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Judge Says Boston Student's Laptop Was Seized Illegally

You may remember a case we discussed this April in which a Boston College student's computers and other electronics were seized after he allegedly sent an email outing another student as gay. The search warrant made sure to note the student's ever-so-suspicious use of "two different operating systems," one of which was "a black screen with a white font which he uses prompt commands on." Now, the EFF reports that a Massachusetts judge has thrown out the search warrant and declared the search and seizure illegal. Quoting: "In her order Thursday, Justice Margot Botsford rejected the Commonwealth's theory that sending a hoax email might be unlawful under a Massachusetts computer crime statute barring the 'unauthorized access' to a computer, concluding that there could be no violation of what was only a 'hypothetical internet use policy.' Thursday's decision now stands as the highest state court opinion to reject the dangerous theory that terms of service violations constitute computer 'hacking' crimes. Justice Botsford further found that details offered by police as corroboration of other alleged offenses were insufficient and did not establish probable cause for the search." The court order (PDF) is available for viewing, and the EFF has broken down the significant arguments against the Commonwealth's claims.

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  1. So Linux isn't suspicious by Norsefire · · Score: 5, Funny

    And it's not only used by rebels wanting to dodge the law? Bah, I'm going back to Windows.

    1. Re:So Linux isn't suspicious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can just imagine the investigation:

      "your honour, we had to shoot him! He was using the Command Prompt! He could have... given commands! Only a hacker would know how to do such mysteries!"

    2. Re:So Linux isn't suspicious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just wait until they see my cp

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    3. Re:So Linux isn't suspicious by instarx · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...and by the way you are now on the Federal no-fly list.

    4. Re:So Linux isn't suspicious by Whiternoise · · Score: 2, Funny

      I call to the defence: "Early nineties sci-fi films!" If they've taught us anything, it's that the terminal is clearly an evil mechanism for hacking government computers.

  2. FInally someone has a clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now when does he get his equipment back? What happens when they hand him a box of busted parts and walk away? (Like Steve Jackson Games)

    It is great that we have this victory for our rights. But how do we keep the police from doing it over and over again? The out of control police need oversight to make sure they don't do this again!

    1. Re:FInally someone has a clue by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He can more than likely proceeded civil claims against against the constabulary there. The thing is its up to him to do that and it may prove costly. If he wins he can probably stick the police department with reasonable court costs as well but he will never get his time back.

      The moral of the story here folks is that are justice system is an adversarial one at all levels. You should never never cooperate unless you feel it is in YOUR near term; best interest to do so. Its never a good idea to help law enforcement simply out of some concept of civic responsibility you will only find yourself on the wrong end of it for your trouble. They have long forgotten (systemically not always individually there are plenty of good cops out there) their job is to serve and protect the people. They now mostly exist to serve government and its all controlling pervasive aims.

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    2. Re:FInally someone has a clue by InsertWittyNameHere · · Score: 4, Funny

      Finally, we can safely return to our nightly rituals of eating Cheetos, drinking Jolt and sending out emails from Xmail accusing people of being gay.

    3. Re:FInally someone has a clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As far as I am aware very few people actually ever get seized equipment back (or if they do, it's not in working order), even when nothing infringing was found on it, or the seizure was deemed illegal, etc.

      Sadly there are no checks and balances in the system. If the police had to issue the equipment back in original working order, proof that all analyses had been eradicated, provide compensation for the lost time and presumably the replacement computer the student had to buy and publish an apology in the wide-spread media, then maybe they would stop and think before acting, or at least have a more measured response.

    4. Re:FInally someone has a clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now I wonder what would've happened if he resisted the seizure and told them he's keeping his laptop and explained he didn't do anything wrong.

      They would have taken it anyway and arrested him for obstruction of justice. That charge would not have been thrown out, regardless of whether or not the court order was later found to be illegal.

      You don't get to pick and choose which court orders you respect, you have to challenge them in a proper forum.

    5. Re:FInally someone has a clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, well if it's the way it is then I guess we can stop caring. It's OK everyone, he said it's the way it is. Or, how about we make it the way it should be?

