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iPhone Jailbreaking Still Going Strong

snydeq writes "Despite the productivity promises of Apple's forthcoming 3.0 firmware update, jailbreaking should continue to push the iPhone's productivity envelope, as users increasingly demand the Holy Grail of smartphone power use: applications that run in the background, InfoWorld reports. Copy and paste, video recording and streaming, Internet tethering, and content search are just a few of the features over which iPhone users have sought to jailbreak their devices — a practice Apple itself has done little to crack down on. Jailbreak apps circumvent hardware and software restrictions that Apple says ensure a consistent, responsive user interface and optimal battery endurance. In particular, jailbroken phones can run apps in the background, a capability Apple reserves for its own apps but prohibits in third-party programs. Jay Freeman, creator of the Cydia iPhone installer and Cydia Store, however, believes a free-market approach is the best way to satisfy power users' demands for features without compromising the performance of their iPhones. And given Apple's App Store overcrowding, it seems likely that jailbroken phones and app venues like Cydia Store will continue to be popular with iPhone customers and developers, even after the 3.0 firmware ships."

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  1. Other 'nothing changed lately' news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Google still a good option for search.

    Vista sales not picking up much.

    ipod is a popular choice of mp3 player.

    In surprise development, dog doesn't bite man.

  2. Jailbreaking will continue by WatcherWatching · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, and why should it not? It is similar to the how users run Mac OS on non-apple computers. If users want to do something, they should be allowed too! Consistency of user interface is no excuse, because it wouldn't even affect users with non-jailbroke phones. Apple just likes to control what users see and do, and jailbreaking is just evidence that some people don't like being told what to do!

  3. Not to mention... by something_wicked_thi · · Score: 3, Informative

    You have to first jailbreak the phone if you want to unlock it. But I recently switched to Google Android so I don't have to deal with this. It's a less nice experience, but I imagine a lot of people who are willing to go through the trouble of jailbreaking a phone are also willing to put up with the less polished UI.

    1. Re:Not to mention... by BitZtream · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why? When you can just jailbreak and have the polished UI?

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    2. Re:Not to mention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      jailbreaking (in windows) requires about 5 clicks from an installshield type application. That's it. Jailbroken, done.

      All your purchased apps (and free apps from the Apple store) still work just fine. The UI is still the same (if you want it to be the same). Just two new icons (to let you download non-Applestore apps).

      I'm not sure what you mean by "go through all the trouble of jailbreaking"

    3. Re:Not to mention... by clarkkent09 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Polished UI on a phone is worth something though. It's nice to have a phone that does fewer things but it's a pleasure to use. Like any phone, it's too small to do any serious work with, and the things I, and I dare say most other people, use it for the most often - email, sms, gps, internet (quick lookups, too small for anything else), ipod and (gasp) making phone calls - it does incredibly well, far better than any other phone I know of.

      Yes, cut and paste and one or two other things are sorely missed, but honestly all these other features people are asking for just make me worried if the future versions will have the clean and beautiful interface like the last one. "Power users", while the most vocal, tend to be a small part of the market. Hope Apple keep their head and not trip over themselves trying to please that segment of the market and make the product cluttered, ugly and crash prone like all the other "smart" phones out there.

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    4. Re:Not to mention... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because then you're getting an unsupported product, which takes away a lot of the attraction of something like an iPhone, and because you're supporting a company that believes that control of the device belongs to them, not the customer.

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  4. infoworld needs to lose the ego by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Despite the productivity promises of Apple's forthcoming 3.0 firmware update, jailbreaking should continue to push the iPhone's productivity envelope, as users increasingly demand the Holy Grail of smartphone power use: applications that run in the background, InfoWorld reports.

    Seriously? The two items that comprise the Holy Grail of smartphone power use are background apps and Infoworld reports?

    Just look at the source of the TFA -- it's Infoworld themselves! Methinks they have a slightly overdeveloped sense of self-worth.

    Also, I'm not sure why I would need to jailbreak my iPhone to access Infoworld, they must have some serious issues in their web design department.

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    1. Re:infoworld needs to lose the ego by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Funny" = no karma boost
      "Insightful" = karma boost

      Common courtesy dictates that funny people be rewarded (or made to wear funny shoes).

    2. Re:infoworld needs to lose the ego by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Use of "and" with a comma is preferable for the last item of a list whose elements are separated by commas.

      This is only true when you are using the Oxford rules (adopted by most of the USA). In other areas, the last comma is omitted.

      And speaking of precision grammar, how about the use of "sortof"?

      Maybe he's a C programmer?

