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Did Bat Hitch a Ride To Space On Discovery?

suraj.sun writes "A bat was seen clinging to the external fuel tank of the Space Shuttle Discovery before its launch on Sunday, apparently clung for dear life to the side of the tank as the spaceship lifted off. The shuttle accelerates to an orbital velocity of 17,500 milers per hour, which is 25 times faster than the speed of sound, in just over eight minutes. That's zero to 100 mph in 10 seconds. Did it make it into space? No one knows yet. But photos of Discovery as it cleared the launch tower showed a tiny speck on the side of the tank. When those photos were blown up, it became apparent that the speck was a bat."

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  1. 119V-0080 by Lord+Grey · · Score: 5, Funny
    From space.com's article:

    "The bat eventually became 'Interim Problem Report 119V-0080' after the [Final Inspection Team] finished their walkdown," the memo said. "Systems Engineering and Integration performed a debris analysis on him and ultimately a Launch Commit Criteria waiver to ICE-01 was written to accept the stowaway."

    Poor bat. Can we come up with a better name for him (or her) than 119V-0080? We're talking about the highest- and fastest-flying bat of all time, probably. A real name is definitely in order.

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    1. Re:119V-0080 by Sven-Erik · · Score: 4, Informative

      The bat has been named Brian.

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    2. Re:119V-0080 by The+Grassy+Knoll · · Score: 5, Funny

      >There are cars that accelerate faster than that. Of course, I suppose they don't weigh 4.5 million pounds.....

      And they're not accelerating upwards (I hope)

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    3. Re:119V-0080 by TheCreeep · · Score: 5, Funny

      I say stick a caption on him and call him the lolbat.

    4. Re:119V-0080 by A.+B3ttik · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would have gone with Lamarr.

    5. Re:119V-0080 by amn108 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can't wait to hear about Life of Brian. Before and after launch.

    6. Re:119V-0080 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then you have an appropriate sig!

    7. Re:119V-0080 by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      i r on ur rokkitz, awaying ur stow!

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    8. Re:119V-0080 by orkybash · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apparently you didn't get the PvP reference.

    9. Re:119V-0080 by ControversialMatt · · Score: 5, Funny

      i can haz spaceflight?

    10. Re:119V-0080 by EatHam · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would've gone with Eric. Eric the fruit-bat.

    11. Re:119V-0080 by bplipschitz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Eric the half-a-bat.

    12. Re:119V-0080 by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Hey, have you seen Brian lately?"

      "No, man, I haven't seen him since last night when he hooked up with that really huuuge white chick. why?"

      "Dude, you should have seen it. He was goin' at it with her right out in the open, and all of a sudden she started shaking and smoking. I heard him scream 'YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW!', there was a huge flash, she flew away, and that was that last I ever heard from him."

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    13. Re:119V-0080 by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Funny

      He's not an astro-bat! He's a very naughty boy!

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    14. Re:119V-0080 by vlm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wonder how long he held on? Unless he was sheltered from the airflow I find it hard to believe that he could have held on once the shuttle reached any real speed. It's hard enough to hang on in a wind tunnel at subsonic speeds

      Probably frozen in place. They try not to have ice on the tank because it keeps breaking off and smashing tiles... that was the end of Columbia. Still some builds up.

      http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/handle/2027.42/44545

      Is a technical article "A millimeter wave technique for measuring ice thickness on the Space Shuttle's external tank" from 1991 where they basically built a radio telescope to measure the temperature of the ice/insulation etc. They don't directly discuss ice thickness, but all their calibration curves ran from 0 to 15 mm thickness. So unless they totally screwed up, they don't expect more than 15 mm of ice.

      Most bats are somewhat thicker than 15 mm (err, are they? thats about half an inch). That is probably enough to freeze it onto the tank though.

      Since the ice likes to shake loose and crash into the shuttle as it falls, likely the bat didn't make it to space. I don't think the ice would sublimate fast enough in space that if it made it, it would "stage separate" from the tank. So, if it made it up there, it rode the tank back down.

      Personally, I'd worry alot more about bats nesting in the engine turbopumps than "chilling out" on the cryogenic fuel tank.

