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7-inch Android Netbook From GNB

An anonymous reader writes "Netbooknews.com has scored a video of a 7-inch Google Android netbook from a company called GNB during Computex. The device is powered by a Freescale iMX31 CPU. The design might not be to everyone's taste, but it could turn out to be a super cheap Android netbook."

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  1. Some information would be nice. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Informative

    You know, maybe a description of the spec, a couple of decent photos, that sort of thing...

    1. Re:Some information would be nice. by hotfireball · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Definitely not super-thin. BTW, why I need Android (roughly saying, a limited Linux) on my netbook if there is a regular Linux?..

    2. Re:Some information would be nice. by wisty · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unless you just want to stick to VIM (or emacs), a 7 inch screen screws up a lot of user interfaces. My eeePC has dialog boxes in pre-loaded software that can't be "OK'd" because the buttons are off the screen. :(

    3. Re:Some information would be nice. by zlogic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Android is optimized for small screens and low-powered devices, with no unwanted background processes.
      Have you tried running Ubuntu (non-netbook edition) on a 10.2" screen at 1024x600 screen? Most apps simply don't fit on the screen, alt+mouse_drag only moves windows down, not up, meaning jumping through a lot of hoops simply to press OK in a dialog because it is below the screen.

    4. Re:Some information would be nice. by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

      can't you just turn the computer upside down and shake it till the button is visible?

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    5. Re:Some information would be nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unwanted background processes is what I want most.

    6. Re:Some information would be nice. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu works okay for me on my eeepc 701, but I can see the advantage of running android to the average computer user.

    7. Re:Some information would be nice. by nem75 · · Score: 1

      Because a netbook is a limited notebook?

    8. Re:Some information would be nice. by angryphase · · Score: 5, Informative
      • CPU: 533MHz Freescale i.MX31 ARM-based processor
      • Operating System: Google Android
      • Display: 800 x 480 pixel touchscreen (Sascha says it's not glossy, but you can see a fair bit of glare in the video)
      • RAM: 256MB
      • Storage: Up to 8GB SSD
      • I/O: 3 USB ports, mic, headphone, and 4-in-1 card reader
      • Weight: 680 grams, or about 1.5 pounds

      See working video of it here

    9. Re:Some information would be nice. by corsec67 · · Score: 5, Informative

      In most of the window managers I have used, if you hold alt, dragging anywhere on a window moves the window.

      Having the OK buttons off the screen is a very bad design, but it can be worked around.

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    10. Re:Some information would be nice. by value_added · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unless you just want to stick to VIM (or emacs), a 7 inch screen screws up a lot of user interfaces.

      Or possibly you mean switch away from vim or emacs? ;-)

      Seriously, I'd think that in a lot of cases, a small screen is actually more appropriate. Whenever I see someone using Outlook in full screen on a giant monitor, or using their browser in the same manner, I have to chuckle at the absurdity of it. You figure the ideal width of 74 characters or so for maximum readability and comprehension, but the latest and greatests in technology brings us mile-wide sentences?

      Or, as this is a tech site, how useful is it when trying to troubleshoot a system where the BIOS setup, boot messages and everything else appears in giant poster-sized fonts? No one's arms are long enough for that nonsense.

      I don't know what kind of person is representative of the netbook market, but I'd think that the majority of the great unwashed masses expect their computers to function like an appliance. A netbook seems to meet that requirement. So if checking email and browsing the web is all most people do, how big a screen do they really need?

    11. Re:Some information would be nice. by Daemonax · · Score: 0

      I have found with Gnome though at least, that you can't push a window up past the top of the screen, which has on one occassion been a huge pain when a massive unresizeable window opened with the next button at the bottom and off the screen. You can though of course use alt + a suitable letter to activate the buttons usually, but that requires knowing the correct char.

    12. Re:Some information would be nice. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Vim on such a machine can be very nice though. Most of the use I get from my Nokia 770 is running Vim. I can fit it and a folding keyboard in a couple of pockets, and I've then got a machine I can write articles on wherever I happen to be.

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    13. Re:Some information would be nice. by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Android is optimized for small screens and low-powered devices, with no unwanted background processes.
      Have you tried running Ubuntu (non-netbook edition) on a 10.2" screen at 1024x600 screen?

      FWIW I ran Mandrake with KDE on a Sony PictureBook C1XD (it was a pre Crusoe model, with a 400MHz PII) at 1024x480 for quite a while. Worked fine. Even back then (from 2000 to 2004 maybe, I didn't have to resize or drag around that many dialogs. The machine is still around. I have to update it (it has to boot from a floppy though, stupid hardware design) one of these days. I'm sure it'll still do fine with current software (well maybe not with digiKam or Blender).

      All in all the dialogs in the X11 environments are much better behaved than the ones in Windows. I never could understand why the Windows ones couldn't be resized (those horizontal scroll bars all over the place irritate me to no end whenever I have to use that system).

      Most apps simply don't fit on the screen, alt+mouse_drag only moves windows down, not up, meaning jumping through a lot of hoops simply to press OK in a dialog because it is below the screen.

      Alt-Mouse1 (usually, depends on your setup in your window manager, I bind it to left-window key on full keyboards) moves the window in whatever direction you move the mouse, down, up, even to the sides ! Typically you can click anywhere in a window and drag the window from there.

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    14. Re:Some information would be nice. by MSittig · · Score: 1

      Taekwindow can solve that problem on Windows.

