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Gamerscore Hacking and Its Underground Economy

An anonymous reader writes "There's a writeup on SpywareGuide that explores the world of Xbox Gamerscore hacking, and how high Gamerscores are proving to be a big target for hackers and phishers. It also talks about how a recent release of a Gamerscore-altering program onto forums for hacking & cheating is proving to be lucrative business for both eBay sellers and those who want to artificially inflate a Gamerscore before selling that account, or trading it for credit card details."

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  1. *Sigh* by thatkid_2002 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yet another reason that I cannot take console gaming community seriously.

    1. Re:*Sigh* by noundi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yet another reason that I cannot take the entertainment industry seriously.

      Fixed it sir.

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    2. Re:*Sigh* by Haeleth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're not supposed to take anything to do with "gaming" seriously. There's kind of a hint in the name.

    3. Re:*Sigh* by Norsefire · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sport is a game. People take sport seriously.

    4. Re:*Sigh* by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What difference does you taking them seriously make? The fact is most console gamers are sensible individuals who like to put a disk in, sit down and play on their big screen TV. No mucking about with drivers, downloading patches etc... Just gaming with ease.

      I have an Xbox 360 myself, and don't understand why people get so hyper about their gamer score. It's basically a number that the higher it is, it says "I have less of a life than you do, and can afford more games than you".

      Didn't even know there was a way you could hack it. I'll get right on that and hack mine (right after I've cured world hunger and ended war.)

    5. Re:*Sigh* by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you take sport seriously, can you still call it a game?

    6. Re:*Sigh* by John+Betonschaar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yet another reason I cannot take people in general seriously

    7. Re:*Sigh* by iainl · · Score: 3, Informative

      The raw achievements number is indeed just a mark of how much time you've spent playing games. What I do look at, however, is the list of individual achievements on a game my friends have in comparison to me - being able to get some difficult achievement is a handy high-score proxy.

      Which is one reason why gamerscore hacking is so utterly pointless - the idiots that do this just grant themselves 100% on the games, so it's pretty obvious what's up.

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    8. Re:*Sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you take sport seriously, can you still call it a game?

      you cant, but you can gladly call yourself a moron.

    9. Re:*Sigh* by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can see someone trying to achive it for himself and finding accomplishment in being able to run faster, jump higher or lift more (read it up, that's what I wrote). I can not see how someone considers it an achivement if "his" team wins. It's not like he contributed anything (besides maybe buying a ticket to a game or buying some merchandize).

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    10. Re:*Sigh* by Greg_D · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Those who can't, watch.

      And without fan support, there IS no game... certainly not one that brings together world class athletes on a weekly or daily basis. Hence, fans feel they are entitled.

  2. The buyers... by nagnamer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...are taking this thing seriously, too. I can't imagine why anyone would steal accounts if people wouldn't buy them. But I still can't imagine why people would buy them either.

    I used to play games to have fun, and achievement was part of the fun. If I just stole other people's achievements, that wouldn't be fun. Or maybe it's all just about the brag factor?

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    1. Re:The buyers... by think_nix · · Score: 2, Funny

      damn where are my mod points....

    2. Re:The buyers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      They were stolen and sold on eBay

    3. Re:The buyers... by Spad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Same reason people buy high-level MMO accounts - so they can skip all that tedious playing and get on with the all-important posturing.

    4. Re:The buyers... by John+Betonschaar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Achievements don't unlock extra content. You unlock extra achievements using extra content. As desirability goes, achievements have no other purpose than to show how good you are at a particular game, how long you've been playing it, and how much effort you've been willing to put in to perform all the crazy acts the developers came up with that have nothing to do with the original goal of the game.

    5. Re:The buyers... by iainl · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are mistaken. The achievements don't unlock anything except a big number beside your gamercard and a list of difficult things you've supposedly managed to do in various games. Unlocked bits of games that you're missing out on are stored in the save files instead.

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    6. Re:The buyers... by Gravedigger3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No this is stupider than buying MMO accounts. That, although also stupid, I can at least understand. Some people (with more money than time) want to jump into an MMO without all the tedious grinding and have a hi-level avatar that can whoop some ass.

      An XboxLive Gamerscore serves no purpose that I am aware of except to quantify all your wasted time into points that you can use to prove yourself "superior" to other gamers.

      I mean if a high gamerscore gave me extra health in Halo 3 or even special items for offline games I could MAYBE understand. But this is just plain retarded.

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    7. Re:The buyers... by jollyreaper · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Same reason people buy high-level MMO accounts - so they can skip all that tedious playing and get on with the all-important posturing.

      But at least in an MMO the higher accounts can do more. As I understand it, the only possible thing you get from a high gamescore is a bigger e-peen. I suppose there might be some marginal value with having all parts of a game unlocked the moment you plug it in but shit, aren't there already cheat codes for that? The day after GTAIV shipped people were already running around every island. Some of the multiplayer stuff requires a higher score for matchmaking I think but if you aren't good enough to be there in the first place, you're just going to get creamed.

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    8. Re:The buyers... by chadplusplus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      FYI, in Halo 3, completing certain achievements unlocks new armor which can be used in multiplayer. While the different armor pieces have no practical effect, some certainly look cooler than the standards.

      Someone below me also said that achievements are a way of adding content without really adding content, or saying it a different way, they add replay value. This is very true, at least for me, but I suspect for many others. Even after I complete the standard storyline of the game, I'll go back through and pick up as many of the achievements as my schedule and spouse reasonably permit me to. Why? I don't know. I guess its just another challenge.

  3. Re:Hard to get upset by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's still cheating though, and the people that hack and sell these online profiles are likely to also attempt to phish account and credit card details at some time. Play any games with hackable accounts that are worth something? Then you may end up being a target for these idiots.

