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Reports of IE Hijacking NXDOMAINs, Routing To Bing

Jaeden Stormes writes "We just started getting word of a new browser hijack from our sales force. 'Some site called Bing?' they said. Sure enough, since the patches last night, their IE6 and IE7 installations are now routing all NXDOMAINs to Bing. Try it out — put in something like www.DoNotHijackMe.com." We've had mixed results here confirming this: one report that up-to-date IE8 behaves as described. Others tried installing all offered updates to systems running IE6 and IE7 and got no hijacking.
Update: 08/11 23:24 GMT by KD : Readers are reporting that it's not Bing that comes up for a nonexistent domain, it's the user's default search engine (noting that at least one Microsoft update in the past changed the default to Bing). There may be nothing new here.

230 comments

  1. Verizon does it for me... by tjstork · · Score: 4, Informative

    So it looks like its not Microsoft's fault in -my case-.

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    1. Re:Verizon does it for me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      And... Comcast does it for me...

    2. Re:Verizon does it for me... by ericlondaits · · Score: 1

      My IE8 redirected to Google.. I guess it's because of the Google Toolbar, although it was disabled.

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    3. Re:Verizon does it for me... by DaHat · · Score: 2, Informative

      I just noticed comcast doing it to me this morning as well... odd thing was it would redirect www.pleasedonthijackthis.com but not pleasedonthijackthis.com.

      Call me crazy... but I do not use www's unless I have to!

    4. Re:Verizon does it for me... by dch24 · · Score: 1

      So how long until Comcast sues Microsoft for using "bundling" to catch this revenue stream?

    5. Re:Verizon does it for me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, Ballmer hired me to do this. He asked that I do it, instead of MS people, because he wants to maintain "plausible deniability". I got it all done, then Steve wants to pay me less than half of what he promised. Says, since it only took me two days to finish it up, I didn't earn my money. BASTARD THREW A CHAIR AT ME AND TOLD ME TO GET OUT!!!

      I hate that man....

    6. Re:Verizon does it for me... by Foredecker · · Score: 1

      Both IE8 and Firefox take me to http://www.fatguyshirts.com/ if I type in donothijackme.com.

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    7. Re:Verizon does it for me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      No, as usual, when there is /. FUD or stupidity, it's kdawson's fault...

    8. Re:Verizon does it for me... by HeronBlademaster · · Score: 1

      Comcast is doing that intentionally (only redirecting www.* NXDOMAINs) - at least according to the Comcast engineer who e-mailed me about it (to clarify one of my posts) when this topic came up last week.

    9. Re:Verizon does it for me... by SBrach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is since this afternoon when someone clever realized an unregistered domain was about to receive a s;ashdotting. Wonder how much those ads earned him today.

    10. Re:Verizon does it for me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a minute, Telefonica started to do the same yesterday here in Colombia, a friend in Panama also noted funky DNS behaviour and we do not share the same cable. Telfonica redirects to Terra's (stillborn) search. I can't believe that every ISP, even in the south side of the pond, is doing this at the same day. Thank Jebus we have OpenDNS FTW!

    11. Re:Verizon does it for me... by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      Both IE8 and Firefox take me to http://www.fatguyshirts.com/ if I type in donothijackme.com.

      Do they have nice shirts? Are they reasonably priced?

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  2. Not working by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not working here :(

  3. Ridiculous by Josh04 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    IE cannot "hijack" NXDOMAIN, because it's not an ISP.

    1. Re:Ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      More kdawson FUD?

    2. Re:Ridiculous by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well even more to the point IMO: IE isn't "hijacking" NXDOMAIN because IE is the program you're requesting the domain from. Saying IE is hijacking your domain query is a little like claiming the normal pilot of a plane is hijacking it whenever he flies. No, he's not, he's the pilot. It's kind of his job.

      What I mean is, if I dropped to the command prompt and typed "nslookup [whatever]", is IE changing the results that I get? If not, then it isn't really fair to say they're "hijacking" anything. If you're typing a domain into your address bar of your browser, and you want something to figure out what you're trying to type and possibly redirecting to a search engine, then the browser is the appropriate place for that to happen. The complaints about DNS "hijacking" is because it's being done by the DNS server and not the browser, but the browser is actually the right place for this to happen.

      Now maybe they should offer the option to turn this on or off, but really as long as they're respecting your choice in search engines, I don't think there's a problem. It's a little like complaining that Firefox's Awesome Bar tries to guess what sites you're trying to find.

    3. Re:Ridiculous by causality · · Score: 0, Redundant

      IE cannot "hijack" NXDOMAIN, because it's not an ISP.