    15. Re:Some information would be nice. by Tranzistors · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try what parent advised. It works under GNOME. Just grab by bottom of the window.

    16. Re:Some information would be nice. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Informative
      Note that the i.MX3 series is very old (in CPU terms). The current generation, the i.MX5, is based on the Cortex A8 and is a very nice chip capable of, among other things, running Flash and encoding H.264 in real time. The i.MX3 is an older generation (there was no i.MX4) based on an ARM11 core. It does have the VFP (vector / floating point) coprocessor, but does not support the NEON SIMD instruction set. It is likely to be significantly slower than a 600MHz A8 as found in something like the OMAP3, and a lot slower than the 1GHz A8 found in the i.MX5. The i.MX3 didn't have an on-die GPU, so this may be using a simple frame buffer while most A8 SoCs (OMAP3, i.MX5, etc) include an OpenGL 2.0 ES-compatible GPU.

      The A8 is currently in the process of being superseded by the Cortex A9, which includes a slightly improved pipeline, out-of-order execution, and support for up to 4 cores on a single die. ARM started licensing it a year ago, and SoCs based on the core (e.g. nVidia's Tegra) are beginning to appear.

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    17. Re:Some information would be nice. by tygerstripes · · Score: 1

      Etch-a-sketch was the netbook's logical precursor, now you come to mention it...

      Plus, if it's an Acer, shaking it would probably cause it to reboot anyway :-)

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    18. Re:Some information would be nice. by Narishma · · Score: 1

      Is that width (74 characters) really ideal or just some relic of old printers' limitations or some such?

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    19. Re:Some information would be nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which can't really always happen . I had a vm ubuntu to play around with reconstructor in virtualbox and until i installed virtualbox's guest additions and got a higher resolution i couldn't move around the interface - i couldn't reach the bottom of the reconstructor window.

    20. Re:Some information would be nice. by EponymousCustard · · Score: 1

      I have found with Gnome though at least, that you can't push a window up past the top of the screen, which has on one ..

      there is a way you can turn this off with a simple gconf command check the http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ for details

    21. Re:Some information would be nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a netbook not an iPhone, so that shaking and turning probably wouldn't work.

    22. Re:Some information would be nice. by jipn4 · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, some of them try to be "helpful" and prevent you from moving the window title above the top of the screen.

    23. Re:Some information would be nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The bottom of the window?? Are you retarded? "Guys, I can't get click anything in the bottom of this window." "My advice to you: click something in the bottom of the window. thxbai you need not pay me."

    24. Re:Some information would be nice. by moronoxyd · · Score: 2, Informative

      How about you read posts, think about what they are trying to tell you and then, maybe, post a reply?

      In any windowsmanager I know you can hold down the ALT key, and drag the windows by drag-clicking ANYWHERE within the window.
      GPs tip to click the bottom didn't mean the exact bottom of the window, but rather the lower part of the windows (so that you have enough space to move the window far enough up.

    25. Re:Some information would be nice. by sensei+moreh · · Score: 1

      I run Ubuntu (non-netbook edition) on my Acer Aspire One with its 8.9" 1024x600 screen. Many apps fit, some don't, alt+mouse_drag works in both directions (required a GConf tweak to make it work with Compiz, but it worked as expected with Metacity). That being said, more pixels would be greatly appreciated

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    26. Re:Some information would be nice. by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

      It looks like it's not capable of running a webserver.

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    27. Re:Some information would be nice. by erikina · · Score: 2, Informative

      Damn it. If only I didn't burn my mod points being constructive, I could have so much fun abusing the mod system on this stupidity.

      By starting the drag from the bottom of the visible screen you have more room to drag it up before your mouse hits the top of the screen.

    28. Re:Some information would be nice. by hidden · · Score: 1

      Actually, there's no stupidity here. In gnome (at least on debian) the default is to stop when the top of the window hits the top of the screen. Regardless of how you are manipulating the window/where your mouse is/whatever. Of course, I think there's some obscure gconf option to change the behavior.

    29. Re:Some information would be nice. by erikina · · Score: 1

      Even so, his criticism isn't valid. I use KDE/KWin so don't have this problem, but some posts below me say this is an issue with compiz (as opposed to the default window manager, metacity).

    30. Re:Some information would be nice. by FordPrefect276709 · · Score: 1

      you could if it was a mac...

    31. Re:Some information would be nice. by Raumkraut · · Score: 1

      If the window is already at the top of the screen, and you initiate a move action via the window-decoration context menu (right click on the border, or alt+space), you can move windows beyond the top of the screen - provided you don't first move the window downward.

    32. Re:Some information would be nice. by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Funny

      Trust me: 7 inches doesn't mean much if you don't have the girth to go with it.

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    33. Re:Some information would be nice. by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Well, then Ubuntu's default GNOME configuration must be different from Debian's, despite the former being based on the latter, because I can move a window so that the top of the window is past the the top of the screen.

      Ditto for Red Hat/Fedora. All KDE and XFCE implementations I've used allow this as well.

    34. Re:Some information would be nice. by hattig · · Score: 1

      No, this doesn't work - never mind that if the OK button is off the screen, then you can't "grab by bottom of the window" anyway.

      Gnome appears to force windows to not be taken off the top of the screen, meaning you can never get to the Okay buttons at the bottom. I suggest adding some titlebar buttons for dialog-style windows, with "OK", "Cancel" on them for netbooks, where the user can opt to enable them (presumably in a GUI panel with the OK button on the screen).

