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Virginia Health Database Held For Ransom

An anonymous reader writes "The Washington Post's Security Fix is reporting that hackers broke into servers at the Virginia health department that monitors prescription drug abuse and replaced the homepage with a ransom demand. The attackers claimed they had deleted the backups, and demanded $10 million for the return of prescription data on more than 8 million Virginians. Virginia isn't saying much about the attacks at the moment, except to acknowledge that they've involved the FBI, and that they've shut down e-mail and a whole mess of servers for the state department of health professionals. The Post piece credits Wikileaks as the source, which has a copy of the ransom note left behind by the attackers."

325 comments

  1. Non-story? by Jane_Dozey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm assuming that not even a governmental department can be stupid enough not to have copies of the backups in a fire safe, off-site location.

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    1. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Internet. A miracle of the 21st Century, providing high quality information and education to all, breaking down social barriers and creating a new info-democracy the likes of which our fathers could only dream about. Few would disagree that the Internet is a wonder of the modern world, and one of America's greatest contributions to science.

      However, as with all emergent technologies sooner or later, abuse by the uneducated masses causes the need for regulation to arise. As more people adopt a technology, the more likely that technology will be used by irresponsible individuals who try to spoil things for the rest of us.

      This is why the time has come to introduce licensing for Internet users.

      * Hunting
      * Fishing
      * Watching TV
      * Driving an automobile
      * Using a PC
      * Carrying a firearm
      * Building a house
      * Selling an alcoholic beverage
      * Staging a rock concert
      * Trading in securities
      * Developing software

      What do the activities listed above have in common ?

      The answer is that all are potentially dangerous activities for which one must obtain a license if one wishes to remain on the right side of the law.

      It is surprising to me that one potentially dangerous activity is conspicuously missing from the above list. We all accept without question the need for regulation where dangerous technologies are concerned (as the list clearly demonstrates). So why should the Internet be exempt ? What is so special about 0s and 1s travelling along a wire that makes us give it 'special treatment' ? Why should this important resource not enjoy the protection from abuse that regulation would undoubtably provide ?

      In the old days of the Internet, its usage was confined to academia, and the military. Back in those days, one could be fairly sure that Internet users were responsible citizens, who would not abuse their 'net access, after all our educators and defenders are people we knew we could trust.

      These days, with the explosive growth in Internet usage, it is impossible to control who goes online. Indeed, many Internet Service Providers (ISPs) market themselves on how 'easy to use' their service is. You are just as likely to find senior citizens, children, teenagers and housewives online these days, as you are to find a world class physicist or a military intelligence officer.

      As you would expect, with such a large number of uneducated people given unrestricted access to such a powerful tool, the results have not always been pleasant, and abuse has run rampant. You can find bomb making instructions, Islamic fundamentalist propaganda, pornography, hate sites, left wing and right wing extremism, pornography, fascism in all its different and elaborate disguises, Radical androphobic feminism, autism, pornography, questionable politics, pornography, blasphemy against Jesus, and yet more pornography.

      This is the mere tip of the iceberg, since the Internet is estimated to have as much as 100 Gigabytes of this kind of offensive material, and it is growing larger by the week, as more and more uneducated people rush to 'get online' so that they may 'surf the web' with their equally poorly-educated beer-swilling redneck buddies.

      As with all technologies, the Internet has matured to the point where regulation is not just desirable, it has become inevitable. You don't need to be Kreskin to predict that unless the Internet is regulated, and regulated quite heavily, it will soon collapse under the sheer weight of pointless traffic Britney Spears fan sites, uninteresting personal home pages and the extra load placed on the 'net infrastructure by illegal protocols such as Aimster Napster, Bearshare Gnutella and the like.

      As with automobil

    2. Re:Non-story? by sadness203 · · Score: 1

      Yeah... see, actually, government has the good habit of not having backup when they need to answer accountability question, fraud, etc.

      Some people might say they erase it by "accident".

      I think they are just careless with the data, or clueless, actually. So I would not be surprised.

    3. Re:Non-story? by taliesinangelus · · Score: 1

      Clearly you have not dealt with Virginia government departmental politics and their recent IT snafu. Hiring a defense contractor to do all your IT... I guess somebody thought it was a good idea.

    4. Re:Non-story? by medarby · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe or maybe not, but my guess is that they do. However, even if they did pay the ransom, the hacker will still release it into the wild to the highest bidder. VA only choice is not to pay the ransom and to notify all of their customers that their personal information is compromised.

    5. Re:Non-story? by Yvanhoe · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Ha ha ha ha ha !
      Wait ? You are serious ?

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    6. Re:Non-story? by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 1

      More like +1 Adequate

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    7. Re:Non-story? by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Funny

      Did you read the note? It's offering to sell the personal data

      ATTENTION VIRGINIA

      I have your shit! In *my* possession, right now, are 8,257,378 patient records and a total of 35,548,087 prescriptions. Also, I made an encrypted backup and deleted the original. Unfortunately for Virginia, their backups seem to have gone missing, too. Uhoh :(

      For $10 million, I will gladly send along the password. You have 7 days to decide. If by the end of 7 days, you decide not to pony up, I'll go ahead and put this baby out on the market and accept the highest bid. Now I don't know what all this shit is worth or who would pay for it, but I'm bettin' someone will. Hell, if I can't move the prescription data at the very least I can find a buyer for the personal data (name,age,address,social security #, driver's license #).

      Now I hear tell the Fucking Bunch of Idiots ain't fond of payin out, but I suggest that policy be turned right the fuck around. When you boys get your act together, drop me a line at hackingforprofit@yahoo.com and we can discuss the details such as account number, etc.

      Until then, have a wonderful day, I know I will ;)

      Sorry, Virginia, there's no Santa Claus.

      Maybe it's someone doing it for the lulz. After all, a REAL ransom note would have used either the evil MS-Comic font, font of ill will, or a genuine Ransom font.

    8. Re:Non-story? by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

      Obvious Troll is obvious.

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    9. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up, +1 Funny!

    10. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but the real problem is all the people's identities that are now on the open market.

      I wonder if Virginia will even notify everyone that is in the data.

    11. Re:Non-story? by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Even if that weren't the case.

      Sure should put a damper on people wanting a national central medical record database.

      Well, it would for reasonable people, but, that has nothing to do with politicians and agendas.

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    12. Re:Non-story? by Pederson · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      No. Just, no. Seriously, are you that much of a conforming zero that you strive for others to control even MORE aspects of your life? People have licenses for things such as driving because any idiot can jump into a car, and run over ten people. However, not any idiot can jump on a computer and deface a government hosted site/database. Also, I'm fairly certain you don't need a license to use a PC, watch/own TV, or develop software. Sad, so sad. Some people here have the right idea. Yeah, this guy is an idiot and he's doing wrong. However, ultimately good will come of this. Hopefully companies (and more importantly public services/data) will understand the need for security and seriously look at the field (which creates jobs for guys like me.. when I get out of school).

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    13. Re:Non-story? by afabbro · · Score: 1

      Did you read the note?

      No, every link from the WikiLeaks article seems Slashdotted ;-)

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    14. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The post you responded to was satire. Are you one of the people who thinks that The Onion is true, too? =)

    15. Re:Non-story? by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They don't need that data anyway. The only thing it's used for is to inform the DEA of people that might be abusing prescription drugs (yea, like Limbaugh). So, good riddance.

      The real issue is that the state (and all the others, BTW) is collecting all this personal information on their citizens and storing it in a database that is vulnerable to attack by identity thieves. It's one of the problems with all of these "citizen tracking" systems (like, for instance, Real ID). It's an unnecessary government intrusion that collects personal information for tracking its citizens, and providing them the ability to use citizens' own information against them. The excuse is always for "security". Well, you see now how good the government is at security.

      Just wait until they have all your health records in an electronic health record database. It'll be available to everyone, everywhere. Authorized personnel only, of course. Yea, right.

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    16. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if that weren't the case.

      Sure should put a damper on people wanting a national central medical record database.

      Well, it would for reasonable people, but, that has nothing to do with politicians and agendas.

      In Canada, which has 1/10 of population of the US, our health care system is run on a per-province basis. You get a health card from your provincial government, and present that in clinics and doctors' offices for billing purposes.

      I believe either the UK and/or France run things at a national level.

    17. Re:Non-story? by penguin_dance · · Score: 2, Funny

      Did you read the note? It's offering to sell the personal data.

      Who's going to want to buy it? I mean, it's a list of drug addicts--their CREDIT scores are going to suck!

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    18. Re:Non-story? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      Hurray! Now we just need some 200 countries and ungoverned territories to agree, hold your breath.

    19. Re:Non-story? by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know of anywhere where you need a licence to develop software.
      Using a PC doesn't require a licence, but the troll included it in the list in an attempt to prove his point.
      Watching TV, however, does require a licence in a number of countries.

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    20. Re:Non-story? by KingPin27 · · Score: 1

      an EMR (electronic Medical Record) isn't a bad thing it's just that the people who would create it would instantly put it up on some god forsaken website so people can hack into it and hold it for ransom. Imagine you needed urgent care but found out that your record was being held ransom because some idiot used the password SEXYGOD

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    21. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Pbo thinks digitizing all medical records and making doctors/clinics/hospitals abide by newly enacted laws to enforce conformity is a *good* idea.

      If $10M ransom sounds bad, wait until Medica/Blue Cross join the hackery and steal those records. They would then deny every sick person coverage based on illegally obtained medical records. Or even worse; the muslims or commies steal those records and tailor a biological attack on us based on our digital medical records.

      Black Flu Death Plague++ here we come!

    22. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    23. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a BIG Technical College in South Australia Thousands of students lost an entire mail server, years of data, including government stuff. No one even bothered and the pollies hid it from site.

    24. Re:Non-story? by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      I wonder if Virginia will even notify everyone that is in the data.

      How can they? They don't have the data to compile a list of compromised data.

      Unless they just notified everybody in the state....

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    25. Re:Non-story? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      surely, if there's ever a targetted list of people who are going to actually buy penis enlargement pills and anti-ageing wrinkle cream, this is it.

    26. Re:Non-story? by laura20 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course, this information is already tracked by private companies, and their information is just as vulnerable. Or didn't you read the original article, which noted that Express Scripts has had the same problem?

    27. Re:Non-story? by Jaysyn · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Are you saying you can't satirically troll someone, jackass AC?

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    28. Re:Non-story? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Hiring a defense contractor to do all your IT...

      I used to work for a large defense contractor that also did work for state governments. Maybe the reason we were so expensive is because we ran proper data centers, staffed 24x364 with operators to feed the tape silos and send and receive tapes off-site...

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    29. Re:Non-story? by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      No, the "tv license" isn't the same. You pay it, you can watch tv. It doesn't make you pass any kind of test prior to watching tv to make sure you "intelligent" enough to do so.

    30. Re:Non-story? by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      More like +1 Adequate

      For those of you not getting the reference, a link to the original posting of the GP from way back in 2002. It's even more hilarious with the links, even if most of them no longer exists, the name of the URLs adds to the humor of the satire.

      Enjoy!

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    31. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      staffed 24x364 with operators

      And, in typical government style, they decided that a year should be exactly 52 weeks long?

    32. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they switched to encrypted backups, and this whole story was made up as an excuse for forgetting the password.

    33. Re:Non-story? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Wait, are you saying the Onion isn't real? jebus, what's next? Are you going to tell me that the Weekly World Star is making stuff up also??

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    34. Re:Non-story? by dpilot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Who's going to want to buy it? I mean, it's a list of drug addicts--their CREDIT scores are going to suck!

      It's *Virginia*, for Pete's sake. Since I visited there a year ago, I remember driving through Arlington and Alexandria - two bedroom suburbs of Washington, DC. Obviously politicians would want to keep their problems out of such a database - heck, anyone would. Most probably some politicians, political workers, lobbyists, and such are among those 8 million names. Their credit scores won't suck, and they have more reason to keep their names hidden.

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    35. Re:Non-story? by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      any kind of test prior to watching tv to make sure you "intelligent" enough to do so.

      I don't think "intelligent" is the word you're looking for there.... ;)

      But I see your point.
      -Pay a fee, watch TV.
      -Pass a test, drive a car.

      Although with driver licensing standards around here, I don't really think there's much difference.
      "Turn left here." "Change lanes here." "Parallel park here."
      I could write a pushbutton computer program that could pass a local driver's test. There's no need to think at all, other than being able to (sort of) judge other cars' speed and distance.
      But even at that, being overly paranoid and not turning left across oncoming traffic when you've got room for 4 cars to get through won't fail you, because you're being "cautious and safe," as opposed to "an incompetent lunatic who shouldn't be allowed to drive a golf cart."

      In theory, they're not the same. In practice, they pretty much are.

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    36. Re:Non-story? by sorak · · Score: 1

      Seriously, are you that much of a conforming zero that you strive for others to control even MORE aspects of your life?

      The irony of that statement astounds me. The say what GP said on this forum is probably one of the most non-conformist things you can do.

    37. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also critical data for detecting patterns in drug interactions. And the government already has the other personal information. But I guess we won't let facts get in the way of an insane conspiracy theory.

    38. Re:Non-story? by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      No we don't need them to agree, we just cut the cord if they don't. Frankly I think we would be better off.

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    39. Re:Non-story? by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      A "tv tax".

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    40. Re:Non-story? by Nutria · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not everything is a sign of government incompetence. Sometimes it's just a case of everyone getting off Christmas Day.

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    41. Re:Non-story? by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      I have to agree this is really the only option.

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    42. Re:Non-story? by sorak · · Score: 1

      Backups are only half the equation. The other half is that sensitive and private data for a large segment of the population has now landed in the hands of just some guy. The privacy issue, and legal violation are equally important.

    43. Re:Non-story? by afabbro · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm assuming that not even a governmental department can be stupid enough not to have copies of the backups in a fire safe, off-site location.

      Wouldn't surprise me in the least, but not because it's the government. The problem is that every organization of any size has under-the-radar skunkworks IT projects. There's always some guy in a field office who doesn't like central IT (often with good reason), doesn't like bureacracy, has a slow link to the home office, etc. Sometimes he's an amateur computer buff as well.

      Next think you know, he's got a couple Gentoo boxes running under his desk with a MySQL + PHP app he's cooked up himself that his whole team is relying on. It works great (for them). Years go by and suddenly someone in central IT learns of it. They try to take it away and standardize it, but he goes to the business side and says "our customers will complain, they rely on it" and business tells IT to knock it off.

      Usually about then, one of three things happen:

      • The disk on the recycled Packard Bell desktop that's running the database eats itself and he loses all the data.
      • Someone in auditing gets a clue and raises holy hell about HIPPA, SOX, etc.
      • There's a break-in because he has lousy security.

      I've seen the above scenario in at least three large private firms. In this case, we're talking 10,000,000 records. That could live on someone's laptop or desktop. Central IT might not even know it exists. I could easily see someone office saying "we just got a grant for $5 million to study trends in prescriptions to look for abuse patterns, can you send over a disc with a data extract"? Hell, that might have happened ten years ago and it's been sitting on some share ever since, long forgotten.

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    44. Re:Non-story? by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Imagine a world like GATTACA where your medical records are visible to employers (either legally or via hacking), such that you cannot get a job because of a predisposition towards heart disease.

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    45. Re:Non-story? by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      That's the funny thing. This is a TRACKING database. Like when you get carded for OTC medication because there are "bad" uses for it. The people with their info in the database don't necessarily KNOW they're in the database. You just take your script to the pharmacy and they file the appropriate computer forms. YOU aren't supposed to know when that triggers so that they can prevent people "shopping" for multiple doctors to write scripts for the "bad" drugs.

      The information is useless to the state. They'd just make the pharmacies retype all the information back into it... it's not their dime.

