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Sotomayor's Position On Copyright Damages
Too Lazy to Login writes "Wired reports that, based on her previous decisions, Sonia Sotomayor will likely affirm high damages (read: RIAA excessive) in cases where copyright claims are at issue. Good thing I'm not a betting man, because I'd have guessed the exact opposite." We discussed the nominee's cyberlaw record in general last week.
What did you expect given Barack Obama's political philosophy and how he's acted in office?
People who don't understand the concept of diminishing return shouldn't be allowed to graduate high school, much less become a judge.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/01/sotomayors-record-environmentalists-hope-business-leaders-pause/
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The case quoted involved businesses who were wilfully infringing, and the decision was that the fines should be punative to act to disuade others.
This may not be true for the RIAA and dealing with individuals, but its probably true when dealing with businesses.
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Wired reports that, based on her previous decisions ...
Huh, that's odd, I only found the article to list one case -- the TopRank suing the host of a tavern in 1996. And the statement she added as:
"A willful infringement, which the magistrate judge found, combined with a willful default, however, warrant an award greater and more significant than one which corresponds so closely to an estimated loss to the plaintiff,"
Are there more decisions I missed? Are we basing our image of this woman off of one action and one statement?
It's not a good indication but it's hardly conclusive. Things have changed with the advent of the internet since then. Here's to hoping, I guess, but I think we're being a bit unfair and too hasty.
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What's a latino female? Is that a codename for hispanic shemales?
Is the only answer. Throw them all out.
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One more time:
Republicans: Oil and gas
Democrats: Hollywood, the movies and recording industry
_Never_ be surprised at Democratic support for DRM, the RIAA or MPAA.
I reckon RIAA and those persuaded by their arguments will continue to try to tighten their grip as much as they can wherever they can. Whether or not Sotomayor will decide in ways that favour RIAA or not is something I hesitate to speculate about. However if people want their government representatives and judges to understand their reservations about RIAA's way of doing business they have to continue to speak up; not only to protest but also to try and find solutions to the situation we are at now.
What should be the principles behind music and movie distribution? I for one would hope for something that those purchasing and creating such material would both find acceptable. Though it is hard for me to say what that would be. At the moment what we have are many reacting to what they see as negative trends, and some saying so in well argued ways, but as long as RIAA can claim even an inch of legitimate concern for the artists and their rights they will continue to resist reforms they cant adequately, in their eyes, influence.
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Male, female, shehe, or heshe I'm betting there will be a mustache.
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. . . is wrong with her. I mean, she's sexist, racist, pro-corp, anti-individual rights, pro-handout, anti-responsibility.
1. There is no excuse for her statement regarding how the richness of a latina's life experiences give them the ability to make better decisions than a white man. News flash: That is racism, bigotry, the whole works. As a white male, I've moved around the country, lived on both coasts, attended schools in three states, had two friends kill themselves, had many others not. I've seen both financial ruin (my parents were hundreds of thousands in debt after their business failed when I was a child -- they did not declare bankruptcy and eventually paid back every dime) as well as upper-class lifestyle. I've had pets. I've traveled the world from Honduras to Hong Kong. Fact of the matter is that her lack of respect for MY opinions is greatly disturbing.
2. She holds a hard-line, firm belief in affirmative action, regardless of the circumstances. By god if the percentages aren't represented, then the reason must be RACISM! Never mind that statistics and probabilities may mean that the 15 people who ace a test might just be more qualified for their job.
There's more, but I'm busy and you have better things to do than read my rantings. Needless to say, I hope she flunks.
Umm... Wut?
The entire point of the RIAA cases* is to increase the risk of file sharing so that it becomes less common. If they only sued for a couple hundred bucks, then no one would care. These cases are all about punitive action and would be worthless without it. If Sotomayor supports punitive infringement suits, she will almost certainly support the RIAA's.
* Certainly part of the RIAA's plan is to also leverage the life-crushing nature of their lawsuits to extort money out of others, but that doesn't change the deterrent 'ideal' of their suits.
Meanwhile, the Supremes rule on questions of law, not amounts of damages, so TFA asks a silly question and gets a silly answer.
No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
First, the case quoted involved willful infringement by a business and other aggravating circumstances. Also, from a strict-construction viewpoint the law does specify the amount of statutory damages so her finding that, if infringement occurred and the claim qualified for statutory damages, damages in the amount defined by the law were to be awarded would hardly be unexpected.
The big question is how she views the whole question of whether infringement occurred. That's the area where the RIAA and MPAA tend to part company with the rest of us. It's pretty clear that mass copying and distribution of unauthorized copies is infringing behavior, whether or not it's done for commercial gain. Note please that making 10,000 copies of a tape and handing them out on the street-corner is a far cry from copying a couple of songs off a tape so your friend can listen to them. To my mind there's three categories: copying that's not infringing period (eg. the copies needed to listen to anything on a computer), copying that's clearly infringing (the aforementioned making copies in bulk for anybody who comes along), and an intermediate range where the copying's technically infringing but so inoffensive that we view it as unreasonable for the owner to complain about it absent some additional problems. Making a copy of a few songs for a friend falls into that third category, it's technically infringing but the general reaction to an owner complaining about just that would be "Jeesh, get a life, dude.". The usual way the courts handle things like this is to award some token amount of damages, like the retail price of the songs copied, and then deny any request for costs by the plaintiff. What I'm interested in is exactly where Judge Sotomayor draws the lines between those three categories.
