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Weather Balloons To Provide Broadband In Africa

An anonymous reader writes "Two African entrepreneurs have secured exclusive access to market near-space technology — developed by Space Data, an American telecommunications company — throughout Africa. The technology raises hydrogen-filled weather balloons to 80,000 — 100,000 feet, which individuals contact via modems. The balloons, in turn, serve as satellite substitutes which can connect Africans to broadband Internet. 'Network operation centers are located close to a fiber optic cable — say, in Lagos or Accra — and a signal is sent back and forth to the [balloon] in near space,' says one of the entrepreneurs, Timothy Anyasi. The technology will also allow mobile phone operators to offer wireless modems to customers."

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  1. This will be nice by stoolpigeon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    to fill the gap until we get UAVs that can stay up for extended periods of time.

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    1. Re:This will be nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...until we get UAVs to do target practice on them."

      Remember chemistry class and hydrogen balloons? Those were fun times.

    2. Re:This will be nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A weather balloon IS a UAV that can stay up for extended periods of time.

    3. Re:This will be nice by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why do you want to over engineer things? A balloon is easy to make, cheap to make and can stay up for days.

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    4. Re:This will be nice by stoolpigeon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      These don't - they stay up for 24 hours. DARPA has people working on fixed wing aircraft that will stay up for months. That's not over engineering - that's much better than this.

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    5. Re:This will be nice by rcw-home · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Remember chemistry class and hydrogen balloons? Those were fun times.

      Honestly, I hope they use hydrogen for this. Helium is uniquely non-replaceable. It's the product of very slow alpha particle decay, trapped in natural gas fields and such. We'll eventually empty those natural gas fields. There are lots of other ways to make energy, and we can make natural gas if we need methane, specifically, for whatever reason. But we can't make helium except through nuclear fusion. Even then, if fusion delivered 100% of earth's electricity needs, it'd only create a small fraction of what we currently use per year.

      We'll always have plenty of hydrogen because it bonds to everything. Helium doesn't, so once you crack open that helium tank, it's just a matter of time until it floats off into space, where it's as good as gone.

    6. Re:This will be nice by evilviper · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why do you want to over engineer things? A balloon is easy to make, cheap to make and can stay up for days.

      Perhaps because: "The balloons come down every 24 hours due to the limitations of battery life -- and to keep them from floating into territories that don't subscribe to the service. "You're looking at a wide geographic area -- there's a wide jet stream at near space"

      BTW, you'll NEVER GUESS where that quote came from... NEVER!

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    7. Re:This will be nice by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      Let's take the 24 hours as the limit. I imagine if you designed a different type of balloon with a different shape, you could easily increase this. But for example's sake, let's stick with 24 hours.

      According to the article, these things cost $50/each. Predators cost $15 Million. I wonder what a UAV that stays up for months would cost. Even if you got the cost down to $1 Million, you can send up quite a few balloons for much cheaper.

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    8. Re:This will be nice by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      So is this a balloon on a 100,000' tether?

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    9. Re:This will be nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to fill the gap until we get UAVs that can stay up for extended periods of time.

      A weather balloon IS an Unmanned Ariel Vehicle. Unless you are trying to say they are putting people in them.
      And last time I checked, they already stay up for extended periods of time anyhow.

      But I get what you meant- you meant an unmanned airplane of some type. I would personally think that a small blimp-type vehicle would be the best option, it would have enough maneuverability and control to stay essentially in a fixed place, and come back to a base for repairs or maintenance.

    10. Re:This will be nice by 2obvious4u · · Score: 2, Funny

      From the TFA? I wouldn't know I didn't read it...

    11. Re:This will be nice by stoolpigeon · · Score: 3, Informative

      The longer a balloon is up - the farther it is going to travel. Anything to change that will drive up costs. And switch around the comparison - so that it makes economic sense. What's the cost of an ultra-endurance airplane compared to a satellite?

      The Vulture program is aiming for an aircraft that can keep a 1,000 lb payload up for at least 5 years - over a designated area 99% of the time. That's further out - but it makes more sense than balloons for quite a few reasons.

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    12. Re:This will be nice by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      Fixed wing - solar powered/augmented - that's my guess. I don't know what it will look like in the end but people who are a lot smarter than I am have been working hard on this for a while. The military applications are too obvious for it to be otherwise.

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    13. Re:This will be nice by sdpuppy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but I doubt if they use a significant amount of helium.
      How much do those ballons use?
      Compare to cooling down a NMR magnet, which consumes more than 1000 liters liquid ( > 700,000 liters gas).
      Sadly there is a helium shortage, not so much that we are hitting the point of end of resources (which will eventually come), but because not all the natural gas fields that could capture - are capturing helium.
      http://www.purchasing.com/article/CA6518723.html
      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6444180

    14. Re:This will be nice by Carnildo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm waiting for someone to build a solar-powered, unmanned zeppelin. If you inflate it with hydrogen, you can maintain altitude by electrolyzing ballast water or by venting off excess hydrogen. A weather balloon might stay up for days; this could stay up for years.

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    15. Re:This will be nice by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 2, Funny

      people who are a lot smarter than I am have been working hard on this for a while.

      6.7 billion people are working on it?

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    16. Re:This will be nice by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      I'd say that's a low estimate - if you consider family pets to be 'people' it would be much higher. :)

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    17. Re:This will be nice by y_axis · · Score: 1

      A weather balloon IS an Unmanned Ariel Vehicle.

      Just Ariel, or can Sebastian use it too? Also, will it work above the sea?

    18. Re:This will be nice by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Uuum... whey don't they put some of those new light printed solar cells on top of it. Should give them all the power they need. (Assuming they float way above the clouds and have a night battery buffer.)

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    19. Re:This will be nice by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't see why they would have to cost much at all. We are not talking about combat drones here, we are talking about something that will basically go in a little circle-that's it. A big fat wing, covered with solar cells that run little electric motors and the broadband transceiver.

      With a predator you are talking about something that needs to be controlled half a world away, and can pick off targets from high altitude, those kinds of electronics ain't cheap. With this you probably would even need ANY remote piloting at all-just a simple program to go to x feet and go in a circle. So while the balloon would be cheaper at first, which even then may be debatable(what if somebody gets to the balloon before you? I bet the electronics package will sell for a nice price) but in the long run a "solar sailplane" would probably be more cost effective.

