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District 9 Rises From the Ashes of Halo

JohnSmedley sent in a story about what might be the last SciFi film worth caring about this summer. He writes "Wired has an interesting piece up on the upcoming District 9 release. District 9 rose from the ashes of a failed Halo movie and expands on 'Alive in Jo'Burg' which is a South African short film by Blomkamp. Both the short and full feature films expand and explore a premise in which aliens in space are treated as badly as illegal immigrants and the underclass. The story begins as a damaged alien craft lands in Africa. The foreign race is quarantined in a remote area called District 9, and from there are subjected to xenophobia, and the desire of a multi-national conglomerate to steal their technology. The film is an exploration of what would happen in terms of segregation between an alien race and humans, subjecting the stranded visitors to the very human condition of greed, fear, and exploitation. District 9 will be in theatres on August 14'th, and you can view the trailers from the viewpoint of Multi-National United."

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  1. Interesting parallels by woutersimons_com · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The referenced site in the article on Wired for the trailer and the D-9 site in the article here do not work for me it seems. I found a good trailer on the site Sony made for it.

    This is sure to be a movie that I am going to watch, very interesting story. It also interests me that the director is from South Africa, the way the aliens are moved to camps does seem to have some parallels with the Apartheid

    1. Re:Interesting parallels by Bakkster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm still hoping that this movie will actually be a good, cerebral Science Fiction story; rather than just another disposable alien-action movie built on what would otherwise be a great plot to explore.

      Still crossing my fingers.

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    2. Re:Interesting parallels by krou · · Score: 3, Informative

      Even though there are obviously parallels with Apartheid, I think there are much closer parallels to the recent and growing xenophobia against immigrants (illegal or not) in South Africa. Incidentally, there's a good interview with Blomkamp here where he notes that both of these played crucial roles in the film. He also mentions that in the first week of filming, the recent xenophobic riots took place where people were murdered and burnt alive etc. Alive in Jo'Burg was also clearly influenced by xenophobia.

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  2. Moon by u38cg · · Score: 3, Informative

    Another fantastic sci-fi piece recently released is Moon, directed by one Duncan Jones. Strongly recommend it, if you can find it - it's been reasonably widely released in Britain, not sure about the US and the rest of the world.

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    1. Re:Moon by Aqualung812 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Same could be said about "V for Vendetta" and "Equilibrium". Bah, just go read or watch "1984".
      However, watching or reading 1984 just flat drains the soul. The other two movies are more entertaining, have a happier ending, yet still deliver the core of the same message as 1984. Does it soften the message? Somewhat. However, they reach far more people, and those that watch it don't usually kill themselves during the closing credits.
      Respect the originals, yet keep refreshing it to new audiences. Often, those that like the new versions end up hungry to read about the original source material.

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    2. Re:Moon by yincrash · · Score: 2, Informative

      In case anyone doesn't know, the one Duncan Jones is the son of the one David Bowie.

      I saw the movie at the Tribeca Film Festival followed by a question and answer with him. It's a fantastic scifi feature for a directorial debut. I hope he continues making more films in the future.

    3. Re:Moon by agrif · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the biggest thing about Moon is that it is the first hard science fiction film in a long time that has gained even the meager attention it has. Hard Sci-Fi is a dying breed, as far as I can tell from the last decade or so.

      Maybe Moon didn't introduce any new ideas. But it did present those ideas in a medium where it is easier to evoke an emotional response, if it's done correctly. Moon did it very well, at least in my opinion, and it reached a wider audience than most sci-fi.

      If Moon is playing near you, I highly recommend you see it.

    4. Re:Moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Besides, how are we all supposed to read 1984 when Amazon.com deleted it from all our Kindles?

    5. Re:Moon by ajs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fantastic? Meh. It was a rehash of a lot of ideas we've seen done in films and books over the past 20-30 years, with nothing particularly new added. Go re-watch 2001, Bladerunner and re-read some early John Varley instead.