Not true in the slightest (well, maybe the slightest). It is neigh guaranteed that some time in the lifetime of whoever is appointed the Supreme Court will hear a case regarding the excessiveness of damages in a (personal) infringement suit. Their ruling would basically decide if the present statue (regarding damages) is constitutional.
So true, they will not be deciding how much money _you_ have pay. However, they will be deciding something much more important: the minimum and maximum that _anyone_ should have to pay.
I don't see anything in the Top Rank decision which justifies the conclusion the Wired author has drawn. The only decision referred to was Top Rank v. Allerton Lounge, a typical 'bar and tavern' case. In those cases the statutory damages are frequently from 2 to 4 times the actual damages. The Magistrate appears to have awarded statutory damages on a 1:1 ratio. Judge Sotomayor raised the damages, but not wildly to some extreme multiple like what the RIAA looks for. It appears that her award was between 2 and 3 times the actual damages, which is within the usual range.
The RIAA seeks from 2,200 to 450,000 times the actual damages. It is well settled law that statutory damages awards have to bear a reasonable relationship to the actual damages, and in keeping with economic reality. And it is well settled law that excessive disproportion to the actual damages is unconstitutional, as a violation of the due process clause.
There is no reason in the world to think that Judge Sotomayor would consider imposing statutory damages of $750 to $150,000 as against plaintiff's 35-cent loss for the download of a single mp3 file.
In the unlikely event that the RIAA could prove the defendant was a "distributor" -- i.e. someone who disseminated copies to the public by selling them, or by other transfers of ownership, or by rentals, leases, or lending -- then of course the actual damages would be higher than 35 cents. But the RIAA would have to prove its actual damages, and then the court could award statutory damages greater than that sum, but -- under established Supreme Court precedent -- the award would be constitutionally suspect were the ratio greater than single digits.
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I'm just waiting for Sotomayor's Paris Hilton style homemade porn video to be released. I hope that long forgotten boyfriend held onto that tape they made that one rather forgetful night.
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Granted, the damages do seem high, but these are only applied where the conclusion has already been made that a proper case was brought about and the crime proven without a reasonable doubt.
Why focus on this after-the-fact nonsense? In a perfect judicial world where only copyright violators were convicted, I would whole-heartedly support brutal monetary punishments to these self-entitled jackasses.
But in reality, shouldn't this crowd-sourced angst be directed at the flawed proceedings and discovery that is the real issue here? Please, for everyone who cares about "justice" and fair use and other copyright issues, let's focus the energy, however fickle it is, on what really matters here.
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The facts are complicated and require thinking, and might result in a conclusion that 1) not what the GP expects to find or, 2) doesn't fit exactly inside of the predetermined possibilities.
This is Slashdot - people are confident in their computer skills and knowledge of sci-fi, which naturally translates into flawless wisdom in relation to all things. Socrates woulda loved this place.
because the method of intimidation favored is to claim the opposing views are only driven by prejudice and paranoia.
Figuring her panel's overturn rate by the Supremes is probably a better indication of why she should not be on the Supreme Court but is fine where she is.
The real problem, she was selected for what she is, not who she is or how she ruled... at least according to the speech the teleprompter provided.
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
I don't recall ever hearing of one politician who wasn't on the side of the RIAA. Many people are calling it corruption, but it is legal because the money that changes hands is "campaign donations". However Legal corruption is still corruption. It has been around longer than any of us posting on here and I don't foresee it changing any time soon. Big business runs the country, this is no different than a year ago when all the telecommunications companies got off the hook because they gave "campaign donations" to most of congress the largest of which were to the three presidential candidates Obama, McCain and Clinton. Hmmmm where's Charlie Wilson when you need him...or maybe Mr. Smith.
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The folks at TechnicallyLegal (disclaimer, I'm a writer and podcaster there) wrote up a post as to why her decision in the copyright case will have little bearing on the outcome of the RIAA cases. And why her reasoning there isn't really indicitive of what her reasoning may be in those cases.
http://www.technicallylegal.org/de-fud-sotomayors-stance-on-copyright-infringement/
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Has anyone ever heard the poly-sci term "Legislating from the bench?" AFAIK and what I have learned is that Judges are only supposed to make judgments based on the original intents of the law, not create new policies and laws based on their judgment.
