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Transparent Aluminum Is "New State of Matter"

Professor_Quail writes with this interesting excerpt: "Oxford scientists have created a transparent form of aluminum by bombarding the metal with the world's most powerful soft X-ray laser. 'Transparent aluminum' previously only existed in science fiction, featuring in the movie Star Trek IV, but the real material is an exotic new state of matter with implications for planetary science and nuclear fusion."

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  1. This is a great breakthrough... by ls671 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is a great breakthrough. This means that we can now wear full face tinfoil hats for even more protection without risking to bump into something anymore. Thanks that tinfoil hats are actually made of aluminum nowadays ! ;-))

    Imagine the progress for this brave user:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_JVVaXmiE24g/RuYklvXfUqI/AAAAAAAAFDo/ES8XpC4bcbg/s400/tinfoil2.bmp

    Tinfoil hats are made of aluminum:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil_hat

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    1. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by lorenlal · · Score: 4, Funny

      But can we be sure that this is the guy who actually invented it?

    2. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Rei · · Score: 5, Funny

      A "keyboard"... how quaint.

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    3. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Scragglykat · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure he was given the secret to creating this material in exchange for enough of the material to make a whale sized fish tank out of...

    4. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tin foil hats are made from tin foil. If you're using aluminum foil, you're making an aluminum foil hat.

      Incidentally, aluminum is not very effective at blocking the government's mind control rays. Why do you think they replaced tin foil with aluminum foil? Luckily I stocked up decades ago, but anyone who thinks aluminum foil will protect them is playing right into the government's hands.

      Posting anonymously for obvious reasons.

    5. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by AdmiralXyz · · Score: 1

      Fantastic! Now all we have to do to avoid the government pummeling our heads with powerful X-ray lasers is to... uh... pummel our heads with powerful X-ray lasers.

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    6. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your star trek fu is not strong. Ahem "And how do we know he didn't invent the bloody thing?"

    7. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Informative

      I saw this at New Scientist yesterday and almost submitted it, until I actually read the article. The bombardment that makes it transparent only lasts for fractions of a nanosecond before the foil is comlpetely destroyed. A few commenters there pointed to some wikipedia articles with other transparent metals. One commenter said

      I always thought the "transparent aluminum" of Startrek was a tongue-in-cheek thing - on the basis that it has existed both naturally and man-made for donkeys years. Ok, it is aluminium OXIDE (sapphire) instead of JUST aluminium - but it is transparent, incredibly strong, extremely hard and is made out of nowt more exotic than aluminium and oxygen.

      Ruby the same of course but with a few chromium atoms bunged in for good measure and a nice red tint.

      Then there's Aluminium oxynitride which comes far closer to the Star Trek windows:

      Aluminium oxynitride (AlON) is a transparent ceramic composed of aluminium, oxygen and nitrogen. It is marketed under the name ALON and described in U.S. Patent 4,520,116. The material remains solid up to 1,200 C (2,190 F), and is harder than glass. When formed and polished as a window, the material currently (2005) costs about US$10 to US$15 per square inch (~ US$20,000/m).

      It is currently the crucial outer layer of experimental transparent armor being considered by the US Air Force for the windows of armored vehicles. Other applications include semiconductors and retail fixtures.

      Transparent ceramics:

      Most ceramic materials, such as alumina and its compounds, are formed from fine powders, yielding a fine grained polycrystalline microstructure which is filled with scattering centers comparable to the wavelength of visible light. Thus, they are generally opaque materials, as opposed to transparent materials. Recent nanoscale technology has, however, made possible the production of polycrystalline transparent ceramics such as transparent alumina.

      The value of the work described in TFA isn't that they made transparent aluminum, but

      for an instant, Wark and his team can create a new state of matter that is as dense as ordinary solid matter, but extremely hot. "That is the sort of matter you would get towards the centre of a giant planet," says Wark.

      The team hopes to study the properties of this hot, dense matter using new, more powerful lasers such as the Linac Coherent Light Source at Stanford, California. These lasers produce higher-energy X-rays that could probe the structure of the new material and measure its properties - perhaps providing some insight into the heart of Jupiter and the other giant planets.

    8. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by xgr3gx · · Score: 1

      The bombardment that makes it transparent only lasts for fractions of a nanosecond before the foil is comlpetely destroyed.

      Then how did they know it was actually transparent and not destroyed?
      They just assumed!
      I guess it could be compared to Cosmo Kramer's cold cut slices that were so thin he couldn't see them.

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    9. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great, this guy will be pleased, too:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQYSTWVeApI

    10. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Verdatum · · Score: 5, Funny

      How do we know that you aren't the government, cleverly trying to get the masses to switch from their effective aluminum foil to worthless tin foil??

    11. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, you can see right through it ... assuming your eyes work with "extreme ultraviolet radiation".

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    12. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          I made a lead fedora once to protect me from alien and government influence. It was too heavy to lift. I was considering a cowboy hat too, but it would probably suffer from the same problem. Or maybe they were simply beaming the idea into my mind, that it was too heavy. Damn those mind control beams.

          Maybe they implanted the memory of making it, so I'll believe I had done it, and it didn't work, so I wouldn't make one in the first place. Oh my god, they've controlled me, so I won't make the hats that will stop their control of humanity.

          why's my head tingling?

          hmmmm.... what was I saying? I'm hungry for a cheeseburger. A cyanide laced cheeseburger. Must make cyanide cheeseburger and eat it now.... Must eat cheeseburger... Must eat cheeseburger...

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    13. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by dontmakemethink · · Score: 3, Funny

      But can we be sure that this is the guy who actually invented it?

      I know what you mean! I invented the time machine, then it turns out my wife had already patented it a year earlier! Guess that means she's going to find out I've been tapping her sister...

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    14. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      A "keyboard"... how quaint.

      "Hello, Computer......."

    15. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Gerzel · · Score: 1

      Don't wear aluminum hats! They changed the frequency the aluminum HELPS the signal come in stronger. Use those anti-static bags many electronics are packaged in such as ram, or hard drives.

    16. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by b4upoo · · Score: 1

      But will transparent aluminum keep the radio waves out of one's head the same way plain old aluminum foil always has? Perhaps the evil enemy has created transparent aluminum in order to control our minds.

    17. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          The summary really blew it. When I read it, I believed that they bombarded aluminum, and then it would remain transparent. Ya, it takes more power than an entire city would use, focused on a tiny point, and it only remains transparent for a tiny amount of time. Amazingly useful for windows, as long as you don't need to see through it very long, and you don't mind being bombarded by radiation the whole time. I think OSHA may have something to say about them being used for windows in an office building. :)

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    18. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      A "keyboard"... how quaint.

      So why was he so good with it? Punch cards are quaint from my perspective but I wouldn't know where to start with them. Is he also proficient with using a morse code transmitter?

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    19. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by JackCroww · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't that be:

      I guess that means she's found out that I'm going to be tapping her sister.

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    20. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember - works best with shiney side out.

    21. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by thedonger · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't that be:

      I guess that means she's found out that I'm going to be tapping her sister.

      Shouldn't that be:

      I guess that means she found out that I'm going to have been tapping her sister.

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    22. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't believe I traveled millions of miles for this.

    23. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by I'm+not+really+here · · Score: 2, Funny

      Extremely high standards at Starfleet Academy?

      I mean, don't they still teach Assembly, COBOL and basic tube processor design in the good schools even though we've gone way past these "quaint" technologies?

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    24. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I simply use a couple of layers of each for maximum effectiveness...

    25. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by ad0n · · Score: 1

      that's what shampoo said.
      [ this comment idea was invented by shampoo ]

    26. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by asdf7890 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A "keyboard"... how quaint.

      So why was he so good with it? Punch cards are quaint from my perspective but I wouldn't know where to start with them. Is he also proficient with using a morse code transmitter?

      Maybe using an "old style" keyboard had become something of a game, something that engineering students would compete on to prove they were hard core.

      Or maybe, just maybe, it is only a piece of entertainment. If you are going to fail to suspend disbelief at the moment Scotty is able to use a keyboard proficiently how did you get through the previous scenes like the time travel thing, the whales communicating with aliens, and so on.

      I will go shoot myself now, for being sad enough to post the above!

    27. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've fallen for it. They want you to think that aluminum foil hats will protect you, but aluminum foil is useless. You need to get genuine tin foil for the hat to provide its protection!!!!

    28. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The solution would seem to be to wear both hats.

    29. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But only tin foil hats actually protect you from the mind control rays that THEY use on us. Aluminum foil is completely ineffective at providing protection. That's why THEY made tin foil difficult to obtain and put large quantities of cheap aluminum foil on the store shelves. Of course THEY want you to think that aluminum foil is just as good and that's why THEY use their mind control rays to make you believe that. And since you're only wearing an aluminum foil hat, you're not protected and you fall into their plan.

      So for me, I'll stick to real honest to goodness tin foil.

    30. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      But it's so simple. Only a great fool would reach for the tin foil hat. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose aluminum foil hat. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose tin foil hat.

    31. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by daVinci1980 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I saw this at New Scientist yesterday and almost submitted it, until I actually read the article.

      Oh you newbies, reading articles before submitting them.

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    32. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      AlON: "Inventors: Richard L. Gentilman, Edward A. Maguire, Leonard E. Dolhert" OK, that's not what we're looking for yet.

    33. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by jbeale53 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But it's so simple. Only a great fool would reach for the tin foil hat. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose aluminum foil hat. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose tin foil hat.

      So, you're saying that NEITHER tin nor aluminum is effective?!?

    34. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Lostlander · · Score: 1

      /sigh

      color/colour
      honor/honour
      herb/herb

      Perhaps you need this http://esl.about.com/library/vocabulary/blbritam.htm

    35. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by lordharsha · · Score: 1

      Do you honestly think that the government reads /.? If they did, they'd have destroyed the planet three times over what with some of the ideas that get tossed around here.

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    36. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by lordharsha · · Score: 1

      The bombardment that makes it transparent only lasts for fractions of a nanosecond before the foil is comlpetely destroyed.

      Hell, I could probably get similar results with a handful of C4

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    37. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am personally wearing a hat of my own design, it has two layers; one tin-foil, the other aluminum foil. Now I'm safe either way.

    38. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do we know that YOU aren't the government, cleverly trying to lessen the impact of the grandfathers post? Clearly, the only solution is to make a multi-layered tin foil AND aluminum foil hat.

    39. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Just think, we'd never have gotten this far if not for the movies...

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    40. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know which of the above posters to trust here.. I think I'm just going to have to go with Aluminum-Tin--Foil-Hybrid-Hats from now on...

    41. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Pollardito · · Score: 4, Funny

      So their breakthrough was creating something that is both dense and extremely hot? The same sort of thing can be found at most every bar I've been to

    42. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by itsdapead · · Score: 3, Funny

      Guess that means she's going to find out I've been tapping her sister...

      Only after you find out that her sister is also your own great-grandmother.

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    43. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      So inside Jupiter is a bunch of supermodels?

    44. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by tmosley · · Score: 1

      Many engineers can do both of those things.

    45. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, you're saying that NEITHER tin nor aluminum is effective?!?

      That's right. The only thing you can do is spend a year building up an immunity to government mind control rays.

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    46. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by jd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the same way the Russians still use thermionic valves for aircraft and spacecraft, and indeed high-end audiophiles use them for sound systems, there may be contexts in 25th century engineering where a mechanical keyboard is safer/superior to a touchscreen panel. In that case, Scotty would certainly have needed to be proficient with them.

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    47. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by jd · · Score: 1

      BTW, if asdf7890 is sad enough to shoot themselves for their posting, what would be sufficiently geeky for me to use for having worked out a solution to the continuity problem?

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    48. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by jd · · Score: 2, Informative

      It requires a [CENSORED BY NSA] number of alternating layers to be effective.

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    49. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by jd · · Score: 1

      So, Arthur C Clarke's diamond at the centre of Jupiter is actually made of transparent carbon...?

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    50. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      I had a course in assembly and fortran even as a mechanical engineer. I did go to a good school. But they skipped the cobol and tubes. Unless you mean Teh Intartubes....

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    51. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by oliverthered · · Score: 1

      no he's saying that he's been listening to the governments bullshit for a very long time and got used to it, so it doesn't matter if he wares a tin foil hat or an aliminum foil hat because he already immune where as you are not and will be poisened by the government whichever you choose.

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    52. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      How do we know that you aren't the government and that tin foil and aluminium foil don't cancel each other out?

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    53. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by biryokumaru · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It has been far too long since I saw a good Princess Bride quote on Slashdot. Kudos to you, sir.

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    54. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Ironica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the same way the Russians still use thermionic valves for aircraft and spacecraft, and indeed high-end audiophiles use them for sound systems, there may be contexts in 25th century engineering where a mechanical keyboard is safer/superior to a touchscreen panel.

      You're overthinking this. There would still be needs to input text manually in certain situations. They do use touchscreens... why wouldn't QWERTY have survived on a touch surface? The difference doesn't need to be as exotic as telegraph to telephone; it might just be manual typewriter to electric typewriter.

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    55. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet you are a fucking riot at parties Captain Buzzkill.

    56. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Taibhsear · · Score: 2, Funny

      We've just tangented from one meme to another so seamlessly it's almost INCONCEIVABLE!

    57. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      I mean, don't they still teach Assembly, COBOL and basic tube processor design in the good schools even though we've gone way past these "quaint" technologies?