      I'm getting so tired of this nonsense. Bladerunner was a film noir set in the future with robots. It wasn't new. Asimov did androids struggling with their (lack of) humanity in the 50s, and all Dick added was his drug addicted sense of a decaying reality to which Scott added a very provincially 1980s aesthetic. Go watch Metropolis and the Maltese Falcon. There, see how easy it is to throw stones at a good and viewing-worthy film?

      Fact of the matter is that premise doesn't matter. Every premise has been done. Every idea has been pushed through the salad-tosser that is the writer's pen. What remains is the actual writing, and in the case of film acting and directing. Moon is, as I've heard (and I really do want to go see it), well written, acted and directed. If the idea is also compelling, that's great, but do we go to see a murder-mystery because we've never seen a detective confront the suspects before? Do we go to see space opera because we've never seen ships shooting at each other before? No, we go because we, as humans, enjoy the act of story-telling. It's an art, and good art is good art, even when the subject has been painted/drawn/written about/sculpted or filmed before.

    6. Re:Moon by Minwee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You could consider investing in more reliable cellulose-based storage media. You'll find that a lot of popular ebooks have been translated into this "paper" format over the last, oh, 500 years and there's a good chance that your city even has one or more brick-and-mortar retailers who specialize in them.

      Get 'em before the fad passes.

    7. Re:Moon by ajs · · Score: 2, Funny

      salad-tosser that is the writer's pen

      Yeah, I think I meant Salad Shooter(tm) there. We'll just ignore what salad-tossing pens might be a metaphor for....

    8. Re:Moon by Bakkster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Does it soften the message? Somewhat. However, they reach far more people, and those that watch it don't usually kill themselves during the closing credits. Respect the originals, yet keep refreshing it to new audiences. Often, those that like the new versions end up hungry to read about the original source material.

      That's, of course, assuming that the first exploration of a theme is the best. I would venture that while 1984, V for Vendetta, and Equilibrium explore the same space, they do it in unique ways. None are, what I would consider, a definitive work; neither are the newer movies a simple rehash of 1984.

      In 1984, the 'resistance' comes from within the government and is a trap, while Equilibrium has the government using its own agent who defects, yet V for Vendetta is a resistance of an outsider. These are unique explorations, and it would be disappointing if anyone thought that any single piece was a sufficient exploration of the theme. Taken as a whole, however, the reader/viewer can make their own, deeper connections.

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    9. Re:Moon by Kurusuki · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know. I tried watching 1984 once, and only made it about 30 minutes in before I had to stop watching. The movie is just so bland. It's a movie about the message, one of those artsy political movies that doesn't need any semblance of flow. The people who watch it will already be well versed in the mantra it preaches. However, V for Vendetta and Equilibrium both set out to entertain with an undertone of the 1984 mantra. This lets people take in the meaning without having to put forth any thought. Watch, enjoy, and receive political propaganda (from the good side of the fence albeit) without even knowing it. It's like separating a movie like An Inconvenient Truth to a movie whose plot revolves around those downtrodden by global change, the animals in the arctic regions for example. Someone seeing An Inconvenient Truth already someone leans in that direction and is already expecting a message, disregarding the fact the movie is a documentary. Someone seeing the later genre of movie will probably be seeing it for entertainment, and take away the important message at a subconscious level. They are more likely to start acting eco-friendly without attributing the shift in habits to the movie or its message.

    10. Re:Moon by Aqualung812 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree, watching 1984 is a painful experience. I think the book is less so, since you're not forced to consume it all at once like a movie.
      And your point about "An Inconvenient Truth" is a good one, "The Day After Tomorrow" is the entertaining version of it. I think there are some people that would have never watched "Truth" without first seeing "Tomorrow" and getting a spark of intrest that allows them to sit through the bland power point.

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    11. Re:Moon by ianare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The whole point of 1984 is to make you feel like shit. If you were uplifted by a hollywood type happy ending, it would lose much of its power. Why is it that many people think a movie that makes you feel bad is a bad movie ?

      The two movies you mentioned are the typical hollywood stuff ... entertainment and almost nothing else. Not bad for blowing a couple hours, but nothing that will change the way you look at the world like 1984 has done for many people.

