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Miro 2.0 Launches Today
soDean writes "Miro just launched their 2.0 release today. The free and open source HD video player and Internet TV features an all-new interface and an entirely rewritten UI engine, plus tons of new features and improvements — it's less of a collection of new stuff and more of a rethinking of the whole experience. You can download Miro 2.0 here for Linux, Mac, and Windows. Miro is developed by the Participatory Culture Foundation, a 501(c)(3) non-profit, hell-bent on making Internet video more open and decentralized, along with a dedicated community of users, volunteers, translators, testers, and coders."
You also need to focus on the PUBLISH side. In particular, I would push a publisher for Musicians. Make it compete against MTV, etc.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
1. Miro currently sucks at 1024x768 due to an interface that scales poorly (I'm looking at you, left hand tab). I sure hope Miro 2.0 is better.
2. Scam School is awesome.
Since many distributions don't have it in their repositories yet, you might want to grab the source and build it yourself.
I can't be alone in my problems with Ubuntu's media player. I installed Ubuntu in a VPC in order to be able to surf porn sites on my work computer and be undetectable in case someone tried to go through my cache. Things worked great except that I simply wasn't able to get video to work in the media player.
It's not the end of the world. I can of course download static images, but sometimes it's more enjoyable to see porn in motion.
Anyone else have the same problem? Does Miro solve this problem?
The last time I tried Miro it installed something called "OpenCandy" on my system without my permission. I think I'll pass until the Miro developers realize who owns this computer....HINT: Me, not them, not opencandy, or whatever else wants to piggyback with the installer.
--bornagainpenguin
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I'm all praise for Miro. After discovering it, my TV viewing dropped considerably. Channels like 'The Real News' provide unbiased, in-depth coverage of world events. Channels like Submedia / It's the End of the World as we Know it provide some nice activist news with a health sprinkling of comedy. Then there are some pretty nice documentaries. Oh, and then there's that tech babe with gadget reviews ( can't remember the name of the channel for the moment ). But anyway, both the quality and the quantity of Miro channels runs rings around what's available via free-to-air stuff AND pay TV. And there are no ads!
miro2.0 for os x says...
"Miro Error
An unexpected error has occurred during execution of the main script
error: (64, 'Host is down')"
when i try to launch, any suggestions?
-S
Fuck those stupid code names for Ubuntu! Put the damn version numbers up like normal people. Alliterative animal names are for 4 year olds. Get over them.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
Be careful
you must be new here
Hulu doesn't recognize that I have Flash 10 installed (64-bit) when run thru Miro. How do I tell Miro that I really do have Flash? It works fine in Firefox.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
LOL @ post history.
My internal Turing/Voight-Kampff tests are returning inconclusive results.
(It's an actual human doing the posting, with way too much time on its hands or with the aid of some sort of notification bot - I call it Notiflor!.)
I notice they mention sites like Hulu and CBS on their site, but I assume this is only available to US residents? They cunningly don't mention any restrictions.
Have they got round this, or is this content still blacked out for most of the world?
To any developers, please listen carefully.
From and end-user perspective, BugZilla is a complicated, confusing, steaming pile of shit!
As an end-user I shouldn't have to "create an account", "login" or anything else to report a damn bug. Especially from a link within the program itself. A brief bit of text outlining what makes up a good bug report is fine, but I shouldn't have to jump thru hoops just to say "X is broken, here is how to reproduce it, here is my config".
For other developers, it is fine. For end-users, it is a nightmare.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
Got a Fuppes + 360 question. How do you solve the problem of the MP3s randomly skipping to the next track, before the track is over? I'm otherwise having no problems running it
I used to use Miro, for the better part of a year, and while I loved certain parts of it there were a few other things that eventually drove me away from using it. I got really tired of the odd crash, which while not a daily occurrence was still often enough to be quite irritating, and then also some videos just wouldn't play properly, and then there was the OBSCENE amount of RAM it used just idling in the background. I don't care what explanations the people over there kept coming up to justify why a glorified podcatcher was using ~150megs of RAM when minimized in the background doing NOTHING other than just checking some RSS feeds once an hour, that just irked me from day one and was a fairly major factor in why I stopped using it.
Now, it's been maybe half a year since I stopped using it, and maybe this 2.0 release is the bees knees fixing this and that, but unless they've gotten that RAM usage down I'll just make do with letting GoogleReader let me know when i can go stream my latest episodes.
what tv shows can I get with this?
I'm still trying to figure out how popular projects like Miro and Songbird really are, and why. How useful is mashing Web functions together with media to create some interactive behemoth? Why do people need these bloated apps for content discovery when browsing a Web site and running an RSS-supporting torrent client is at least as effective?
Is it just the convenience of not leaving an app? If it's the interface, I understand even less - both are so cluttered, even with Miro's upgrade, and resource-intensive. Neither appears to have any meaningful integration with any media center software - MythTV can't even sync with Miro's library without a hack since Miro doesn't have much of a backend API - and neither has much of a 10-foot interface, so that kills it for me on a TV, which is the only place I'd watch anything more than a YouTube clip.