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So the reason damages are so high in copyright cases is because there is a statue about it. Normally in civil suits damages are limited to actual damages and then something in the realm of 3x actual for punitive, if warranted. Ok so for copying a CD the maximum you could possible argue in actual damages would be the retail cost of the CD (and that might be questionable since it is a copy, not a theft). That would end up with a total damage range of like $30-60 per CD, and then only if they can get punitive damages.
However copyright law provides for incredibly high statutory damages, we are talking like $100,000 per incident. Thus the RIAA can go after people for tons of money and use it as leverage to force a settlement. The problem with that is that it runs contrary to the 8th amendment.
So this is well an issue the SC could be hearing soon. A defendant could claim that the statutory damages are unconstitutionally high, meaning the law should be struck down.
Um, are you serious? Hilary Clinton is Secretary of State .
First I've heard of this. Care to point me at your source?
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Christ, do we have to do this again....From the speech:
Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences, a possibility I abhor less or discount less than my colleague Judge Cedarbaum, our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging. Justice O'Connor has often been cited as saying that a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases. I am not so sure Justice O'Connor is the author of that line since Professor Resnik attributes that line to Supreme Court Justice Coyle. I am also not so sure that I agree with the statement. First, as Professor Martha Minnow has noted, there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.
Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice [Benjamin] Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society. Until 1972, no Supreme Court case ever upheld the claim of a woman in a gender discrimination case. I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown.
However, to understand takes time and effort, something that not all people are willing to give. For others, their experiences limit their ability to understand the experiences of others. Other simply do not care. Hence, one must accept the proposition that a difference there will be by the presence of women and people of color on the bench. Personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see.
[...]
I am reminded each day that I render decisions that affect people concretely and that I owe them constant and complete vigilance in checking my assumptions, presumptions and perspectives and ensuring that to the extent that my limited abilities and capabilities permit me, that I reevaluate them and change as circumstances and cases before me requires. I can and do aspire to be greater than the sum total of my experiences but I accept my limitations. I willingly accept that we who judge must not deny the differences resulting from experience and heritage but attempt, as the Supreme Court suggests, continuously to judge when those opinions, sympathies and prejudices are appropriate.
For God's sake, just READ once in awhile rather than have things spoon fed to you from the talking heads.
Uh, don't listen to the news do you?
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the speech where she said a female latina Judge would come to a better decision (on the basis of her being female and latina) than a white male judge.
Now, I fell off the political correct bandwagon a long time ago, but I do believe that the bulk of the people that make up the Democratic party would've had themselves a little uproar if John Roberts had said something of the lines of "I think a white male judge can come to a better informed, fairer decision than a black female judge".
Eisenhower nominated Earl Warren, a Republican governor of California to the Supreme Court. Warren was a centrist with broad support on both sides of the aisle. Warren led the Supreme Court through a remarkably liberal period. Eisenhower later publicly rued the choice he made. Bush the Elder nominated Souter as a conservative, and got something quite different.
The Court of Appeals judges (like Sotomayor) are bound by existing law and precedent. They never get the opportunity to be the final word on the Constitution. Once they go to the Supreme Court, they have the complete, unobstructed freedom to change--and they often do.
TFA is just speculative nonsense. /. is just putting it out because it starts little flame wars between the piracy lovers and the piracy haters. Aargh, matey.
Far to the left? Obama is a corporate centrist, his favorite president is Ronald Reagan. Don't tell me you've bought that 'He's a SOCIALIST! ZOMG!" crap, have you? Meet the next corporate centrist, same as the last corporate centrist. Oh, this one's not as war happy, which is a plus, but otherwise, not much difference.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
Yeah, I saw that first one in other sections, only with the context provided.
I fail to see how the second and third sentences make her racist. People who are different *gasp* have DIFFERENT OPINIONS?! Say it isn't so! I think the assertion that every man and woman should have the same opinion as a white guy to be incredibly racist, myself.
And anyone who says "I have no bias" is a fucking liar and should be punched in the face repeatedly. I more trust someone who acknowledges they have points of bias, so that they can actually work towards mitigating that bias.
So, try again, and provide me with some actions backing up those words. Show a decision that was racially motivated.
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Uh, don't listen to the news do you?
Not YOUR news. I'm Canadian. I only keep a tangential interest in your judicial system at best, since all my favourite TV shows tend to involve it somehow.
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"In our private conversations, Judge Cedarbaum has pointed out to me that seminal decisions in race and sex discrimination cases have come from Supreme Courts composed exclusively of white males. I agree that this is significant but I also choose to emphasize that the people who argued those cases before the Supreme Court which changed the legal landscape ultimately were largely people of color and women. I recall that Justice Thurgood Marshall, Judge Connie Baker Motley, the first black woman appointed to the federal bench, and others of the NAACP argued Brown v. Board of Education. Similarly, Justice Ginsburg, with other women attorneys, was instrumental in advocating and convincing the Court that equality of work required equality in terms and conditions of employment.
Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences, a possibility I abhor less or discount less than my colleague Judge Cedarbaum, our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging. Justice O'Connor has often been cited as saying that a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases. I am not so sure Justice O'Connor is the author of that line since Professor Resnik attributes that line to Supreme Court Justice Coyle. I am also not so sure that I agree with the statement. First, as Professor Martha Minnow has noted, there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."
It's easy to mince people's words in order to prove a point.
It's much more difficult to actually listen to the whole thing and receive their message.
Full text: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/politics/15judge.text.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
Read the rest of the quote. She just said the same thing that Alito said, only with more grace and dignity.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that the law should be different for an individual who willfully infringes than it is for a business that does the same thing, or that Sotomayor is likely to ignore the law and treat them differently anyhow?
For God's sake, just READ once in awhile rather than have things spoon fed to you from the talking heads.
If a white male had said the same thing (with just a few substitutions to make it personally accurate), he would have been excoriated by the press and the very same people that are claiming that this is no big deal.
If you can look at yourself in a mirror and honestly be willing to excuse my hypothetical white male, then I respect your opinion. If you can't, then you're a hypocrite.
I fail to see how the context changes, in any way, the implications of her statement. Here's my translation:
Your post is worded as if it is self-evident that her statements are not racist. From my reading, even with context, this is totally racist. She implies that Latina women render better verdicts than white men. How is that not racist?
Please break down her argument if you disagree.
You quote demonstrates that (a) first you, and (b) the culture you would wish to represent are hopelessly damaged, If you don't see why it is way too late to help you ... but a hint, different dosn't mean worse or racist.
Idiot!
We've never been at a place where a racist wasn't a serious candidate for the supreme court. This one is less racist than most. She just doesn't happen to be a white man, which is what's really got you spooked.
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Actually, it looks worst in context. Until the final sentence she's pushing the usual post-modern relativist position, then pulls a 180 on the last sentence, which implies that, contradicting the previous sentence, she does believe that there is a universal definition of better.
Add her lesser abhorrence (her own words) of the idea of physiological or cultural differences, than the old white woman, and she sounds MORE racist, not less.
Your upbringing colors your perceptions and opinions. Being raised a middle class white male in the mostly white suburbs, has played a very large role in shaping me into who I am today. Granted, I've put some work into transcending this, but it still holds true. Hell, being left handed, wearing glasses, having curly hair, being tall, etc... has colored my perceptions.
I'm guessing being hispanic and female would have similar effects.
Pointing this out isn't racist. By stating that being of Germanic decent influences my opinions, am I being racist?
Yes, she represents a class that isn't common in our halls of power which are largely composed of older rich white men, yes, her views might give her certain insights that would be harder for rich white guys to see. Nothing too controversial here., I can admit that Martin Luther King Jr. was probably so effective at his work because he was... well... black. Would MLK Jr. stating that his background gives him insight on certain issues that would be much harder to obtain from a what guy, be racist?
Of all the arguments against her, this is the silliest, and least deserving of consideration. The fact that she is somewhat unknown, and doesn't have a clear history, or philosophy, is more disturbing to me. I also worry that she was picked because she is a latina, over other, perhaps more qualified, canditates just to solidify diversity.
I'm sick of diversity for diversity's sake. Merit should be colorblind, and the only criteria for our decisions.
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Sorry, if people dont buy RIAA music and goto MPAA films they will soon run out of money.
No AWARE new artist(s) need to get screwed by them again, The front game is OVER. The Internet, and with it (almost) free publishing and (absolutely) free publicity emerged into the world.
The MPAA & RIAA cannot pack the genie back in the bottle, and their business model is defunct, they will go bust on their own if you simply excercise your freedom and ignore them.
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You must not get out a lot or read much...it's been all over the news (and I mean that in terms of regardless of whether or not you AGREE with the allegations, the allegations have been EXTREMELY widely reported, blogged, etc about)
So in short, I'm not sure if you're trying to be snide or not, but the allegations go back to a statement she made (linked below, see for greater context):
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2009/05/26_sotomayor.shtml
That's from whence the allegations come. Make of it what you will--I don't think that's racist, I think it just shows that she's a full blown identity politics player.
Queue someone registering supremecourtlatinajusticeporn.com
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Of course in real democracies supreme court judges get replaced at regular intervals instead of getting appointed for life.
But if she votes for the establishment, then that's hardly surprising she is a product of it after all isn't she.
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I think the assertion that every man and woman should have the same opinion as a white guy to be incredibly racist, myself.
You're just totally buying into identity and race politics, and the sad thing is, you don't even realize it.
WTF does it matter if someone is black, white, latina, male, female etc. Alito made a somewhat simliar (though in my view less offensive) statement during his confirmation hearing about his family's immigrant background, and how that gave him empathy in certain kinds of cases. The difference is he didn't say a wise Italian will come to a better answer...he didn't play the race gender political identity game. Sotomayor did, and that's the difference.
I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic or not.