      However the real solution (that is still non-ideal) is to have a bigger virtual X desktop - I don't know if this is possible with Compiz accelerated desktops, but it was easy back in the 2D days.

    35. Re:Some information would be nice. by hattig · · Score: 1

      Doesn't work in Gnome (Compiz window manager) on Ubuntu 9.4. Top of window cannot go off the top of the screen.

    36. Re:Some information would be nice. by hattig · · Score: 1

      This does work on Compiz/Gnome/Ubuntu 9.4, but it requires the user to know the alt+space option, or to know that window borders have context menus.

    37. Re:Some information would be nice. by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Until recently (Intrepid?) it didn't work - the window manager would definitely refuse to hide the title bar off screen. You could draw the window all you wanted down, left, right, but up - nope, the title bar must remain visible.

      My workaround was adding extra workspace row below. Horrible experience.

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    38. Re:Some information would be nice. by hattig · · Score: 1

      As a proof of concept this device is neat, but as pointed out it needs to be thinner (looks like some of the ports are keeping it thick, so move the screen hinge forward with the ports behind taking up the base+lid width) and use the more up to date ARM SoC.

      Or you could take the internals of the Palm Pre which outspec this device, and use that instead.

    39. Re:Some information would be nice. by Dacotah · · Score: 1

      can't you just turn the computer upside down and shake it till the button is visible?

      I tried that, but my screen disappeared.

    40. Re:Some information would be nice. by SleepingWaterBear · · Score: 1

      True, but it works fine without Compiz (Metacity I guess). I doubt that a 7" netbook has the hardware to support compositing anyway, so Compiz would be a really particularly bad choice for window manager on this device.

    41. Re:Some information would be nice. by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      If you want to run ubuntu on a netbook specifically an aspireone but a lot applies to netbooks in general
      may i recommend this page. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne
      There are similar pages but if your Netbook hasn't got a page you can easily start one contribute the bits you know and others will add the bits you don't.

      To remove the y constraint (allowing you to move your windows up and not just down) enter this in a terminal

      gconftool-2 --set /apps/compiz/plugins/move/allscreens/options/constrain_y --type bool 0

      Theres a couple of other things that can help right click the menu bars top and bottom and add the show hide buttons sometimes thats just enough to make buttons visible.

      you could also perhaps rotate the screen into portrait mode (not that useful as a work around).

      For long term improvements please file a bug report, the developers may be quite unaware that they have made an unusable ui for netbook users and may not realise there is an issue.

    42. Re:Some information would be nice. by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 1

      In any windowsmanager I know you can hold down the ALT key, and drag the windows by drag-clicking ANYWHERE within the window.

      Thanks. That is a trick I didn't know. It doesn't (at least on my system) work with maximized windows but does with non maximized ones.

    43. Re:Some information would be nice. by FrankieBaby1986 · · Score: 2, Informative

      CompizConfig settings manager has a plugin called "move window" which provides window movement. You can set mouse and keyboard shortcuts to move windows, as well as choose to "Constain y".

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    44. Re:Some information would be nice. by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      You shook it too hard. ALL the bit came out. Now you have to find them and put them back. I recommend tweezers, they are very small.

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    45. Re:Some information would be nice. by Nikker · · Score: 1

      That's not a bug! It's a feature!

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    46. Re:Some information would be nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you using Compiz on a 7" screen?

    47. Re:Some information would be nice. by zlogic · · Score: 1

      In Ubuntu either Gnome or Compiz doesn't allow the window's title to be moved higher than the upper gnome-panel, even with Alt-Mouse1.

    48. Re:Some information would be nice. by jhol13 · · Score: 1

      My advice: Create four (virtual) desktops in 2x2. Then you can "easily-ish" get to "OK" by alt + down arrow.

      I agree, it is horrible mistake in Gnome not to be able to use 1024x600 as in every case I have seen the window could trivially be e.g. 700x500 without any loss in usability.

    49. Re:Some information would be nice. by iamhigh · · Score: 1

      can't you just turn the computer upside down and shake it till the button is visible?

      Won't that erase the image on the screen!?!? That's what it did on my first laptop.

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    50. Re:Some information would be nice. by hotfireball · · Score: 1

      Well yeah... but that's because software developers has no idea how to make GUI properly, hence you use GUI No One Might Enjoy, which is getting to be better, but still not really what I would daily admire. :-(

      In general, it is about resolution, not about screen size itself. Plus, if GNOME would stop wars with KDE :-) (I just dream about that) then maybe they would finally find some common language (I mean, in English or French or German, not C/C++...) and made a standards finally.

      But I would agree: that's a bad software design and having buttons off-screen is a shame, regardless you can workaround it with Alt+drag or not. :-(

    51. Re:Some information would be nice. by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Android is optimized for small screens

      Of course. Can you imagine being a 7-inch android, and straining your neck to look up at a big-screen TV?

    52. Re:Some information would be nice. by hotfireball · · Score: 1

      Have you tried running Ubuntu (non-netbook edition) on a 10.2" screen at 1024x600 screen?

      No! I am OpenSolaris guy... :-P But yeah, software developers somewhat thinking that monitors only grows up in size and everybody are gonna use 4096x2160 or something very similar even on a pocket PDA. That's really unfortunately for software design... :-(

      But again, that's about window manager and layout. I had a various talks about GUI representation in XML, since GUI are just simple documents, after all. So if you have it as a common XML (which you can pre-compile, of course, to do not overbloat your machine with a stupid diskwaste), yet you might fit it for any sort of platform etc. Maybe this will be done one day, but that's the whole community across whole communities to decide and agree together (which happens as often as a visible comet impact into the Moon).

