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Swine Flu Genetics Suggest a Vaccine Is Possible

Kristina at Science News writes "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced findings May 1 from genetic studies of swine flu virus from six different countries. A strong similarity from country to country suggests all the infections are from one strain, making a vaccine a strong possibility. It will be several months at least before such a vaccine would be developed, though."

116 comments

  1. LOL @ http://lol.pigf.lu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
  2. Good news by mapuche · · Score: 1

    This is great news because gives time to laboratories when the virus returns next fall.

  3. H1N1 A flu, please by mangu · · Score: 2, Informative

    Let's keep things straight, this misnaming has already caused too much harm.

    1. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by Kligat · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think we should rename AIDS so as to placate the hearing aids industry. We could call it Sean, or Christine.

    2. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by artor3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Too late for that. Everyone knows it as swine flu... having the media call it something else won't change a thing.

      The real thing that the media needs to be putting straight is just how little of a threat this flu is. It hasn't been any more lethal than seasonal flu, nor is it really spreading as fast as was originally believed.

      The media is causing a panic simply for ratings, which is quite despicable when you think about it.

    3. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by jd · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't it make more sense to name it after Tom Cruise or John Travolta?

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    4. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by 7-Vodka · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually the H1N1 does not mean what you think it means.

      The H stands for Hemagglutanin, a glycoprotein; the N stands for Neuraminidase, a glycosilated enzyme. Both are found on the surface of the virus which can expose them as a good target to use. There are actually other abbreviations referring to different parts of the influenza A RNA based genome.

      H1N1 just indicates the type of Hemagglutanin and Neuraminidase... There are other H1N1 flu viruses as well, like the so called spanish flu which actually originated in the USA. H1N1 doesn't specify a strain originating from pigs and so swine flu might even be a better denomination.

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    5. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by 7-Vodka · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also now having rtfa, I noticed this is even mentioned:

      influenza comes in many strains, each a slightly different version of the flu virus. The new flu strain infecting people around the globe is unique in that, although it has a well-known surface protein combination, H1N1, the H in this protein pairing has swine origins. Whether this trait will give this strain of flu virus unusual characteristics remains to be seen."

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    6. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by maxume · · Score: 1

      Connery!

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    7. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Xenu flu. Dianetics disease. Thetan-itis.

    8. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 1

      Do you think anyone will remember the Swine Flu in 10 years? It will only be seen in old printed media aka media archives. So yes the media calling it something else will change what history calls it.

    9. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by artor3 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What does that have to do with anything? The whole reason for people wanting to change the name is to convince the populace that it's safe to buy and eat pork.

    10. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by Wansu · · Score: 1

      What should we call it then? ... the other white flu?

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    11. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by blueskies · · Score: 0

      It hasn't been any more lethal than seasonal flu, nor is it really spreading as fast as was originally believed.

      ORLY? So you are saying more than 1000 people have been infected and less than one has died?

      In the US it has still been about 10x more fatal than seasonal flu. I'm not sure what seasonal flu you are talking about.

    12. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      There's a second reason: muslims and jews don't eat pork. I say, fuck them and fuck the pig farmers. It's swine flu.

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    13. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      The media is causing a panic simply for ratings, which is quite despicable when you think about it.

      There is a vacuum to fill (started by CNN decades ago), so it gets filled. With what, they don't really care.

    14. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You know what bothers me the most? That it's invariably people who don't give a shit about the "common flu" who go headless chicken over this craze.

      There's no vaccine. Yes. Did you get inoculated against the normal flu? No? THEN WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE?

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    15. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The flu formerly known as 'Swine'

    16. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It's still a wet fart compared to fatal car accident numbers. Why isn't anyone going bananas when he sees a car?

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    17. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by XnavxeMiyyep · · Score: 1

      In the US it has still been about 10x more fatal than seasonal flu. I'm not sure what seasonal flu you are talking about.

      In the US, one baby died from the swine flu. That's not really enough for a statistical analysis.

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    18. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by solweil · · Score: 1

      right, so much harm.

    19. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by MrMarket · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The drift from pigs to humans (and therefore no vaccine in production) caused the initial concern. Furthermore, this could come back more virulent in the winter. The 1918 flu was also H1N1, and it had three waves. The second wave was the big killer.

    20. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fsck you, and the white mule you rode in on.

      It's swine flu whether you like it or not!!

    21. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by tsa · · Score: 1

      Here in NL people have been calling it Mexican Flu for a while now. Works fine.

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    22. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by pnuema · · Score: 0, Redundant
      Because the last time we saw a flu with this mortality rate, it killed between 20 and 100 million. Back then, we had a sixth of the world's current population. So, taking into account modern medicine (the following is just a wild ass guess), let's say it only kills 10% of what it would have in 1918. That's half a million dead in the US alone (300 million people * .4 infection penetration * .04 mortality * .1 = 480,000 dead.) That's more than Katrina, 9/11, the tsunami, and all of the earthquakes for the last 10 years combined. In the US alone. Can you imagine Mumbai?

      That's a whole lot of fucking car accidents. Our information has improved in the last week, but what we knew last Monday looked positively apocalyptic. We still don't have enough information to rule this thing out as a major plague. So, given the stakes, I think a little careful scrutiny is warranted. You don't mess around with plague, man. Out of all the natural disasters humans face, it is absolutely the most deadly, and most certain. It will happen. Maybe not this time, but it will.

    23. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by rts008 · · Score: 0, Troll

      The drift from pigs to humans (and therefore no vaccine in production) caused the initial concern.