      A good school will still teach older technologies if and only if they're still used. I had two semesters of Assembly (Intel x86 from the CS department and Mototola 68HC11 as part of an intro ECE class) and a one credit hour Fortran class (because the professor still used it in his modeling research), but no Cobol (I think someone taught it as a one credit hour class, but it wasn't required for a CS degree), and certainly nothing about vacuum tube systems other than as a historical note.

    58. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eveyone in the movies ALWAYS knows morse code.... come on.

    59. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by wcb4 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't think that word means what you think it means

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    60. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Dragonslicer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or maybe there won't be a massive revolution in input methods in the next few hundred years, so even with touch screens, you're still entering text using small squares with letters on them. The only replacement I can think of would be a wire sticking into your brain, since even flawless voice recognition wouldn't work too well in rooms with multiple people working at the same time.

    61. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      As is the one on your wife's finger!

    62. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by jejones · · Score: 1

      Perhaps for the same reason an airline pilot would fly an ultralight on weekends, or I and many others still have an 8-bit computer--or there are still calligraphers.

    63. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why I wear an aluminum foil hat over my tin foil hat.

    64. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly you don't have a clue about the meaning of the word 'clearly'.

    65. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by phaggood · · Score: 1

      providing some insight into the heart of Jupiter

      Poetry; pure poetry.

    66. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      The meme of transparent Aluminum is actually far more important than the science. Society is ruled by morons and and we need their tax dollars to fund civilization. Trust me, facts are important in science, hairstyles are important in society. All your bio-system cares about is if you can breed, civilization is an unnecessary parasite that your generation is about to discover. What do I care, I'm to old to give a toss about your demise.

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    67. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A "keyboard"... how quaint.

      So why was he so good with it? Punch cards are quaint from my perspective but I wouldn't know where to start with them.

      Think of it as in-depth engineering. Some of us can handle WIMPy interfaces and languages (AJAX should be a swear word), but still be proficient with earlier generations of technology. I've used vast quantities of punched cards (mostly FORTRAN-66 garnished with IBM JCL), and miles of paper tape (yay PDP-8/e). And if you're really interested, I can send and receive both Morse and semaphore - the real kind of semaphore where you hold flags in your hands. Never learned much beyond basics in smoke signals, however.

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    68. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Mr Anderson, even though you posted anonymously, we know who you are.

    69. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Wiscocrew · · Score: 1

      It's a proof of concept. It will take more time and research to perfect, but computers used to take more power than a city, were huge, and slow, too.

    70. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      First you share your solution with us.

      Then you find the nearest Starfleet Academy shuttle bay, steal a shuttle, and head for the sun. Hmm... something's wrong with that plan, but I can't quite put my finger on it...

    71. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by pentalive · · Score: 1

      To be really sure you must separate the layers with a dielectric like waxed paper.

      If you make multiple layers of tin and aluminum foil be sure to connect like layers together.

    72. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by sfwoodward · · Score: 1

      Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

    73. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's why I wear a tin foil hat ON TOP of an aluminum hat! And a condom pulled down over the hats and my head, just for safe internet browsing.

    74. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      A good school will still teach older technologies if and only if they're still used.

      Or foundational. A knowledge of how computers work at the assembler level will improve performance when they advance to more modern tools.

      My favorite example is one where a fresh engineer was getting four transactions per hour on a simple address parse, using a programming language that allowed a high level of abstraction. His set of several hundred "elseif"'s was, on the face of it, very logical. But what it did to the stack physics on the computer he was running on was totally over the top.

      We taught him the case statement later, but switching to a simple list of "if...endif" first cured the problem. The old hands saw what he was doing immediately, but he remained perplexed to the end.

      So leaping ahead to teh 1337 tools is all well and good, but if you do prepare to be mystified in embarrassing ways if you do.

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    75. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      And they can see things that happen for 40 femtoseconds.

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    76. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 3, Funny
      You had JCL? Ooo och sheer luuxury mon! We had GCOS and eight logical names and the first two letters had to match the COBOL FD!

      But can ye tell the young'uns about that nowadays? Noooo...

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    77. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      there may be contexts in 25th century engineering where a mechanical keyboard is safer/superior to a touchscreen panel.

      What do you mean? Mechanical keyboards are always far superior to touchscreen panels, unless you need to make it a tiny device.

    78. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amateurs.

      My cranial protection consists of a proprietary multi-layered approach.

      Tin
      Aluminum
      Gold Leaf - They use gold in the stealth bomber's hatch glass!
      Silver Leaf
      Maple Leaf - Canadians have been on to the maple leaf's protective qualities for decades.
      Vinyl Stripes - No protection, but it does make me faster (thanks civicforums.com for this tip!)

      The rest can't be revealed here.

    79. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1
      Both hats? But -- then you would have a cavity resonance between the two dissimilar metals, which is exactly what Pnee, the dog-faced boy from Pluto wants us to do!

      Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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    80. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Rhapsody+Scarlet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe using an "old style" keyboard had become something of a game, something that engineering students would compete on to prove they were hard core.

      Or maybe, just maybe, it is only a piece of entertainment. If you are going to fail to suspend disbelief at the moment Scotty is able to use a keyboard proficiently how did you get through the previous scenes like the time travel thing, the whales communicating with aliens, and so on.

      Actually, I think it's more (as I heard before) that it's OK to expect audiences to believe the impossible, but not the improbable. So it's fine that the crew of the Enterprise just time-travelled back to 1986 on a Bird of Prey, but it's not fine that a 23rd century engineer is able to touch type and operate a mid-80s Mac like he'd done this all his life.

      It may not be completely logical, but since when is the human mind completely logical?

    81. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Ironica · · Score: 1

      why's my head tingling?

      Are you sure it's not itching?

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    82. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Or foundational. A knowledge of how computers work at the assembler level will improve performance when they advance to more modern tools.

      In your example, though, it's technology that is still being used, even if it isn't being used directly by most programmers. I definitely agree that computer science students should have at least one semester of computer architecture (for me, it was a separate class from my Intel Assembly class). I wouldn't expect every CS student to be an expert in Assembly, but they should come out of the program knowing the basic concepts. If for some bizarre reason processors ever start running Java directly, I could see not teaching Assembly anymore, but details that a programmer doesn't use in their day-to-day work is much different than something like vacuum tubes that for all practical purposes don't even exist anymore.

    83. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by asdf7890 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It may not be completely logical, but since when is the human mind completely logical?

      I don't see no points on your ears boy, but you sound like a Vulcan...

    84. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      Actually, I know a couple of vintage computer buffs who weren't born when some of the technology they tinker with was built. And Scotty is probably the most likely person on the Enterprise to fall into that category. It isn't implausible that he'd find some ancient tech in a junkyard, figure out how to make it work, and learn enough about it to use it.

    85. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      Having just watched that movie a few days ago, I must say, it never gets old :)

      Ah, I needed a good laugh... thanks!

    86. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Informative

      A "keyboard"... how quaint.

      So why was he so good with it?

      Because he's Scotty.

      Punch cards are quaint from my perspective but I wouldn't know where to start with them.

      You, sir, are no Scotty.

      Is he also proficient with using a morse code transmitter?

      Yes. The Starfleet Engineering program is a thorough motherfucker.

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    87. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do we know that you aren't the government, cleverly trying to get the masses to switch from their effective aluminum foil to worthless tin foil??

      I've known for years the keys is layering!

    88. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      Actually not only is the transparent effect only extremely temporary, but it's not transparent in the visible light spectrum. From TFA:

      In this weekâ(TM)s Nature Physics an international team, led by Oxford University scientists, report that a short pulse from the FLASH laser âknocked outâ(TM) a core electron from every aluminium atom in a sample without disrupting the metalâ(TM)s crystalline structure. This turned the aluminium nearly invisible to extreme ultraviolet radiation.

      So it'd great if we were looking for a way to stay in the shade but still get a sunburn...

    89. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even in the Star Trek future there are many interfaces with buttons... Number pads on doors, various consoles etc. Given that they still use the English language, a keyboard should be decently intuitive to the characters. In reality, it would likely not even be "quaint" since there must be (noisy or crowded) environments where voice control is inconvenient or undesirable but there's a need to make notes.

    90. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      As is the one on your wife's finger!

      The cheap bastard bought an occluded diamond......

    91. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by raodin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Go back and watch the scene again when you have a chance. He's learning how to type as he goes - he gets faster and faster as the scene progresses. You might not know where to start with punch cards, but they still speak and write English in Star Trek, and keyboards are conveniently labeled.

    92. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by kzieli · · Score: 1

      This is a great breakthrough. This means that we can now wear full face tinfoil hats for even more protection without risking to bump into something anymore. Thanks that tinfoil hats are actually made of aluminum nowadays ! ;-))

      for an estimated 40 femtoseconds. Their is also the whole nearly invisible to extreme ultra violet radiation, which is not exactly in the visible spectrum.

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    93. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by TClevenger · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't that be: I guess that means she found out that I'm going to have been tapping her sister.

      Paging Dr. Streetmentioner, Dr. Dan Streetmentioner...

    94. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by morghanphoenix · · Score: 1

      Don't you know anything? Tin Foil only acts as an amplifier. They just want you to think it will protect you so you have a false sense of security.

      [/SMART ASS]

    95. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know what you mean! I invented the time machine, then it turns out my wife had already patented it a year earlier! Guess that means she's going to find out I've been tapping her sister...

      Come on, this is Slashdot. What's more likely to be science fiction -- transparent aluminum or a wife?

    96. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by slyborg · · Score: 1

      If only I had some iocaine powder....

    97. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Chabo · · Score: 1

      Then you find the nearest Starfleet Academy shuttle bay, steal a shuttle, and head for the sun. Hmm... something's wrong with that plan, but I can't quite put my finger on it...

      Simple. You need a metaphasic shield installed first.

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    98. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Phroggy · · Score: 2, Informative

      He's right; researchers at MIT confirmed that aluminum foil actually amplifies, rather than blocks, the government's mind control rays.

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    99. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by lgw · · Score: 1

      I think it's "willen haven been tapping her syster", according to this handy grammar guide for time travelers I picked up ...

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    100. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by innerweb · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... Really is "Time Enough For Love". -InnerWeb

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    101. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by dissy · · Score: 4, Funny

      A "keyboard"... how quaint.

      So why was he so good with it? Punch cards are quaint from my perspective but I wouldn't know where to start with them. Is he also proficient with using a morse code transmitter?

      Because he's Scotty. He's bad ass!

      Don't you watch the show?

      P.S., yes, he is proficient in morse code. Even lowly captain picard knows how to write long instructions in binary!
      And we all know the engineers know waaaay more than the officers, in any time period :D

      (Two more stamps on my geek card and I get a free sandwich!)

    102. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by innerweb · · Score: 1

      Don't forget your precious photographs.

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    103. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >

      Posting anonymously for obvious reasons.

      Just like I wanted you to. Heh Heh Heh.

    104. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really believe his lies? He said he has a wife and he's tapping her sister! Pfff, I could even believed the time machine part if it wasn't for the two girls thing.

    105. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      You jest, but there's a nugget of truth in every joke. We still teach a decent amount of mathematics (on average), even though computers are far better at it. Of course, whether people can actually use what they learned later in life is a different issue.

    106. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      the Russians still use thermionic valves for aircraft and spacecraft

      Thermionic valves--what a quaint way of saying electron tubes... ;-)

      Actually, there is some reason to use valves/tubes in military craft--they are less susceptible to EMP than solid-state electronics. Not immune, mind you, but hardier.

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    107. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who said that government spending and materials management changes all that much in the23rd century? I know in the Air Force, there are still Punch card readers, old style terminals wish built-in ashtrays, and tape reels with AT&T system 5 still being used. The military also has to keep a depot of spare parts to maintain some very old systems that still get used for one political, contractual, or budgetary reason or another. Scotty is in the military, some rules never change and he might still have to learn this stuff in Tech school.

    108. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by nacturation · · Score: 1

      You had JCL? Ooo och sheer luuxury mon! We had GCOS and eight logical names and the first two letters had to match the COBOL FD!

      But can ye tell the young'uns about that nowadays? Noooo...

      Paradise! Why, in my day we actually omitted the part about telling young people so that others could chime in with their own witty versions. We only dreamed of cutting off a funny thread of posts at the knees like you just did.

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    109. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      ...because perhaps Scotty was a true engineer?

      Just because they are 'out-dated', whatever that means...

      I'm using a netbook to post this, from Japan. But I still know how to use an abacus, as well as a calculator.

      I can program in assembly, though I usually code in Python, C, etc.

      And yes, I did learn programming on a keypunch machine in high school, circa 1972. :-) ROTFL

      And yes, I know how ALL digital technology works, on a binary level, thanks to being introduced to assembly coding in 1972. Assembly line statements typed into a keypunch machine. Then card deck sent to university main frame by mail (PCs hadn't been invented yet! :-)). Received printout (usually full of errors :-)) about a week later. Repeat ad nosium. My first 'high level' programming language was Fortran. Haven't touched it much lately...:-)

      Jeez, young'uns these days. Just because they walk around with a netbook and an ipod, they think they have a clue. Ask any of them about the binary code actually being run on these devices and you'll get a blank look.
      Obviously, not 'Scotty' level material, these younguns...no doubt most younguns these days would either not be accepted, or flunk out of Star Fleet Academy...:-)

      Now get off my lawn.

    110. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      "But can we be sure that this is the guy who actually invented it?" The Al hat http://polisat.com/GAIA_HAT.htm . -- Clear, Concise, Complete : Pick Two

    111. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by blitziod · · Score: 1

      you know as well as i do that scotty would have an old school ibm clickety clacker of his own somewhere.

