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Is Alcohol Killing Our Planet?

Andy_Spoo writes "Something that I've been trying to get an answer to: Is alcohol killing our planet? Alcohol is a byproduct of yeast, but another is CO2. As we all know (unless you've been asleep for years), CO2 is helping to warm our planet, sending us into destruction. So how much is the manufacture and consumption of alcohol contributing to the total world CO2 level? And don't forget that bars and pubs force beer through to their pumps using large compressed cylinders of CO2. Does anyone know?"

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  1. Bloody hell! by MrNaz · · Score: 4, Funny

    "There" ?

    Over THERE wherever the poster is from, THEIR education system is so bad that THEY'RE making repeated mistakes over and over. THERE needs to be an improvement in THEIR attitude towards THEIR literacy. As long as THERE exists a culture of flippancy towards being properly literate, THEIR children will always respond to people correcting THEIR use of language with indignant responses scoffing at the need to be accurate in the use of language. THEY'RE constantly talking about things like "evolution of language" and that THERE have been many changes in the use of words over history, but THEIR mistake stems from the fact that THEY'RE completely disregarding the difference between language evolving to meet different circumstances, and language devolving due to the apathy and ignorance of those who speak it.

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    1. Re:Bloody hell! by MrNaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, and regarding the actual article, no CO2 from the alcohol industry is on a wholly different scale from CO2 emissions from industry and transport.

      It's like wondering if you peeing in the ocean when you go for a swim is making a difference to global oceanic warming because, after all, your pee is quite warm.

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    2. Re:Bloody hell! by MrNaz · · Score: 5, Funny

      (I'm SOOO going to mod-point hell for the above posts.)

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    3. Re:Bloody hell! by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Its naught spelled with awl capitols either. Language devolves, and people grammer wrong. Get used^H too it.

    4. Re:Bloody hell! by renegadesx · · Score: 4, Funny

      You need to relax dude, have a beer!

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    5. Re:Bloody hell! by reiisi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, there _are_ parts of the planet where bread is not the staple starch source.

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    6. Re:Bloody hell! by darth+dickinson · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, you're going to the *special* hell, the one reserved for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

    7. Re:Bloody hell! by SupremoMan · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, here in America the staple source of starch is French Fries.

    8. Re:Bloody hell! by hankwang · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Besides, as any brewer or baker will tell you, yeast used in brewing is genetically inclined to produce more alcohol than CO2, whereas the yeast used in baking is just the opposite - it produces much more CO2 than alcohol. That's why you don't bake with brewer's yeast, or brew with baker's yeast.

      [Citation needed]. The biochemistry of anaerobic conversion of sugars into alcohol and carbon dioxide produces a fixed ratio of alcohol to carbon dioxide, independent of the yeast strain. The main difference would be that baker's yeast has to be rapid-growing (the bread has only a few hours to leaven), while brewer's/wine yeast can take more time but must survive under high alcohol concentrations.

    9. Re:Bloody hell! by azav · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lame. I'll bet you pronounce nuclear just like Bush as new-que-lurr. Look, if you don't pay attention to at least adhering to a simple standard, you'll look like sloppy to the people who do. Mastering grammar school English composition is a commendable achievement. But if you're going to be sloppy and not pay attention to the details, you inflict your lack of standards on everyone who has to read your work. It's a case of "if you want to look like a sloppy person who does not even proofread his own work, that's fine, but please keep it away from us who don't want to see your lack of attention to detail." Remember that you're penning/typing your message not for yourself but for others to read, you should at least be respectful of the people reading and proof your own work.

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    10. Re:Bloody hell! by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not like the CO2 being released by the yeast came from fossil fuels ... it came from hops and grains, which took the CO2 out of the atmosphere. If those hops hadn't been grown, the CO2 wouldn't have been sequestered for part of the time. Think of all the undrunk beer as a temporal CO2 storage locker. There's probably a million tons locked up at any given time.

      So help fight global warming by popping a cool one.

    11. Re:Bloody hell! by Timmy+D+Programmer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Whoever wrote this article clearly doesn't realize they themselves breathe out as much CO2 as an entire microbrewery. For the sake of the environment, they can hold their breath while the rest of us enjoy our beer in peace.

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    12. Re:Bloody hell! by canonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

      BUT recall that methane has 20x the greenhouse gas potential of CO2, and I know some people who convert ethanol to methane at a disturbing rate.

    13. Re:Bloody hell! by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

      You need to relax dude, have a beer!

      At the very least, a cold, frosty one will cool you down what with all the global warming it just caused.

    14. Re:Bloody hell! by jonom · · Score: 5, Interesting
      A little more than a pint, but yes you could.

      How to Brew Beer in a Coffee Pot:
      http://www.allaboutbeer.com/features/235coffee.html

    15. Re:Bloody hell! by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Informative

      Damn, you beat me to it! Don't you love how any bullshit sounding remotely authoritative just gets modded up...

