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Marijuana Could Prevent Alzheimer's, New Study

Chickan writes "'A puff a day might keep Alzheimer's away, according to marijuana research by professor Gary Wenk and associate professor Yannic Marchalant of the Ohio State Department of Psychology. Wenk's studies show that a low dosage in the morning of a certain canavanoid, a component in marijuana, reversed memory loss in older rats' brains. In his study, an experimental group of old rats received a dosage, and a control group of rats did not. The old rats that received the drugs performed better on memory tests, and the drug slowed and prevented brain cell death.' My fine university's dollars at work!" Maybe it works even better in combination with brain-preserving sips of coffee.

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  1. Dude... like... what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Marijuana is memory enhancing? What?

    1. Re:Dude... like... what? by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Marijuana is memory enhancing? What?

      No it's just that in the rat's the puff they are not able to measure any memory loss with aging because they already lost it.

      There's a huge difference between "memory" and "cognative skill". To operate at a rat, requires a lot of different skills. Huge chunks of their brain are devoted to 0) fleaing predators 1) not eating poison 2) navigating and memorizing paths by smell and touch, not sight or time.

      it's entirely plausible that different drugs could shift the relative effort in these areas and improve their skills in other areas. FOr example, perhaps they are less perpetually afraid and thus better able to concentrate on memorization.

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    2. Re:Dude... like... what? by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Funny

      As I recall the black plague was caused by mice and rates delivering fleas to the predators.

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    3. Re:Dude... like... what? by coren2000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you never had the memories... they (the alzheimers) cant take it away.

    4. Re:Dude... like... what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      More likely is that it stimulates retrograde signaling pathways, which are implicated in the formation and maintenance of long-term memories.

      This is because the chemical receptors of neurons implicated with this process are stimulated by "endo-cannabinoids", or, molecules created by the brain which are chemically similar to THC found in cannabis. Ingesting THC (in one form or another...) will stimulate these receptors, which then triggers neurons to fire.

      When you stop to consider that an Alzheimer's afflicted brain has major damage going on, and then also consider the implications of neuroplasticity along with this induced retrograde signal propagation, it could be seen that by stimulating neurons that are failing or near inoperable, their information could be transferred to healthier tissues, and retained, rather than simply "lost."

      It's a bit like running FSCK on your brain, in an attempt to recover data from bad sectors.

    5. Re:Dude... like... what? by truckaxle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would dispute

      1) Not eating poison.

      As that is a recent entry into their list of survival and propagation concerns. Then I would replace it with

      1) Obsession with sex

      Now the list looks a lot closer to what the human brain is concerned with.

    6. Re:Dude... like... what? by Tetsujin · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you never had the memories... they (the alzheimers) cant take it away.

      It takes more than memories.

      Now the problem here is that patients may be able to avoid Alzheimer's by smoking pot - but they inevitably succumb to the REEFER MADNESS, which is ten times worse.

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    7. Re:Dude... like... what? by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 2, Insightful

      check your vocabulary

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    8. Re:Dude... like... what? by Kamots · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just have to market it to wives...

    9. Re:Dude... like... what? by FiloEleven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's a bit like running FSCK on your brain

      I know that this is a good thing, but it still reminds me of those old DARE ads...

    10. Re:Dude... like... what? by Curtman · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's a bit like running FSCK on your brain

      It's a lot like that. The last joint I smoked got me really fscked up.

    11. Re:Dude... like... what? by FoolishBluntman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Finally, my pastime is vindicated!

    12. Re:Dude... like... what? by shaitand · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is a misnomer anyway. The old studies showing that marijuana causes memory loss were refuted long ago. In fact, almost all of the supposed negative effects of marijuana use were reported by one biased research team and their work can generally be dismissed outright.

      There is a short term memory impairment caused by consistent regular high dose usage but it returns in an extremely short period of time after discontinuing marijuana use. The memory effects of years of marijuana use are reversed after as little as a month of discontinuing use.

      The real negative side effects of marijuana use are 'a false sense of well being' *scratches head over that being considered negative*, the aggravation of already existing heart conditions, and the ability to cause and/or exacerbate lung conditions/cancer. The last is actually caused by the inhalation of smoke and can be avoided by using other means of ingestion.

      Whole marijuana, like any other herb, will NEVER be considered a legal treatment for any condition by the AMA or FDA for Alzheimer's or anything else. The medical profession as a whole does not recommend natural supplements and herbs, they prefer prescription medications that are composed of purified and isolated chemicals.

      The best that can be hoped is that prohibition and prosecution will be stopped against those using, posessing, distributing, and selling what is a fairly harmless herbal supplement. Addiction rates and known side effects (and liklihood of incidence) pale in comparison to over the counter medications like ephedrine, cough syrup, and asprin; not to mention prescription medications.

  2. Rational by Rinisari · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have yet to hear/see a rational reason why marijuana is still illegal.

    1. Re:Rational by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because America is divided between people who hate risk more than they love freedom and people who hate hippies more than they love freedom.

    2. Re:Rational by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have yet to hear/see a rational reason why marijuana is still illegal.

      It helps keep rich people rich.

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    3. Re:Rational by ruiner13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is hard to tax something so easily grown at home.

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    4. Re:Rational by Clever7Devil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ask your local law enforcement and prison guard unions. They have pleanty.

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    5. Re:Rational by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just sayin'. There ARE side effects.

      The only side effects are ones related to one specific way of taking the drug. When vaporized or ingested, none of those risks are present. Thanks for FUDding!

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    6. Re:Rational by Nursie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "So, you get pulled over and they decide you're baked. They can't really prove it because there is no "immediate intoxication test"

      So we'll develop one, and in the mean time continue to use co-ordination and driving ability. driving without due care and attention is still an offence regardless of whether you're baked or not. Believe me, the market will fill this niche in seconds. This is just another stupid excuse.

      Hey, where's the roadside test for vicodin? Prescription codeine or morphine? Dextromethorphan?

      Thought not.

    7. Re:Rational by garcia · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hey, where's the roadside test for vicodin? Prescription codeine or morphine? Dextromethorphan?

      I didn't bother to get into this discussion because the answer is obvious. Those chemicals are developed by commercial entities which pay big money to politicians to ensure that they are the only painkillers marketable to the masses. When an effective substance can be procured for next to nothing, they want to keep it off the market.

      Plus, my original post, especially the part about the color of someone's tongue was, well, tongue-in-cheek.

    8. Re:Rational by hobbit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      s/hippies/supposed mexican rapists/
      s/risk/fun/

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    9. Re:Rational by mikael_j · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, if you have THC in your blood then chances are you're stoned, most of the time you can't find THC in the bloodstream after 24 hours or so. Urine and hair tests OTOH can be used to detect use several weeks after the fact but if you smoked your first joint in six months about ten minutes ago and the police grab you there's a pretty big chance it won't show up in a urine test...

      This is something used by marijuana users btw, if they get busted right after smoking they go for the urine test, if they get busted some other time they demand a blood test because it's more expensive, has to be done by a doctor/nurse and won't show anything if they haven't smoked in the last couple of days.