  4. Sadly, that's not true any more by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I used to make the same argument, but it seems to me like that isn't true any more.

    Ever since they got hard drives, console games routinely get installed to hard drive first. I.e., there goes that "just want to put the disk in and play." It's only true in the same way as for a PC game.

    Second, console games routinely get patches too nowadays.

    Third, since a heck of a lot of games are launched for both PC and consoles nowadays... if you think your XBox copy of Fallout 3 is somehow magically better quality than the PC version, no offense, but then I have some logging rights in Sahara to sell. They're the same codebase, with the same bugs, and if you're lucky they'll get the same patches.

    Fourth, you may not have heard about it, but PC drivers have gotten a lot more stable in the meantime. The days when you had to muck with different driver versions for different games are over, and have been over for some years now. E.g., I don't think I actually installed any new drivers on my gaming rig since I put the GTX 290 graphics card in it. (And I'm not saying that in the sense that I had to do it with the old ATI card either, but merely that that change was a point where I had to install a new driver.) I've yet to see any game which shits itself because I don't have the latest beta +0.0.0.1 driver release.

    Fifth, you can hook a PC to a big screen TV or beamer too, if that's what floats your boat. TV out connectors have been pretty much standard for some years.

    Sixth, it's not the size that matters, it's how you use it. At least that's what my SO keeps telling me;) Ok, joke aside, what matters isn't how big your screen is (except maybe for willy-waving rights), but how much of your FOV it feels. A 20" TFT screen at 3 ft distance fills just as much of your FOV as a 60" screen at 9 ft distance. Things look exactly as big. It's elementary geometry, see?

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    1. Re:Sadly, that's not true any more by Nursie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1. No they don't, only a small minority of games do that. Even so it doesn't negate the original point, that it's not "does it work with my hardware", "have I got a good enough gfx card", it just works and is a damn sight cheaper than a PC.

      2. So what?

      3. It only has one set of hardware to target. It'll be much more stable and much better tested on my hardware than yours.

      4. Good, glad for you.

      5. Call me when PC games routinely have multi-player through a single machine.

      6. Sure, whatever.

      I'm not trying to say that PC gaming is "inferior" in any way, it's just not the same. There's no technical reason why the cool console stuff with multiplayer local co-op etc couldn't run on my PC either. But it doesn't and there is a huge appeal to having a machine that is dedicated to gaming, comes on in seconds and is (mostly) guaranteed not to choke on the games you feed it.

    2. Re:Sadly, that's not true any more by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Informative

      I used to make the same argument, but it seems to me like that isn't true any more.

      Ever since they got hard drives, console games routinely get installed to hard drive first. I.e., there goes that "just want to put the disk in and play." It's only true in the same way as for a PC game.

      The biggest advantage for a console is you at least know games designed for the console will run fast as long as you own it. PC games tend to leave your rig in the dust sooner. But consoles are getting damned expensive these days.

      The biggest advantage of the PC is that you can run a more bleeding edge than the console so long as you're willing to pay for it. PC games also have a bigger modding scene. Oblivion, for example, is seen as almost unplayable in the vanilla version and many fans consider the tweaked version to be sublime. And the PC gamer can run it at a higher resolution with more doodads enabled.

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  5. Enlarge your e-penis! by loufoque · · Score: 2, Funny

    Results guaranteed!

  6. The real point of Gamerscore by lyinhart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think a lot of people are missing the real point of Gamerscore - to keep gamers playing a game. It's a surprisingly effective way of adding replay value to a game without actually adding extra content - earning achievements is akin to collecting baseball cards or Pokemon. Developers can also use multiplayer achievements that take time to unlock so that there's more people playing online. That having been said, the word "achievements" for these things is rather inappropriate, since most of these goals don't require any skill whatsoever. There's no skill involved in running around and collecting things in a 3D world like some of these goals entail. And of course, you can't translate gamerscore into any tangible, real world achievements.

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    1. Re:The real point of Gamerscore by TuaAmin13 · · Score: 3, Informative
      Agreed. I'm posting just a few achievements/trophies from Dead Space, which I recently played:
      • Complete Chapter 1 on any Difficulty
      • Complete Chapter 2 on any Difficulty
      • ...

      • Complete Chapter 12 on any Difficulty
      • Get 30 kills with Plasma Cutter
      • Get 30 kills with Ripper
      • Get 30 kills with Melee

      On the other end of the spectrum, we have the otaku level achievements, such as Cross Edge's "The Hikikomori: Spend far too much time unlocking dozens of titles." Just to let you know, there's at least 140 titles available, each title has requirements such like obtaining items X, Y, and Z, holding some quantity of item X in your inventory, doing over 10,000 damage, or having a combo over 400. Basically you have to 100% a RPG and then some in order to get this trophy.

  7. You're missing the point by Alarindris · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you take sport seriously, can you still call it a game?

    I hate it when people say this, I hear it all the time (along the lines of "it's just a game").
    Ever play poker for 'fun'? As in m&m's or peanuts instead of money?
    It doesn't work. It's not fun because there is no risk, no 'seriousness'.
    Games are meant to be taken 'seriously'. Competition is what makes them fun.

    I think I understand what you're saying, but that statement is just way too broad.

    1. Re:You're missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I once played poker with the Cookie Monster using (gluten-free) cookies instead of money, and let me tell you, it was dead fucking serious. My very life was at risk that night.

  8. Achievement Unlocked by iVasto · · Score: 3, Funny

    Failing at having fun. 50G

  9. A healthy dose of schadenfreude... by argent · · Score: 2, Funny

    I must admit to a healthy dose of schadenfreude when I read about a cheat program getting cracked. :)