    6. Re:FInally someone has a clue by Thiez · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is the point of your post? GP says 'the police need oversight because they screw people' and then you come in and say 'the police doesn't need oversight because they screw people and get away with it'.

      How does that even make sense?

    7. Re:FInally someone has a clue by peektwice · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Simply being a dick doesn't warrant getting the cops all over you. You may think so, but you'd be what I like to call "wrong". I will now wait for the search warrant, since I was a dick.

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    8. Re:FInally someone has a clue by mabhatter654 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      either way the person should have just sued for slander/liable/defamation.... the cops should have known the matter was not theirs to deal with.

    9. Re:FInally someone has a clue by Nitage · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wrong. The judge didn't revoke the search warrant - she ruled that it had never been legal in the first place.

    10. Re:FInally someone has a clue by Workaphobia · · Score: 2, Funny

      There are five lights.

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    11. Re:FInally someone has a clue by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Insightful

      DarkOx,

      The moral of the story here folks is that are justice system is an adversarial one at all levels.

      Its never a good idea to help law enforcement simply out of some concept of civic responsibility you will only find yourself on the wrong end of it for your trouble.

      I hope you never have to report a crime (like a stolen car) because I would expect you to NEVER call the police even should you need them.

      You should never never cooperate unless you feel it is in YOUR near term; best interest to do so.

      Yeah, that's the rub, isn't it. You giveth, and you taketh away. Never, unless it is convenient to. What kind of absolute is that?

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    12. Re:FInally someone has a clue by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The lost time thing won't fly, period. People aren't even compensated for time spent in a jail cell! Forget about compensation for lost computer time, or anything remotely similar for automobiles, apartments, homes, tools and equipment.

      But, yes, the automobile, apartment, tools, equipment, AND COMPUTERS should be returned in working order. If not, the state SHOULD BE LIABLE.

      Most definitely.

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    13. Re:FInally someone has a clue by nbauman · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's like George Carlin once said, rights aren't rights if they can be taken away from you at any time they wish.

      No, rights are something you fight for. It's a line in the sand. You let people know that if they try to take away your rights you'll fight for them.

      Take away my rights and I'll fuck you, motherfucker.

      And I'll bring my boys to fuck you. Tough dudes from Slashdot.

    14. Re:FInally someone has a clue by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      BUT, there's legal assumptions as long as there's reason to believe the warrant's valid.

      IE You challenge it in court, not on site.

      Same with false arrest - sure, the arrest can be ruled illegal later, along with various penalties and payments, but you're still going to be screwed if you resist arrest.

      I think it's along the 'two wrongs don't make a right', and that you don't want people resisting arrest/warrants left and right on the basis that they're invalid - before their invalidity is proved in court.

      Heck, this ruling is still subject to appeal - overruling at higher courts is still possible.

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    15. Re:FInally someone has a clue by blindseer · · Score: 2, Informative

      either way the person should have just sued for slander/liable/defamation.... the cops should have known the matter was not theirs to deal with.

      I believe that defamation only includes telling lies. Telling people that a certain presidential candidate used illicit drugs is not defamation if in fact the person did inhale. That candidate may not bring up defamation charges but only qualify or clarify the situation, such as pointing out how it happened long ago, the person completed rehabilitation, and/or the candidate feels such a substance should no longer be controlled as strictly.

      Off topic but pertinent to my example:
      I find it odd how many of our elected officials feel the need to demonize certain substances because "it will ruin your life" or "it's so powerful no one can truly be free from its influence" when so many of them and their colleagues have been known to take these substances in the past. By this logic getting elected president is "ruining your life" and these elected officials are still taking cocaine, marijuana, or what have you. Considering the state of our nation I would tend to believe that many of these elected officials are in fact still taking drugs as it is difficult to explain some of their actions otherwise.

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    16. Re:FInally someone has a clue by Admiral+Ag · · Score: 4, Funny

      So he used computer technology to announce that someone was gay... and he got into legal trouble. Well, the courts are going to be swamped if the police ever find out about Halo 3.