      /Mikael

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    10. Re:Rational by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, you get pulled over and they decide you're baked

      If they can't detect any impairment, then what's the problem? If you're significantly impaired, it's going to be obvious. Otherwise you should just be sent on your way.

      Everything I've seen on the effects of marijuana on driving indicate that yes, it's mildly impairing, but that impairment never reaches a level equivalent to that of a 0.8 bac. So if it's legal to drive under a similarly impairing amount of alcohol, it should be ok to drive stoned. Also, unlike alcohol, marijuana users know how impaired they are, and compensate. This is why marijuana is *underrepresented* in accident statistics.

      Personally, I'm of the opinion that all driving while intoxicated laws are inappropriate. Either you're driving recklessly or not. If you are, go to jail. If not, go home and sleep it off.

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    11. Re:Rational by Absimiliard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've seen people smoke so much they ended up in mental hospitals.

      Proof of causality please.

      I've seen people breathe so much air that they ended up addicted to heroin. In fact I've never met a heroin addict who didn't breathe air first.

      Such a basic logical flaw, I'm sure you can do better.

      -abs

    12. Re:Rational by dragonsomnolent · · Score: 5, Informative

      I will merely point out that according to the FDA rules for a schedule 1 narcotic, something has to meed all of the following requirements:

              (A) The drug or other substance has high potential for abuse.
              (B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
              (C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

          Does Pot have a medical use: Yup, check out marinol (the THC pill). Bang, struck from schedule 1 right there. It has a currently accepted medical use in treatment for HIV and cancer patients. Not to mention that it could be prescribed off label for a multitude of things (low doses for anxiety, insomnia, etc.) I have in the past smoked and it is a neuro-seditive. Side effects? Yeah, smoke too much, you get paranoid, short term memory lapses, etc. Same with alchohol though, in addition, you can die from alchohol poisoning (and yes it would be possible to OD on THC, but I don't think anyone could stay concious long enough to smoke that much, you'd have to have a high dose IV drip of it or something).
          The simple fact of the matter here though is the FDA keeps it illegal not for medical reasons, but political ones. No one wants to be the one who gets smeared for "caving to the drug cartels", despite the fact that the best way to take them out is to take away thier products and sevices. In addition, the DuPont family paid a lot of money back in the day to keep people using wood pulp for paper so they could keep selling thier chemicals. For a good read, check out "Ain't Nobody's Business if I Do" by Peter McWilliams. Available for online reading.

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    13. Re:Rational by tsalmark · · Score: 5, Informative

      It is often assumed that, in the US at least, marijuana was made illegal to protect alcohol profits. here is one link: http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html

    14. Re:Rational by HungryHobo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I turn up to work hung over and as a result cannot do my job I get in trouble.
      If I turn up glassy eyed and obviously impaired I'm not going to be working there very long.

      Obviously hung over and still under the effects of the night before- it doesn't matter if I was drinking while off the clock, if it effects me while on the clock that's good enough.
      Obviously high and still under the effects of the night before-it doesn't matter if I was smoking something while off the clock, if it effects me while on the clock that's good enough.

      If I'm not obviously drunk or high at work they don't give a damn.

    15. Re:Rational by Pictish+Prince · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have yet to hear/see a rational reason why marijuana is still illegal.

      There is a perfectly rational reason: Greed.

      Granted, a confluence of interests was responsible for the prohibition of cannabis, but I submit the primary impetus came from Hearst, who, as the article linked above mentions, had "invested heavily in the timber industry to support his newspaper chain and didn't want to see the development of hemp paper in competition."

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    16. Re:Rational by erroneus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Woah... this is weird! I clicked your link and the found your link... clicked that link and found your link again... I am in the process of seeing how far it goes...

    17. Re:Rational by scubamage · · Score: 5, Informative

      No offense, but wtf are you talking about? Safer? The LD50 of THC is somewhere in the range of 25 POUNDS of crystalline reagent grade product. Its physically impossible to overdose on marijuana - you simple can't fit 25 pounds in your bloodstream. No other pain killer or appetite stimulant has that sort of LD50. It is about as safe as you can get - even safer than sugar.

    18. Re:Rational by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ARGHHH

      Please stop making this ridiculous argument. Beer is easy to make at home, but is legal and taxed. Food is easy to grow at home, but is legal and taxed in some (many?) states. Clothes are easy to make at home, but are legal and taxed in some (many) states.

      The evidence flies in the face of this absolutely retarded claim.

    19. Re:Rational by scubamage · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's a circular argument. You're saying it should be illegal because they don't have a means to test for it as an illegal substance. If its legal, your argument dissapears. No offense, just sayin :)

    20. Re:Rational by Sloppy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There's a justification if you happen to be someone I want to harm. It gives me a way to sic the government on you.

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    21. Re:Rational by just_another_sean · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't consider any of the reasons you provided as "rational". "We can't control it, we can't tell if your on it when your driving" are not good reasons to me. If a cop can't tell that you are impaired by giving you a field sobriety test then the any thought of arrest should end right there. The reason a cop can tell a raving drunk but has difficulty determining if "smiley" is high is because alcohol significantly impairs your physical coordination while marijuana does not. I don't recommend driving while intoxicated on anything but I would much rather take my chances with people who are "baked as hell" and driving then people who slam 6-10 drinks in a bar and then get behind the wheel.

      I have four children; I'm much more worried about them out drinking with people then smoking. Hell, I'm more worried about them smoking tobacco then I am about them smoking marijuana.

      Not to stereotype you but I would have thought a guy with a /. handle of Garcia (not to mention the low id) that runs a website called Lazy Lighting would be a little more enlightened on the relative dangers between alcohol and marijuana. Screw the "we can't keep teh childrenz from smoking" rhetoric, the only real reason they have is the trillions you mentioned at the end of your post. America needs to wake up and realize that the emperor wears no clothes.

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    22. Re:Rational by antiseptic_poetry · · Score: 2, Funny

      Being in an altered state of mind isn't productive to society..

      ha, you really believe that? What about artists and musicians?? To quote Bill Hicks

      "If you don't think drugs have done good things for us, then take all of your records, tapes and CDs and burn them. Cause you know what? The musicians that made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Real f#cking high on drugs. The Beatles were so f#ckin' high they let Ringo sing a few songs."

    23. Re:Rational by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      you have one data point. that's fine. its a real data point, at least.

      yours is NOT typical and people should know that. most users don't get 'baked' and drive right away. I've never known anyone like that - not ever.

      otoh, its VERY common to drink and drive - even without waiting at all.

      choice: would you rather be in the passenger seat of someone who had 2 joints or 2 beers? 1 joint or 1 beer?