      On the other hand the REAL goldmine is who's on what controlled drugs!!! Who's on pain killers, who's on anti-depressants, who's on experimental drugs for cancer... it's all in there!! This is STATE WIDE and most of the population of Virginia is right next to Washington DC, works in Washington DC... the possibilities for blackmail of private and public sector workers are endless. Somebody was really, really stupid to make a public threat.... they'll have all of DC after them to keep private medical information private.

    46. Re:Non-story? by MaggieL · · Score: 1

      If you think you don't need a license from the government to watch TV, you've never been to the UK.

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    47. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you make me get a license to get on the internet I swear to god I moving to Europe.

    48. Re:Non-story? by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      imagine a world where your healthcare isn't tied to your job....

      It's called most civilized countries other than the US.

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    49. Re:Non-story? by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      It's also critical data for detecting patterns in drug interactions. And the government already has the other personal information. But I guess we won't let facts get in the way of an insane conspiracy theory.

      But you aren't presenting facts - you're telling a lie. I'd assume you're a DEA agent trying to spread disinformation, but the DEA is very up-front about what the Prescription Drug Monitoring Program is used for, so that just makes you flamebait.

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    50. Re:Non-story? by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Uh, my healthcare is not tied to my job. It's my own private insurance. Anyway.....

      An employer is still less-likely to hire someone with a high risk of heart attack. That's essentially what the movie GATTACA is about, where a person's health history is just as important as his resume. Got a father or grandfather who had heart attacks? No job for you! They want an Adonis - a 100%-healthy employee who won't be calling-in sick every other month, or otherwise clocking lost time. This would be true even for European or Japanese corporations.

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    51. Re:Non-story? by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      Obviously you have never met the US gov. wait....i'll introduce you.
      Jane meet the Gov.
      Gov.....meet Jane!

    52. Re:Non-story? by Buelldozer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh boy, this is going to make me unpopular.

      Maybe developing software should require a license, or at least an independent review before it is released.

      Maybe connecting a computer to the internet should require a license, or at least an independent review of the users skill level.

      I promise I'm going to defend those two statements in just a bit.

      Here on /., and other tech oriented websites, I often see Internet access put into the same category as traditional utilities. People want it reliable, ubiqutious, interoperable, and as low cost as possible.

      Like a traditional utility it should be brought to as many people as possible because it can demonstrably increase people's quality of life.

      I also see a lot of people calling for Internet access to be regulated like a utility. As in "just sell the damn pipe and let companies provide service over it". Much like electrical, water, gas, cable, and telephone service.

      Here's the thing, all of those traditional utilities have interoperablity and safety standards. For instance you cannot connect your own natural gas service, electrical service, telephone service, or cable service to your home. Nor can you make your parts and have the relevant agencies use those when your home is connected to those utilities.

      The reason for this is that because it would be dangerous to do so and most people don't have a good idea of what it would take to engineer a solid gas expansion chamber, electric pole insulator, or the myriad of other gear it takes.

      The gear that is used must be designed by a PE (Professional Engineer) and submitted to an independent testing agency, frequently U.L., before it can be sold for those purposed.

      Why all of this designing and testing? Because it's DANGEROUS if you let the common man engineer his own stuff. It could, and would, negatively impact the reliability of the service for all users.

      So here we are. There are increasing numbers of voices asking for Internet access to be considered a traditional utility. Utility services can, and are, damaged, destroyed, and degraded when people who are ignorant or wilfully negligent attach and use unregistered, unlicensed, and untested gear on those utilities.

      Why should Internet access be any different? Why should software company XYZ be given a free pass when their $h1t software is attached to the Internet and allows the comprise of 8 million peoples prescription history?

      I don't like the idea of software developers requiring a license or independent testing of software. I don't like the idea on the hardware side either. It will lead to ridiculous restrictions and increased costs.

      However, if we agree that Internet access is an essential utility then we simply cannot allow every Tom, Dick, and Harry to use whatever crap software they want. We cannot allow these same people to hookup whatever hardware they want. We cannot allow a business to expose its records and data however it wants.

      There is too much at risk and the consequences of poor decisions are too often born by people who cannot control those decisions.

      I am now donning my asbestos suit. I know this idea is unpopular, but hopefully the parallel between the Internet as a utility and a traditional utility is strong enough to make some of you think. Even if you don't agree with me, and many of you won't, you have to agree that we have to do something.

    53. Re:Non-story? by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      Oh no - those pictures of alien babies are very terrifyingly real.

    54. Re:Non-story? by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      I could write a pushbutton computer program that could pass a local driver's test.

      Dude, DARPA wants to hear from you!

    55. Re:Non-story? by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      I agree, we need to do something.

      However, licensing software developers probably isn't it. At least, not in the fscked up way any political body would inevitably do it.

      If I write a small shell script for my computer to do backups automatically, do I need a licence? Do I need a licence if I give that same script to a friend to use?
      Selling commercial software, certainly should require a licence, if it came to that. But inevitably MS and other big players would lobby, and provide "valuable input" to the drafting of any such legislation, making the cost of licencing flat across the industry, so the $1,000,000+ a year fee would be peanuts for the established players, but completely shut out startups and small companies.

      How about this:

      There are plenty of people who can do everything right, follow every best practices guide, and lock down everything practical. But they can still get pwned, due to some unknown security hole in some piece of software they use.

      So, we let people do whatever they want, as that's the whole beauty of the Internet. But, if you have 8 million records compromised, you'd better be damned sure you were following best practices. If you weren't, you should be financially liable for anything that comes from the breach.

      If you were following best practices, and can prove it, then the software vendor that had the security hole should be financially liable for at least part of what happens. Unless they can show you were using their software for something not recommended, or in an improper manner, in which case it comes back to you again.

      That would probably have the effect of reducing some of the "This software is not recommended for any purpose. If you use it at all, it's on your own head," type of EULAs, too. If it came down to this, some people (not all, as there are still idiots) would avoid software which was not recommended for anything, and start paying more attention to the fine print, rather than the advertising BS.

      When it's your ass that's on the line, you can't get away with "Nobody got fired for buying Microsoft."

      Would this lead to a lot of finger pointing, and nothing being done? It could, if not done properly. And there would always be the situations where nobody could figure out how the breach occurred, so there's no way to tell who's responsible. But this isn't any worse than what we've got now, and it's the worst case scenario.

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    56. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems they're stupid enough to run an outdated version of a system known to be buggy on a critical server.

      So I wouldn't be too sure.

    57. Re:Non-story? by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about those robotic driving challenges. They'd actually be harder than a driver's test.

      Think about it:
      A driving test requires you to follow simple directions while not crashing into anything. They won't ask you to do anything dangerous, illegal, or stupid.

      DARPA challenge requires the robot to plan it's route, negotiate around obstacles, figure out what's dangerous and what isn't, and act accordingly, all the while trying to make good time.

      The first is easy for a computer program. The hell as if I could write a program to do the second, but an awful lot of human drivers can't do it, either, so I don't feel so bad about my programming skills...

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    58. Re:Non-story? by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      If the privacy and surveillance laws here in Germany (or England for that matter) get any worse, I swear to god I'm moving to the States. :P

      (Read: This shit is everywhere, alas.)

    59. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An employer is still less-likely to hire someone with a high risk of heart attack. That's essentially what the movie GATTACA is about, where a person's health history is just as important as his resume. Got a father or grandfather who had heart attacks? No job for you! They want an Adonis - a 100%-healthy employee who won't be calling-in sick every other month, or otherwise clocking lost time. This would be true even for European or Japanese corporations.

      Right.

      And what percentage of the population have no genetic risk factor for heart attack, or stroke, or diabetes, or alzheimer's, or parkinson's, or a host of other diseases.

      Or have no behavioral risk factors like eating meat, or smoking, or drinking, or using drugs, or not exercising.

      I'd say this guaranteed 100% healthy employee is a myth.

    60. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can find bomb making instructions, Islamic fundamentalist propaganda, pornography, hate sites, left wing and right wing extremism, pornography, fascism in all its different and elaborate disguises, Radical androphobic feminism, autism, pornography, questionable politics, pornography, blasphemy against Jesus, and yet more pornography.

      This is the mere tip of the iceberg, since the Internet is estimated to have as much as 100 Gigabytes of this kind of offensive material, and it is growing larger by the week

      Only 100 Gigabytes?

    61. Re:Non-story? by blueZ3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...you cannot connect your own natural gas service, electrical service, telephone service, or cable service to your home.

      You can't install cable yourself because you have to connect to the distribution box owned by the cable provider. But actually, when my dad used to do phone installs, he would run the final run to the phone dist box and punch down the wires, as I recall.

      You can do pretty much everything except the final cutover when installing gas and electric (including pulling the wires from your home's main panel to the vault) and the same is true for gas--but the cutover requires shutting off the electricity/gas of other users and the danger of actual physical harm, something that's not present with computers.

      Somehow I (and most non-techies I know) find arguments that try and create a parallel between death by third degree burns and getting malware on a PC quite a bit less than compelling.

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    62. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have your shit! In *my* possession, right now, are 8,257,378 patient records and a total of 35,548,087 prescriptions. Also, I made an encrypted backup and deleted the original. Unfortunately for Virginia, their backups seem to have gone missing, too. Uhoh :(

      His grammar is all messed up. On one hand he is writing to "Virginia". On the other hand, he is writing to the public. But would he send his email address to the general public? Does he really want a long, drawn-out email communication over a Yahoo mailbox?

      Does he really know that the machine isn't backed up on any schedule? Does he really think a fellow scammer would pay for a boatload of SSNs when they likely can get them for free through other sources?

      This is either stupidity or a hoax. I suspect both, actually.

    63. Re:Non-story? by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Survey says ? WHOOSH!

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    64. Re:Non-story? by Buelldozer · · Score: 1

      :::snort:::

      We're not talking about malware on a PC. We're discussing the impending release of personal details of 8+ million citizens. That is 8 million citizens who will suddenly be at extreme risk of identity theft. Identity theft that will require hundreds of hours of their time to undo.

      You're attempting to diminish the parallel by selecting the mildest case outcome. You're failing at that too though because that malware riddled PC is botnet member, being used to degrade and destruct things father down the chain.

      Also, your dad was not opening the phone company's curbside and connecting to it. Nor was he doing that for cable television. He's also not connecting to the transformer for electricity, the water stub, the sewer stub, nor the NG stub. Those boxes are locked and restricted to employees. Contractors are sometimes allowed to work with them but only when the work is inspected and certified by either a code enforcement officer or a representative of the company.

      The rest of your comment is analagous to building your own internal network (lan). Yes, that can and should be allowed. It's where your edge meets the rest of the utility grid that the regulations kick in.

    65. Re:Non-story? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Do you *know* it isn't used for that purpose?

      I've got a conspiracy theory about it to...one based on one of Parkinson's laws. It goes "When someone's hired to manage the doing of something, he's likely to expand his job to cover anything he can make seem related, in order to justify hiring more subordinate to manage."

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    66. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Breathing is dangerous, as you so valuably prove.

    67. Re:Non-story? by TDO48 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Following the same line of thought - and a topic that I've been discussing with a few friends and colleagues lately - why is it that the ultimate responsibility, that of creating life... concretely reproducing oneself... is not also regulated. With all the potential for abuse, improper raising, dangers and challenges....

    68. Re:Non-story? by blueZ3 · · Score: 1

      You're still equating something that's an inconvenience (ID theft) with physical harm.

      And I've worked as an electrician, so I think I have a pretty good idea what's involved in getting wires into the vault--hint: pretty much any competent company does this work themselves and only relies on utility workers for putting the split-bolts and scotchfil on.

      Of course, yours is the traditional take of elitists: computers are too complicated and dangerous to be left in the hands of the great unwashed. We must have a certification and licensing scheme to drive up wages and an association (like the ABA or AMA) to prevent accountability.

      No thanks.

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    69. Re:Non-story? by snaz555 · · Score: 1

      I'm assuming that not even a governmental department can be stupid enough not to have copies of the backups in a fire safe, off-site location.

      This is no guarantee against datajacking. No one keeps their backups forever. If I know the retention policy is one year, then after I break in I make sure to install something, like an encrypting driver, that makes tapes and disks look fine for backup/restore - until I remove the key. I then wait a year until all backups currently retained are polluted. Then I pull the plug and make my demand. I can even do it by trigger, so when the first polluted backup is the oldest in the set the key is automatically wiped, immediately putting every bit they own on wrote from any of the infected servers up for ransom. This way, all the network traces, addresses, etc, available to track me down would also be a year old.

    70. Re:Non-story? by Toonol · · Score: 1

      Is software speech? It can be copyrighted.

      If the answer is yes, even a maybe yes, licensing should be absolutely off the table.

    71. Re:Non-story? by powerlord · · Score: 1

      Do you *know* it isn't used for that purpose?

      I've got a conspiracy theory about it to...one based on one of Parkinson's laws. It goes "When someone's hired to manage the doing of something, he's likely to expand his job to cover anything he can make seem related, in order to justify hiring more subordinate to manage."

      See: Regulate Interstate Commerce

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    72. Re:Non-story? by malkir · · Score: 1

      *WOOOOSH*

    73. Re:Non-story? by thejynxed · · Score: 1

      I concur...when I worked for IBM, our contract with the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania allowed me to work in one of the main datacenters. If Virginia's was anything even remotely similar, these yahoos did not delete all of the backups. Not even close. The data is kept on redundant tape cartridges (and reel to reel tapes). There is no single server to break into. The operations systems are not linked to the public internet. At best, they could have broken into the "card catalog" of the tape library.

      Typically these were IBM machines running Windows 2000 and NT4 w/Samba. THOSE had a public-facing connection to the internet (mainly to access the IBM website). All those machines really did, was post to overhead displays which batch jobs were running and what tapes should be fetched and loaded into which machines. They had no direct server access, and could not manipulate any data contained on those tapes.

      The big iron in that datacenter was a bunch of IBM and Sun machines (AS/400, Sparc, etc).

      Lockheed Martin even had their own room in the same datacenter.

      So I guess what I am saying is, I think at best, these jokers defaced the web portal (example: irs.gov), and not the actual data.

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    74. Re:Non-story? by Lockblade · · Score: 1

      This is one of the best trolls I've seen since Lunix was outed as a hacking program and Quake was used as an underground hacker training tool.

    75. Re:Non-story? by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      you do have the one advantage in that you can change jobs without worrying about healthcare issues, this is true.

      But your healthcare *is* tied to your job in the sense that without your job, you wouldn't be able to pay it.

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    76. Re:Non-story? by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      (sigh). You weren't listening. This would be true even for European or Japanese corporations, because given the choice between a healthy person and a person with history of heart disease, they'll want the healthy person. The healthy person will be there 5 days a week doing his job, instead of taking sick days.

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    77. Re:Non-story? by sjames · · Score: 1

      That's one reason backups might not be there. Another is when each department does it's own and some genius figures out "the scam".

      The backup people try to make you buy a bunch of tapes, but he's too smart for that. He knows that if when the tape ejects if you just push it back it, it'll put the whole backup on just one tape.

    78. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's even more hilarious with the links,

      True. Gotta love the ones linking to Slashdot.

    79. Re:Non-story? by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      Neither were you ;-) You don't have healthcare if you can't pay for it. So your healthcare is tied to your having *a* job at the very least. That was my point.



      Employers already can and do choose people they think will be more likely to show up reliably, I don't argue that. As to whether they will hire people with or prone to serious illness, well that's discrimination. You can't *know* they will get something and if someone is actually sick enough it becomes perfectly reasonable to let them go and hire someone else. (yes there are multitudes of lawsuits on both sides of this issue). What's not reasonable is to reject someone based on risks they can't control; this is the central issue I think, that people have a right to healthcare regardless of circumstance - so make it national or mandate that employers *have* to provide basic coverage while the gov't absorbs the extra risks (how I won't claim to know).