    53. Re:Some information would be nice. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that. I don't really have the attention span for videos ;-)

    54. Re:Some information would be nice. by csartanis · · Score: 1

      /facepalm

    55. Re:Some information would be nice. by zlogic · · Score: 1

      Thanks a lot for the tip!

    56. Re:Some information would be nice. by ebuck · · Score: 1

      Turn off desktop effects. Apparently there's some code in there which prevents the top of the window from exceeding the top of the screen.

    57. Re:Some information would be nice. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      But not Android. It is set up for cell phones which have much smaller screens.

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    58. Re:Some information would be nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sascha says it's not glossy, but you can see a fair bit of glare in the video

      maybe related to the fact that he didn't remove the plastic foil...

    59. Re:Some information would be nice. by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Works fine with Kde. Another strange design decision by Gnome. Maybe you can switch this off in their Gconf thing...

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    60. Re:Some information would be nice. by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Somehow I have the feeling that my phone has got better specs.

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    61. Re:Some information would be nice. by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      BTW, why I need Android (roughly saying, a limited Linux) on my netbook if there is a regular Linux?..

      Well, it means that you'll be running a GUI designed to run on low-powered computers with very small touch screens, and have access to an App Store full of apps designed to run on low-powered computers with small touch screens.

      With a regular Linux - you won't. You'll be running a full-strength GUI with maybe a small-screen-friendly launcher grafted on and applications designed for full-strength PCs. If you're really, really lucky someone will have checked that all the crucial configuration dialogues actually fit on the screen - although, by now, it will only be enthusiastically supporting the higher-end Netbooks with larger screens and faster processors.

      Of course, as someone with a 6-digit slashdot ID, you may want a tiny netbook as a SSH terminal for logging into servers, want to play with Python scripts in the bath, go wardriving on a pushbike or persue other nerdly dreams. In that case then, no, This Is Not For You (and you'd probably run Xfce and know how to tweak xorg.conf to do proper screen panning anyway).

      However, on this one, battery life looks like a big FAIL & I'm not sure basic clamshell is a good design for a touch screen.

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    62. Re:Some information would be nice. by J0nne · · Score: 0, Redundant

      This is a preference in compiz. If you install compiz settings manager (ccsm), you can change this. Start it, click the 'move window' button, and uncheck 'constrain Y'.

      This is the bug report on the default setting, if you want to vote for it..

    63. Re:Some information would be nice. by Eivind+Eklund · · Score: 1

      Doesn't work for me.

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    64. Re:Some information would be nice. by Starteck81 · · Score: 1

      can't you just turn the computer upside down and shake it till the button is visible?

      Isn't that the reboot command?

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    65. Re:Some information would be nice. by Vancorps · · Score: 1

      Disable window effects and then it will work. I've never had this problem on Ubuntu with Gnome but I always disable the effects as I don't think they add anything of value especially on my netbook. I use the alt+mouse all the time with it for the very reasons already mentioned here.

    66. Re:Some information would be nice. by Vancorps · · Score: 1

      I would use Linux4One except that the kernel is missing a lot of useful stuff such as usb-to-serial drivers. By the time I installed enough software that I could compile modules I might as well have just installed Ubuntu and fixed the minor issues with it. My other complaint was that the kernel source was very hard to get so making drivers was exceedingly difficult. So much so that I went back to Ubuntu on my Aspire One.

    67. Re:Some information would be nice. by FlopEJoe · · Score: 1

      There's probably an app for that on the i(Phone|Touch)

    68. Re:Some information would be nice. by dna_(c)(tm)(r) · · Score: 1

      Have you tried running Ubuntu (non-netbook edition) on a 10.2" screen at 1024x600 screen? Most apps simply don't fit on the screen, alt+mouse_drag only moves windows down, not up, meaning jumping through a lot of hoops simply to press OK in a dialog because it is below the screen.

      I have, and it was also slow on Aspire One (512MB), that's probably why they had Ubuntu NBR (Net Book Remix) ready very soon. I like it. Great for reading pdf's and such or testing networks...

    69. Re:Some information would be nice. by zlogic · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu NBR seems to be missing some packages, like bash command autocompletion or NTFS-3G. I spent half an hour trying to copy stuff from an external NTFS-formatted HDD before realizing this. Although NBR is indeed a very nice distro, I wish they removed only the packages that were 100% not wanted on a netbook.

    70. Re:Some information would be nice. by amoeba1911 · · Score: 1

      The size of the screen has nothing to do with that, it's from the resolution. The first generation EeePC's have resolution of 800x480 pixels, most interfaces are designed for at least 800x600 usually more like 1024x768

      The Fujitsu U820 has a 5.6" screen with a resolution of 1280x800. It's much smaller than the EeePC's display but there's a whole lot more screen space.

    71. Re:Some information would be nice. by hattig · · Score: 0

      Intel GMA950 is more than enough for Compiz, and takes load off of the CPU. It's actually sensible to use it over non-Compiz on low-end devices, in my opinion. I did find how to move it off the top of the screen, using the context menu on the window titlebar.