      I'd take the NO BEERS choice, please, alex. seriously. and the difference is: when you are drunk, you often can't know if you are too impaired to drive. with pots you know. you really do - and it never fully blocks your thinking (that's just BS).

      ever break up with an SO and drive? its not much different. ever get fired from a job and have to drive home? that is the level of 'impairment' (distraction) that you might have if you were high and drove. is it illegal or 'dangerous' to drive while you are emotionally distraught (the 2 examples I used) ? no, of course not.

      look at the driving and not what's inside the person's body or mind. if you care about 'distractions' and safety hazzards you'll pull over all the arguing couples or the families that have to shout at their kids in the back seat. THOSE are the dangerous distracted drivers. pot users are just easy targets but its not any kind of justice to go after light drug users. its just EASY to say 'we are fighting crime' when in fact, they are only raising more revenue (indirectly).

      take the unsafe drivers off the road but pot users are not always unsafe drivers. no correlation at all - its all just made up shit by LEOs and their ilk. talk to those who know this stuff fist hand and you'll see its all just social programming to keep the status quo.

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    24. Re:Rational by p00dl3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, vaporization is far more efficient than combustion. The material is heated to the point where the organic volatiles (cannabanoids and terpenes) go through a phase change from semi-solid to gas. Because they are not being combusted (burned) more of the active compounds reach the bloodstream. Conversely, fewer harmful compounds are taken in, thus making vaporization less harmful. Oral consumption (when combined with a lipid carrier such as butter or chocolate) is one of the most efficient methods of use, although the effects are somewhat delayed when compared to smoking or vaporizing. Wow, $200. You clearly have not been to the market since the 1980's. High quality cannabis, consisting of seedless female flowers, goes ~$400/oz in most parts of the country.

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    25. Re:Rational by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's funny...

      My job is very intellectually challenging, and pushes the bounds of my memory daily. And I smoke pot every day, even regularly before I go into work. And yet... I'm still seen as the best person we have there, and I'm constantly picking up everyone else's slack, most of whom see pot as such a bad thing. In fact, I'm the only one there that I know of that ever even smokes it at all...

      Not only that, but a large group of people I know (some friends and some not) decided to do our own little experiment: smoke pot and study for a college exam. We couldn't find any correlation at all. I wish we got this published, but we were somewhat paranoid about someone coming after us for it, what with it being illegal and all.

      Physically, there might be something, but I, like many people I know, have difficulty doing our daily exercise routines without smoking pot before hand (mostly psychological reasons that is the reasons we smoke pot in the first place).

      Your argument doesn't make sense to me at all.

    26. Re:Rational by conureman · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Because the burden of proof is on those that believe that it's harmless rather than those that don't believe it to be safe. Which is just the way that it should be."
      This is why greasy fast food will never be legal. Which is just the way that it should be.

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    27. Re:Rational by xappax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps, but is growing /good/ pot as easy as throwing seeds out in the backyard? I mean, you can make hooch in the bathtub - you can even make it in prison. But it's not very good. For that matter, you really can grow tomatoes by throwing seeds in your back yard, but how many people do that instead of buying them for $excessive at the supermarket?

      Growing good, potent cannabis takes time and effort the same way making good wine does, which means there's easily potential for corporate commoditization. Never underestimate people's willingness to buy things they don't need to.

    28. Re:Rational by p00dl3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Cannabis was renamed by white US politicians as "marijuana" to associate it with itinerant Mexican laborers. It was claimed to cause madness and violence in the "daker races". It was claimed that it caused "our" white women to seek relations with "negroes". Criminalizing it was a way to control the Mexicans and the blacks. Thelonius Monk was banned from playing New York clubs because he had a "marijuana" conviction and had his club card pulled.

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    29. Re:Rational by UncleTogie · · Score: 2, Funny

      I cook and eat my green ... so what now?

      So now everyone's coming to your pad for brownies!

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    30. Re:Rational by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, it's perfectly fine if I have to pick up the slack for people that are smoking pot and as a result not as sharp as they ought to be? I'm sorry, but I'm failing to see how it is that it's not any of my business.

      That could be the Alzheimer's kicking in.

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    31. Re:Rational by xappax · · Score: 3, Informative

      So far the only risk you've identified is lung damage. Please explain how eating marijuana can cause this.

    32. Re:Rational by spidercoz · · Score: 5, Funny

      and a job

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    33. Re:Rational by sexybomber · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, where's the roadside test for vicodin? Prescription codeine or morphine? Dextromethorphan? (emphasis mine)

      Judging from my own experiences with DXM, I wouldn't have been able to drive, and I knew that. Nor would I have remotely wanted to. That stuff is fuckin' crazy.

    34. Re:Rational by lpevey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you kidding? If you want to take away someone else's liberty to do something, the burden of proof that the something in question is so harmful to society as to justify that restriction of liberty should fall on you.

    35. Re:Rational by spidercoz · · Score: 4, Funny

      right on man. the only way I got through differential calculus in college was by going to class stoned every day. it just didn't take sober

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    36. Re:Rational by TriezGamer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to endlessly repeat it like it's a mantra or anything, but correlation != causation.

    37. Re:Rational by LithiumX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please stop making this ridiculous argument. Beer is easy to make at home, but is legal and taxed. Food is easy to grow at home, but is legal and taxed in some (many?) states. Clothes are easy to make at home, but are legal and taxed in some (many) states.

      Beer is doable, but not all that easy to make at home. You have to build at least a minimal apparatus, and you have to employ some fairly stringent (for a home environment) anti-contamination protocols. It takes time, and the end result usually ends up tasting a little better than horse piss. It's fun (and mine quit tasting like horse piss after a few tries), but not something that will ever be common. Regardless, you are still limited to a very small setup for tax reasons.

      Food is food. Apart from subsidies, the growth of food is not very regulated (if for your own consumption). It's about as fundamental a right as there is. Food is also different - you're taxed on profit, but food itself is largely untaxed. Therefore grow all you like.

      Clothes are not easy to make at home, at least nothing you'd wear outside. It takes skill and a minimum of equipment. It's not that difficult to build this skill, and brief "homespun" fads have hit the country many times since the Revolution, but on the whole clothing is something that you can rely on never being made at home - except for the statistically small hobbyist, and those who can't afford new clothes. Also, prohibiting clothes made at home would be extremely difficult to provide a reason for, no matter how much any industry screamed for it.

      There are a number of reasons why cannabis was illegalized - and most of the common ones you hear are actually true to one extent or another, but none stand out much on their own. Taxation, immigrant paranoia, easy enforcement results, propaganda, and actual honest public health issues. However, brewers were one of the main original impetuses that got the ball rolling, so protecting profits was a major initial cause.

      Note that, even today, the alcohol industry is STILL one of the primary sources of funding for anti-legalization. It's easy to see why.

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    38. Re:Rational by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because the burden of proof is on those that believe that it's harmless rather than those that don't believe it to be safe. Which is just the way that it should be.

      No, it isn't, and nor should it be, because

      There really isn't that much evidence to support the idea that legalization is the appropriate course of action.

      It is a basic principle in the US and any supposedly free country that things shouldn't be illegal "by default". Anything should be allowed unless a law is written specifically against it, and there should be specific and good reasons for that - not arbitrary religious nonsense.

    39. Re:Rational by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      yawn.

      Go away troll. Your study is one of few vicious studies, but there are an equal number number that show with moderate use there are limited effects. They key is moderate use by normal citizens. Anything can be abused so overuse isn't a suitable criteria. This is especially the case with MJ because contrary to trollish opinion, the majority of us are normal, upstanding citizens, who have to hide our recreation from the trolls of society.