      You can't be serious...can you???

      I am safe in my bunker. Fsck the 2nd and 3rd waves that your hypothetical scenarios proscribe due to your limited imagination.

      I anticipated this airborne vector unlike any other entity could do. You are doomed. I will counter attack from my vault when your stupidity evaporates.

      Drift from pigs to humans?
      Duke Nukem Forever has not been released yet, so ....WTF?

      It was not the 'drift from pigs to humans' that was the concern, it was the ease that it was transmitted from human to human that was/is the big deal.

      Go ahead and keep knee-jerking shit, and deny what is actually happening...don't want to upset your agenda.

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    24. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by pnuema · · Score: 0, Redundant
      Because the last time we saw a flu with this mortality rate, it killed between 20 and 100 million. Back then, we had a sixth of the world's current population. So, taking into account modern medicine (the following is just a wild ass guess), let's say it only kills 10% of what it would have in 1918. That's half a million dead in the US alone (300 million people * .4 infection penetration * .04 mortality * .1 = 480,000 dead.) That's more than Katrina, 9/11, the tsunami, and all of the earthquakes for the last 10 years combined. In the US alone. Can you imagine Mumbai?

      As of Monday of last week, we knew two things that this flu had in common with the Spanish flu of 1918: that this flu killed healthy adults between 20 and 40, and that the mortality rate given the information at the time was between 4 and 5 percent. In the last week, those mortality figures have not held up, but what we knew last Monday looked positively apocalyptic. We still don't have enough information to rule this thing out as a major plague because we know of less than a thousand cases outside of Mexico. We just don't have a large enough sample, and in 1918, it started out weak in the spring, and slaughtered in the fall. So, given the stakes, I think a little careful scrutiny is warranted. You don't mess around with plague, man. Out of all the natural disasters humans face, it is absolutely the most deadly, and most certain. It will happen. Maybe not this time, but it will.

    25. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by rts008 · · Score: 1

      We should not 'call' it anything, and just get the fuck on with our lives.
        Let who ever, wherever, and whenever label it as they see fit.
      Let 'Demographics' determine what is relevant, maybe?

      P.S. you 'epic failed' on your 'funny' attempt.

      ..the other white flu?

      That should have been: 'the other, other white flu'.

      Turn in your geek card on the way out.
      Don't let the door hit you on the ass. (yeah, I noticed your 3 digit UID)

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    26. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about you quit copying and pasting your pointless fearmongering and go/return to the peak oil idiots over at doomers.us or something?

    27. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by icebike · · Score: 1

      > Because the last time we saw a flu with this mortality rate, it killed between 20 and 100 million.

      Citation needed.

      We have no idea of the mortality rate of this flu. We don't even have reliable ways of distinguishing it from run-of-the-mill flu on any significant scale. Nobody knows the infection rate.

      In fact this is nothing at all like 1918. That flu killed young, and old alike, and everyone in between. Strong young adults died by the thousands.

      This flu kills small children and the aged only. anyone over 5 and under 70 in reasonably good health will shake it off just like normal seasonable flu.

      Fear monger much?

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    28. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by icebike · · Score: 1

      One copy of this fear mongering nonsense per SlashDot story is enough. You had your say up-thread.

      Stop your fear mongering and go have a beer.

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    29. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by James+Skarzinskas · · Score: 1

      Furthermore, the single US death (that 23-month old Mexican child) was reported by health officials to already have been afflicted by a number of underlying conditions prior to his swine flu exposure.

      But hey, that information doesn't sound nearly frightening enough, so let's just shove it off to the footnotes, yes?

    30. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You're seriously comparing the US 1918 to the US today? Seriously? Malnutrished people that just returned from a trench war vs. overfed people who have all the time to be lazy at home and cure their sickness?

      You talked about a too small sample. And indeed we do have a too small sample. 658 cases reported, half of that in Mexico. You honestly suggest that I go nuts over that? 300 Mexicans of ... dunno, how many, a hundred millions? After a month. If we're beyond 10,000 in July, we can talk about some serious problem.

      Until then, why go insane? What can I do?

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    31. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by blueskies · · Score: 1

      Agreed. But if we are going to extrapolate, we need to be concerned with worst-case scenarios, only because the worst-case scenarios can be most effectively mitigated by early action.

    32. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by blueskies · · Score: 1

      What don't you understand about exponential progressions?

      Why isn't anyone going bananas when he sees a car?

      Can you phrase your question in a more ignorant manner?

      You sound like the people who talk about a the chances of a tornado making a fully working 747 out of parts as proof that evolution couldn't possibly be valid. You're in good company.

    33. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by blueskies · · Score: 1

      Seriously? you can't find a citation on your own?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

      They are only now saying that the current H1N1 strain isn't as bad as first thought.

      I mean what do you want? Would you feel better if they were proved right and millions died? It's not like a 6 month to 7 year interval of fear mongering. It was one week of prudent precautions. Don't be a big baby about it.

      I mean do you really believe the CDC is fear mongering so they can build a $500 billion budget for a war on flu? Because they are the normal part of Gov't that forges Mexican death certificates so they could raise the flu threat level just to fuck with your head. Everyone knows the CDC is the most politicized department of the gov't.

    34. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by ultranova · · Score: 1

      You know what bothers me the most? That it's invariably people who don't give a shit about the "common flu" who go headless chicken over this craze.

      Why should that bother you? Get some popcorn, sit back, and enjoy the farce. "The world was doomed, but it kept running anyway." -The Prince of Lies, by James Lowder

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    35. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > The drift from pigs to humans...