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    20. Re:This will be nice by synaptic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is it feasible/practical to create a vacuum for lift yet? Instead of inflating a balloon with helium, do the materials exist to evacuate the air in a "balloon-like structure" (any structure with a large volume) to displace the air in the atmosphere and float the device through natural buoyancy? It seems this could use ballasts to adjust the elevation and whatnot. Could solar cells power it?

    21. Re:This will be nice by jekewa · · Score: 1

      I'm more interested in the wireless modem dealing with the 18 miles (or more) from the users' computer to the balloon. Surely it'd be easy enough, at least in more populated areas, to put a long-distance WiMAX-like solution in place.

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    22. Re:This will be nice by rcw-home · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think anyone's done it yet, which of course isn't to say it can't be done. I think such a structure, if buildable, would be very costly and fragile (more so than any balloon).

      It would be easier if you were able to deploy it from its target altitude. Otherwise you have three conflicting requirements:

      1. That the entire thing (payload and all) be lighter than ~175 grams per cubic meter displacement (air density at 15000 meters)
      2. That it withstand pressures of 10000 kilograms force per square meter (sea level air pressure), or that the air can be pumped out slowly as the structure rises (but 175 grams/cubic meter density difference is still 1240 kg/m^2 of pressure difference)
      3. That it withstand wind deformation pressures (enough to handle ascent and gusts)

      Good luck!

    23. Re:This will be nice by rcw-home · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but I doubt if they use a significant amount of helium.

      You're right, it isn't very significant. I just hope the world starts treating it as if it were precious before it becomes very expensive. We've only been using helium for a century, but it would be quite a shame for all of its uses to be lost to future generations forever.

    24. Re:This will be nice by Jeffrey_Walsh+VA · · Score: 1

      I don't think it will be costly to reproduce a vacuum balloon, once materials and a method are devised.

    25. Re:This will be nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, put some solar cells on it to fuel the batteries, and some sort of windmill device to convert the air that's causing drifting into energy to counteract it (supplement the energy difference needed with the solar cells).

    26. Re:This will be nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember chemistry class and hydrogen balloons? Those were fun times.

      Honestly, I hope they use hydrogen for this. Helium is uniquely non-replaceable. It's the product of very slow alpha particle decay, trapped in natural gas fields and such. We'll eventually empty those natural gas fields. There are lots of other ways to make energy, and we can make natural gas if we need methane, specifically, for whatever reason. But we can't make helium except through nuclear fusion. Even then, if fusion delivered 100% of earth's electricity needs, it'd only create a small fraction of what we currently use per year.

      We'll always have plenty of hydrogen because it bonds to everything. Helium doesn't, so once you crack open that helium tank, it's just a matter of time until it floats off into space, where it's as good as gone.

      We use hydrogen

  2. They'll have these in England soon by ickleberry · · Score: 5, Funny

    but with CCTV cameras rather than broadband

    1. Re:They'll have these in England soon by batquux · · Score: 1

      Oh, the humanity!

    2. Re:They'll have these in England soon by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's the US company that getting exclusive rights to spy on broadband in Africa. At least your CCTV cameras are domestic...

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    3. Re:They'll have these in England soon by M8e · · Score: 1

      Oh, the humility!

    4. Re:They'll have these in England soon by sdpuppy · · Score: 3, Funny
      Oh the humidity!

      Or maybe you're right - perhaps English gents use umbrellas all the time because of the floating cameras...

    5. Re:They'll have these in England soon by sdpuppy · · Score: 1

      It's the US company that getting exclusive rights to spy on broadband in Africa. At least your CCTV cameras are domestic...

      More than likely they'll just make it into yet another cable channel so the cable companies can proclaim "more value for your money!"

      click!

      Guy with beard yelling at you to sell some ineffectual product ("and if you order now, you'll get two...")

      click!

      CSPAN

      click!

      Court's Lobby

      click!

      Reality TV - What's doing in Africa - View from above

      click!

      Dishwashing Network

    6. Re:They'll have these in England soon by afidel · · Score: 1

      Ha, like the NSA isn't being fed a direct link from the CCTV cameras....

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    7. Re:They'll have these in England soon by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      If they did that, and didn't censor the feeds, there wouldn't be a problem.

      Developing the capacity to watch the watchers is a good thing.

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    8. Re:They'll have these in England soon by sdpuppy · · Score: 1
      Okay, but who will watch the watchers of the watchers?

      ...and it'll be turtles all the way down..

  3. really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that sounds much better than eating.

    1. Re:really? by TorKlingberg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This may be news to you, but not everyone in Africa is starving.

    2. Re:really? by stoolpigeon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not only that but communication tools are vital to improving the livelihood of Africans. I've been working with an open source tool, Frontline SMS - it's already being used to do some amazing things.
       
      Rather than continuing to send cash and some food, which has thus far not really been much help - we can help build infrastructure that will give people more control over their own lives and the ability to improve their circumstances on their own.
       
      I saw a demo a couple weeks ago by some guys from a communications lab from a local university. They are building a system to provide educational materials via mobile phones - iphone and android right now. They've got grants to get androids on the ground in developing nations. The system can work completely via sms if necessary but an internet connection is better.
       
      There are some exciting things going on in tech in Africa and this is cool to see.

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    3. Re:really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yes, we need to improve the infrastructure in Africa, in fact, I was just contacted by someone the other day who says he maintains a controlling interest in the African Balloon Internet business, but needs to flee the country due to unrest.

      He said from my posts that I seemed trustworthy and he wanted to offer his shares to me first, and at a reduced rate!

      I figure with the money I make on this venture I'll be able to retire early, all I had to do was wire him some money from my bank account to get the ball rolling, and he should be sending me the stock transfer agreement later this week.

    4. Re:really? by afidel · · Score: 1

      Actually internet access can be used to *shock* improve peoples standard of living. By allowing access to weather, news, and market information rural farmers can better prepare their crops and time the sale of their goods.

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    5. Re:really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you've never seen what African people do when they get their hands on "infrastructure". Copper cables are stolen, same goes for power lines, it's like a booming business here. Not only that, but infrastructure in Africa is hardly maintained and even worse; never upgraded. If you think the west has the whole "profit now, forget about long term" thing down perfect, then you obviously haven't seen what African's do. This is precisely why their entire continent never amounted to anything, and probably never will. Unless they change their culture and attitude quickly.

  4. Untethered by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

    Interesting approach to keeping them in the right spot. I was curious if they used a line or some sort of stabilization system.