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    17. Re:FInally someone has a clue by hustlebird · · Score: 2, Informative

      People aren't even compensated for time spent in a jail cell!

      They typically are when it is longer periods due to a wrongful conviction.
      A man in San Diego, CA awarded $100/day for the time he spent in a jailcell
      A man in boston served 18 years, eligible for up to $500,000
      An Australian man seeks 7.5 Million in damages from 12 years served, West AU offering 3.25

      Not that I dont agree the lost time thing will ever work, just wanted to point out that people are infact compensated for jailtime they didnt deserve

    18. Re:FInally someone has a clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let me guess, American?

      In the British, Australian, NZ, and possibly Canadian legal system, you have a legal right to use reasonable force to resist an unlawful arrest. (p464 The English Legal System, By Gary Slapper and David Kelly)

      In the US police _can_ arrest you without good reason, and then simply charge you with resisting arrest which is natural and reasonable behaviour for most people.

      To my mind, this just leads to a police state.

  3. Now that I have the courts behind me by UncleWilly · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot is gay.

  4. Is he gonna get compensated? by Zapotek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or can the police kick down your door, seize whatever they want and when the court deems their actions as illegal they just say "Oops, our bad."?

    1. Re:Is he gonna get compensated? by squarooticus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Compensation for what? In the modern Western world, quaint notions of property rights and due process have been deprecated in favor of civil forfeiture, eminent domain for transfer to other private parties, stare decisis, and political connections.

      You can't really own property anymore so much as lease it from the government for a yearly fee. (If you disagree with this viewpoint, try not paying your property taxes: then you'll find out who the real owner is.) Therefore, since the government owns all your stuff anyway, they have no need to compensate you for damages, since the government only damaged their own stuff.

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    2. Re:Is he gonna get compensated? by owlnation · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or can the police kick down your door, seize whatever they want and when the court deems their actions as illegal they just say "Oops, our bad."?

      The thing I find curious, is that the press and the more hysterical government representatives (in most western countries) are so keen and quick to blame violence on TV and in computer games as being the cause of violence in society. We know that this isn't the case of course.

      However, no-one seems to be quite so quick to suggest that shows like "24" have a negative influence over Police and Security Services behavior.

      It seems that black ops, and seize it now -- find a crime and apologize later, is a more common occurrence then ever before -- again, in several countries.

      Does TV influence cop behavior? Probably not any more than TV violence affects society -- but how come it never gets mentioned? I know why, of course, but it's interesting to raise the point I think.

    3. Re:Is he gonna get compensated? by Bearhouse · · Score: 4, Interesting

      On the other hand, in most 'developed' nations, those same taxes pay for people to protect you and your property. (If you disagree with this viewpoint, try living in a lawless state: then you'll find out why we used to live in castles, or their modern equivalent, gated communities).

      You're absolutely right though in your main point - the systematic erosion of civil liberties by these same 'developed' nations is very worrying, and must be resisted otherwise we'll end up with the worst of both worlds. Who was it who said something like "eternal vigilence is the price of democracy"? Churchill?

    4. Re:Is he gonna get compensated? by hedwards · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of course, they had a warrant to do so. In most parts of the country having a warrant is sufficient to shield from liability. The check to the police action is in the process of getting the warrant. If the warrant turns out to be bunk, the police aren't going to get into trouble unless they provided false evidence.

      Misinterpreting evidence is not sufficient in most cases.

    5. Re:Is he gonna get compensated? by JediTrainer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      However, no-one seems to be quite so quick to suggest that shows like "24" have a negative influence over Police and Security Services behavior.

      That's an excellent point. Has anyone tallied how often Jack Bauer ("the hero") demonstrates that it's ok to use torture, and even murder (shoot and kill a prisoner right in the CTU boardroom) if it's for his cause?

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    6. Re:Is he gonna get compensated? by ancient_kings · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Totally untrue in other countries. Most countries do not have realestate taxes. I have friends whos relatives in Greece have owned their little humble house for hundreds of years and haven't paid a dime in all those years. Geeez, even in CHINA, (a "commie" country) there is NO REALESTATE TAXES for a family who owns one house. Once you purchase a house, you own it and nobody can take it away. Don't pay your real-estate/property/IRS taxes in the US and your house is gone, so who is the real "commie" country now? Maybe Obama can change this?

