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Backlash Builds Against US Copyright Blacklist
An anonymous reader writes "The release last week of the US copyright blacklist is beginning to generate a backlash in countries around the world. Reports from Canada, Europe, and Asia all note that the US claims are very suspect and that the report is little more than an attempt to bully dozens of countries into following the US DMCA model."
does that mean if I copy and be right but I get backlashed?
The USA bully another country? Never..
What will they do if we dont adopt the evil DMCA? Steal our lunch money? With the 10Trillion+ deficit over there you'll need it.
Nothing to see here, folks. Move right along.
Seriously, there's nothing here. Countries will always try to vilify other countries in order to satisfy their own interests. The Axis of Evil is a pretty good example.
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I do not think there is anything surprising about that conclusion that the entire thing is an attempt to force other countries into "compliance"
Hm, I wonder why other countries don't want a DMCA style law, could it be that the DMCA is effectively killing the US software/hardware market? Why do we see so many (innovative and clone) products from China? Because they don't have the stupidities of US patent and copyright laws. Imagine the marketplace being flooded with choices, of phones that can do as much as the iPhone, yet cost hundreds less (unlocked of course) and including features not currently found in most phones (open hardware*, dual-sim slots, etc). The USA could easily be first in the technology market, if our lawmakers weren't in the pocketbooks of the RIAA, MPAA and other backwards lobby groups.
*Well, perhaps open hardware is the wrong word, but basically hardware that if off-the-shelf, contains very little proprietary components and can be easily studied/modified.
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
We seem to continue operating under the false assumption that we are still the biggest dog on the block.
After effectively skewering the financial system, starting a couple wars, and heaven knows what else we still expect to be taken so seriously.
I recognize we still have the most bombs, but when or country acts like a petulant child it's still tough to be serious about it. It isn't leading the world, it isn't change. It's thinly veiled fascism.
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I'm waiting for the first ground war based solely on copyright. And if you don't think that's going to happen someday, then you have no idea how corporate America rules the politicians...
I'm waiting for the first ground war based solely on copyright.
You mean like Operation Fastlink and other raids on the warez scene?
Meet the new boss......... Same as the old boss.
If I were God, wouldn't I protect my churches from acts of me?
One of the reasons these countries are developing a good IT infrastructure is due to software piracy. Any student with the slightest interest can pick up any software whatsoever, be it Tally, Photoshop or MS Excel, and learn by themselves. And businesses obviously have cost benefits in using something for free. Why would a developing economy hamper it's businesses by forcing them to use original software? It might help the bigger companies, the ones who make the software, but will affect the small and medium sized businesses negatively. And in the end, the software companies that do get the benefit are American, and not local businesses.
According to the original article, this is a routine annual report listing who we are happy with or unhappy with concerning copyright and such. There's also no mention of DMCA. Evidently, countries come and go off these lists all the time. It's just a way for the USA to communicate what it does and doesn't like about other countries behavior. It's called diplomacy. How does anyone get "blacklist" out of this?
By the way, it mentions that North Korea was taken off the bad-boy list. Does anyone really think North Korea instituted a DMCA-like law?
Who would have had this report written up over months or even years, would it.
Who said "the best way to have lots of good ideas is to have lots of ideas"?
If China have 10x the output of ideas but only 3x the number of crap ones, you can say "they have more crap ideas". But then again, they have many more good ideas.
Heck, if the US have only one idea and that one is a good one, it's 100% hit rate.
If china have 0.1% hit rate but 10,000 ideas (because they don't have to worry about someone having patented something that can be argued as being infringed by it) that is still 10x the number of ideas the US has.
The world is obviously growing tired of a noisy, broke, bullying USSA as it vacilates choosing between a Nazi America and a Soviet America, hellbent on "decarbonizing" an already cooling planet and charging for every thought or memory.
You are under NO obligation to publish stuff. If you want to keep your precious work and not have anyone else have a copy, don't fucking release it, doucheweenie.
Artists definitely deserve their dues when it comes to creative artwork... but when their work generates revenue for 70+ years after it's creation for a corporation and not the artist, there's something seriously wrong.
Finally an article on Slashdot where a librarian can weigh in with professional knowledge. I don't think enough people realize the mini-war going on in the publishing industry and how those vulture are trying to bleed everyone dry. I am a college librarian at a major university in Manhattan. Today I had to attend a meeting about copyright compliance. It seems that publishers are no longer satisfied with overcharging for every textbook and then overcharging again when a "new" edition (almost identical version except for a new graph or intro) comes out the very next year. Now they would like us to purchase a new copyright compliance software that will allow them to monitor (through the middlemen in the software company) how many times we upload any part of any published material and how many times the students access each pdf or document, and then charge us for every use even thought we have already purchased the book and been using that same material for years. Its nuts. Fair use and common long standing practices by many academic libraries used to mean to us that we could put up 10% of any published document and not have to worry. And i know the diligent followers of Slashdot are not surprised but this type of thuggish shake down. But its almost criminal the nerve these jackals have to try to penny pinch and financially gouge the very universities that are their life blood in this struggling market. Very rarely does a librarian threaten to burn books, but it would be a better use of em that paying those publishing bastards another cent.