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    3. Re:infoworld needs to lose the ego by Gnavpot · · Score: 3, Funny

      Be sure you understand the argument 'afore ya throw yrself in the fray.

      I want a "-1 Whoosh" moderation option.

      Or perhaps it should be +1 so posts like yours are put on display for everyone to laugh at...

  5. Poor, poor dears. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    They know not what they do, tinkering with the perfection of Jobs' vision. Apple will have to work even harder to cryptographically protect them from evil...

  6. isn't it against the EULA? by alen · · Score: 3, Informative

    i swear there was a story last month how Apple had it in the newest SDK EULA that you can't make jailbroken apps with it. Apple gave up a technical solution and just told people that if you want to write jailbroken apps then do it from scratch and don't use their code

  7. 3rd party in background means malware... by bwcbwc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apple's prohibition on 3rd party software running in background is probably the best line of defense against spyware infecting the average idiot/user's phone. Once you let un-vetted apps run in the background, you create the opportunity for keyloggers, spam software and all the other fun stuff that runs on PCs to infect the iPhone without the user even being aware. Plus you end up going down the path of requiring anti-virus and security software to run on the phone all the time, reducing the battery life. What's basically going on is that no one is willing to pay the costs that would be required to develop a "trusted application" framework where Apple could test and approve 3rd party apps. Plus, there's always the paranoia factor that someone's great idea would get stolen as part of the approval process.

    But given the state of windoze computing these days, I'd say Apple's approach has to be viewed more as a security feature than an anti-competitive fair trade violation.

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    1. Re:3rd party in background means malware... by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, that's right. You are being restricted for your own good!

      It must be nice to be so naive...

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    2. Re:3rd party in background means malware... by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whenever you get into that situation, someone else vetting the apps, you no longer own the device. They own it and you just rent it.

      Once they decide not to bother with the app store or with vetting new apps you are stuck with a dead device. If jobs decides tomorrow that the iphone is too big and only the new iphone-nano will be sold and as such the appstore for the now old device is to be closed, you are boned. You will be holding a $200 paperweight.

      Do you really want to pay for a device you don't own? Do you really want something you can't use as you see fit?

    3. Re:3rd party in background means malware... by realmolo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Windows Mobile phones have no restrictions on the software you can run, and as far as I know, there haven't been any viruses or security issues. Even if there HAVE been, they have to be obscure, and limited to people who installed specific, weird applications.

      Windows Mobile phones are SO much better than an iPhone for *actually doing stuff* that it isn't even funny. There are REAL applications for Windows Mobile phones, because anyone can make an app. The only thing the iPhone has going for it is, well, I don't know what it has going for it. Pretty icons?

    4. Re:3rd party in background means malware... by alen · · Score: 2, Informative

      The phone, ipod, email and Safari apps that run in the background are Apple apps. Apple can make background apps, no one else.

    5. Re:3rd party in background means malware... by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Windows Mobile devices have had applications running in the background for ages and there have not been outbreaks of infections preventing people from dialing 911. Android phones are also very open and lack such absurd restrictions.

      Enough with the strawmen arguements and just come to grips with the fact that sometimes Apple puts their business interests before the consumer.

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    6. Re:3rd party in background means malware... by langelgjm · · Score: 5, Informative

      if your PC is infected no one cares. if your cell phone gets infected by a virus and you can't call 911 in an emergency than Apple is going to pay out a lot of money in a lawsuit.

      I highly doubt that. Someone might try to sue, but I guarantee that every cell contract you sign has some clause saying they don't guarantee 24/7 access, access may be interrupted unexpectedly for any reason, etc. Otherwise people would be suing just for a regular network outage.

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    7. Re:3rd party in background means malware... by dara · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If this is a significant issue, I would have expected to see a bigger problem on Android phones by now. I had a G1 for 30 days, and then switched to the iPhone as the G1 in November was too flaky for me, but the one thing I absolutely hate is not being able to put a program I write or download from a trusted source onto my phone. I'll probably go back to Android in another 1 1/2 years and by then, hopefully the hardware will be better. Or maybe Apple will remove this annoying restriction at some point before then and they might keep me. My iPhone is a bit flaky too, they need better hardware also - I've reinstalled twice when it wouldn't turn on. I'm a bit hesitant to jailbreak and potentially be causing myself more headaches.

      Dara

      The one app I'm willing to pay for is at least out for the iPhone (in 4 flavors) and is unavailable for the G1 - the ability to view topographic USGS maps offline with your position (search for topographic on the app store). So there is something to be said for being on the more popular platform. I sure hope Android gets more popular - I wish I could have helped, but that first phone was driving me crazy.