    Nope. They just let them float away. But they come down after 24 hours and are just tracked down with GPS and replaced.

    The balloons come down every 24 hours due to the limitations of battery life -- and to keep them from floating into territories that don't subscribe to the service. "You're looking at a wide geographic area -- there's a wide jet stream at near space -- and that allows balloons to keep on floating without stop," Anyasi explains. "It's cheap to bring them down, as balloons cost only about $50, and since they are equipped with a GPS, it is easy to locate them and reuse them."

    1. Re:Untethered by CubicleView · · Score: 1

      hmmmm, easy to locate, only cost 50 euro... I just have this image of a guy getting paid to drive around all day retrieving balloons from trees roofs lakes etc to save presumably less than 50 quids worth of material per balloon. Might be easier to just offer a 10 quid finders fee per balloon.

    2. Re:Untethered by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is quite possible that the balloon(i.e. the actual gas-filled bit) only costs $50; but I'd suspect that the equipment package hanging underneath it costs a good bit more, at least one factor of ten, quite possibly more. I say this because you can, just about, if your time is free, get an ordinary wifi router and a battery to suit rigged up for $50. I'd be absolutely shocked if you could get a proper, tested, setup for a reasonable number of users, with battery and GPS and radio(s) for $50.

    3. Re:Untethered by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      in rural Africa.... I'm sure its not going to be the equivalent of a short drive to the shops!

      I recall something about this in south africa for mobiles. Te problem with fixed base stations was that they were raided for copper and orther materials, so they thought about putting the station on a tethered balloon. Why wouldn't that be a better solution that 'disposable' weather balloons (unless the coverage was so good for a near-orbit balloon).

    4. Re:Untethered by CookieOfFortune · · Score: 1

      It's ok, you can turn it into a video game and people will do it for free!

    5. Re:Untethered by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      It's not really clear what is meant by that, but I'm guessing it's like this:

      – weather balloon, $50
      – electronics payload, $unspecified_large_amount
      – launching the balloon (i.e. the cost of the helium), $unspecified_small_amount

      That would explain why re-using the balloons is feasible: If you were just saving $50, it probably wouldn't be worth it, like you said. You want the electronics back, though, because they're probably expensive, and since you're going to retrieve those you might as well re-use the balloon too and save the $50.

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    6. Re:Untethered by vlm · · Score: 1

      They probably open a valve to let the helium out and try to reuse both the balloon and the electronics pack.

      From http://www.chem.hawaii.edu/uham/lift.html

      A 7 foot dia balloon lifts about a dozen pounds and takes about two hundred cu feet to fill. At about a quarter a cubic foot, it's going to cost about fifty bucks for the helium.

      Helium is NOT cheap... Looking at more than $2 per hour per balloon just for the helium. And helium is not a renewable resource.

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    7. Re:Untethered by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, yeah, you're probably right. It wasn't really clear whether $50 was the cost per launch or the cost of the balloon, but your explanation sounds likely.

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    8. Re:Untethered by amnezick · · Score: 0

      GPS Mission New Mission: "Retrieve balloon located at the marked position on the map and take it to the closest 'IAWB(Internet in Africa using Weather Balloons) Refurbish Center' near you."

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    9. Re:Untethered by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      helium is not a renewable resource.

      Well, not until we get a fusion reactor going.

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    10. Re:Untethered by Ohio+Calvinist · · Score: 1

      Maybe $50 US given the exchange rate since it is a US company. On the other hand, if a weather ballon with valuable/interesting gear landed in my yard, it would be mine, and I imagine that would be the case there too. The guy in the polo shirt saying "can I plz have my ballon back" isn't going to go over too well.

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    11. Re:Untethered by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I suspect that, short term, they'd rely on the various informal mechanisms of dealing with the problem: getting there first, offering the confused occupant a shiny nickel, making up quasilegal justifications, simple bullying, etc.

      Longer term, property rights have a way of being modified to fit technological and social convention. Look at the entire concept of "airspace", the contemporary application of utility easements, and various flavors of salvage rights/restrictions, among other examples. If services of this type gain any traction, I strongly suspect that they won't have too hard a time buying the necessary laws to make sure that their gear remains theirs, even if it lands in your yard and crushes your cat.

    12. Re:Untethered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The balloon cost us $50 per flight, but the cost of the payload varies according to purpose. Average cost of our payload is about $1500 per unit. Btw we can attach more than one payload to a balloon if necessar

  5. Only one accessible site though by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 4, Funny

    weather.com

    1. Re:Only one accessible site though by vidaddy · · Score: 1

      Weather balloons are a great idea. Just check out this USAF ID chart at http://videographyblog.com/USAF_ID_chart.jpg

  6. Disaster? by arizwebfoot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So what happens then when these untethered balloons are floating up into the jet stream and a Airbus or 747 doesn't pick it up on radar and the damn thing floats right into the jet intake, causing an explosion and bringing down 400 souls to their death?

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    1. Re:Disaster? by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      So what happens then when these untethered balloons are floating up into the jet stream and a Airbus or 747 doesn't pick it up on radar and the damn thing floats right into the jet intake, causing an explosion and bringing down 400 souls to their death?

      They are tracked by GPS. It would be fairly trivial to keep the appropriate air traffic control authorities apprised of their location, and, given the kind of concern you point to, I would assume that this is mandatory.

    2. Re:Disaster? by jo42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When was the last time a passenger airplane flew at 80,000 to 100,000 feet?

    3. Re:Disaster? by charlesnw · · Score: 1

      Um..... last I checked, planes don't fly at 80,000 feet. They fly between 25 and 35 thousand feet.

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    4. Re:Disaster? by 0x000000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      As I am not familiar with African law, just with FAA flight regulations here in the United States.

      Having been on a near space team (http://nearspace.0x58.com), and having launched two near space balloons, 92,999 ft, and 83,000 ft I can tell you that they pose no problems for jet liners. The balloons are big enough to be spotted by any pilot worth his salt, and they only stick around the altitude where jets fly in the first place for just a minute or so because they ascend so fast.

      Also, depending on the weight in the United States you have to file a NOTAM (Notice to Airmen) which gets distributed to all of the flight control towers, air traffic controllers and will also be distributed to pilots flying in the area you are planning on launching. Anything under 6 pounds you don't have to notify, but it is generally nice to do so as a courtesy. 12 pounds is the limit for amateur near space balloon launches. I have no experience with bigger near space payloads.