Test me and I will chronicle your pain - The Archivist (Diablo 3)
That's no wool over your eyes, you trailer trash, it's the blinding flash of The One's halo.
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
Even if the artist was still benefiting, 70+ years is absurd. The whole reason copyright and patents were originally conceived was to encourage new works and promote innovation.
Now, thanks to companies like Disney (the absolute worst when it comes to this issue) lobbying to protect their archives, we have the exact opposite happening... copyright and patents are now stifling innovation and preventing new works and inventions.
I'm all for being rewarded for your intellectual creations, but if you wrote one song 30 years ago, is it in the best interest of society for the government to continue to protect that for you? No. The interest of society is better served if you are encouraged to create new works and let others build upon your foundation. That was the whole idea.
It's all been horribly perverted, and is only going to get worse because ultimately, the people that benefit have more money and are more highly motivated than the general public.
I'd say the ideal target should be in the neighborhood of 10-20 years (tops) and then either create something new or find a different job.
Other countries are just like regular people!
You tell somebody, anybody they're wrong, no matter how much evidence you have, no matter how right you are, they're far more likely to protest than do anything to respond to your concerns.
Yeah, that's right, the accusations of bullying? Are just the same kind of thing you'd expect whether the concerns in the report are justified or not.
Sorry, but this sort of bickering isn't going to change minds, it's just going to lead to further entrenchment.
Sounds fantastic! Culture should stagnate and die just because leeches don't compensate the artists for their work!
So it really took this long for other countries to rise up against DCMA/ RIAA/ MPAA organizations trying to essentially rule the world via their crappy media?
Well, I think it's only appropriate to reserve judgement to see if they actually follow-through on their 'backlash'.
If so, I applaud those countries. No stupid movie, song, or video game is worth violating another countries sovereignty over. In fact, I would go as far as to say the suggestion of that is absurd.... and yet that is the model of this century thus far.
Let's see if Sweden gets its head out of its subservient ass, since it is currently in the midst of giving the American lead DCMA a virtual hand-job.
I am open source, and Linux baby!
You're right. Special 301 reports are not "copyright blacklists." They deal with IP in general, and in past years have focused heavily on pharmaceutical patents (eyes on Thailand, Brazil, India, etc.). This one is a bit toned down in that respect, actually.
Anyone who is familiar with the USTR's reports will find this somewhat unremarkable - well, except with the elevation of Canada.
"Anyone who [rips a CD] is probably engaging in copyright infringement." - David O. Carson
did anyone actually read the links? i'd hardly characterize the first linked article as "backlash"...and i'd hardly call the complaints in the second link "european", unless mr. geist has abandoned the great white north in favor of the continent...
but i guess it makes for a better read when the whole thing sounds scandalous.
after reading the cited articles, it sounds more like no one is particularly surprised, nor concerned that they made the list...
Just once I'd like to see the European Union Parliament issue a joint resolution to the White House:
"Fuck off."
How about
You will tell the president that we're disinclined to acquiesce his request.
......that the poster not link to another bloody slashdot page when they can just link to the freaking document itself?
I can understand why someone would consider using the atomic crimes to be terrible crimes against humanity. There's nothing strange or inconsistent about thinking that; you probably think war==crime. I happen to disagree, but that's totally beside the point; I can still respect your opinion and refrain from writing you off as a nut, because you really probably aren't one.
But to say they were some of the most terrible crimes against humanity, just doesn't make sense. Whether I agree about them being crimes or not, that's wacked out.
What was so special about the atomic bombs compared to other wartime killings? The number of people killed or injured, while very high, wasn't as high as many non-nuclear bombings. And in terms of the overall deaths of WW2, they were nearly insignificant. Sure, not insignificant if you happened to live in Nagasaki, but I mean from an objective viewpoint that includes everyone from Paris to Dresden to Stalingrad to Tokyo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYSYipouABI
and yes, I am Canadian.
If I were God, wouldn't I protect my churches from acts of me?
we americans aren't sabre rattling or coming to conclusions about ANYTHING too soon, so pipe down...
if we have problems with other countries adopting the DMCA, we'll bomb that bridge when we get to it.
Good people go to bed earlier.
er... um... how can I tell you this... that 70+ years is actually the rest of the author's life PLUS another 70 years (to benefit their descendants). Or 95 years for works for hire (such as anything created by a corporation).
