Slashdot Mirror


Playing a First-Person Shooter Using Real Guns

Blake writes "A group called Waterloo Labs rigged up a few accelerometers to a large wall and projected a first-person shooter onto it. Using some math, they can triangulate the position of impacts on the wall, so naturally they found someone with a gun and bought a large case of ammunition. Even cooler, this group usually posts a 'how we did it' video a few weeks after a project's debut, including source code."

44 of 225 comments (clear)

  1. Does the wall... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Funny

    shoot back?

    1. Re:Does the wall... by galaad2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      more importantly, is there a respawn location available?

      --
      root@127.0.0.1
  2. Guns? by acehole · · Score: 4, Funny

    Real guns or not, iddqd and idkfa is all i need baby.

    --
    Be you Admins? nay, we are but lusers!
    1. Re:Guns? by pinkushun · · Score: 3, Funny

      idclip would just cause headaches, unfortunately

  3. Source code by xerent_sweden · · Score: 3, Funny

    I sure hope it's bullet proof!

    1. Re:Source code by Alarindris · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You could also use a broom, but the whole point of this was using a projectile.

  4. Sadly... by Pvt_Ryan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This will only encourage those idiots that say games are simulators for killing people.

    On a brighter note it was still a pretty cool idea.

    1. Re:Sadly... by Annwvyn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Eh... no one pays attention to those people anyway. They have a right to an opinion just as much as I have the right to own my gaming systems as well as a real firearm. If they REALLY don't like it they can always start one of those online petitions (because from what I hear they are SO influential... *sarcasm*).

    2. Re:Sadly... by Yvanhoe · · Score: 5, Funny

      And they demonstrated it works fine while hitting the damn wall WITH A SHOVEL ! That was the greatest part. Forget the Wii, I want the next zombie game to be played with a wall of concrete and a shovel.

      --
      The Wise adapts himself to the world. The Fool adapts the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the Fool.
    3. Re:Sadly... by gijoel · · Score: 2, Funny

      Forget the shovel I want a cricket bat

    4. Re:Sadly... by Desler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, because we all know that Jack Thompson was a noted liberal! Oh and that channel 'Fox News' that would continually have him on as a 'video game violence' expert is also well-known as being the most liberal channel on all of US cable!

    5. Re:Sadly... by amateur6 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, this will make the games more like simulators for killing people. Hell, I played a (crappy) sniper game for an hour and then walked out of the arcade onto a catwalk above a food court... and couldn't help picking out targets. Mentally, of course.

      In this case anyone playing will learn that you can't reload just by firing off-screen, and that real guns are loud, kick, eject shells... and they'll get used to it. I'm not saying that it will turn an ordinary person into a killer, but there is an argument to be made, and it does get stronger in this case.

    6. Re:Sadly... by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, but the difference between you and a crazed shooter is that they aren't just mentally picking out targets. Charles Whitman didn't need video games.

    7. Re:Sadly... by bgillespie · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I'm not a crazed gunman, Dad, I'm an assassin! The difference being, one is a job and the other's mental sickness!"

  5. Doesn't sound the same by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Shooting at a close wall representing a target far away, and shooting at a target far away are not the same thing, ballistically speaking. Depending on the angle, a shot taken might have traveled past the intended target and missed if it were for real. Also, a closer shot means you don't have to adjust for windage or elevation, or at least as much. In Marine Corps boot camp, we fired at man-sized targets at 500 yards outdoors, which is not easy. I knew someone in the air force who said they did the same thing - little targets much closer indoors. Not surprisingly, he thought it was easy.

    All that being said, this sounds pretty cool. It might liven up range time if nothing else.

    --
    Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
    1. Re:Doesn't sound the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      True story: in boot camp, on pre-qual day I was platoon high shot, with a 242/250. On qual day, I fell to a 237 (choked under pressure) and someone else stole high shot.

      Later, in the fleet, we were going to be tested, right? So, the knuckleheads in the butts thought they'd be funny, and they gave me crap windage data, flagging me as a total miss on half my shots. I KNEW I was hitting, so I blew it off, even though it meant I couldn't log any windage data for qual day.

      So that night, this wise ass in my platoon said I was going to go unq, and I bet him 20 bucks that not only would I qualify, I'd kick the whole platoon's ass in doing so.

      The next day, every target had an officer monitoring the marking and scoring. I was platoon high shot. The guy tried to get out of the bet, saying I was a "ringer". He ended up buying me a pint of schnapps instead (I was underage, so I was ok with that).

      Did you know the army gets tested by shooting at sheet metal signs 300 yards away? If the sign goes "Ding" they get marked down as a hit. No scoring! No competition targets! It's amazing they ever hit ANYTHING in the field...

      MY rifle instructor taught us how to evaluate the wind speed and correct with the windage dial (1 click = 1 inch per hundred yards, for you non-hackers out there). None of this "Kentucky Windage" crap. Ah, the good old days! I wonder what happened to SSGT Hawkins? I bet he still shoots in competition...

      I'm thinking about getting a modern, American manufactured SVD and trying it out in marksmanship competitions... I get chills just thinking about it.