    72. Re:Some information would be nice. by hotfireball · · Score: 1

      App Store â" yeah. But it is also means that I will be seriously limited to the scope of applications. First of all, current Android implementation means all apps are in Java. This means there is no way I would run OpenOffice.org or KMail on it. Therefore it still needs a years to spin it out. Now, comparing to iPhone, Android makes sense on mobile devices indeed. But how it makes sense to use mobile applications on a small full-featured PC (well, just not a screamer by its hardware, I agree) -- this does not makes much sense to me personally, if honestly... I mean, it's cool, but is it really practical?.. Who knows. Will see after all. :-)

    73. Re:Some information would be nice. by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      This means there is no way I would run OpenOffice.org or KMail on it.

      Then you're missing the point of the "smartbook" idea: they're a better way of running the sort of custom-designed applications you see on the iPhone/Android rather than a worse way of running [Open]Office.

      That aspect of the original EEE whithered on the vine somewhat in favour of the netbook as a small, cheap but fully capable PC laptop.

      Unfortunately, the netbook makers saw Linux as a way of getting a cheap off-the-peg operating system, in which they rapidly lost intrest when MS made them a better offer, and there's been no real development of original applications for netbooks.

      Android, at least, represents a group with a commitment to producing a platform tailored for small devices and an established bank of original applications.

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    74. Re:Some information would be nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      can't you just turn the computer upside down and shake it till the button is visible?

      Doesn't this erase the screen?

  2. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check out the video on the site, they're covering all the specs in it

  3. SLASHDOTTED? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For how slow the website is running I'm guessing it's running from one of the devices.

  4. Ultra Small Resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I evaluated a freescale board for a major computer manufacture and we ended up deciding not to go with it. Sure its a fast ARM chip and the video processor supports multimedia acceleration but the resolution is tiny. The max resolution when we looked at it was 1024x768(I beleive this was it, we needed much higher). So don't except to be able to hook these things up to an external monitor unless they go with a different video card.

    The good news about all these arm manufactures coming out with netbooks is they really try to support the Linux community and are actively submitting patches.

    1. Re:Ultra Small Resolution by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wouldn't call it "ultra small" resolution. The latest from eeePC in the economical range is the 1000HE and according to amazon, this 10" has 1024x600 res, worse than this with 3 more inches.

      I believe Dell's offering has better res but not sure. (Of course, it could be bigger too, defeating the purpose.)

      BTW, wtf is with slashdot and the random bars in my browser?

    2. Re:Ultra Small Resolution by ColaMan · · Score: 1

      Fucking hell. 1024x768 is "Ultra small resolution"?

      The cpu is relatively slow, most users in this range run only one app full-screen at any one time and 1024x768 is perfectly fine on a 15-21" monitor.

      Don't get all pixel-snobby here, or I'll be forced to mention my mis-spent youth programming Coco II games and the oddball CGA resolutions like 160x100 - which, coincidentally, is about the resolution of my basic Samsung phone at present.

      So I'll do you a deal - once your phone is routinely capable of 1024x768 on its display, that's when you can call 1024x768 "Ultra small resolution"

      (kids these days. geez. :-p)

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      There is a lot of hype here.
    3. Re:Ultra Small Resolution by hattig · · Score: 1

      These modern ARM SoCs could also be aimed at 1080p media devices, so they should start supporting 1920x1080 with HDMI soon. That means that even high-resolution netbooks with 1366x768 widescreen displays (HP2140HD) would be supported.

    4. Re:Ultra Small Resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the screen is 7" and you use it to watch 720p movies, what do you want more pixels for? Higher res would only slow it down, and you'd have to get really close to see any difference.

  5. Servers on netbooks? by IBBoard · · Score: 3, Funny

    It looks like they're running their server on a netbook as well - Slashdot has brought it to its knees with only a few comments on the topic so far :)

    1. Re:Servers on netbooks? by IBBoard · · Score: 2, Informative

      And just as he says that, after a minute of sitting and loading, the page finally appears! Oh well, I'm sure it'll be true soon enough :D

      In case it does happen, the video is on YouTube at http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/v/2ZlKnubPUbk&hl=en&fs=1&color1=0x3a3a3a&color2=0x999999&hd=1

  6. Site slow by boiert · · Score: 4, Informative

    Better link the youtube video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZlKnubPUbk

  7. Runs only two and half hours by Vuojo · · Score: 1, Interesting

    No thanks. I would expect at least 10 hours of battery life from a netbook running an ARM processor.

  8. Windows Key? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone noticed the Windows Key on it ? :D

    1. Re:Windows Key? by Halborr · · Score: 1

      I know! If this is Android based why do we need a flipping windows key? Perhaps they are planning to offer a windows version later... They probably just couldn't find a laptop-style keyboard without a windows key though.

  9. You killed the android server hosting the website! by jsse · · Score: 1
    But it doesn't matter. The story was just a Youtube Video embedded in it and the following one-line message:

    The Google Android powered GL-750 from GNB is a 7-inch netbook that's powered by a Freescale iMX31 processor.

  10. OK, saw it and my likes and dislikes are: by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Informative

    First of all, it's a real netbook, with keyboard and touchpad (I wish it had the nipple, but ok) and all the connectors one can find on a number of (intel-based) netbooks. So this is good - this is the first real ARM-based netbook I have seen so far.

    I like the weight - 650g! Amazingly light.

    But battery consumption is not good. It will work for 2.5 hours on one charge. That's pathetic.