      I will just add one simple statement as supporting evidence to your correction:

      C6H12O6 => 2(CH3CH2OH) + 2(CO2)

      Also, fermenting in (solid) dough tends to trap the gases in pockets, followed by cooking which evaporates the alcohol. Fermenting in (liquid) wort/must releases the gases (unless bottled, etc) and keeps the alcohol in solution.

    16. Re:Bloody hell! by B3ryllium · · Score: 5, Funny

      Honestly, I had no idea that staples contained starch.

      I have a whole new respect for the lowly office supply cabinet now.

    17. Re:Bloody hell! by binarybum · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sounds like a nice warm place.

        hell or the children's pants?

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  2. Perfect opportunity for a Simpson's quote by Bezultek · · Score: 5, Funny

    Alcohol - The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.

    1. Re:Perfect opportunity for a Simpson's quote by compro01 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or that he doesn't want Canadians to take over the world. Dunno why. The world would assuredly be a better place if we were in charge.

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  3. what matters is where the carbon came from by petermgreen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Carbon from biomass is just cycling in and out of the atmosphere, no big deal.

    The problem is digging up carbon that has been buried for millions of years and releasing it (either directly into the atnosphere or into a place where it is likely to get released).

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  4. NO! by dmomo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Slow News day? Correlation is not Causation? This thread is useless without pics? Whatever it takes; NO!

    For the love of all that's sacred... the answer is NO NO NO! Please dear God.. NO! Because without Alcohol .. does a world even exist?

  5. are our childrens learning? by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    is aliens probing us rectally?

    is beer causing global warming farts?

    how is babby formed?

    issues are the complicated. i try to thinks hard abouts them when i'm on the toilets. and i push reals hard and out come deep thoughts like: pubs cause global warming

    i am the smarts type person with the deeply thinking type stuff

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  6. No net change by l79327 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ethenol is fermented from plant products, no net change in CO2. The CO2 in the keg system is taken from the air, no net change.

    First they came for my beer, and I said nothing.

    1. Re:No net change by NoPantsJim · · Score: 4, Funny

      First they came for my beer, and I said nothing.

      Shit, if they came for my beer I'd have one hell of a lot to say about the matter.

  7. Grains by cocodrylo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Alcohol is made from breaking down grains or other starches. Those plants gather CO2 from the air. So the consumption of alcohol doesn't really add to the problem. That is, at least only to the extent that agriculture does. If you're really worried about CO2 related to your food/beverage intake, you should cut back on meat, which has 8x-10x as much of a carbon footprint per calorie than grains. I guess alcohol would be somewhere in between.

  8. Is Slashdot Killing our Planet? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative

    We all know that the posting of really silly, unscientific stories on Slashdot increases the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere due to the tremendous amount of electricity exhausted in the transfer, dowmloading, and display of those stories, not to mention the CO2 output of the readers, who, at least most of them, exhale carbon dioxide! Something must be done!

  9. Re:No more than cattle? WTF? by tpgp · · Score: 5, Informative

    Comparing Cattle production (more CO2 equiv emissions than transport) and the alcohol industry? WTF?

    Cattle production is a significant cause of soil compaction, topsoil degradation, coral reef degeneration, methane emissions, acid rain, water contamination (with cow shit / hormones / antibiotics).... I could go on & on.

    One of the easiest things you can do to help the environment is consume less beef & dairy products.

    No 'more' than cattle. Yeesh!

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  10. Is Alcohol Killing Our Planet? by Hojima · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd have to say alcohol is the solution to saving our planet. As a very short friend of mine once said, all you have to do is:

    1. Drink excessive amounts of liqueur
    2. ???
    3. ???

    1. Re:Is Alcohol Killing Our Planet? by compro01 · · Score: 4, Funny

      But if alcohol is the solution, it is also the cause!

      WE'RE DOOMED NO MATTER WHAT WE DO!!!!!!!!!!!

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    2. Re:Is Alcohol Killing Our Planet? by box4831 · · Score: 5, Funny

      1. Drink excessive amounts of liquor
      2. Too drunk to drive
      3. Less CO2!
      4. ???
      5. Profit?

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  11. Re:No more than cattle? WTF? by Albanach · · Score: 5, Funny

    One of the easiest things you can do to help the environment is consume less beef & dairy products.

    Surely the best way for me to reduce the number of cattle is for me to eat more of them?

    Steak anyone?

  12. freedom fries? by reiisi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wow. Freedom fries.

    Serious silliness I miss not living in the US.

    Might explain some of the questions I have gotten from English students on the subject.

    (Wonder what could be done so that trying to link to the Japanese article doesn't send wikipedia to ampersand.)

    (See, honey, reading /. is educational.)

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