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Chimps Have a Built-In GPS

destinyland writes "European researchers have discovered that chimpanzees have a built-in mental GPS, keeping 'a geometric mental map of their home range, moving from point to point in nearly straight lines.' Using GPS, two primatologists followed 15 chimpanzees for 217 days, and determined that the apes were 'using a mental map built around geometric coordinates.' They're not just identifying landmarks in their surroundings, and in fact, even when swinging through trees, the chimps planned out their route several trees in advance. Here's the paper in the journal Animal Behavior."

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  1. Pay per Paper by spacefight · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the 2nd link: "Price: US $ 31.50". Sounds like another slashvertorial. No thanks, chimps.

    1. Re:Pay per Paper by megamerican · · Score: 3, Insightful

      $31.50 is pretty expensive for a paper which will say that a certain mammal can remember where it has been and can find its way back to that spot, much like most other mammals.

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    2. Re:Pay per Paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1. Create pay per paper site
      2. Get shitty story submitted by kdawson
      3. Massive profit

    3. Re:Pay per Paper by smallfries · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sadly most research is behind a paywall. It doesn't make it a slashvertisment though - there was enough detail in the linked article to see that the researchers are talking bollocks, and that the actual paper is unnecessary.

      GPS uses time of flight between known landmarks. The fact that the landmarks are actually moving in orbit is irrelevant. The researchers argue that chimps don't use landmarks as reference points, but instead use a geometric layout of their territory. This is called dead-reckoning.

      Edit: Preview suggests that I may be a little harsh. Their research itself may be valid and worthy. But their attempt to dumb it down for "the kids" without understanding the comparison that they are making is stupid.

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    4. Re:Pay per Paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have participated in such an experiment. It's called being in the infantry.

    5. Re:Pay per Paper by becker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They didn't "dumb it down", they hyped it up.

      "Animals with built-in GPS!! Planet facing imminent destruction!! More at 11."

    6. Re:Pay per Paper by destinyland · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hey! My original submission just linked to this entirely different web site instead.

      After reading that article, I went the extra mile to dig up the original research paper, because I thought it would make it more authoritative.

    7. Re:Pay per Paper by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "$31.50 is pretty expensive for a paper which will say that a certain mammal can remember where it has been and can find its way back to that spot, much like most other mammals."

      I hear ya.

      I guess myself and most of my friends have built in GPS too. I mean, we can go to a bar, have drinks, and somehow, we all make it back to our homes and wake up in bed. Magic!!

      Back in the old days....I used to call it 'autopilot', get in the car and it drives itself home.

      Nowdays, I guess it is called built in GPS.

      :)

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    8. Re:Pay per Paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How do evolutionists explain this?

      IANAOrnithologist but I think the prevailing theory is that birds can sense the Earth's magnetic field in a far more useful capacity than we; and they use this to navigate long distances. And for the record, those young birds are following their parents. You seem to have left that out for an increased 'awe' factor.

      Butterflies, bees, and even fish, can see in the ultraviolet spectrum; and are privy to a whole world of sensory input that we are not. A bird with a brain the size of a marble that can read an invisible flux field to find its breeding ground is no less amazing than a dumb, blind, virus finding a cell with a vulnerable receptor to exploit. They're both quite simple to those with the right tools; they just seem complicated to those without them.

      See also: linux vs your grandparents.

      Anyway: How might an 'evolutionist' explain it? Natural selection is pretty self explanatory. The birds that couldn't find their way died in the ocean, thus did not reproduce. Make a paper airplane, but not particularly well. Make 1000 more. Rig a machine that can throw them all exactly the same force and trajectory. Throw them at a target area. Throw out all the ones that missed. Move the machine to the target area, now throw them back. Throw out all the ones that missed. Replicate the designs of the remaining planes. You just adapted a normal paper airplane design to one that can fly to a seemingly random/remote breeding ground and return home. The selective forces here were random turbulence, and aerodynamic bias. For the birds its the ability to read the magnetosphere,

    9. Re:Pay per Paper by fulldecent · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So the real question is... how do I filter kdawson out of my RSS feed?

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    10. Re:Pay per Paper by radtea · · Score: 2, Informative

      How do evolutionists explain this?

      By investigating the detailed empirical facts of the species in question, including genetic histories of specific species, relations between species sharing similar abilities, physiological and neurological studies of the guidance process in different species, hormonal studies of the seasonal triggers for migration in different species, and careful field observation of bird behaviour, including quantitative estimation of rates and kinds of navigational failure, in different species.

      Every occurrence of terms "genetic" and "species" in the above is a point where the process of interpreting the data is informed by evolutionary theory. No other known theory can give the kind of detailed guidance and coherence that evolutionary theory gives, which is why no scientists working on problems like this have any use for alternative theories. If an alternative theory was able to provide the same kind of consistent, over-arching interpretive framework that evolution by variation and natural selection does, and had the same kind of compelling empirical and logical foundations that evolution by variation and natural selection does, scientists would be happy to use it.