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    112. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by SilentSandman · · Score: 1

      Why not? We can already do basic audio filtering, I've little doubt that a few hundred years of advancement will be able to pick out a single voice in a crowded room. Especially with the funding governments would happily put towards it for 'security' reasons.

    113. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you had 8 not too long ago.

    114. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      Paradise! Why, in my day we actually omitted the part about telling young people so that others could chime in with their own witty versions. We only dreamed of cutting off a funny thread of posts at the knees like you just did.

      Don't let that stop you! GCOS allowed forward references.

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    115. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by BlackusDiamondus · · Score: 1

      Then you find the nearest Starfleet Academy shuttle bay, steal a shuttle, and head for the sun. Hmm... something's wrong with that plan, but I can't quite put my finger on it...

      Simple. You need a metaphasic shield installed first.

      I could have sworn you said a "Metaphysical" shield... Sigh, my brain hurts

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    116. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think transparent ceramics are something new, then maybe you should wikipedia "glass." Its an amazing new transparent ceramic...

    117. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Sure, the computer could handle that kind of environment, but most of the people would probably find it very difficult to work with that much noise around them.

    118. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by quetzalblue · · Score: 1

      Being a pretty old mainframe fart, I do a lot of touch typing .. on a querty keyboard. After moocho years of typing on a querty, I got to work on an azerty keyboard. Believe me, you dont learn a new keyboard in 30 seconds .. more like 3 days for just so/so speed. My *personal* guess is you folks really do need some imagination.

      Picture this: Some dude in a funny uniform shows up and offers you the molecular layout or whatever, of transparent aluminum. He offers to give it to you on your computer .. never mind the now proverbial "Computer !" to the mouse. Imagine he cant type for beans... also imagine he asks how the damned blasted computer works. Now imagine Scotty being thrown out on his ear. Hmm .. the story line might need a tad improving at this point.

      So, lets just say reality sucks and being an ober the hill uber-geek would suck too, but we tend to suspend disbelief for Star Trek. It's just entertainment :-) ..

      Any minute now we'll get someone complaining that they can still see the strings holding up the models !!

    119. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by SpaceCadets · · Score: 1

      Inconceivable! Now, prepare to die...

    120. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by vidnet · · Score: 1

      Is he also proficient with using a morse code transmitter?

      Scotty? Yes, obviously.

    121. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by worip · · Score: 1

      This might be a case of the kaizer's clothes. The friggin' laser probably vaporized the aluminium in the first place, leaving it transparent because it is not really there! Mmm, only *really* intelligent people can actually feel the aluminium...

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    122. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe using an "old style" keyboard had become something of a game, something that engineering students would compete on to prove they were hard core.

      Sure. Like slide rules are today. Oh, wait, I was the only student in my (admittedly small) department who had a slide rule; it's almost as though engineering students don't generally go in for such weird varieties of hard-core as is generally assumed.

    123. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      you know as well as i do that scotty would have an old school ibm clickety clacker of his own somewhere.

      And noone would be surprised that it survived so far into the future. Probably Scottys grandkids are still going to be able to use it....

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    124. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Le+Tmraire · · Score: 1

      Even I had a Cobol course. And I have an applied economics master. What sense does that make?

    125. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I wonder if it is theoretically possible for Star Trek script writers to crash the brains of Trekkies with some impossible to rationalize plot hole?

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    126. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Believe me, you dont learn a new keyboard in 30 seconds .. more like 3 days for just so/so speed

      Actually, it's more or less 20 minutes. I live in a country where AZERTY (two varieties, the FR an de BE) and QWERTZ (two varieties, the DE and the CH-FR, CH-DE - which are essentially the same) are all common. As a computer geek, I also have the typical American Model M with US layout and I often set it to US-International which is yet another adaptation. I switch around between them on a daily base and usually the q/a w/z/y errors only occur in the first 20 minutes.

      Just a simple run-through of what I have in my household:

      • My netbook, ordered in Germany (cheapest place I could get it) is QWERTZ
      • My personal laptop. Bought when on sale, they only had the AZERTY version (BE variety)
      • Wifes computer is QWERTZ with my account set to CH-FR and hers set to CH-DE
      • My desktop is QWERTY with US International

      Now, learning a drastically different layout like Dvorak or something not based on QWERTY, now that's going to take more time. Switching between the related ones, not so.

      (Typed on an AZERTY)

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    127. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Tin foil doesn't help but you can take the easy route instead of a year of guru meditation, why do you think there's a war on drugs going on? Just keep puffing and as they lose control you'll notice them more and more, at the end of the year you'll be all like "Man, can't you tell the mind control rays are like all around? Last night I was so out there I could practically see them." Also after that year be sure to mention it to prospective employers, they love free thinkers that have already been through the program.

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    128. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by JosKarith · · Score: 1
      Archer doesn't in the Enterprise episode where Sato has a transporter accident. He recognises ...---... as SOS but gets confused when she tries something more complex.

      Oh hell, I just admitted to having watched Enterprise didn't I. I'll go crawl back under a rock now...

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    129. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by JosKarith · · Score: 1

      Oh they do. It's just not the kind of hard-core _you're_ thinking of.

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    130. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by xouumalperxe · · Score: 1

      This is a great breakthrough. This means that we can now wear full face tinfoil hats for even more protection without risking to bump into something anymore. Thanks that tinfoil hats are actually made of aluminum nowadays ! ;-))

      Mate, don't do that. It's a trap. I mean, the bloody thing is transparent, there's no way it protects you from the rays. They're trying to make you trade your privacy for some comfort. We know how that ends.

    131. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by fractoid · · Score: 1

      There may be contexts in 25th century engineering where a mechanical keyboard is safer/superior to a touchscreen panel. In that case, Scotty would certainly have needed to be proficient with them.

      In a role as technical officer, he'd be in contact with a thousand little standalone devices, none of which would be smart enough to have built-in natural language processing. Not because it wouldn't be technically possible, but because it's a waste when a keyboard would do just as well at a much lower cost. And we haven't yet realistically beaten the keyboard as a means of controlling a terminal-type interface.

      Think of it as being like the serial inputs on most electronics modules these days. A sort of engineer-level human interface.

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    132. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by ciderVisor · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but the GP uses a QUERTY !!1!!1!

      I used an AZERTY whilst on holiday in France. Egads, it felt like learning to type all over again.

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    133. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by dword · · Score: 1

      Let's hope he won't ask for copyright or trademark registration.. [/obvious/.rant].

    134. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by ciderVisor · · Score: 1

      Wear the fox hat.

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    135. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      Scotty: Computer? Computer??

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    136. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The hell with the keyboard -- what's important is that panty manufacturers everywhere are now rejoicing!

    137. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just use them both

    138. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by bronney · · Score: 1

      Everyone uses mathematics in their daily life but takes it for granted. Every time you choose to take that route rather than this route when driving, you're using it. Every time you buy something with rebate and a time lag to get paid back, or topping off a mortgage that much closer. Every time you're trading your money with time and vice versa, you're using it.
      .
      I hated mathematics but it's only when I needed it most that I appreciate it. The first time way back was that I need to calculate the length of line on a grid to show the vector addition concept in a flash app, mid point theorem. The second time was just yesterday, thinking about how to score an online survey project properly without killing our developer, permutations and combinations. When you're required to do some stuff for bread, you'd be so happy you learned it in school. :)
      .
      Damn I sound like a nerd. bah

    139. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Why not just create a dual-layer tin/aluminum foil hat?

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    140. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on - that would look ridiculous.

    141. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      Or, forgetting about mind rays for a minute, I'd actually want to make a transparent engine block - combine it with those laser spark plugs and some pretty colours - that'd be some interesting bling.

    142. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      More like 150 kw. [pdf] A lot of power, but not enough to power a city. From :

      Besides its speed, the most remarkable thing about ENIAC was its size and complexity. ENIAC contained 17,468 vacuum tubes, 7,200 crystal diodes, 1,500 relays, 70,000 resistors, 10,000 capacitors and around 5 million hand-soldered joints. It weighed 30 short tons (27 t), was roughly 8.5 by 3 by 80 feet (2.6 m × 0.9 m × 26 m), took up 680 square feet (63 m2), and consumed 150 kW of power.[8] Input was possible from an IBM card reader, and an IBM card punch was used for output. These cards could be used to produce printed output offline using an IBM accounting machine, an example of which would be the IBM 405.

    143. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by alexj33 · · Score: 1

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    144. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your 733t skills awe me. Do you have a fanclub I could join?

      P.S. Azerty sucks donkey balls.

    145. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by FreekyGeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I find his expertise with a keyboard a bit unlikely, though perhaps plausible.

      What I find *totally* laughable is not that he type like a daemon, but that he not only knows a 20th-century (hundreds of years old, to him) CAD program, he knows it so well that he even has all the keyboard shortcuts memorized and can create a highly complex engineering document without even touching the mouse. In about 30 seconds.

    146. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly, one must wear their aluminum hat over their tin foil hat. ...In their underground bunker. With the lights off. While holding their breath.

    147. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously Scotty is secretly running Starfleet on a Mac Plus to avoid the Borg Screen of Death Data has to put up with. [from: Uncyclopedia Micro$oft_Window$ page ]

    148. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      For about 40 femtoseconds. Oh, and while being bombarded with high-intensity X-rays. But otherwise, sure.

    149. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      You realize you just replied about the obsolescence of keyboards to someone with asdf in their username, right?

    150. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Ironica · · Score: 1

      Actually, no, I didn't... that was the GP. I replied to jd.

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    151. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      In the same way the Russians still use thermionic valves for aircraft and spacecraft, and indeed high-end audiophiles use them for sound systems

      Not even all that high end, just vintage. Nobody would call a receiver from the 1970's (or early 80's for Sansui) "high end" by today's standards, but the Marantz 4300/4400 and Sansui QX series are still highly desirable quadraphonic amplifiers. Fully restored units are available for around $1,000, not surprisingly using Russian tubes. Guitarists are also delighted that the Russians continue to build and export tubes. There was a time when there were serious concerns what was going to happen to all those vintage amplifiers when the tubes ran out. Hobbyists can only fill a small demand.

      Mal-2

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    152. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Abreu · · Score: 1

      That one is actually a piece of zirconia, but -shhh!- don't tell her!

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    153. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by raodin · · Score: 1

      You or I don't learn a new keyboard in 30 seconds, but Scotty does... That's the point of the scene. It is a demonstration that he is such a technical genius that he can pick up and effectively use an unfamiliar, obsolete technology in such a short time frame.

    154. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by querist · · Score: 1

      Scotty WAS an officer. A Captain, actually, which is the mark of a true career man to make it to that rank and not be commanding a ship. Scotty was THE engineer. You don't make it to that high of a rank and not command a ship unless you're REALLY good at what you do, and Scotty was one of the best. (Sorry, LaForge, Scotty still has you beat.)

      (FWIW my dentist is a retired US Navy Captain, and yes, he was a dentist in the Navy. He has some very interesting stories.)

    155. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by jd · · Score: 1

      Blame it on maintaining an old Marconi R1155 WW2-vintage receiver. (Haven't got the radio direction finder re-wired yet.)

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    156. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by jd · · Score: 1

      As I've noted elsewhere, I have an old WW2-vintage R1155. It's not the classiest of receivers, but it does have some very nice features and has a wide enough range that it can even do some radio astronomy.

      I'd never thought of using it just as an amplifier, but I suppose it could be used that way. Since it's designed to operate with three aerials and supports bias between them, that might be quite a neat hack. Not sure how I could get 3 outputs from the guitar though.

      (Semi-aside: I did consider, at one point, making my own guitar using 2-directional magnetic field sensors, since the strings have essentially two degrees of freedom. You can certainly get sensors that would be far, far more sensitive and far less damping than the induction coils normally used. This could have some interesting properties, particularly if you wire it through an old-style valve amplifier.)

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    157. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by jd · · Score: 1

      Don't you know by now that geeks don't know any women?

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    158. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      It's a bit disconcerting the first time, but if you switch regularly it's not really a big deal.

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    159. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      We still teach a decent amount of mathematics (on average), even though computers are far better at it.

      Humans are better at math than computers. Computers are far better at elementary arithmetic, but math is not just doing the addition or division, but taking the word problem, processing it to determine the variables, creating equations to solve for them, then solve for them. Computers are vastly faster and more accurate for the last step, but not as good at the other steps. The only reason to know arithmetic is because you might not be near a calculator, and so that you can learn the more complex theories. But math is integral to living (pun intended) and something that a computer can't replace.

    160. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      You can run each set of pickups as a separate channel -- you should get at least two channels that way. You can even split humbuckers (if you can get them open) and use them as two slightly different sets of pickups. You could have one channel "clean" another with distortion, and a third with whatever comes out of your stomp boxes. You could install a theremin on your guitar and drive a separate channel off of that. It seems to me there are PLENTY of ways to drive three channels from one guitar.

      Mal-2

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    161. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Mattsson · · Score: 1

      And he also knows exactly how the OS and the software works. ^_^

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    162. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually - it takes about 4 years to build the immunity.

    163. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by mcgrew · · Score: 1
    164. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Sounds like an invitation for blackmail!

    165. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      You a ham? I'm in the process of studying for my ticket and gathering up gear.

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    166. Re:This is a great breakthrough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the more you drink the hotter they get.

  2. Tag by 427_ci_505 · · Score: 1

    Tag this 'transparisteel'

    1. Re:Tag by KylePflug · · Score: 1

      Beat me to it. But seriously, guys.