GLaDOS for President 2016! "Well here we are again. It's always such a pleasure." -- GLaDOS, 2011
yeah because the guy that built my house still gets paid for that despite it being >50 years old?
IranAir Flight 655 never forget!
I know it is not in the last century but you have forgotten one of their major victories - they did win the American civil war.
If North Korea nukes Hawaii with their fun new toys, do you think the man in the street over there will have any luck saying "It was just Kim fooling around, go after him"? Not bloody likely, Pyongyang and all its innocent civilians will be a smoking hole in the ground within hours. Your last president had the power and claimed the right to grab me off the street, torture me, and ship me off to whatever hellhole he felt like, with no recourse (c.f. Maher Arar). Your government, your problem - and if the ballot box isn't working for you - there are other boxes...but it *is* your problem.
In other news, Disney corporation made about 3 million dollars yesterday from Winnie-the-Pooh merchandising, as it has every single bloody day since copyright law was changed to prevent Pooh from entering the public domain in 2001.
Backlash, meet billions. Billions, backlash.
With politicians voting the winner.
Guess what...
Bear beats backlash without mussing a hair.
This would not have worked for one simple reason -- there were only TWO BOMBS AVAILABLE. It would be many months before more would have been made. There were none to spare on "warning shots".
It could be argued that the second bomb should have been deferred to see if the first one alone would have the desired effect (surrender), but the second bomb wasn't so much to break Japan as it was to intimidate the USSR. That's the real crime -- that Japan had to pay for a pissing match between two allies.
Mal-2
How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
but its not 70 years after its creation. its 70 years after the artists death.
if an artist creates something when he is 20 years old, then lives to be 80, his work is under copyright for 150 years.
if copyright expired 70 years after a work's creation, the RIAA would likely be killing off the artists after they made a few hit singles. no more royalties, and they could cash in on the cobain/tupac effect.
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(A) and (B) are if you can't pay your taxes. (C) is only if you knowlingly lie on your tax return (known as "fraud"). The really damnable thing about the IRS is not what you mention, but the fact that they are the one organization that does not need to get a court judgment against you. You are basically guilty until proven innocent with the IRS.
Similar to the upcoming US election results
The GP was replying to an even worse flamefest jingoistic troll from the GGP that was advocating military attack and bombings by the USA on Europe. While the GP was a twit for feeding the trolls, he does have a point about US over-reliance on air superiority and its historical difficulties in imposing peace on restive populations with anything less than a nuclear threat.
Yeah there's a lot of good Americans like you. There's also a majority of uninformed manipulable voters who re-elected Bush in 2004 when, for anybody who made a minimal effort to be informed, it was already pretty clear what a disaster he was. Were you righting letters to the editor how the "You're with us or against us" rhetoric was counterproductive? As long as those like you let the others get away with what they did, then your country continues to be a risk to everyone else. That's the bottom line as far as anyone outside the USA is concerned.
What has to happen is that people like you have to fundamentally change the system to get rid of the duopoly. Start at the state level and start a new party to change a) the state election laws to provide more proportional representation and b) remove the barriers to entry for parties that enforce the duopoly at the state level. Since you can't succeed as a one issue party, also run on a platform of fiscal responsibility. Not only is that a good idea generally, but you'll also get a good shot at picking up the large number of ex-Republican fiscal conservatives that are disgusted with the religious/neocon hijacking of their party but think the libertarians are dangerous loons. You'll also have an edge with moderates. Avoid social issues by saying that you need to fix the political system to get the country healthy first, and that the new system will make it easier for the policy to reflect what the country really wants. Sell the concept that what you're angling for is a freer market of ideas rather than the public policy cartel that currently exists.
If enough good people in enough states do that, then you can break the gerrymandering and the party machine support that enforces the duopoly at the national level. Cut off their air at the state level and you open the door at the national level.
Right now the Republicans are the ones with the low approval ratings, and if they keep on shifting right in response, that's not going to improve. At some point in the next ten years, the Democrats are going to get overconfident and ripe with corruption. That will happen in spite of the genuinely good people in the party because wherever the power is, the corrupt will congregate and infiltrate that power structure by co-opting the few who are corruptible and spreading from there. When dissatisfaction with both parties is high, you will have a window of opportunity to make real change to the way people are elected. You need to lay the groundwork for that now. It will be a lot of hard work, but you can do it, legally, without a gun, or a drop of shed blood. If you're in a state like California or Washington where you can get a private Proposition on the ballot, do so in 2012 to jump start the process as far as possible within the proposition framework. You might even be able to get Arnie and other celebrities on board to help sell it since the Governator seems to have frustrations with the current system.
But if you give in to fatalism and say "I can't do it. It's out of my hands so don't blame me," then you are part of the problem and deserve part of the blame, even if that blame is less than that of the jingoistic twits like the GGP.