    2. Re:Doesn't sound the same by Yvanhoe · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ssshhhh, any FPS player knows that bullets travel in infinite straight line at the speed of light.

      --
      The Wise adapts himself to the world. The Fool adapts the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the Fool.
    3. Re:Doesn't sound the same by KDR_11k · · Score: 4, Funny

      Did you know the army gets tested by shooting at sheet metal signs 300 yards away? If the sign goes "Ding" they get marked down as a hit.

      That's nothing, the Bundeswehr practices by shouting "bang" and politely asking the target to fall over.

      --
      Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
    4. Re:Doesn't sound the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      :D

      A few years ago I was at Markham Park in S. Florida introducing a friend to shooting. Though I have the technique and terminology down pat, I'm not really a good shot (lack of practice mainly). I can hit an 8" target pretty consistently at 125 yds though (yes, is pretty pathetic but I'm damned proud of it).

      So I was standing there explaining how to load, how to unload, what to do when the "all clear" blows, etc.. My friend was picking it up. In the next lane was a guy dressed in full camo. He had some elaborate looking weapon that was about as tall as I was. He has a stand, sighting scope, some sort of navigation looking equipment. I figure the guy really knows what he's doing. When he prepares to fire, I tell my friend to look.

      So the guy sees us and starts firing. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Loud ass weapon. I take my own scope and look at his target. He misses every single shot. He curses. Adjusts. Switches magazines. Squeezes off another bunch of shots. Misses everything. Curses again.

      There used to be another guy there that I saw quite often. He was missing his pointer finger and pulled the trigger with his index finger. If there was a stereotypical ornery, ex-military guy, he was it. He didn't talk much. In fact was pretty rude to me a few times, but he could hit just about anything. He fired pistols, rifles, pretty much anything that had a trigger. He's the kind of guy I'd want on my side in a war.

      Anyway, point of this is that every ex-military guy at that range shot at a completely different level than those who didn't have that training. I didn't see a lot of police officers, but I'd expect they would be similarly proficient.

      Oh last story:
      Another friend was with me one time at the range. Before the all clear was called, he started walking out to collect his target. Next thing we hear on the loudspeaker, "Hey, dumbass in 15. What the hell are you doing? Hey everybody, check out the moron in 15. Yes, I'm talking to you.." and kept on going for another minute or so...

    5. Re:Doesn't sound the same by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 4, Informative

      The guy in camo is what competition shooters call a mall ninja. He can't shoot, was never in the military, but wants to be a bad ass. That's why he had a big elaborate gun, he bought his way in. You see them at competitions wearing shirts that say "Blackwater" and hats that say "C.I.A".

      Bunch of damn tools.

    6. Re:Doesn't sound the same by jockeys · · Score: 2, Informative

      not really. suppressors are perfectly legal in some states, I know several people who have them. it's pretty easy, you pay for the $200 stamp from BATFE and turn in your paperwork and wait a few months, no big deal.

      --

      In Soviet Russia jokes are formulaic and decidedly non-humorous.
  6. System by TerraGreyling · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I was in the ARMY we trained on a video game system that had normal ar15's connected to gas lines that would simulate a round being fired. The whole wall in the trailer would be the target zone, close and far distances. This would also have wind, barometric pressure, and temperature so you know how to adjust your fire. And this was back in 2003, so how exactly is this new? This system would also use live ammo, but the ballistics gel isn't a fine surface to project onto.

  7. Konami did it already by davidbrit2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Granted, their version used something like Airsoft pellets rather than live rounds, but the idea was the same. Kind of a fun game, if you ignore the pellets that keep bouncing off the target and hitting you in the face...

    Some info on the game.

  8. MUhahaha.. M4 Carbine vs Controller by C_Jax · · Score: 4, Funny

    Finally, a chance to level playing field against all the smack-talking 13 yr olds playing COD on Xbox live, Say hello to my M203

  9. Re:Air Force people learn to shoot guns? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 4, Informative

    bullshit.
    all soldiers (and yes, airforce pilots are also soldiers) undergo the same basic training so if the pilot cannot fly he still can shoot at the enemy or defend himself after ejecting.

    this is not a fucking team fortress, real humans are universal.

    --
    "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
  10. Re:Air Force people learn to shoot guns? by El+Torico · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not everyone in the Air Force is a pilot or weapons officer. I know Air Force security personnel who had to "knock doors" in Iraq.

    --
    In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is usually crucified.
  11. Re:Air Force people learn to shoot guns? by langelgjm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I guess you've never heard of pilots landing in enemy territory?

    --
    "Anyone who [rips a CD] is probably engaging in copyright infringement." - David O. Carson
  12. Re:Air Force people learn to shoot guns? by Broken+scope · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

    -Robert Heinlein

    --
    You mad
  13. FPS and space shooters by GNUThomson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ssshhhh, any FPS player knows that bullets travel in infinite straight line at the speed of light.

    Unless you use lasers in space shooters. Contrary to a popular disinformation spread frivolously by those lousy physicists, lasers are actually very slow. With a proper engine upgrades, you can outmanuver them easily.