      Currently though, the employer is also on the hook for increased medical costs and premiums, even cancellation in extreme cases. That's a lot different than just trying to decide that Joe Schmo will give you 40 hours a week or not.

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    80. Re:Non-story? by QuestorTapes · · Score: 1

      > Maybe developing software should require a license, or at least an independent review
      > before it is released.

      Independent review is not something that the "intellectual property" types would tolerate. Consider how hard voting machine makers, the firms working on DRM, and all those "enterprisey" app makers fight to -prevent- any review.

      As far as licensing goes, my big objection is that as things stand now, the folks granting the licenses would be the same folks I mentioned above. The lawmakers requiring licensing won't talk to the professional bodies that actually have standards; they'll grab the guy who's a friend of a friend. Someone whose knowledge of code begins and ends with a course in Dartmouth BASIC a couple of decades ago.

      You bring up some real problems; I don't have the solutions, but I don't think licensing is either.

    81. Re:Non-story? by maxume · · Score: 1

      Microsoft makes a good bit of money selling software to people who make software, I wouldn't make any strong assumptions about what they would lobby for.

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    82. Re:Non-story? by JohnVanVliet · · Score: 1

      well i am with you .there should be a min. knowledge level / skill level to be on the net . dumb stupid things will always happen , but they DO NOT need to be the norm.

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    83. Re:Non-story? by ogl_codemonkey · · Score: 1

      So, as a utility, you think the Internet should be usable by anyone, for anything; but you'd need a licensed 'engineer' to come over and plug your xDSL modem into the wall socket? Would there also be the need to give them an admin account on all your systems to make sure they were properly locked down, with firewalls and self-updating anti-virus?

      I think this 'utility' analogy has fallen apart enough, now. All the above examples require licensing for installation, not usage. Once my other utilities are installed to the premises, there's nothing to stop me throwing the phone and a hairdryer in a big pot of water and trying to boil them down while they're plugged in.

      After the physical risk to my neighborhood is mitigated, I can do all sorts of unsafe things with my own equipment.

      There's also nothing stopping me from plugging malicious devices into the power point to send damaging HF interference along the lines, or connecting a compressor to the gas or water pipes and slowly blowing air down the pipes. It's a bad idea, and I could expect to be caught... perhaps that's the difference?

    84. Re:Non-story? by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Microsoft makes a good bit of money selling software to people who make software, I wouldn't make any strong assumptions about what they would lobby for.

      And in the EULA for their development products is a clause stating you cannot use it to develop anything remotely resembling an office suite, or anything resembling an operating system.

      Don't know whether it's still there or not, but it was for a long time.

      So..."Go ahead and develop software, but if you dare to compete with us....."

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    85. Re:Non-story? by TheReaperD · · Score: 1

      You're still equating something that's an inconvenience (ID theft) with physical harm.

      Actually, I think that there are a lot of people that would rather deal with a broken arm, electrical burns and temporally burning off all their hair than deal with ID theft. You get more support for societies infrastructures for one. You can go the the hospital for all of the other items. For ID theft, you call your bank and they say they have to [fill in blanks, varies by country/state] by law but, other than that, sorry sucker! Call the police and they'll look at you funny, say "fill out this paperwork" which they promptly put in a bottom drawer where it never leaves. Call the credit reporting agencies, they'll say "if you want us to actually monitor your credit for activity, it'll cost $XX.XX", if you object, then they'll say "ok, here's your free credit report as required by law" (in the US) and call this number to lock your credit" (thus locking everything, not just malicious activity).

      ID theft, in this day and age, can do as much or more harm than the other activities mentioned. It can even lead to death, albeit by other means.

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    86. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All hail .NET, the most secure platform on the internet!!!

    87. Re:Non-story? by Buelldozer · · Score: 1

      That's the difference. There are real penalties, both civil and criminal, if you degrade or destruct the service / utility for other uses.

      Those penalties are what we are missing for the Internet utility.

    88. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully companies (and more importantly public services/data) will understand the need for security

      Most everyplace does understand the need for security. But in general, IT staff are overworked and often short staffed and things get overlooked. All it takes is to be late on installing one patch and your whole network could get owned.

      I absolutely understand the need for security but I am already working 60+ hours a week and am way overstressed and I know I miss things. It sucks but that isn't ever going to change. That is just the nature of IT.

    89. Re:Non-story? by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      You don't get it. If your health history is available, the employers will use it to screen-out sick people before they even get hired. Go. Watch. Gattaca. Available on isohunt.com. It's the only way you will truly comprehend what I'm saying about employers using health to discriminate against employees. Having this information on websites is a bad idea.

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    90. Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure how much time you spend with pornography. My experience is that people which get upset about it most spend most time with it...And on my side I'm happy to live in a country with free speech and free opinion (well more or less and not just on paper...).
      If you feel that the internet is so evil because the masses can use it you should build up your VLAN with your "oh so elite and pure" buddies and happily "internet" away about safe subjects which do not offend anybody participating....
      Not saying that I find that the "internet" is developing into only the right direction, however I still feel that it gave our society a huge opportunity, what it does with it is another subject. If anything the "internet" is reflecting our society...
      You can regulate what you want, there will always be abuse!!!

      <sarcasm>And yes back in the good ol' days there was of course no abuse of computer systems - and Elvis is alive...

      In any case I feel truely enlightened that these wonderful db operators know how to perform basic operations.</sarcasm>

    91. Re:Non-story? by dmmiller2k · · Score: 1

      No, WATCHING TV still requires no license, if you watch someone else's TV. A license is only required if you *OWN* a TV, unless you keep it in the box and never use it.

      Don't you ever watch Monty Python reruns?

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  2. email address as contact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why would the "cyber-terrorist" post an email address as the ransom contact? Isn't he/she just going to get spammed now?

    1. Re:email address as contact by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why would the "cyber-terrorist" post an email address as the ransom contact? Isn't he/she just going to get spammed now?

      I don't know, why don't you send hackingforprofit@yahoo.com an e-mail and ask them?

      Oops, did I just post hackingforprofit@yahoo.com without obfuscating it? Here, let me fix that:

      hackingforprofit(at)yahoo(dot)com

      My apologies to hackingforprofit@yahoo.com if this results in an increase of SPAM.

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    2. Re:email address as contact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Damn you! My mailbox is FULL with SPAM!!

    3. Re:email address as contact by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      Are you implying that this is all an elaborate plot for him to make his crown jewels longer by a couple more inches to the increased satisfaction of desirable women everywhere? And may I add, with no injections or surgery?

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    4. Re:email address as contact by flonker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dear Sir/Madam,

      I am fine today and how are you? I hope this letter will find you in the best of health. I am Joe Fitz, and I recently hacked the "Virginia Department of Health Professionals". They have paid me a ransom of $10,000,000 (TEN MILLION DOLLARS). However, this balance of US$10,000,000.00 has been secured in form of Credit/Payment to a foreign contractor, hence we wish to transfer into your bank account as the beneficiary of the fund. We have also arrived at a conclusion that you will be given 20% of the total sum transferred as our foreign partner, while 5% will be reserved for incidental expenses that both parties will incur in the course of actualizing this transaction, and the balance of 75% will be kept for the committee members. ...

    5. Re:email address as contact by powerlord · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hmm perhaps if we contacted the people at hackingforprofit@yahoo.com then they could answer some questions? Perhaps they could even be the next "Ask Slashdot"?

      I could see it now:

      "Slashdot: Post your questions for the hackingforprofit@yahoo.com group! The top five will be sent in, and hopefully answered in an anonymous fashion."

      Q: 5) Are you idiots?
      A: Well ... I DO live in Virginia, and worked for a local IT dept. Since they had a security break-in, on a system I was responsible for, I'd say yes.

      Q: 4) What were you thinking?
      A: My XBox 360 had just RRoD and I thought to myself, "Self, what is a quick way for me to make enough cash to never have to worry about replacing my 360 again?" I figure $10M should just about do it.

      Q: 3) Are you really expecting anyone to pay?
      A: Well ... why wouldn't they? What do you know that I don't?

      Q: 2) What sort of precautions are you taking to keep the FBI from tracking you down via a secret cookie, javascript subroutine or 0 pixel image embedded in your Yahoo mail?
      A: A what? Now wait a minute ...

      Q: 1) How long do you really expect to get away with this?
      A: Lets go back to that last question for a minute? What are you talking about? I just use Internet Explorer. It even has the latest patches from MS.

      [bing-bong] One sec. I'll finish this up right after I get the front door.

      [crash] THIS IS FBI! ON THE GROUND NOW!

      $s#@3g*(&)f*@3#^NO CARRIER

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    6. Re:email address as contact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've always wondered why people who get busted by the FBI use speech-to-text interfaces over modem...

    7. Re:email address as contact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for your reply! Out of all these brianics and their theory's, you're the only one that came up with looking into his free email acct, one which would be quite easy to track down one's ip address and thus track down this scumbag.
      He'll be caught within a week.
      This guy is clearly an amatuer. Real hackers don't publicly flaunt their crimes. The ones that do are the ones that get caught. Period.

  3. Sounds like an inside job. by tjstork · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would be more than willing to bet that the attacker works in some way for the State of Virginia. The phrasing "gone missing" makes him sound like he's from somewhere in the United Kingdom... so now you are looking for English, Irish, Scottish or perhaps Indian guys working for the state of Virginia...

    A voice tempts - gee, if we could do FISA wiretaps, perhaps a quick search of all the electronic correspondence of all the people who work(ed) for the state might turn up who it is...

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    1. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

      The phrasing "gone missing" makes him sound like he's from somewhere in the United Kingdom...

      Yes, but the phrase "Now I hear tell" indicates Virginia! What a conundrum! This case will never be cracked! The full note text for those too lazy to click through wikileaks:

      ATTENTION VIRGINIA

      I have your shit! In *my* possession, right now, are 8,257,378 patient records and a total of 35,548,087 prescriptions. Also, I made an encrypted backup and deleted the original. Unfortunately for Virginia, their backups seem to have gone missing, too. Uhoh :(

      For $10 million, I will gladly send along the password. You have 7 days to decide. If by the end of 7 days, you decide not to pony up, I'll go ahead and put this baby out on the market and accept the highest bid. Now I don't know what all this shit is worth or who would pay for it, but I'm bettin' someone will. Hell, if I can't move the prescription data at the very least I can find a buyer for the personal data (name,age,address,social security #, driver's license #).

      Now I hear tell the Fucking Bunch of Idiots ain't fond of payin out, but I suggest that policy be turned right the fuck around. When you boys get your act together, drop me a line at hackingforprofit@yahoo.com and we can discuss the details such as account number, etc.

      Until then, have a wonderful day, I know I will ;)

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    2. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by hey! · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ah, Watson, but notice this curious "Fucking Bunch of Idiots". A Frenchman or Russian could not have written that. It is the German who is so uncourteous to his nouns.

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    3. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      No doubt a reference to the FBI.

    4. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Funny

      perhaps Indian guys working for the state of Virginia...

      Well, at least that means that Macaca has discovered the real world of Virginia ;)

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    5. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Xest · · Score: 1

      The language of the whole threat makes it sound like he's about 8 years old, so using that logic we should also be looking for an 8 year old.

      I'm not sure how two words, "gone missing" indicate being from the UK. I'm pretty sure many people speaking English worldwide who aren't British have used those two words in that way before.

    6. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is. I am guessing this is going to be somebody who is a rougue NSA agent(s). They are going to know the FULL capabilities of our ability to spy. Even the email is a joke. I am betting that they are SENDING emails there for the FBI to read. As to picking Virgina, SMART move. Most of congress lives there. Senators, etc. And most are old and fat (i.e. need drugs and are idiots).

    7. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by corsec67 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The language of the whole threat makes it sound like he's about 8 years old, so using that logic we should also be looking for an 8 year old.

      Or someone from Virginia?

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    8. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ingenious!

    9. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Kokuyo · · Score: 1

      Or it might have been a jab at the FBI that you have thoroughly missed... Or I just missed YOUR joke ;).

    10. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      starting a sentence with "hell" and dropping the g off of betting and describing the data as "this baby" makes it sound like "good ol' boy" style american to me. I'm english and it's affectatious to use those colloquialisms over here.

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    11. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Darth_brooks · · Score: 1

      Yeah, quite the master hacker they seem to have on their hands.

      Anyone wanna lay odds as to how long it takes for him to get caught? Ten bucks bucks says the state responds to that e-mail with a 1x1 transparent gif in the message, and nails this uber-genius at a Starbucks.

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    12. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So when they ask for his bank details...they can trace him down in some way. I doubt someone who goes for one states database is likely to have half a brain rather than taking several...doubt he has it all planned..

    13. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Culture20 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hmm. Here we have a serious security breach but the details are so sketchy we're resorting to ethnic humour and the finer points of grammar to fill in the time. Allow me to offer up my guesses as to what Really Happened(TM): The server was recently migrated to Windows Vista from RedHat, the hackers were Chinese nationals who coordinated their actions using Hotmail accounts, and needed funding for the Virgina health department IT department was cut by Republicans in the stimulus bill. Discuss.

      But Republicans weren't cutting spending recently, only taxes.

    14. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by jotok · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Trivial for FBI to get a warrant for the guy's login details from Yahoo.

      Of course, if he's using TOR, then they're hosed.

    15. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by T+Murphy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...why did he tell them he will put the info on the black market? Virginia paying him off doesn't deprive him of the data, so he can sell the info anyways- alerting people to the risk will devalue the information, and in the event he gets caught they have another charge to follow up on. Sure, the average person might react to the threat, but he knows the FBI will be called up, and they have plenty of experience with threats like this I would assume.

    16. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Metasquares · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If I can find a corpus of geographically labeled text documents, I'll run a few text mining algorithms on the letter and see what pops up (yes, your writing can now give away things that you never thought possible, at least probabilistically).

      Apparently the author likely has an ESTJ personality in the Myers-Briggs system and is probably male.

    17. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ten bucks bucks says the state responds to that e-mail with a 1x1 transparent gif in the message, and nails this uber-genius at a Starbucks.

      I'll take that bet. Even my grandma knows to set her email client to plain-text only. Also, Y!Mail is accessible (albeit clumsily) via Lynx - GIF/Boobytrap avoided.

    18. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 4, Interesting

      FBI will set up a covert action obviously. They will pretend to be someone with the highest bid who wants to buy it. They will pay, then follow the money trail, then revert the bank transfer, just like you do with your credit cards.

      Or something similar to that.

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    19. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Aah... so the perpetrator has English, Scottish, Irish and German forefathers - and he lives in Virginia.
      This should be an easy case to crack.

    20. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Chlorine+Trifluoride · · Score: 1

      The language of the whole threat makes it sound like he's about 8 years old, so using that logic we should also be looking for an 8 year old.

      Or someone from Virginia?

      Someone from REAL Virginia.

    21. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > The phrasing "gone missing" makes him sound like he's from somewhere in the United Kingdom

      Not necessarily. We say "gone missing" in Ohio.

      But yes, employees of the victim organization are the first people you investigate.

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    22. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if yahoo was in with the fbi, he'd just use TOR. If he was smart.

    23. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That might have worked in the 19th century, Holmes, but today it is fairly acceptable English, in certain quarters, to routinely noun verbs and to verb nouns. It's also possible that the odd capitalization has some significance that might be lost on a fictional character from the 19th century who has likely escaped from the holodeck and employed a time machine in order to post here.

      It's all quite logical, really.

    24. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      But, he's an idiot.

      He should have asked for the $10 million in cash, using unmarked small bills..... :)

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    25. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod this up I meant to cut him down there too.

    26. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by magbottle · · Score: 1

      The phrasing "gone missing" makes him sound like he's from somewhere in the United Kingdom...

      And "uhoh" is not hyphenated. Hmmmmm.........

    27. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by AndrewNeo · · Score: 1

      If he's smart enough to steal the database, he's probably smart enough to proxy when creating/using that account.