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    11. Re:Pay per Paper by Sigg3.net · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, evolution has its dead ends as well.

      *ducks*

  2. Built-In Mental GPS by Herr_Skymarshall · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does it run Linux?

    1. Re:Built-In Mental GPS by CaptainPatent · · Score: 3, Funny

      Does it run Linux?

      I hear it's Gutsy Gibbon.

      buh-duh... ching

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    2. Re:Built-In Mental GPS by flu1d · · Score: 5, Funny

      Microsoft Sues Chimps.

      You really think they'll sue themselves?

    3. Re:Built-In Mental GPS by Linker3000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Imagine a bonobo cluster of those!

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    4. Re:Built-In Mental GPS by bar-agent · · Score: 2, Funny

      Imagine a bonobo cluster of those!

      Bonobos do activities in clusters, but that activity ain't GPS...though it does involve positioning.

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  3. But... by ATOMISCHE · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Calling it GPS implies they are using external signals to locate. The article says the chimps are creating and using internal distance transform maps.

    1. Re:But... by GooberToo · · Score: 4, Funny

      The last time the chimp community lost GPS signals they all started crashing into each other and exploding. It was a real tragedy.

      Rumour has it Microsoft's Ballmer was repeatedly spotted running into walls and throwing chairs.

  4. THere's no way i'm having a chimp on my dashboard by Barsteward · · Score: 5, Funny

    they sh*t everywhere and you'd have to feed it bananas for directions.

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  5. What does the G in GPS stand for by edittard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No they don't. Drop them somewhere they've never been before and ask them to go somewhere else they've never been before and they'll either pull funny faces at you or initiate a poo barrage.

    Tell me again, what does the G in GPS stand for? It sure doesn't stand for "having a reasonable memory of your surroundings and a rough sense of direction". And neither do the P or the S.

    Bullshit summary again. Or maybe bullshit article. Who cares? After a while, you don't bother.

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    1. Re:What does the G in GPS stand for by wizardforce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are taking their analogy far too literally. The chimps (apparently) appear to use at the least a coordinate like system of navigation. The GPS analogy works here as we humans use a coordinate system (via GPS) to navigate on occasion. It probably doesn't work globally for the chimps as their coordinate system would be localized to their territory.

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    2. Re:What does the G in GPS stand for by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe it's just that people writing these summaries and/or articles haven't the faintest clue how GPS operates. It's just a magical box on their dashboard that can figure out a route from A to B, so when <other creature/object X> can plan a route from one point to another, it must be similar, right?

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    3. Re:What does the G in GPS stand for by need4mospd · · Score: 2, Funny

      The G stands for genital. They know where they are by using their genital's relationship to their surroundings.

    4. Re:What does the G in GPS stand for by nine-times · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's not just what GPS stands for, either. Not every positioning system that works globally is GPS. Yeah, I'm being pedantic, but "GPS" really is supposed to indicate the particular system, not just any system.

      So saying chimps have built-in GPS because they can navigate is a little like saying they have built-in Canon Powershot cameras because they can see.

    5. Re:What does the G in GPS stand for by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bullshit summary again. Or maybe bullshit article. Who cares? After a while, you don't bother.

      Bullshit summary. Article just said that researchers used GPS to keep track of where they were while following the chimps around. I'm going to have to see if I can just filter out kdawson's articles.

    6. Re:What does the G in GPS stand for by InsertWittyNameHere · · Score: 2, Funny

      They have a magic box in their heads and it speaks to them! "Next branch, swing left"

      It speaks as a British woman.

  6. Chimp Satellites by prh6576 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I must have missed all the Chimp satellite launches, when did they happen?

    1. Re:Chimp Satellites by spacefight · · Score: 2, Informative
  7. So does Commander Taco... by GPLDAN · · Score: 2, Funny

    Few people know this, but he actually knows what the next three days of Slashdot articles are going to be. Even breaking news articles, he's already taken it into account and written it up ahead of time. He knows what you are going to submit before you do.

  8. Isn't that just... by caitsith01 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...a fancy way of saying "remembering where stuff is relative to other stuff"?

    My cat can do that. If she wants to come upstairs in my house, she'll walk in a straight line to the bottom of the staircase from wherever she is, up the stairs, and in a straight line from there to wherever she wants to be.

    I guess she's got "cat GPS" and/or is "using internal distance transform maps"... I never knew she was so talented.

    I would think most semi-complex animals have this ability.

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    1. Re:Isn't that just... by NineNine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree. I have a completely blind cat, and she gets around the house just fine, only running into stuff if I move furniture. It's really impressive to see, as she learns her environment the first time around. This article wasn't news to me.