      Perhaps, but Microsoft can use its control of IE to artificially pad the number of hits to bing.com. That way users who had no intention of visiting the site will be taken there anyway. It's not so unreasonable to describe this as "hijacking" of traffic. Your computer is yours, is it not? Shouldn't it only go to a Web site when you decide that you want it to, and not when someone in marketing decides it'll drive traffic to a site? Sorry but you really seem to be quibbling about semantics, as though semantics had any power to make this an ethical or desirable feature.

      It seems that the reports of this behavior are not terribly consistent. So as to whether or not I know for sure that this is going on, I have to say "I don't know." What I will say is that this kind of disrespectful treatment of users, the blatant disregard of their free choices, is par for the course for Microsoft and is a major reason why I refuse to use their software. It's certainly believable that they would do this. It means they view users as objects, as means to an end, and feel free to direct users' equipment and 'Net connections in any way that suits their marketing purposes. That is how you treat furniture, not human beings. In the face of that, I consider IE's "non-ISP" status to be not just a moot point, but a distraction.

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    4. Re:Ridiculous by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Funny

      Its really nothing worth getting upset about. Lot's of smart people mix that one up.

    5. Re:Ridiculous by Hubbell · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It's their product, and if you input an invalid URL...their product directs you to their search engine to allow you to search for whatever it is you are looking for. How in the fuck is this wrong?

    6. Re:Ridiculous by jacksonj04 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Woooos'h!

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    7. Re:Ridiculous by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because somehow on Windows 7, Firefox is doing the same thing now, and Google is the default search engine.....

    8. Re:Ridiculous by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      If I get on a commercial plane that is instructed to go to New York, and the pilot takes me to Cuba, that pilot has hijacked that plane. Even if I misspelled New York when I bought my ticket.

    9. Re:Ridiculous by causality · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's their product, and if you input an invalid URL...their product directs you to their search engine to allow you to search for whatever it is you are looking for. How in the fuck is this wrong?

      I already answered your question and described what I think is wrong with such practices. If you disagree with my answer, please tell me why you disagree and what part of my reasoning seems invalid to you. An emotive restatement of the question doesn't contribute much.

      To me, this would be a legitimate practice PROVIDED that they first ask the user. Ideally, this feature would be off by default, the user would first enable the feature and would then get to choose the search engine that it uses. I'd have no problem with that.

      What I think is unethical is if no such question is asked and Microsoft just decides for you that every little typo means you really wanted to do a Bing search. Do you really think that sort of "creative interpretation" of your actions sets a favorable precedent? Microsoft clearly gains from this because they are trying very hard to promote their search engine, while the user either has a dubious benefit or has to suffer a needless annoyance. I don't use use Microsoft software, but if I did, I most certainly would not be paying them for the "privilege" of being a bargaining chip in their struggle to compete with Google. Perhaps other people don't mind being used in such a demeaning fashion, but I certainly don't and have never consented to it.

      If Bing is successful and gives Google a run for their money, it needs to be because of its merits. It should never be because Microsoft was able to leverage its marketshare in one market to dupe its users into going along with giving them undue success in another market. No one except for Microsoft benefits from that scenario. That is not the sort of competition that lets all of us enjoy better browsers and better search engines. I don't know how to make that more clear.

      I'll emphasize that these reports are not terribly consistent. I don't know if this is what is going on and I'm not the sort of fool who automatically believes everything he reads. Having said that, I do know that this is the accusation being made in the summary. If it is a correct accusation, then everything I have said applies.

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    10. Re:Ridiculous by Josh04 · · Score: 0

      Your first point is a technicality - very few people use a DNS which is not provided by their ISP, and those who do are still vulnerable to a faked response.

      Your second point is flawed as well, in that case it would be Microsoft who were hijacking NXDOMAIN rather than IE itself.

    11. Re:Ridiculous by aztracker1 · · Score: 2

      Well, if you get in a cab, and tell the drive to drive... he say's where to, you say "I-Just-Dont-Exits.com" and he says, he doesn't know that place and gives you some search results instead isn't really hijacking.

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    12. Re:Ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Punctuation, not spelling.

    13. Re:Ridiculous by mgblst · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Saying IE is hijacking your domain query is a little like claiming the normal pilot of a plane is hijacking it whenever he flies. No, he's not, he's the pilot. It's kind of his job.

      What if he flies it to a completely different airport, under the guise of killing you all and stealing the plane? Is that still not a hijack? This is a good analogy for what IE does.

    14. Re:Ridiculous by supernova_hq · · Score: 1

      Except in that case it is not even in valid url format, it is treating it as a keyword (after checking the dns in case you have something in your hosts file that is).