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    15. Re:119V-0080 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I would have gone with "dead"

    16. Re:119V-0080 by jeffmeden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They also aren't accelerating at that rate *constantly* for over 8 minutes... most of them peter out after maybe 15 seconds.

    17. Re:119V-0080 by interested+pyro · · Score: 5, Funny

      And they're not accelerating upwards (I hope)

      some of those crazy cars go at 9.8ft/s^2 (+ or - a little for air resistance) as for weighing 4.6 million tons, there is a car (vehicle) that goes .5 mph and weighs a lot. Its the thing that carries the shuttle to the launch pad.....

    18. Re:119V-0080 by mrdoogee · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Going to space, BRB"

    19. Re:119V-0080 by nightglider28 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Except the article stated that IR cameras showed that part of the tank never dropped below 60 and the bat never dropped below 70.

    20. Re:119V-0080 by xaxa · · Score: 5, Informative

      And they're not accelerating upwards (I hope)

      some of those crazy cars go at 9.8ft/s^2 (+ or - a little for air resistance)

      I think you mean 9.8ms^-2 ;-).

      Metric: get it right, first time.

    21. Re:119V-0080 by Speare · · Score: 2, Informative
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    22. Re:119V-0080 by krewemaynard · · Score: 2, Funny

      i can haz spaceflight?

      Yes, u can haz.

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    23. Re:119V-0080 by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Funny

      We all know that if they had put it to a vote it would have been named "Colbert".

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    24. Re:119V-0080 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your wish is our (edited) command...
      lolbat

    25. Re:119V-0080 by teko_teko · · Score: 3, Informative

      I would have gone with Wall-E.

      And he's probably chasing a female bat named Eve who got into the Shuttle...

    26. Re:119V-0080 by Wolfrider · · Score: 2, Funny

      " Hey hav u seen Brian around? "

      " Naw, last I saw him he was taking off like a bat outta Hell... "

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    27. Re:119V-0080 by profplump · · Score: 2, Funny

      You fail SI units. ms is milliseconds, not meters * seconds.

      / Should have checked one more time apparently

  2. did we run out of targets ? by polar+red · · Score: 5, Funny

    >When those photos were blown up
    poor photo.

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    1. Re:did we run out of targets ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      > poor photo. Poor pun.

    2. Re:did we run out of targets ? by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Funny

      >>>>>Made me smile.

      >>Me too...

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  3. Hollywood Movie Incoming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bats on a Shuttle?

    1. Re:Hollywood Movie Incoming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've had it with these motherfuckin' bats on this motherfuckin' shuttle!

  4. Spacebat? nah.. by new_breed · · Score: 4, Funny

    Spacebatman, now that would be news!

  5. I can hear it now... by KudyardRipling · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where are the animal rights crowd? PETA should have a field-day with this.

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    1. Re:I can hear it now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Can we launch them into space, too?

    2. Re:I can hear it now... by ben0207 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't even joke about it. The second the die hard environmentalists hear about this, NASA will have to hire a team to check for bats.

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    3. Re:I can hear it now... by Gogo0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I dont see why they would, the bat chose to go to space. who are environmentalists to decide what a bat should do with his life?? damn interlopers...

    4. Re:I can hear it now... by Burpmaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Animal rights activists and environmentalists are two different things. For one, an environmentalist would be far more concerned with the pollution from the rocket than they would worry about a single injured bat being killed.

  6. I'm batman by hypergreatthing · · Score: 4, Funny

    Your answer: Val Kilmer sucks. Your wager: George Clooney sucks.

  7. Name for the bat (Re:119V-0080) by the+cleaner · · Score: 2, Funny

    Poor bat. Can we come up with a better name for him (or her) than 119V-0080? We're talking about the highest- and fastest-flying bat of all time, probably. A real name is definitely in order.

    Bruce Wayne?!

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    1. Re:Name for the bat (Re:119V-0080) by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Good grief. We provide Spoiler Protection for children's shows? - "Hey did you see the latest Hannah Montana? Lili and Jackson..." "No!" "What?" "Don't you know it's rude to spoil a story?" "Oh sorry." ..... "Then you probably don't want to hear about iCarly's kiss with Sam last night?" "Grrr."

