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Wolfram Alpha vs. Google — Results Vary
wjousts writes "Technology Review has an article comparing various search results from Wolfram Alpha and Google. Results vary. For example, searching 'Microsoft Apple' in Alpha returns data comparing both companies stock prices, whereas Google top results are news stories mentioning both companies. However, when searching for '10 pounds kilograms,' Alpha rather unhelpfully assumes you want to multiply 10 pounds by 1 kilogram, whereas Google directs you to sites for metric conversions. Change the query to '10 pounds in kilograms' and both give you the result you'd expect (i.e. 4.536 kg)."
Karma be damned, but..
No one cares about a new search engine. Really, Google suits all my needs.
what if i type in "fastest search engine"?
I'm still unhappy with Google's conversion engine..
I still can't get it to convert FMDs to Libraries of Congress.
This specific example is not useful, but for other units it would make tons of sense and be more useful than the Google results if it produces an answer to a unit multiplication question rather than giving a link to a site that will do it. Often with extra features come extra ways to get silly answers, this is one I would be willing to live with.
Alpha is meant to interpret natural language to figure out an answer. "Microsoft Apple" and "10 pounds kilograms" aren't natural language questions or common phrases. Those would be keyword searches, which is what you'd type into Google. Try "Compare Microsoft to Apple" or "How many kilograms are in 10 pounds" and you'd be using Alpha more appropriately.
Each system is a tool. If you don't use the tool as described you won't get the results you're looking for.
Developers: We can use your help.
I've never heard of Wolfram Alpha, so I googled it. Then I thought: If this new search engine becomes popular, will I still use google as a verb? I'd hate to wolfram stuff.
Stupid "face off" story.
WA doesn't compete with Google.
WA works with structured data sets and natural language queries to come up with replies, Google searches the web. WA won't do shit with a query like "digital camera reviews", but Google will. Google won't do shit if asked to calculate answers based on statistics, WA will.
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Some argued that Wolfram is not exactly like Google, but regardless, I think competition in this space and elsewhere is a good thing. I know a lot of people like Google, I am one of them. But, to quote a relevant cliche, "absolute power corrupts absolutely". There has to be something or someone keeping profit driven enterprises honest, whether we're talking about search engines or operating systems...
Isn't this like comparing vi to MS Word? They're similar tools that can be used for similar tasks but really they're for very different purposes.
Does Wolfram do any better than google when you type "hot free porn videos". Will you be able to type "teenage pussy" without being bothered by some old deary who wants to tell you about the longevity of her pet cat?
Typing in "Cancer New York" could mean anything.
If you gave that question to a human they'd have no idea what your were looking for.
Why didn't he try asking the question he was trying to ask which was "What are the rates of cancer in new york?" or even just "Cancer rate in new york"
All his other searches are equally stupid.
"Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help."
What does this Kilgore Trout AC always link to on Youtube? I'm always too scared to click the link, since I'm at work.
Reminds me of when I was in France, and still having trouble understanding the spoken French language. I was talking to a guy who asked me, in translation, "Brothers, sisters, one, two, three?" It took me a while to figure out he wanted to know how many siblings I had. Dumbing down the question like that didn't help me understand him any better, it made it worse. Using correct French grammar and simply slowing it down would have been much more helpful.
I imagine Wolfram Alpha is like that.
Is Wolfram Alpha especially good in doing side to side comparisons (ex. from the article: "Microsoft Apple", "Stanford Harvard", "Utah Florida", "Utah Florida population")? Or why did the article test both engines with those queries?
I would have rather expected, complete questions that are nevertheless hard to answer (unless you know a source), such as:
1) "How many bull terriers are in the UK?"
Google: link to Bullterriers on Wikipedia and some dog clubs in the UK.
Wolfram: ???
2) "How many blind people live in the US?"
Google: first link to WikiAnsers (about 1 million, but without any references). Next links seem to be more serious, but difficult to get a real answer to that question (it depends on how you interprete "blind").