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    5. Re:Disaster? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      The balloons will/should carry a transponder that identifies them on all radars pinging them.

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    6. Re:Disaster? by TinFoilMan · · Score: 4, Informative

      When was the last time a passenger airplane flew at 80,000 to 100,000 feet?

      Yeah, but the balloons have to travel upwards through the same airspace that airlines and other aircraft travel through.

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    7. Re:Disaster? by SCPaPaJoe · · Score: 1

      I have a friend in Colorado who wrote software to track his balloons. I remember him telling me that he forwards the info to the FAA so ATC can route air traffic around them. http://eoss.org/

    8. Re:Disaster? by yourassOA · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It would be fairly trivial to keep the appropriate air traffic control authorities apprised of their location, and, given the kind of concern you point to, I would assume that this is mandatory.
      They couldn't track planes on 9/11 how do you expect them to be competent enough to track weather balloons. Also would the gps track the balloon 3 dimensionally. (While it going up and down?)

    9. Re:Disaster? by T+Murphy · · Score: 4, Funny

      So what happens then when these untethered balloons are floating up into the jet stream and a Airbus or 747 doesn't pick it up on radar

      causing an explosion and bringing down 400 souls to their death

      Looks like you've answered your own question there. I just hope I'm not on that plane.

    10. Re:Disaster? by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      I guess if you're unlucky enough to have four African Broadband Balloons take out all four of your engines on a passenger airliner, and you don't have enough height to coast to a runway, you're probably doomed anyway.

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    11. Re:Disaster? by stevied · · Score: 1

      No, but AFAICT they haven't discovered a way of teleporting the balloons from the ground straight up into the stratosphere. Especially given that the lifecycle is only 24 hours, they're going to spend quite a lot of time ascending and descending.

    12. Re:Disaster? by rijrunner · · Score: 1

          Well, to start with, the jets you refer to fly at about 35,000 feet. That's 50,000-70,000 feet lower than the balloon.

          Even on launch, it would not be much of an issue. The launch team notifies air traffic control of this and they issue a NOTAM. That is a notice that such-and-such area will be launching something during a certain timeframe and should be avoided.

          Also, balloons ascend at about given known rate. Let's say the balloon is 100 feet long and ascends as 200 feet/minute (a low rate), that means there is about a 30 second window for it to be at the same elevation as the jet in question. Then, it would have to be in exactly the right place and time to be hit.

          This isn't something that even barely touches on a safety concern. High traffic aviation routes have far larger encroachments in their space daily.

    13. Re:Disaster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... The balloons are big enough to be spotted by any pilot worth his salt...

      At night, too?

      Wow.

    14. Re:Disaster? by 0x000000 · · Score: 4, Informative

      At night all balloons are required to have a flashing light that is visible for up to 2 or 5 miles.

      So yes, at night as well.

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    15. Re:Disaster? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Also would the gps track the balloon 3 dimensionally. (While it going up and down?)

      Since your post reeks of flamebait, I'm going to intentionally answer you in a round-about way. Hopefully, you'll be too obtuse to figure out what the answer is, but I'm sure plenty of Slashdotters will think it's far more interesting than a simple yes or no answer would have been.

      The GPS system consists of a set of satellites with precisely known locations transmitting the exact time on a regular basis.

      Radio signals propagate at the speed of light; by computing the delay between actual time and received time, you can tell how far away you are from each satellite you're picking up. (Fun fact... if you want a really precise measurement you actually have to apply the theory of relativity here.)

      Once you know your precise distance from at least 3 satellites, and the locations of the satellites is known, it's a simple matter of triangulation to calculate your position.

      I've now given you more than enough information to answer your question.

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    16. Re:Disaster? by NiteMair · · Score: 1

      they're going to spend quite a lot of time ascending and descending.

      Well, ascending perhaps... descending? not so much.

    17. Re:Disaster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At night all balloons are required to have a flashing light that is visible for up to 2 or 5 miles.

      So yes, at night as well.

      Through clouds, too?

      Wow.

      Haven't figured out why you had to post those NOTAMs yet, have you?

    18. Re:Disaster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what goes up must come down.

    19. Re:Disaster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GP was actually involved in the launching of a few weather balloons. Until you actually have some experience, I suggest you STFU.

    20. Re:Disaster? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but airspace is big. Maybe not really big, not hugely, vastly, mindbogglingly big, but still big.

      And the commuter corridors are not that wide and are generally horizontal while these balloons travel more or less vertically at that altitude, so when they do intersect, they do so rather briefly, and show up on radar.

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    21. Re:Disaster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um..... last I checked, planes don't fly at 80,000 feet. They fly between 25 and 35 thousand feet.

      Not exactly true. Most unmanned test planes and next-generation vehicles (incl. TSTO vehicles) fly at those altitudes. They are a rarity right now (only test aircrafts so far), so your point is effectively still valid.

    22. Re:Disaster? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      I just hope I'm not on that plane.

      As long as Patrick McGoohan (RIP) and James Caviezel aren't on the plane with you, you're fine.

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    23. Re:Disaster? by oatworm · · Score: 1

      Fox releases the video as part of their new "When Balloons Attack" series?

    24. Re:Disaster? by Spaceloon · · Score: 1

      To begin with there are not so many planes in Africa and they have fixed flights paths. Also the engines of 747 has been design to handle objects bigger than our payloads. Besides, weather balloons are launched every day around the world. there has not been a single crash incident . If it helps you sleep better, we can easily get the status of airborne planes in Africa before each launch.

    25. Re:Disaster? by Spaceloon · · Score: 1

      The facts point to the opposite direction. There has not been a single crash incident due to a weather balloon

    26. Re:Disaster? by stevied · · Score: 1

      Depends how they do it I guess (it sounds like it's a controlled descent, not just whenever the gas escapes the balloon.) I presume you'd want to do it reasonably slowly so the electronics package has a good chance of surviving landing.

      According to another commentor ascent, OTOH, might actually be pretty rapid - inflate the balloon with a low density guess and watch the sucker go.

    27. Re:Disaster? by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Fun fact... if you want a really precise measurement you actually have to apply the theory of relativity here.)

      Once you know your precise distance from at least 3 satellites, and the locations of the satellites is known, it's a simple matter of triangulation to calculate your position.