  3. Frankly by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Funny

    I just can't see it.

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    1. Re:Frankly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      When I was a kid I asked my father who was the director of research for a major steel company why he didn't invent see-through steel. He looked at me funny and said, "we already have it son, let me show you." He then took me to the back door and opened it up and said, "look see through steel!" He was refering to the screen door.

    2. Re:Frankly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just can't see it.

      How couldn't you? It's quite a hot topic.

  4. "Tansparent" by 4D6963 · · Score: 5, Informative

    If I got TFA right, it's only transparent to ultraviolets, through a tiny hole, and for a few femtoseconds. I'm sure it's great news but it's a bit over my head, and it's definitely nothing as cool as I was picturing.

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    1. Re:"Tansparent" by chebucto · · Score: 1

      That's my read too.

      This part of the summary was particularly misleading:

      "but the real material is an exotic new state of matter with implications for planetary science and nuclear fusion.""

      it should be changed to this:

      "but the real material is an exotic new state of matter with implications for research into planetary science and nuclear fusion."

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    2. Re:"Tansparent" by furby076 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Typically, in research, the first hurdle is to get a repeatable and reliable test case that has almost no practical use (ala this situation). Once they accomplish that hurdle (also sometimes referred to as proof of concept) they can proceed to make it last longer (e.g. make it permenant), make it work better (e.g. invisible to the visible spectrum), make it cheaper for mass production (e.g. so we can build large versions of these) and then continue other improvements.

      Basically this was a HUGE hurdle - they were able to show this is possible. Now they will get more funding and they can continue...hopefully we will see (or in this case not see) invisible alumnimum in the future and eventually other items.

      BTW - similar systems (recent article) was the Green diode laser. Now with green diode lasers we will eventually have TVs using lasers to draw our images.

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    3. Re:"Tansparent" by KDR_11k · · Score: 0, Troll

      Now with green diode lasers we will eventually have TVs using lasers to draw our images.

      Or at least a Virtual Boy with a color display.

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    4. Re:"Tansparent" by hurfy · · Score: 1

      ...and required the entire output of a power plant to do that much.

      Scaling up might be a bit of an issue for a while :O

    5. Re:"Tansparent" by Thaelon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would say that a microscopic hole that is transparent for a few femtoseconds to a small slice of the magnetic spectrum is more of a proof of potential possibility than a proof of concept of what the phrase "transparent aluminum" brings to mind.

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    6. Re:"Tansparent" by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Now with green diode lasers we will eventually have TVs using lasers to draw our images.

      And soon afterwards, we won't have to worry about buying new television sets, because we'll all have holes in our retinas the size of our eyeballs.

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    7. Re:"Tansparent" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mitsubishi already released a rear projection laser TV. It's overpriced for the performance.

    8. Re:"Tansparent" by PatrickThomson · · Score: 2, Informative

      See, your comment is a perfect example of the cancer that is "science" journalism. This experimental result is in no way something that could ever be made into windows or body armour. This was a misconception due to certain words (like transparent) having rigorous meanings in the scientific community.

      A suitable analogy: Journalist reads wikipedia page on the stanford Z-Machine, sees "wires move fast". Could this be the next step in automatic cheese-slicing technology? No.

      Another analogy: The superheated plasma in the core of the sun is so dense/electromagnetically active that photons of light are randomly reflected on a squiggly path. Could nuclear fusion lead to portable full-length mirrors? No.

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    9. Re:"Tansparent" by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "(e.g. make it permenant)"

      HAHAHAHAHahahaha.. ah, the Universe would disagree with you in thit case.

      Did you read what they are doing? they're blasting an electron out of orbit. It takes 40 femtoseconds for nature to reinsert one.
      It will never be permanent using this method, ever.

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    10. Re:"Tansparent" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TV's like this one that's been out since 2008? http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/product/L65A90/

    11. Re:"Tansparent" by Vellmont · · Score: 1

      The problem is that atoms in an excited state (which is how this works) don't like to stay that way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_state

      So I wouldn't start predicting any "and eventually they'll just make it permanent" just yet. Predicting future scientific advancement based on past scientific advancement is beyond foolish.

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    12. Re:"Tansparent" by Evil+Pete · · Score: 1

      I don't think you could even call this "aluminium" in any normal sense of the word. It was a hot plasma with the electrons displaced somewhat, from memory. It is extremely interesting, I think plasma physics is fascinating, but calling it 'Transparent Aluminium' ... that is just wrong.

      Oh and yes for the anal crowd: I do not live in the USA so I use a different spelling and pronunciation of the element, but we all know I am speaking of 'Al', atomic number 13.

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    13. Re:"Tansparent" by Sebilrazen · · Score: 1

      The problem is that atoms in an excited state (which is how this works) don't like to stay that way.

      Neither does my girlfriend.

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    14. Re:"Tansparent" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Today only on slashdot.org: Scientists have created transparent* aluminium!!! Like the transparent* aluminium seen on Startrek!!!**

      *For the purposes of this article transparent is defined as nearly invisible to extreme ultraviolet radiation. Effect lasts for ~ 40 femtoseconds and laser utilised for this state change requires more power than can be provided by a power plant that provides electricity to an entire city.

      **may contain traces of nuts egg or milk

    15. Re:"Tansparent" by furby076 · · Score: 1

      This experimental result is in no way something that could ever be made into windows or body armour
      Interesting comment, and this is my response to it
      "Everything that can be invented has been invented." Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. patent office, 1899

      See, your comment is a perfect example of the cancer that is "science" journalism

      Also, stop belittling the word "cancer". It's a serious ailment that shouldn't be brought anywhere near this topic.

      My original comments were fairly accurate - this is a huge first step. It is proof of concept and hopefully we will be able to take more positive steps in the future...nothing may come out - and maybe this is something that can't give us any ppractical uses (ala transparent metal) but we won't know until we try.

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    16. Re:"Tansparent" by PatrickThomson · · Score: 1

      we won't know until we try

      We do, though. An examination of the paper indicates that this is a phase change to a new state of matter that happens when you pump a massive quantity of (specifically-tuned) laser energy into a small area, and the state doesn't last very long before collapsing into a good old-fashioned plasma.

      Now, I should clarify. Lasers themselves operate by a process of population inversion, finding long-lived upper states which can then collapse coherently. The high-energy states of Al atoms involved in the parent article fundamentally disrupt the electronic structure of the metal, and relax extremely quickly. Even if a population inversion could be maintained by virtue of the decay process being forbidden under quantum selection rules (lasers have solved this, and such a process might be applicable here), the material would most likely not retain any of the physical properties of aluminium, in addition to not absorbing UV light.

      I'm not poopooing further research in this area, I'm just saying that there are a lot of promising avenues towards transparent windows and the parent article is no more likely to achieve that goal than the release of linux 2.8. That is to say, it's impressive, but your hope stems from a misreading of the secondary journalistic fallout.

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  5. It's worse than that... by Celeste+R · · Score: 0
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    1. Re:It's worse than that... by Krneki · · Score: 1

      It's time youtube checks uploaders for drug use.

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    2. Re:It's worse than that... by VJ42 · · Score: 1

      It's time youtube checks uploaders for drug use.

      That song got to number one in the eighties here in the UK (or so I'm told, I was about 3 at the time).

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    3. Re:It's worse than that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These aren't drug users, this is the official music video for the song.

  6. I must say... by Spiflicator · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thats a whale of a claim.

  7. Wow! by Korbeau · · Score: 1

    All the benifits of aluminum paper and saran wrap combined together for all my food needs! Marvelous! Is it eatable and delicious too? Think about never having to unwrap a sandwich again!

  8. Temporary by drunken_boxer777 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not to diminish their accomplishments, but from TFA:

    This turned the aluminium nearly invisible to extreme ultraviolet radiation.
    Whilst the invisible effect lasted for only an extremely brief period - an estimated 40 femtoseconds - it demonstrates that such an exotic state of matter can be created using very high power X-ray sources.

    So this doesn't quite have as broad a nerd appeal as the summary would lead us to believe.

    1. Re:Temporary by eldavojohn · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Very temporary. I think the biggest thing here is what the researchers speculate can be done with this. I submitted a story after this guy but I'll just past the firehose here because I'm lazy:

      Star Trek's transparent aluminum has already been realized by heating aluminum but Oxford scientists claim to have found a new state of matter while making transparent aluminum. The laser in use is the FLASH laser, based in Hamburg, Germany and each brief pulse of X-Ray energy it releases is 'more powerful than the output of a power plant that provides electricity to a whole city.' Although the new state only lasts about 40 femtoseconds, Oxford Professor Justin Wark has high hopes for this research, "Transparent aluminium is just the start. The physical properties of the matter we are creating are relevant to the conditions inside large planets, and we also hope that by studying it we can gain a greater understanding of what is going on during the creation of 'miniature stars' created by high-power laser implosions, which may one day allow the power of nuclear fusion to be harnessed here on Earth."

      I think they're excited about the strange fusion capabilities this new state may allow them to harness. Nothing conclusive yet though.

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    2. Re:Temporary by fulldecent · · Score: 1

      Tag this: sensationalslashdot

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    3. Re:Temporary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not a scientist so I wasn't familiar with what a femtosecond was. According to the great google calc:

      40 femtoseconds = 4.0 x 10 ^ -14 seconds

    4. Re:Temporary by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      Oh, I don't know; 40 femtoseconds is a significant fraction of my attention span.

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    5. Re:Temporary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is slashdot.. there is no appeal to these broads you speak of.

  9. Doesn't look that way. by Sj0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nothing in the article makes it sound very transparent in the way we'd imagine transparency. Extreme ultra-violet? Maybe, but it sure looks from the image like that transparent aluminium is at best translucent for visible spectrum light -- look at how much that laser is diffused.

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    1. Re:Doesn't look that way. by Anonymous+Struct · · Score: 3, Funny

      As long as you can see whales through it, that's really all we need. Don't over-engineer things so much.

    2. Re:Doesn't look that way. by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Nothing in the article makes it sound very transparent in the way we'd imagine transparency.

      No, it just makes it sound transparent in the way understood by anyone who actually understands what the word "transparent" means. Alas, this apparently excludes a large number of people.

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    3. Re:Doesn't look that way. by fr4nk · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we wouldn't want a shark container made of said transparent aluminum to let through laser light in its full intensity, now would we?

    4. Re:Doesn't look that way. by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Language is defined by the people who speak it. The dictionary in 1600 had words like "fyre" in it, but today those words don't exist because nobody spells fire that way therefore that word doesn't exist. There are words that exist today that never existed in the past, and words that existed in the past that don't exist today. The language is defined by the people who speak it.

      If the majority considers "transparent" to mean "Capable of transmitting light so that objects or images can be seen as if there were no intervening material", then that's what it means. If it blocks everything but some invisible ultraviolet rays, then it's not transparent.

      Now "translucent", as defined as "Transmitting light but causing sufficient diffusion to prevent perception of distinct images", that I'd give you, given the image.

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    5. Re:Doesn't look that way. by Major_Sarcasm · · Score: 1

      Sharks with freakin' lasers? No way they'd shoot through transparent aluminium.

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  10. Fashion by PPH · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    with implications for planetary science and nuclear fusion.

    And don't forget about the possibilities this will open up in terms of fashion for the foil hat crowd.

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  11. Al2O3 is transparent by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sapphire glass has been common place for many decades. It is by weight a little more than half Aluminum and very transparent.

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    1. Re:Al2O3 is transparent by ChefInnocent · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I thought ALON was our Transparent Aluminum. I'd still like to see the day when they can mass produce it though.

    2. Re:Al2O3 is transparent by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Probably relatively brittle though? I can't imagine it to deform first the way aluminium would.

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    3. Re:Al2O3 is transparent by gurps_npc · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also ruby. Same thing as sapphire, but with slightly different impurities. Oh and we already know how to artificially make both.

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    4. Re:Al2O3 is transparent by Hadlock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I remember watching years ago (early 90's?) on PBS some show (NOVA or similar) where researchers were growing rubies in a bowl of "ruby soup" with a shard of a ruby as a starter, uh, crystal I guess. Apparently you would pop this recipe in the microwave for a half hour or so on low power and end up with a a chunk of material you could break up and grind down into a couple of 1 carat "rubies". The voiceover said they couldn't give away the recipe since it would tank the ruby market. I've googled for this magic recipe, but nothing's come up. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd greatly appreciate it.

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    5. Re:Al2O3 is transparent by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      It's very tough and scratch resistant. But it is not malleable like metallic aluminum. If you were to put a load on it, it would eventually fracture. On the other hand aluminum oxide is what gives metallic aluminum its corrosion resistance and some of its other desirable properties.

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    6. Re:Al2O3 is transparent by Solandri · · Score: 3, Informative

      Aluminum oxide (corundum) is a ceramic (as are all glasses) and is rather brittle. It doesn't have the malleability, ductility, and fracture toughness (plastic deformation beyond the yield strength instead of complete failure) which makes metals a desirable structural material. Currently, when we need a transparent material with these properties we use plastics, but they tend to be lower strength and much more flexible (bendy) than metals. A transparent metal would be awesome because it could serve the same function with less volume of material and less need for structural stiffening.

    7. Re:Al2O3 is transparent by Artraze · · Score: 2, Informative

      My guess would be that the recipe is based on Aluminum Hydroxide. It melts at the fairly modest temperature of 300C and can be dissolved in acidic or strongly basic solutions. Because it is basically hydrated alumina (it's sometimes called that) it's not too hard to believe that with the right additives you could have the alumina 'condense' on to a seed crystal. For color, you'll probably also want to add chromium hydroxide.