      Back to the bat:

      Probably the same thing happened to him that happened to the butterfly clinging to my car this morning. At around 60 the wind tore him off the windshield and he went "splat" on the car behind me. That bat did not go to space.

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    2. Re:Name for the bat (Re:119V-0080) by SuperAndy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Fluid dynamics basically says that at very close distances to a surface, it doesn't matter how fast the fluid is flowing, the wind speed at the surface is very low, and approaches zero. So maybe he made it!

    3. Re:Name for the bat (Re:119V-0080) by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fluid dynamics basically says that at very close distances to a surface, it doesn't matter how fast the fluid is flowing, the wind speed at the surface is very low, and approaches zero. So maybe he made it!

      Until he got about halfway to orbit and then suffocated due to lack of oxygen, anyway....

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    4. Re:Name for the bat (Re:119V-0080) by ericrost · · Score: 3, Informative

      The scale of "very close" in air at sea level is MUCH smaller than you think it is. Stick your hand out your window going 65 and see if you can feel a spot where the wind isn't moving close to the window.

    5. Re:Name for the bat (Re:119V-0080) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Boundary layer (at least at subsonic speeds) where laminar flow slows is barely a tenth of an inch thick. Brian would have been a fair bit thicker than that, so would have certainly been exposed to significant aerodynamic forces as the Shuttle accelerated.

    6. Re:Name for the bat (Re:119V-0080) by whopub · · Score: 2, Funny

      25,000 mph windspeed! That bat must've lost all its feathers by the time he got in space!

    7. Re:Name for the bat (Re:119V-0080) by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Funny

      Last time I checked, small flying animals with feathers were called birds.

      Bats are mammals and have fur.

      Never have I ever encountered a more opportune moment to cry "Whoosh"...

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  8. It's a conspiracy by shellster_dude · · Score: 2, Funny

    Contrary to popular opinion, we never got a bat into space. It is a conspiracy by the government to one-up batman. You're all a bunch of sheeple.

    If you're looking for the truth about animals in space, look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvjgIxuVdo4 [moon bears, the whitest kids you know]

  9. Somehow I doubt it by oodaloop · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't how strong a bat is, but I doubt he was able to hang on that long. My guess is his claws gave out, he slid and clawed is way down the tank, and went out in a huge blaze of glory with the whole world watching and wondering.

    Lucky fucker.

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    1. Re:Somehow I doubt it by mdm42 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Playing too much Nethack, are we?

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  10. External Tank by kybred · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The external tank doesn't make it into space. It separates from the shuttle before that. Unless the bat managed to switch horses in the middle of the stream.

    1. Re:External Tank by Ihlosi · · Score: 3, Informative

      The external tank doesn't make it into space.

      Yes it does. It doesn't make it into orbit, however.

    2. Re:External Tank by kybred · · Score: 4, Informative

      MECO is around 185,000 feet (35 miles). The start of 'space' is commonly defined as 50 miles. But yes, that's damn high.

  11. Not quite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    30 feet off the pad the engines gave out and the bat carried them into orbit.

    Heroic fucker.

  12. Mynock by mcvos · · Score: 5, Funny

    Are they sure it's not a mynock?

  13. Its final message to Earth by PriceIke · · Score: 5, Funny

    "So long and thanks for all the bugs."

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  14. it's now a dead bat by DragonTHC · · Score: 2, Informative

    bats can't survive in space.

    bats can't survive in the upper atmosphere.

    bats aren't falcons.

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  15. Re:Bats are _not_ rodents, dangit! by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 3, Funny

    And koalas aren't bears, cavys aren't pigs, cynomys aren't dogs, and that KFC you had last night wasn't chicken...

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  16. mad as a hatter by jollyreaper · · Score: 5, Funny

    Twinkle, twinkle, little bat!
            How I wonder what you're at!
            Up above the world you fly,
            Like a teatray in the sky.

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    1. Re:mad as a hatter by Em+Emalb · · Score: 5, Funny

      Little bat, clinging.
      I can has space travel please?
      HOLY SHIT, blast off!