      Most of your argument completely sidesteps the real point. These "side effects" and "negative effects" would occur if you smoke any dried plant, including any and everything you find in your garden or a number of herbs that are legal and commonly used by people everywhere, or engage in any number of perfectly legal activities. And these effects can be completely eliminated by changing the way you take the drug.

      For the record, I smoke Da Chronic (>19yr) and I'm a practicing PhD rocket scientist. My physician finds no evidence of the chronic and I'm very honest with him about my use & history. I saw a psychologist a few years ago who essentially told me I was paying him for "good conversation." I was pleased when he shared with me his love of the chronic. I don't drive impaired, mostly I don't go in public impaired. Not to mention I'm a triathlete and I volunteer in my community. I also unexpectedly had some short stories published last year. Let's talk about the deleterious effects of MJ after you finish a 13 hour Ironman and have a healthy conversation with me about the SS ablation in the event of coolant failure on the RS24.

      AC for obvious reasons.

      My only point is that I am a responsible, normal, maybe successful member of society and I just want to be left alone. Unfortunately, to fight an ass it takes an ass. Fuck you.

    40. Re:Rational by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For that matter, you really can grow tomatoes by throwing seeds in your back yard, but how many people do that instead of buying them for $excessive at the supermarket?

      Millions.

    41. Re:Rational by WiseWeasel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Come out to the west coast for a while sometime. Marijuana is very much a part of mainstream culture in several parts of this country, and people already take the drug to very unhealthy/unproductive levels, only outnumbered by those who consume it responsibly. What we're doing now has approximately zero effect on keeping a lid on the substance, and the only real consequence of the current prohibition is that a vast, vast underground economy, one that dwarfs large sectors of legitimate agriculture in many states, is allowed to grow and prosper, at the expense of the government's ability to tax and regulate this trade. Even for harder substances, criminalization is hardly an intelligent way to deal with most of these cases of abuse, when medical intervention would be so much more appropriate than tossing someone in jail. The current drug policy in the US is completely indefensible, and is only allowed to continue due to the political sensitivity surrounding the issue, thanks to propaganda campaigns that were able to find a sizable target of gullible people in this country. Still, marijuana is very much a part of mainstream culture in many parts of the US, and trying to fight it with laws only serves to call the value of law enforcement into question. If you were looking for a way to alienate a large portion of the population from the law, then the War on Drugs is a tremendous success.

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    42. Re:Rational by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is it illegal. Because it is a mind altering drug, which can easily be abused (recreational use of this drug is abuse), Being in an altered state of mind isn't productive to society, as well as health concerns.

      None of those are valid reasons why it or any such things shouldn't be personal, individual choices in a free society.

    43. Re:Rational by mikael_j · · Score: 2, Informative

      You want me to quote my own post to prove I wrote what was mis-replied to?

      Residual THC non-psychoactive metabolites are stored in fat and get released into the urine slowly. While the (psychoactive) d9-THC is in your bloodstream you are under influence of it, later the aforementioned metabolites get stored in fat.

      This is all freely available information.

      /Mikael

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    44. Re:Rational by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because non-hippies are doing so well at that right now...

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    45. Re:Rational by spidercoz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Studies further suggest that marijuana is a general "immunosuppressant" whose degenerative influence extends beyond the respiratory system. Regular smoking has been shown to materially affect the overall ability of the smoker's body to defend itself against infection by weakening various natural immune mechanisms, including macrophages (a.k.a. "killer cells") and the all-important T-cells.

      I smoke and haven't had so much as a cold in over 5 years. Your "studies" are faulty

      3) It has been suggested that marijuana is at the root of many mental disorders, including ... uncontrollable aggressiveness.

      I laughed out loud at that. Have you ever even seen a pot smoker? Uncontrollable aggressiveness, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

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    46. Re:Rational by tripdizzle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I had AP calc in HS after lunch, and of course I was blazing everyday at lunch, got out of there with an A-, as well as getting paid by the preppy rich kids parents for tutoring.

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    47. Re:Rational by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Informative

      The whole plant will NEVER be legalized because the side effects are so severe that there will never be a suitable time to use it.

      And when is there a suitable time to use tobacco? Alcohol? How about sugar?

      Consider, also, that hemp can be used for things other than smoking.

      And while we're at it, coca does not have to be made into cocaine. It also makes a traditional tea, a mild, not particularly addictive stimulant, which is very helpful with altitude sickness.

      On the other hand, orange juice can be used as an ingredient for acid -- or napalm.

      I do not buy the argument that just because something can be abused, it should be banned. Everything can be abused, and most things do have "legitimate" purposes.

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    48. Re:Rational by Maestro485 · · Score: 2, Informative

      So your belief that weed makes people sleepy is your justification for it being outlawed?

    49. Re:Rational by DrLudicrous · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Everything I've seen on the effects of marijuana on driving indicate that yes, it's mildly impairing, but that impairment never reaches a level equivalent to that of a 0.8 bac.

      Well, I should hope not. If your BAC is 0.8, you are most likely dead. If not, you will have set a new world record for the highest level of alcohol intoxication. Unfortunately, you may not wake up from the alcohol-induced coma to revel in your achievement.

    50. Re:Rational by MRe_nl · · Score: 2, Informative

      $200 for an ounce.
      1 ounce = 28,3495231 gram.
      EUR 1 = USD 1,3152 (26 januari 20090).
      $ 7,- per gram, or EUR 5.5?
      That's allmost exactly the same price as in the Netherlands, for quality in-door greens.
      Or so I've been told ; ).

      By the way, Dutch Governemental research has shown drivers to be LESS likely to cause accidents or break speeding laws while stoned, compared to sober or drunk drivers.

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    51. Re:Rational by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes. For more information I suggest you look into Prohibition in America. It basically created organized crime and made a lot of people, Al Capone being one of the most famous, very rich. For more further reading, also check out what happens to prices of goods once they go from being sold legally to being sold on the black market.

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    52. Re:Rational by Eggplant62 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I know a ton of people who use marijuana on a regular basis who also show up for work consistently, do an excellent job, work overtime and then some. So, um, wanna come up with an argument against that?

      I've seen people sling around the same old tired arguments against pot since was 16 and first learning about it and trying it, back in the mid '70s. Problem is, not enough people have tried it. Most people who are against pot talk out of their asses without a lick of experience.

    53. Re:Rational by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Perhaps, but is growing /good/ pot as easy as throwing seeds out in the backyard? I mean, you can make hooch in the bathtub - you can even make it in prison. But it's not very good. For that matter, you really can grow tomatoes by throwing seeds in your back yard, but how many people do that instead of buying them for $excessive at the supermarket? Growing good, potent cannabis takes time and effort the same way making good wine does, which means there's easily potential for corporate commoditization. Never underestimate people's willingness to buy things they don't need to.

      As someone who has both grown dope and made homemade hooch (and grown tomatoes, for that matter), I can attest that growing good dope is *much* easier than than making good booze. This is not taking into account the risks of legal issues.