The UI is mouse centric.
I like some of the features,
but the UI is not useful on a media center,
as it complexity prevents the use of an IR remote to control it.
I look forward 3.0.
I understand and concur about not wanting programs to install stuff you don't want, but I thought I'd mention that this is not as bad as having proprietary software do something similar. With proprietary software you have no option to edit anything to make it work as you wish, or get it edited for you by someone you trust. With FLOSS that option exists even if you choose not to take advantage of it. FLOSS actually respects your ownership by giving you everything you need to make the program behave as you wish. Proprietary software does not respect your position that you own and should control your computer. Whether you are willing to leverage software freedom to your fullest benefit is a completely different issue that is entirely in your control.
As it so happens, the Miro team is a pretty nice and responsive bunch of people so I don't think you'll find Miro doing something so unexpected now.
Digital Citizen
More organizations need the term "hell-bent on" in their mission statement.
moox. for a new generation.
Most of the HD clips are just stinking movie trailers.
California Music Channel....
Bring back in their former gory, or glory, Weird Al Yancovic and Elvis Costello... and some Blancmange...
Go back full circle... Then, Thrillingly, they can sing Everyday they Write the Book, while Living on the Ceiling, hehehhe
Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
Pedophile Panda?
Sadistic Swan?
Terrorist Turtle?
Pirate Pinniped?
Homosexual Hippopotamus?
Republican Ram?
Lesbian Lobster?
Genocidal Gerbil
Transsexual Termite?
Homicidal Hummingbird?
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Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
It also tries to integrate your torrent downloads so that you can track them from Miro as well.
I'm running this on a mac and it appears that there's still not yet a proper solution for a torrent client with RSS. UTorrent was recently released for mac but it lacks many key features of the Windows client such as the RSS feed. http://tvrss.net/ seems to be a good, clean torrent feed and you can key in search terms to make sure you're only getting one provider of the show at a time. Will probably work great on Windows.
I'm a recent mac convert and am surprised to read other mac heads saying they preferred running windows torrent programs under wine or in xp under parallels rather than deal with the sucky offerings for mac clients.
Kwisatz Haderach
Sell the spice to CHOAM
This Mahdi took Shaddam's Throne
I add the ATOM or RSS feed in RSSOwl, let BitTyrant open up the incoming torrents and open the result in whatever is associated with the file, usually this will be Windows Media Player (I tried several others, but I have to give MS a thumbs up on the design of WMP's interface). The only thing that could be made (slightly) more supple is to have RSSOwl automatically open torrents instead of requiring a click from me. But otherwise its pretty painless, and I don't see how having another application (especially one as heavyweight as Miro) for this purpose can be a good thing.
This is one of those apps which try to do everything, but turn out to be useless bloated crap. Why would I want to use this thing instead of the real RSS reader, bittorrent client, video player, download manager and web browser? I tried it one year ago, and I have done the same today - I really don't see any improvements - the interface is very chunky, inresponsive and doesn't fit in any desktop environemnt. Ohh... and one of my first video search results (I typed "animation" into search box) was elephant having sex with rhino...
I open it up and what do I get, about 6 dialogs telling me it can't connect to servers.
1. Don't connect without asking me, thanks.
2. You apparently can't connect until I can set my network settings, I guess you don't use the OS proxies.
3. You don't have any place to set the proxies.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
Does it do something I need, that VLC media player doesn't do?
Assume I am too lazy to RTFA.
This is not a troll, I have no clue what Miro is. TIA, and not from an AC.
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
Miro no longer requires Java! I'm all about it! This is day one though, so this is no endorsement.
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
A modestly sized program, and easy to install. I told it to go catalog my media and it grabbed some pr0n it couldn't even play and some .ogg files from Wesnoth that I turn off the sound to avoid hearing. Then it crashed.
Forced quit and tried it again. Watched a funny Onion spot and some bullshit propaganda called "The New World Order." Then it crashed again.
Maybe I'll wait for 3.0
Only his tendency toward a dazed stupor prevented him from screaming aloud.
Interesting. I wonder. That is an interesting idea to replicate.
A Good Troll is better than a Bad Human.
Not sure why it won't work.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Yawn. Can't say I'm excited yet. Still no Solaris.
Call me when I can give a damn.
When can we see some integration between Miro and UPNP clients like the PS3 and Xbox 360?
I'm fully appreciative of downloading torrents with my 6 down 1 up DSL, which peers in a typical torrent seem to like. I really do like Miro's interface.
But the computer is in the computer room. And the TV and PS3 are in the living room. And while the computer monitor I'm looking at right now is rather nice, I'd rather watch TV on the 52" Samsung while sitting on my couch in the living room.
When are these folks going to start bringing content outside of the PC, so people can sit somewhere more relaxing (or with more people) than in front of a PC?
Kid-proof tablet..
The power of television has been the ability to commercialize "free" entertainment. All you have to do is wait through the commercials during the show and you get the show for free.
In today's work-flow, everything is "choose your own adventure". Jobs these days are so cut-throat that people have to make intense business plans around everything and look for places to be more effective. We make hundreds of thousands of decisions every day. Look at starbucks. It's not just "cream or sugar", you have like 500 options.