      Technically, (and I'm going to ignore relativity here) if you precisely know the distance to 3 satellites, there are two possible positions to choose from. You need 4 satellites, or other limitations to your position, to decide for sure. In addition, 4 satellites gives you a little redundancy in information which can help you refine the estimates of your location and probable range of error.

    28. Re:Disaster? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Technically, (and I'm going to ignore relativity here) if you precisely know the distance to 3 satellites, there are two possible positions to choose from.

      True enough, but only one of them is going to put you anywhere near earth's surface...

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  7. The origin of the internet by ls671 · · Score: 1

    It is funny if we remember that the internet first goal was to be used by the military as a highly redundant/reliable network.

    Cmdr Taco: General McNeil, it seems that we lost the Abidjan balloon.

    General McNeil: I know, it must be the hurricane or maybe the North-Koreans shot it down, well TCP-IP should take care of re-routing traffic to the Brazaville balloon anyway...

    Good idea although, best bang for the buck to make internet available I would assume...

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    1. Re:The origin of the internet by sexconker · · Score: 1, Funny

      No, the internet was invented by Al Gore for research Universities to share data and information and all information on the internet wants to be free and the fact that for-profit business are on the internet (instead of our beloved for-profit universities) is a shame, they're not even legally supposed to be here because the internet is not for corporations but for the free and uninhibited spread of information among users (as long as they're not idiots, wake me up when september ends and the freshman get a grip on netiquette) also does anyone have a spare zip drive I could borrow?

    2. Re:The origin of the internet by powerlord · · Score: 1

      Its a sad sad day when an reference to the "Endless September" is marked down as Offtopic.

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    3. Re:The origin of the internet by sexconker · · Score: 1

      What do you expect? It's still Septemeber. They'll learn eventually though.

  8. first thought -- gonna need a really long tether! by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Funny

    Second thought -- Palm doesn't want anyone talking about tethers.

    Third thought after reading the article -- they're just releasing these balloons and letting them come down after a day in the air? Just hunting the damn things down will be a chore and a half. But this is precisely the market segment the UAV people were talking about. I think the name they were using was aerostat. Idea 1 is using a solar-powered aircraft to fly in U2 territory relaying data. Missions would last three or four months and then the plane is brought back down for maintenance. The idea is that the solar cells would charge during the day and the engines would operate off of batteries at night. The second idea is using some manner of unmanned dirigible where buoyancy is provided by hydrogen and the solar-powered engines are meant for station-keeping.

    I guess this is really a matter of economics -- I guess it's cheaper to hire a guy and a jeep and hand him a map versus paying millions for air vehicles that aren't in production yet?

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  9. Seriously? by hbean · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Yah, its pretty important to make sure they all have internet access so they can hit up youtube while they starve to death.

    How about we spend the cash on some food, or clean drinking water...or something equally less a luxury.

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    1. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We spend? This is intended as a commercial venture. Anyway, without communications how do we know who to send food and water too?

    2. Re:Seriously? by yourassOA · · Score: 1

      Because the people starving won't be able to afford the internet never mind a computer. Only the rich will be able to use it and the poor will somehow end up paying for it anyway.

    3. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Seriously.

      Unlike people like you, who have plenty of free time to spend 'luxuriously' coasting the intertubes, internet access can provide plenty to an impoverished community.

      What are the keys to a self sustaining community? Education and Commerce are right up there and in this day and age, internet access is a powerful tool to meet those needs.

    4. Re:Seriously? by T+Murphy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First of all, if they are seriously considering a commercial venture here, it implies there are enough well-off people to be served that it could be a viable business. Second, this will simply generate business, which means more cashflow, leading to more economic growth witin these countries. Not to mention poverty is commonly tied to low education and the internet is a powerful educational tool when used properly.

    5. Re:Seriously? by SirGarlon · · Score: 1

      How about we spend the cash on some food, or clean drinking water...or something equally less a luxury.

      That's just trolling. I almost fell for it, but decided not to feed the troll.

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    6. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Not to mention poverty is commonly tied to low education and the internet is a powerful educational tool when used properly.

      I'm guessing you've never read Youtube comments

    7. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are the keys to a self sustaining community?

      No offense, but you sounded like a faggot when you said this.

  10. Re:first thought -- gonna need a really long tethe by peragrin · · Score: 1

    Solar cells,two or thee small electric motors and the ballon becomes a blimp. Far easir to track if you can remote pilot it to known locations

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  11. Modems by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The technology raises hydrogen-filled weather balloons to 80,000 -- 100,000 feet, which individuals contact via modems.

    I would have thought that multiple 100,000 ft lengths of telephone wire would make the balloons too heavy.

    1. Re:Modems by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      I hope you're making a joke, because "modem" stands for MOdulator/DEModulator and correctly describes any device that converts outgoing signals from digital to analog and incoming ones from analog back to digital.

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    2. Re:Modems by PJ+The+Womble · · Score: 1

      Modulation and demodulation processes don't necessarily involve conversion to/from analogue or digital. They simply involve placing one signal over the top of another before transmission of the combined signal (as in radio transmissions) and removing the original signal upon reception, in order to retrieve information included in that signal. The modulation method is at the user's prerogative, and will involve considerations such as the required propagation distance and acceptable losses of data. DAC or ADC are optional.

    3. Re:Modems by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      ...so it correctly describes a few devices that don't convert ATD/DTA. My statement was still correct... ;p

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  12. IRC by linuxg0d · · Score: 4, Funny

    [1131] Disconnected: Balloon Service Interrupted. Try again later.

    1. Re:IRC by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Not to burst your bubble, but &*#L: 34:LH kjk'3l

      NO CARRIER

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    2. Re:IRC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Error 100231: Waaaah, get me a another one.

  13. Near Space Balloon Launches by 0x000000 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Speaking from personal experience with the near space launches I have completed with a team (http://nearspace.0x58.com) located in Arizona, I hope they don't make the mistake of putting the GPS on the outside of the box. During our second balloon launch we launched closer to night so that we could attempt to get photo's of the sun setting (and boy did we succeed: http://nearspace.0x58.com/launches/CONNERY-2/pictures/Payload_Camera/).

    However what we had not counted on was the fact that the temperature would drop so low that the GPS would literally freeze and stop responding and completely shut off, until it got low enough, and warm enough again to turn on. We thought we had lost our package payload.