      Citation, please?

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    36. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by MrMarket · · Score: 1

      > The drift from pigs to humans...

      Citation, please?

      From the CDC: "This virus was originally referred to as âoeswine fluâ because laboratory testing showed that many of the genes in this new virus were very similar to influenza viruses that normally occur in pigs in North America."

    37. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by MrMarket · · Score: 1

      Go ahead and keep knee-jerking shit, and deny what is actually happening...don't want to upset your agenda.

      Whoa! Struck a nerve there. I guess it's not really paranoia if they are really out to get you. Boo!

    38. Re:H1N1 A flu, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until then, why go insane? What can I do?

      I can tell you what you can't do. You can't buy hand sanitizer (Purell). I got the last bottle at my Walgreens yesterday. And no, I'm not crazy, I'm going camping.

  4. Stop the madness by wondercool · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sofar it looks like this is just another influenza variant.

    Stop panicking, it's really not interesting enough. What has taken us? Some irrational fear of death? No other news? Organisations beating their drum for self preservation?

    Please?!

    1. Re:Stop the madness by MollyB · · Score: 1

      Yes, but "just another variant" with one or two added amino acids (statistically almost inevitable?)* from mutation might have made this a Big Deal. We can't know in advance which variant will 'poop out' or which might bring about the next lethal pandemic. We got lucky, so far...
      I agree the takeaway is less dramatic than the story has been hyped to date. Maybe this is just a Good Thing, even if the news is anticlimactic?

      *IANAn Epidemiologist.

    2. Re:Stop the madness by jd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's interesting is:

      (a) The total lack of action by the Mexican Government, when it was still considered entirely possible that it was going to be extremely dangerous.

      (b) The totally inappropriate responses by most of the other world Governments, and

      (c) The very slow and questionable response by health care officials who have been preparing for a major flu epidemic for some time now and AUGHT to have much better procedures by this time.

      This particular strain looks like it's relatively mild. It is missing a protein that is carried by the deadlier strains, for a start. However, what this experience tells us is that those ultimately responsible for handling epidemics and pandemics are incompetent and/or corrupt, and will be utterly ineffective should a pandemic actually occur.

      If this ineptness is repeated when a deadly flu virus outbreak does happen, we will see an outcome not much different from 1918 or any other such disaster. THAT is what we should be worried about.

      (Not that this is new. After Y2K, did we see any effort to fix the 2038 bug? Nooooo. It's a long time off and we'll have replaced all our software by then, just like we did with our two-digit-date software before 2000.)

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    3. Re:Stop the madness by maxume · · Score: 1

      What world governments responded inappropriately?

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    4. Re:Stop the madness by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 0

      I for one am glad they don't waste a few hundred million on derailing drug labs and other emergency control every time there's a media panic.

    5. Re:Stop the madness by russotto · · Score: 1

      (Not that this is new. After Y2K, did we see any effort to fix the 2038 bug? Nooooo. It's a long time off and we'll have replaced all our software by then, just like we did with our two-digit-date software before 2000.)

      Actually, yes. Or, at least, there's a reason for that 64-bit time_t in modern Unixes.

    6. Re:Stop the madness by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      1. but but but the mass media whores need something to sensationalize.
      2. the government needs another excuse to spend billions of tax dollars.
      A. this flu story is just another load of bullcrap shoved in front of the clueless television zombies that buy everything that is broadcast in front of them, its no worse than any other flu bug that goes around every year...

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    7. Re:Stop the madness by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Well, Egypt had basically a national slaughtering of pigs in order to "combat" the flu....

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    8. Re:Stop the madness by maxume · · Score: 1

      Sure, but that is obvious and boring to complain about, I want to know what 'most' he is talking about, not about the radical reaction in Egypt that pretty clearly has an ulterior motive.

      Basically, as far as I can figure, he thinks that there should have been a much harder travel shutdown (to control things as much as possible), or there should have been much less public disclosure about things (because the public reaction has been far beyond what would be justified by the situation).

      It is tough to evaluate something like this, where government responses have had a significant impact on how things have played out; given the small number of infected, it is a little silly to complain about the reaction being too mild, but I guess it depends on your attitude regarding the economic damage done by reaction to severely. And then there is still room to argue that actions where inappropriate without being too severe or too mild, but my impression is that the government response has been reasonable and proactive (but I don't expect them to get it exactly perfect).

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    9. Re:Stop the madness by jd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, no. It's pointless shutting down the transit system, and sticking infrared cameras everywhere (as oa few places did) was unlikely to produce results either.

      Britain ordered hundreds of thousands of filtered masks. Which might stop patients from being infected by health-care workers, but would not have stopped the health-care workers from being infected. They did not order much in the way of antivirals, which were known to be effective.

      America closed some schools down, which did indeed shut down the vector of kid-to-kid transmission. As sick kids often end up going to work with their parents, it did however mean that you exposed adults to any potential infection, and kids would get infected from their parents. So it didn't actually do anything useful. Again, antivirals were not being ordered.

      Canada took several weeks (maybe closer to a month) to isolate the flu virus from the first-known case. Well, in all probability, they got the sample, ignored it for ages, checked it, sat on the results for a long time, and then got round to telling someone. Active they were not. When they did inform the Mexicans, they obviously didn't inform the Americans as the CDC had no information on the flu in Mexico until the Mexicans sent them the data. So we can conclude the Canadian Government - even once the concerns started coming in - sat on their own data from Mexico. If this had been something dangerous, this political foppery could have been disastrous, and the Canadians couldn't have known at that point if it was going to be a nasty situation or not.