Wolfgang Pauli or Paul Dirac?
Apparently it was neither but Linus Pauling instead. I like the quote but can't say much for your research, which doesn't augur well for having good ideas :-).
Laissez lire, et laissez danser; ces deux amusements ne feront jamais de mal au monde. - Voltaire
Yes, because culture didn't exist before copyright and Artists don't earn money from live performances.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
The Consumers International IP Watch List is a counter-USTR 301 Report, released simultaneously, which lists countries according to our friendly their IP laws are to consumers, rather than how strongly those laws benefit creators. On this list, interestingly, the US is listed in the same company as China and India, countries which it strongly criticises in its 301 Report! The worst of all countries in the Consumers International list is the United Kingdom.
I once held the same opinion as yourself, that a right to weaponry is outdated for our times. However, I had a debate on the subject with someone a little wiser than myself, and managed to change my point of view. If it were not a right to own firearms, legislation will eventually make thei ownership illegal. Now, it happens very slowly, though taxes, permits, restrictions, etc., but eventually you have an unarmed an pacified population. The citizens need firearms as a method of keeping the government in check via threat of revolution. If you think *this* is an outdated concept, well then, maybe you have been fooled.
Europe and Asia are NOT countries, and never will be!
Get it in your head, before I come and beat it in.
What an insult...!
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
Europe, in fully thespian hero voice " I am not a country I am a free continent! " (ditto for Asia)
Isn't it funny that the United States government has gone after so many corporations, accusing them of abusing positions of dominance in markets to create monopolies, when in fact that same government - and Americans collectively as a nation - have been guilty of the exact same monopolistic behaviors, perpetrated against the rest of the world? The United States has been abusing its economic position to "export" its economic values and system for many decades. In fact, that exportation is more coercive and extortionate than it is consensual: "you style your economy and trade laws after our own, to protect OUR interests and desire to profit from YOUR citizens, or we won't do business with you".
Oh, and THEN there was the Iraq War(s).
It's about time the United States Government itself was indicted on anti-trust charges. It has violated all the "trust" the American people have ever placed in it. Actions speak louder than words: this is an industrialist-dominated capitalist economy first and a democracy a distant second. Those decades of coercion, the Iraq War, and now this unsurprising revelation about yet more economic browbeating. So-called intellectual property law is one of the key aspects of that monopolistic behavior.
Forget about impeaching just Bush and Cheney... we need to impeach the entire American government, retroactively back to at least the early 1900s, and the entire American people for quietly condoning this and turning a blind eye. This is an entire nation guilty of monopolistic behavior, and using both the might of our economy AND our military to enable it.
Corporations hold a copyright for 120 years after its creation or 95 years after its publication, whichever comes first.
The government wants to keep a debt going, that way they can justify newer taxes and spending. Without a debt they can't (easily) claim that they need money, as there would be a surplus of money and everyone would know it. Besides, since everyone in DC is used to having the debt and driving it lower, even if we got a surplus, that would just get spent in the blink of an eye thanks to pork barrel spending and we'd be in debt again by the billions.
The cost of copyright enforcement should be billed to these "artists"
In previous generations, we kept them on the brink of starvation and gave them table scraps from patrons to survive.
Now, they control our policemen and legal system.
Let's ban artists. Seriously, have you met an artist? Most of them are drug users and smelly.
Actually, slashdot hosts a variety of opinions on copyright privileges and the GPL.
It says more about you than anybody else that you are in denial about that simple fact.
If only people would pay for what they download, instead of stealing and then complaining about being chased!!!!!
Theft is theft
AE
When have you known a lawyer to be honorable? They now get paid by the Government AND big media.
The typical "someone else will pay them" justification used by pirates. You don't deserve to have their music for free just because you hope someone else will buy a concert ticket.
That's really stupid.
Digital copies and other convenient copy methods didn't exist before copyright, you idiot. You HAD to buy unique copies of stuff or go see a performance. Your argument falls apart with simple logic.
I love how Slashbots are anti-copyright without realizing that the GPL relies on copyright. It's a copyright license.
"Sufferin' succotash."
The typical "I don't understand how artists currently make money and just want to push my uninformed viewpoint response".
Artists already do not make money from record sales, the make their money from merchandise sales and live performances, in order for a fan to buy a concert ticket or band T-Shirt then they already need to be a fan. From the Artists perspective they already give their records out for free in order to get people to come to their concerts and buy T-Shirts, Car Stickers and so on. The Artists aren't making any money from record sales.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Then try to control Canadians. You haven't learned the meaning of insurgence yet. Why don't you fix your dying nation instead of flinging poop everywhere? How stupid are you people? USA. What a fucking joke that has become.
...paid by the lobbyists -- the biggest bullies in the world just got bigger...