    Other than that, since the balloons are going to follow whatever winds they can find, how are they going to make sure that the area they want to service has a balloon above it at all times? What if the wind is going in the wrong direction? As for recovering the devices, will they be water proof? What if it lands in a lake, or body of water? What about high up on the mountain side somewhere?

    Definitely interesting and something to watch in the near future, if this is cheaper than launching a satellite and can be done in a sustainable method and still provide adequate phone service or other services using near space technology!

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    1. Re:Near Space Balloon Launches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give us a clue. At about 1 minute per photo I'm not going to download them all looking for a sunset. All I've found so far is sky and gutlords.

    2. Re:Near Space Balloon Launches by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      I hope they don't make the mistake of putting the GPS on the outside of the box. ... the temperature would drop so low that the GPS would literally freeze and stop responding and completely shut off, until it got low enough, and warm enough again to turn on.

      As long as the GPS works after the balloon comes back to earth, it should be fine... they're only using it to retrieve the balloons, from what I read.

      Other than that, since the balloons are going to follow whatever winds they can find, how are they going to make sure that the area they want to service has a balloon above it at all times? What if the wind is going in the wrong direction?

      You probably know better than I do, since you actually launched a balloon, but aren't winds at such extremely high altitudes generally pretty stable?

      As for recovering the devices, will they be water proof? What if it lands in a lake, or body of water?

      Well, one would certainly hope so. And that they float, too.

      What about high up on the mountain side somewhere?

      Africa's pretty flat... although that might be a point to consider if you're thinking of implementing this idea somewhere that isn't flat.

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    3. Re:Near Space Balloon Launches by 0x000000 · · Score: 1

      The winds even at really high altitudes can be very unstable. The flight path for our first balloon was absolutely amazing, the second balloon was launched from the same location and ended up on the other side of Phoenix.

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    4. Re:Near Space Balloon Launches by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      However what we had not counted on was the fact that the temperature would drop so low that the GPS would literally freeze and stop responding and completely shut off, until it got low enough, and warm enough again to turn on. We thought we had lost our package payload.

      You didn't anticipate that equipment attached to a balloon flying at high altitude, where it's cold, would get cold?

    5. Re:Near Space Balloon Launches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheers, they are very cool.

    6. Re:Near Space Balloon Launches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've looked at the pics and all I can see is the cute chick in pink shirt obviously not wearing any bra. Sorry I'm still a guy :(.

    7. Re:Near Space Balloon Launches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should know its not going to drift around that much once it gets to those altitudes then... not much wind action at 100K ft and the service area should be huge being line of sight.
      I thought your feezeup GPS may have been a 60K issue, but checked your site, your using a 18 so it wasn't that. I haven't had one freezeup yet, temperatures inside the box were about the same as outside.

      I'd think they'd be more worried about bursting, at that altitude the UV breaks latex down awful fast, I'd be suprised if they got 24 hours out of one.

      Had some personal experience too ;) 117,500 - 104,000 & 100,000 - The Bear projects...
      73!

  14. Redefining technology by T+Murphy · · Score: 3, Funny

    This could give a whole new meaning to "the internet is down". Of course when signing up you have to be wary when they advertise "high"-speed internet. I guess it should work fine though, given the cheap overhead. I just wish it wasn't only planned for parts of Africa, as it sounds like it will be above and beyond what we've got here in America.

  15. Solar cells by castrox · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apparently the balloons need to be taken down daily to have their batteries recharched. I wonder, wouldn't 80,000-100,000 feet be mostly above cloud level and be an excellent opportunity to use solar cells?

    The balloons come down every 24 hours due to the limitations of battery life -- and to keep them from floating into territories that don't subscribe to the service.

    The drifting might be a tougher nut to crack though. Rather interesting idea for rural areas actually.

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    1. Re:Solar cells by Brett+Buck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you are going to bring them down after 24 hours for drift reasons, there's no reason to use solar cells - batteries are dead-nuts reliable and cheap.

              Brett

    2. Re:Solar cells by Spaceloon · · Score: 1

      Africa is large continent, and once we have enough country signed up, we will integrate with solar panel and let them drift a bit longer

  16. neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neat Idea, they should deploy these in rural america where verizon doesn't go and the comcast/at&t duopoly is fierce..

    1. Re:neat by synaptic · · Score: 2, Informative

      Neat Idea, they should deploy these in rural america where verizon doesn't go and the comcast/at&t duopoly is fierce..

      I wish the only issues were a duopoly. In many areas of the US, high-speed, low-latency Internet access is simply unavailable.

      When it is available, the only current option is to spend $5-30k for telco "special construction charges" and $500+/month for a T1.

      Consumer level satellite options (WildBlue, Hughes) have really tight bandwidth quotas and latency of 1-2seconds. The quota on the $100/month WildBlue "Professional" tier is 17GB down/month (30-day rolling cycle) and 5GB up with a $400 dish/modem purchase. Hughes has several tiers but you're out $700 for the dish/modem and $120-$500/month depending on the speed and bandwidth quotas you need.

      Yet whenever any of these long-haul wireless and uav devices are discussed, the focus is on Africa. Why is that? I'll pay you the same or more than an African for the flexibility of living anywhere in the United States with a high-bandwidth, low-latency connection and I suspect a lot of other people would do so as well.

    2. Re:neat by witherstaff · · Score: 1

      I can only imagine the lobbying going against anything like this in the USA. The baby bells love their monopolies, so do the cable companies. Flying one of these over any major metro area could potentially cost them tens of thousands of customers almost instantly.

      With a few billion set aside in the stimulus package for broadband penetration it would be nice to have someone get some to get the Nasa pathfinder project working for this sort of thing. I haven't heard anything about the skytower concept since the crash in '03 of the prototype. From the wiki article :

      successfully using the aircraft to transmit both an HDTV signal as well as an IMT-2000 wireless communications signal from 65,000 feet (19,812.0 m), giving the aircraft the equivalence of a 12 miles (19.3 km) tall transmitter tower. Because of the aircraft's high lookdown angle, the transmission utilized only one watt of power, or 1/10,000 of the power required by a terrestrial tower to provide the same signal.[6] According to Stuart Hindle, Vice President of Strategy & Business Development for SkyTower, "SkyTower platforms are basically geostationary satellites without the time delay." Further, Hindle said that such platforms flying in the stratosphere, as opposed to actual satellites, can achieve much higher levels of frequency use. "A single SkyTower platform can provide over 1,000 times the fixed broadband local access capacity of a geostationary satellite using the same frequency band, on a bytes per second per square mile basis."

