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CRTC Mulls Canadian Content On the Internet

PsiCTO writes "The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission is going to weigh Internet content regulation — this could mean requiring some amount of Canadian content coming across Canadian pipes. The CRTC is akin to the FCC. They get that they can't 'regulate' the Internet, but are proposing to promote additional Canadian content in some way, as is currently done with radio and TV content. Likely they will discuss tax credits, subsidies, grants, or other traditional mechanisms. What do people think about this? Are there similar efforts, existing or proposed, in other countries?"

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  1. Net Neutrality in Action by brian0918 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is net neutrality in action. Once you hand over responsibility to the government, your service is only as good as those in power see fit. Internet censorship becomes a political whim, to be used when it is politically profitable for campaigns.

    1. Re:Net Neutrality in Action by jetsci · · Score: 3, Informative

      Note: I work for the CRTC. They are not proposing influencing the content itself but rather the distribution. As mentioned in the article, we do it for radio and television and it ensures that local artists are not over-shadowed by our Southern counterparts.

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    2. Re:Net Neutrality in Action by SemiSpook · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oddly enough, Rick Moranis revealed that the Mackenzie Brothers skit tacked on to the tail end of every episode of SCTV fulfilled the CRTC requirement. If someone could figure a way to do that for 'net content, you'd be golden.

    3. Re:Net Neutrality in Action by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Informative

      And how, pray tell, are you going to influence distribution? Are you going to set up massive filters at the borders to insert Canadian commercials like Starchoice and Bell Expressvu do with satellites (never was there a better justification for grey dishes than this unholy bit of interference)? Are you going to force foreign content providers to test for IP addresses to make sure Canadians are seeing the appropriate amount of Canadian content?

      There's a story about King Canute trying to hold back the tide. You guys at the CRTC should read it. The Internet is going to render Canadian content rules obsolete and unenforceable. You cannot force me to download Canadian content. The most you can do is abuse the CRTC's powers to up my Internet bill so some unaccountable board hands out welfare cheques to "artists".

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    4. Re:Net Neutrality in Action by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a great story. When they started showing SCTV down in the States, the CRTC demanded that some extra time in every episode be Canadian in content. So, feeling that this was an insane and idiotic intrusion on the show, Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas literally put a couch in front of a map of Canada, had a single cameraman rolling, and sat around being as stereotypical as possible beer-swilling inbred Ontario morons for the required number of minutes. Bob and Doug were nothing more than one big F--- You to the CRTC's Canadian content rules.

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    5. Re:Net Neutrality in Action by plover · · Score: 4, Funny

      You wrote:

      "Note: I work for the CRTC. They are not proposing influencing the content itself but rather the distribution."

      In either case, the nanny province is telling me what I can and cannot watch. Whether it is the content, that is direct cesorship, or the distribution, that is the ability to see what I want without "help" from the government (that is you), it is STILL censorship. It is, like all cancon laws, tarted up censorship, eh.

      JE

      There, I Canuckified that for you. It's now compliant with the Canadian Content laws.

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    6. Re:Net Neutrality in Action by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This isn't net neutrality at all. This is a government agency requiring the exact opposite of net neutrality, namely the favoring of one kind of content over another. By the looks of things you're conflating "net neutrality" with "any government regulation of the Internet".

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    7. Re:Net Neutrality in Action by adonoman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, I think it was CBC, not the CRTC, that was pushing the Canadian content:

      The sketch was conceived when SCTV moved to the CBC television network. Each episode to be broadcast on that network was two minutes longer than those syndicated to the United States. The CBC network heads asked the show's producers to add specifically and identifiably Canadian content for those two minutes. Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas thought that this was a ridiculous request, since the show had been taped in Canada, with a mostly Canadian cast and crew, for two years.

    8. Re:Net Neutrality in Action by internerdj · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hmmm on one side I hand over responsibility to an entity that I give money to work for me but doesn't, on the other side I hand over responsibility to an entity I give money to work for me but doesn't. Decisions, Decisions.

    9. Re:Net Neutrality in Action by armer · · Score: 4, Funny

      But you forgot to Canuckify your post eh, you hoser...

    10. Re:Net Neutrality in Action by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's a story about King Canute trying to hold back the tide.