      That should be enough examples to be getting on with.

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    10. Re:Stop the madness by jd · · Score: 1

      And how many people use a modern Unix? Remember, Linux (the most modern *ix out there) has only reached 1% uptake. And even then, it won't help if the apps are only using 32-bit time_t structures.

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    11. Re:Stop the madness by jd · · Score: 1

      Look at all the genetic genealogy and genetic disease labs around the world - many going out of business from having too few orders. It would have derailed no-one if one or two Governments had decided the smart thing would be to do a complete analysis of the virus - and a vulnerability test on those who died vs. those who recovered, to see if there was any obvious indication of why there was a difference between Mexico and everywhere else.

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    12. Re:Stop the madness by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      Speaking as someone in the trenches during Y2K, having to do that again really doesn't worry me. For most of us, it was just another task, and for some COBOL programmers, it let them make a shitload extra on contracting fees.

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    13. Re:Stop the madness by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      We are irrationally afraid of death. Because we expect to live long.

      I think it can be summed up like that. We kinda expect that we'll reach retirement age, watch our grandchildren grow up and generally don't die unless we're like 80, at the very least. So anything that we can't really prepare for and that threatens this plan, no matter how insignificant the odds, creates a panic.

      Terrorism. Your chances to die in a terrorist attack are one tenth of a percent. The annual death rate in the US is 8.27/1000, with 300 Million people living there, that means that in the last 10 years about 2.5 Million people died. About 3000 thereof in terrorist attacks. Or 0.1 percent. So 99.9 percent of the people that died in the last ten years died of other causes. Heart attacks, cancer, traffic accidents, gunshots, drowning or, hell, some freak accidents that you find later on the Darwin Awards. Yet we're not afraid of fatty food, smoking, cars, guns, swimming or putting them all together to "try somthing we always wanted to do".

      Yet, those are threats we know and we can handle. We're used to guns and cars. And we know well that it's not healthy to eat lots of fat and inhale the fumes of burning tobacco. Yet we use and consume that. We use cars and guns because we can handle them, or at least we think we can. We eat fatty and smoke because, hey, it's enjoyable! Terrorism is something we neither consider controllable nor something we enjoy.

      The whole flu craze is due to the same mechanism. We're used to living long. We don't expect sicknesses to be "uncurable".

      Go back 200 years and people would have shrugged it off with a "meh". What gives, you have smallpox and cholera and malaria, one more disease that might kill me before my time? Meh.

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    14. Re:Stop the madness by maxume · · Score: 0, Troll

      The British mask thing doesn't really seem to matter (I mean, it can't have cost a great deal, so the impact just isn't there; it might be ridiculous, but it simply isn't damaging).

      Doesn't the U.S. have relatively large stocks of antivirals just sitting around? This is the impression that I am under; from what I can tell, Roche produces a fairly large amount of Tamiflu for government stockpiling, and new orders wouldn't significantly impact the amount of drug available for treatment in the U.S. (I.e., thar be plenty for the moment). By means of plenty, my understanding is that there are millions of courses on the shelf in the U.S.

      The Mexican/Canadian song and dance isn't something I am familiar with, so I have no idea. Hopefully your impression of the Canadian reaction being incompetent is wrong. Clearly, the Mexican reaction was not ideal.

      There is some upside to the current situation, as there is a chance to use it as a smoke test and take action to improve things (a simple step would be for the CDC to commit a few million towards establishing a quiet monitoring system in Mexico, claims on their sovereignty be damned).

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    15. Re:Stop the madness by KevinIsOwn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What an incredible bunch of nonsense. The response by governments so far has actually be surprisingly good- the disease barely spread outside of North America so far, and even within North America its reach is rather limited. Had governments not acted this wouldn't be the case at all. The infections in New York City alone would have spread out of control.

      Where do you come off accusing the officials of being inept or corrupt (or slow despite preparations)? You give absolutely no examples, but there are plenty of examples of officials rising to the challenge (Quickly closing schools in New York that were effected by the virus to stop the spread, quickly quarantining people who had visited Mexico who were ill with the disease and notifying passengers near them that they are at risk, having stocks of tamiflu and other drugs ready for distribution)

      While the health response in Mexico clearly leaves a lot to be desired, they did eventually act, and it appears they were at least somewhat effective. If anything this indicates the need for the US to do more to ensure countries who don't have as well funded disease control centers have the resources necessary to identify these sorts of diseases before they spread all over the place.

      And so although it appears the whole ordeal with this strain of flu was fairly overblown, it offered (and continues to offer) a training exercise for officials for when the real thing happens. Of course mistakes were made, but at least they can identify them and try to fix them so that we are better prepared should a pandemic come our way in the future.

      (And for all the talk about how "mild" this strain is, sure it won't kill you, but having the flu with the added bonus of potential vomiting and diarrhea don't sound all that fun to me, so I'm quite happy with the continued vigilance in stopping the spread of the disease)

    16. Re:Stop the madness by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 1

      I agree. To me the headline says "Swine flu really is just the flu, go get your flu vaccine as usual". The whole point of going to get flu vaccines until now has been the exact same reason: influenza kills people in any form.

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    17. Re:Stop the madness by canuck08 · · Score: 1

      Nonsense.

      (a) Mexico's response.
      Detection and tracking of the outbreak has been better than ever before thanks to the new arrangements and co-operation between national governments and the WHO.
      Co-operation and diligence has resulted in what may be the fastest detection and response to a new virus in history.