    1. Re:FPS and space shooters by rjhubs · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dammit, now i'll never be able to enjoy wing commander again

  14. Re:Or they can just move to my country... by codeButcher · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where I live there's an indoor shooting range with a projection system. I remember one afternoon in the late nineties when a couple of us went and had a huge amount of good, clean, violent fun with the street battle scene from the movie Heat - must have been a year or two after it was released.

    After that I've often wondered how one could go about creating a 3-D projection system for total immersion. One of the walls I ran into was the problem of running onto a wall :-) And then soon after, paintball took off....

    --
    Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
  15. Backwards by Jeppe+Utzon · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's funny how they were able to think up this quite cool technology use but then manage to get their explanatory graphics wrong. At 0:40 in their Youtube clip, they show the shockwaves travelling out from the sensors and then intersect at the impact location. That is, of course, the exact opposite of what is really happening.

  16. Re:Air Force people learn to shoot guns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    You're either a troll or completely retarded. Allow me to enlighten you: most personnel in the Air Force don't serve in planes.

    ... they are shot out of catapults

  17. Re:Air Force people learn to shoot guns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And yet Heinlein's specialty was writing.

  18. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  19. Hardly improves on an old method by El+Cabri · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Reminds me of basic training in the army in the 70s. A projection screen is rolled around two rotating vertical cylinders, one on the left and one on the right, therefore forming a "double layer screen". A movie is projected on the front of the screen and light also shines from the back. The trainee shoots at the screen, where the movie representing the advancing enemy is running. At the "bang", the movie projector freezes the frame and we can see light shining from the back through the two aligned holes in the front and back screens. The instructor can determine whether it's a hit and then the cylinders are rotated so that the front and back holes are not aligned anymore and the impact disappears, and the exercise continues.

  20. reloading by WAG24601G · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do not shoot off screen to reload!!!!!

    --
    Everything is easy when you don't understand the problem.
  21. Re:Air Force people learn to shoot guns? by Whorhay · · Score: 2, Informative

    Are you kidding me? Chairforce... erm Air Force pilots do not under go the same kind of small arms training that a Marine does. Every branch of service has their own basic training courses. When I went through basic we spent most of one whole day learning about the M16A2 and got to shoot about 100 rounds at the range. The targets were all at simulated range. Meaning that it's a big sheet of paper with targets of varying size and shape.

    I knew a girl who enlisted in the army to drive trucks and even she had an entire month of weapons training, some of which was with a .50 cal machine gun. The only people I am aware of in the Air Force that do anything more than qualify with small arms are Security Forces, Para Rescue and Combat Controllers,

    All that said I'm not sure that adjusting for shots past 100 yards is something that anyone but snipers need to worry about in todays typical fighting environment.

  22. Re:Been done... by lewko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, but it hasn't been done for about five bucks worth of parts.

    Those simulation systems are aimed at government or military budgets, and are well outside the reach of hobbyists, or small security and law-enforcement agencies.

    Admittedly Quake and Doom aren't useful training tools for real world combatives, but it's a start...

    --
    Do you or your partner snore? - Visit www.snoring.com.au
  23. Re:Air Force people learn to shoot guns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And yet Heinlein's specialty was writing.

    From various biographical material, it seems that Heinlein demonstrated all those abilities except "plan an invasion" (he was in the Navy between wars) and "die gallantly" (he died of old age).

    Edward.E. Smith probably could have pulled all those things off as well (in his case, probably including "plan an invasion")...

  24. Re:Air Force people learn to shoot guns? by russotto · · Score: 2, Informative

    Before Heinlein was a writer, he was an officer in the Navy, having been through the Naval Academy. Which suggests he probably could take and give orders, co-operate, act alone, conn a ship, fight efficiently, and plan an invasion.

    I'd guess that he could also change a diaper, pitch manure, butcher a hog, build a wall, set a bone, balance accounts, and comfort the dying, all of those being skills someone of his background would have picked up one way or another.

    The only building I know of he "designed" was the one in "...And He Built A Crooked House"; that one probably doesn't count.

    The only one of those I'm sure he failed to do is die gallantly.

  25. Re:can't wait... by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 2, Funny

    But what about Rocket Jumps? I think right now you can only do one. After that things don't work so well....

    --
    We were all warned a long time ago that MS products sucked, remember the Magic 8 Ball said, "Outlook not so good"
  26. Very similar to archery targets by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just browsing the summary, but this sounds very similar to some of the archery systems they have set up at hunting stores.

    A woodland scene is projected on a screen, and you actually fired your own arrows (points replaced with a blunted tip) onto the screen. It would mark where you hit, and then 'score' your performance based on where it felt the best position to shoot the animal was.

    --
    Out of modpoints but really liked a post? 1BDkF6TtmmeZ3yqXbz9yhdYVqRYnwFoXDj
  27. Re:Air Force people learn to shoot guns? by lwsimon · · Score: 2, Funny

    "in the Core"?

    As in, in the "Marine Core"?

    Wow. I guess those Air Force pukes just aren't hardcorps enough for that kind of training.

    --
    Learn about Photography Basics.