Wolfram: ???
3) "What is the color of a strawberry?"
Google: This confuses me, apparently it has many colors...
Wolfram: ???
4) Apparently we need to use a comparison question: "strawberry blackberry" ...
Google: I am getting hungry when I am following all those recipe links
(due up tomorrow)
Some might say that Mathematica, the source of my fortune, and A New Kind Of Science: A Brief History Of My Stupendous Intellect were ambitious projects. But in recent years I've been hard at work on a still more ambitious project: Wolfram Alpha.
Fifty years ago, people assumed that computers would quickly be able to handle all kinds of question. It didnâ(TM)t work out that way. But a few years ago, I realized that I was finally in a position to do it myself. As I'd always expected I'd have to, of course.
I had the crucial ingredients: Mathematica and A New Kind Of Science. And my truly massive intellect. With these, I had a language to compute anything and a paradigm for complexity from simple rules. And my spectacular brain, which is much more spectacular than anyone else's, as proven by me being rich as well as smart. Which is smarter: to be a professor, or to have all the professors pay you tribute? I think my net worth makes the answer clear.
But what about all the actual knowledge that we as humans have accumulated? I realized we needed to make all data computable as knowledge. Of course, natural language is incredibly difficult for computers. So we added the secret ingredient: my jaw-droppingly spectacular brain, undoubtedly the largest on Earth.
I'm happy to say that with a mixture of clever algorithms and heuristics, linguistic discovery and curation, and some casual Nobel-worthy theoretical breakthroughs in my spare moments, we've made it work. Itâ(TM)s going to be a website with one simple input field that gives direct access to my superlative brain, in its planet-sized glory.
Our pre-launch testers have been at work as well, and I'm dealing with all manner of queries in spare thought cycles while I jetset around the world, wowing the pitiful minds of gorgeous international supermodels before impregnating them with my superior genetic material. Let's just have a look at the query stream: "tits" "goatse" "mary whitehouse naked" "4chan" "tubgirl" "2girls1cup" "ITS OVER 9000 LOL" "desu desu desu desu"
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NO CARRIER
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The way units are generally written out "10 pounds kilograms" sounds like you are stating 10 lbs*kg which doesn't make any sense. The problem with these search engine comparisons is that the people reviewing htem usually have extremely narrow ideas of the results they want while these search engines are built for a very wide audience. I remember when there was an article about Cuil and the reviewer was pissed because the first result was about the United States mint and not the leaf.
In my AI class, "expert systems" were mentioned. There was an example of a system for diagnosing blood-borne pathogens. Basically, they programmed some computer to ask every question of the patient that a doctor would ask, and programmed the doctors' decision-making process into the app. It was exactly as accurate as the doctors were. This was in the seventies.
The book said that expert systems were largely abandoned, however, because the software was less efficient--it asked males if they were pregnant, for example.
Software has come a long way since the seventies. I think it's time we take another swing at expert systems. I applaud Wolfram for making an attempt. There is no question in my mind that expert systems which are limited in scope could be very successful.
A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
How about a test involving actual English-language questions and not just keywords? You know, like all those old tests from school that said "please use complete sentences". There is a reason languages have things like prepositions, adjectives and other parts of speech. They actually help put your communication into context.
Nobody knows what the hell you mean with "Cancer New York" because there is no context. How about "cancer statistics for new york" or "cancer treatment in new york"?
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
For the Americans in the audience, 1 £ kg = 3.33 $ lb.
I recommend not saying this aloud for it sounds very silly.
Alpha rather unhelpfully assumes you want to multiply 10 pounds by 1 kilogram
Actually, while I agree that is unhelpful, I also don't like the other assumption. Maybe I'm already growing old, but I don't mind if people actually say what they mean instead of speaking or writing in some kind of shortcut-verbs-are-too-expensive-so-I-leave-them-out abbreviated style and leave it to the listener/reader to decypher whatever it could possibly be they mean.