      (b) Other government responses.
      I am only closely tracking the response of Canada's public health agency and that of America's CDC.
      They have been doing all the right things.
      Testing, tracking, sequencing the genome and developing the feed stock for the vaccine.
      Communicating with the public to help people protect themselves effectively.

      From what I read in the news, China and Russia are another story.
      Egypt has aparrently gone insane.

      (c) Health care response.
      Your point here is rather vague. I have no idea what you are talking about.
      Who did what that you did not like? Who did not do something you wanted them to do? Who are you talking about?

      You know who IS responding inapporopriately and making things worse? The people shouting incoherent and nonsensical messages of panic.

      If you want to do something to help... Wash your hands and remind others to do the same.
      If you've got some skills and inspiration then please come up with a faster method of growing vaccines.

    18. Re:Stop the madness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canada took several weeks (maybe closer to a month) to isolate the flu virus from the first-known case. Well, in all probability, they got the sample, ignored it for ages, checked it, sat on the results for a long time, and then got round to telling someone. Active they were not. When they did inform the Mexicans, they obviously didn't inform the Americans as the CDC had no information on the flu in Mexico until the Mexicans sent them the data. So we can conclude the Canadian Government - even once the concerns started coming in - sat on their own data from Mexico.

      Where did you get this information? It seems to be incorrect... or perhaps simply wild speculation?
      It is not consistent with the published record or the account given by Canada's top public health officer Dr. David Butler-Jones.

    19. Re:Stop the madness by zoney_ie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sick kids going to work with their parents? What on earth? If that is common in your area, it's fairly awful! Sick kids here in Ireland mostly rightly get to stay at home, either with a parent already at home (raising a family, running a household) or with a parent who simply takes time off work (certain occupations would be tricky for that, but it would seldom be both parents with such a job). Sometimes the employer might insist on annual leave being used (there is a statutory minimum of 21 days in addition to the public holidays).

      If the parents can't even get time off from work to mind a sick child, one has to wonder if they really should have undertaken to raise children with both parents working. It also raises questions about there being sufficient regulation to ensure worker's rights.

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    20. Re:Stop the madness by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 1

      They did not order much in the way of antivirals, which were known to be effective.

      I don't know where you got your information from, but you are misinformed.

      http://www.healthcarerepublic.com/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=HCR.News.GP.LatestNews.Article&nNewsID=901865&sHashCode=#AddComment

      The UK has a large stock of anti-virals, and has ordered more - they're now up to 50 million doses of Tamiflu ordered, which is quite good coverage given the population is around 60m. The masks are of debatable utility, but may help healthcare workers if coupled with goggles and other precautions like washing hands frequently.

    21. Re:Stop the madness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right.. nothing to worry about. The last time this happened, it only killed 20-100 million people, almost all of them healthy, young individuals (the one it attacks the most, via a cytokine storm).

      Nothing to see here, just a typical deadly virus strain that jumped from porcine to humans, and has the potential to wipe out a significant percentage of the country's population, without a vaccine available.

    22. Re:Stop the madness by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Sick kids here in Ireland mostly rightly get to stay at home, either with a parent already at home (raising a family, running a household) or with a parent who simply takes time off work

      I don't know if that's really true, or if you just live on an Ivory tower, but in the US we already declared kids having to be home by themselves after school every day an epidemic and gave it a name ("latch key kids") and then got bored of it and forgot about it. The problem is still just as bad as ever or worse, but we gave up on fixing it. In this country, we can't afford to take the day off and spend it with a sick kid. Nor can the typical family afford to have a parent at home full-time.

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  5. Ooh, a swine flu vaccine! by Threni · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How exciting! Because, you know, it's really dangerous, and well worthy of all the attention in the media. Isn't it? It's going to kill millions of people around the world, right? The 191..uh, make that 101 people in Mexico is just the start. Once it kicks in, the millions of (insert currency) it'll cost to develop a vaccine is going to be well worth it.

    1. Re:Ooh, a swine flu vaccine! by bunratty · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure it will kill millions around the world... eventually. Flu kills hundreds of thousands worldwide every year, and this novel flu virus will be around for tens or even hundreds of years. If this strain is responsible for a few percent of flu deaths and is around for only 100 years, that can easily add up to millions... eventually.

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    2. Re:Ooh, a swine flu vaccine! by blueskies · · Score: 1

      What's your point? Eventually given enough time a million people will die? That's amazing.

      If that is the case, who cares if a milion die in one year from the flu?

    3. Re:Ooh, a swine flu vaccine! by mangamuscle · · Score: 1

      Get your facts, the number of fatalities in Mexico so far is 19 (yesterday was 16), not 191 nor 101. Oh, you could add the baby that died in Texas to thw total if you want (since they came and lived in Mexico) for a whooping total of 20 deaths.

    4. Re:Ooh, a swine flu vaccine! by Undefined+Parameter · · Score: 1

      Flu kills hundreds of thousands worldwide every year

      [Citation Needed]

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    5. Re:Ooh, a swine flu vaccine! by Threni · · Score: 1

      I did get my facts - I got them from sites such as these:

      http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090502.wflusat0502/BNStory/International/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20090502.wflusat0502

      "Mexican authorities cut their suspected death toll to up to 101 from as many as 176 as more test samples came back negative."

    6. Re:Ooh, a swine flu vaccine! by mhelander · · Score: 1

      Well, stealing the link from Threni, a few posts down:

      http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090502.wflusat0502/BNStory/International/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20090502.wflusat0502

      From the link:

      "Scientists are still trying to assess how the new virus behaves and how it compares to regular seasonal flu strains, which kill between 250,000 and 500,000 globally every year."