  17. It's going to end in tears. by nroets · · Score: 1

    It's going to end in tears. I can already see a movie being made. Black Hotspot Down.

  18. Obligatory F-Troop by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    IT is ballooooon!

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  19. good idea by GregNorc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When you take into a ccount that any time they try and lay fiber it gets stolen and sold for it's scrap value, this is a great idea. Less chance of the infrastructure being stolen/damaged.

    1. Re:good idea by jheiss · · Score: 1

      What exactly is the scrap value of fiber?

    2. Re:good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever it is, it's more than R x H where R = nigger labor rate and H = nigger hours required to dig it out.

      Otherwise they wouldn't do it, plain and simple, and trust me, they do. Water pipes to hospitals, whatever - they'll thieve it, the monkey brained cunts. Niggers may be dumb, hell there ain't no maybe about it, but they sure as hell know if it's worth dragging their fat black butts out of bed to go robbing or not.

    3. Re:good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow you sir win one internets!

    4. Re:good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > What exactly is the scrap value of fiber?

      true story: we had a 500m reel of fiber stolen. we assume for its (assumed) copper content. annoying to have lost it, but I've always wondered about the conversation between the thief and the scrap metal dealer when he showed up to cash it in.

    5. Re:good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fiber optic cabling has very little scrap value, so it is not likely to be stolen. The problem the balloons seem to solve is connecting the last mile. People who want internet access are able to get it by wireless transmission. Even if fiber was layed down, it is expensive to connect people to the network.

    6. Re:good idea by aqk · · Score: 0

      I can understand copper being stolen for its scrap value (heck, it happens lots here in Canada) but stealing glass fiber?
      They plan to weave a fireproof swimsuit?

  20. Not sure by Stargoat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This seems like an awfully expensive solution. Does anyone remember Stratovision? It was too costly to keep a B-29 in the air 24/7 just to broadcast. Why should it be any different with disposable air balloons carrying easily lost technology?

    If God meant for cell towers to be attached to balloons, he would have, uh, err, done something different!

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    1. Re:Not sure by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      This seems like an awfully expensive solution. Does anyone remember Stratovision? It was too costly to keep a B-29 in the air 24/7 just to broadcast. Why should it be any different with disposable air balloons carrying easily lost technology?

      Because both the disposable ballons and the "technology" they carry are cheap and easily replaced, which is decidedly not the case with a WWII-era heavy bomber equipped with contemporaneous TV broadcasting systems.

    2. Re:Not sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, getting a plane in the sky and keeping it up there does in fact cost quite a bit more than a balloon. Possibly because of the whole weight thing.

      Anyhow this is probably a stopgap measure until they get a more permanent solution in...somehow. Believe you me, if Africa ends up with better broadband than the US, we might see some form of revolt here.

  21. Re:That's freaking awesome. by clone53421 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Offtopic? geez, that's a bit harsh.

    Yeah, I was pretty brief, but I couldn't really think of any way to elaborate on my point that wouldn't have drawn it out unnecessarily. "That's freaking awesome" pretty much said it all.

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  22. What happens? by DesScorp · · Score: 2, Funny

    So what happens then when these untethered balloons are floating up into the jet stream and a Airbus or 747 doesn't pick it up on radar and the damn thing floats right into the jet intake, causing an explosion and bringing down 400 souls to their death?

    More than likely? Thousands of customers below will go "Hey, who turned off the f*ckin' Internet?"

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    1. Re:What happens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please. This is the Internet in Africa we're talking about.

      You mean, thousands of customers below will go "What the Click-Click-Whistle-Gh happened to my Porn?!"

  23. Beats the Hell Out of Bushmail by good+soldier+svejk · · Score: 1

    Or at least it has the potential to, if they make a rural RF sharing option available.

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  24. Sounds like Spin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Life imitates art on this one. One of the characters in the novel Spin founded a company with simular technology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_(novel)

  25. Previous Use of Radar Aerostats by tresho · · Score: 5, Informative

    The US has been using these along the southern border for years. They are tethered & fly at 15,000 feet and provide radar coverage along the border to interdict drug smuggling by air. They had problems with leaky balloons, and the need to ground them for maintenance, at which time they were vulnerable to bad weather on the surface. There were formal no-fly zones posted in their vicinity. Apparently there was no problem with aircraft running into them. I've driven along I-10 and occasionally have been able to see them in the air, they definitely look like hovering flying saucers.

    1. Re:Previous Use of Radar Aerostats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conspiracy! Conspiracy!

  26. Yay! Nigeria will be covered. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have an important transaction in progress with someone in the ministry of finance. This will maybe help the transaction go smoother!

  27. The Golden Age Of Ballooning by BigBlueOx · · Score: 1

    There is also a book called 'The Golden Age of Ballooning' published by the BBC. It's in an attractive hand-tooled binding, is priced £5 and failure to buy it will make you liable to a £50 fine or three months' imprisonment.

    And now ...

  28. what is it? by binaryseraph · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Look its a bird!"

    "Its a plane!"

    "Uh its my ISP bro..."

    1. Re:what is it? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      *BANG*

      I wonder if you can shoot them...

      I guess not, except if your bullets reach low earth orbit. ;)

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  29. SpaceData by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The company that actually produces and operates these balloons is SpaceData corp. http://spacedata.net/

    They currently offer low bandwidth coverage across Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. This is used, for example, to monitor oil wells in the middle of nowhere which are otherwise left untended allowing them to take readings without having to make a costly trip to the well.

  30. Re:iPhone 3.0 release is here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The iPhone "Ed's iPhone" cannot be updated at this time because the activation server is temporarily unavailable. Please try again later.

  31. Repeat from 1937? by Lost+Penguin · · Score: 1

    Oh, the humanity....

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  32. Cell towers already there.. by lazn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My parents live in Africa and get better cell coverage than I do here in the USA. They can drive from northern Zambia to the tip of South Africa and never lose signal.

    So Why not just use the existing Cell Towers to provide broadband?

    1. Re:Cell towers already there.. by ls671 · · Score: 1

      Are you sure their system is using cell-towers and not satellites ?

      My understanding is that satellite phone are used a lot in Africa, it costs a bundle too. Weather balloons would be cheaper than satellites, which is the point TFA makes.