    2. Re:Isn't that just... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Funny
      • Wakes up in middle of night. Bloody cats on the bed again
      • Puts cat out through front door
      • One minute passes
      • Cat comes back

      The animal had gone to the back of the house, climbed to the upper story and come into the house through a little window high in the shower cubicle of the upstairs bathroom. Then it walked back down the stairs and into our room.

      Of course it has a map. What it doesn't know is that I am going to strangle it if it keeps pulling tricks like that.

    3. Re:Isn't that just... by david.given · · Score: 4, Funny

      The animal had gone to the back of the house, climbed to the upper story and come into the house through a little window high in the shower cubicle of the upstairs bathroom. Then it walked back down the stairs and into our room.

      No, that's far too much effort. What actually happened was the cat read your mind, realised that you knew a plausible route by which it could get in, and so after being put out it just sat comfortably until you were out of sight and then teleported back onto your bed, knowing that you would never suspect anything.

      Cats put the kind of effort into being lazy that the most hardened work ethic afficionado could only dream of.

  9. Devolution by Goalie_Ca · · Score: 3, Funny

    So can someone please explain to me our cousin species can manage to navigate such dense forest with such high precision while many of my highly-intelligent ex girlfriends managed to get lost so easily on short walks.

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    1. Re:Devolution by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 2, Informative

      It probably has something to do with our chimp cousins living in an environment that requires more day-to-day use of navigation. Survival might require remembering that there are predators or chimps you don't get along with in area A, or knowing that you better be careful in area B because you've fallen several times after grabbing rotten or slippery branches/vines there.

      Your ex-girlfriends probably didn't have any reason to attach negative survival consequence to getting lost on a short walk, so not much energy was allocated to developing excellent navigation skills. That's just my wild guess, though.

      [insert joke here about girlfriends gaining positive reproductive consequences by "getting lost" while taking a short walk to visit their Slashdotter boyfriend]

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  10. Researchers used GPS; Chimps Mapped by billstewart · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah - TFA says the chimps kept mental maps of their surroundings, and it was the researchers that used GPS because it all looked like jungle to them. That's different from migratory birds or insects which apparently use magnetic fields or sunlight angles for navigation.

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  11. Re:Well, by HalWasRight · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree. Why does this type of thing surprise anyone? Oh, that's right. Some people think humans are somehow, er, special beings .

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  12. Does this mean by SnarfQuest · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With this built-in GPS, would chimp-mounted lasers be more accurate than shark-mounted ones?

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    1. Re:Does this mean by Culture20 · · Score: 2, Funny

      With this built-in GPS, would chimp-mounted lasers be more accurate than shark-mounted ones?

      Yes, but the chimps tend to drown when you throw them in the water. Something about their density and not having gills.

  13. I already knew this by ve3id · · Score: 3, Funny

    I already knew this. Why do we spend such money on research? Think about it, have you ever had a chimp ask you for directions?

  14. Re:THere's no way i'm having a chimp on my dashboa by flu1d · · Score: 2, Funny

    At least only one of those apply to my tomtom

  15. JPS by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Funny

    They have JPS: Jungle Positioning System

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  16. It's dead reckoning . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...a fancy way of saying "remembering where stuff is relative to other stuff"?

    Yeah, I was thinking that this is just a bit of "dead reckoning," combined with old salty pirate skills:

    "Arrrgh, when yee see the rock, that looks like the skull of a monkey, turn left, take twenty paces, and the treasure is buried below. But beware the curse . . ."

    I guess she's got "cat GPS" and/or is "using internal distance transform maps"...

    Just to be on the safe side, see if your cat can perform the same trick, while wearing a tinfoil hat. And please get back to us if she can. Maybe those felines are up to something behind our backs.

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  17. This doesn't surprise me one bit by greg_barton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My daughter is 19 months old. Almost as soon as she could walk at 13 months she was navigating the house on her own. She knew how to get back to her room from the kitchen, three doors, two rooms and a hallway away. Heck, she couldn't even open the doors on her own, but she sure could toddle over to them and squeak until we did it for her. :)

    It's not like we taught her how to remember 2d layouts and navigate them. She just did it.

    She's my first kid, and I'm learning more about intelligence and learning from watching her than I ever did in all of my AI classes.

    Another example: she loves sitting in the driver's seat of our car, playing with the steering wheel and the keys. The first time she did it she was holding the keys in her left hand, but the ignition is on the right side of the steering column. She tried reaching over to put the keys in, but immediately realized she couldn't reach, so she switched the keys to her right hand. Do you know how difficult it would be to code up that kind of coordination and reasoning process in a robot? Frikkin' hard! But she just did it.

    It's helped me realize just how much behavior and intelligence is hard coded in our brains. There's a lot that my wife and I are teaching my daughter, but there's no way we could have taught her everything she now knows, and I seriously doubt she's figured it all out by mimicry. (Especially the complex skills and problem solving behavior.) So the idea that a primate could have a "built in" mental mapping ability makes perfect sense now that I've seen such a thing in action.