    7. Re:Ooh, a swine flu vaccine! by mangamuscle · · Score: 1

      Sorry to tell they are wrong, typical case of journalism mistranlating data and being to coward to rectify. Here is a recent article automatically translated (I know it is not the best translation, but tue info is there nonetheless) to english, notice here it is not "mexican authorities", the articles give their full names: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eluniversal.com.mx%2Fnacion%2F167763.html&lp=es_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

  6. So....We've all forgotten by filmmaker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    about those torture memos with all this swine flu brouhaha, haven't we?

    1. Re:So....We've all forgotten by KliX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, we never really cared.

    2. Re:So....We've all forgotten by Sir_Real · · Score: 1

      Another three banks shut down today. Long term treasury rates are rising in spite of Fed policy. There is an ammo shortage (bare shelves at wall mart). The GOP is essentially dead.

  7. Funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:Funny? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 1

      Last one disallows hotlinking you have to go to the site (nsfw) before you can visit that url.

    2. Re:Funny? by x2A · · Score: 1

      It works fine if you copy the URL and paste it into a new window, rather than click the link (as that won't send the HTTP REFERER field)

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    3. Re:Funny? by Dahamma · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Gizmodo version of the first one is even better...

      http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/05/pig-kisser.jpg

    4. Re:Funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That one /is/ better! It was the one I was looking for, but couldn't dig up the link.

  8. Scientifically, yes by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 1

    Someone should do a study to see if it is socially possible to stop it with vaccinations. Something tells me that is a better question.

    1. Re:Scientifically, yes by Chlorine+Trifluoride · · Score: 1

      Well, global statistics for immunizations are in the 80s, with developed countries up in the low 90s, (WHO), so they aren't a big factor.

      Remember, the idiocy of a group is inversely proportional to its loudness.

    2. Re:Scientifically, yes by Ironchew · · Score: 1

      That is the hardest sentence in the world to read. apt-get vaclib? Whales? Autism generation? Your non-sequitor was drowned out by my overactive imagination, you insensitive clod!

      Oh, and a sentence of links will never be browsed. Ever. Except by weird things like the Fasterfox plugin.

  9. Science includes toxicology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, it really sucks that some individuals prefer to not be injured for the good of the imaginary herd.

    1. Re:Science includes toxicology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, what really sucks is that those who prefer not to get vaccinated because of imaginary injury are still protected from disease by the 'herd' they like to look down upon.

    2. Re:Science includes toxicology by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      No, what really sucks is that the people who choose to avoid vaccines because of these far-fetched and thoroughly debunked fantasies provide hosts for these viruses and thus provide an opportunity for them to mutate into new strains that the vaccines do not protect against.

      I'm not saying that flu would be eradicated if everyone got vaccinated, but it would be greatly diminished, and more to the point, the rise of unexpected new strains would be much more easily detected if everyone were largely immune to the predicted primary seasonal strains.

      This new flu strain would almost certainly not have become a pandemic if we had near-universal flu vaccination. The first person would have shown flu-like symptoms and doctors would have quickly studied it to figure out what they were dealing with rather than assuming it was just seasonal flu until after several weeks of unusual death rates.

      That multi-week delay in realizing that there was an emergent strain is the sole reason that containment was impossible. Had this been detected quickly and mandatory quarantines been put into effect within 24 hours after the emergence of the strain, there is every reason to believe that the outbreak could have been contained at worst to a single country, and in all likelihood, to a small region within that country. Thus, the lack of vaccination for seasonal flu is the primary cause of this pandemic in spite of the fact that it doesn't confer any protection against this strain itself.

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  10. Futility by DefenseSupportParty · · Score: 1

    That's just because I've been letting it spread. Once I invest my mutation points into drug resistance, it's over. I'm just waiting for it to infect Madagascar first; I don't want them closing their sea port.

  11. Fast action! by CyberDong · · Score: 1

    Interestingly, on the day that the CDC decided it was possible to craft a vaccine, these guys issued a press release saying they have one ready for testing...

    1. Re:Fast action! by indi0144 · · Score: 1

      Hi Fellow American Concerned Citizen
      What you're talking about sounds too much just like a conspiracy theory and just because of that you know that everyone reading your post will say "OMG it can be truth but talking about it would make other people lose any credibility on me, better hush. Now, curse that damn Mexicans" Is that what you want? Huh? Sounds a little racist for me so stop wasting everyone's time and just gather somewhere with other people, go to a baseball park, or basketball arena, don't forget to breath very deep once you're there and if by any chance you see someone sneezing just go a kiss him/her! Why not? These are great times! Let's all enjoy our achievement bonus che.. eh your bonus points if you go without a jacket or coat.

      Yours

      Pedro Sanchez
      viral marketing
      Baxter International Mexico
      Mexico D.F

  12. Shhh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm watching Fox News.

  13. A Pandemic Monitoring System... by I)_MaLaClYpSe_(I · · Score: 1
    ...can be found here: RSOE EDIS - Pandemic Monitoring System. Looks quite scary.

    FYI, they also happen to have a Disaster and Emergency AlertMap.

  14. think people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The government is making the virus and media do this to see how viruses spread, not only that, but also how people will react to the hysteria. Think about it.. how many people have died from it? Really? So why is it a big deal?

  15. What torture memos? by denzacar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Surely you mean global economic crisis?

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  16. It is only scary as long... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    ...you don't realize that if it was syphilis, gonorrhea or even AIDS - that there would be MANY more red flags.
    Most of the map would probably be red.