    12. Re:Moon by Aqualung812 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree with your first paragraph. However, many people, including one of the posters in this thread, have turned off 1984 after a short time because they don't want to feel like shit. I have a feeling that some of them, not all, may go and try 1984 again someday if they watch a "lite" version of it in one of the remakes then hear how the underlying theme is based on 1984.
      You can't change the way someone looks at the world if they won't listen to you. You need to get their attention first.

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    13. Re:Moon by caitsith01 · · Score: 2, Informative

      To me the point is that we need to make sure things never get to that point in the first place. Because once a ruthless and totalitarian system in place, it is impossible to resist from within. See : present North Korea, Nazi occupied France, Saddam's Iraq, etc ...

      Precisely. Orwell is telling us that the time to fight the totalitarian state is before it assumes power, not after, because we are reaching a point technologically where it will no longer be possible to fight it after it takes power. So instead of depressing us, 1984 should galvanize us to stop anything similar from ever arising.

      Meanwhile we happily let our elected 'representatives' permit total surveillance, secret police, torture, free speech zones, unexplained foreign wars, state-sponsored corporations...

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    14. Re:Moon by Minwee · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've seen these celluloid things go into a not-so-mint-anymore condition after mere 10 years on non-optimal attic conditions, while CDs were just fine!

      This book is almost a thousand years old. Where's the thousand year old CD copy? Huh?

      If you look through the world's museums and archives you won't find a single CD produced before 1979. Clearly these things cannot last more than thirty years. If anyone tries to tell you something different, insist that they show you a hundred year old CD. Sure, they'll probably come up with some lame story which explains why they can't produce one, but we all know the real truth.

      That's why I have taken all of my most important data and carved it into the Nazca Plateau. You just can't beat that kind of reliability.

  3. It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At least these aliens are slightly more alien, but they're still bipedal oxygen breathers with bilateral symmetry. I look forward to the District 9 TV series, but not to the romantic relationship between Detective Matt Sikes and (what is now) a giant bug living in the apartment next door.

    1. Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Informative

      At least these aliens are slightly more alien, but they're still bipedal oxygen breathers with bilateral symmetry.

      FWIW, it took evolution billions of years to come up with that this is a very efficient way of moving intelligent beings with use of free appendages (arms + hands) around a solid earth crust with an oxygen atmosphere. I'm not so sure this is a "one in hundreds" of potentially useful evolutionary ideas, but rather one in very few. That it's symmetric comes from cellular division, and there is so far little supporting evidence that alternative mechanisms can support a two meter tall intelligent organism well.

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    2. Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      Um 6 appendages with 4 legs and 2 arms would work just as well if not better.
      Stop giving Evolution so much credit. Evolution is dumb, it does not care what is best, just what causes the longest survival to allow more evolution changes. It will allow stupidity to win if dumb is allowed to breed unchecked.

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    3. Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If they didn't originate from somewhere vaguely earthlike they'd find it difficult to survive here.

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    4. Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um 6 appendages with 4 legs and 2 arms would work just as well if not better.

      Add another pair of legs to a human, and see how well they do climbing trees.

      You know it would work just as well how? Because you created your own virtual earth and ran genetic simulations on it for a million years?

      Evolution is dumb, it does not care what is best, just what causes the longest survival to allow more evolution changes. It will allow stupidity to win if dumb is allowed to breed unchecked.

      Stupidity doesn't win, but you might need a bigger head to hold a bigger, more complicated brain in order to get more intelligent, and that might get you killed. Which is almost the same thing, but no, stupidity doesn't win. Intelligence just doesn't necessarily win either. Our brain's need for high blood flow is a liability...

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    5. Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation by wjousts · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um 6 appendages with 4 legs and 2 arms would work just as well if not better.

      Nonsense, you are looking only at the (presumed) benefits of an extra pair of legs without considering the costs. An extra pair of legs requires more energy, it requires more neurons devoted to controlling the extra legs, etc. The benefits? You're slightly less likely to get knocked over?