Take a look at NewYorkCountryLawyer's blog. He's been covering the RIAA's silly legal war for quite some time and is something of a Slashdot fixture. The blog is a great resource for learning about the absurdity that is the recording industry.
Now if this same candidate was openly against black females she would have immediately been slaughtered by the press. It's time the press stop sucking up to Obama and start doing some critical reporting. When is this attitude of /certain/ racism and /certain/ sexism being ok in politicians going to be rejected?
Well, obviously you're not pulling one line out of context, so you mean if a white male had said something resembling the entire speech? So paraphrasing it down to one sentence, and making the substitution you suggest, I get something like
"Judges must strive to be impartial, but since our experiences help us to reach understanding, I would hope someone who is a white male might be better able to understand what it is like to be disadvantaged and discriminated against than a hispanic woman"
I don't think I'd call that racist, so much as incoherent.
she said a female latina Judge would come to a better decision (on the basis of her being female and latina) than a white male judge.
And she probably would if that were the only difference between her and a white male judge. Nobody worth their salt is going to claim that you can overcome your background when making a judgment. Further, it's easier to have empathy towards those who are in situations similar to those you've been in. Finally, even George Will will tell you that empathy is an important part of the judicial process.
That said, I don't think that gender or race should be the highest criteria for nominating a supreme court justice. Any form of racial or gender-based discrimination should be eliminated when possible, otherwise we create a group mentality of us vs them. That's why I hate this nomination and will probably hate Obama's nominations from here on out. I don't believe that Obama would nominate a white male for this position regardless of the circumstances, and that's ridiculous.
You're mixing up the concepts of law and statute. Executive orders aren't statutes, but they sure are law. Same thing with case law.
Are you adequate?
Simple principle: you're responsible for what you do, not for what someone else does. And no, P2P isn't equivalent to your example, since the original sharer is still the one making it available. That a lot of other people are also doing it doesn't change things. But then, by knowingly putting the file up on P2P sharing the original sharer is also not just copying for a friend or two. They're more akin to the guy on the street-corner handing out copies to anyone who asks.
Note: the "knowingly" is significant. There is, again, a difference between the person who sets up P2P software deliberately, knowing what it'll do, and the person who got a friend to set something up for their own personal use (so they could get at their music from all their machines) and had no idea it was also handing things out to the world at large.
Silly me thinking attacking two neighbors, genocide, religious persecution, utter failure to comply with terms of surrender, and last but not least intelligence claims of WMDs, etc had something to do with it. Fascinating.
Yeah, it is pretty silly to think we invaded Iraq in 2003 because... ... they committed genocide against the Kurds in 1983 which we knew about at the time and kept quiet about because we supported their war with Iran. ... they went to war with Iran in 1980 and used chemical weapons against them, which we later supported and helped Iraq to fund because we wanted Iran contained. ... they invaded Kuwait in 1990, initiating the Persian Gulf War.
I mean I can at least see how you could think WMD were a reason to invade... though when they come up with the reason first, and then demand the intelligence community support that reason, you should wonder...
But to think that one action that already resulted in us going to war, and two other actions which we supported at the time, warrant an invasion twenty years later is just nutty. I mean how can you watch a guy stand at a podium and tell you we need to invade Iraq because of genocide twenty years ago, when that same guy twenty years ago was shaking the murderer's hand while the U.S. government was aware of what he was doing, and nod your head and go "yup yup!"
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Copyrights that they too often SHOULD NO LONGER HAVE. Under the 1790 Copyright Act, it would last 14 years (renewable for extra 14). But the big media kept buying laws to stretch the damn thing again and again, and don't you doubt they will do it again. Those scoundrels don't care about screwing the people, so why should anyone have qualms about screwing them back? There is nothing moral about respecting an immoral law, so I'll keep downloading, fuck you very much!
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this is what we say
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Snuff the old they're a drain
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They use up all the health-care
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Imagine a world in which your DVD rip was uniquely tagged - and every download of the movie points back to you as the primary source.
Imagine that the licensed distributor has real numbers to take into court - and is suing you for the wholesale value of the distribution - plus punitive damages.
The numbers add up really, really, fast.
With no statutory limit on damages, you must settle the case out of court or risk taking the full whack.
In the real world of civil law, the burden of proof is much lighter.
The rights holder doesn't have to trace the movement of every file. He only has to persuade the jury that the bill has come due and that you owe him - big time.
The other side of the coin, of course, is that the good guy - the geek - isn't always the defendant.
He is sometimes the plaintiff - whose only realistic hope of recovery is through the imposition of statutory damages.
It's about context. Read the actual text of the issue being framed here. Look earlier in the text which I hadn't quoted:
While recognizing the potential effect of individual experiences on perception, Judge Cedarbaum nevertheless believes that judges must transcend their personal sympathies and prejudices and aspire to achieve a greater degree of fairness and integrity based on the reason of law. Although I agree with and attempt to work toward Judge Cedarbaum's aspiration, I wonder whether achieving that goal is possible in all or even in most cases. And I wonder whether by ignoring our differences as women or men of color we do a disservice both to the law and society. Whatever the reasons why we may have different perspectives, either as some theorists suggest because of our cultural experiences or as others postulate because we have basic differences in logic and reasoning, are in many respects a small part of a larger practical question we as women and minority judges in society in general must address.