    28. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by hey! · · Score: 1

      German Capitalization, my dear Boy.

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    29. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Kierthos · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a reference to the Sherlock Holmes story "The Bohemian Scandal", wherein, Holmes explains to Watson that the note that he (Holmes) has received was written by a German, based on the sentence structure.

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    30. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by mewsenews · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Leaking the entire database to identity thieves is part/most/all of the hacker's threat if the ransom is not delivered. If the database is lost and they have to start from scratch -- big deal. If the database is lost AND in the hands of well paying criminals -- uh oh.

    31. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by BigGar' · · Score: 1

      Hum, $10M in small unmarked bills.
      Lets assume you mean 20's, the largest bill most people carry around. $10M is 500,000 bills. Now its about 454 bills per lbs so we're looking at 1101.32lbs of money. Can't just grab a suit case and run off with it can you? For comparison then for 50's you need 200,000 or 440.5lbs & 100's 100,000 of them for 220.25lbs. None of these are simple to transport without a vehicle.

      I'm not even going to bother with figuring an even split of 1's 5's & 10's.

      Oh, alright, I will:
      Here's an even split by bill count:
      One would need 625,000 of each bill; 1, 5 & 10 to get to $10M or 1.875M bills which weighs 3955lbs.

      If you wanted an equal value for the lowest three denominations which would be ~$3.3M of each denomination which works out to ~4.33M bills or 9544.8lbs. Though you'd need to substitute an extra fiver for half of a ten since it won't quite divide up evenly like this.

      In a nutshell though, cash for this kind of transaction would be a tad unwieldy unless you went with 100's even then its not easy to carry around for most people. A wire transaction is the way to go and ass soon as the money is there start moving it around splitting it up in various ways to hide the trail, etc.

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    32. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by nanamin · · Score: 1

      More than likely he will have them send the money via Western Union over the course of a bunch of transfers and pick it up with a fake ID or several, from a (the stupid, less secure way) from many random and differing locations, OR use WMZ or another digital currency, bounce it around via several accounts, have it cashed out in a random east european/asian county, convert it to a different currency, and then deposit it into an offshore bank account of some sort.

      There are plenty of secure and anonymous ways to transfer money. I'm sure he's not stupid enough to do a direct bank transfer using a legit bank or have them give him probably marked paper money.

    33. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Just out of curiosity, did you happen to see that ":)" at the end of my post?

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    34. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by HiThere · · Score: 1

      And, especially, recently ex- employees.

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    35. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And notice he used the phrase 'Your Fort Knox', and he stuttered when pressed."

    36. Re:Sounds like an inside job. by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      You don't need to put it all in one bag. Four 55lb bags isn't that difficult to manage.. many people handle much more when traveling (or used to, before the increased baggage fees).

      The thing that makes using physical currency stupid is not how unwieldy it might be, but obtaining it through untraceable means. Much better to have it wired to a bank that won't give out information to anyone, and then have it transferred several more times.

      Although if I were the FBI, I'd be bribing, er "rewarding", anyone and everyone with information along the way, because setting a precedent of you *will* get caught is more important than the money. It would be especially poetic to offer a reward of $10M to anyone with evidence that puts him away.

  4. Deleted all the backups??? by Nutria · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't these jackasses know what Iron Mountain is, and what tape drives are for???????

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    1. Re:Deleted all the backups??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't these jackasses know what Iron Mountain is, and what tape drives are for???????

      They do know...now.

    2. Re:Deleted all the backups??? by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope.

      and here's somethign that will scare you.

      MOST Companies don't know what iron mountain is and what tape drives are for. a bulk of companies and corporations have incredible jokes they call their backup system/policy.

      They spend more on the CEO's toilet than they do on data security and integrity.

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    3. Re:Deleted all the backups??? by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

      Our company uses Iron Mountain. Every morning at 5am when I come to work, there's a locked box of tapes in the custody of a minimum wage building security officer waiting for the pickup.

      Now THERE's security...

    4. Re:Deleted all the backups??? by IsThisNickTaken · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since all the backup data in encrypted, then what's the problem?

    5. Re:Deleted all the backups??? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      all the backup data in encrypted

      Our backup data isn't encrypted (how many hackers have Alpha OpenVMS servers with tons of disk space and lots of tape drives in their basement, plus RDBMSs that cost $25,000 per CPU?), but the tapes are in secure lock boxes.

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    6. Re:Deleted all the backups??? by Tenser234 · · Score: 1

      Companies used to do backups, disk to disk to tape. Source, to repository, to tape. With Data domains and products like CommVault, a lot of people are now doing disk to disk to off site disk array. We can take and put ~1 year of continuous nightly backups on a data domain, and have it instantly retrievable.

    7. Re:Deleted all the backups??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hurray for Security through Obscurity! Of course it is overlaid with physical security but that's besides the point.

    8. Re:Deleted all the backups??? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      We can take and put ~1 year of continuous nightly backups on a data domain, and have it instantly retrievable.

      Are these tiny incremental filesystem backups?

      We'd have to restore a few TB of database, and the bandwidth requirements would be too onerous for the occasional bursts needed. Anyway, we could set up "hot standby" databases, but the cost is higher than what the clients want to pay for.

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    9. Re:Deleted all the backups??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes...we do know of Iron Mountain, however the programs chose to negotiate the price payout of the contract to not include Iron Mountain Tape Backup services since it would've run them a cool $3.68M, a hard pill to swallow for something being bought with Citizen tax funds. lol

  5. Backup? by wondercool · · Score: 4, Funny

    Luckily Of course a backup was made every hour. .. Oh what? Did not run backup for 3 weeks? Went fishing?

    1. Re:Backup? by SystematicPsycho · · Score: 1

      It's funny because it's true.

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    2. Re:Backup? by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they deleted the backups. They broke into the Iron Mountain facility, found the correct LTO-4 tapes, and burned them? Or was the State of Virginia negligent and didn't really *have* backups? A copy on a nearline array is nice, but it's not sufficient as a disaster recovery plan.

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  6. inside job? by rhendershot · · Score: 1, Redundant

    This sounds like an insider attack as there are just too many coincidences. Backups gone missing, many sites hacked, demand for millions of dollars (pay to whom?!), etc. No wonder every information request is referred to the FBI.

  7. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, What about the off-site secure backups?
    What? Some PHB didn't want to spend the money, I though it was a waste.

  8. Shouldn't be hard to re-create by Skraut · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...since Virginia is for Lovers. The hardest part will be determining weather their prescription was for C1A1iS or V1AGR4

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    1. Re:Shouldn't be hard to re-create by forand · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      How is this insightful? Funny maybe but not insightful.

    2. Re:Shouldn't be hard to re-create by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      weather their prescription was for C1A1iS or V1AGR4

      Partly cloudy with a chance of boners?

    3. Re:Shouldn't be hard to re-create by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Well, what else are you going to do when it's raining?

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    4. Re:Shouldn't be hard to re-create by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      This is Slashdot. If you can't get the answer in one guess.... ;-)

  9. Proper backup procedures by Ender_Stonebender · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hopefully the state of Virginia follows proper backup procedures, and has a copies of the data that are off-site and off-line. It may take a day or so for someone to go fetch the tapes, but the data shouldn't be lost. So the people trying to ransom this data should be screwed.

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    1. Re:Proper backup procedures by Shrike82 · · Score: 1

      It's not totaly impossible that whoever is responsible managed to disrupt the back-up procedure. They sound fairly confident that the backups won't work. Perhaps they managed to intercept the treansmission of the backup data, or destroy or steal the physical media that the backups are stored on.

      I've seen quite a few companies that store their backups on tapes which are just put on a shelf - and while you'd hope that a governmental body would be more responsible, we've all seen the monumental blunders such as leaving laptops, memory keys etc. in public places.

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    2. Re:Proper backup procedures by Swizec · · Score: 1

      Actually it doesn't really matter whether the backups exist or not, someone WILL pay large amounts of money for all that personal information. Whom, I don't know, but there's bound to be someone out there.

      Hell, it could just be bought by someone to cause a political scandal over "data loss", then create a large "data protection for governments" corporation and use this incident to gain clients.

    3. Re:Proper backup procedures by FTWinston · · Score: 1

      They sound fairly confident that the backups won't work.

      Of course he's confident, didn't you see the size of his e-peen?

    4. Re:Proper backup procedures by vlm · · Score: 1

      It's not totaly impossible that whoever is responsible managed to disrupt the back-up procedure. They sound fairly confident that the backups won't work. Perhaps they managed to intercept the treansmission of the backup data, or destroy or steal the physical media that the backups are stored on.

      I've had to set up backup systems like this. I have a better imagination, so I found several more problems I was able to avoid in my actual deployed systems.

      No need for such complicated mission impossible stuff. Merely gain access to the backup server. You know, the server that everyone in IT needs access to, so they made the password "Password1". Everyone having access is a bad idea.

      Then using the handy web console that requires no training or skill, instead of backing up /dev/sda1, backup /dev/random or even better, some large temp file. dd if=/dev/random of=/temp/blah bs=1k count=1M and then backup /temp/blah instead of /dev/sda1. Or, if the backup system insists on backing up ext2 filesystem, do similar with mke2fs. Or if the backup system insists on backing up "a" sql database, change it from backing up "sekret_perscription_db" to backing up "test". Or execute some simple SQL commands to create a db with the same name with "_test" or perhaps "_version2" suffixed, then stop backing up the real one and start backing up the fake one. Simple web consoles are a bad idea. Putting a fisher-price interface on a nuclear reactor doesn't magically make it suitable for toddlers to play with.

      My backup routine encrypts everything with mcrypt. Using the handy dandy web interface, simply change the password thats passed to mcrypt. For extra bonus fun make is look similar, like "ell" for "one" and "Oh" for "Zero".

      Or, even more fun, if you have a centralized backup server tape farm, simply delete the entire database backup routine. I'm sure the simple web console has a simple interface to remove stuff just as easily as adding it. Its certain that someone was assigned the job of setting up a centralized backup system. Its possible, although there are numerous exceptions, that someone was assigned the job of maintaining the system on a day to day basis when it breaks. Its very unlikely anyone was assigned the job of verifying restores work, verifying actual data is being written, etc. No one is going to notice that the centralized backup server takes 1 minutes less or the tape is 1% less full...

      You can also have fun like configure the server to write 160 GB of data to each... 20 GB tape.

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    5. Re:Proper backup procedures by Osric250 · · Score: 1

      The hospital having the data itself offsite won't screw over the hackers. Because they can just sell all of the information on the black market. Who wants to get prescriptions of anything you want? Since I'm pretty sure out of 38 million prescriptions you should be able to find whatever you want. Add on top of that another 8 million of personal data and they'll get a nice chunk of change out of it anyway.

    6. Re:Proper backup procedures by jcnnghm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not about being able to recover the data, it's also about everyone's medical records being sold. If medical records can't even be protected at the state level, what makes people believe that national electronic health records will be any safer? Just wait until your laying in the hospital, but you can't be treated because access to your online health records are down.

      I'm increasingly amazed by the willingness of people to bitch and moan about incompetent and inefficient bureaucrats, while at the same time, insisting on turning over more and more important societal functions to these same bureaucrats.

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    7. Re:Proper backup procedures by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      What if they planned this for several years and infected all the backups with someting so they wont restore?

      Not saying they did, but anything is possible.

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    8. Re:Proper backup procedures by ciggieposeur · · Score: 1

      If medical records can't even be protected at the state level, what makes people believe that national electronic health records will be any safer?

      Maybe we think so because the federal government can sometimes be far more effective than small under-funded state governments? I mean, how many state governments have built their own space shuttles? How many can even fund their own highways?

    9. Re:Proper backup procedures by Pinckney · · Score: 1

      If medical records can't even be protected at the state level, what makes people believe that national electronic health records will be any safer?

      Single point of failure. It's easier to secure one system with everybody's eyes on it than thousands of systems, when none draws enough attention for their to be any consequences for failure.

      Additionally, if only the relevant state computer system goes down, I don't think you're any worse off than in your scenario when the national system is down. Just because there is another database out there with the information they need doesn't mean the hospital will have access to it when the system they've been relying on dies.

      I'm not sure I like the idea of a monolithic national electronic health records system, but I don't believe it is flawed for security reasons.

    10. Re:Proper backup procedures by jcnnghm · · Score: 1

      Bad example. If the federal government wasn't overtaxing the populace in order to raise funds to give back to the states as highway funds for the sole purpose of subverting the United States Constitution to push federal agenda on the states, the states would be perfectly capable of building the highways themselves, without an added layer of bureaucracy. Why do you think the maximum speed limit was 55 and the drinking age is 21 across the country. It has everything to do with those "federal" highway funds.

      Do you honestly believe the additional layer of bureaucracy is more efficient.

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    11. Re:Proper backup procedures by jcnnghm · · Score: 1

      Single point of failure. It's easier to secure one system with everybody's eyes on it than thousands of systems, when none draws enough attention for their to be any consequences for failure.

      By this logic Windows would be the most secure operating system.

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    12. Re:Proper backup procedures by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Make that "additional layers". There are at least three additional layers for every job where the taxes are collected by the Feds, and then re-sent back to the states to be used. Sometimes there are more. (In the case of highway funds I think there are something like 7 or more additional layers of bureaucracy.)

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    13. Re:Proper backup procedures by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      I'm increasingly amazed by the willingness of people to bitch and moan about incompetent and inefficient bureaucrats, while at the same time, insisting on turning over more and more important societal functions to these same bureaucrats.

      1. You are talking about more than one person. They may have different opinions. But still,
      2. It makes perfect sense.

      They elect people who bitch and moan about incompetent and inefficient bureaucrats, and are then surprised when those people are not competent and efficient bureaucrats. It is almost as if bitching and moaning are not adequate qualification for doing a better job.

      They say they want to drown the federal government in the bathtub, and then it turns out they aren't really worried about making it run more efficiently. Who would have thought?

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  10. Michigan by Darth_brooks · · Score: 5, Informative

    The state of Michigan had this same scenario play out two years ago. The only difference: it was part of one of their Cyberstorm security exercises. At a round table discussion, the acting IT infrastructure director talked about how the exercise opened. He sat down at his desk one day, opened his e-mail, and found a ransom note that mirrors exactly what's going on now in Virgina.

    It gets better. Certain key members of the IT infrastructure were given instructions ahead of time to take the day off, not tell anyone they were told to take the day off and, best of all, not answer their phone or e-mail unless they were being contacted by a specific person. (Someone who was 'in' on the exercise, and who had the authority to say "ah crap, XYZ is down and it's not part of the exercise, call Bob and let him know we actually need him.")

    All in all it was an interesting discussion of "what if?" that I'd love to try out in my own workplace. Sure, if someone's on call and doesn't answer their phone, you beat them with at bamboo cane a the next opportunity. But what do you do in the meantime? If crap hits the fan, do your managers & team leads really know their call flows? Or does everyone just freak out and call the guy that usually knows what he's doing? What happens when that guy gets hit by a bus?

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    1. Re:Michigan by SystematicPsycho · · Score: 1

      Isn't that a public relations disaster? "It was just a drill"... it's bound to make some people made even if they know it's a drill later.

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    2. Re:Michigan by burnin1965 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      key members of the IT infrastructure were given instructions ahead of time to take the day off, not tell anyone they were told to take the day off and, best of all, not answer their phone or e-mail

      if someone's on call and doesn't answer their phone, you beat them with at bamboo cane a the next opportunity

      Actually it looks like the scenario was designed to show that management should be severely caned for using on-call support as a means of running an operation.

      Forcing employees to adhere to an on-call schedule is a bullshit method of saving on labor expenses by shifting the cost to the employee who is then forced to tailor their personal life to support their employer.

