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Kremlin-Backed Nashi Admits Cyberattacking Estonia
An anonymous reader writes "Russia's Kremlin-based youth movement Nashi admits being responsible for 2007 cyberattacks against Estonia. An interesting point is that when you DDoS the systems, it's not the fault of some people who want to crash it but instead the systems' for blocking their users due to technical limitations. So if I shot someone to death it's not my fault for shooting them, but theirs instead because of technical limitations of their body."
Yeah, so now I can take care of all those pesky drivers out there....Wait, what?
At least we can count on the Russian prosecutors to investigate and extradite those responsible in a timely manner.
An interesting point is that when you DDoS the systems, it's not the fault of some people who want to crash it but instead the systems' for blocking their users due to technical limitations.
Absolutely, Nashi was doing them a favor by pointing out the flaws in their systems. I think Estonia should reciprocate and offer them high paying jobs in their IT Department. While slightly misguided these Nashi kids are obviously gifted. Put their talents to use for good and I'm sure nothing could possibly go wrong.
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due to cryogenics and the strong possibility of future revival, it's pretty difficult to shoot somebody to true death -- only legal death :)
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, watch it -- I'm huge!
By accepting this bullet into your body, you agree that the user of this bullet, that any damage, implicit and otherwise done to you, is not responsible for any damages.
Since when did script kiddies become talented?
People have made the same argument regarding CSS and the use of DeCSS. Many times I have heard "It is the fault of the media companies in that they used a very insecure lock!" I think the "bullet in the face" rationale is a lot more dramatic and illustrates precisely why the "it's their fault for being weak" argument is wrong, but I think it is important to realize that many of us here have used the very same argument in the past.
..." it's not my fault for shooting them, but theirs instead because of technical limitations of their body."
That's right, if I die, it is my fault for not being born Superman.
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REAL Friends help you move dead bodies... ^_^
Sounds like signs of aggression to me.
Maybe this should warrant a strongly worded letter from the UN?
Job? I don't have time to get a job! Who will sit around and bitch about being broke and unemployed then?
Stories like this are guaranteed to bring out the Russian nationalists... The Estonians deserved it, Nashi is a misunderstood organization, or that it was really just completely normal operation with no nefarious intent. It's always fun to read the ideological contortions used to justify crap like this.
All I can say is that Russia is acting like a local thug - swinging around its energy club, demanding internatiol recognition and tribute from its vassal states. Not to say that this is a bad way of achieving its goal, but it certainly puts the Kibosh on some historians' argument that the fall of Russian Communism signaled the end of autocratic and thuggish regimes. Instead, this tells me that nationalism (in its ugliest form) is alive and well across the world (including in the US, btw), and that we're in for a whole lot of fun not seen since the dawn of the last century.
Woo.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
How many times have we seen the fomenting of sociopathic hackers not blow up in the faces of the employers?
An interesting point is that when you DDoS the systems, it's not the fault of some people who want to crash it but instead the systems' for blocking their users due to technical limitations. So if I shot someone to death it's not my fault for shooting them, but theirs instead because of technical limitations of their body.
It's the "I'm not touching you I'm not touching I'm not touching you" defense!
By that logic, we should just go ahead and nuke Russia now. It's not really our fault that they don't have a viable missile defense system.
I think Estonia should reciprocate and offer them high paying jobs in their IT Department.
Sounds like a great idea to me.
They could help build the country's new IT infrastructure at the Viru site.
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Or if the US caused the economic collapse of the Soviet Union, then it was their fault because of the the technical limitations of their communism.
I don't like Russia and how it acts, but if you're going to talk about Russia you've got to bring in their viewpoint. The Soviet collapse and economic disaster is seen as capitalist invasion, which has been beaten back from the gates of Moscow by Putin of the KGB.
It could have gone differently, but we were happy to let them sink, and we skipped numerous opportunities to encourage and support and demand democratic change alongside market reform. Bush let Putin do what he wanted as long as Putin backed Bush's Iraq policy. It was a poor trade and it's going to continue to cost us.
there is already a guy in custody who has been convicted and tried for this one in Estonia. The so called, youth movement Nashi, are publicity whores and their technological acumen is limited to shit you can learn on a farm.
I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
"...if I shot someone to death it's not my fault for shooting them, but theirs instead because of technical limitations of their body."
that made me spit coffee at the monitor...
only johnnie cochran could pull off that defense.
"You can kill the revolutionary, but you can't kill the revolution."-- Fred Hampton
In soviet Russia:
1. Attack victim
2. Blame victim
3. ????
4. Profit
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
"So if I shot someone to death it's not my fault for shooting them, but theirs instead because of technical limitations of their body."
In Soviet Russia...
If the Kremlin wants any appearance of being "fair" (please notice I am not actually accusing them of this, I am jsut hypothesising...) then they can't object if the rest of the world retaliates, and DDOSes them to such a degree they themselves choose to shut down all conenctions between Russia and the rest of the world.