This was a speech on diversity and progress. Looking at the second paragraph that I did quote, you can see that there seems to be a disconnect between law and discrimination against groups that historically did not have the advantages of white males. That's the context of the quote in which it is framed.
Let me quote someone else here too...
I don't come from an affluent background or a privileged background. My parents were both quite poor when they were growing up.
And I know about their experiences and I didn't experience those things. I don't take credit for anything that they did or anything that they overcame.
But I think that children learn a lot from their parents and they learn from what the parents say. But I think they learn a lot more from what the parents do and from what they take from the stories of their parents lives.
And that's why I went into that in my opening statement. Because when a case comes before me involving, let's say, someone who is an immigrant -- and we get an awful lot of immigration cases and naturalization cases -- I can't help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn't that long ago when they were in that position.
And so it's my job to apply the law. It's not my job to change the law or to bend the law to achieve any result.
But when I look at those cases, I have to say to myself, and I do say to myself, "You know, this could be your grandfather, this could be your grandmother. They were not citizens at one time, and they were people who came to this country."
When I have cases involving children, I can't help but think of my own children and think about my children being treated in the way that children may be treated in the case that's before me.
And that goes down the line. When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account. When I have a case involving someone who's been subjected to discrimination because of disability, I have to think of people who I've known and admire very greatly who've had disabilities, and I've watched them struggle to overcome the barriers that society puts up often just because it doesn't think of what it's doing -- the barriers that it puts up to them.
So those are some of the experiences that have shaped me as a person.
That's from Justice Alito...who is essentially saying the same thing, but from a different perspective. People are focusing too much on the quote of being "a wise Latina woman" and not enough on her later statements on where she is constantly evaluating her assumptions and prejudices.
I hope this explains this better.
Stating that being of Germanic descent influences your insight does not make you racist. Stating that you will make a better decision than someone who is black (or white or blue or rainbow hued) because you are of Germanic descent is racist. We should seek justice that is impartial, not justice that is "the right kind of racist."
Despite popular sloganizing* of people's words, I do not believe that making a racist statement makes you a racist. It is possible to say something stupid without acting in the same stupid manner in most circumstances. In fact, if I had to choose, I would prefer a judge is racist in their heart but rules impartially and without prejudice to a judge who is colorblind in heart but is influenced by race in decisions for political or ideology motivations. Put simply, judge Sotomayor's statements matter far less to me than her record.
I too am sick of diversity for diversity's sake. I believe that the idea that lowering the bar, or eliminating people from hiring or promotion so that you get a desired skin color should be obviously wrong. Certainly we should hope for a judge that would prefer a city who gives a test, widely considered fair, to determine eligibility for promotion to their firefighters to stand by the results. In 2006, a Federal District Court upheld the New Haven decision to discard the scores of such a test, because of the skin color of the applicants who did well, in the Ricci v. DeStefano decision. This decision was backed up in appeal by judge Sotomayor.
President Obama may have picked a liberal leaning Latina woman for political reasons. Frankly, it doesn't surprise me when politicians make decisions for political reasons. Despite the motivations for choosing justices, it is my hope that those chosen and affirmed will make decisions that are rooted in impartial justice. This should be the only criteria for picking or affirming a justice to the Supreme Court. Sadly, I expect the politicians who must affirm her appointment to act as usual, on political motivation, in their opposition and support.
* - I don't think sloganizing is a word, but then it does seem to convey what I intended, so I'm using it anyway.
B) Eliminate all the stupid users. This is frowned upon by society.
Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences, a possibility I abhor less or discount less than my colleague Judge Cedarbaum, our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging. Justice O'Connor has often been cited as saying that a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases. I am not so sure Justice O'Connor is the author of that line since Professor Resnik attributes that line to Supreme Court Justice Coyle. I am also not so sure that I agree with the statement. First, as Professor Martha Minnow has noted, there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.
Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society. Until 1972, no Supreme Court case ever upheld the claim of a woman in a gender discrimination case. I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown.
However, to understand takes time and effort, something that not all people are willing to give. For others, their experiences limit their ability to understand the experiences of others. Other simply do not care. Hence, one must accept the proposition that a difference there will be by the presence of women and people of color on the bench. Personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see. My hope is that I will take the good from my experiences and extrapolate them further into areas with which I am unfamiliar. I simply do not know exactly what that difference will be in my judging. But I accept there will be some based on my gender and my Latina heritage.
VERY different than what you imply. Tell me, how is what she said any different from what Alito said? Where does she say that a Latina will make better decisions? Nowhere, and that is not at all what she was implying.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
There is nothing morally wrong with making copies of a copy. You dont have enough information to even have this discussion because if you did, you wouldn't be talking in terms of right and wrong. copyright infringement law was designed to prevent large organizations from taking a individuals work and a profiting from it. If you think this same logic applies to big business you dont understand the dynamics, its that simple.