    --
    "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
    1. Re:OK, saw it and my likes and dislikes are: by jipn4 · · Score: 1

      I wish it had the nipple

      Don't we all

    2. Re:OK, saw it and my likes and dislikes are: by Ren.Tamek · · Score: 1

      I agree there. Once I saw the battery life, it was end of discussion about the device for me. 5 hours battery during full use is my absolute minimum for a portable device like this, anything else is borderline pointless.

      --
      "If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever." - George Orwell, 1984
    3. Re:OK, saw it and my likes and dislikes are: by SpinyNorman · · Score: 1

      But battery consumption is not good. It will work for 2.5 hours on one charge.

      That's amazingly bad! I thought Freescale = ARM (= low power), but maybe not.

      Yesterday's article about the range of ARM based netbooks at Computex mentioned battery life of 8-12 hours, so this isn't even remotely in the ballpark.

    4. Re:OK, saw it and my likes and dislikes are: by guisar · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yeah- two design features I don't get are the stupid touchpads and crappy batteries. Netbook manufacturers are you listening- DITCH THE DAMN TOUCHPADS. Hardly anyone uses them- it just ends up taking up very valuable keyboard real estate and periodically moving my cursor around in unexpected ways. I hate these damn things.

      Secondly- 2.5hrs may be enough for regular laptop users who just use the thing as an overly expensive, delicate desktop anyway but netbooks are actually meant to be carried around and as such need to have much better battery life. I think five hours actual running time is mandatory. As a benchmark my 1000HA (with an aftermarket battery since ASUS hasn't grasped that people really, really care about battery life) has a TEN hour (that's 1-0) run time with Wi-fi. Come on netbook makers- take our cash- give us the option of getting decent batteries and don't waste our time and money on 2-3 hour runtimes. It's just not acceptable.

    5. Re:OK, saw it and my likes and dislikes are: by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      I much prefer a touchpad. As far as keyboard space goes, my laptop's keyboard already occupies the full width of the screen, how would increased depth help?

    6. Re:OK, saw it and my likes and dislikes are: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love my touchpad! I've had 2 different eeePC models, and I think the touchpad on my 9" model is a good enough size (the touchpad on the 7" was too small).

    7. Re:OK, saw it and my likes and dislikes are: by ebuck · · Score: 1

      The ARM is not the only items that drains power.

      It could be the screen, the wireless card, the ethernet chip, the disk drive, or some messed up code that keeps the CPU far too busy for no particular reason whatsoever. For example, my wife's Acer Aspire One has a very low power CPU attached at the hip to a power sucking memory controller. Go figure.

      I'm sure they'll eventually get the kinks worked out.

  11. True netbook by YourExperiment · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nice to see another "proper" netbook being brought to market - 7" devices are what started the ball rolling. Ultra-portability combined with a cheap price is what defines a netbook. The term has become so diluted that it's being applied to 12" machines, and machines which cost as much as a traditional laptop.

    1. Re:True netbook by Narishma · · Score: 1

      That's what defines a netbook for you. Everybody seems to have his/her own definition of what a netbook is. For me it's any laptop that's less than $500 and less than 15".

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    2. Re:True netbook by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      I agree, everyone seems to define it however they like. But the original definition was useful, it told a potential buyer something about the product in a single word.

      To me, what you define as a netbook is simply a cheap laptop. :)

    3. Re:True netbook by nyctopterus · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's a pretty strange definition. Almost pointless I'd say. An old G3 Powerbook would qualify--and let me tell you, they ain't no netbook.

      I would define it something more like: an ultraportable laptop designed to maximize portability by using cheaper components rather than more expensive ones.

  12. Goliath National Bank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    GNB = Goliath National Bank?

    1. Re:Goliath National Bank by Wisconsingod · · Score: 1

      I guess i'm not the only one who saw GNB and thought Goliath National Bank (not Giant)...

  13. Pondering on power consumption... by commlinx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've done quite a bit of work on ARM processors without an operating system and limited work using ARM9 devices with a Gentoo based distro and something I've wondered is if under Linux there's a way to conveniently enable low-power mode essentially putting the processor to sleep while allowing certain peripherals to remain running? An obvious example would be leaving the LCD controller running to display an e-book page while the CPU was in sleep mode or running at a low clock rate until a button is pressed. I know how to do that when programming most ARM CPUs natively, but are there any attempts out there to standardize some low power behaviour for the kernel?

    It could really help some of these devices that are no doubt often used for a single task at a time. Perhaps it could even be in the form of some sort of system call that allowed a process to request the minimum slice of CPU time per second and wake-up latency required per task and the scheduler could determine the required clock frequency and possible sleep time required to fulfil the requirements of every process. Just seems to me it could be a way to extend the battery life and take advantange of some of the amazing low-power modes of newer ARM cores in a standard manner.

    1. Re:Pondering on power consumption... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it'll never work. on your average linux or windows os, there's dozens of services and background processes running on ~1sec timers doing various stuff.

      your global sleep time would have to be like 10ms or someth,.

      problem is that most apps and os services on modern "big" os's assume that they're running on a big ol x86 always-on cpu.

  14. I've got one already... by Pembers · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...or something very much like it.

    It's called a CnMBook. Have a look at this page. (Yeah, I know - bare IP address looks suspicious. I don't think the manufacturer's quite got the hang of this Internet thing. Google is your friend if you don't trust me.) It's sold under a lot of different names.

    The specs are similar to the gadget on show here. Mine has a slower CPU, less memory and no touch screen. Battery life is 2.5-3 hours. The OS is a heavily-customised Debian. I love the small size and low weight. I can fit it into my coat pocket. The screen is nice and clear. The keyboard is reasonable, but is prone to registering phantom keystrokes - running vi is therefore not recommended. I don't know if it's just mine that does this, or if it's a design flaw.