So if you want 10 pounds in kilograms, what exactly is the trouble with actually writing those three (counting the space) additional characters?
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
But when does it become self aware?
If you read his claim in a "New Kind of Physics" that cellular automata would completely change and improve physics. The volume was an exhaustive exploration of all possible rules for the basic 8-neighbor, rectangular planar automata. Some interesting, but not revolutionary results.
Wolfram = MOR FLAW
Somehow I have different expectations than the author about what some search terms should provide:
SEARCH TERM: Microsoft Apple
WA gives a comparison of stock prices. From TFA I conclude that's also what the author expected. I wouldn't expect that. If I were looking for stock prices, I'd add "stock" to the search term. With "Microsoft Apple" I'd expect to get some relations between Microsoft and Apple (where they compete, what the main differences are, maybe a comparison of market shares).
SEARCH TERM: 10 pounds kilograms
WA's interpretation is the most reasonable. After all, it's the standard way to denote multiplications (as in newton meters, ampere seconds or kilowatt hours). It would never have occured to me to omit the "in" even in Google.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
I expect something from Wolfram like the answer Google gives to this question:
How old is Demi Moore?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how+old+is+demi+moore&btnG=Search
At the top, you'll see text that says:
Demi Moore -- Age: 46 years (born November 11, 1962)
According to: (some source) [more sources]
This is the proper way of answering a question like that. I don't want just the answer. I want to know where the answer came from.
How many french died at the Battle of Agincourt?
I expect a number from Wolfram Alpha, as well as a cited source. There could also be, like Google, the option to choose other sources.
Eventually, this will all boil down to me driving in my car and saying, "Computer. Tell me: At what speed did Marty McFly need to drive to travel in time?"
"the result you'd expect"
I'd expect a kilo for 10 pounds.
Having to work for a living is the root of all evil.
search google for: "10 pounds in kilograms"
or "10 meter in inches"
this is the way i would formulate such questions.
And google knows me well ;-)
I'll reply to you.
I want a search engine for people who *DO* RTFA's.
Standard engines give you SEO'd junk.
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The results you receive querying any database will be as good as the input data. We are doing web page searches here correct? So if I just search "microsoft apple" those two words will appear billions if not trillions of times I'm sure. Is the web engine supposed to figure out intent from that? Give me a break. The page returns that Google is giving out are probably related to user behavior after a similar search and Alpha hasn't had enough time to build up that kind of data. The second one was stupid as well. Again, we are searching web pages. I doubt many pages exist converting 10 pounds to kilograms. If I want to convert something how about a more useful query like "converting pounds to kilograms" I found myself more annoyed by this story than I have been in a long while.
I want it for one thing, horse racing!
I'm disappointed that Google Maps can't get me directions from New York to Paris anymore. I kind of doubt WolframAlpha would ever have that sense of humour.
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
I can easily see about 80% of my "search engine" traffic going to Wolfram Alpha during the semester or during work hours. What about personal time? I can still see Wolfram Alpha replacing Google over half the time.
As the above post points out: a lot of the time I'm looking for specific data. I know what I want, just not where, when or how. Wolfram is best for this. If I don't know what I'm looking for, I'll still use Google because it automatically figures this stuff out for me when it turns out to be simple.
1=0x01
Just based on TFA, it looks like Wolfram could be a fun search tool, if you're looking for facts and trivia. Seems like most of the searches turned up facts as opposed to Google, which returns links to pages.
At the very least it might help in the "Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader" part..
The Wknd Sessions - Malaysian and South East Asia independent music
Type this into google:
Who is Jamie Lee Curtis' mother?
Look closely at the first entry.
---Technology will liberate us if it doesn't enslave us first.
Most search systems do well if you can find the "magic word", the word or phrase which nearly uniquely describes what you're looking for. When you're searching for something which is described with common words, not terms of art, search engines usually don't do well. That's where to test Alpha, which supposedly has some "understanding" of its data.
