After the mean ol'cop has left

    I had a "friend" once who had a similar button in his car that would disable his brake lights. He made a living for a few years by getting "accidentally" rear-ended. Always managed to flip 'em back on by the time the cops showed up.

    Of course, said friend later died in a shootout with the police at a meth lab so I guess he wasn't born into the deep end of the gene pool.....

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  18. Re:Japan by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 5, Funny

    Godzilla?

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  19. Re:Just think about ENFORCEMENT. by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ahhh - That's what they tried to do with handguns, and actually did in Massachusetts. They couldn't get gun control laws passed, so the AG declared guns to be under the jurisdiction of the Mass CPC. The stuff that required was "interesting" from a safety standpoint - hidden serial numbers, requiring that all handguns pass a "temperature" test (800F, so no Glocks, et al.)

    So now the federal CPSC is going to regulate how cell phone cameras work, NOT to protect the user, but to protect everyone else FROM the user.

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  20. Re:Just think about ENFORCEMENT. by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My worry is what the cop will do after he hears your phone click when you catch him beating the shit out of somebody. Makes it a little hard to conceal that you just caught him in action.

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  21. Re:Japan by ari_j · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is there actually something that Japanese men don't want to take pictures of?

  22. Model Tee Hee Hee by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    In similar news, lawmakers will require all horseless carriages (we call them "cars") to periodically whinny like a horse. (Ford Escorts do that anyhow after it rains, although I don't know if it's intentional.)
         

  23. Re:Just think about ENFORCEMENT. by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I had a "friend" once who had a similar button in his car that would disable his brake lights. He made a living for a few years by getting "accidentally" rear-ended. Always managed to flip 'em back on by the time the cops showed up.

    I wish this were much more common and lots of people did it. Maybe that's what it would take for people in general to understand why a good following distance is important. No, really, you're supposed to drive in such a way that something like this would never make you have an accident. People who refuse to do that are unfit to use a shared resource like the public roadways and I do not recognize their right to pose an unnecessary hazard to others (and why should you?).

    Ever notice those people who tailgate you until you approach a traffic light? Then they back off because they know you may have to slow down or stop and they know that their following distance is unsafe for that. Their arrogance is that they think they will always know when you have to slow or stop, that there is no such thing as deer or dogs or pedestrians or impatient drivers who suddenly create hazards and that everything always goes smoothly the way you intended with no unforeseen complications.

    I think this mentality also has something to do with the amount of debt that the average person (in the USA) carries and why so many people live from paycheck to paycheck when most of them have other options. That is, it's the unthinking "leaf in the wind" mentality, again, where people don't realize that they are living in such a way that leaves them open to what appear to be sudden and surprising events. The only amazing thing about the situation is that people can be so wide-open to these problems for so long before something finally does happen. That is no excuse for denial of what should be plainly true, but if someone wants to be in denial, this alone can help prevent them from seeing the cause and effect.

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  24. Re:Just think about ENFORCEMENT. by kenj0418 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ahhh - That's what they tried to do with handguns, and actually did in Massachusetts.

    They must have already passed that in Missouri too -- all of our handguns make a noise when they are fired. They seem to be permanently set on the 'car backfiring' setting too. I tried changing mine to 'birds chirping' to be less conspicuous, and all I ended up with was a bunch of dead birds.

  25. when I was young.... by roc97007 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What we need is a car analogy. I don't have one. How about a motorcycle analogy?

    My step-dad rode an old BSA (British bike, leaked oil) when I was a kid. It had a minor fault -- the required (in California) stoplight button on the rear brake pedal didn't work, and he never bothered to fix it. In those days and that area, cops would randomly pull over bikers ostensibly for safety checks, but actually to check their id and registration, run the plate, and generally look for trouble.

    Step-dad would be required to demonstrate that the rear stoplight function worked. So he'd get in the bike, steady himself with his left hand on the handlebars, push the rear brake pedal down while simultaneously squeezing the front brake lever, which did turn on the stoplight. Ran it like that for years, was stopped many times, cops never caught on.

    This is a feel-good law. I can't imagine that the people writing it really think it'll work. At most it'll nail a few people on false positives, but the true hard-core perverts, and the geeks who can't resist a challenge, will figure out work-arounds in next to no time. It's just software, after all. If you can jailbreak a phone, you can probably figure out how to temporarily turn off a mandatory feature.

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  26. Welcome to city 17 by linhares · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "Welcome, welcome to City 17, you have chosen or been chosen to relocate to one of our finest remaining urban centers. I thought so much of City 17 that I elected to establish my administration here, in the Citadel so thoughtfully provided by our benefactors. I have been proud to call City 17 my home. So whether you are here to stay, or passing through on your way to parts unknown, welcome to City 17.

    It's safer here."