    The main app I run on it is a text editor. It's a bit slow for anything else.

    I paid £139 for mine just before Christmas. I bought it from Maplin, who are now selling them off for £99 - probably because they were evasive about it not running Windows. They now have a Windows CE version of it, which has "Windows CE" in the product name.

    1. Re:I've got one already... by Aggrajag · · Score: 1

      Very interesting looking device and they also offer all source code on their website.

      It seems you have the MIPS version of the device, I wonder if the ARM based is any
      different (faster etc.) as they don't seem the provide complete specs for the actual
      CPUs they use.

    2. Re:I've got one already... by Pembers · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, they might not understand the Internet, but they understand their obligations under the GPL :-)

      The CPU in mine is a 400MHz MIPS clone. No idea how that compares with an x86 or ARM device. It has 128MB of RAM and 2GB of on-board flash. It has an SD slot and 3 USB sockets, so you could plug 4GB into each of those, for a (rather unwieldy) 16GB of additional storage.

      It takes about 2 minutes to boot into an X desktop. More annoying is that it doesn't have a suspend or hibernate mode - or if it does, I haven't found it. It has a key with "Zzz" written on it, but this just switches off the screen backlight. Still, it does what I bought it for.

    3. Re:I've got one already... by david.given · · Score: 1

      It's called a CnMBook.

      That looks like a rebadged SkyTone Alpha 400, a.k.a. the World's Cheapest Laptop (it hit the news here a while back). There's about a dozen different products based on it for sale.

      They look fascinating, and at some point I want to get one. I can think of lots of things to do with one, from using it as a cheap web browsing appliance to a lightweight mini server to a serial console to an automation computer. Plus, MIPS is cool. Skytone appear to be working on successor models to the 400, but they have ARM processors.

    4. Re:I've got one already... by subbyUK · · Score: 1

      Even at £100 looks like a waste of money. 128 ram and 2 gig?? For the same price you could pick up a old school eeepc. 7", 512, 8 gig. Mine runs Jaunty + XP, and can run Autocad 2009 (it's fine once its been loaded into RAM) runs great with 2 gig ram upgade. About the earlier ALT+dragging window advice, that saved me a few times. Worth mentioning there is a compiz fusion setting that overrides it, constrain X/Y axis or something. If Alt-dragging won't let you drag past the top of the screen it might be worth checking this setting. Anyhoo, lee :D

    5. Re:I've got one already... by Pembers · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's the one. It's sold under so many different names that I have no idea which is the real one and which are just symlinks.

    6. Re:I've got one already... by Pembers · · Score: 1

      Even when I bought it, it wasn't the best value for money. The attractions were the small size and low weight, and the fact it ran Linux out of the box.

      To me, this machine is essentially a portable electric typewriter. I write novels (as if you can't tell from my sig!) and I want something I can use for writing when I'm away from home. For years, I used a Psion 5mx, which I eventually gave up on when the touch screen stopped being touch-sensitive.

      I'd wanted to replace the Psion, but couldn't find anything with a decent screen and keyboard of a similar size and weight that didn't come with Windows out of the box (wanting to avoid the MS tax). I don't like to buy second-hand, as you don't know how careful the previous owner was.

      Then along came the eeePc, and I thought it was what I'd been waiting for... until I saw it ran Xandros. Their patent deal with MS makes them a non-starter for me.

      Then I saw the CnMBook / Alpha 400 / whatever else it's called. I noted that it had a CPU on which no current version of Windows will run (I think NT had a MIPS port about 15 years ago). I couldn't find anything not to like about their Linux distro, so I treated myself to an early Christmas present :-)

    7. Re:I've got one already... by ciderVisor · · Score: 1

      There's a great user forum for this class of device here. One of the users, Wicknix, has created his own distro called 3MX, and has just completed a build of Debian Etch (for MIPSEL). I use the Elonex ONEt version with the default Linux OS and find it a lot of fun.

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    8. Re:I've got one already... by Pembers · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that. I've had a quick look around it just now, and I'll definitely be spending some more time there.

      I replaced the default distro with Xenium, as I wanted something a bit more familiar. Sadly, the guy who created it looks to have lost interest in it, so it's good to see someone else picking up the torch.

    9. Re:I've got one already... by Thag · · Score: 1

      Another good site for that line of machines is Little Linux Laptop.

      I've got one, and am now running 3MX on it. 3MX makes it better, but still has some issues.

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  15. I fear... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    ... we have to go trough the whole miniaturization race again, that already happened with phones.

    Remember when phones got smaller, and smaller, and lighter, and lighter.
    Until people were unable to use them anymore.
    It was even parodied. For example in the movie "Dodgeball", where a main character owned a phone that was roughly this size: http://www.unwiredview.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/mds-mobile-projector.jpg

    Then the phones got bigger again. Even bigger PDAs came out. Etc.

    A full qwertz keyboard only makes sense, if the keys are at least as wide, as the distance between your fingers. And then still, it's a real pain to type on them, unless the halves are split by an angle, and positioned correctly.

    Luckily, I'm working on a nice thing, that might end the need for keyboards. (No, I can't give you details. Cry me a river. :P)

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    1. Re:I fear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But look what this resulted in. Some of these smartphones are barely the size of your hand, and are running windows mobile OS platforms with word processing and browsers. The iPhone has damn near everything on it. The products that result from the miniaturization race are able to take advantage of the techniques that are developed to shrink these devices to make a normal size device that much more powerful. There is nothing wrong with this aspect of the development cycle.