      For all you on-call sysadmins out there I have a bit of information for you. I've seen a semiconductor factory that runs 24/7 and the support departments always had a paid crew working 24/7 to support production. The on shift crew was always enough to maintain operations and respond to disasters, i.e. power outages and bumps that take equipment down. While this may sound like an expensive solution for 24/7 operations it is actually cheaper if properly implemented. One of the keys to success is spreading the support work load across the shifts. The benefit is also a faster response to issues rather than waiting on a pager response.

      And one last concept I'd like to plant, that Blackberry they give you to carry on your hip every waking hour of every day including your days off is not a perk. You may feel all geeky and important with your company paid geek status symbol but in reality its simply a corporate slave leash.

    3. Re:Michigan by Xest · · Score: 4, Funny

      See in the UK we have a better approach with protecting the public from the effects of cyber attacks.

      We just allow our public sector to be so fucking useless no one misses them when their systems go offline anyway.

    4. Re:Michigan by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      If crap hits the fan, do your managers & team leads really know their call flows? Or does everyone just freak out and call the guy that usually knows what he's doing? What happens when that guy gets hit by a bus?

      they post an ad on monster.com with unrealistic qualification requirements and at 30% less pay than he was getting.

      Honestly, MOST companies, even after SOX still have incredibly little planning in backup or data security.

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    5. Re:Michigan by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      See in the UK we have a better approach with protecting the public from the effects of cyber attacks.

      We just allow our public sector to be so fucking useless no one misses them when their systems go offline anyway.

      And there are a lot of people who want us to emulate your health care system.
      The first thing I thought of was, what happens when the new national medical records system goes online with a similar level of security.

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    6. Re:Michigan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everybody in my IT shop knows the backup and restore procedure, and we drill. Not only do we drill, but we routinely do restores. We will down a system, run a differential, then go through the restore process and put it in production. We actually consider our backups to be the authoritative data, not the live systems. On the other hand, we spend a small fortune on the backup system. LTO-4 Autoloaders aren't cheap. But in our business, mistakes can mean plane crashes.

    7. Re:Michigan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crazy idea... stop bitching about the taxes used to support these ideas and give the Gov a chance to develop and retain the knowledge and staff to actually pull off a decent level of security.

      Or continue to simultaneously whine about taxes (of which Americans pay depressingly little as it is) and government ineffectiveness and miss the irony of it.

    8. Re:Michigan by delcielo · · Score: 1

      Wow. Sounds just a tad bit bitter.

      Your semiconductor factory probably works very well that way; but my enterprise doesn't so much. My on-call admin (me, this week) is expected to carry his blackberry; but the others don't have to carry it outside of work hours. My systems are very stable, so it's not unusual to go a week with only 1 or 2 calls. It's less normal, though not exactly rare, to go a week without getting called at all. So why should I pay shift differential and upset everybody's lives with rotating 3rd shift schedules?

      After all, if I want the 3rd shift person to be up to speed and able to handle any call, I need him to be in the office on 1st shift regularly enough to know what's happening with new deployments, etc.

      I don't doubt that you've found the right solution for your environment; but why bag on the other? I do save the shift differential; but the bigger thing is disrupting my staff's lives with rotating off-hour shifts.

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    9. Re:Michigan by deepershade · · Score: 1

      Actually, we tend to protect ourselves against cyberattacks by leaving all our important data on buses and in easy to steal locations. Our networks aren't going to get attacked if the attackers already have what they want. It's almost genius in it's stupidity. :)

    10. Re:Michigan by Darth_brooks · · Score: 1

      Your on-call rant aside, the addition of the unreachable person was there to add an additional level of "what the fuck" to the problem. Instead of just running through the standard documented procedure (which for most poorly run shops is "I don't know what to do and am incapable of making decisions! I better call Bob the doormat sysadmin who caters to our every need at the expense of himself!") it added a little bit of extra and unexpected shit to the fan.

      The crux of disaster / contingency planning is planning for *every* contingency. Too many IT "teams" are made up of a couple strong talents and a gaggle of fleshy cron jobs.

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    11. Re:Michigan by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      > And one last concept I'd like to plant, that Blackberry they give
      > you to carry on your hip every waking hour of every day including
      > your days off is not a perk. You may feel all geeky and important
      > with your company paid geek status symbol but in reality its
      > simply a corporate slave leash.

      What a load of shit. You clearly have never had this "non-perk". I check my emails when and if I want to. I answer my calls when and if I want to. The only thing my "corporate slave leash" allows me to do is make sure Joe in Accounting finished his shit and emailed me before he left work tonight, and I can check that from the bar instead of waiting at work. And I do.

      If you don't have the discipline to separate work time from life time, that's not the blackberry's fault. The only thing my PDA has done is give me more freedom with when I'm at the office and when I am not.

    12. Re:Michigan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Many people prefer oncall (With few calls) to working shifts.

  11. Was attack over the network or stolen backups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    10 million records... did he really "download" that over the internet and not get noticed? I guess he did deface their webpage. He's already giving him/herself away. But could it also be that he/she got the backup tapes and stole the data that way? Or did some moron lose their USB key with an export of the data on it? Or, did he/she just deface the web page and spin a story about stealing data?

    1. Re:Was attack over the network or stolen backups? by LUH+3418 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Even if it was 10GBs worth of data, once an attacker can sneak into the system, it's possible to download it all without getting noticed... If the server has a fat pipe, it's likely nobody will notice a minor amount of additional overhead. However, there remains the question of how the attacker could know that there are no additional backups.

      There have been ransom cases like this before, dating as far back as the 80s I believe (perhaps even the 70s), where it was an inside job, and the attackers stole all the physical backup media. It's possible the attackers worked there, and thought they could get enough money this way to "disappear". This seems stupid to me, however. There just doesn't seem to be a way for them to get those 10 millions without being traced.

    2. Re:Was attack over the network or stolen backups? by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or none of the above. What about he gained remote access to the backup servers, encrypted their backups with a password of his choosing and deleted their other (presumably, rewritable / otherwise on-line) backups?

      That way, he personally had access to them (without having to download them) and has removed everyone else's access. Even if he has just "lost" the latest backups for them, that's an incredibly serious breach that he could even get that close and relevant to a lot of people. He *could* have downloaded whatever he wanted and could have wreaked enormous havoc by *corrupting* the backups beyond recognition and not even get noticed. How many other large organisations use their host's backup facilities (which are normally run as "on-line" backups with occasional "off-line"/"off-site" backups) instead of their own? I know of several, but they don't host anything anywhere near as critical to this.

      Either way, it's piss-poor server/network management and someone should be fingered for it. I'm guessing it's more likely an "IT Consultant" and/or someone who didn't listen to their systems administrator at the last round of budget estimates than the actual implementors of the system.

    3. Re:Was attack over the network or stolen backups? by Nihixul · · Score: 1

      Either way, it's piss-poor server/network management and someone should be fingered for it.

      I'd be satisfied if they were just fired.

    4. Re:Was attack over the network or stolen backups? by nasor · · Score: 1

      The data was probably only a few GB at most. Would anyone notice him downloading that? Especially if the database is being accesses all the time by countless doctors/pharmacies/etc. ?

  12. Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it is another Windows POS. When will the west learn to care about security?

  13. One Question by MistrBlank · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did they also threaten to release the Da Vinci virus?

    1. Re:One Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fucking slashdot. if i had mod points i'd mod you up Funny.

      G4's been playing it on the "movies that don't suck" programming block. Its usually either that or Enter the Dragon, but i usually watch either one they show.

  14. Whitehouse take note by 2phar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A timely illustration of the critical importance of security in electronic medical records.

  15. Don't mess with Virginia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Pentagon lives here.

  16. Re:Goddamn commie bastards !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      HTTP/1.1 200 OK
      Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
      MicrosoftOfficeWebServer: 5.0_Pub
      PICS-Label: (PICS-1.0 "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l on "2002.01.30T11:07-0400" exp "2035.12.31T12:00-0400" r (v 0 s 0 n 0 l 0))
      Connection: keep-alive
      Content-Location: http://www.dhp.virginia.gov/Default.htm
      Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 13:22:56 GMT
      Content-Type: text/html
      Accept-Ranges: bytes
      Last-Modified: Fri, 01 May 2009 20:54:08 GMT
      ETag: "0d886f89ecac91:af5"
      Content-Length: 18149

  17. Why isn't this encrypted? by spineboy · · Score: 1

    With the data being decoded by another computer. This would prevent crap like this from occurring again.

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    1. Re:Why isn't this encrypted? by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      And if they break into the decoding computer, then they get the decryption key, and all access required to get to the data, anyway.

      Besides...if the encrypted data is encrypted again to hold it hostage, what good does the initial encryption do?

      Squat.

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    2. Re:Why isn't this encrypted? by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Encrypted data is safe from unauthorized access, but it can still be deleted or held for ransom.

    3. Re:Why isn't this encrypted? by spineboy · · Score: 1

      but it makes it that much less attractive, since the SS numbers can't be sold..

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  18. Stupid criminals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If it's real it's stupid.

    Can a governmental agency even pay a ransom? Are they allowed? Would they even consider it?

    I would think they would just go to the cops. This makes ransoming the data of a government agency an all risk no reward proposition.

    Maybe you could blackmail the head of IT but you have to keep the threat on the DL and the data going missing is the threat. Also I think 10 mill is out of the question in the later case.

  19. Damnit... by jez9999 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The attackers claimed they had deleted the backups, and demanded $10 million for the return of prescription data on more than 8 million Virginians.

    Damn, I'd pay $10 mil for data on more than 8 million virgins. That's more than you get for martyrdom in the... oh, read it wrong. Never mind.

    1. Re:Damnit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The attackers claimed they had deleted the backups, and demanded $10 million for the return of prescription data on more than 8 million Virginians.

      Damn, I'd pay $10 mil for data on more than 8 million virgins. That's more than you get for martyrdom in the... oh, read it wrong. Never mind.

      CmdrTaco would like a word with you about your generous offer.

    2. Re:Damnit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure CmdrTaco would be willing to negotiate.

  20. It's situations like this by mandark1967 · · Score: 5, Funny

    That make me very happy I get all my medication from the 2 dudes on the streetcorner.

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    1. Re:It's situations like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are their names jay and bob?

    2. Re:It's situations like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is truth to this...

  21. State control by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is what happens when you let the government in to places where it shouldn't be. There shouldn't be a state record of prescriptions, in fact the entire idea of government restricting the sale of certain chemicals to a doctor-monopoly is wrong. You statists are getting what you deserve; unfortunately the rest of us have to pay for it too.

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    1. Re:State control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely correct.

      On our honeymoon in the Caymans (it was very cool to live like the free men), my wife got severely sunburnt. To get Silverdyne, it was only $10 at the drug store. No prescription required. In the US, it would have required a doctor's visit, a prescription, and the meds would have costed $80.

    2. Re:State control by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      It depends. All things can be used for bad and for good. While it kind of sucks in this case that the records database got broken into there are some good points to this. If you were in an accident, it sure would be nice if the hospital was able to look up any prescriptions you were on before administering other drugs which may be harmful when used with you current medication.

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    3. Re:State control by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      This is what happens when you let the government in to places where it shouldn't be. There shouldn't be a state record of prescriptions, in fact the entire idea of government restricting the sale of certain chemicals to a doctor-monopoly is wrong.

      The Libertarian in me agrees with you. The Realist in me who watches soccer moms stuff antibiotics into their cold-infected children for two days and then stopping disagrees wholeheartedly.

      There are some things that inherently need to be done under professional supervision. Medicine dosing is one of them.

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      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    4. Re:State control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Silvadene is avail in a generic. Yes it requires an Rx but you can get 50gm for near $10, nowhere near $80.
       
      /Pharmacist

    5. Re:State control by rtb61 · · Score: 1
      Now that is really a stupid idea. of course there should be an independent review of all prescriptions provided. Seriously get the prescription wrong and people die, an independent check can prevent a lot tragic consequences. Added benefit is tracking of bad side affects especially where those side affects cause greater harm than the condition the prescription is trying to mitigate and, of course tracking down and managing any addictive prescription is also very important, especially as there can be non-addictive alternatives.

      So it is a excellent idea for the state to monitor all a doctors prescriptions to ensure validity of those prescription as of course inappropriately prescribed medications can result in death http://www.naturalnews.com/009278.html and any state that doesn't take actions when that number of deaths is occurring is failing it's citizens.

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    6. Re:State control by b96miata · · Score: 1

      Requiring scripts is fine. Having a government database of them is not.

      I'd much rather a few thousand addicts had an easier time getting their next fix than have my personal details on the open market. (I live in VA and have filled prescriptions at pharmacies here, so I can only assume my personal data is part of this breach.)

      This incident (well, the threat of it) is pretty much the textbook argument against government databases. Too bad no one will pay attention when it actually happens.

    7. Re:State control by jonadab · · Score: 1

      Why on earth would you give antibiotics for a cold? Colds are viral, last I checked.

      But yeah, the prescription system is on the whole something society is better off with than without.

      And the other poster is completely out of line with the phrase "doctor monopoly". There are millions of doctors, and while small groups of them may have business relationships (shared practices and so forth), they're still not even really an oligopoly, much less a monopoly. (I suppose there may be certain communities where the doctors have all banded together to form a cartel of sorts, but if so that is a local issue in that community.)

      If anything the small number of medical insurance outfits, and the unwarranted leverage that they exert, is a larger problem, but the last thing I want is the government trying to straighten that out. The federal government (indirectly) caused that mess in the first place through a fantastically stupid attempt to control inflation by the terribly misguided expedient of simply making it illegal, through wage and price controls -- an approach that has never once worked as intended in the history of the universe and usually causes significant undesirable side effects. Sure enough, employers unable to recruit the workers they needed at the wages the government was willing to let them pay found a loophole and started paying the workers in something other than money. Unfortunately, rather than simple goods that could be bartered off, they chose services like medical insurance for the additional compensation, so to this day your employer gets to decide which insurance company will set the policies regarding what medical procedures you can have done and, worse, which doctors and hospitals you can do business with. Unwarranted government meddling in the economy caused this.

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    8. Re:State control by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      No argument here. I was just replying to that one specific phrase.

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      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    9. Re:State control by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Why on earth would you give antibiotics for a cold? Colds are viral, last I checked.

      That was part of my point.

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    10. Re:State control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uhm.. thats what the doc is for.

    11. Re:State control by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Well, if I thought that to be important, I'd carry that information with me at all times. I know it's not as fancy as having the government looking at my records, but it's just as effective.

    12. Re:State control by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Ugh, what a sham, and you feel for it.

      I know of a mother that was giving her son powerful steriods "under professional supervision." While trying to set a picture on the device, she somehow turned the pen (which was set with the proper dosage and filled with enough doses for a month) and gave 5x the proper dosage.

      You're only "under professional supervision" while you're physically at the doctors office and being watched. Anything else is a joke, and an illusion. Do you know how many people can't figure out what "2 pills three times daliy" means?

    13. Re:State control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what happens when you let the government in to places where it shouldn't be.

      This is what happens when you let any large organization do this. It doesn't have to be the government. Large corporations are generally worse that large government. Drug companies have these huge databases too. They buy them from pharmacists. Of course, if they leaked the data, we'd never hear about it. Radical libertarianism just replace the government with megacorporations.

    14. Re:State control by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      And it would've been better if she could buy the same steroids OTC, so that there were no checks and balances to see why she was going through a month's supply in 6 days?

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      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    15. Re:State control by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      I disagree; I think that everybody's prescriptions should be a matter of public record. It is not quite as embarrassing when you can point to tens of millions of others on the same medication, is it? For the record, I take Metformin and Amaryl every day. Oh, and right now I'm on Penicillin after having a tooth extracted. Which begs the question: who the fuck cares?!? Sorta hard to blackmail someone information they've already publicly released, isn't it? My parents actually live in Virgina; my mom takes Metformin and arthritis meds and my dad takes blood pressure meds... again, who the fuck cares?!? They are old and they take prescriptions -- but you could probably guess that just by looking at them.