      Making truly good beer or wine requires a lot of equipment as well as broad knowledge of fermentatation, sanitation, transferring liquids with minimal oxygen exposure, and a thousand other factors that can produce "off flavors". Distillation is even more intensive to do truly well. You can make bad booze without much trouble, but making something comparable to (or possibly even better than) commercial products takes a serious amount of will.

      The difference between growing good pot and bad pot, all growing conditions being equal, is simply genetics. No, it's not as simple as "throwing seeds in your back yard" but then neither is growing good tomatoes really either. But if you can provide the necessary light and nutrients to bring a female cannabis plant to mature flowering, whether indoors or outdoors, the potency of your product will virtually entirely depend on the plant's genetics. A novice grower can likely grow better pot than he/she can buy with good seed, but the most experienced grower in the world can't make Sour Diesel from ditchweed seeds.

      The real skill in growing pot is how to achieve good yield, and of course, navigating the the minefield of legality. While not *everyone* who smokes bud would grow it if it were legal, people like me who know how to grow it already could grow lots and give it away to friends just like people do now with their tomatoes and zucchini.

      I've always felt that a main reason why such a stupid law persists is that there is simply far more money in it being illegal than could ever be profited or taxed out of it in a legal market.

    54. Re:Rational by truckaxle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm of the opinion that all driving while intoxicated laws are inappropriate. Either you're driving recklessly or not. If you are, go to jail. If not, go home and sleep it off.

      Really! Sometimes the indication that someone is driving recklessly is when they plow into the side of a car, killing and maiming the occupants.

      Drunk driving laws and enforcement do save lives and prevent many needless tragedies as they statistically highlight those that are most likely to be involved in an accident - they should be tougher if anything.

    55. Re:Rational by KatAngel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I actually have some data from my sociology class that could support his claim. I don't have a reference to give you, except that the story is found in "The Human Experience" reader. I don't have it handy, or I'd give you a more exact reference, but the gist of the article was that all victimless crimes - not just marijuana, but also things like prostitution - serve to keep peoples' eyes off of the rich. It's typically the poor who are driven by desperation to do many of the victimless crimes (though, I suppose that could be argued in the case of marijuana, but there's still a significant portion of marijuana smokers who are poor or middle class).

      In essence, when someone is arrested for marijuana or another victimless crime, it goes on their permanent record. It keeps the poor poor, because these people find it difficult if not impossible to find a steady job with a criminal record, and so, in order to survive, and with the mentality in place that "I'm already a criminal, so I can't really fall any further," these people often begin resorting to thievery and other crimes that are not victimless, and are sent to jail. Because the poor have been driven to these crimes, the eyes of the general population are drawn to them, and they say, "The poor are the criminals of our society. The poor cause all of our problems." Their eyes are diverted nicely from the problems of the rich as the enforced problems of the poor seem to carry more weight.

      So, in that regard, it does help keep rich people rich. Or at least, it keeps them in power, which, in a roundabout way, keeps them rich.

      The person who wrote the article was a professor teaching a class on the American justice system. Ironically, as an exercise, he asked the students to develop a prison system with the express intention of keeping the rich in power (before explaining all of the above to them), and what they developed was almost an exact copy of the American justice system.

    56. Re:Rational by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Funny

      Give me one reason why prohibition on marijuana is not like prohibition on alcohol

      Jesus never miracled any pot into existence.

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    57. Re:Rational by Khyber · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because America is divided between people who hate risk more than they love freedom and people who hate hippies more than they love freedom.

      WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      The REASONS are DuPont and other companies that hemp was a major threat to, like the cotton industry, paper industry, oils industry, and more. Hemp had a virtual monopoly because it's so damned useful. In fact hemp oil was still the STANDARD recommended machine lubricant during the WWII era.

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    58. Re:Rational by harry666t · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's simple.

      1. You smoke marijuana

      2. You realize that God loves you, that you don't need anything else to be happy, that everything is a vibration and the whole living universe is One

      3. You become less and less attached to physical goods and material stuf, you stop caring about possesing things and instead focus on spiritual growth

      4. You become a very poor source of profits, because you spend much less money, if any at all

      There's of course another side effect of being more enlightened, which is: not fitting into the structure of the society. And this is the biggest threat to our current "order". You are much harder to control. To lock in a cage full of shit painted gold.

      Oblig. movie: "Equilibrium".
      Oblig. YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX1CvW38cHA

    59. Re:Rational by Khyber · · Score: 2, Informative

      Data? How about the fact that if Hemp was legalized again it would hold a fucking virtual monopoly over the medical, paper, textiles, oils, bioplastics, and health food markets? Do you even have a CLUE as to what marijuana's uses are? We used hhemp primarily for EVERYTHING in the beginning of our country. Lamp oils, clothing, OUR CONSTITUTION WAS WRITTEN ON FUCKING HEMP PAPER, SO WAS OUR MONEY, livestock feed.

      Of course you probably weren't aware that it was a LAW that every landowner grow cannabis on their property, starting in 1619.

      Read Eric Schlosser's 'Reefer Madness' sometime.

      For shame, I thought someone with a UID half of mine would know better. Guess that's not necessarily the case, eh?

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    60. Re:Rational by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here you go...

      Gee, wonder why the fucking Constitution was written on HEMP paper...

      The US Government has such bullshit hypocrisy on this "War On Drugs": Hemp For Victory

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    61. Re:Rational by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you grew it yourself and never sold any, there would be no reason to tax it. You aren't taxed for growing things, you are taxed for selling things (or providing a service).

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    62. Re:Rational by Khyber · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, by far THE most potent and efficient method of consumption of marijuana is to make an oil extract from the plant material and use it as a suppository. 90% usage compared to vaporization 20% or so. In fact, most drugs will affect you much harder if you plug them up your ass. Don't you know where the phrase 'drunk off your ass' came from?

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    63. Re:Rational by Onymous+Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, vaporization is far more efficient than combustion. The material is heated to the point where the organic volatiles (cannabanoids and terpenes) go through a phase change from semi-solid to gas.

      One of the things I absolutely love about drug debate is the informed, relevant, calmly intelligent commentary coming from sources who you can't help but believe are learned advocates because they're users. The irony of the contrast with the popular myth of "dope" and its effects is amusing, as is the contrast with the often misinformed, fallacious, and belligerent commentary from detractors. Fun stuff.

      (No offense, but I should mention it's spelled "cannabinoids".)

    64. Re:Rational by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 4, Interesting

      wild tobacco is almost hallucinogenic and non-addictive whereas commercial tobacco is just addictive because of its extreme nicotene content.

      Sorry, but that's simply incorrect. From "Growing the Hallucinogens":

      Uncured tobacco is very potent -- the Indians who used it would often pass out after as little as one cigarette, and "communicate with the gods." This type of tobacco should be smoked with caution. The danger here is death from overdose rather than addiction. When used as a ritual narcotic it is not smoked often enough to result in addiction.

      And Wikipedia's entry on wild tobacco:

      Wild tobacco is native to the southwestern United States, Mexico, and parts of South America. Its botanical name is Nicotiana rustica. [snip] "Nicotiana rustica" is the most potent strain of tobacco known to man it is commonly used for tobacco dust or pesticides.