    6. Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation by DarthVain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because yes, if you have a choice of crash landing on a planet that is hospitable and contains life like your own, or on the toxic silicoid life sustaining one you should defiantly choose the one most unlike yourself, you know, just for the sheer challenge.

      Of course I don't know how desperate they were to crash, or what the range of the partially disabled craft was, or if they were low on fuel, because I am not an alien... and you know more importantly, I havn't seen the movie... and even more importantly, it is a freaking' movie.... you know, entertainment?

      On a conceptual level I generally feel the same way about most Science Fiction particularly in movies and tv where 99% of all life encountered is pretty much identical to us with the exception of some forehead ridges, colour, or perhaps some weird facial hair or antennae or something. There has been some exceptions like the Lava monster in old star trek, or stuff like crystalline entity or tar monster later on... Bottom line the reason this is likely the case isn't due to lack of imagination, but rather the reason is for entertainment purposes. James T Kirk can't exactly sleep with the lava monster can he? (well he could try anyway). So they make a green woman alien and call it a day. People need to be able to interact in some meaningful way for it to be entertaining. Why do you think everyone can also communicate so easily? Because it would really suck if you had to sit through an hour of confusion. I can barely comprehend the Japanese language, how the fsck can we comprehend a language developed on another world with no context? Magic technology of course... but again... movie magic.

    7. Re:It's just the opening scenes of Alien Nation by ianare · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know it would work just as well how? Because you created your own virtual earth and ran genetic simulations on it for a million years?

      Yes, I played Spore, and came up with a wide variety of different body plans that worked just as well. So there.

  4. Alien Nation by RenHoek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So.. it sounds like the premise of the Sci-Fi series 'Alient Nation'.. which was a very good series.

    1. Re:Alien Nation by Anonymusing · · Score: 2, Informative

      That was my first thought. Actually, I thought of the Alien Nation movie, which I thought was even better than the series. "Your mother mates out of season!"

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  5. Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire by mdda · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a legal immigrant in the States, I can state that (although I'm paying just as much tax as anyone else) : I have no vote, no free healthcare and no constitutional rights (let alone a TV show).

    But then you're obviously a troll, aren't you?

  6. Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire by LordLimecat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're either not a citizen, or a troll, or uninformed. Your taxes do not pay for constitutional rights, either--they pay for the benefits that you DO reap (law enforcement, road upkeep, sewage, fire protection, emergency care even if you cannot pay, etc). Also, I'm a citizen and do not have this free healthcare I keep hearing mentioned-- it is one of my employment benefits. Are you sure that you are referring to the right country?

  7. Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire by OzPeter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Green card holders pay taxes yet can't vote - something that you citizens held a tea party over a few centuries ago.

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  8. Just kind happy that it's not Hollywood SighFi by theolein · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm South African so yay for South Africans of all colours, shapes and broken accents, and yay for an SA director making a really interesting SF movie set in SA. It is really nice to see something that isn't shallow Hollywood crap. It might be shallow South African crap, but at least it's different and interesting shallow South African crap.

    1. Re:Just kind happy that it's not Hollywood SighFi by amilo100 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Switch to Al Jazeera at this moment and you will see a pretty telling picture. Joburg municipal workers are on strike and they really make a mess when they strike (vandalism, etcâ¦). There are also âoeservice deliveryâ strikes (although none in Joburg as far as I know). There is no doubt that the inner cities decayed a lot in the last 5 to 10 years (of both Joburg and Pretoria â" the decay in Pretoria at least bottomed out).

      You can get the statistics for the past few years at the SAPSâ(TM) site: http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/crimestats/2008/crime_stats.htm You should however bear in mind that statistics tampering has become widespread in the past few years.

      This country has a lot of problems â" unfortunately a lot of foreign people are not willing to accept that (and still cling to the âoerainbow nationâ fallacy). Problems locally also do not get handled because any criticism against the government or the ANC is seen as racism. This coupled with a criminal for president really removes the confidence in the future of South Africa from any rational person.