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    16. Re:State control by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      It would be no different... the damage is already done, her son got too much and suffered ill effects. Had it been OTC, she would have had to take her son in anyway, and they'd have caught the mistake.

      In other words, stupid people are always going to be stupid, and trying to shield them from the consequence of this stupidity doesn't force them to learn anything.

  22. An unrelated comment by dachshund · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is tragic, and please don't view the following unrelated rant as indicating lack of sympathy or some kind of judgement against the public agency that's getting slammed in this case.

    A couple of weeks ago I spent a few days at the RSA security conference, one of the biggest conferences/trade shows in the security industry. Roughly 7 out of 10 of the products being hawked were absolute nonsense: buzzword-compliant BS. "Security risk management" software, hacked-together IDS systems, encryption systems that have pretty Windows GUIs (and probably, lots of pretty Windows code vulnerabilities), AV that's easy to circumvent, etc. They'd do absolutely nothing to protect you in the face of a serious attack. I say this as both a security professional and a business owner, which makes me somewhat well qualified to make that judgement. Often the most obviously ineffective products were the best sellers.

    My point? In terms of commercial spending, "security" has so far been an excuse to spend a bunch of money and check a lot of little boxes. Corporations and organizations aren't really serious about preventing attacks, because for the most part it isn't happening (to most companies). An executive wants to say he "did something", so he buys a bunch of stuff and wastes time configuring it. It probably doesn't protect him against a motivated attacker, and he doesn't have the skills in-house to deal with it (which would be a lot more valuable than the equipment and software he purchased).

    When I see something like this story, well, it's absolutely not gratifying. It's tragic. And of course, the fact that it's hitting a public agency makes it even nastier. But at very least, I hope that things like this do at least scare the crap out of some of the companies buying this nonsense, and convince a few of them to take the problem seriously. Because it is a problem. The reason we have the luxury of pretty trade shows that sell fluffy products is because this very real problem just hasn't manifested itself in an expensive enough way to shock people into taking the problem seriously. I really hope people start taking it seriously before this kind of thing becomes too pernicious.

    1. Re:An unrelated comment by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's true. Where I work, we have very good security. This is because we have very good security engineers who select (or write) the tools they use, rather than having some shitty pie-chart generating security app shoved on us by some middle manager who liked the sales presentation.

      Infosec really is an art at this point. Managers, don't tell the artist what equipment he can use. Your $40,000 SIM is going to be completely wasted, because syslog + a perl script will get him exactly what he needs in exactly the format he wants in less time than it takes to open the box on the SIM.

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    2. Re:An unrelated comment by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      The issues with IT security are due to smart marketing - they know where the money is and they cash in on it.

      There isn't much money in helping a CEO to find some guy who can competantly run his IT show.

      What the CEO needs is a way to get his friend's cousin an IT security certification so that he can justify hiring him. You see, his friend is the CEO of OtherCorp and he just hired his nephew for $250k/yr, and it is time to pay back the favor. However, the guy's cousin could turn out to be an idiot and that could get the guy who decided to hire him canned. However, if the cousin had a SuperS+ Security Certificaton and there is a big mess, then the cousin could be shifted to some other job and the guy who hired him could be safe since he had the credentials. Plus, as an added bonus the CEO of OtherCorp now owes you a favor for saving the guy's job and that could come in handy if OtherCorp has an opening on the board of directors.

      So, the SuperS+ Security Certrication company will issue a cert to anybody who can sit through classes and cram their way through a test, and pony up $5k in fees.

      And what is the chance that anybody will break into any particular company anyway? :)

    3. Re:An unrelated comment by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      In terms of commercial spending, "security" has so far been an excuse to spend a bunch of money and check a lot of little boxes.

      Bruce Schneier addresses this and other related security issues on his blog and in his books; among them the tendency of companies to treat security as a "product in a box" which can be purchased, turned on, and then forgotten about instead of as way of thinking and doing business so that security becomes ingrained into the corporate culture out of habit and practiced effort.

  23. This is joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sounds like a false flag hacking. Thanks gov for making people who use computers look like threats to freedom again...

    1. Re:This is joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you're talking out of your ass. Proof?

  24. Ummm... by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well... he has an email address that he wants people to talk to him on. The person is asking to be caught already. Even assuming Tor use, etc., that's a definite lead back to him right there. You're talking an open invitation for some agency to coerce Yahoo to plant something on his browser when that login is detected (a cookie would probably do for the simple cases, a Flash/Java/browser exploit or similar in an advert would easily do for the more complex). Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't possible to get a Microsoft-signed Java app (and, thus, automatically run without prompting) into the pages that are made for his login with their co-operation and have it reveal the *real* IP address / routing.

    You can *easily* string him along for four or five emails. He would have to be using extremely tight security each and every time in order to communicate safely (and thus I hope he ran / is running a sandboxed system via a good anonymising network for the purpose of creating and checking that mail account each and every time and that he *never* uses that sandbox for anything else).

    And you're talking confidential patient records - this is no hero of the citizenry, it's some pillock with nmap. So I hope he does get caught. Yeah, expose the security holes (though even that is just asking for jailtime) but don't play with people's lives.

    How he expects to receive any money is beyond me... there's no such thing as a "safe" bank account except in the movies. Or is he hoping for a large bag of cash to be thrown from the Golden Gate bridge at 13:37 or similar? I'm guessing that, somewhere, he's made a stupid, elementary and critical mistake which means that he'll be "caught" quite soon (as in, people know who he is and just have to do the paperwork to get him), if he's not already.

    If you want to make a stand, make a stand, target an organisation, pick a purpose, hit the critical points without collateral damage. If you want to dick about and show what a hacker you are, that's when you take whatever you *can* find (e.g. extremely private medical records and personal details of random people) and threaten to spread it unless a ransom is paid. In short,

    Go to Jail. Go directly to Jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $10 million.

    1. Re:Ummm... by Mendoksou · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right, and he intends to get the money somehow... as if it couldn't be tracked. My guess is that this guy is as good as caught, or its a hoax. Either way, expect to see more restrictive internet legislation because of this.

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    2. Re:Ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Internet cafes and open wifi hotspots are easy enough to come by. I think it's far more likely that a zombie network is checking his yahoo account and distributing it to another zombie net or elsewhere. I'm assuming for the few thousand bucks it takes to buy a botnet if your ROI is measured in millions of dollars, it would make sense.

      i mean, when the data shows up on 1400 machines at once and the feds kick in some middle-aged grocery manager's door and take his infected PC, this guy is pretty much now a needle in a haystack.

    3. Re:Ummm... by batquux · · Score: 1

      Just a couple thoughts on the money thing. Perhaps the idea was never to collect ransom, but to sell the information on the black market where tracing isn't as much of an issue. You might nab this person by posing as a potential illegal buyer, or at least you could get a better deal on it than the $10 million up front. With this kind of access to this particular database, the easier way to make money would be to enter fake prescription data for addicts or dealers.

    4. Re:Ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or he could choose to not try and extort a government, which can basically force collaboration out of any organization he might be using to conceal his identity. He thinks he's smart which means he knows the email address would be a dead giveaway, and will probably never have the yarbles to log into it again, if he's in the US, which is doubtful. More likely he is framing someone else with that email address for crossing him.

    5. Re:Ummm... by binaryspiral · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Maybe he won't ask for the money.

      Split it to 1,000 homeless shelters... and don't give the password until the money is spent.

      Food pantries, job centers, etc... 10 mill would make a lot of people's lives just a bit better.

      What better way of using tax payers' dollars than taking care of those folks?

    6. Re:Ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Letting the tax payers keep their money in the first place.

      The best use of tax payers money is not collect it, nor spend it.

    7. Re:Ummm... by Meltir · · Score: 1

      Last i checked the Nigerian scams, hackers accounts for pushing spam, scammers, and V1agra sellers are all using bank accounts.

      AFAIK, its usually small African banks that don't have agreements with other banks worldwide (visa anyone ?) preventing fraudulent and illegal transactions...

      Transfer your money there, ask some idiot to pick it up - or better yet, get an actual nigerian setup for someone to help get the money out of the country.
      I hear Western union isn't easily trackable either when you have a network of people working to earn their 10k out (compared to your cool 1mil).

    8. Re:Ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The person is asking to be caught already... that's a definite lead back to him right there.

      Use a different internet cafe each time you check your mail. Pay only cash. Have a friend in a different state (or country) check the mail too. Go on a holiday and check the mail. Steal a laptop and use a public wireless zone, maybe in an airport during your holiday. Wear gloves.

      Yes, medical data theft is bad. No, it doesn't justify building security holes to support investigations. Even if it did work (flash enabled, cookies accepted etc) and it eventually leads to a person rather than an anonymous / public machine, any hole will also get used for malicious purposes too.

      Even in the best possible case of a special back door which only mandated agencies could use, would you trust any such agency to keep the key or derived data secure? Remember the OP?

      (Besides, you want to be tracing the hack, not the ransom email.)

    9. Re:Ummm... by magbottle · · Score: 5, Funny

      How he expects to receive any money is beyond me... .

      A good plan would be to identify two similarly hackable situations, crack one and post a ransom note on the main page. Then kick back and read Slashdot to figure out how best to exploit hack situation number two.

      We give the best advice.

    10. Re:Ummm... by nasor · · Score: 1

      It would be trivially easy to access the email account as many times as you like, assuming you have a friend or two in, say, Nigeria who can go to an internet cafe at a pre-arranged time, set up an encrypted proxy for one use.

    11. Re:Ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or he could just hop around to a couple of internet cafes... Or buy a laptop with cash and a couple of wifi cards he can chuck out incase they are looking for his mac address...

    12. Re:Ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he sends routing & account number for a bank in the Caymen islands he just might get away with the money.

    13. Re:Ummm... by FreshOuttaMaps · · Score: 1

      Doesn't Yahoo! support POP or IMAP access to mailboxes? It would be much harder to counter-attack using the approach you described if the thief is not connecting via the web.

    14. Re:Ummm... by binaryspiral · · Score: 1

      Letting the tax payers keep their money in the first place.

      The best use of tax payers money is not collect it, nor spend it.

      Nah, they'll just piss it away on Escalades and PS3s... sometimes you need to fix roads, educate children, and help people who have lost their jobs due to people wanting more Escalades and PS3s.

    15. Re:Ummm... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      He would have to be using extremely tight security each and every time in order to communicate safely The fact that he almost certainly works in IT for the state of Virginia argues that he is incapable of implementing tight security. Yes, it is just a matter of time before they announce they have apprehended him.

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    16. Re:Ummm... by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      Right, if he was really a professional he would have stripped the identity information (name, ssn, dob, addresses, etc) from the context (prescription drugs in Virginia) and quietly sold the IDs on some carder site(s). Now, the FBI (and probably USSS) is looking for him and the information is too "hot" to sell to anyone, or at least greatly de-valued, because everyone knows about the breach (i.e the potential targets have all been warned). If he hadn't announced it to the world, like an idiot, and instead quietly sold off the haul the break-in probably never would have been noticed AND he would have gotten some money, not $10 million but something. Note: I am not advocating criminal activity, I am simply pointing out how a real professional would have gone about the task as opposed to the amateur night antics of the hacker in question.

    17. Re:Ummm... by nanamin · · Score: 1

      1) Drive down to house with unsecured wifi, somewhere away from where you live
      2) Spoof mac address
      3) Use tor
      4) DBAN hard drives
      And see my previous comment for how identity thieves online can and do transfer that amount of money around. A quick google search will pull up all kinds of information on this kind of activity. If there were no way for it to securely be done, it wouldn't be happening every day.

    18. Re:Ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone using Tor with a bit of clue will have securely tested their Tor setup to see that nothing (Java, Flash, etc.) leaks, except through Tor. Tor is good for one thing only: anonymity, not security.

    19. Re:Ummm... by griffjon · · Score: 1

      Well, give the guy some credit - TOR and not doing anything stupid (like, I dunno, privoxy and disabling java, javascript, image loading, etc.?) will help the email problem out. It could be done, at least. Not saying this guy has to date displayed the intelligence to think that he might get caught and should avoid it, but hey. He hacked the site. That's ... well, probably not totally trivial?

      Now, getting the money without getting caught...

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    20. Re:Ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just use Hawala.

    21. Re:Ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First it is my belief that it is possible to have a completely anonymous transaction. However it is not simple to get the necessary pieces setup and it is also somewhat costly. Here is how I would suggest doing it: The first part of the puzzle is to screen your IP address and all information that is associated with physically what/where you are surfing from. 1) Purchase a piece of software from Zero Knowledge Systems called Websecure. (http://www.freedom.net/products/websecure/). This piece of software once installed and enabled encrypts (128bit) and routes all of your surfing traffic through a series of Zero Knowledge proxy servers. This keeps your IP address from appearing to any of the sites you visit. The second piece of the puzzle is to setup an anonymous bank account. There are a variety of companies that provide anonymous offshore accounts. They are not cheap. In my research it has averaged about $1000.00 to set one up. Here are some of the companies I found that will let you set up an anonymous offshore bank account: 1) Cardster (http://www.cardster.net) Specific service page - (http://www.cardster.net/anonymous_offshore_bank_account.htm) 2) Finor (http://www.finor.com) Specific service page- (http://www.finor.com/en/anonymous_bank_accounts.htm) Note: This company actually takes your information and then sets up an anonymous account with another bank on your behalf. Their thing is that they have to know you and then they will protect your privacy once they know you. 3) Alpha Offshore (http://www.1alpha-offshore.com) Specific service page: (http://www.1alpha-offshore.com/Offshore-Anonymous-Cirrus-Debit-Cards.htm) - Note: I like this one the best. It is the most straightforward and not "gimmicky." Now once you are surfing the web anonymously and you have anonymous bank account, now it is time for you find an e-payment service where you "accidentally" fill out the majority of the signup form with information other than your own - except the bank account information and the brand new hotmail account email address of course. Now you are ready to transfer money using one of the following payment transaction services: 1) Paypal (http://www.paypal.com) 2) Billpoint (http://www.billpoint.com) 3) E-Gold (http://www.e-gold.com) 4) NetPay (http://www.netpay.tv) At this point whoever you send money to using the payment service will have no way of tracking the payment back to you. To make the transaction completely untraceable the recipient should go through the steps above to get to the point where they have an untraceable e-payment account as well. Do beware that Paypal and others will ask questions about large transactions. I recently sold some teak furniture for close to $3000.00 and a Paypal security representative sent me an email asking me to confirm the transaction and explain what it was. I responded and then never heard from them again. I recognize that this isn't an easy or straightforward system. But sending anonymous payments and receiving them can be done if the right groundwork is laid in advance. (DISCLAIMER) Also as a disclaimer, I have not actually tried to do this and I don't recommend incorrectly filling out web signup forms. This is purely a theoretical thought exercise to see if an anonymous exchange of money can be accomplished using an alternative method to actually handing physical currency over. -iamchmod

  25. Is that the state population? by s2jcpete · · Score: 1

    The 2000 census has the state population at about 7 million. 8.1 would be reasonable in the time since 2000.

  26. The real problem is this: by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

    Each state has it's own database farmed out to a 3rd party without oversight. The lowest bidder no doubt with Virginia.

    BTW Virginia is also a commonwealth state. The UK is a commonwealth nation. Coincidence, No I don't think so. So that means you guys in the UK are responsible.

    1. Re:The real problem is this: by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      BTW Virginia is also a commonwealth state.

      As are Pennsylvania, Kentucky and Massachusetts.

      *cue spooky music*

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    2. Re:The real problem is this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who lives in the state^W commonwealth of Kentucky, I can assure you with all the authority granted to me by this state^W commonwealth that this should in no way, shape, or form dissuade anyone from thinking someone from here did it.

      Just follow the horse manure smell, and you'll find your records.

  27. Error in Title: by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    Should read:

    "Data changed since last nightly off-site backup held for ransom."