      If you're looking to experiment, ceramic stores (i.e. pottery craft supply stores) will carry the aluminum hydroxide. They only carry chromium oxide, but that dissolves in acid to from essentially the same products as the hydroxide. Keep the acid as week as possible (just enough to dissolve the products, I think; you don't want it to fume). Good luck.

    8. Re:Al2O3 is transparent by vlm · · Score: 2, Informative

      The voiceover said they couldn't give away the recipe since it would tank the ruby market. I've googled for this magic recipe, but nothing's come up.

      Sounds like the kind of BS you'd see advertised in spam.

      http://www.answers.com/topic/synthetic-ruby

      The "ruby market" was tanked (at least the first time) in 1885.

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    9. Re:Al2O3 is transparent by ChefInnocent · · Score: 1

      There was a link below that lead me to this: Flame Fusion, also called the Verneuil Process. You might want to look it up to further your research.

    10. Re:Al2O3 is transparent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone is suggesting mixing chemicals and burning stuff in acid as the recipe for making gems. And I'm not sure if he is joking around. Only on Slashdot.

    11. Re:Al2O3 is transparent by sifur · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the step about sticking the whole mess in the microwave for awhile! Can't wait to try this one at home. :-)

    12. Re:Al2O3 is transparent by Vexar · · Score: 1

      And to take this line a step further: electrically conductive and useful for fiber optics, perhaps? Talk about signal density.

    13. Re:Al2O3 is transparent by Sarreq+Teryx · · Score: 1

      there is a model of LCD computer monitor with an AlON surface. a website tested it's durability using a crossbow at close range, and all that happened was that the AlON surface dented a little. plenty tough for me.

    14. Re:Al2O3 is transparent by Sarreq+Teryx · · Score: 1

      aluminum oxide is non-conductive, so that's a no. fiberoptics, I've no clue about

  12. "Transparent" by oldhack · · Score: 1

    Only at certain UV spectrum, according to the article.

    It notes "core electrons" have been knocked out. I assume it's certain non-valent inner electron? Any one(s) in particular?

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    1. Re:"Transparent" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That red one, to the left of the nucleus.

    2. Re:"Transparent" by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Only at certain UV spectrum, according to the article.

      Indeed, most "transparent" materials (glass, for instance) are only transparent to certain wavelengths. Is there a reason you felt the need to include quotes around "transparent" while noting this common feature of all transparent materials?

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    3. Re:"Transparent" by oldhack · · Score: 1

      Cuz transparency implies visible spectrum or good part of it I'd guess. You're welcome.

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  13. Oxford by fprintf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Since the researchers are at Oxford, shouldn't the new material be "Aluminium"?

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    1. Re:Oxford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah. They spell "Aluminum" wrong in Europe. I know they think that is the correct spelling for their region, but the fact remains it is just wrong, and they are wrong for thinking it is right.

      So it is still "Aluminum," even though the researchers were at Oxford. And, presumably, Oxford-educated researchers would know how to spell anyway.

    2. Re:Oxford by sbeckstead · · Score: 1

      More like Aluminimum.

    3. Re:Oxford by pankkake · · Score: 1

      And if it was former students of Oxford it could have been Alumninum.

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    4. Re:Oxford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The i is transparent.

    5. Re:Oxford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You joke, but in TFA... It actually is aluminium.

      (PhysOrg.com) -- Oxford scientists have created a transparent form of aluminium by bombarding the metal with the worldâ(TM)s most powerful soft X-ray laser. 'Transparent aluminium' previously only existed in science fiction, featuring in the movie Star Trek IV, but the real material is an exotic new state of matter with implications for planetary science and nuclear fusion.

    6. Re:Oxford by Major_Sarcasm · · Score: 1
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    7. Re:Oxford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is 'aluminium' in TFA just not in the TFS.

    8. Re:Oxford by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

      Because they intend to go on to produce transparent Zirconum, and Titanum.

  14. How many times... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have you wondered if that soda can over there is empty or full?

    1. Re:How many times... by furby076 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Have you wondered if that soda can over there is empty or full?

      Or has a cigarette butt in it?

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    2. Re:How many times... by SBrach · · Score: 1

      or a severed thumb.

    3. Re:How many times... by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Have you wondered if that soda can over there is empty or full?

      A funny story that might not have happened if transparent cans (or plastic bottles) had been in use:

      We were just shooting the breeze in front of the Arts building one day, and one of my friends set down his open can of Pepsi directly in the shade of a trash can. Nobody paid much attention to the bees in said trash can. He picked up the can about 10 minutes later and took a swig, and immediately spit out a mouthful of bees. Somehow he managed not to get stung.

      That said, I don't really see how transparent aluminum would be cost-effective for something as mundane as a can, when transparent bottles are already cheap and effective. Even if plastics prove to be too unstable for food-grade storage, we always have glass.

      Mal-2

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  15. Adjectives and YOU! by Alzheimers · · Score: 4, Funny

    world's most powerful soft X-ray laser.

    Really, unless you're talking about bathroom tissue, you really shouldn't use the term "World's most powerful" and "Soft" together.

    1. Re:Adjectives and YOU! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Soft refers to frequency.
      Powerful refers to power.

      As it turns out, I can toast you with microwave radiation, or use UV so weak I can power visible light for lamps from it.

    2. Re:Adjectives and YOU! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is also hard x-ray that penetrates fruther then a soft x-ray.

    3. Re:Adjectives and YOU! by joe_frisch · · Score: 1

      We had to call LCLS the first "hard X-ray laser", so they have to call FLASH the first "soft" X-ray laser. Basically Soft X-rays are lower energy (maybe below 1 kV (I'm not sure where the boundry is), hard X-rays are above that. Otherwise it is a very interesting science experiment for understanding exotic states of matter, but isn't likely to lead to transparent structural materials.

  16. Repost? by Fry-kun · · Score: 2, Informative
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    1. Re:Repost? by Shatrat · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because Aluminum is an element, Alumina is a compound.
      The previous story was about a ceramic, this seems to be more of a particle physics experiment which yielded something neat for 40 femtoseconds.

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    2. Re:Repost? by Fry-kun · · Score: 1

      I see it now that I finally got through to TFA :)

      Cool physics experiment, indeed

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    3. Re:Repost? by sbeckstead · · Score: 1

      Chemically

    4. Re:Repost? by Nautical+Insanity · · Score: 1

      The summary and title are incredibly misleading. The fascinating thing about this is not that they turned aluminum into a transparent state. Rather, they were able to use x-rays to remove a core electron from the Aluminum without (I presume) altering its valent electron states or its crystal structure. Practical applications seem far-off though. The state only lasted a few femtoseconds.

    5. Re:Repost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you know that "FTW" ("for the win") is a direct translation of "Sieg Heil"?

      Did you know that poster is a moron?

    6. Re:Repost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, he's actually correct.

      Seig = siege
      Heil = healing, good, unscathed, entire

  17. FTA by R2.0 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "In this week's Nature Physics an international team, led by Oxford University scientists, report that a short pulse from the FLASH laser 'knocked out' a core electron from every aluminium atom in a sample without disrupting the metal's crystalline structure. This turned the aluminium nearly invisible to extreme ultraviolet radiation.

    The last time I checked, the colloquail definition of "transparent" means "passes visible light".Glad to know those scientists can see in the UV range - sounds like evolution is moving apace.

    ''What we have created is a completely new state of matter nobody has seen before,'"

    How is this statement justified? So far, all I hear is "I pissed on a rock and it turned to mud - it's a new state of matter!"

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    1. Re:FTA by furby076 · · Score: 1

      ''What we have created is a completely new state of matter nobody has seen before,'"

      How is this statement justified? So far, all I hear is "I pissed on a rock and it turned to mud - it's a new state of matter!"

      Actually. if you think about their statement "created...new state of matter nobody has seen before"...give it's in the ultraviolet spectrum, and in that spectrum it is invisible...nobody has yet to see it.

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    2. Re:FTA by KingPin27 · · Score: 1

      'What we have created is a completely new state of matter nobody has seen before

      Apparently with the need of Extreme UV to make it transparent I doubt that it'll be any time soon that anyone will SEE IT!

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    3. Re:FTA by sbeckstead · · Score: 1

      Actually the definition of transparent means your mother used to be your father.

    4. Re:FTA by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      The last time I checked, the colloquail definition...

      See, this is where you fail. Colloquail definitions and scientific terms by no means always mix.

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    5. Re:FTA by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      The last time I checked, the colloquail definition of "transparent" means "passes visible light".Glad to know those scientists can see in the UV range - sounds like evolution is moving apace.

      Most scientists use words in a way that's congruent to their actual meaning, not to how they are commonly misunderstood and misused by the uneducated.

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    6. Re:FTA by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      But since the blurg was referenced here on Slashdot, the colloquial meaning is the one that matters to this forum, no?

      Actually, the fail is that I misspelled "colloquial" - and you repeated it.

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    7. Re:FTA by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      "Blurg". Oh, the meta-irony.

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    8. Re:FTA by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      Surely not. The blurb is a blurb of scientific content and as this is a site is "news for nerds" it's appropriate to use the scientific meaning in context. Transparency in this case should be well understood to be applicable for any wavelength, not just visible light. This is particularly true since there have been numerous articles in the past about "invisibility cloak" meta-materials that, in reality, only cloak objects in certain (nonvisible) wavelengths such as microwaves.

      Also, I wasn't sure how to spell "colloquial" so I just copypasted it from your comment ;)

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    9. Re:FTA by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      You are correct, and the wording is STILL wrong. Per Websters:

      1 a (1): having the property of transmitting light without appreciable scattering so that bodies lying beyond are seen clearly : pellucid (2): allowing the passage of a specified form of radiation (as X-rays or ultraviolet light) b: fine or sheer enough to be seen through : diaphanous

      So, the primary and tertiary definitions are defined, specifically, by the ability to SEE the transmitted radiation. In order for the second definition to be used, a modifier describing the radiation should have been used to avoid confusion.

      Lets be realistic here - the blurb didn't omit "to far UV radiation" in order to save space; it's because "Transparent Aluminum" catches the eye (and clicks) a lot better.

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  18. Old news by raynet · · Score: 1

    Just heat aluminium to 2500+ÂC and it becomes transparent.

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    1. Re:Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just heat aluminium to 2500+ÂC and it becomes transparent.

      Try using "o" instead of the character for degrees: 2500oC
      Works with character representation technology from the 1960s.

    2. Re:Old news by dollar99 · · Score: 1

      I guess this stuff is different from the transparent aluminum I've been hearing about for years.

    3. Re:Old news by Sarreq+Teryx · · Score: 1

      meanwhile, why the site programmers are unable to grasp Unicode properly is mind-boggling

  19. synchrotron by neonprimetime · · Score: 1

    The discovery was made possible with the development of a new source of radiation that is ten billion times brighter than any synchrotron in the world

    A synchrotron is a particular type of cyclic particle accelerator in which the magnetic field (to turn the particles so they circulate) and the electric field (to accelerate the particles) are carefully synchronized with the travelling particle beam.

  20. Before jumping to conclusions, read the article by Nautical+Insanity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This does not mean this process can be used to make transparent armor or other applications for super-strong glass. The article states that the x-rays wereï focused to a spot with a diameter smaller than a human hair's, the aluminum was transparent to ultraviolet, and the state lasted 40 femtoseconds. Details left out of the summary.

    Nonetheless, this is incredibly cool. The new state of matter that is being boasted about is one where a non-valent electron is removed from atoms. Very cool.

    1. Re:Before jumping to conclusions, read the article by Nautical+Insanity · · Score: 1

      The article was pretty vague about how this applies to planetary cores and fusion though. I'm assuming that they believe high pressures inside planets can remove core electrons. As for fusion, I assume that they refer to the method where lasers are used to induce the reaction. In which case knowing that this happens and is effects is most likely crucial to the success of such a method of fusion generation.

      For the record, I am not a nuclear physicist. Are there any /.ers with expertise who can shed more light on how this affects fusion?

  21. pr0n by syntap · · Score: 1

    There has got to be a use somewhere... boots, S&M wear, something...

  22. this is proof by prgrmr · · Score: 5, Informative

    That the slashdot editors do not RTFA either.

    1. Re:this is proof by MadLad · · Score: 1

      Parent is so concise and accurate that it deserves +6.

    2. Re:this is proof by prgrmr · · Score: 1

      To be fair, it's timothy, so it ought not to be a surprise by now.

    3. Re:this is proof by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Gee, and here I was beginning to think we'd never find any.

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  23. meh by bigattichouse · · Score: 1

    Typical. ( http://www.twine.com/item/12ghl089r-cv/transparent-aluminium-is-new-state-of-matter ) Make it sound all cool for they layman, but then qualify it with "This turned the aluminium nearly invisible to extreme ultraviolet radiation. " - so, transparent - sorta. Still cool and all, but you won't be savin' no whales any time soon.

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    1. Re:meh by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      To dogpile on the wabbit, the /. summary also fails to mention that the aluminum that it only stayed transparent for about 40 femtoseconds, and the focal point was about 1/20 the width of a human hair (implies the piece of aluminum turned transparent was that small, although that's unclear from TFA). Nothing to see here, folks. Move along, move along.