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  17. The difference in Quality. by geekmux · · Score: 5, Funny

    "...showed a tiny speck on the side of the tank. When those photos were blown up, it became apparent that the speck was a bat.

    And that folks, is the difference between NASA-cam and your average gas-station-cam, which, on average, can't identify Bigfoot if it were robbing the place.

    1. Re:The difference in Quality. by AioKits · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think Bigfoot is blurry, that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry, and that's extra scary to me. There's a large out of focus monster roaming the countryside. Look out, he's fuzzy, let's get out of here.

      Thanks to Mitch Hedberg (1968-2005)

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  18. But why can't the heat tiles stay on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    NASA should investigate adhering heat tiles with bat claws

  19. Re:It's just Wayne Enterprises doing some research by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes, he has one of those devices which filters oxygen out of a vacuum on his utility belt.

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  20. Re:Seriously by cowscows · · Score: 4, Informative

    The bat was on the far side of the external tank from the orbiter, about a third of the way up from the bottom. There wasn't really any way that it could strike the orbiter during launch, or that any foam that it might pull off would fall and strike the orbiter. The weight of the bat compared to the weight of the shuttle loaded with fuel is negligible, you'd need a pretty big envelope for your back-of-the-envelope calculations to have enough decimal places to show any effect from it. It was not an unsafe call to essentially ignore the bat. It didn't pose any risk.

    As for the idea of contaminating something like Mars and having it end up overrun with earth bacteria, I guess it's impossible to prove that it couldn't happen, but I don't it's very likely. Mars is more like the earth than anywhere else in the solar system, but it's still very different. You might be able to find a few organisms here that could potentially survive on Mars, but it's doubtful that any would thrive, particularly to the point of overrunning the planet.

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  21. Re:it's now a dead bat by acedotcom · · Score: 5, Funny

    other things bats are not or cannot do...

    Bats cannot swallow a whole hotdog

    Bats cannot follow the finer details of Neon Genesis Evangelion

    Bats aren't horses, sheep or baseball bats

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  22. Supermanbat by PinkyDead · · Score: 4, Funny

    How do you know that guidance system on the shuttle wasn't sabotaged in an obscure plot for world domination that was narrowly averted by this bat flying in at the last minute and guiding the shuttle into orbit only to return quickly to the offices of the Daily Bat and resume his secret identity has Gerald the Bat, mild mannered reporter.

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  23. Re:it's now a dead bat by XPulga · · Score: 5, Funny

    This bat is no more! He has ceased to be! He's expired and gone to meet his maker! He's a stiff! Bereft of life, he rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed him to the perch he'd be pushing up the daisies! His metabolic processes are now history! He's off the twig! He's kicked the bucket, he's shuffled off his mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleeding choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-BAT!!

  24. Re:it's now a dead bat by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bats aren't horses, sheep or baseball bats

    In the face of all the potential examples of what bats are not, your failure to pick 3 things is mind-boggling.

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  25. the next headline will read... by ichbineinneuben · · Score: 2, Funny

    Casket of Soil Mistakenly Sent to ISS in lieu of Supplies soon followed by... ISS Infested by Vampires

  26. Check out CNN's brilliant reporting on this event by dwillden · · Score: 4, Funny

    At the end of their report on the bat they speculate whether the bat was still clinging to the shuttle when it docked witht the ISS. How they think it managed to jump from the external tank to the shuttle during lift-off is beyond me.

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  27. So Long... by QuackenDuck · · Score: 2, Funny

    NASA finds, among a pile of junk mail, a gift-wrapped bowl inscribed with the words "So Long and Thanks for All the Gnats."

    That's it people, the Earth is fraked. The Vogon demolition fleet must be on its way.

  28. Has Disney optioned his life story yet? by BHS_Turf · · Score: 4, Funny

    I smell a Disney Adventure movie. I hope they're in talked to his agent.

  29. ETs in SPAAAAACE! by ClayJar · · Score: 2, Informative

    The solid rocket boosters separate 125 seconds into the flight at about 150,000 feet (46 km). About seven minutes later when the external tank (ET) separates 30 seconds after MECO, it's at about 120 km, so it's already in space (going with 100 km as the boundary, which is greater than your 50 miles). Additionally, although it's on a suborbital trajectory, it is not yet at the apogee of that trajectory.