    1. Re:Error in Title: by compro01 · · Score: 1

      nightly off-site backup

      What's that? ;)

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  28. We have the system partially restored by codepunk · · Score: 1

    Woop De Doo, the data has already been stolen, now what?

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  29. Ironically by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

    He'll probably get a bunch of spam for Cialis.

    Excuse me, C1@lis. Need to get this post through the spam filters.

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  30. yahoo by madcat2c · · Score: 1

    I have a feeling yahoo is tracing some IP's right now.

    1. Re:yahoo by tekiegreg · · Score: 1

      If this guy is anything approaching a professional it'll probably go back to an anonymous proxy :-/

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  31. You've never worked for the government by wiredog · · Score: 3, Informative

    have you?

    I've been working for contractors for 10 years now, and am still surprised by the level of incompetence that some government IT folks demonstrate.

    Some are good. NOAA OMAO really has its stuff together. DoJ? Not so much..

    1. Re:You've never worked for the government by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      My experience with government IT positions has been that they are very commonly run as small shops. You might work with 3 or 4 other people at best with similar knowledge. The problem is when there is a need for a project that requires different skills. Instead of getting training or hiring a contractor to work with them they take the cheaper and easier route of just tossing those folks into the project. "Oh I'm sure you can figure it out" is the usual refrain. They try their best but it is a struggle. What you get in the end is a amateurish but passible piece of work that is buggy and full of holes.

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    2. Re:You've never worked for the government by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Hmm... well VT only wanted to pay a MAX of $36,000 / year for a software engineering position. Oh, and you start at the bottom of the pay scale no matter what, the 36k was the max end of the pay scale, after which you'd never get a raise. So, this doesn't suprise me at all.

    3. Re:You've never worked for the government by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Informative

      I work for a school, and you're close to being right. However, it is worse than that, people who actually KNOW something more than the others are pushed aside and ignored.

      I'll give you a great example, here at where I worked. Five years ago, we began planning for a large infrastructure upgrade (gig MAN), and I suggested that as part of the planning we include VLANS so that we can implement proper VLANing when we did the actual upgrades.

      The ass kissing guy on our team who doesn't know shit, but has a dark brown nose, said we didn't need to VLAN anything (because he didn't understand what a VLAN was).

      Fast forward to today, we have just finished our gig MAN rollout and we don't have VLANS, and people are asking about things like VOIP and using digital tech to replace other communication protocols (Fire/Saftey, HVAC, etc), and we can't because there was no planning done handle it properly within VLANS.

      Nobody listened to me, because I don't speak with brown nose qualities. And the idiot who they listen to still doesn't know jack shit about anything.

      There is one other small part of this that nobody really knows about. We run our whole department on a shoestring budget with no understanding from anyone in Management about what we have to do, because we are nothing more than a necissary evil to them. In the eight years I've been here, we've doubled the number of servers and desktops we have to manage, without adding a single person. In fact, the last year, we've lost three people from our Dept, and are losing another, and only one has been replaced. And it is really starting to show up in the quality of work we can do. Right now, we're in a position of firefighting, with little or no preventative planning.

      And don't ask us about backups. It is only for a complete disaster. I pity the day when that happens, and we realize we didn't back up enough data.

      We have good people here, doing the best we can with what we have, for the most part.

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    4. Re:You've never worked for the government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy crap, that sounds a lot like the school district I used to work for. Although we had 4 people leave with 2 replacements, along with picking up student records and the phone systems which had previously been handled by separate departments.

  32. Reminds me of a comment from yesterday: by narfspoon · · Score: 1

    http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1221551&cid=27821071 90% of the folks out there can't tell the difference so they just assume whatever is expensive is capable enough.

  33. Even an off-site backup is vulnerable by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Off-site backups are vulnerable to:
    1) corrupt employees or contractors
    2) physical disasters at the off-site location
    3) tampering with the back-up and back-up-verification procedure which causes backups to be corrupted for several months or years, then erasing the live data. This tampering may be electronic or social i.e. bribing or blackmailing key employees.

    You mitigate likely disasters, you accept that there are some things that aren't cost-effective to mitigate for.

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    1. Re:Even an off-site backup is vulnerable by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      true, but an off-site backup is only ever needed if the original site disappears. Its a risk-management strategy that is surprisingly effective. I mean, if your primary and backup location both go *at the same time*, you've likely much more significant worries (like a natural disaster or war).

      The biggest problem with backups (no matter where they are kept) is restoring them. That's why making a backup is useless unless you at least attempt to restore from it occasionally. The time you really don't want to find out your backups were corrupt, or you've been backing up the porn folder instead of the work one, is when you need to restore for real.

    2. Re:Even an off-site backup is vulnerable by HiThere · · Score: 1

      The off-site back up is also subject to being corrupted at the time it is written. If you don't have spare servers with tape drives, it can be impossible to check them safely. I remember one time we discovered that a years worth of backups had been written by a drive with a malfunctioning write head. Fortunately we discovered it when trying to set up a new system rather than in a disaster...but there still wasn't any way we could check that it wasn't still happening AFTER the new server went into production. At that point we couldn't afford to wipe it every week or so the check that the tapes were readable (by doing a restore). I don't know why the backup program didn't discover that the tapes weren't readable ... except it was probably trying to back things up as quickly as possible. (Backing up an entire hard disk took most of the night.)

      Well, we were a small shop, 3 programmers and a manager, with one of the programmers charged with also being system administrator. And nobody in nights or weekends, when we could take the servers down. And no more hardware than we absolutely needed!! But that's not an uncommon situation to be in (though hardware is cheaper now, so maybe some things have eased up).

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  34. All Your Database.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is super cool, and if they are using Oracle, super easy. The Transparent Data Encryption "Feature" included with Oracle database can be initialized and enabled without any visible change to users or even administrators. Once it's up and running, you copy and delete the "wallet" used to start the database and turn on encrypted backups. You wait a little while, until their unencrypted backups are too old to be any good, then shutdown the database and tell them what you've done. It won't start, and the backups won't restore without the wallet you stole.

    The beauty part is, you can't "disable" the TDE feature. The only way to do that is to turn it on, and not use it. That requires.... Wait for it....

    A license.

    Ha ha. If you configure it, to disable it, you have to pay for it. I love Oracle.

  35. DHP != VDH by elbuddha · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just for clarification, the Virginia Department of Health Professionals is not the same agency as the Virginia Department of Health.

    Each Virginia agency is its own little independent IT fiefdom, with all the disparity of budget and clue that entails. At least until their IT is taken over by Northrop Grumman, which is another clusterfuck entirely...

  36. Re:State control - hell, no by hwyhobo · · Score: 1

    There are some things that inherently need to be done under professional supervision. Medicine dosing is one of them.

    Who do you think whores out all those prescriptions to those soccer moms if not your precious "medical professionals"? You think your soccer moms just dreamed up all those pills? It's the doctors who are the drug pushers. Without them the public wouldn't have a fraction of the dangerous chemicals they're shoving into their faces as we speak.

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  37. Heh, seeing more and more of these by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's kind of completely obvious in retrospect but I remember being so proud coming up with an idea like this way back when I was first getting into computers and reading way too much cyberpunk. The scenario I imagined was someone hacking into a corporate network and planting a virus that gets wormed into all the backups. The ransom note goes something like this:

    1. Hi. I compromised your systems.
    2. You have no idea when I compromised them and I won't tell you. Rest assured it's been for more than months.
    3. I planted a virus.
    4. It's in all your backups now.
    5. It's set to start deleting everything next week.
    6. You could conceivably take everything offline and pay security geeks big bucks to scrub it down. My guess is it'd take you weeks and cost $x megabucks.
    7. For $.1x megabucks, I'll give you the disarm code.

    I thought it was a kewl idea but the part that I could never figure out was how to make contact with the company without giving everything away. The only thing I could come up with is the old standby from TV and movies, the "numbered swiss bank account." Presumably your identity would be kept private, you would know when the deposit was made, end of story. But it always seemed like there would be some hole in the process that would leave a big red arrow pointing back to the hacker.

    Of the historic hackers we've read about, the ones who have gotten caught, it's always some fuckup that gets them nailed, usually not being able to keep their yaps shut. This does make me wonder if we don't hear about the successful hacks because a) the good ones can keep their yaps shut and b) nobody wants to advertise getting pwn'd hard by some punk.

    The other factor is a hack like this is so big and flashy, it's just bound to get law enforcement to throw more bucks at the case than it would normally warrant, just because it's so brazen, blatant, and just begging the feds to overreact.

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    1. Re:Heh, seeing more and more of these by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      The only thing I could come up with is the old standby from TV and movies, the "numbered swiss bank account." Presumably your identity would be kept private, you would know when the deposit was made, end of story.

      Actually, no. The Swiss banks do not deal with criminals and if you want to deposit millions of dollars then they are going to ask you where it came from and make you prove that it is legitimate before they accept the deposit. The Swiss don't like criminals and Switzerland is a really bad place to commit a crime. Also, the world banking system is basically controlled by the United States government because any bank that doesn't cooperate can be cut "out of the loop" and no bank wants to be denied access to the US foreign exchange markets. Even foreign countries get their assets frozen when the US demands (witness the frozen North Korean offshore bank accounts). The scenario might make for a good TV movie, but in real life you would definitely be busted.

    2. Re:Heh, seeing more and more of these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Of the historic hackers we've read about, the ones who have gotten caught, it's always some fuckup that gets them nailed, usually not being able to keep their yaps shut. This does make me wonder if we don't hear about the successful hacks because a) the good ones can keep their yaps shut and b) nobody wants to advertise getting pwn'd hard by some punk.

      This reminds me of something similar I encountered a while back. There was this online game that was going out of service for the North America/International region. Natrually all the players were outraged, but nothing could be done. So, the natural course of action was to get an account for, say, the Korean region. Oh, turns out they thought of that already. To register a Korean account, you needed a valid Korean SSN. Stuck? Nope. A few days later, someone posts a HUGE list of Korean names and SSNs. Pages and pages. We all just picked a cool looking SSN and registered. If you played this game you probably know exactly what I'm talking about.

      I like to think of this as the exact opposite end of the spectrum when hacking personal information. Absolutely no harm... we could care less about abusing the SSNs (not that we could think of any way to), we just wanted to play. The forum was private so only registered members could see it; very unlikely someone looking for SSNs to use maliciously would come across this forum. I don't know where they got the SSNs from, but its likely they don't even know they were taken.

      Fun times.

    3. Re:Heh, seeing more and more of these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You aren't using your imagination. Information is intrinsically more valuable than "money".

      You could force the company to release source code (Windows 7!)

      Or you could get them to announce something publicly that you can take advantage of in the stock market. Think specially crafted insider trading.

      There are a lot more possibilities than some cheesy "numbered account" scheme.

    4. Re:Heh, seeing more and more of these by Coppit · · Score: 1

      In grad school we had an NSA guy give a talk. He remarked that some banks have ponied up in the situation you described.

    5. Re:Heh, seeing more and more of these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well there ya go, it's only difficult if you want to collect and spend the money! You could force em to burn the money or give it to charity! ...but why you'd want to do that with money is completely beyo.... nevermind...

  38. don't underestimate the importance of this incompi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another great example of how security is not being monitored or taken serously. Also breaches don't get investigated or resolved and happen again and again. It's atounding people trust goverments to look after thier data.

    Don't worry though, only the proffessional criminals can get your data. The part time hackers like Gary McKinnon take all the credit

    I understand the US can extradigh UK citizens without having to provide evidence... When was that democratically decided... WHF?

  39. Re:Goddamn commie bastards !! by tekiegreg · · Score: 1

    Well a badly configured server in any platform gets hacked, I'm not necessarily blaming Microsoft in particular, let's let the facts come forward; but this is Slashdot, and no I'm not new here :-)

    Seriously a high value server such as that really should have been behind a proxy like ISA Server to the Internet, oooh if I only could have configured their server...

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  40. Sounds like a bunch of hooey by hwyhobo · · Score: 1

    Backups gone missing? Right. This is a department of health. They are subject to endless regulatory compliance requirements, including detailed procedures on backups and storing of same. The only possible concern might be a release of the data to the public.

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    1. Re:Sounds like a bunch of hooey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ptttht....having worked for both DOD and healthcare, you'd be amazed at some of the braindamages I've seen, recommended fixing and was refused for whatever reason or another. A piece of paper requiring me to keep a tidy IT department doesn't necessarily mean I know how, or will...

  41. Re:State control - hell, no by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    It's the doctors who are the drug pushers. Without them the public wouldn't have a fraction of the dangerous chemicals they're shoving into their faces as we speak.

    Speaking of which, you might tell your own pusher to cut the crack with something other than meth. Your paranoia is starting to show.

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  42. How vulnerable to a competent hacker? by Glass+Goldfish · · Score: 1

    If this guy's a big of an idiot as you say he is (your logic is pretty accurate), what is the threat level of a competent hacker? Someone who knows what they're doing and isn't going to grandstand. It's pretty clear that there are very poorly defended databases with valuable information. I wonder what percentage of Slashdotters have already had their data stolen? Not from their secure system, but from a lowest bid security system. You can use Linux all you want, but the people who hold your private information are using unpatched Windows.

  43. i have your shit! by cathector · · Score: 1

    hah! nice Burn After Reading reference.
    i expect this will become the hallmark phrase of data ransom notes everywhere.

  44. I store my porn in my work folder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I store my porn in my work folder you insensitive clod!

    j/k :)

  45. The real ransom note... by PeeShootr · · Score: 1

    All your prescriptions are belong to us.

  46. Consider the Source by DynaSoar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "replaced the homepage with a ransom demand."

    What was discovered was vandalism -- an altered web page and deleted data. There's no evidence besides the vandals' word that anything was downloaded. The same source claims the backups were missing, and that they wanted ransom for return of the data. This is Rx tracking data, not financial or personal ID data.

    If it had been personal data, and it'd been downloaded by real ID thieves, they would NOT have notified the world of the event immediately (in fact, while in progress) by defacing the site. They'd have wanted to get away clean and sell off the data if possible before the theft was noticed. And they'd have sold it rather than proving their stupidity by demanding ransom. If they couldn't sell it they'd trash it rather than risk getting caught.

    The site collects data from Rx dispensing sites across the state. All the data exists elsewhere, making the claim of no backups irrelevant. This site simply puts in one place what's spread out and not commonly available, so other dispensing sites can know whether someone's getting too much controlled prescription meds. Everything that was deleted can be re-obtained from the same places it was gotten all along.

    The incident is a HIPAA violation. The FBI investigates those as well as computer security issues, explaining their presence in light of the fact that no real damage was done. If it were an inside job, it wouldn't have been done because nothing of value was to be gained from that particular collection of data, and an insider would know that. From the inside there are far more valuable collections of data that could be had from that system, such as payment records for license fees of registered Virginia health professionals.

    The presence of the FBI and the "neither confirm nor deny" response of Va DHP, and those facts being realted by WP, makes it seem like there's a story here. Not hardly.

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  47. Re:Goddamn commie bastards !! by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

    IIS5? That's Windows 2000. almost 3 generations behind the current version. No wonder. The security differences between IIS5 and 6 are massive. IIS6 and 7 has yet to have any serious vulnerabily found in it, while IIS5 was swiss cheese.

    Also, Windows 2000 is in "extended" support phase, which means it doesn't get anything but the most critical security patches, and even that will stop next year.

    Anyone still using Win2k on a computer connected to the internet deserves what they get.

  48. Mod parent up. ;-) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish I hadn't used all my mod point yesterday. Damn.

  49. Re:Goddamn commie bastards !! by Xaedalus · · Score: 1

    Mod parent up. Although he expressed anti-MS sentiment, he also asked a good question.

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  50. Does he pass the Hakcer Intelligence Test? by Tolvor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Time for the Hacker Intelligence test

    It's easy to break something. It's much harder to completely cover the evidence of who is responsible.