      Note that article quotes a nicotine content of 6.5% for Y1, while the entry for Nicotiana Rustica claims 9%; in other words, the wild variety contains more nicotine than the cultivar specifically bred for a high nicotine content by tobacco companies.

      Finally, New World Encyclopedia's entry on tobacco:

      Nicotine is also a powerful psychochemical, which acts on the nervous system. In large doses it can be a hallucinogen. In smaller doses it affects the functioning of the nervous system in various ways, as well as affecting the circulatory and endocrine systems. These effects are considered pleasurable and desirable by tobacco users.

      The hallucinogenic compound in wild tobacco is nicotine. It isn't addictive is because it simply isn't possible to smoke wild tobacco in the same quantities as the cured tobacco used in cigarettes without dying; or, looking at it the other way, cigarettes are addictive because they aren't strong enough to have a hallucinogenic effect, so you can chain smoke them and remain conscious.

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    65. Re:Rational by falconwolf · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have yet to hear/see a rational reason why marijuana is still illegal.

      There is no rational reason marijuana is illegal. The reason it was made illegal, via the Marijuana Tax Act or 1937 was because hemp was a perceived threat to some rich and powerful industrialists. MIT did a study in the '30s on using hemp as a source of pulp for paper making. An acre or hemp will produce as much paper as one acre of forest. It concluded an acre of hemp would produce much more paper than an acre of forest. So newspaper magnate William Randolph Hearst, who also owned 100s of thousands of California forests he logged to make paper saw hemp as a threat. Plastic was originally made from plant cellulose, which hemp is a good source. Then in 1935 DuPont was awarded a patent on making the plastic Nylon from petroleum. Dupont and DuPont's chief financial backer Andrew Mellon of the Mellon Bank of Pittsburgh saw the competition from hemp as a threat.

      Petroleum was also threatened because of alcohol and Diesel. Henry Ford designed and built an auto on his Iron Mountain estate that used hemp he grew on the estate as a source of fuel. The hemp was made into alcohol which the auto used. The interior of the auto also used hemp, the paneling, dashboard, and other parts were made from hemp. Before Ford's use of hemp to make alcohol Rudolph Diesel, the designer of the diesel engine, used vegetable oil as fuel, including oil from peanuts. At the Paris Expo when he realized there was not enough peanut oil he used hemp oil as fuel for his engine. This threatened Rockefeller's Standard Oil and Rothschild's Shell Oil.

      There were others who saw hemp as a threat as well. When congress was "debating", which was no debate, the Marijuana Tax Act only one doctor testified about hemp and whether it was a threat. On behalf of the AMA Dr James Woodward testified before congress saying "there is no evidence that marijuana is a dangerous drug". In return the AMA and he were denounced. The fact is though is that medical professionals did use hemp as a drug effectively. However Harry J. Anslinger, who was appointed as the first Commissioner of the Treasury Department's Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN) by his uncle-in-law Andrew Mellon, of the Mellon Bank, who was the Secretary of the US Treasury.

      All together hemp AKA marijuana was not made illegal because it was a dangerous drug but because some powerful people saw it as a threat to their wealth.

      Falcon

    66. Re:Rational by falconwolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I always thought that marijuana has never been legalized, is because no one can ever remember where they left the petitions!!!

      Hemp AKA marijuana was legal to begin with in the US. Many of the USA'a Founding Fathers were farmers who grew hemp. The first three presidents of the USA George Washington, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson all grew hemp on their farms. Thomas Jefferson once said farmers should be required to grow hemp, however he couldn't propose such a law because he knew that it would violate the farmers' rights. Hemp was only made illegal with the passage of the Marijuana Tax ACT of 1937. Yet even then it wasn't compleatly illegal. During WWII the federal government's Department of Agriculture produced the movie "Hemp for Victory" and showed it to farmers to encourage them to grow hemp. Besides the oil from hemp seeds, hemp was used to make cloth, cords, and rope.

      Falcon

    67. Re:Rational by shaitand · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, in the most the united states its almost that easy. You just have to pick the males as soon as you can differentiate them (marijuana has male and female plants, the good stuff comes from the unpolinated flowers of the female).

      Most of the 'secret' information about growing marijuana is needed to compensate for the inability to grow it outside under the full power of the sun, rich natural soil, natural mineral rain water, and the flowing open air. In those conditions outside in a temperate climate marijuana is an annual that will grow to monsterous size, reach nearly the theoretical maximum potency for the strain in question (Not all Cannabis is Cannabis Sativa you willfully ignorant botonists).

      Culling the males prevents pollination and causes the females to enlarge the pistols and produce copious amounts of resin on the flowers (the resin is the good stuff) in hopes that pollen will stick to it.

    68. Re:Rational by TheSpoom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you're being a bit redundant with the whole "lazy hippies" thing.

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    69. Re:Rational by harry666t · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As I've stated in another post in this thread, I do not do any drugs (although I'd like to try out salvia), preferring meditation and other natural methods.

      I do not own a TV. It's been veeeery long since I've observed that no matter how many channels I have to choose from, there's still nothing interesting to watch. Later I've learned that you don't need to watch TV for longer than 30 seconds before your mind shifts into an alpha state, where you are very, very susceptible to manipulation. So I do my best to avoid TVs, and I don't feel like any of the value is being lost.

      Oh, and the spiritual growth? You probably do not know how does it feel like, and you'll never understand until you'll feel it. I could go on talking about it for a whole day and you'll learn nothing. This is like an orange. You could write an essay on oranges and you'll know nothing about them until you've tasted one.

      Physical stuff. When I was poor (and there was a time when I was /very/ poor), I thought money would solve all of my problems. Well, I recently got a nice new job, etc, and now I have more money than I really need. Well, what would I spend it on? New computer? Hell, I've got six, why would I need seventh. A car? Besides that I don't have a driving license, I always go everywhere by foot anyway. And what, my work is 5 minutes away from home and my university is 15 minutes away. A TV? Rotfl. A new dish washing machine, because the old one broke last month? I've found manual dish washing an excellent form of meditation, and in the meantime, the old broken junk started working again. Hmmm... The pot! No, I do not do drugs... Hookers?... Uh, I don't have trouble picking up girls. A new set of strings for my guitar... Now, that's something I could make a good use of! That's 20 PLN (about $5). Hmm...

      It's not that I've lost all interest in all material stuff -- I'm aware of its important role in my life (and raising awareness is one of the points of spiritual evolution). I just realize now that it couldn't make my life better beyond a certain point, and that's where other things come into play. One of these other things is exploring the world that could be seen only through the eye that most of us have not opened yet.

  3. Well that's good news! by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now they'll be able to remember how to get to the cheese in that maze again! Maybe they should replace the cheese with Cheetos though?

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  4. She's asking for snacks too by Clever7Devil · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Mommy, I'm really worried about grandma. She couldn't remember my name this morning. Is she sick?" "It's fine honey, that's not alzheimers, grandma is straight buzzin from her medicinal doobie."

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  5. A marketing opportunity. by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder which will be first to market -- marijuana spiked coffee, or coffee-flavored marijuana?