    2. Re:meh by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      To dogpile on the wabbit, the /. summary also fails to mention that the aluminum that it only stayed transparent for about 40 femtoseconds, and the focal point was about 1/20 the width of a human hair (implies the piece of aluminum turned transparent was that small, although that's unclear from TFA). Nothing to see here, folks. Move along, move along.

      It's funny that we get a "nothing to see here" to something that's far, far cooler, more revolutionary, and has broader scientific implications than what apparently the reader here was expecting/hoping for.

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    3. Re:meh by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      That's exactly why I said "nothing to see here." A bunch of scientific implication but no practical application. I'd love a fishing boat with a transparent aluminum hull, for example. The fact that you can hit a tiny piece of aluminum with a huge amount of power and making it turn transparent to high-energy UV for 40 femtoseconds. Sure, that's a neat trick and all, but it any real-world application stemming from it will not come in my lifetime, and maybe not in the lifetimes of my children, if ever. I'm not into theory for the sake of theory, I'm into how it can be used to solve real-world problems today.

    4. Re:meh by Beelzebud · · Score: 1

      Well you have to START somewhere... I know instant gratification is what everyone likes, but science isn't the fast food drive-up window...

  24. Transparant metal by furby076 · · Score: 1

    Straight from star trek.

    This would be amazing in military applications and other defense applications. Watching the movie The Hurt Locker last night one of the guys (in the hum-v) was manning the machine gun. The top 1/3 of his body is exposed on the top of the hum-v which makes him prime pickings for incoming fire. If I was him I would want some defensive there - even very thick plexiglass (lined with metal wires)...given that is not available, this could do the trick. It may not block everything but make it thick enough and it can block out most bullets.

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    1. Re:Transparant metal by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 1

      Or, you know, instead of exotic material solutions, we could simply build a remote control rig in the vehicle. Why add weight and high costs (soft X-Ray treatment,sound expensive!) to the vehicle? Let the soldier direct the gun from the inside the safety of the vehicle with a hardwired joystick and some cameras.

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    2. Re:Transparant metal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watch less TV and read more articles and maybe you'll finally get a clue.

    3. Re:Transparant metal by Satanboy · · Score: 1

      they already do this in some vehicles but it's not practical in all applications.

    4. Re:Transparant metal by furby076 · · Score: 1

      While i am down for technology control - i have to say seeing something on a tv screen is not as good as seeing it from your own eyes. Plus if that technology breaks you are screwed though if you die you are more screwed...

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  25. No, they didn't make transparent aluminum. by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    short pulse from the FLASH laser 'knocked out' a core electron from every aluminum atom in a sample without disrupting the metal's crystalline structure. This turned the aluminum nearly invisible to extreme ultraviolet radiation.
    ..."Whilst the invisible effect lasted for only an extremely brief period - an estimated 40 femtoseconds..."

    OK. so they took a really powerful soft X-ray pulse source and hammered an electron out of most of the atoms in a sample of aluminum. In 40 femtoseconds (!) the electrons were replaced, but for a brief period, the material would pass "extreme ultraviolet radiation". This isn't a "new material"; it's an old material in a very transient state. They were able to do this without blasting the aluminum apart, which is the new result. On the other hand, metals can be forced into electron-deprived states without too much trouble. Ordinary vacuum tubes do this.

    The terminology here is puzzling. "Extreme ultraviolet radiation" and "soft X-rays" are in the same part of the spectrum. Does this mean that after being zapped with the giant X-ray pulse, some of the soft X-rays made it through? Or did they have two different illumination sources?

    Also see "Extreme Ultraviolet Radiation Transport in Laser-Irradiated High-Z Metal Foils", from 1981, where someone seems to have come close to the same phenomenon.

    1. Re:No, they didn't make transparent aluminum. by kpainter · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wonder if I can replace my GE "soft-white" light bulbs with GE "soft X-ray" bulbs? Could be cool.

    2. Re:No, they didn't make transparent aluminum. by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > On the other hand, metals can be forced into electron-deprived states without too much
      > trouble. Ordinary vacuum tubes do this.

      Ordinary vacuum tubes do not remove electrons from inner orbitals. They just knock the valence electrons off. This process removes inner electrons without disturbing the outer ones.

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    3. Re:No, they didn't make transparent aluminum. by N1ck0 · · Score: 1

      It sounds like they just used the flash laser to blast the sample with a massive amount of energy floating around 10nm. Then for 40 femtoseconds they blasted enough of the electrons out of the way that a few of the longer waves passed through. Still cool, but not as cool as it first sounds.

    4. Re:No, they didn't make transparent aluminum. by bughunter · · Score: 2, Funny

      It doesn't say, but the FLASH laser is a free-electron laser, which as I understand it is continuously tunable, see here. The FLASH wikipedia page says it it is tunable from 10 to 200 nm, which includes both SX and EUV parts of the spectrum.

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    5. Re:No, they didn't make transparent aluminum. by Animats · · Score: 1

      Ordinary vacuum tubes do not remove electrons from inner orbitals. They just knock the valence electrons off. This process removes inner electrons without disturbing the outer ones.

      Good point. That is a strange state in which to put an atom. If it was stable, that would be a major result. For 40 femtoseconds, no. What happens after that? Do the outer electrons migrate to the inner orbitals, or what?

    6. Re:No, they didn't make transparent aluminum. by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Summary of the parent comment: "I didn't understand the article, failed to understand what was different about what occurred, therefore, it follows that the article is gibberish and nothing different occurred." (Certainly it isn't possible that I missed something, right?)

      Hint: If you think what they accomplished is anything at all like what "ordinary vacuum tubes" do, you've utterly misunderstood what occurred.

      Why do /. users assume research physicists have a shallower understanding of physics than they do? Any time a /. user fails to grasp the intricacies of something, do they say, "wow, that's beyond me?" No, they say, "hey, that doesn't jive with my more limited understanding -- the scientists are obviously making shit up."

      If you discover a way to reverse gravity fields, thousands of /. users will point out that it's been done a million times before and post links to articles about blimps and hovercraft. "Nothing new here..."

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    7. Re:No, they didn't make transparent aluminum. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original article in Nature Physics doesn't mention extreme UV. There is only one "soft X-ray beam". When a beam with a sufficient flux passes the film the absorption goes very low. This should occur because one core electron from (almost) every aluminum is excited to higher energy. Also beam energy is low enough not to excite another electron from the same shell. There is now a period of time (about 40 fs) when the absorption is low and this is the transparency mentioned. The material is now highly ionized resembling somewhat of silicon: aluminum nucleus plus core hole looks like silicon nucleus, and there is also the same number of valence electrons as in silicon.

      After this time the core holes will start to get filled by electrons via Auger process where the energy released when one electron drops down in energy is transferred to another electron going higher in energy. This is when the electrons become heated, although the nuclei are still pretty much in their original positions. They call this state "warm dense matter", which should have something to do with astrophysics.

  26. Ugg - /. Summaries! Yuck. by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 1, Redundant

    1. It's not invisible to the naked eye - only to "extreme ultraviolet radiation"
    2. It's not anything like what was described in Star Trek
    3. It's only "invisible" for milliseconds.

    Neat stuff for physicists, but not for anyone else, at the moment, as far as I can tell.

  27. there is a LOLTREK for this already: by kulakovich · · Score: 1
  28. Could become source of unlimited lens flares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This material could be used in the generation of a nearly limitless source of lens flares. An important part of the future of the star trek universe.

  29. But where is it? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    I don't care what it's made of. All I want to know is where this new state is located.

    1. Re:But where is it? by sbeckstead · · Score: 1

      Just west of confusion and a little north of decay!

    2. Re:But where is it? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I don't care where it's located, I just want to swap it for Florida.

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  30. It didn't need to be transparent!!! by starglider29a · · Score: 1

    The only reason that the aluminum needed to be 'transparent' was so that the camera could show that 'there be whales here.' I'm sure the whales didn't care. All they got was a view of the inside of a Klingon Bird of Prey. Yay. :-|

    1. Re:It didn't need to be transparent!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you were a whale who had spent most of your time either in the ocean, or looking at tourists in seaworld, I'm sure you would be pleased to see the inside of an alien starship. Whales after all are intelligent creatures.

      But yeah it would have beenmore sensible plot to have just a plain aluminium (or steel) tank, that way there is less disruption to the timeline.

    2. Re:It didn't need to be transparent!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I thought the walls were made of plexiglass, and that Scotty gave the formula for transparent aluminum as payment. There is a quick conversation between Scotty and the rep about material strength, thickness, and that the glass they needed was in stock. The rep said it would take years to figure out the new formula, I doubt they made it right away.

    3. Re:It didn't need to be transparent!!! by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Actually, it should be noted that they used plexiglass inside the Klingon ship for the whale tank, not transparent aluminum. They got the plexiglass with no money by giving the owner of the company the formula for transparent aluminum, but they didn't wait for the years he said it would take him to make it into a practical product.

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  31. Hilarity ensues! by Scragglykat · · Score: 1

    Just wait until all the videos of people walking into plate glass get replaced by this... magnificent! In other news, a group of amazon women have requested a shipment of jet aircraft grade transparent aluminum...

    1. Re:Hilarity ensues! by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 1

      As seen on TV! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1ABQuctDOQ Medical operators are standing by!!!

  32. Flash laser? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    In this week's Nature Physics an international team, led by Oxford University scientists, report that a short pulse from the FLASH laser 'knocked out' a core electron from every aluminium atom in a sample without disrupting the metal's crystalline structure.

    First we get a story about green lasers. Then something about security problems with Flash.

    And now a story about a FLASH LASER?

    Is that a huge coincidence or what?

    1. Re:Flash laser? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      No coincidence. Comic Con 2009 ended last Sunday. I look forward to stories about green arrows made from 100% recycled material, and of course this guy

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  33. Alimunum Oxynitride by rally2xs · · Score: 1

    Transparant aluminum == aluminum oxynitride. Been around for decades.

    http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123012131

      Finally under test about 4 years ago at WPAFB. Was discussing it at counter-IED deployment I did in Baghdad a couple years ago, as window armor for MRAPS, JEERVS, and HMMWVs, but the stuff is wickedly expensive.

    1. Re:Alimunum Oxynitride by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      Longer than that. Transparent aluminum = aluminum oxide. Al(2) 0(3). AKA corundum, aka sapphires / rubies (depending on the impurities). We've had artifical versions since 1836.

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    2. Re:Alimunum Oxynitride by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Transparant aluminum == aluminum oxynitride.

      ...

      Aluminum (transparent or otherwise) != aluminum oxynitride. Leaded glass is also not "transparent lead". "X contains Y" does not mean "X is Y".

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  34. Not a Repost by Somegeek · · Score: 1

    Two different technologies to create two different materials that happen to share the same description. The 2004 story you linked to is about a product that is in production, with real world tangible benefits, and is actually transparent in the visual spectrum. The one in the current story can't claim any of that.

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  35. connection Interrupted by barry_allen · · Score: 1

    i can't view the article. physorg's server is overloaded with people or it's down.

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  36. Article wrong, we already had transparent aluminum by gurps_npc · · Score: 1, Informative
    Typically, it is an oxide, called corundum (AL2O3). It exists naturally, although is rare and therefore expensive.

    If it has blue impurities, we call it a sapphire. Red impurities we call it a ruby.

    Morevoer, we know how to make artificial rubies and sapphires, so this is not even the first man made transparent aluminum.

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  37. How many times now? by mseeger · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hi,

    please tell me: How many time has transparent aluminium been discovered by now?
    I think about five to six times... E.g. in 2005

    Please don't wake me up the next time someone discovers it :-).

    CU, Martin

    1. Re:How many times now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aluminum is not the same as alumina (aluminum oxide).

  38. What a day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First green lazer and now Transparent Aluminum. I better start building my D'deridex-class Warbird right away!

  39. Star Trek fans will not be pleased by sdjc · · Score: 2, Funny

    In breaking with Star Trek Canon, we discovered this before the whales went extinct.

    1. Re:Star Trek fans will not be pleased by sn0wcrash · · Score: 1

      No worries. With the new Star Trek we can now assume we are in the alternate reality. So, canon need not apply.

    2. Re:Star Trek fans will not be pleased by catbertscousin · · Score: 1

      In breaking with Star Trek Canon, we discovered this before the whales went extinct.

      Well of course we did. You just haven't seen the articles about the strange group touring the lab right before they discovered it or the mysterious disappearance of two humpback whales right in front of a whaling ship (they blamed the events on PETA's new prototype). PETA, on their side, insists they do not have a large aircraft capable of cloaking and uncloaking out protecting whales.

      This fits just fine with the Canon.

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  40. Isn't this true of every new material by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 0

    the real material is an exotic new state of matter with implications for planetary science and nuclear fusion.

    Isn't true of every "new" material?

    Oh wait, I forgot superconductivity.

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  41. Re:No, they didn't make transparent aluminum.EXIST by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    Ordinary vacuum tubes do this.

    Do "ordinary vacuum" tubes even exist any more?

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  42. Anything is transparent... by Excelcia · · Score: 1

    They focused light of equivalent power of a city power plant down to 1/20 the width of a hair in a pulse a femtosecond long and they are surprised the light went through their target. I'd be transparent too at that light level.

    1. Re:Anything is transparent... by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      "They focused light of equivalent power of a city power plant down to 1/20 the width of a hair in a pulse a femtosecond long and they are surprised the light went through their target. I'd be transparent too at that light level."

      Also dead, but yes, probably transparent as well.

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  43. That's why Star Wars is better! by PRMan · · Score: 1

    That's why Star Wars is better. Transparisteel!