Here's an example of something I was doing today. I'm sketching out a design for a special-purpose DC-DC converter, something I haven't done before. I'm looking at a data sheet for a transformer, and at the rules for describing a transformer to LTSpice, a circuit simulator. LTspice wants a value K, the "coupling coefficient". The data sheet for the transformer has various numbers about the transformer, but not the coupling coefficient. How do I calculate the coupling coefficient?
It turns out that the magic words for answering this question are "leakage inductance". Once you know that, you can find the Wikipedia entry that gives the necessary conversion formulas, and calculate the coupling coefficient. Until you find the magic words, though, it's tough. If you just go looking for "coupling coefficient" in Google, you're directed to theory papers. "Leakage inductance" is the number that appears in data sheets, because it's directly measurable.
If Alpha can answer questions like "How do I compute the coupling coefficient for a transformer given the data sheet parameters?", it will be a nice capability.
Yet, if you put in the entire phrase "How do I compute the coupling coefficient for a transformer given the data sheet parameters?" as a query to Google, you get as a first result a paper on how to model a transformer in LTSpice given data sheet information, which is exactly the right result to return. The answer is in that paper, and it's a good paper. Google does better at this than one might expect.
Uh, excuse me, inventing the universe!
And I would debate that 8-neighbor cellular automata, even with fully understood rules, mean ANYTHING AT ALL, aside from a tedious exploration of a vaguely interesting rule of logic. "A new kind of science" might be right - a new kind of science that is irrelevant by all previous measures and tells you nothing useful about the physical nature of the universe.
Brett
What if Google announced that they killed a kitten for every search done on Google?
The Maps anime had a super-weapon called the "Sacrifice Cannon." It was a BF-blaster/raygun powered by the sheer cruelty and evil of destroying a pile of Pikachu-like creatures in a big blender. Yes, really, not making this up, that's exactly what it was, a big-ass raygun hooked up to a blender full of quasi-Pokemon.
How about Google Maps (anime)? I'd support Google implementing a holographic babe who is actually the ship's computer for a starship shaped like a huge-ass metallic winged babe. Then again, maybe we could have the "Will It Blend" guy in a black eyepatch as some sort of James Bond villain?
"Headshot!"
If you go to http://www.wolframalpha.com/
it says coming May 2009. Er, I call that uninformative. Its May 2009 now. So when in May 2009... very inexact.
I've never really studied the subject, but just have read what of the researchers Lee Smolin has said about it. Space, time, matter, energy, and force may be ultimately discete (atomic, local, quantized) at an extremely small scale. Smolin writes interesting pop science and philosophy books too.
differences found. Film at eleven.
It's a naked celebrity site! Why am I not surprised that typing into Jamie Lee Curtis into Google returns a naked celebrity site !
(yes, yes, I get it...)
A 'tribute' to Communism, which is rather a bog-standard critique of so-called Communist states. Doesn't talk about the inherent flaws of a communist system but instead talks about how evil Stalin was.
Valid point, mostly irrelevant, not worth watching. Nothing you won't have learned in highschool.
All intents and purposes. Not intensive purposes.
It couldn't answer who Jet Lee's father is though.
A video tribute to communism. Disappointing, since I was hoping for a rickroll :(
Curse that damnable Pigeonhole Man, with his rediculous[1] reason, logic, and mastery of written English!
Pigeons and fanboizen everywhere flee in terror!
[1] No, really? I thought it was spelled that way, this post contains no irony.
Honestly, we've been having "Google Killers," "Microsoft Killers," "Amazon Killers" and all of their kin-killers for so long now, that I'm surprised news sites aren't completely jaded.
I've been hearing about Wolfram Alpha for about a week now, and it is always the same thing: New site that may give Google a run for its money.
The same was said for... who was it? I can't remember. Let me go Google it.
Oh, that's right: Cuil. I don't have the desire to dredge the graves of all the other "killer" products.