      Maybe they need to read the story about Aqluktikut, the Innuit hunter who was trying to stop the polar bear from being white... It's got more Canadian content.

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    11. Re:Net Neutrality in Action by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Funny

      Jeez. How tyrannical.

      The Canadian Provinces should secede from the Confederation and come join the United States. (Except Quebec. You can remain independent or join France, or something.) We already invited the Canadians to join us in 1776. That invitation is still open.

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    12. Re:Net Neutrality in Action by supernova_hq · · Score: 3, Funny

      I though we made our opinion of joining the United States quite clear when we burned down your precious white house in 1814...

  2. But all my internet content is porn by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 3, Funny

    So are we now going to get goverment subsidised canadian porn? For that matter, get the canadian goverment to ensure that canadian slashdot readers get the right percentage of canadian first posts?

    I don't know what they smoke in canada but it got to be good.

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    1. Re:But all my internet content is porn by oldspewey · · Score: 3, Funny

      only for certain values of "way"

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    2. Re:But all my internet content is porn by poetmatt · · Score: 3, Funny

      Those aren't hockey sticks they're waving

    3. Re:But all my internet content is porn by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Basically, yes.

      Instead of attempting to regulate the internet, which would be insane at best and totally fucktarded at worst, they're probably going to try something else.

      That would be grants and tax breaks to Canadian providers of internet content. Iliad (userfriendly) might get to write off (his? her?) bandwidth as a legitimate expense. If you create a blog, you might be able to get a grant. I don't know what they're planning.

      The CRTC might be a huge bloated archaic corporation, but they're not complete morons.

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  3. CanCon by oldspewey · · Score: 3, Informative

    Canadian Content laws may be controversial, but there is no denying that it has helped Canadian art and artists flourish. Personally, I don't mind paying a few extra bucks each year on my tax return, if it means I get to live in a richer, more interesting society as a result.

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    1. Re:CanCon by msobkow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It hasn't helped Canadian "art" flourish. Quite the opposite -- it's provided funding to drek that no one wants. Commercial art (i.e. TV and radio) needs to be competitive to survive, not propped up by tax dollars. Witness the CBC's abysmal ratings and lack of standout series for the past many years.

      An article I read this weekend explained that they're talking about Can-Con for foreign web broadcasters, including some TV channels that internet broadcast from the Phillipines. I don't think I've ever heard a more ludicrous thing -- demanding that foreign stations carry Canadian content!

      Rather than bleat about the competition, CBC could do like CTV and start internet broadcasting their series as streaming video. The only CanCon rules I support would be to mandate that Canadian content be internet-enabled so that it can compete. Navel-gazing demands on the content carried by foreign channels is pointless -- there is no way to enforce it and it would be considered as interference by the nations where those channels are based, and rightly so.

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    2. Re:CanCon by MikeBabcock · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, CBC probably has some of the best radio and news content available, while I'm not personally a fan of most of their TV series.

      Their radio shows are all available online as podcasts, and they produce excellent content that I'm proud to sponsor with my tax money.

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  4. Government should not compete by wealthychef · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What is special about "Canadian content" anyhow? The whole notion of nationalism needs to begin fading into the background. If there is something unique of value that the Canadian gov't brings to its citizens, fine, but an attempt to promote the Canadian brand by the government is not really useful in the big picture. If there is something great to publish, then there is no real barrier to its being published. This is just branding and it's a waste of time.

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    1. Re:Government should not compete by onkelonkel · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't think you understand how vitally important this is. Without CanCon rules there would have been no Bryan Adams, no Alanis Morisette, no Avril Lavigne, no Celene Dion.

      OK, never mind.

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    2. Re:Government should not compete by Old97 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What nonsense. What in the hell is "cultural imperialism" anyway? It's an inflammatory but meaningless term. Quality Canadian artists thrive on the world stage and in the U.S. Even mediocre ones seem to do well. As for "economic imperialism", Canada does very well in its trade relations with the U.S. Canada's economy is a good balance of extractive, agricultural, manufacturing and service businesses. If there was any "economic imperialism" involved then the U.S would only be trading automobiles for timber and oil. That's not the case. Canada manufactures and exports automobiles, consultants, service, rail and other transportation services, and a whole host of high value economic products. To top it all off, Canada gets a big defense subsidy by being next to the U.S. It can afford to spend much less as a percent of GDP on defense because it knows the U.S. won't allow anyone to attack it. The CRTC and certain other Canadians engaging in this delusional paranoia are really undervaluing what Canada, Canadians and Canadian culture produce. Otherwise they wouldn't be so fearful of letting it compete fairly on the world stage. I don't see the Australians having this problem.