Large entities don't need the same rights as individuals. Copyright should not extend to them at all.
It should only extend to the individual as how it was intended.
I'm doubtful that the next 'Republican cycle' will occur in my lifetime, given that, among other things, the Obama DOJ just greenlighted rampant voter fraud by denying Georgia to verify that voters are actually citizens and eligible to vote. Not surprising for a guy that rode to victory on the backs of Acorn voter fraud, but it doesn't bode well for a democratic process going forward.
Excuse me... Sotomayor was first nominated by George H W Bush, a.k.a Bush 41.
- High Tech workers, please say NO to Union Carpenters, their Union sees fit to control our compensation.
Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.
When I look at that statement in the context of the entire speech, it expresses at most an aspiration or desire that her kind of experience would make her a better judge. She didn't assert that whites are an inferior race relative to some other group or that they should be denied equal rights or relegated to second-class citizenship.
She just doesn't happen to be a white man, which is what's really got you spooked.
Actually, I'm a very conservative Latino male. I've seen racism, and I abhor racism from all sources.
Sotomayor believes in this thing called "Social Justice", which to me means justice based on the social standing of the participants. Consider how many ways that can go wrong.
Consider the reaction if someone proposed a White Supremacist vision of Social Justice... Or a Black Supremacist vision of Social Justice. How about a Neo-Nazi vision of Social Justice. Fundamentalist Islamic vision of Social Justice?
Is it any better to to advocate a Mexican Supremacist vision of Social Justice? And remember, Sotomayor is a member of "La Raza", Spanish for "The Race", a Mexican Supremacist organization. An organization that seeks to return Aztlan (Southwest US states) to Mexico.
Anyone who says I can make a better legal decision based on my race, is a racial supremacist.
Anyone who belongs to a race based supremacist organization does not belong on any court.
- High Tech workers, please say NO to Union Carpenters, their Union sees fit to control our compensation.
You ever sung Happy Birthday at a party?
I hope a highly "moral and ethical" self righteous individual such as your self paid the required parties for the privilege of doing so, as that song is still under copyright.
Oh...you didn't. You and your friends STOLE someone elses hard work and used it for your own benefit without paying. Well then you're no better than anyone else so get off your high horse thief.
*Cue the hypocritical legal hand wringing "but-but fair use! Not a *real* public performance!!11" Sorry, tell it to a judge.
The law should be different for someone who makes huge amounts of money from infringing and someone who doesn't.
Let me know when she starts running around with the KKK. Let me know when she wants to put yellow armbands on members of a certain race. Let me know when she joins a Hispanic Superiority club. Let me know when she does anything more than assert that someone's racial background makes a fucking difference to their life.
This is the most pathetic manufactured scandal since the spotted owl. I can't believe the Republicans decided to take it and run with it. It does nothing but make them look bad, and it won't affect her confirmation in the slightest.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
This government isn't run only by Obama, as you well know. Democrats in power, like Biden and Conyers, are famous for supporting the RIAA, MPAA and any corporate media outfit (that kicks money back to these politicians after offering their customers the least use rights possible).
Let me know when she joins a Hispanic Superiority club
It's called La Raza, and yes Sotomayor has been a member for 20 years. http://www.drudge.com/news/121501/sonia-sotomayor-raza-member
- High Tech workers, please say NO to Union Carpenters, their Union sees fit to control our compensation.
Reps & Dems alike know where their bread is buttered.The media got McCain nominated. McCain was the easiest target of the Rep nominees to defeat. Then the media went gaga over BHO and squelched any and all flaws or red flags.Now we're seeing the real BHO. How come we didn't see this coming? Answer: The Media didn't want you to.
You voted for him. But it's completely understandable that you would do otherwise now that you are starting to question if you really knew who BHO was. Still trying to figure out who BHO really is? As he recently (May 27) said at a star-studded Hollywood fundraiser, "You ain't seen nothing yet!"
The parent said nothing of profit, only willfulness. But let's go from there. Do you feel the same way about manufacturers of dangerous toys?
Yes. If you wilfully cause harm, you should not only compensate the injured party but also lose any profit you made as a result. If you make more money you should end up paying more for it.
Let me say it again: they bought laws against the interest of the people, again and again. Any idea how to fight THAT?!
Circumcision is child abuse.
But this isn't about giving up your profits. It's about damages, which can be measured by many different methods depending on the case. The question is this: Do you think that a business should be punished differently from an individual for the same act, if all things are equal other than the fact that one of them is a business and the other is an individual?
Oh yes, I can clearly see how that's the same thing as the Aryan Brotherhood and the KKK. Their offices are like, right next to each other. Those of you with both Caucasian and Hispanic heritage can pick up a pamphlet from each booth!