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  17. Why does it only kill Mexicans? by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    Can a doctor explain this? Only Mexicans seem to die from this influenza strain. The one baby that died in the USA was a Mexican child. Other people don't even get particularly ill from it and it seems to be milder than more common strains of flu. WTF?

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    1. Re:Why does it only kill Mexicans? by zxjio · · Score: 1

      It was said in a BBC News article a few days ago, which I can't find at the moment, that Mexico has so many deaths because there is a culture that you go to the doctor only as a last resort, and by then the infected people are really bad.

    2. Re:Why does it only kill Mexicans? by ChibiOne · · Score: 1

      It doesn't take a doctor to explain this. Any Mexican, like myself, can tell you

      The Mexican public health system sucks.
      The private health system is great, but expensive, especially for a country where minimum wage is 5 USD per day. Not hour, day.
      This has created a culture in which most people avoid going to the doctor unless it is absolutely necessary. For example, say, when you have been experiencing a 40 C (104 F) degree fever for two or three days. By this time, it's been said, antivirals are not as effective. The result: 19 confirmed deaths in Mexico.

    3. Re:Why does it only kill Mexicans? by rve · · Score: 1

      Can a doctor explain this?

      Only Mexicans seem to die from this influenza strain. The one baby that died in the USA was a Mexican child. Other people don't even get particularly ill from it and it seems to be milder than more common strains of flu. WTF?

      There are only two logical explanations:

      1 - The Mexican flu is a lot more contagious and less lethal than initially thought. Perhaps there are tens of thousands of people in Mexico sick with this flu, with a mortality of less than 1 in 100. In that case there haven't been enough cases outside Mexico for a lot of deaths yet.

      2 - Advanced medical care is keeping critically ill patients in the US alive

      The suggestion that a virus can only kill Mexicans is just retarded.

    4. Re:Why does it only kill Mexicans? by canuck08 · · Score: 1

      There is as yet no explanation for this.
      There is some speculation but for the moment we cannot say with any confidence why there have been no deaths outside of Mexico.

      It is worth noting that the number of infections outside of Mexico is not yet high enough to provide a reliable statistical sample.

      The sequencing of the complete genome may yield some clues.

    5. Re:Why does it only kill Mexicans? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Most of the deaths so far have been caused not by flu itself, but by secondary infections that are able to invade the body once the flu has weakened the immune system. If you are given antibiotics early on, then this is much, much, less likely to happen. Once the initial scare happened, everyone with flu-like symptoms started rushing to their doctor and was treated correctly. Before then, people just did what you normally do with flu and tried to wait it out.

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  18. Rather, stop the bullshit by mungtor · · Score: 1

    No, pretty much all of your "points" are incorrect or misleading. You're just an attention whore.

    Let this be a lesson to all readers. A low /. ID doesn't confer any special reasoning powers on anybody. It just means that there were morons with internet access from the beginning.

    1. Re:Rather, stop the bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's pretty clear he's just some troll that just recently purchased a 4-digit UID. Ignore him.

  19. Facts please - Has anyone you know had this flu? by JavaManJim · · Score: 1

    Has anyone you know had this flu? If so what were the symptoms? Also list city and state. Would be interesting if /. bettered Google Flu.

    Cough cough,
    Jim

  20. Vaccines are a waste of time. Stop your satire ok? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are many remedies that a vaccine doesn't cover, not to mention that the mercury preservation in the vaccine delivery mechanism is The leading cause of auto-immune response inherent in ADD and ADHD.

    (7)Monitor the PH level of your saliva and urine with a digital PH meter, and know that an alkaly level (7.4) renders one's body uninhabitable by cancers and virus.

    (1)Doing studies on immune system therapies, the Chinese have learned that the antigens ejected from the body in the urine would yield a stimulant to fortify the immune system by immediate ingestion: try mixing 1 ounce of your immediate urine to 7 ounces of water with a tea-spoon of sodium bicarbonate (Baking Soda). Keep refrigerated and used between 1 month and 3 months is the best results;

    (2)Avoid anything thought to be dairy;

    (3)Avoid carbonated beverages (these cause oxygen depletion in the body, myoxia, leading symptom X of the buzzward "fibromyalgia" that has built more a livelyhood for drug companies and its whores than a remedy);

    (4)Avoid processed (white) sugars, non-sea (white) salts, and (white) "enriched" flour;

    (5)Avoid preservatives (citric acid), toxic industrial dopamine manipulators/flavor-enhancers (aspartame), and GMO'd non-foods marketed as organic grains and staples (rice, corn, beans).

    (6)Consume natural grown food, the closer to you the better, raw vegetables with "oxalyic acid" and seeds with "nitrilocydes."

  21. Hah! Try this one. Is that all you guys have? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The following URL's aren't dangerous

    `ere Miss Piggy, ye all henceforth!

    Nothing beats ol' Rosie than Al-CIAeda photo prop's to all my dead homiez on planet Iraqqis.

  22. Pass the pork, please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I prefer it as "swine flu", means cheap pork!

    In fact, they should call it "pork flu".

  23. Vaccine development by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    This is a fascinating concept, come to think of it. Individually, we have been using an adaptive immune system for millions of years.

    Now we can isolate the virus in a lab, create a vaccine for it, and spread it all around the world. Civilization itself is an organism with its own immune system.