    Question 1 - Why did the hacker target the Virginia Health Department?? That wouldn't be a site that most hackers would even think about much less target for major intrusion. Did the hacker in question cover his tracks as to why he chose this obscure site? Might he have been familiar with it because it tracks potential perscription drug abuse, and he had been flagged for further investigation before? Does he have a history with this company?

    Question 2 - Did he cover his visits? Few people can find a potential site, explore the site for vulnerabilities, get access to the site, explore the internal structure of the site, devise an attack plan, code it, execute it, and get out in just one sitting. It usually requires several sessions, each time gaining more access and having better intelligence. The last visit can be covered up, but did he cover up the logs of the first few times when he didn't have complete control, and his tracks and actions may still be in an access log?

    Question 3 - What methodology did he use to gain access? Having access to the database (and backups) to the degree that an encryption command can be executed would be difficult. It requires the ability to execute several commands remotely on the server. Were these commands given thru web-page vulnerabilities? Did it require log-in credentials, and if so, whose? Did access require special in-house knowledge, and if so, who knew it?

    Question 4 - Where did he do this from, and what is his IP address? Hiding your IP address is next to impossible and there are multiple logs kept of access, including by the ISP. Did he do this from home? (If so, FAIL) Did he do this from a public wireless access point? If so did he cover his tracks there? (It's amazing where they put surveillance cameras nowdays) Anonymizer services will usually hand over the original IP addresss if requested by federal authorities, so that isn't going to work. Did the hacker consider that?

    Question 5 - Where is he checking that yahoo address from? See question 4.

    Question 6 - Is he using a different computer now? If I wanted to be really sneaky I'd ask yahoo to check not only the Yahoo cookie when someone logs into that account, but *also* get the Google one also, and 10 others. Send the cookies to the relavent companies for the data it contains. Is he using a fresh computer to erase tracks left there?

    Question 7 - Did he cover up his phrasing carefully from others he used pubicly? Phases like "Uhoh" "gladly" "not to pony up" "Fucking Bunch of Idiots" "bettin'" "drop me a line" "to have gone missing, too" (weird extra comma here and other places) seem to be rather unique. Some of it can be faked, but the phrasing we use says a lot about us.

    Question 8 - How is he planning on collecting the money? Most people think international banks (Caymen islands is common) is the answer. No. Most countries/locations (ex Caymen islands) have easy business registration/taxation rules, but are poor choices for trying to stash/launder money. It's not easy collecting large amounts of money. Does the hacker have a plan on how to collect that money?

    Question 9 - Is he going to revisit the scene of the crime? Is he checking the internet news sites to find stories about m^Hthis crime? Is he going to give himself away by visiting such a site (like Slashdot) and visiting, leaving his IP address. Who knows, maybe he'll even gladly, comment. ;)

    Comments can be left at hackingforprofit(the at sign)gmailcom. Drop me a line. ;)

    1. Re:Does he pass the Hakcer Intelligence Test? by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      Most of these issues are easily dismissed if the said hacker is operating from a country that routinely says "fuck off" when approached by US authorities. Say, Bulgaria. Even if they have an IP address (likely) it doesn't go anywhere if the ISP is far more interested in preserving the ability of criminals to operate than enabling law enforcement. This is the case with plenty of Eastern European and Asian ISPs.

      If the guy is operating out of his basement in the US, his ISP will probably not shield him and he is going down. If he collects the money and runs out to buy a Ferrari, he is going down. If he brags on hacker IRC channels, he is going down.

      But a pretty smart guy outside the US with a friendly ISP might be able to get away with it, if he understands international banking and uses the right bank. Or enlists the help of larger criminal organizations.

    2. Re:Does he pass the Hakcer Intelligence Test? by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Question 9 - Is he going to revisit the scene of the crime? Is he checking the internet news sites to find stories about m^Hthis crime? Is he going to give himself away by visiting such a site (like Slashdot) and visiting, leaving his IP address. Who knows, maybe he'll even gladly, comment. ;)

      Comments can be left at hackingforprofit(the at sign)gmailcom. Drop me a line. ;)

      Heh.

      I'd ask yahoo to check not only the Yahoo cookie when someone logs into that account, but *also* get the Google one also, and 10 others

      I'm afraid that if you actually were the cracker in question, your ignorance of the HTTP protocol would mean you are definitely screwed.

      All browsers isolate cookies by domain. When your browser requests a page on the Yahoo site, Yahoo does not ask for a cookie - rather, the browser includes it in the request. Naturally, it sends only Yahoo's own cookie, and takes care not to leak any information about the cookies of other websites. :)

      You could, of course, ask Yahoo for the IP address and then ask Google etc. to find this IP in their log. But you can't get cross-site cookies.

  51. One more downside to the War on Drugs. by jcr · · Score: 1

    I don't want my medical records in the hands of incompetent state bureaucrats. If they have some actual need to know, they can get a fucking warrant to find out.

    -jcr

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    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  52. War on Drugs by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

    Just another negative consequence of the "War on Drugs".

    Also, I can't my a single box of pseudoephedrine without giving Walgreen's my driver's license number. Now THAT'S some bullshit.

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    With the first link, the chain is forged.
  53. There should be a licensing for IT mangers that fo by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    There should be a licensing for IT mangers that forces them to have real tech skills and knowledge.

  54. No where does it say anything.... by Publikwerks · · Score: 1

    ...About swine flu. How does the pandemic play into all of this? Did the sysadmin have it? Did the firewall catch it, and is now quarantined in China? Jesus man, don't you know WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE?!?!

  55. Re:Goddamn commie bastards !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was a valid question, but the fact that they had to ask it means they can't even back up their first statement

  56. The Security? by octaene · · Score: 1

    Sandra Whitley Ryals, director of Virginia's Department of Health Professions, declined to discuss details of the hacker's claims, and referred inquires to the FBI. "There is a criminal investigation under way by federal and state authorities, and we take the information security very serious," she said.

    Nice grammar, chump. `I'm not on the email. I don't trust the email.`

  57. the real hit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Each record constitutes a HIPPA voilation, so the company is looking at a $10,000 fine for each one. That means the ransom is nothing compared to the $80,000,000 in fines they could be facing.

  58. The Money Trail by earlymon · · Score: 1

    Here's how I see the money trail playing out, in order of increasing cash, if this isn't some incredible hoax:

    1. The hijacker gets $10MM
    2. Various people not only find various lawsuits to exploit the situation, some are unique enough for big wins, moderated down by the vast proportions of controlling lawsuit funding involving a potential 8MM clients
    3. The hijacker gets caught, most of the money is recovered, what isn't is left to the cronies or others
    4. Whomever catches him is in for raises and promotions that affect lifetime earnings
    5. Among the many hopefuls who start, someone is clever enough to write a truly novel about the incident, be it a report or a fictionalization based on the event.
    6. And if all that comes to pass, and the event does gain sufficient national fear-mindshare, then the Hollywood crowd that makes it into a thriller of any sort.

    And, if by the law that truth is stranger than fiction, you're the author or member of Hollywood that makes out on this by hearing about the idea here, first, then you'll owe me 10% as resource fee, negotiable by the proportionality of income. I just want to wet my beak, get a new TV and pay a few bills - I'm not greedy.

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    Pathological kinda promises Path + Logical - but instead, you get stuck with pathetic.
  59. Psych Meds. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until recently I took a drug called Lamictal. The drug's primary use is for treating bipolar disorder as a replacement for lithium. However, I am not bipolar.

    There are many things that a bipolar diagnosis disqualifies someone for. It's an instant disqualification from an FAA medical certificate, and in some places gun ownership.

    The last thing I want is an employer or creditor being able to see my prescriptions and jumping to that conclusion.

    1. Re:Psych Meds. by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      jumping to that conclusion So it is the erroneous interpretation of the data, not the public availability of the data, that is the actual problem. My argument would be that in this case you should be able to point to thousands of others that also take Lamictal and don't have bi-polar in order to defend yourself. But since that data is not publicly available, people are more likely to jump to conclusions when they snoop in your medicine cabinet, go through your trash, etc.

      Now, I can understand why somebody would not want their acyclovir (Zovirax) prescription to be public knowledge, but the fact is about 30% of the population has been infected with the incurable disease that this helps alleviate, including thousands of famous politicians and celebrities. Wouldn't it be a lot less embarrassing if it was public knowledge that so many others were taking it too? One possible objection is that a black market would develop for "embarrassing" drugs. However, a black market for prescription drugs already exists, and if you think your medical information is truly "private", you are deluding yourself. Somebody rich and powerful can always get access to that information -- so why not level the playing field, and let everybody have access to the info? Haven't you ever wished you could run a quick background check on potential dating partners before jumping into bed with them, only to find out later that they are both bipolar and HIV positive? Or maybe that's just me...

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      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  60. Re:State control - hell, no by phulegart · · Score: 1

    Paranoid or not, he is right.

    I mean, it was only recently that the drug companies were looked at closely, and were informed to cut back on the freebies that they have been pushing for decades on the doctors. Is it no surprise that when you would go see your doctor, and he was taking notes with a Pfizer pen on a Pfizer clipboard, and the whiteboard on the wall had a Pfizer logo... as did the lamp, and the stick-notes, and the pad of lined paper, his coffee mug, the jar that holds the tongue depressors, the tongue depressors themselves, the lollypop wrappers... was it any wonder you were prescribed a Pfizer drug? Not in the slightest.

    Of course, there are the Pfizer sponsored three-day seminars (fully paid for) that the Doctors get to attend, and practice getting rid of their Hook/Slice at. The regular lunches paid for by the Pfizer rep for the doctor and his staff... I do regular work at a cardiologist's office here in town. One of the Drug reps brought in a box of chocolates that required a handtruck to wheel into the office. Not one word of English was on that "box" of chocolates (french). I've been there when a rep brought in lunch for the Doctors and staff. Not a few plastic bags with takeout boxes... several waitstaff from the restaurant with actual places and silverware... and they stuck around to clean up as well.

    This was the norm up until very recently. It is still the norm in many places, it has just been cut back some when the Feds woke up and realized what was going on. So now a large portion of the perks are disposable. You might see fewer logos (although the charts and diagrams and even just the pictures on the walls are all Rep gifts) but that was just a switch away from leaving evidence of their gifts behind.

    However, it was in the Doctor's best interests to prescribe a drug to take care of a symptom. This was of course, instead of prescribing a drug to take care of the PROBLEM. A cold will take the same amount of time with or without drugs. Don't forget to take your decongestant, and your expectorant, and your anti-histamine though. Get rid of those nasty symptoms of the cold... leave the cold there. It was in the Doctor's best interests to prescribe a Pfizer drug if at all possible. This would keep his office stocked in all those extra materials he needs (pens, paper, clipboards, flashlights, etc, etc.)

    So, remember. Just because you are paranoid, does not mean they actually aren't out to get you.

    No links, no citations. You do your own research on this last one. The medical community has known for decades the effects of B17 on cancer. The earlier it is used, the more damage is repaired, and the less chance the cancer has of returning. There is no money in curing cancer though. Curing cancer would put half of the Medical Establishment out of business. Thus... there is no cure for cancer. Funny how animals in the wild don't get cancer. Sure, if we take animals out of the wild and put them in a zoo, alter their diet and habitat, some will develop cancer. But there is huge money in TREATING cancer. There is no money in curing it.

    So, back the fuck off with your implications that a crack and meth addled mind is the only kind that can see the drug companies, and therefore the doctors for what they really are.

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    "I love deadlines. I love the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." -D. Adams
  61. Re:State control - hell, no by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

    There is no money in curing cancer though. Curing cancer would put half of the Medical Establishment out of business.

    Bullshit. That implies that every advanced country in the whole world is in on the conspiracy. Go ahead and explain to me how planned economies like China and North Korea would rather allow their citizen-workers to die than to cure them so that they could get back to production.

    That's what you're really saying, after all: America is the only country capable of research, and every scientists in every company in America is in strict compliance with their cabalistic orders. Not one single biologist saw fit to leak a miracle cure before they were silenced. That's practically the definition of paranoid delusion.

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    Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
  62. Get a better tape drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard a story from the '70s of a similar situation. The tape drive's write head had gone bad and the backups were blank.

    The company replaced their tape drive with one that had a spare read head to do read-after-write verification in the hardware. Since the read-back was happening in parallel with the writes, this didn't take any additional time.

    Read-after-write verify won't help you if the backup software is backing up the wrong bits or if the tape is being stretched in a bad way after the verification but it will eliminate one point of failure.

    1. Re:Get a better tape drive by HiThere · · Score: 1

      In this case the tape drive HAD a read after write head, it's just that the backup software wasn't using it. (I know, that doesn't make any sense. But that's how it was explained to me.)

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  63. professionalism by evilmousse · · Score: 1

    the note is juvenile, this person is enjoying their hacker fantasy with no appreciation for the wrath they're bringing upon themselves. there is just no way that a person this cocksure and mouthy will refrain from making a mistake during this.

    i'd be a lot more afraid of something done discreetly and professionally. conversely, i'm already afraid of virginia state it administrators and their lack of professionalism.

  64. Windows doesn't kill, people do! by toby · · Score: 1

    you can't be treated because access to your online health records are down

    Well THAT problem has existed for some time.

    I'm waiting for the day when specifying Microsoft is an automatic termination. It's coming.

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    you had me at #!
  65. No reason to pay by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The hacker is an idiot. There is no reason to trust that the data he returns is correct. This is vital information, if any of the data has been tampered it could very easily be fatal.

    Unless the Virginia authorities have some way of verifying that the data hasn't been changed (unlikely, since they don't have backups), there's no point in paying the ransom at all.

  66. Regulation by Merdalors · · Score: 1

    You forgot Amateur ("Ham") Radio, which requires licensing to insure fair use of limited bandwidth resource.

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    Slashdot entertains. Windows pays the mortgage.
  67. Licencing Internet users by lsatenstein · · Score: 0

    I'm for it. I can recall when we had to buy a radio license, for the privilege or listening. Then a TV license to compensate the music industry from lost listening. So why not internet licensing. But will it allow us the unchoked downloads and bittorrents we need?

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    Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
  68. Coincidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably just a coincidence, but the recently appointed CTO and CIO of the United Sates both worked in the state of Virgina.

    Aneesh Chopra, (CTO) from wikipedia:
    "He currently serves as Virginiaâ(TM)s Secretary of Technology, having previously served as Managing Director for the Advisory Board Company, leading the firmâ(TM)s Financial Leadership Council and the Working Council for Health Plan Executives"

    Virginia.gov:
    "Prior to joining Governor Kaineâ(TM)s cabinet, Aneesh served as Managing Director with the Advisory Board Company, a publicly-traded *health care* think tank serving nearly 2,500 hospitals and health systems. He led the firmâ(TM)s Financial Leadership Council and the Working Council for Health Plan Executives, as well as assisted the launch of the firmâ(TM)s first business intelligence software solution, Compass."

  69. read-after write should be in firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The read-after write should be pretty much on automatic:
    All the backup software has to do is set a bit to turn it on, and get an interrupt when there is a mismatch or checking a status bit after the job completes.

    "Not using that feature" is either just plain dumb or pretending the feature doesn't exist.

  70. NO SHIT! Re:Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By your logic:
    Your lunch and dinner is tied to your job.
    Your clothing is tied.
    Your car and electronics are tied to your job. ....No shit! You only get what you work for.
    It's an investment return: You give a benefit to society, and society rewards you
    with a paper note to exchange your services for other's services, such as your:
    Clothing
    Medicine
    A Car
    Health care
    Food
    Etc....

  71. Re:NO SHIT! Re:Non-story? by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

    You make a good point. However, not having new clothes, a car or a cell phone generally doesn't cause epidemics of tuberculosis...

    Having *everyone* get preventative care is a benefit to society, far and above material possessions.

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    People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people :-D