    8. Re:3rd party in background means malware... by Thing+1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, and the men with guns aren't here to keep you in, they're here to protect you. Sure. Just ask Alice, indeed.

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  8. The iPhone is worthless unjailbroken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have one. I'll stick with OS 2.1.2 until 3.x is jailbroken. Between netatalk, the ssh server/client, mobile terminal, and functional teathering, there's absolutely no way I'd go back to a closed and locked OS on that phone. If AT&T and Apple don't like it, cancel my account.

    I'm of the opinion now that these companies have got too uppity. I've canceled cable television and Internet service, then put an antenna on my roof. I've canceled my land line. If AT&T wants my iPhone - they can have it.

    Live without and you'll live better. Or, at least you'll live without a corporate cock pumping your unlubricated ass.

    1. Re:The iPhone is worthless unjailbroken by averner · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've canceled cable television and Internet service

      Cable television may not be terribly important, but I don't know how you can "live better" without internet service. Either way, you're posting here, aren't you?

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    2. Re:The iPhone is worthless unjailbroken by mcvos · · Score: 2, Informative

      Go to an AT&T store and tell them you're tethering, they'll be happy to cancel your account for you I'm sure.

      I'm not so sure about that. An iPhone is (in Netherland at least) a lot cheaper than an iPod Touch exactly because it comes with a cell phone subscription. The subscription is where they make the real money. If the same is true in the US, then I really doubt AT&T is just going to cancel that subscription. They're more likely to severely restrict your bandwidth while still charging the same amount of money, or something like that.

  9. Re:Other Than "War-Driving"... by GuldKalle · · Score: 4, Funny

    How about "faux-tech-neo-nerd-speak"?

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  10. Functionality! by registered_after_8_y · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The reason i have a jailbroken iPhone (legally unlocked, bought it in Italy) is the way the App Store apps are crippled. The apps from cydia have much better functions in many cases, as a simple example the flashlight app, the one from cydia can override the screen brightness settings, which makes it actually work, whereas the official doesn't. Also apps like intelliscreen and others like it make it clear that I will still jailbreak my phone at 3.0.

    1. Re:Functionality! by tlhIngan · · Score: 2, Informative

      The reason I jailbreak is because my favorite app will NEVER be approved for the App Store. MxTube - lets you download YouTube videos for watching later. Do it over WiFi, 2G (ouch), or 3G. Load up your phone with YouTube videos and watch them at your convenience.

      As for background apps, Apple's case is fairly strong. Developers suck. Writing a battery-friendly app is extremely difficult. Even something as simple as polling for data every hour has a huge impact on battery life. And most developers will pick a simple solution over one that will be battery friendly, but may take a lot of workarounds to do. That's partly why Apple has to do the whole back-end notification thing. Also, waking up the processor is expensive, so you want to do as little of it as possible. It means when the processor has to wake up to do something (get data off the network), it better go about doing other periodic tasks as well because it's really stupid to go to sleep and wake up immediately again.

      I've done a TON of work trying to get processor spikes to happen in a synchronized fashion - when the processor wakes up, do every bloody thing that needs to be done so we can maximize the time the processor is sleeping (near off), and minimize the time the processor has to wake up. Everything that woke the CPU had to be analyzed to find out what it's doing, and why, and what could be done to avoid having to do it (is it necessary? Could we delay it until say, the user is interacting or a phone call?)

      It just takes one badly written app to turn your battery life from 500 hours standby to sub-24 hours. And chances are, you'll hit that app because "battery friendly" is extremely difficult.

  11. It's all about the awesome by richtaur · · Score: 5, Interesting

    iPhone is great, but a jailbroken iPhone is AWESOME! Oldschool emulators (Genesis, Nintendo), bash terminal, custom text ringtones, scp/ssh ... it's a fantastic device by itself, but without restrictions it's unbelievably good.

    1. Re:It's all about the awesome by Mr2001 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Heh. Android users can get those without having to hack anything.

      You're telling me you can't change the text ringtone on a stock iPhone? Seriously?

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  12. Must not be a programmer by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You have to first jailbreak the phone if you want to unlock it. But I recently switched to Google Android so I don't have to deal with this. It's a less nice experience, but I imagine a lot of people who are willing to go through the trouble of jailbreaking a phone are also willing to put up with the less polished UI.

    Given that Jailbreaking is essentially an O(1) operation over the life of the device, and day to day use is O(n), I'll take the better UI thanks!!

    On Android you also still have to deal with hunting down apps not approved for the store, just like looking at Cydia apps on the iPhone...