    Transparent aluminum. Bah! Might as well use plexiglass. That's Star Trek for you...

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    1. Re:That's why Star Wars is better! by Rick17JJ · · Score: 1

      Why did they even need transparent aluminum for the aquarium they were building? Did they actually need clear walls for such a short flight. It seems to me that ordinary aluminum would have been good enough.

      To see how the whales were doing, they could have just put one very small clear acrylic window or clear polycarbonate window in the top of the tank. Another alternative would have been to mount a small inexpensive security camera, inside a waterproof enclosure, inside the tank and eliminate the window altogether.

    2. Re:That's why Star Wars is better! by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      Since when did anyone in Star Trek use a simple, obvious, common-sense solution to their problems?

      As exhibit A, Your Honor, I present the entire series of Star Trek: Voyager, in which the crew deliberately ignores the obvious get-home-quick solutions in virtually every episode.

      (I like Voyager a lot, but the tendency of the crew to ignore the obvious is really annoying.)

    3. Re:That's why Star Wars is better! by Knara · · Score: 1

      Because they needed an engineering challenge for the rest of the crew to overcome while waiting for Spock and Kirk to find some whales :)

    4. Re:That's why Star Wars is better! by witherstaff · · Score: 1

      having watched ST 4 not that long ago - been going through the old sci fi movies with the nephew - they didn't use transparent aluminum. Scotty gave the company the design for the aluminum in exchange for a lot of thick plexiglass, which sulu delivered by helicopter.

    5. Re:That's why Star Wars is better! by Sebilrazen · · Score: 1

      having watched ST 4 not that long ago - been going through the old sci fi movies with the nephew - they didn't use transparent aluminum. Scotty gave the company the design for the aluminum in exchange for a lot of thick plexiglass, which sulu delivered by helicopter.

      Finally, a real geek, I was losing hope.

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    6. Re:That's why Star Wars is better! by heironymous · · Score: 1

      I don't think i was the transparency of the material that made it desirable. Scotty needed something thin and transportable that still had the strength to hold back all that water. Remember the 20th century engineer would have needed much thicker material.

  44. Cat's Cradle by way2slo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sounds cool, just as long as we don't accidentally create ice-nine while making these "new states of matter".

  45. But why aluminum? by Theovon · · Score: 0

    We like to attribute scientific foresight to sci-fi. And indeed, sci-fi has been the inspiration for many a scientist or engineer. Star Trek writers probably picked aluminum because of its high strength and low density. But unless there was some kind of prior scientific advancement that they knew about, the choice of aluminum amounted to little more than a convenient plot device. It doesn't seem implausible to me that it would foreshadow the development of SOME kind of metal or other non-SiO2 material that's light, strong, and transparent. But not necessarily aluminum.

  46. Missing an important point. by Minwee · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The real material is an exotic new state of matter with implications for planetary science and nuclear fusion."

    To say nothing of whale transport.

  47. Simpsons logic: by d4nowar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I always thought you could make any form of matter invisible by rubbing something sufficiently greasy on it.

  48. Re:Article wrong, we already had transparent alumi by avandesande · · Score: 1

    Aluminum is a metal, alumina is a ceramic. What you are suggesting is like calling water 'oxygen'.

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  49. Example by scorp1us · · Score: 1

    You can find an example of this material here

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  50. Re: TFA by The+Rizz · · Score: 3, Informative

    The last time I checked, the colloquail definition of "transparent" means "passes visible light".Glad to know those scientists can see in the UV range - sounds like evolution is moving apace.

    UV light borders the "visible light" spectrum (much like IR light does), and any material that blocks one of those ranges almost always blocks the others. Transparency in a normally non-transparent material in any one of these ranges is important for 3 reasons:

    1. The general "visible light spectrum" term is based on the average human eye. Some animals see into the UV or IR. We can also make cameras that can pick up in the UV/IR ranges. A state of UV-only transparency would have many applications that this could be used for:
      • The obvious one is use in the security/spying industry. Place a UV camera behind something like this - nobody can see the camera, and might not have any idea it's even there if the material flows naturally into the design of the walls/whatever.
      • There are excellent applications for military/safety - a one-way mirror, without the mirror, mixed with bulletproof glass? Modify some of the IR night-vision goggles to see UV instead, and you've got the perfect windows for tanks and other armored vehicles, shield walls for riot police, etc. Or mix cameras and projectors to display an overlay of what's happening on the other side of a wall - this would be excellent for military checkpoints, prisons, etc.
    2. If we find ways of making a material transparent to one range, we are that much closer to expanding it to make the other ranges transparent, as well as figuring out how to make other materials transparent - and those might be transparent to the "visible light" spectrum as well.
    3. If we can adapt this and find different materials that become transparent only to certain ranges of light, the uses start to increase greatly. There would be applications for everything from sculpture to architecture to gardening to sunbathing.
  51. Help for Mac Nazis by bizitch · · Score: 1

    everytime a Mac nazi asks me for help with his Mac - i pick up the mouse and say "hello computer .... hello...."

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  52. I'm surprised this isn't tagged Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm looking forward to my transparent unibody Macbook Pro.

  53. Re:Article wrong, we already had transparent alumi by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

    No, actually. If it has red impurities it's a ruby. Otherwise, no matter what the color, it's a sapphire.

  54. Re:No, they didn't make transparent aluminum.EXIST by vlm · · Score: 1

    Ordinary vacuum tubes do this.

    Do "ordinary vacuum" tubes even exist any more?

    http://www.rfparts.com/tubetran.html

    Generally speaking, for RF purposes, like AM band up to high radar frequencies, at power levels above a couple hundred watts, its cheaper to use a vacuum tube than a transistor. Generally in the vaguely multi-kilowatt range, tubes cost about 50 cents per watt, transistors cost about $1 per watt.

    They are quite tolerant of modest overloads.

    Replacement labor costs and even device costs are simply not an issue... Consider a typical tenth megawatt class TV station, at best 25% electrical efficiency, looking at maybe 4 cents per KWH contracted electrical price, you're looking at $16000 per hour of electricity... The station engineer simply doesn't cost very much compared to the electricity.

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  55. BBQ implications by WML+MUNSON · · Score: 3, Funny

    Holy shit! This is fantastic!

    I can now see what the status of my tinfoil wrapped dinner is without unwrapping it for a status check!

    Hallelujah!

  56. Why I do remember crap like this? by Allicorn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dupe!

    "Transparent Aluminum a Reality!"
    http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/18/0337213

    From Tuesday October 18 2005.

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    1. Re:Why I do remember crap like this? by merreborn · · Score: 1

      Even better, that thread points to two even older transparent aluminum headlines from 2004 and 2002.

    2. Re:Why I do remember crap like this? by Allicorn · · Score: 1

      Hoho :-)

      Has the news of the actual invention of transparent aluminum been sent on a repeating slingshot around the sun?

      I sense there's gotta be something hyperbolic in here somewhere - possibly just the story coverage.

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  57. Right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't believe it until I see it.

  58. Mac by Weedhopper · · Score: 1

    Duh.

  59. Is it enough? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just want to know if 40 femtoseconds is enough to see what's in that foil package in the refrigerator?

  60. "Transparent"?! by The_Duck271 · · Score: 1

    Man, talk about excess hype: the aluminum passes extreme UV radiation, for 40 femtoseconds. Calling this "transparent" is one of the bigger exaggerations I've heard recently.

  61. Re:Article wrong, we already had transparent alumi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, the article discusses pure, solid aluminum, not its oxide with or without impurities.

  62. Re:Ugg - /. Summaries! Yuck. by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

    3. It's only "invisible" for milliseconds.

    If you are going to complain about slashdot summaries, you should strive to improve upon them. Its transparent to extreme UV for an estimated 40 femtoseconds. That is, if it was actually transparent for a year, milliseconds would have been a more appropriate unit than they are for the actual time for which it is transparent. (1 year ~= 3E10 ms, 40 fs = 4E-11 ms)

  63. Re:Ugg - /. Summaries! Yuck. by osu-neko · · Score: 1

    (1) Nothing in the title or summary makes any claims about what wavelength the material is transparent to.
    (2) While mentioning Star Trek, also talks about the "real material" as if it were a different thing.
    (3) Nothing in the title or summary makes any claims about how long the material lasts.

    In short (and unlike some examples), the summary is perfectly accurate. However, the reading comprehension of a lot of /. readers is not, having a tendency to "read into" them things that aren't actually there (then blaming /. editors when the actual article doesn't say what they mistakenly read the summary as saying).

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  64. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sea World reports 2 of their whales are missing

  65. Re:Ugg - /. Summaries! Yuck. by not-my-real-name · · Score: 1

    Neat stuff for physicists, but not for anyone else, at the moment, as far as I can tell.

    Aren't physicists nerds?

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  66. She looked opaque in the series. by jd · · Score: 1

    All irregularities will be handled by the forces controlling each dimension. Transuranic, heavy elements may not be used where there is life. Medium atomic weights are available: Gold, Lead, Copper, Jet, Diamond, Radium, Sapphire, Silver and Steel. Sapphire and Steel have been assigned.

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  67. Sapphire by CokeJunky · · Score: 1

    I just wanted to point out that while they are not pure aluminum, Sapphire, ruby, and several other transparent or nearly transparent gem stones are crystals made up of aluminum oxide -- colors are caused by natural or synthetic doping with trace elements. Chances are, if you have an expensive analog watch, you probably have a piece of 'transparent aluminum' ensuring your time piece is readable and does not get scratched easily.

    I have a real problem with getting too excited over this article, and clearly the people who did the work are playing on star trek's popularity to garner more media attention than is really warranted.

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  68. Re:This is a great breakthrough... Use on politici by davidsyes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ans...

    Then, change the summary line "New State of FECAL Matter", after burning their asses up with that frickin' LASER....

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  69. Re:Ugg - /. Summaries! Yuck. by Beelzebud · · Score: 1

    It's really amazing the lack of curiosity, or value of scientific knowledge that is on display around here.
    Anti-intellectualism is on the rise, unfortunately.

  70. Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After reading that article I cared for approximately 40 femtoseconds. Wake me up when I can order this with my Macbook Pro.

  71. Transparent Aluminum Boats. by DrPeper · · Score: 1

    I hereby claim patent pre-existing art for the following idea of transparent aluminum boats. Mostly because I want a transparent aluminum bass fishing boat. You could see what was in your live well without opening it up. You could see how much beer was left in the built in cooler. Oh and you could see a leak right away. You could see what was underneath the boat, and you could light the whole thing up with LEDs for night fishing. Now how cool would that be??

    Since WonderWoman had an invisible plane, Aquaman should have had a Transparent Aluminum boat.

  72. Re:Ugg - /. Summaries! Yuck. by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 1

    Good point. Mistype.

  73. Not only that... by sean.peters · · Score: 1

    Not only does the "transparency" only last for 40 femtoseconds (!), but it's only transparent in the extreme ultraviolet. So don't go dusting off your plans for whale tanks yet.

  74. Re:Ugg - /. Summaries! Yuck. by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 1

    1. No kidding. However, the transparent aluminum in Star Trek was invisible to the naked eye. Reading comprehension? Understanding implication? You fail.
    2. Wrong - it says, and I quote "'Transparent aluminum' previously only existed in science fiction, featuring in the movie Star Trek IV,". Reading comprehension? You fail.
    3. Of course it does. It talks about a material that is similar, if not the same, as in Star Trek. That material didn't degrade. Reading comprehension? Understanding implication? You fail.

    In short, don't be an ass - it's not worth it. Especially when it's clear to anyone who bothers to read your tripe that you are quite wrong.

    Insulting me for no good reason? You fail.

  75. Re:Article wrong, we already had transparent alumi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    bullshit. corundum is not transparent.
    Aluminium oxynitride is transparent though.

  76. Transient states are all that exist. by j-stroy · · Score: 1

    I don't think anything is static. It depends on the scope one observes. Since time is the most accurately measurable dimension in the universe, we can observe a scope below fempto-seconds and on the high side, a good fraction of the estimated age of the universe.

    Since proportionally, there is more time resolution than there are particles, there is a good likelyhood of more transient states occurring regularly, given the balance and diversity of forces/energy concentrations.

    Things exist as a synergy of dynamic states. It is the stability of the "symbiosis", not the stability of the individual components that gives the impression of steady states. Self sustaining chain reactions are full of transient states, such as fire, fission, or fusion. Exotic transient states are totally relevant when considering the macro scale.

  77. Oh, please. by sean.peters · · Score: 1

    In short (and unlike some examples), the summary is perfectly accurate.

    Yes, and perfectly misleading. The summary deliberately leaves out this relevant information to make the discovery sound more interesting than it is. It's clearly meant to sound like a real-life version of the stuff they used in the Star Trek film, when in fact, this material bears little resemblance to that. Let's not blame the Slashdot readers for being misled, when the author plainly meant to mislead them.

    1. Re:Oh, please. by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 1

      Nicely put.

  78. Transparent Ceramics c.2005 by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

    Air Force testing new transparent armor
    "ALONtm is virtually scratch resistant, offers substantial impact resistance, and provides better durability and protection against armor piercing threats, at roughly half the weight and half the thickness of traditional glass transparent armor", said the lieutenant.

  79. Re:Article wrong, we already had transparent alumi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's not transparent aluminum. That's a transparent compound of aluminum. Calling corundum "transparent aluminum" is like calling salt "edible chlorine".