Now with the internet TV, I get to choose and sort through hundreds of thousands of options again.
Major network television is a chance for people to not make decisions, pick a channel and veg.
Options are good, but I don't want to spend all my time looking at options when it comes to entertainment. Just let me plug in and VEG!
Nah, it's a real person with another primary account (I forget the name at the moment). That account was made solely for that joke, as the posting history can attest to. Every time he sees a "new here" reference, he switches accounts to post that.
upon the advice of my lawyer, i have no sig at this time
One thing I like about iTunes vs Miro's selection is better variety and quality, and that's just for the free stuff. Internet video really doesn't do much good when the selection is, meh.
Shai Schticks:"You don't make peace with friends, you make peace with enemies"
Flyspray isn't quite as feature rich as BugZilla, but its much more elegant and easy to use. Its interface provides more straightforward overviews and looks more polished. Non-technical users do not seem to be as intimidated by it, which encourages greater participation.
And its open source, too.
http://flyspray.org/
Sounds like you had a bad internet connection, or more likely, that a lot of people are trying miro right now, and you should wait 'til later. This is exactly what I dislike about miro (among few things I dislike about it, that is). They aren't REALLY trying to democratise or decentralise TV. Actually, they're centralising many independent producers in their own catalog of TV shows. I imagine, at some point in future, they'll probably start charging to have your feed published there in some more conspicuous way. Better than traditional top-down TV broadcasting, yes, but only by virtue of Miro not getting very far with its plans yet. It's the opposite of democratisation really.
If you have an easy to use publisher type software, then it should allow small groups to make some interesting stuff. In particular, with this recession getting worse, I think that we will see 15-20% with the current formula. And if we were using the old formula from GD days, we are already over 20% unemployment. The point being that PLENTY of ppl will have time and computers to think about this. They will decide to do something new and different. If I can make a suggestion, put your competitors links on your site. Let ppl know that this is moving forward.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
How to setup Miro for automatic downloading of your favorite shows. I've been doing this for a couple of years now. Grab your feeds from tvRSS.net. Use the filters properly and will d/l only the episodes you want. Enjoy.
How does it work with Comcast's Torrent Disruption System?
Anyone running Miro from a Comcast connection? Can the torrenting aspect be disabled?
I come here for the love
POC. Only once can I recall any success compiling their stuff from source. But then it died a horrible segfault. Oh wait, still the same ol' stupid shit. They are stuck on ancient Python versions. Apparently the developers don't know how to install current version of Python. And forget about the Python 2.6 patch for miro.real. That patch is already in miro-2.0.
They shouldn't promote it as a player. The player part sucks, at least on Windows it's less functional than about any other media player I've tried, even if it seems to crash less now. It's not an "Internet TV" either because it hasn't any support for streamed content, it's download first, play then. What Miro is good for is downloading and managing video feeds.
As for v2.0, I don't see much of a difference yet, except that it seems to have native widgets now but has also become uglier. I liked the black theme better, even if it didn't respect Fitts' law. I hope it will become themeable.
It's very confusing. What does this mean:
You can add streaming sites like Hulu to your sidebar (note: streaming with Flash only works in Windows and OSX)
OK, I can add hulu.com to the sidebar and it opens the site in some built-in browser (where's the email and the kitchen sink?). I can't view anything on Hulu though because I'm not in the US. And "streaming with Flash" doesn't seem to work in the player, only inside that built-in browser. Miro itself doesn't offer to play streamed videos (e.g. from Youtube), only to download them and play the downloaded file.
Karma-whoring Kangaroo?
Why settle just for 1 when you can have 2 distro names from that.
Karma Kangaroo AND Whoring Wallaby.
One can be the server version and the other a portable.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
...nor is it an operating system to most end users because the kernel + GNU toolchain do not provide services they need.
With that said, the Miro project does NOT package software for other Linux-based distros. Look at their download page for crisesakes.... The non-Ubuntu releases are put together and distributed outside of the Miro project.
And this says it all:
For Miro bugs on Mandriva, use the Mandriva bug tracker.
etc, etc.
The authors do not directly support Miro outside of Windows, OS X and Ubuntu operating systems.
Actually, don't have to switch anything but web browsers - each retaining another account's cookie, so I never have to log out. Ingenius, I know.
I am not afraid. heres my e, joghdh@gmail.com Miro 2.0 will not install in working order on my computer. I tried over thirty times in the last 3 day's and have an on going dialog with one of the designers but so far it still is not fixed to work. It takes time I know but couldn't there be a better system for getting help with problems like this on computers. many systems from different companies have problems and all they have available are prerecorded responses that don't handle the problems. And these same companies do not give you any option to speak with a real person. Most problems could be solved if someone was available like they are at Miro, the person helping me is trying. Can anyone help her help me get Miro 2.0 to install an work on my windows vista system computer.
I have osx 10.3.9 here, too. Same problem. It just bounces in the dock a little and then, nothing. Seems it is not compatible with 10.3.9