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    1. Re:A marketing opportunity. by GargamelSpaceman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ya know, it's probably nothing special about marijuana per-se. Maybe it's just that causing your brain to malfunction with drugs, and make connections it would otherwise ( rightly ) be tuned not to make, exercises connections that don't get used much since the learning they embody is 'over and done with' and has been for years.

      Your brain expects a connection to remain viable permanently. But under assault from plaques etc in the case of alzheimers, often connections break down unexpectedly. Causing them to be revisited periodically (when high) because a chemical makes the connection once again interesting for a time, may allow the brain to find and correct errors that have cropped up before too much damage is done. In the case of Alzheimer's and certain drugs used for pleasure, the damage if any done by the drug may be outweighed by the brain fscking itself ( metaphorically ) more often.

      I've read that the following have beneficial effects for alzheimers: Caffiene, Marijuana, Nicotine. What else might cause a fsck? It might be interesting to look for beneficial effects associated with:

      Psilocybin, Opiates, Antidepressants etc.

      Antidepressants seem the most likely to be relatively harmless, yet trigger the brain's error detection and correction mechanism. Antidepressants basically work by messing things up. Soon the brain copes, and then they stop working, and the meds must be switched. The new med works slightly differently, so the brain can't cope immediately. Maybe exposing the brain to substances that cause different kinds of errors could trigger different sorts of fscking mechanisms to repair different sorts of errors that might crop up in alzheimers.

      Or maybe not.

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  6. Full Text of the Research Paper by Ohio+Calvinist · · Score: 5, Informative

    The full text of the research paper is available at-- http://faculty.psy.ohio-state.edu/marchalant/pdf/marchalantetalneurobiolaging2008.pdf on the co-author's Departmental website. Might be helpful since TFA is an article out of the University's student newspaper which tends to be a little light on details (speaking as an alumni).

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  7. The Dude by rirugrat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

  8. Carcinogneic by turgid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cannabis/Marijuana is carcinogenic, and about four times as carcinogenic as tobacco.

    They say that if tobacco were "discovered" today it would be outlawed straight away.

    Alcohol has serious long-term health effects too, but in the short term it also leads to intoxication and injury and death by accidents. Not just road accidents either. That would be banned as well.

    Really, the banning of all drugs is absurd. In an ideal world, adults would be responsible for their own actions and deemed wise enough to decide for themselves what and what not to ingest into their own bodies, and for their actions while under the influence of those substances. However, we live in a conservative, irrational, authoritarian world. And besides, have you seen the shockingly childish and ignorant behaviour of many adults?

    1. Re:Carcinogneic by Pictish+Prince · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cannabis/Marijuana is carcinogenic, and about four times as carcinogenic as tobacco.

      Since you didn't give any references I'll assume you're just blowing hot air.

      By way of contrast, why don't you read some peer-reviewed articles.

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    2. Re:Carcinogneic by apparently · · Score: 2

      You can eat (chew) tobacco too. It gives you mouth cancer, amongst others.

      And considering that marijuana has no such effect, your point is waving bye-bye to you.

    3. Re:Carcinogneic by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cannabis/Marijuana is carcinogenic, and about four times as carcinogenic as tobacco.

      No it is not: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html

      What you are repeating is a clever bit of propaganda: They measured the difference between unfiltered joints and filtered cigarettes, and instead of concluding "filtering reduces carcinogens by a factor if 4", they declared "cannabis causes cancer".
      There are several things wrong with this conclusion, the first of which being that the sought-after active ingredients of cannabis, THC, are cancer-suppressants, while nicotine is carcinogenic.
      Another is that they measured different smoking technologies, and declared a difference between different materials smoked, rather than different methods.

      When hearing about a scientific study, you need to make an effort to go look at what they actually measured, rather than simply believing their conclusions. They pull this sort of dishonest stunts all the time.

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  9. safer drugs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    yeah, cause we all know how good acetaminophen is for your liver, how good ibuprofen is for your digestive track not to mention how good opiods[/ates] are for your brain but thankfully they're completely non-addictive and nobody's ever died from overdose...

    please tell me you're a troll...

  10. Not before bed by imp7 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just don't smoke before bed so you get all of your REM sleep. Best time is to smoke is after the dishes are done.

    1. Re:Not before bed by Khyber · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Quit smoking indicas and stick to sativas if you smoke before bed. I have no problems dreaming at all and I wake up fully refreshed after a sativa sleep. Indica sleeps are absolutely deep and dreamless.

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  11. GREAT, just great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    So the way to not be addled and forgetful from Alzheimer's as an oldster is to be addled and forgetful as a youngster from the reefer.

    Thanks, science.

  12. Rats aren't people by indytx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, you can swap possible long-term memory loss for probable short-term memory loss. I'll wait for the large, double-blind study after they've isolated what exactly in the marijuana, if anything, reduces the risk of Alzheimer's. Meanwhile, there have been recent reports that coffee and red wine could reduce the risk of Alzheimer's. Seems like a safer, not to mention legal, alternative to experimenting on yourself by breathing smoke. Most doctors will agree that any smoking is harmful, and before you say that it can be eaten or steeped like tea, carcinogens can still cause cancer even if not smoked.

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    1. Re:Rats aren't people by Phortune · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Moreover, the increase in potency of cannabis (due largely to intensive hydroponic growing methods, as well as selective breeding and interbreeding of various strains of cannabis) over the past few decades has lead to a marked increased incidence in the onset of psychosis in long-term users of the drug. I hardly think that a lifetime of suffering from psychosis, and the hideous side-effects of anti-psychotic drugs, is a worthwhile price to pay for a minor increase in long-term memory later in life, not to mention a piss-poor short-term memory in the meantime. If people knew the torture of living with schizophrenia then they wouldn't be so quick to jump on the "let's-all-smoke-cannabis-and-have-an-awesome-time" band-wagon. I've smoked weed too - it feels good, I know. Not good enough to be worth risking that...

    2. Re:Rats aren't people by flynt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll wait for the large, double-blind study after they've isolated what exactly in the marijuana, if anything, reduces the risk of Alzheimer's.

      Does smoking cigarettes cause lung cancer? Could you please cite a large, double-blind, randomized clinical trial that demonstrated that?

    3. Re:Rats aren't people by ChienAndalu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      and before you say that it can be eaten or steeped like tea, carcinogens can still cause cancer even if not smoked.

      Thats true. Luckily there aren't any carcinogens in the cannabis oil itself, which is just like any other plant oil you might use in your household. It just has an additional psychotropic component.

      So no, you do not have a point.

    4. Re:Rats aren't people by Jewfro_Macabbi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yet actual studies have found Marijuana reduces rates of all cancers - including lung cancer. Smokers who also smoke marijuana have a lower rate of lung cancer than smokers who only smoke cigarettes.

      http://current.com/items/89590938/study_finds_marijuana_smokers_have_lower_cancer_risk_than_tobacco_smokers_norml.htm

      Care to try again?

      If you want actual human studies - there are 4 grandfathered medical marijuana patients in the United States who have been smoking daily for 25 years now. Not one has shown any adverse health affects.