  9. Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can state, but that doesn't make you entirely correct. You do so have constitutional rights. The only constitutional rights you lack are the ones specifically granted citizens such as voting rights, or people born here, such as eligibility to be president, or a few age requirements. Everything else in there which applies to "the people" applies to you. Quoting the ACLU for examples because it's much easier than compiling myself:

    "every person in the United States has the right to due process and equal protection; to criminal proceedings that afford a right to counsel, a jury trial and freedom from double jeopardy; to freedom from cruel and unusual punishment; to freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures; and to freedom of speech, religion and association."

  10. Halo? by mkiefte · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To suggest that District 9 rose from the ashes of a failed attempt at Halo is disingenuous at best. First off, yet another movie based on a video game is a bad idea anyway. District 9 is more directly an expansion of the short film which can be seen on YouTube. However, an attempt to link it to Halo is most likely a cheap advertising gimmick to get fanboys out to the cinema.

  11. Re:That May Work as a South Africa Satire by Tangent128 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The fuss back then was that British citizens were not given representation.

    A Green Card holder is still a citizen of another country, and is thus denied a vote on the basis of national sovereignty.

  12. comment on website on 4th planet of canopus: by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Funny

    FWIW, it took evolution millions of years to come up with a wheel. this is a very efficient way of moving intelligent beings with use of biomagnetics (repulse + attract) around a solid water crust with a nitrogen atmosphere. I'm not so sure this is a "one in hundreds" of potentially useful evolutionary ideas, but rather one in very few. That it's trilaterally symmetric comes from cellular agglomeration, and there is so far little supporting evidence that alternative mechanisms can support a three meter tall intelligent organism well

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  13. "1984" vs "WE" by jbssm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually I'm a big fan of Orwell, but after reading We from Zamiatine. I must say that Orwell, was at least "heavily inspired" (not to say an harsher word), by the much less know work of Zamiatine.

    1. Re:"1984" vs "WE" by caitsith01 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am a big fan of "We" but I must say I find it to be much more in the vein of Brave New World or Brazil than 1984. It presents a society which attempts, perhaps even genuinely attempts, to run itself on principled and idealistic grounds, but which in reality imposes a bureaucratic dystopia on its people because (a) those ideals are fundamentally misplaced and (b) the very notion of forcing people to live according to particular principles is doomed to have that result. But, for example, D's friend R is a government-endorsed poet and a 'true believer' in the state and its principles. The characters are able to engage in discussion and reflection on these issues, even though those who become too prominently troublesome are subject to 'correction'.

      By contrast the core of 1984 in my mind is that there is literally no room for debate or reflection - the state doesn't ask you to accept anything, it demands it with absolutely no tolerance whatsoever for anything other than complete subservience. The state is also more overtly cynical, for instance waging perpetual war as a means of keeping the domestic population under control, and deliberately entrapping its citizens to ensure total compliance. The character of O'Brien in 1984 serves to emphasise that the state is not interested in your consent - he engages Winston Smith in political/philosophical discussion, but this is just a ruse of the state to trap Winston, who still instinctively believes that there must be room for such things. This differs from the government in We which genuinely (in my opinion) believes in its stated principles and indeed wishes to export them to the rest of the universe to 'enlighten' other species.

      Anyway, I suppose I take issue with your implication that Orwell stole his ideas from Zamyatin (as I think his name is spelt in English). Orwell freely acknowledged that We was very influential on him, but I think it is equally clear that 1984 takes certain ideas about the totalitarian state to much more brutal and harsh extremes. Orwell's idea is really that the state can assume total control to a point where the consent of the individual is utterly irrelevant; in We, the consent of the individual is still significant, and it is the belief in the system which allows it to continue.

      Just my two cents, they are both great novels. I hope Zamyatin had a better grasp on humanity than Orwell, but I doubt it.

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  14. Re:As badly as illegal immigrants?!?! by Jonny_eh · · Score: 4, Funny

    And how are space aliens supposed to enter the country legally?

  15. Re:as badly as illegal immigrants and the undercla by cml4524 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This movie is about South Africa. I know it's difficult sometimes, but try to remember that there are countries on this planet other than the United States of America.