    I do not have a number for its apogee, but since the OMS-1 burn is generally not required anymore, you can assume to a first approximation that the ET's apogee is close to that of the Shuttle. Without it's own version of the Shuttle's OMS-2 burn to circularize the ET's orbit, however, the ET reenters the atmosphere after less than a complete orbit.

    Regardless, if the ill-fated bat with the apparently broken wing (or its earthly, perhaps spacely, remains) managed to stay attached through max Q, it could have been the first animal (body) to make it up to space.

  30. if the bat is on the tank... by cdpage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    than no i don't think it made it to space.
    Unless they took the tank to space somehow...

    Or does the tank actually make it to what is considered 'space'by entering so sort of xxxxsphere

  31. If it was a girl bat by hey! · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would have named her "Misty".

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  32. Re:Check out CNN's brilliant reporting on this eve by tsalmark · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uhm, it's a CNN reporter, they don't actually think, never have and probably never will.

  33. Re:Bats are _not_ rodents, dangit! by hey! · · Score: 2, Informative

    What's interesting is bats aren't even close to rodents, taxonomically speaking.

    Humans and other primates are, along with rodents, rabbits and treeshrews in the superorder "Euarchontoglires", below the infraclass "Eutheria" of "Mammalia".

    Bats are in the infraclass "Laurasiatheria" under "Eutheria", along with hedgehogs, various ground shrews and moles, bears, dogs, cats, horses, weasels, skunks and so on. Most marine mammals are in the same infraclass as bats: otters, seals, walruses, whales etc. Curiously, although the various moles and shrews resemble bats superficially, they are not the closest living relatives of bats. Bats are more closely related to carnivores like dogs and cats, or even ungulates like rhinos, tapirs and horses.

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  34. Fear and Loathing in Space by jadin · · Score: 3, Funny

    We can't stop here! This is bat country!

  35. Re:Seriously by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Mars is more like the earth than anywhere else in the solar system

    Not to nit-pick, but I would argue that the upper atmosphere of Venus is more Earth-like than the surface of Mars. At a certain altitude, Venus has a similar pressure and temperature to Earth, with the majority of the atmosphere being made up of CO2. Supposedly, a human could survive there with only a respirator and something to protect against acid rain, the same can hardly be said for Mars.

  36. OT: Your sig by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Genesis 1:32 And God typed :wq!

    Wow, you're treading on thin ice here. I mean there are some things that should never be made fun of. Do you realize how many people could take offense at this "joke"? People could be screaming "blasphemy" and worse! I'm personally not offended, but I think a lot of people wouldn't be so tolerant. I think you are running the risk of creating hatred and even violence with this kind of mockery.

    I mean, implying that the Creator of the Universe doesn't use Emacs? That's harsh... where's your sense of decorum and respect for other people's religions?!

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  37. Re:OT: Your sig by Splab · · Score: 2, Funny

    If the creator did use Emacs it would come with a decent text editor.

  38. Bats leaving by Narpak · · Score: 3, Funny

    Bye and thanks for all the insects?

  39. Re:OT: Your sig by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ostensibly, yes. Emacs and Lisp. In reality, God http://xkcd.com/224/

  40. Re:OT: Your sig by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 4, Funny

    Could God create an editor that sucks so badly even He couldn't use it?

    (joke purposefully phrased to be editor-agnostic)

  41. Re:it's now a dead bat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh, Fry, I love how you can *REMEMBER TWO THINGS*

  42. Re:OT: Your sig by Stratocastr · · Score: 2, Funny

    To answer your question, No.

    Microsoft beat god to it in 2007..

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  43. From the bat's point of view? by kiehlster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone have any idea what it was like for the bat before it likely lost its hold and fell into the flaming rockets? If it got near or above the speed of sound, what would the bat be thinking? Do they just perceive a wall or does the bat see nothing at all? Just wondering what was going through its mind.

    1. Re:From the bat's point of view? by OldBus · · Score: 2, Funny
      A quote from motorcyclist Barry Sheen seems an appropriate reply.

      After a serious crash he was asked what went through his mind at the time. He replied, "My arse."