    2. Re:I fear... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      A full qwertz keyboard only makes sense if you're German

      Fixed that for you ;-)

      if the keys are at least as wide, as the distance between your fingers.

      If you're a crappy typist like me, hunt and peck works even on an undersized keyboard. As a former Psion 3 & 5 user, I speak from experience.

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    3. Re:I fear... by Ender_Stonebender · · Score: 1

      And an AZERTY keyboard makes sense if you're...um, French, I think. Or live in a French-speaking country.

      Hunt & peck works surprisingly well for a large number of people. Most people I know don't touch-type but achieve reasonable typing speeds. Even with thumb-typing on a cell phone with fully keyboard, a reasonable speed can be achieved without much effort as long as the layout is one you are familiar with.

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    4. Re:I fear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure it wasn't Zoolander? (Which is, incidentally, one of the finest comedies of the last decade.)

    5. Re:I fear... by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      How do you misspell a word like Qwerty? Did you post to slashdot on your cellphone or something?

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  16. 7-Inch Android Netbook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suppose I'm the only one who thought of a little robot with a netbook.

  17. Carte di credito by Carte+di+credito · · Score: 0

    That controller is able to limit the current to the motor too, which is nice, and all you have to do is plug it into your computer or laptop and you can program everything. The best feature is to limit the amps to the motor at least to test it out and set it gradually higher and higher to determine how much the motor can take without getting too hot under abuse. Hmmm one of these is rated at 7000 watts, for the price of 3 its about 450 dollars, but you get 21000 watts, the etek is about half that. Now thats value! lo Carte di credito

  18. Hunting for the next line by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is that width (74 characters) really ideal or just some relic of old printers' limitations or some such?

    There's a reason that even with today's digital typesetting, printed newspapers have five or six columns of text and not one column running across the whole page. On a reasonably-wide column (30em to 40em, or 60 to 80 characters), your eyes can find the next line while your brain is processing the last words on the current line. Otherwise, hunting for the next line interrupts your train of thought.

    1. Re:Hunting for the next line by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      On a reasonably-wide column (30em to 40em, or 60 to 80 characters), your eyes can find the next line while your brain is processing the last words on the current line. Otherwise, hunting for the next line interrupts your train of thought.

      Actually, with a reasonably narrow column, an experienced reader can take a line at a single glance, and read through a column without moving their eyes sideways.

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    2. Re:Hunting for the next line by value_added · · Score: 1

      ... printed newspapers have five or six columns of text and not one column running across the whole page

      God help us when that "dying industry" is replaced with on-line content. As it is now, I mostly dump pages I'm interested in reading using lynx, and while that's hardly ideal, it'll do until the dust settles in the Kindle arena.

      IIRC, there was a UK newspaper that offered a feature that would display the article in multi-column format in a new window. Immensely readable, but the extra clicks made it annoying.

  19. Just use Fluxbox by A12m0v · · Score: 0

    GNOME is awful!

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  20. Chorme? by lowtek77 · · Score: 1

    Are you using Chrome? I just noticed them running through the comments as well--very annoying.

    1. Re:Chorme? by HybridJeff · · Score: 1

      I've got it too, I've noticed it in Chrome and Firefox.

  21. More info from video. by spaceturtle · · Score: 2, Informative

    Also has an Ethernet port. Estimated run time of 2.5 hours. Apparently will also come in 2GB SSD, 128MiB ram options.

    1. Re:More info from video. by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Estimated run time of 2.5 hours.

      That's pretty bad. Most existing netbooks, both Windows- and Linux-based, manage more than that.

  22. Nobody noticed this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's running Android, but it's got a windows button in the bottom left of the keyboard...

  23. Just what we need... by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 0

    ...more competition from another 7 inch robotic device. Like we geeks don't have enough problems getting dates.

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  24. Sounds like a joke by sootman · · Score: 1

    A guy walks into a bar with a tiny piano and a 7-inch Android...

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  25. Giant National Bank by maxbash · · Score: 1

    I knew they were taking over as a major bank in New York. I missed the episode of "How I met your mother" were they branch into netbooks.

  26. Speaking of equally important netbook features by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

    It doesn't have RAID or ECC RAM.

  27. I prefer a refurbished eee 900A for 165 USD by maitas · · Score: 1

    It is more usefull an Asus Eee 900A that you can get it for 165 USD refurbished from ebay, including shipping.

      For more usefull I mean you can install Windows that runs shockwave... Why you might ask? My kids use online games that run on shockwave... unfortunatelly.

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  29. That keyboard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like the compactness, but it's so damn hard to type on these things. User input is kind of important to computing.

  30. Netbooknews.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apologies about the site, we've re-allocated some more resources to it now and it should be running much faster.

  31. Re:GNB = ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gnu's Not BSD

  32. must have been hard by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

    My ex-girl friend told me once that the 7" ones where difficult to find.

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    Having to work for a living is the root of all evil.
  33. 7inches...cool... by fostro1 · · Score: 1

    right...I suppose there is some sort of market demand for something with a 7in screen? Like, for gnomes...

  34. Re:hang of the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps someone with the hang of this Internet thing could type "host 194.150.201.35" on his/her keyboard and find out that the reverese dns mapping is www.kmscomponents.com.