For after all, what were the Russians upset about? A statue of some WW2-hero was moved. What does the rest of the world have to get upset about? Well, a number of East-European countries were left without heating gas in the beginning of January, to such an extent that even Germany felt it. Since this seems to be a recuring "phenomenon" why shouldn't Russia find itself DDOSed off internet once a year?
I am quite sure that Georgia (the country, not the US state) could very easily find reason to DDOS Russia. And I seem to remember Poland having been left without heating gas a few years ago, so even they would have perfect reasons to DDOS Russia.
If the Kremlin really think DDOSing someone is the way things work in the world, they jsut might find themselves further up the creek than they would want to be... For even those countries not affected by Russias slightly beligerent foreign politics could easily turn a blind eye to any illegal matters going on inside their borders, as long as the target is inside Russia.
Any decent man pinged those Estonian Nazi bastards who made that show with the monument and bodies of the fallen soldiers.
Mod parent up.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
There is pretty much no nazism in the Baltic states. It's a Russian government/media created myth.
there has never been a democratic period in russia's entire history. they dont have any understanding of it.
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Wow, every time anything involving Russia is posted here, the pseudo-nerds of slashdot rise together in harmony to cry bitter flames against everything Russia and its people. What's really weird is that these people try so hard to pass off as intelligent in every other article but come Russia, they resort to using old and stale stereotypes to justify their hatred. There really aren't many Russians posting here to defend themselves against this crap, sadly.
Here's some things to think about for your next hate week:
- Russia didn't "invade" Georgia. It intervened when Georgia invaded a sovereign country (South Ossetia) and started throwing civilians under tanks and executing Russian peace keepers. Russia pushed Georgia out of Ossetia and into Georgia and left. There is no occupation.
- The reason some people in eastern Europe were left without heating in the winter is because Ukraine didn't pay their bill. Simple business. Ukraine's constant tantrums at the end of the year every time Russia phases out Ukraine's old Soviet discounts should be a hint to other countries to stock up on some reserves or diversify their suppliers.
- Putin hate is getting OLD and most of it is completely baseless. Just because a country elects a leader you disagree with doesn't mean there's a dictatorship. Polonium and other assassination claims are conspiracy theories like demolition in WTC. There's no proof that the Russian government is responsible for them. At least pick something legitimate to complain about.
- Russia's a huge country with a lot of neighbors. There are a lot of interests and factions in play. Every time a journalist dies, it doesn't mean Putin is behind it. Blaming him for not hiring body guards to follow every journalist around is also lame.
- Russian media isn't censored. Can you even read or speak in Russian to tell that it is?
- Soviet Russia jokes were only funny when Yakov Smirnoff did them. You just butcher them.
- Estonia's a free country and can do what it pleases in its own borders. Touching that memorial is a touchy subject with Russians because so many of their family members lost their lives in WW2 (20 million including guys from other Soviet countries like Ukraine). While riots and this alleged ddos'ing isn't right, you can't blame them for feeling insulted. And before you cry about Stalin's annexation of Baltic states, know that Stalin was Georgian. Even though Russia did keep Baltic states under its control during the next 50 or so years, your average Russian had no say in it, so insulting Russians is completely uncalled for. It was a Russian who gave independence back to those stats, too.
- Vodka and other stereotypes are boring. There are people who are alcoholics just like in every country and there are people who drink casually. Yeah, some people could lower their alcohol consumptions but I don't see how their health is any of your concern or why you feel it gives you the justification to insult them.
Take it easy. Know that everything isn't in black and white, and stop hating.
Latvia holds annual Nazi parades honoring Latvian SS officers.
Estonia was trying to erect a monument honoring Estonian Nazis, but a bunch of Jews and Europeans complained until those plans were scrapped.
I loved the "find your perfect ukrainian bride" advertisement on the rss feed for this story? Do the brides come from Nashi as well ?
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A communications disruption can mean only one thingâ"invasion.
Many Baltic Waffen SS "volunteers" were actually conscripted after February 1943, even though Nazi propaganda claimed that they had consented to join the legion. However, prior to that some Latvians and Estonians actually did join these divisions as volunteers but not for Nazi ideals but because they wanted arms and financing to liberate their country from the Soviet occupation that began in 1940. Therefore, amongst themselves they referred to their divisions as the "Latvian Legion" and "Estonian Legion" (in a fight for national self-determination) rather than as Waffen-SS fighting for Hitler. (From Wikipedia)
Some dude who is a little crazy was trying to erect a monument honoring Estonian Nazis but the government took it down. By the way, an example of Estonians fighting for the SS. Can't exactly remember where it happened but it went like that: when battle with Russians was won at that place, the Estonians turned their weapons around and started shooting Germans. Estonians on both sides fought for themselves. The ones fighting in Soviet uniforms wanted Germans off and then to turn against Russians and the ones fighting for SS... Well, the same.
Too much William Gibson.