  24. I wasn't feeling well by coryking · · Score: 1

    Nor was my ladyfriend, who works with the public every day. Last week both of us were achy, runny nose, and had a sore throat. Mostly gone now. Wonder if we got this dreaded swine flu? Wonder how many people had it or are having it right now, but just don't have any symptoms that merit anything more than a hot shower, ibuprofen, and tea?

    1. Re:I wasn't feeling well by JavaManJim · · Score: 1

      My uneducated guess is that this flavor of H1N1 is

      a) As you said mild to very serious. For example were you two up on previous flu immunizations? I was but still had mild flu like symptoms.

      b) A lot more prevalent than we think. For example in Dallas TX, lots of schools are closing because someone's kid was sick. What about their parents and family? Those people might not be testing.

      c) With a Mexican probable source and a USA Mexican underground economy, these cases will be all over the place but unreported and thus undetected.

      Thanks,
      Jim

    2. Re:I wasn't feeling well by coryking · · Score: 1

      Neither of us has ever had flu shot and we never plan to. You gotta give your immune system something to do or it will slack off and not function when you actually need it.

      I'll bet it is way more prevalent than we think.

  25. Vaccine against influenza A is already AVAILABLE by Zdzicho00 · · Score: 1

    The vaccine ACAM-FLU-A, made by Acambis, should give lifelong protection against all strains of influenza A - the cause of pandemics. It can protect against swine flu (H1N1), avian flu (H5N1) and all other known strains of type A.
    Introducing something like this will mean eradication of flu because vaccine targets region of influenza virus which is common for all its types and doesn't change when virus is mutating.
    Right now the second phase of clinical testing is performed, first phase has been finished successfully (90% of vaccinated people developed antibodies against flu virus).

    See article:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7171118.stm

    There is one strange thing related to this vaccine. In September 2008 Sanofi Pasteur which is one of the biggest vaccine producing companies in the word has acquired Acambis.

    Read this:
    http://198.73.159.214/sanofi-pasteur2/ImageServlet?imageCode=23340&siteCode=SP_CORP

    Wonder if this is connected somehow to development of universal vaccine. Selling of seasonal flu vaccines is main source of income for Sanofi Pasteur, maybe they do not want to introduce ACAM-FLU-A into market because it will mean less money for them? Guess if any such money is worth 500 000 deaths due to influenza every year.

    /Z

  26. Re:Vaccines are a waste of time. Stop your satire by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    Most of what you are saying is flat out wrong.... In the same (very bizarre) order as the parent:

    0. The presence of mercury in vaccines is a red herring. We're talking about 62.5 micrograms per dose. You get that much mercury from eating a typical portion of tuna. An average adult gets nearly that much every week from dental fillings alone. This theory for the cause of autism seems pretty implausible. Further, these days, vaccines intended for children are available in a thimerosal-free variant specifically for this purpose, making this argument against vaccines utterly moot.

    7. This is a clear case of correlation being confused with causation.... A pH level of 7.4 is considered normal in humans. So basically you are saying that most humans cannot get viruses or cancer. This is clearly not correct.... The normal range is 7.35 to 7.45. If you are outside that range, it is likely indicative of illness. Bringing your pH into that range doesn't kill viruses. Killing viruses brings it into that range.

    1. That is just freaking disgusting.

    2. Avoiding dairy is unnecessary unless you are lactose intolerant. I can certainly understand trying to avoid BGH, but there are BGH-free dairies that you can get your milk from. And in the grand scheme of things, it's really not that big a risk.

    3. No thoughts about the safety of drinking carbonated beverages (at least as far as the CO2 is concerned). I would note that fibromyalgia, as far as I can tell, is similar to dementia in that it is basically a catch-all diagnosis that means "We don't know what's wrong." Thus attributing it to any single cause seems dubious to me, but....

    4. Bleaching flour does reduce the health benefits, but not all white flour is bleached. Ultragrain(R), for example, is a white flour that is not bleached.

    Salt (at least salt that is safe for human consumption) is naturally clearish-white, including the sea salt you promote. Be afraid of any salt that is not white. As far as health goes, you should to be really careful using sea salt to ensure that you get enough iodine. It is not recommended as a substitute for table salt unless you either consume lots of citrus fruit or just enjoy goiter. :-)

    White sugar is just brown sugar with the molasses separated out. I'm not convinced that avoiding white sugar is a very good idea. AFAICT, the alternatives are all much worse for you. The things you need to avoid are high fructose corn syrup and any sugar substitutes (not just aspartane). Artificial sweeteners cause the human body to crave the calories that it is expecting, and when those calories don't follow, this causes you to consume more food than you otherwise would. This is why studies have shown diet drinks tend to cause weight gain in the long term, not weight loss. HFCS does the same thing, just to a lesser degree. You're much better off with cane sugar.

    5. I think my comments on #4 mostly covered this. Avoiding citric acid probably isn't necessary. It is relatively harmless. Avoiding other preservatives, though, yes. In particular, avoid sodium benzoate. When combined with citric acid, it releases benzene, which is really nasty stuff.

    6. I assume you mean oxalic acid. If so, you should not increase your consumption of those foods---at least not without cooking them to destroy the oxalic acid. In the long term, excessive consumption of oxalic acid can cause a number of nutritional deficiencies including osteoporosis.

    I also assume you mean nitrilosides, e.g. amygdalin. I would caution again that excessive consumption of these substances (particularly in the form of oral supplements) is toxic. Specifically, it releases cyanide when ingested....

    Also, the whole locavore thing has some advantages in terms of reducing greenhouse gas emissions, but it really isn't doing your body any favors health-wise. There are lots of areas where little or no food can be grown usefully, and most parts of the world can't feasibly

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