Your doctor called, the x-rays show you're missing a sense of perspective and have an absurd inflammation of the spleen. For the former, he recommends you look up 'racism' in the dictionary, and for the latter, turn off Fox News.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
Well, surely damages and punishment are different things. The injured party deserves to be compensated for their loss. No more, no less. That is damages. The perpetrator needs to be discouraged if they acted wilfully. That is punishment. As such, the penalty needs to be at least as much as their gain. (This only works if there's a 100% chance of being caught so in needs to be modified based on risk as well).
So it's not so much about whether they're a business as whether they're intending to make a profit. If an individual makes 100 copies of a CD and intends to sell them for $5 each then they should be punished exactly the same as if a business does the same. If a business decides to act unlawfully for reasons other than making a profit (which would be odd behaviour for a business) then they should only pay damages.
So, wait - you mean #I am legally entitled to hurry love!? I always wondered about the constitutional basis for that argument.
So you quote a blog post that says ignoring profits is a legitimate way to compare prices?
Fundamentally, you need to make sure you are measuring the same thing. Example: taxes paid by insurers. The government run insurance programs obviously don't pay them. So if you are trying to compare the relative efficiency of private vs government insurance, a fair comparison would be one that removed the government tax advantage.
Then the media went gaga over BHO and ignored and squelched any and all flaws or red flags.
Only until the second he passed Hillary in the primaries. Then it was non-stop, 24/7 concern trolling over Rev. Wright, "white working class voters", "lack of experience", etc. And even after winning a landslide election, the media STILL talks to 2 Republicans for every Democrat they put on the air. And if they'd spend a quarter of the effort investigating the Bush Administrations claims for why we had to invade Iraq as they spent investigating Geithner and AIG bonuses, maybe we wouldn't have invaded Iraq in the first place, which has gotten more Americans killed than Osama Bin Laddin.
How does a lie get modded insightful?
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
Dude, you're the picture perfect definition of a troll. PS. You make a piss poor mind reader.
And this southern white man isn't going to bail your dumb socialist ass out when you and your cohorts send this country spiraling down further by giving away everyone else's money.
You'll be eating your words in a year when the economy turns around
You know, I'd be more than happy to eat my words if the economy turns around. But call me bitter for thinking that Obama's recipe of nationalizing everything and going into a stupendous level of debt to "stimulate" the economy combined with the "quantitative easing" policy of the Fed (also called "monetizing the debt", also called "hyperinflation here we come") isn't the recipe needed. A key indicator that Obama or any of the Democrats for that matter don't have a fucking clue is when they hold up FDR's policies during the Depression as something to emulate when it was FDR's policies that turned a garden variety Depression (one lasting 1-2 years for just about every other country) into a Great Depression lasting 12+ years in the United States.
Wrong. Just look up the actual statistics and figures about the depression. Only radical free market revisionists rewrite history like you do and expect anyone to believe their fantasies. I've done the research, it's obvious you haven't.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
I've done the research, it's obvious you haven't.
Uh huh. I hate to break it to you, but Das Kapital doesn't quality Comrade.
Then Republicans convinced FDR to stop his 'socialist' policies and a mini recession happened.
How did they ever manage to do that considering the Democrats controlled Congress, the Presidency, and the Supreme Court (via Roosevelt's court packing threat)?
In 1937? Uh huh. Anyway, I said, "convinced," not "voted in despite a veto." But that's beside the point. The point is, a recession or a depression means a falling GDP. If the GDP is not falling, it is a recovery, not a recession. The recovery started when FDR's policies were enacted. And the GDP grew very fast. In fact, during FDR's administration, the stock markets went up an average of 16% annually. No Republican president has ever done that well.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
One thing that didn't go up very fast under FDR's policies was employment. So while the rich banksters were making money (not unlike under your current hero Obama), the common man was getting the shaft.
Oh, one more thing...the rate at which this Obama economy is losing jobs (500,000+ per month), by the time next year when this thing is predicted by you to turn around, we'll be looking at 13% unemployment at a minimum. And that's if it turns around. Which it won't. You can't put out a fire by pouring gasoline on it.
Please do your research before making unsupported claims: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Employment_Graph_-_1920_to_1940.svg
Employment recovered just as quickly as any other indicator.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
I know you are probably busy reading Lenin's "What Is To Be Done?" right about now, but you might want to check and see how our Dear Leader's stimulus plan is working. Here's a nice graph for you:
http://michaelscomments.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/stimulus-vs-unemployment-may-corrected.gif?w=460&h=280
Wow. Someone knows how to draw lines. Neat. Unfortunately, those lines are mere speculation, and mean nothing in the real world. Seriously, that is the dumbest unsourced graph I have ever seen.
However, the stock market has rebounded 10% since Obama took office. How ya like them apples? Suck it up and say "Thank you, Obama, for getting us back on track." Because you don't want America to fail, right? You are happy that Obama's plan is working, right? Yeah, right.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton