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Soccerbots Learn How To Fall Gracefully

wjousts writes "Up until now, most work with humanoid robotics has focused on keeping them upright and balanced, but in the real world, falling down is inevitable. So now researcher in Chile are looking at teaching their Soccerbots how to fall down gracefully to minimize damage and allow for a quick recovery. According to a New Scientist article, 'They found that one of the main ways to minimise damage is for the robot to fold its legs underneath it. Among other things, that means the robot is much less likely to hit its head on the ground. Another good strategy is to use a fall sequence consisting of several movements, so the falling body has several points of contact with the ground, spreading the energy of the impact over a large number of joints, rather than taking it all in one disastrous crunch.'"

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  1. Fail gracefully? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Funny

    You've obviously never seen soccer.

    The bot will tap into the bot with the ball, then proceed to spin at full speed until it lets some smoke out of the IC. Look around to see if anyone saw it and continue playing.

    1. Re:Fail gracefully? by syousef · · Score: 4, Funny

      Fall gracefully, as in like a 3rd rate theatre actor playing Hamlet that staggers about for 5 minutes and gets up 3 more times to exaggerate the death.

      Not Fail gracefully, as in take out a bank or two but still get $100 million in severance while everyone who worked for you is turfed out on the street without even their entitelments.

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  2. Even more life-like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    They can take a dive, just like real soccer players!

    1. Re:Even more life-like by LunarEffect · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, that was my first thought when I read this, too. It would be pretty interesting to see a robot intelligent enough to cheat without people noticing!

    2. Re:Even more life-like by ByteGuerrilla · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sweet. Then we can give Cesc Fabregas an 'I failed the Turing Test' shirt.

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  3. This is great by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Every soccer player knows that the most important skill is knowing when and how to fall.

    1. Re:This is great by centuren · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Every Italian soccer player knows that the most important skill is knowing when and how to fall.

      Fixed that for you.

    2. Re:This is great by basementman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No the most important skill is to know how to fall and make it look like the other team pushed you.

    3. Re:This is great by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Absolutely. Have they taught them to fall like they're mortally wounded, yet be back on their feet in no time if the referee doesn't blow the whistle?

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    4. Re:This is great by newcastlejon · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, the most important skill is to get to the penalty box then back into the player behind you then fall over.

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    5. Re:This is great by Alexandra+Erenhart · · Score: 3, Funny

      Every Argentinean soccer player knows that the most important skill is knowing when and how to fall.

      Fixed that for you.

      Fixed it again for you.

      Hey, don't look at me that way. I'm chilean. We chileans and argentineans have this "healthy" rivalry going on, you know ;)

    6. Re:This is great by newcastlejon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Every Chelsea player knows that the most important skill is knowing when and how to fall.

      There, that should cover just about every nationality besides English.

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    7. Re:This is great by gadget+junkie · · Score: 3, Informative

      Every Chelsea player knows that the most important skill is knowing when and how to fall.

      There, that should cover just about every nationality besides English.

      That's nothing. Here in Italy, Inter played whole swathes of the season with exactly one (1) Italian player in the field.

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    8. Re:This is great by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

      Was that because the other ten had been sent off?

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  4. The essense of Judo by diskofish · · Score: 4, Informative

    As a Judo practitioner, I can tell you that learning how to fall correctly is the key to not getting hurt. The article describes exactly what a breakfall is. In Judo, you collapse your legs and roll. It would make sense that they program a robot to do the same thing.

    1. Re:The essense of Judo by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You can also slam the ground with your limbs, transferring the momentum to your torso and reducing the impact on it and on your head. I'm surprised they haven't experimented with that move yet.

    2. Re:The essense of Judo by cailith1970 · · Score: 3, Informative

      He means what is known as a break fall where you do exactly what he says. It's one method of preventing injury from a throw or a fall in martial arts.

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    3. Re:The essense of Judo by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 2, Informative

      As a martial artist experienced in Hap Ki Do, I'd like to point out that even in a break fall you roll. Just slapping the ground won't prevent injury, and just rolling well likely have you roll over. Slapping the ground stops the roll, in addition to taking the impact & spreading it. You tuck your head to keep it from hitting at all, not slap the ground to reduce that impact.
      The roll decreases the rate at which the impact energy enters your body, the slap distributes the energy & helps prevent harm caused by rolling onto your neck.

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    4. Re:The essense of Judo by Thoughts+from+Englan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I read that as 'Customers do make great cushions, after all.' I think I've worked in support for far too long...

      No, you've worked in support too long when you read that as "Customers make great targets"

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  5. Diving by KliX · · Score: 2, Funny

    South americans teaching their bots how to dive - whatever next? :)

  6. If you got soccer players... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Spectatorbots will learn how to riot peacefully without burning down the stadium, trampling each other, and/or throwing garbage at everyone else.

  7. Help! by actionbastard · · Score: 2

    Soccerbot3000: I've fallen and I can't get up!
    I'm sorry. I couldn't resist.

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  8. Whatever next? by Rupert · · Score: 4, Funny

    Argentinian soccerbots with hands.

    This grudge is now 23 years old. Hopefully it will be moving out on its own once it's done with grad school.

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  9. Next step by EvilToiletPaper · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hooligan bots automatically turn batteries down at the end of a match to emulate incoherence and inebriation..

  10. PLF by pete-classic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Another good strategy is to use a fall sequence consisting of several movements, so the falling body has several points of contact with the ground, spreading the energy of the impact over a large number of joints, rather than taking it all in one disastrous crunch.

    Get your head out of your fourth point of contact and send 'em to Airborne School. All the way, Airborne!

    -Peter

  11. I for one... by sokoban · · Score: 5, Funny

    Welcome the downfall of our graceful robotic overlords.

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  12. Get em drunk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Everyone knows drunks can fall over and not hurt themselves far better than sober people.

  13. Re:*Ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  14. Learning how to fall - Learning how to walk by TrevorB · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a Dad, it would seem to me that robots learning how to fall is a prerequisite for learning how to walk. Children around 12 months old spend a lot of time learning how to fall gracefully, so that they have the confidence to actually take steps and walk without fear of damaging themselves.

    I recall a video some years back of a number of Japanese engineers racing towards a walking robot that was about to fall, for fear of it breaking. Somewhere in the back of my head I wondered if they ever took the time to observe humans learning to walk.

  15. Booze is the answer by Bearhouse · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Many sports - skiing for example - are best enjoyed in a 'relaxed' state. When I started to ski, I used to hurt myself in the inevitable, regular falls. A sympathetic fellow-novice provided support in the form of regular shots of decent whisky from the largest hip-flask I'd ever seen.

    Pretty soon I was collapsing gracefully into the snow with no difficulty or pain / damage.

    Put some 200-proof in the 'bots hydraulics and it'll be fine...

  16. In japanese martial arts, ... by getuid() · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...people often hit against the floor with their arms and legs in the very moment of ground impact.

    The reasoning behind this is "momentum conservation". Basically, the momentum of the whole body is split in the momentum of the torso+head (i.e. most vital parts) and the momentum of the extremities. While during the fall all parts of the body move downwards with approximately the same speed, in the moment of impact the falling person hits his arms/legs against the ground, this way giving them extra momentum downwards. By the laws of physics (specifically momentum conservation), this momentum has to come from somewhere. And that "somewhere" is torso+head, i.e. vital parts of the body get slower -- the slower, the harder one hits his arms/legs against the ground.

    This basically saves from internal organ injuries at the expense of the outer extremities, which, in general, are more robust and less critical to survival.

    There are three problems that should be solved with robots, if something similar is to be tried:

    1) The extremities. Robots need outer extremities, and they should be rather massive -- the more massive, the more momentum they can generate.

    2) The joints. Joints to outer extremities should unlock immediately in the moment of inpact in order not to transfer the vibrations of impact from the extremites through the joints to the rest.

    3) Useful energy dissipation mechanisms in the extremities. The whole idea is not only that the robot "survives", but that it actually can continue playing after falling. Therefore the extremity is to be built in such a way, that it has some kind of soft, massive buffer, that can get deformed repeatedly on impact without braking (think of "sand sack", for example).

    The more I think about it: why not anchor 3-4 sand weights to the robot's outer shell, and "shoot" them against the ground during the impact? Also make them automatically retractable at some point (maybe version 2.0? :-) by having strings attached to them, so that the robot can reuse them minutes later...

  17. Nao's are fragile by CAPSLOCK2000 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've worked with NAO robots, and while they are very sophisticated, they are also very fragile. Especially the fingers will break at the slightest provocation.

    When working with these robots you constantly have to hold them to prevent them from falling. As the robots are rather heavy and have quite powerfull engines you arms tend to get tired from working with them. Fortunately there is a decent simulator.

    We've considered to buy some inflatable swimming armbands and put them on our robots to protect them from falling.