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    1. Re:Must not be a programmer by chartreuse · · Score: 3, Funny

      Goatse.

  13. Re:Apple suck by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Informative

    Unless their app is inefficient in its use of CPU power or RAM, you're almost certainly wrong about that. The iPod functionality of an iPhone can and does run in the background. Just start the music playing, then run the app. You can even control the iPod functionality while running other apps by clicking the headphone control once to pause, twice to skip to the next song, or three times to skip back to the previous song.

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  14. Fundamental "Grail" faulty by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The iPhone lacks background Applications - however, a percentage of the cases for making use of background processing are addressed by the notification service (which is finally going in with 3.0).

    Once you eliminate the entire class of polling apps, are the remaining set truly the "holy grail" of iPhone use? I don't think so.

    That said, Jailbreaking will thrive because there will always be stuff you can do with Jailbreaking you cannot otherwise, if nothing else just the opportunity for raw experimentation.... I seem to recall there has been some proof that Apple looks over these jailbroken apps, I'm sure they draw ideas from them and can even use them as a measure of just what areas people most want to see a deeper API exposed. So I don't think Apple will ever get serious about stopping this, not to mention they have been intelligent enough to know to spend only the most minimal time developing protection mechanisms that will be hacked anyway (which is all of them).

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  15. Re:"Experience" by onefriedrice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anything that justifies itself on the basis of "the user's experience" should be viewed appropriately - as a load of BS. Apple contends that they want us to have a smooth, consistent user "experience". Isn't that MY DECISION?

    Yeah, it is. So... what's the problem? If you want to make the decision to customize your user experience, go ahead and jailbreak. Otherwise, the user experience Apple provides is good enough for most people.

    Seriously, Apple's not going to haul you off to jail any more than will KDE for adapting their desktop software to fit your needs. Nobody is saying you have to do it Apple's way, but Apple is under no obligation to provide support to you if you try to make their software work in ways it's not yet designed to work (for reasons that are completely irrelevant).

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  16. Re:Apple suck by MrEricSir · · Score: 2, Funny

    So you want to listen to music while you send text messages and talk on the phone? That sounds like a car accident waiting to happen.

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  17. 3 Reasons I still keep my Touch Jailbroken by stalky14 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    1. File Sharing. My Touch shows up just like any other shared Mac in the Shared bar in Finder windows. Once I log in, I can drag files back and forth across the entire directory structure just like any NAS situation. This includes pulling out iTunes music, albeit with funky filenames. iTunes can still figure them out, though.

    2. Ad Block. Either by the shareware Adblock or a hosts file.

    3. Emulators. The GBA emulator has gotten quite good.

  18. Re:Other Than "War-Driving"... by GNUbuntu · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except it's not a faux tech expression. It comes from breaking out of a chroot jail. Lern2Unix plox.

  19. What for whom? by joh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The trouble is that as soon as you have arbitrary apps deciding to run in the background, you have to look *very* closely what they do. Because if you don't, these apps will suck at your battery until it is empty.

    And most normal users most certainly don't want to have to do that. At least with the appstore apps you can rely on them to stop doing anything as soon as you return to the home screen or click the phone "off". And Apple has done a really good job when it comes to power management. You may easily overlook this fact on an iPhone, but if you look at the iPod touch this thing runs (sleeps) for weeks if you press the off button. Having apps running in the background and then return to an empty battery two hours (or one day) later surely is *not* in the interest of the users. Constantly having to check for (and kill) running apps in some task-manager is no solution either.

    Say what you will about Apple, but power management is one thing they are very serious about, not only with the iPhone. The new MacBook is able to even put most netbooks to shame when it comes to minimum power draw and this is not due to magic but just to lots of hard work and smart hard- and software. I've seen my MacBook drawing about 6 watts from the battery with WiFi on, display on 50% and writing things. This is outright impressive, they must have some really clever people working on that while most other hardware vendors just don't care and either stuff fat batteries into their machines or give you two hours of battery life. Limitations like "no background apps on the iPhone" are there for a good reason, so be careful what you wish for.

  20. Re:Translation by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Informative

    GIven the nascent field that is mobile computing

    The field is "nascent" only in minds of Apple fanbois, who believe that iPhone is the first smartphone evar. Meanwhile, Symbian - which also allows for full multitasking - is still 2/3 of the whole market, and unit sales are measured in millions; and that has been going on for several years now. Ditto for Windows Mobile. We are long past the stage where any theoretical security problem with background applications (and other notions that are generally assumed to be obvious anywhere but on iPhone) would have already manifested itself in practice.