    7. Re:Is he gonna get compensated? by selven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Speaking of 24, I love how the one person who tried to express concern for the Bill of Rights (this is around 02:00-05:00 in the bioweapon crisis) was portrayed as a villain who only wants to slow the police down and kill thousands of innocent people.

    8. Re:Is he gonna get compensated? by Thinboy00 · · Score: 2, Informative

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    9. Re:Is he gonna get compensated? by ion.simon.c · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...and send you to die in a war you don't believe in against your will...

      *looks around*

      We USians haven't had a conscript army since Vietnam. Perhaps you were talking about another country?

    10. Re:Is he gonna get compensated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-military-tells-jack-bauer-cut-out-the-torture-scenes--or-else-436143.html

      "The United States Military Academy at West Point yesterday confirmed that Brigadier General Patrick Finnegan recently travelled to California to meet producers of the show, broadcast on the Fox channel. He told them that promoting illegal behaviour in the series - apparently hugely popular among the US military - was having a damaging effect on young troops.

      According to the New Yorker magazine, Gen Finnegan, who teaches a course on the laws of war, said of the producers: "I'd like them to stop. They should do a show where torture backfires... The kids see it and say, 'If torture is wrong, what about 24'?"

      Every 20 something guy with a uniform and a gun from Campus Cop to 1LT now thinks they are Jack Bauer. Yes, this is a problem.

    11. Re:Is he gonna get compensated? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      According to the New Yorker magazine, Gen Finnegan, who teaches a course on the laws of war, said of the producers: "I'd like them to stop. They should do a show where torture backfires... The kids see it and say, 'If torture is wrong, what about 24'?"

      I've been watching 24 with a critical eye since the first episode and I think they frequently portray torture as backfiring. The example that most comes to mind is when Jack tortured his brother - this brother told him a "small truth" in order to make the torture stop and avoid telling Jack the really big truth about his and his father's central role in that season's big plot. They've also tortured innocent people on at least one occasion. My impression has been that, until this most recent season, torture and other extreme interrogation methods (drugs) almost always impede Jack -- but they do move the story along and provide plausible reasons for people to do otherwise stupid things on the show that keep the tension high.

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  5. My Bad... by LVSlushdat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hope the judge that issued the search warrant AND the police that executed it are severely punished... Oh what AM I saying..This is now the USSA and law enforcement does whatever it wants.. This judge with a "Constitutional" brain on her shoulders will be taken out for "re-education..."
    What WAS I thinking.....

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  6. Re:if this is what happens when you use 2 OS's by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Guantanamo Bay or the co supermax.

  7. Retaliation by StormReaver · · Score: 4, Informative

    IANAL.

    The first think I would do in this guy's situation is to sue the city under the premise that since the search warrant was illegal, all activities flowing from the warrant were performed outside of the city's normal police powers. Since the activities were carried out without any authorized police powers, they were also carried out without the normal protections granted police during the lawful execution of their duties.

    Potential charges would be:

    1) Breaking and entering.
    2) Trespassing.
    3) Illegal search and seizure.
    4) Theft of personal property.
    5) Possession of stolen property.
    6) Vandalism.
    7) Unlawful entry.
    8) False arrest.
    9) False imprisonment (note that this doesn't require actually being jailed).
    10) Dereliction of duty.

    The next two would also be levied against whatever organization the city hired to peruse through my files:

    11) Unauthorized access to a computing device.
    12) Circumvention of a copy-protection mechanism (my user and root passwords).

    I'm sure I could come up with more if I did some research.

    1. Re:Retaliation by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 5, Funny

      12) Circumvention of a copy-protection mechanism (my user and root passwords).

      Report those police officers to the RIAA. Hilarity ensues.