  80. vs. Permanant transparent Aluminun by celtic_hackr · · Score: 1

    Rather than go to all this expense they could just grow AL2O3 crystal and have permanent "transparent Aluminm". Some chemi-Nazi /.er will now correct me to say that Al203 is "alumina" and not aluminum, to which I will say, alumina is not alumina, but Aluminum oxide, and hence Aluminum, or we could just say white sapphire. Just like Iron oxide is considered "iron", I consider aluminum oxide "aluminum".

    It's just a name, If I want to call white sapphire transparent aluminum, I will since it's nothing but aluminum molecules with a little oxygen added. Of course, it look like they're trying to do something unusual with transparent aluminum to make it transparent to certain wavelengths. Which might have some interesting real world applications. I wonder how good naturally occurring transparent aluminum, I mean white sapphire, is at being transparent to ultraviolet? I imagine the crystal matrix is quite large, but is it large enough to allow significant passage of ultra-violet? I'll bet there are other crystal structures that would fit this bill also.

    The article doesn't state if this is pure aluminum or not, but seems to imply it is. In other words, the X-Ray beam is doing what the oxygen atom does in white sapphire, pulling away the outer electron. So, the interesting conclusion is that a pure Al+ crystal should be transparent, if you could make it and make it stable. Another fine example of man ALMOST re-inventing something that Nature already has done. Way to go guys!

    1. Re:vs. Permanant transparent Aluminun by Alanbly · · Score: 1

      Rather than go to all this expense they could just grow AL2O3 crystal and have permanent "transparent Aluminm". ... Another fine example of man ALMOST re-inventing something that Nature already has done. Way to go guys!

      What you've missed is that without the Oxygen atoms, this is probably WAY more malleable and stronger than a synthetic sapphire. Just a guess but I don't think you can make bullet resistant sapphires (or any crystalline solid, they're way to hard).

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    2. Re:vs. Permanant transparent Aluminun by celtic_hackr · · Score: 1

      What you've missed is that without the Oxygen atoms, this is probably WAY more malleable and stronger than a synthetic sapphire. Just a guess but I don't think you can make bullet resistant sapphires (or any crystalline solid, they're way to hard).

      Hunh? I don't recall discussing hardness or malleability or strength, and what does any of that have to do with transparency?

      But, here let me fix your comment. You meant to say "I don't think you can make bullet resistant sapphires (or any crystalline solid, they're way too brittle)." Hardness (or ductility) does not necessarily coincide with bulletproofness. There are a number of factors that determine hardness and malleability. Among them is the lower strength bond between single crystals in uniform crystalline structures that cause sapphires and diamonds to shatter. But there is a way of building fulerene carbon molecules and compressing them so that they are both hard and not brittle. Hard as in hard as diamonds. It's also possible to grow crystal structures that are very hard and only brittle along one dimension, or non-uniform in crystalline structure, or interspersed crystalline and amorphous structure (as in certain steels), or single crystal structures. If you can control the dimension susceptible to cleavage and fracture, so that it can not be subject to fractioning stress, then it could be bulletproof.

      In closing, you might note, that the Aluminum they showed in the picture in TFA sure looks like synthetic sapphire. Aluminum, is a truly amazing metal. They did an experiment in orbit some years ago, where they manufactured an aluminum bar in very low gravity. During the process of making the aluminum bar, they pumped small air bubbles in it. The aluminum form a honeycomb-like structure that was: stronger, harder, and lighter than any metal made on Earth. I don't know what the ductility was. It was not however malleable. Malleable metals aren't known for strength though, hence the need to work harden metals and annealing to achieve the desired balance. I know of some malleable polymers that are highly strong, but no unworked malleable metals that are.

    3. Re:vs. Permanant transparent Aluminun by repapetilto · · Score: 1

      actually the article said they knocked out a core electron, which is different from what the oxygen atom is doing, also they made something transparent to UV light not visible

  81. Re: TFA by celtic_hackr · · Score: 1

    Yes, but "extreme UV" is all the way down on the end and is ORDERS of MAGNITUDE shorter than plain old generic UV light. Holy craptastic! Talk about selective editing! Oh, wait, I'm on /.

    Sometimes, I forget. ;')

  82. Or ... by celtic_hackr · · Score: 1

    Alternatively you can deprive metals of electrons for 40 femtoseconds by passing an electric current through them. So, the scientists have found a new way to make internal electric currents in metals. BRILLIANT!

    So where can I get my own "most powerful X-Ray laser" so I can generate my own electricity? And when will I be able to make enough electricity to disconnect from the grid? What's the ROI? If you pass current through Aluminum blocks does that make them transparent to extreme UV, as long as the UV beam follows less than 40 femtoseconds behind the current? Enquiring minds want to know. Put it all together in a cylinder and you get a X-Ray-UV Death Gun Turret (patent pending), or XUDeGuT.

  83. I can't believe by geekoid · · Score: 1

    no one has posted about whales or artificial rubies~

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  84. TFA: Transparency please by Vexar · · Score: 1

    I would go so far as to say that the power requirements to bombard the surface like that make it incredibly useless to an engineer. It seems to me, culturally, that the physicists of the world are busy creating the obtuse and no engineers are busy chasing what they have done with applications. I wonder if this technology could be made to construct an invisible jet plane, such as what Wonder Woman flew. So the question I have is (to a chemical / mechanical engineer ) is any of this particle research useful, or is it just fun to read? Superconductors do not seem to be making a dent in my utility bills.

  85. o0 by Sarreq+Teryx · · Score: 1

    if transparent aluminum is "new", what the hell is aluminum oxynitride (AlON)?? this may be a new form of it, we've had transparent aluminum for a few years now, even if it is a ceramic.

    1. Re:o0 by Sarreq+Teryx · · Score: 1

      furthermore:

      "This turned the aluminium nearly invisible to extreme ultraviolet radiation."

      that does not mean visibly transparent, which AlON is

      and also:

      "Whilst the invisible effect lasted for only an extremely brief period - an estimated 40 femtoseconds - it demonstrates that such an exotic state of matter can be created using very high power X-ray sources."

      what use is that to anyone??

      I completely fail why this is even a story.

  86. I'm confused by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

    I definitely don't know enough about particle phsyics but I assume the article meant by "core" electrons, the lowest energy level ones in the closest shell or whatever. So how would they only knock one of those out and leave the rest in higher energy levels and wouldn't one in a higher energy level just emit a photon and then drop down an energy level to replace the missing one? Isn't that basically what happens when you ionize atoms positively? Or did they literally knock off all the electrons in the higher energy levels and also ones nearest to the nucleus? Either way, the article states that it maintained its crystaline structure so it's not a new state of matter, it's still a solid. In fact, it sounds like just really, really ionized aluminum by the description. But then there's the whole "it lasted 40 femtoseconds" thing. And it only was invisible in the ultraviolet spectrum? There's a lot of weird details in that summary.

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  87. For various values of Transparent by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

    From TFA "This turned the aluminium nearly invisible to extreme ultraviolet radiation."

    Sure, what they're doing is really cool, probing new areas of solid state physics, but we're not talking Star Trek here just yet...

  88. other news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'm searching google news for reports of missing whales in san diego...and down-to-earth, cute, blond marine biologist...

  89. Why DID the aluminum have to be transparent? by Feelitmon · · Score: 1

    Nobody has ever been able to answer this question to my satisfaction. Was it so that the audience could see those whales get beamed into the cargo hold? I think they should have just gone with plain old aluminum. No temporal loops to worry about that way...

    1. Re:Why DID the aluminum have to be transparent? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      sad that some neurons in my brain must still be Trekkies, because I can answer that. In the movie, only the formula for transparent aluminum was exchanged by Scotty to Dr. Nichols of Plexicorp for plexiglass 6" thick formed into a whale-aquarium.

    2. Re:Why DID the aluminum have to be transparent? by Desirsar · · Score: 1

      Right, but the question was more "Why did it need to be transparent? Couldn't it just have been made of metal?" Presumably, you'd want to make sure the transporter didn't beam a whale in half, or so the whales could see out and not get freaked out by the fact that they were being transported...

  90. Nice of Them to Catch Up by Dr._Brain_M.D. · · Score: 1

    Eh, I did this for my fifth grade science project. Nice to see the scientific community is finally catching up with my ingenious and groundbreaking work.

  91. I was more impressed... by msobkow · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I was more impressed that the facility just happened to have a molecular modelling tool installed, and that Scotty learned how to use it in seconds. :)

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  92. Re: TFA by cbhacking · · Score: 1

    First off, the article specifies far UV. It's closer to X-ray (which goes through all kinds of things) than it is to visible light. Furthermore, the claim that "any material that blocks one of those ranges almost always blocks the others" is silly. Sunglasses and sunscreen are two examples that block UV quite well but are transparent visibly (in fact, glass falls into that category - UV light bulbs use quartz). Water blocks most IR a lot better than it blocks visible light. CO2 (and all other greenhouse gases, including water vapor) pass visible light but block IR, while ozone blocks UV instead.

    I'm sure there are lots of other examples; those are just off the top of my head. We can see the narrow band of frequencies that we call visible light specifically because they go through the relevant materials - atmospheric gases and water - quite well, so our eyes evolved for them.

    That said, I like the rest of your post (well, I have my concerns about some of the ideas, but I like the thought-provoking aspect). I just wanted to clarify that "close" in the EM spectrum does NOT mean that the transparency and other behavior is consistent across materials or conditions. Heck, any HAM operator has probably experienced cases where a relatively small shift in band (much less than the near multiple of two that visible light spans) will penetrate a material or propagate off off the ionosphere much better.

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  93. Arstechnica discovers nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arstechnica discovers nothing - They only spit back what they read from others at most. Mere "regurgitative reporting", 9/10 times, & nothing more.

  94. Excuse me... by Loomismeister · · Score: 1

    Can someone explain what exactly might qualify a material to be in a new state of matter? What I'm wondering is if they are just trying to attract attention by making wild claims, or if this really is just some new state of matter. Speaking of which, is there a limit to the number of states that we know matter can exist in?

  95. Star Trek IV... Darn Script Writers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've always wondered why the hell they needed at all the Aluminium to be transparent for the whales!!! They went to so much trouble even to change the history of humanity by introducing that new technology before its time and for what? so that the wales could see better the walls of the Enterprise? Why didn't they use simple steel walls? Jaysus! the guy that wrote the script is lucky I am not a Klingon!

  96. Gosh, that sounds useful... by jonadab · · Score: 1

    "I can give you the transparent aluminum, captain, but you'll only have forty femtoseconds to use it."

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  97. Pass them the "New state of matter" swear box... by Richard+Kirk · · Score: 1

    If I had a pound for every new state of matter I read about on Slashdot...

    They have probably taken a blast of 200 eV X-rays (pretty soft for X-rays, but I have used them for flying-spot radiography) and knocked out a K-shell electron. This leaves the atoms in a state where it takes a little time (femtoseconds) for the electrons to get back and to chuck out the energy. This will probably make the atoms look at bit like silicon - the outer shells will 'see' something a lot like a silicon nucleus - one less proton in the nucleus and one less electron in the K-shell more or less cancels out when viewed from the outside. What we have here is an inverted energy level. You have this state inside every laser. Hardly a new state of matter.

    This leads to the cool idea that pumped Aluminium might lase in the UV, and then go reflective, stopping any back-pulse. This sort of thing was considered as an anti-missile 'Star Wars' option. I think they were pumping copper, not aluminium.

  98. Seriously, wasn't this already done? by midifarm · · Score: 1

    About 5 years ago I remember a similar claim by either 3M or NEC about creating actual transparent aluminium. Was I dreaming that I read this on Slashdot years ago?

  99. No they didn't. by chiark · · Score: 1

    They're Oxford scientists. They created transparent aluminium.

  100. so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when do the transparent macbooks come out?

  101. Old news is new! by Life2Death · · Score: 1

    3M had "invented" a form of ceramic aluminum that was transparent like 10 years ago. /. is really starting to suck the big one.

  102. Materials Science and transparent aluminum by phrackwulf · · Score: 1

    Not that anyone is going to read down this far. But what would make transparent aluminum so useful or even transparent steel a neat engineering material would be that you would have something with the formability of aluminum, that then could be heat treated to a certain surface hardness while still remaining transparent. Aluminum oxide and ceramics are all very well and good but the post and the responses kind of miss the point. Speaking as a metallurgist (or former metallurgist now, whatever) that is where the useful engineering properties come in. Etching it to check the heat treat would be very interesting also. I wonder what would happen? Hell, who knows what etchant you would even use? That would be some cool materials science and good luck to whoever, ever manages it. It really would be a new form of matter.

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  103. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the article
    ''What we have created is a completely new state of matter nobody has seen before,â(TM) said Professor Justin Wark of Oxford Universityâ(TM)s Department of Physics, one of the authors of the paper.

    Of course no one has seen it before. IT IS INVISIBLE!

  104. 40 femtoseconds by Oraxis · · Score: 1

    WTF? They made that measurement up! Oh, wait, never mind I looked it up. 40 femtoseconds == 4000 Zepposeconds. Whatever that means I'm sure it's not a very long time, and it only affected "a spot with a diameter less than a twentieth of the width of a human hair", and there's that offhanded reference "nearly invisible to extreme ultraviolet radiation", which all adds up to an incredibly useless product...though I'm sure it's really exciting with all those "lasers" and whatnot.

  105. Only news because of Star Trek by physburn · · Score: 1
    This is only news here, because geek like to remember the funny but dire Star Trek IV. The aluminium stays transparent for fractions of a second, and its only transparent to extreme UV light. Not a brand new construction material. And such laser distorted materials are unlikely ever to be useful.

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