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Quantum Setback For Warp Drives

KentuckyFC writes "Warp drives were generally considered impossible by mainstream scientists until 1994 when the physicist Michael Alcubierre worked out how to build a faster-than-light drive using the principles of general relativity. His thinking was that while relativity prevents faster-than-light travel relative to the fabric of spacetime, it places no restriction on the speed at which regions of spacetime may move relative to each other. So a small bubble of spacetime containing a spacecraft could travel faster than the speed of light, at least in principle. But one unanswered question was what happens to the bubble when quantum mechanics is taken into account. Now, a team of physicists have worked it out, and it's bad news: the bubble becomes unstable at superluminal speeds, making warp drives impossible (probably)."

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  1. Hiesenberg says.... by MeNotU · · Score: 5, Funny

    Or is it *both* Impossible and not Impossible?

    1. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by ByOhTek · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's the only statement you could come up with?

      What a Bohr.

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    2. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't Asimov about it bro. Sometimes you just gotta Kepler.

    3. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by thrillseeker · · Score: 2, Funny

      oh, that's the cat's meow

    4. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 4, Funny

      I always just have Mr. Scott handle the warp drive. He does the impossible instantly, miracles take longer. When Spock lends a hand, hours can seem like days...

    5. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by discord5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or is it *both* Impossible and not Impossible?

      Only when you're not observing and you don't hear it meowing

    6. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by Brian+Edwards · · Score: 2, Funny

      "So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable." - Christopher Reeve

    7. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by RMingin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perhaps it's only Infinitely Improbable?

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    8. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 3, Funny

      > Or is it *both* Impossible and not Impossible?

      Well, yes and no...

    9. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      "So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable."
          - Christopher Reeve

      ...then you fall from a horse and reality hits you like a freight train.

    10. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by RichardJenkins · · Score: 5, Funny

      If I were you I'd stop poking about with things we don't understand. After all, it was curiosity that did and didn't kill the cat. ...

      I'll get my coat.

    11. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by bytethese · · Score: 5, Funny

      Warp drives that wear dresses and makeup?

    12. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 4, Funny
      But exactly how improbable is it?

      Frankly, I never get invited to any of those parties, either.

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    13. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by mrops · · Score: 3, Funny

      You guys talk as if you haven't heard of the Heisenberg Compensator.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transporter_(Star_Trek) states, "Heisenberg compensator remove uncertainty from the subatomic measurements, making transporter travel feasible."

      Its clear this is a dual use technology used both for Warp drives and transporters.

    14. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fourier information, I thought it was pretty funny.

    15. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Funny

      I always just have Mr. Scott handle the warp drive. He does the impossible instantly, miracles take longer. When Spock lends a hand, hours can seem like days...

      And sometimes Spock gets radiation poisoning and indirectly gets Kirk's son murdered. All in all, much better to let Mr. Scott handle things ;)

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    16. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or is it *both* Impossible and not Impossible?

      Man, even I, a liberal arts major, know that Heisenberg studied dead cats, not space travel!

    17. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by tcolberg · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sometimes Scotty the God of Engineers demands SACRIFICE!

    18. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by discord5 · · Score: 3, Funny

      So if we close our eyes when we flip the switch it all still works?

      Well, maybe. Technically because you haven't seen it or work or not work it's both working and not-working at the same time. So, the trick is to keep your eyes closed at all times, and you'll be able to visit strange new worlds, boldly going where no man has gone before. When you open your eyes, you'll find yourself doing that, or simply daydreaming at the office instead of writing that documentation you promised so long ago.

      I imagine that a more feasible technique would be applying buttered toast to a cats back and harnessing the power from that to travel the stars. Sadly, my experiments in that area have all resulted in failure, often with the cat scratching me. I have to admit that my neighbours refer to me as "that weirdo from nextdoors" ever since they saw me and I yelled in an ominous voice: "Stand back, I'm doing SCIENCE!" while holding a cat and a piece of buttered toast.

    19. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Heisenberg eh?

      thought that was Schroedinger....

      (/liberalartsmajor)

      Yes, and he didn't actually study dead cats.

      (liberalartsmajor)

      Is this going to be on the final? Man am I hung over!

    20. Re:Hiesenberg says.... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Funny

      Curiosity didn't kill the cat. It was Ignorance that killed the cat, and framed curiosity.

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  2. improbability drive by phrostie · · Score: 4, Funny

    is this where the improbability drive comes in?

    yeah, someone had to say it.

    1. Re:improbability drive by Lord_Frederick · · Score: 5, Funny

      Will that allow ludicrous speed?

    2. Re:improbability drive by tuxgeek · · Score: 3, Funny

      Q: "is this where the improbability drive comes in?"
      A: 42

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    3. Re:improbability drive by francium+de+neobie · · Score: 4, Funny

      Opening a small bistro in your spaceship will allow it to go beyond light speed without turning you into a sofa.

    4. Re:improbability drive by JamesP · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, no, the Bistromatic drive is much better...

      Even though now it's been replaced with the CDS drive, so you can have ludicrous speeds without an actual propulsor...