    2. Re:Retaliation by Lord+Dreamshaper · · Score: 5, Insightful

      no law degree here, either, but I assume a civil suit would be laughed out of court. The police officers acted in good faith because a judge signed their warrant, and, presumably, the judge the signed the warrant in a good faith belief that a) the details provided by the police were truthful, and b) the details provided by the police were sufficient to justify a warrant

      The fact that a higher court struck it down is proof of "the system works" and there is no case unless you can prove maliciousness on behalf of the judge (alone or in collusion with the police). Maliciousness *solely* on the part of the police would never fly since the judge signed off on the warrant.

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    3. Re:Retaliation by Professional+Slacker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hold on that seems way too circular to be Kosher.
      The police are acted in good faith, because they assumed the judge would act in good faith, at the same time the judge was acting in good faith because he assumed the police were acting in good faith? How do you ever get a mis-deed out of that set of conditions?

      Somebody screwed up, an innocent man had his stuff seized for no good reason (being a linux user of all things). I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that there should be no repercussions for those involved. The police weren't competent to handle the matter and the judge wasn't competent to issue the warrant. Someone needs to be held accountable for the damaged they caused, "I didn't mean to hurt anyone" is a weak excuse for a common man, but no way in hell should that fly for those that are supposed to be trained in law enforcement.

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  8. caugh... bahhahaa (was:Retaliation) by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Potential charges would be...

    Right. You expect the prosecutor to smite itself and its minions? Dream on.

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  9. Need Massachusetts tags by kimvette · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is so much stupidity going on in our state, including spending and tax increases in the midst of the worst recession since the great depression, knee-jerk reactions to viral advertising campaigns using lite-brites (which did NOT cause an overreaction in much larger, more vulnerable cities), and so forth. Therefore, I propose the following tags for stories involving stupidity here in Massachusetts (even in the event where a sudden outbreak of common sense occurs, because it was masshattery which got us there in the first place):

    taxachusetts
    massholes
    masshattery

    I hope you welcome and endorse this proposal. I, for one, am ashamed of what is going on here in my state and even as a business owner I am hoping that the sales tax and income tax and fuel tax increases in the midst of this recession break this state financially just to prove to the lawmakers that one cannot tax one's way back to prosperity.

    What we need right now is deep spending and tax cuts, and that INCLUDES firing the moron police officers who resulted in this moronic case.

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    1. Re:Need Massachusetts tags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The tax they increased was a sales tax, a regressive tax. (Meaning those with the least ability to pay are affected the most.) Plus, last I checked, Massachusetts was a rather small state and fairly close to New Hampshire, with no sales tax, and Connecticut and Vermont, with lower sales taxes.

      So, to help with a reduced overall consumer spending, Massachusetts decided to force business into neighboring states because it's cheaper there. Brilliant!

      Also, I hate to break it to you, but in November us citizens voted overwhelmingly *AGAINST* a tax decrease.

      Thanks to a giant disinformation campaign - including statements from the governor that repealing the income tax would change Massachusetts into Darfur. You also forget to mention that before that, the ballot measure nearly passed in 2004 - which is why there was a giant disinformation campaign in 2008)

      extensive crews to salt / deice during the winter, road and pothole repair folks to avoid soil creep issues, ..... ect?

      I find that statement hilarious because New Hampshire has no personal income tax - and yet their roads are kept in far better condition and their snow removal is far superior to Massachusetts. Why do you need high taxes for that, again?

  10. "prompt commands" by moxley · · Score: 3, Funny

    Command: "give my laptop back, you fascist fucks."

    Prompt Command: "give my laptop back RIGHT FUCKING NOW you fascist fucks!"

    1. Re:"prompt commands" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      sudo give me my laptop back ; get fucked

  11. Re:if this is what happens when you use 2 OS's by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Both. Inside each other. on the moon. Nuked from earth. And then shot into the sun.

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  12. Motion to Supress Denied? by mdmkolbe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On the last page of the court order why is the motion to suppress evidence denied? Isn't evidence from an illegal search warrant usually suppressed? Is there some technical distinction between quashing a warrant(*) and suppressing the evidence that I am missing?

    (*) And why did the judge order the motion to quash be allowed instead of just ordering the warrant quashed?