What is with people tossing out all of these "killer" products? If your product is so great, it will generate its own power. When something is put forward so much, proclaimed as a "killer" product, people tend to yawn.
Put the product in the market, and come back in a year before it is so heavily trumpeted. Anything that is unreleased or in limited release that is touted as a "killer" product sounds questionable, at best, especially when the general public has not even heard of it yet. You know, the general public who gives a product its critical mass?
Yeah. When said critical mass is around, then you can call it a killer. Until then, the river flows on.
Calling a sword by a pretty name is no more than adding perfume to poison.
Hold on, hold on. Are you seriously telling me that two entirely different search engines return different answers when asked the same questions?
OH GET OUT.
The Maps anime had a super-weapon called the "Sacrifice Cannon." It was a BF-blaster/raygun powered by the sheer cruelty and evil of destroying a pile of Pikachu-like creatures in a big blender. Yes, really, not making this up, that's exactly what it was, a big-ass raygun hooked up to a blender full of quasi-Pokemon.
Yep, you're not making it up, I saw it too. And in the case of the biggest one they showed, "pile" doesn't even describe it. It's hard to say exactly, but I'm guesstimating that thing ground up around 100,000 cute fluffy critters every shot. It was about the only memorable thing about the show, really. And for reasons I can't quite explain, incredibly hilarious. Though I might want to keep that quiet in front of the jury.
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I don't think it's name is catchy enough, it doesn't out perform the competition by a long shot and quite frankly Google works. So I'm not seeing the reason I should use it.
Cuil is another search engine that wants to be the next greatest thing but I find it's results to be a bit rubbish on anything that isn't quite popular and I don't really care for the layout.
I hope companies keep trying to out do Google though. Someone will eventually do it.
Google for "definition of mathematical proof" (without the quotes). The #1 hit usually is a link to the site of a well-known usenet kook who thinks he's proved FLT, disproved the Rieman Hypothesis, proved P=NP, can factor numbers in constant time, and has found a contradiction in Galois theory (this is just a partial list of his accomplishments), and is being suppressed by a world wide conspiracy of mathematicians--whom he is soon going to take down by destroying the University system so they all lose tenure. He also suspects that many top mathematicians may be aliens (from space), trying to destroy humanity.
I don't have access to WolframAlpha, so have no idea what it would answer for "definition of mathematical proof", but I'd bet a large amount that it will not give a link to the aforementioned kook site.
Google is a web search engine. It's job, which it does very well, is to index the web, and to find sites that appear relevant to a query, and then rank those based on how important they appear to be judged by what other sites reference them. The users of the web find crackpots more interesting than mathematicians, so kook math sites rank high.
WolframAlpha is not a web search engine. It's job is to work with a large database of data that was collected and vetted by people for accuracy, and use that database to derive answers to questions.
You can't meaningfully compare Google and WolframAlpha, because what they are meant to do is so different.
I must have watched too much of the Buffyverse - when I see this name I think of the evil corporation in Angel - Wolfram & Hart.
I can see it now, for the price of your soul you can always find the correct answer to your searches.
"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."
Welcome to the Panopticon. Used to be a prison, now it's your home.
According to the makers' description, Wolfram Alpha is capable of answering questions that have never been asked before. There's only one question I want to ask of it: "When will Wolfram Alpha become self-aware?"
I'm disappointed after trying the above search and getting back pictures of young birds in a nest being fed worms.
According to the Wolfram Alpha agreement all that is on the internet now belongs to Wolfram Research.
Google Results are becoming CRAP anyway
Search for "mud" and see what u get
Google is crap coz if u search for "Best search engine" you get DOGPILE!!! surprise surprise talk about SEO and algorithms
Search for anything and all u get in th 1st page(s) is a load of junk apam BUY this Buy that from here etc..
i think their dumb algorithms are overhyped and over-rated
the market is wide open for the search for a TURING machine
All Google had was a golden chance to get financed in the dot.com bubble peak
at the thime any idiot could have gotten money from many idiots to do any crap on the internet