    5. Re:Rats aren't people by ion.simon.c · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you want actual human studies - there are 4 grandfathered medical marijuana patients in the United States who have been smoking daily for 25 years now. Not one has shown any adverse health affects.

      [citation needed]

  13. Um...I forgot by hyades1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Marijuana doesn't prevent Alzheimer's so much as give you little, reversible doses of it with every joint. So when the Big A comes along and tries to eat your brain, your brain just goes, "Oh, this again. Glad I remembered to pick up the Cheese Doodles".

    It's a training thing.

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  14. Enforcement of different laws is irrelevant by Brain-Fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So you are saying that illegal-to-drive-while-baked is difficult to enforce.

    That utterly fails to justify making it illegal to use when not driving.

    You are merely punishing the law-abiding citizens because a *different law* is difficult to enforce (and will be broken by the criminals anyway).

    That is irrational.

  15. Re:Suppressed Research by conureman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Dr. Tod Mikuriya told me that he had done some research for the government (during the Carter years), but when his findings indicated probable therapeutic benefit and lack of harm, the report was suppressed.

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  16. 1960s generation getting to that age by peter303 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    they joke about this in the auto insurance ads. However, we could start seeing the *real* effects of mj use, if there are any.

  17. marijuana laws were also, originally, racist by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Interesting

    granddaddy was a drunk in germany and ireland, and so alcohol is familiar

    while marijuana was something that was first encountered as something brown-skinned people used, and therefore, exotic and scary and somehow more dangerous

    the first american anti-marijuana laws were in the western states in the early 1900s, and they were explicitly pointed at mexican and mexican american behavior:

    In the early 1900s, the western states developed significant tensions regarding the influx of Mexican-Americans. The revolution in Mexico in 1910 spilled over the border, with General Pershing's army clashing with bandit Pancho Villa. Later in that decade, bad feelings developed between the small farmer and the large farms that used cheaper Mexican labor. Then, the depression came and increased tensions, as jobs and welfare resources became scarce.

    One of the "differences" seized upon during this time was the fact that many Mexicans smoked marijuana and had brought the plant with them, and it was through this that California apparently passed the first state marijuana law, outlawing "preparations of hemp, or loco weed."

    However, one of the first state laws outlawing marijuana may have been influenced, not just by Mexicans using the drug, but, oddly enough, because of Mormons using it. Mormons who traveled to Mexico in 1910 came back to Salt Lake City with marijuana. The church's reaction to this may have contributed to the state's marijuana law. (Note: the source for this speculation is from articles by Charles Whitebread, Professor of Law at USC Law School in a paper for the Virginia Law Review, and a speech to the California Judges Association (sourced below). Mormon blogger Ardis Parshall disputes this.)

    Other states quickly followed suit with marijuana prohibition laws, including Wyoming (1915), Texas (1919), Iowa (1923), Nevada (1923), Oregon (1923), Washington (1923), Arkansas (1923), and Nebraska (1927). These laws tended to be specifically targeted against the Mexican-American population.

    http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html

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    1. Re:marijuana laws were also, originally, racist by falconwolf · · Score: 4, Informative

      the first and third presidents of the USA, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew hemp on their farms. The second president John Adams wanted to use hemp as a cash crop.

      Yeah but they weren't smoking it. Marijuana generally refers to dope not rope

      When hemp was outlawed drug warriors called it marijuana to confuse people. In testimony before congress Dr. James Woodward speaking for the AMA said the AMA did not know that the "killer weed from Mexico" that was called marijuana was hemp. The AMA only learned what was being talked about was in fact hemp 2 days before the hearing. He further stated "We cannot understand yet, Mr Chairman, why this bill had been prepared in secret for two years without any intimation, even to the profession" that it was being prepared.

      Falcon

  18. Daises for Aljerfom? by Palshife · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is the rosesforalgermon some subtle joke having to do with Alzheimer's disease preventing them remembering that it's actually called 'Flowers for Algernon?' If so, brilliant.

    Something tells me it wasn't though ;)

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  19. Medicinal marijuana by wfstanle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem with the current legal status of marijuana it that legitimate medical research is hampered. Sure, there is some medical research happening but nowhere as much as there could be. There are many components of marijuana that are not involved with getting you high and these components may have medical benefits. The problem is that we just don't know about them because of all the hysteria generated by "Reefer Madness". We need a calm and rational investigation about all the components of marijuana.

  20. Oh, I agree by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 2

    There are an infinite number of dimensions to the whole argument, and basically there are few, if any, good reasons for MJ being illegal. I'm sure someone will trot out each one.

    Hemp would pretty well wipe out cotton as a fiber crop, and might well wipe out many of the oil seed crops as well.

    Technically I believe that in most states with the proper permits and using approved commercial seed you CAN grow hemp as a crop legally. The problem then is that the market for it is a lot more limited than that for cotton and there are various hoops you have to jump through.

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  21. Makes sense actually by Jewfro_Macabbi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Alzheimer's is plaque build-up on your brain receptors. While smoking weed - THC binds (then later releases) from these very same receptors. Think of weed as brain cleaner.

  22. Off Schedule I by Xelios · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Marijuana, Schedule I:
    Findings required (from Controlled Substances Act):

    (A) The drug or other substance has high potential for abuse.
    (B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    (C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

    None of these conditions are met for marijuana, so why isn't its Schedule I classification being challenged in court?

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    1. Re:Off Schedule I by justinlee37 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (A) is true. Not that I am in favor of hand-holding nanny-state government, mind you. Drug prohibition stifles the economy.

  23. too bad by ClioCJS · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Too bad for you that marijuana is a completely non-toxic substance. Chew it 24/7 your entire life and you wont get mouth cancer. Look into it. Find out what an LD50 level is.

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  24. Ainslinger's Campaign late 30's by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Alan Ginsberg wrote a reasonably scholarly treatise a few decades ago called "The Marijuana Papers" detailing the campaign of Harry J. Ainslinger to portray marijuana smokers as some deranged combination of heroin and speed addict. Nobody knew any differently, and the media channel was rather narrow in the late 30's when Ainslinger used the weed as a plank in his senatorial campaign. We would somehow need to unravel and counter that in order to repeal the damage. I'd suggest you're right, that some form of education campaign is in order here.

    And marijuana wasn't actually rendered illegal in subsequent legislation, it was simply given an egregiously high federal tax per ounce on its sale. By avoiding the tax, traffickers were able to be pursued by federal rather than state authorities, thus its entrenchment in federal pursuit.

    It was postulated that since the perception was that only blacks smoked hemp, the idea of this "social disease" being transmitted cross-culturally implied a form of sanction for racism, and thus appealed to the fearful white anglo-saxon protestant (WASP) that made up most of Ainslinger's voter demographic in 1938.

    Anyway, if you can find a copy it makes very interesting reading.

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  25. "Canavanoid"? by RexTremendae · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Canavanoid" = cannabinoid. If the professor himself described the substance in that manner I am skeptical of the conclusions of his research as it would seem that, after exposure to all of that chronic, he has forgotten how to spell!