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    2. Re:Cell towers already there.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My parents live in Africa and get better cell coverage than I do here in the USA. They can drive from northern Zambia to the tip of South Africa and never lose signal.

      So Why not just use the existing Cell Towers to provide broadband?

      Can your parents drive from Northern Zambia to the Southern tip of Africa staying off the main highway and keep their cell signal? Where do you think these balloons are going to be placed in Africa? the major cities?!?!? DURRRRRRR

    3. Re:Cell towers already there.. by synaptic · · Score: 1

      So Why not just use the existing Cell Towers to provide broadband?

      Because it's very expensive and sometimes impossible to backhaul a connection to very rural cell towers. They are also expensive to construct and maintain and are a visual blight when you dot them all over the landscape.

    4. Re:Cell towers already there.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      South africans mainly use cell phones. Their celluar network is very, very good. Most of the infrasturcture in South africa is pretty good, except they have very little broadband net access and it's expensive. Mostly this is because there is quite low demand, they have large suburbs with no house to house cable, the cost of laying large amounts of undersea cable and the distance from major hubs.

    5. Re:Cell towers already there.. by nroets · · Score: 1

      You're referring to a narrow strip of GSM and GPRS coverage along the highway. It will be expensive to upgrade and maintain.

      Africans needs electricity, clean water, transport, a stable political system and relief from malaria much more than broadband. So it's not surprising that they are migrating to Gauteng, South Africa en masse.

    6. Re:Cell towers already there.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bring one of those balloons here to Kentucky.

      No cell phone service, cable, wireless, or wired access at my home.

      Guess its time for me to pack up and move to Africa.

    7. Re:Cell towers already there.. by phoneonline · · Score: 1

      You can use white pages or anywho. If that doesn't work, it means the number is a listed landline or a cell phone number. I found another site that will help you find info on those numbers. It's a paid site, which is the only one you can use. hope this helps... http://www.reverse-phone-lookup-online.info/ReversePhoneDetective/

    8. Re:Cell towers already there.. by Timothy+Chu · · Score: 1

      Actually, cell coverage is quite ubiquitous in most of Ghana. And the people most likely to afford a computer will be able to afford a cell phone. Can't speak for the other countries. But the problem is that there are multiple providers, and roaming is virtually non-existant. It prides itself on being one of the best connected countries in Africa. However, 3G is not there yet (it's being planned). But I think that would be the best choice for most wanting internet access.

      BTW, the link you referred to is 404'd. But as I understand it, the reason for the migration to South Africa is more to do with business opportunities than health and lifestyle (I know, I talked with quite a few of them when I was in South Africa). The recent (last 5 years) megalomaniac leadership in Zimbabwe caused a 90% unemployment, causing much of the exodus.

  33. Link quality by OutputLogic · · Score: 1

    I'd be interesting to know what's the quality of such a link: latency, throughput, how many retransmissions, etc.

    OutputLogic

  34. I can see where this will lead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sun^H^H^HOracle Microsystems floating giant Blackbox zeppelins over the savannah to provide email/newsfeeds/hosting...

    I for one welcome our new airship based overlords.

  35. The only thing that will suck... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    ...will be the ping/lag. Like trying to play CPMA with someone in UAE.

    Well, better than nothing. :)

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    1. Re:The only thing that will suck... by synaptic · · Score: 2, Informative

      ...will be the ping/lag. Like trying to play CPMA with someone in UAE.

      Well, better than nothing. :)

      The latency should be much, much better than current geosynchronous satellite options. I wouldn't expect balloon-based repeaters to have latency above 100ms. Compare that to WildBlue/Hughes with real-world latency of 1000-2500ms (they claim 500-750ms).

  36. Just one surplus surface to air missile by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    And there goes their infrastructure....

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    1. Re:Just one surplus surface to air missile by ElAurian · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because a shoulder-mounted SAM can hit a balloon without a strong infrared source AT 80,000 FEET...

    2. Re:Just one surplus surface to air missile by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      it was a joke.

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  37. Not aid, nor technology but investment by nroets · · Score: 1

    If they can access the internet they can perhaps improve their agricultural output for a few years, until the demand is satisfied and the surpluses go to waist. Access to the internet certainly will not cause them to reform their governments, construct efficient cement plants, power plants and transport networks or conquor malaria.

    South Africa (in particular Gauteng and the Western Cape) has economies of scale in all these fields and is accepting African migrants en masse. Instead of sending Zimbabweans food aid, it is after all much more productive to employ them in South Africa, by for example building houses. So investing in the South African economy is by far the best way to help the continent's poor (and has been more profitable than investing in America during the last decade).

    1. Re:Not aid, nor technology but investment by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      Africa is a large continent and as well as South Africa is doing, I'm sure that a broad set of solutions are what is required. Internet access itself isn't as important as communication in general - which can take place outside the internet, so I wouldn't focus on that too much.

      The ability to communicate and organize is absolutely essential to everything you list in the first paragraph - and measures like this make that possible on the scale necessary.

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  38. Is that you, James von Brunn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely, I say to you, if Hell has a broadband link directly to Slashdot then please open the earth and help me come on down on the one exception that we aren't limited to HURD and computing signal in Base2.

  39. Africa needs it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Africa really need such cheap solutions in order to reduce poverty. It is a very serious situation

  40. Vidaddy by vidaddy · · Score: 1

    It is a great idea if you review the USAF ID chart at http://videographyblog.com/USAF_ID_chart.jpg

  41. Lead Balloons by CemeteryWall · · Score: 1

    Are they possible? I once bought lead foil advertised at "ten thousanths of an inch thick" thinking it might provide the envelope for a lead balloon. Sadly it was 10/1000 inches thick not 1/10000 inches thick. I think a balloon made from gold foil is possible but getting lead to the same thickness may not be.

  42. Immigration to South Africa is not just from Zim by nroets · · Score: 1
    The article suggest that a large number of the immigrants to South Africa also come from Lesotho and Mozambique. Even South African researchers are finding it difficult to attain the extent of and reasons behind the migration: Many immigrants do not want to admit that they were born outside the country, because of fear of persecution.

    Helping them in South Africa is so much easier than helping them in their country of origin.

    You blame Zimbabwe's leadership. Others blame the voters for not rising up sooner.

    What I'm saying is that a country with a large GDP like South Africa is much less likely to descend into that spiral. The same goes for provinces and municipalities within South Africa: The ones with more money are more accountable and efficient.