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    3. Re:Government should not compete by jamstar7 · · Score: 4, Informative

      You ought to torrent shows like ReGenesis, The Border, Little Mosque On The Prairie and Trailer Park Boys, a lot of which you can't get in the States unless you live close to The Line. Corner Gas is sometimes seen on WGN, however. There's some good stuff happening above The Line, and I'd LOVE to see more of it down here.

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  5. Doesn't make as much sense for the Internet by langelgjm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course this sort of thing exists in other countries, at least for broadcast media. France, for example, has quotas on both television and radio content.

    I'm not sure that it makes as much sense for the Internet, though. The French idea is that you have limited broadcast time, and without a quota, they'd be playing American music and television shows 24/7. Maybe that makes sense, but with the Internet, you don't have the same broadcasting limits. People choose what they want to listen to with ease, actively seeking out their preferred content from any number of sources.

    They can promote domestic content all they want, and it might even be a good thing, but it's not going to have the same "cultural preservation" effects as with broadcast media.

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  6. A silly idea, but may do some good by Strike+Fiss · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If the CRTC wants to encourage Canadian Content on the net, maybe they could lobby Ottawa to create tax breaks for using local companies and carbon-footprint shrinking solutions. I just recently changed my host to a Canadian provider who uses Green Energy for their datacentre and I feel pretty happy about that. I suspect plenty of personal and professional Canadian users would do the same if there was even the most reasonable incentive to do so given out by the Gov.

    And best thing about this plan: it wouldn't even require 1 out of every 100 homepages to be an Alanis Morsette or Celine Dion tribute page. (thank God...)

  7. Great.. by maddskillz · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hope this doesn't mean they expect me to download nickleback mp3's

  8. Re:It's not about the government by cyriustek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Canada clearly has a distinct culture, that many of its people want to preserve. However, it does seem that some Canadians do go a bit overboard with it.

    When traveling across Europe, or Australia or NZ, it is quite easy to pick the Canadians out. It seems that a very large percentage keep a Maple leaf somewhere on their body or clothing. Evidently, they do not like people assuming that they are Americans due to their accent, so they over compensate.

    Since many people have noticed this attitude from Canadians, they usually will not ask someone if they are American if they meet them, so as to avoid offending the Canadians. Instead, they inquire whether one is from Canada, since it seems rare for an American to be insulted by this question.

    I think this is a little like a little brother / big brother rivalry. Although Canada is large geographically, it clearly does not have the population of the USA. As such, there is not a concerted effort of Americans trying to implement imperialism over Canada, it just happens due to the numbers. We can see similar examples of this in NZ and Australia. Another example would be Wales and England.

    I cannot blame Canadians for trying to get their culture out there. However, going overboard just makes one look a bit silly.

  9. Re:It's not about the government by aok · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder how many of those people proudly wearing the maple leaf are actually Americans? While traveling in Europe about 6-7 years ago, I met around four people outside bars and restaurants who were Americans pretending to be Canadians. At this point, I just assume anyone wearing a Canadian flag on them is really just an American in disguise :)

  10. Re:It's not about the government by mewsenews · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When traveling across Europe, or Australia or NZ, it is quite easy to pick the Canadians out. It seems that a very large percentage keep a Maple leaf somewhere on their body or clothing. Evidently, they do not like people assuming that they are Americans due to their accent, so they over compensate.

    1. How is wearing a maple leaf overcompensating for a reasonable problem?
    2. How many of those folks wearing a maple leaf are Americans who don't like people assuming that they are Americans?

  11. Re:It's not about the government by euxneks · · Score: 3, Funny

    All us Canucks also wear Tim Hortons stuff abroad now. Anyone who doesn't is deemed american and subsequently mapled and beavered for impersonating a canadian. If you don't know what mapling and beavering is, be warned, you may be the next target.

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