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    5. Re:improbability drive by alexj33 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think you've got a point. All this time we've been trying to invent warp drives. What we really should be doing is inventing Cylons, so that they can in turn invent better propulsion systems than us.

    6. Re:improbability drive by ari_j · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hi. Literature Nazi* to the rescue, here! The improbability drive's figures are always given in terms of "X to 1 against" where X is greater than 1. While you are correct about probabilities, the figure above was an improbability. Also, 0 is not "nigh impossible" - it is the definition of impossible. Easy mistake, I know.

      * - Possibly also Nazi-Nazi.

    7. Re:improbability drive by francium+de+neobie · · Score: 5, Funny

      Very large values of 1 and very small values of 0.

    8. Re:improbability drive by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is a Nazi-Nazi someone who insists you spell "Eichmann" with two 'n's?

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  3. WARP 10 by Flyin+Fungi · · Score: 2, Funny

    We all know what happens when you try to travel that fast!

    1. Re:WARP 10 by MaxwellEdison · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's just silly...No one would mate with Kate Mullgrue...

      Unless...
      Go East
      You have been molested by a Mullgrue

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  4. So we can't go there, big whoop... by bhunachchicken · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just do what the Planet Express Ship does and use a Dark Matter drive to move the Universe around us instead... :)

  5. Warp Drives?? by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 3, Funny

    So you mean to say my brand spanking new SSDs have become obsolete already???

    1. Re:Warp Drives?? by wooferhound · · Score: 2, Funny

      My wife likes my Hard Drive much better than my Floppy Drive . . .

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    2. Re:Warp Drives?? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's a shame they're both 3.5"

      Zing!

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  6. Bah, just reverse the polarity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Any warp engineer knows that.

  7. Cancel the Star Trek movie by Onyma · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's it, cancel the Star Trek Movie. Now that I know it's all fake it just ruined it for me.

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  8. This problem has been solved. by benwiggy · · Score: 2, Funny
    I think I've seen this episode.

    Don't they remodulate the shield frequency (or reconfigure the emitter array), and that keeps the bubble stable just long enough?

  9. Re:They won't be strangers for long. by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh my.

    This is why we need women in the army to stop that nonsense.

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  10. Reverse the Polarity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    It always works.

  11. Re:Paper was submitted 1. April by sanjosanjo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Darn, it's from 2009. I was expecting the submission date to be from in future.

  12. Re:Mod parent up by maxume · · Score: 5, Funny

    With magic, you can ride a unicorn.

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  13. We all know how this ends. by Icegryphon · · Score: 1, Funny

    It ends with Sam Neill plucking out his own eyes and telling you, that you will not need them where you are going.

  14. Re:Mod parent up by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Funny

    Perhaps this is why, despite our best efforts, no other civilization has contacted us. It's simply too hard to bridge the huuuuge gap between the stars.

    More likely, they've just chosen not to. Like why we tend to not talk to people from Alabama.

  15. Re:Causality by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Funny

    A bit solipsistic are we?

    No, it's just you.

  16. Re:There is no fabric! by PerfectSmurf · · Score: 2, Funny

    My people are taught that it's a fluid, not a fabric. When particles pop into existance, or exist as matter, in our dimensional space their probability function becomes highly localized and creates a "void" between dimensions and a pressure density gradient at that point in space. This pressure forces the fluid of space to flow into these voids and it's this flow of space fluid that creates and explains the drag known to us as gravity.

    We are also taught that if enough matter is brought together in a region of space the flow of space fluid into other dimensions becomes so strong that nothing, not even light, can escape the currents. We call these objects deep blue holes. Technically they are black because no light escapes, but we're smurfs and we think we're cool, so since cool blacks are bluish blacks we call them deep blue holes.

    I'm pretty sure I got that explanation right. Brainy lectures on and on about it but it's hard to pay attention when the discussion is about deep blue holes... Smurfette sits next to me... droooooool....

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  17. Re:Longer lifetimes is the answer by CTalkobt · · Score: 3, Funny

    The problem with traveling faster than light is that my wife would never go with me on a trip:

    "Traveling that fast is going to make my ass look big."

    (Hmm, leaving her behind might be a good thing... )

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  18. Re:Longer lifetimes is the answer by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

    3 years 205 days is 31,200 hours. so yes the trip will only last for hours, 31k of them.

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  19. Re:Longer lifetimes is the answer by BigBlueOx · · Score: 4, Funny

    it needs to be of a sufficient size that you don't go bugshit loco crazy

    Inadvertently, a Slashdot poster stumbles upon the reason that aliens, intersteller travelers who travel in very small ships, abduct people on Earth and stick things up their butts.

    And then ...

  20. Re:They won't be strangers for long. by inerlogic · · Score: 4, Funny

    nah, 8 weeks of basic training doesn't generate THOSE kinds of issues....

    the real problems, and a closer analogy, (pun? what pun?) would be the Navy....

    500 men leave on the ship, 6 months later 250 couples return

  21. Re:Longer lifetimes is the answer by CTalkobt · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Traveling that fast is going to make my ass look big."

    Just figured out my reply: "Dear - it's all relative... "

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