      Go into firefox and type in "slashdot.gobcom" and you WILL get the nxdomain page!

      The difference is that IE is redirecting even if you supplied an address with a correct format.

    15. Re:Ridiculous by supernova_hq · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is if he drives you to the library to look it up, which is what IE is doing by redirecting you to bing.

    16. Re:Ridiculous by Cal27 · · Score: 0

      If I type "slashdot" and hit enter, I get an add-riddled Verizon page that, if you try to opt out of, conveniently gives 404 errors. See for yourself.

    17. Re:Ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes I suspect people make small errors in trivial comments which leave the meaning clear and unambiguous just to draw us pedantic losers out into the open so they get a good idea of who to ignore in future.

      Thank God for AC!

    18. Re:Ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      To me, this would be a legitimate practice PROVIDED that they first ask the user. Ideally, this feature would be off by default, the user would first enable the feature and would then get to choose the search engine that it uses. I'd have no problem with that.

      They ask the user when the software is run for the first time you dumb son of a bitch,

    19. Re:Ridiculous by Capt.+Skinny · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, but what if you get on a plane instructed to go to Freedonia? The flight dispatcher tells the pilot "WTF?", and you're kicked off the plane and given set of destination options.

    20. Re:Ridiculous by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that's not really what's happening. It's more like if you hopped into a plane and told the pilot, "Take me New Jerk," and he responded by saying, "I don't know where New Jerk is. Are you sure you didn't mean New York or New Jersey? Maybe you mean New Hampshire? I have a list of thousands of other possible destinations you might mean. Do you want to look through them all?"

      That might not be how you want the pilot to respond. Maybe you just want him to say, "I don't know where New Jerk is. Get off the plane now." But it's not really unreasonable behavior.

    21. Re:Ridiculous by Trahloc · · Score: 1

      Being a non verizon customer the link you provided worked fine for me. Perhaps they just fubared their own network? Or maybe they fixed it after having the 404 page slashdotted.

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    22. Re:Ridiculous by Cal27 · · Score: 0

      That page isn't 404ing, but all the links on it are.

    23. Re:Ridiculous by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 0

      How the hell is that a troll? After updating Windows 7 last week, Firefox started using Bing for those url bar searches, even thought Google is the default. They changed something.

    24. Re:Ridiculous by Capsaicin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even if you were more right, I'd rather side with him since he can spell.

      What was being corrected was ISP for DNS. I don't believe the presence of an apostrophe was the issue the poster was addressing. If you choose to believe a message based on the correctness of punctuation, or even spelling, rather than examining the truth of its (how tempted I was to write it's just to annoy you!) semantic content, you are systematically deluding yourself.

      Otherwise well informed people make spelling mistakes. Highly intelligent people make spelling mistakes. People who know how to spell make typos. People who are on the losing side of an argument clutching at straws invest such mistakes with an importance they do not possess.

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    25. Re:Ridiculous by capnkr · · Score: 1

      Oh noesss! Its the Revenge of the Anonymous Pedants!

      {roll_eyes}

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    26. Re:Ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... a good idea of who to ignore in future.

      ... of whom to ignore in the future. ;)

    27. Re:Ridiculous by MartinSchou · · Score: 4, Informative

      Then Firefox is doing something wrong.

      I'm using build 7100, Opera, IE8 (version 8.0.7100.0 - no updates available on Windows Update), Chrome (2.0.172.39) and Firefox.

      Going to http://3.se (.se domains require a minimum of 3 characters, so this cannot ever resolve) in Opera gives me:

      Error!
      Could not locate remote server

      In IE8, Google as default provider gives me http://www.google.com/search?q=3.se&rls=com.microsoft:da&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1 which makes sense, as it's searching for the unresolved domain through Google.

      Chrome gives me

      DNS error - cannot find server
      Oops! This link appears to be broken.

      Firefox 3.5.2 gives me

      Server not found
      Firefox can't find the server at www.3.se.

      Safari gives me

      Safari can't find the server.
      Safari can't open the page "http://3.se/" because Safari can't find the server "3.se".

      In other words, unless you messed up your Firefox install, nothing on Windows 7 makes Firefox (or any other browser) use Bing as a search engine unless you've asked it to. The only reason IE8 even uses Google as the search engine is because I asked it to when I set it up.

      None of the browsers have this issue. They all try to resolve http://3.se/ and http://www.3.se/ but like I said, that domain cannot ever exist as a legitimate domain, so it fails. All the browsers are doing what they've been told to do.

      The only thing I can think of, that you may have done to make your Firefox installation use Bing for the searches, is if you asked it to import settings from another browser (IE) which used Bing as its search provider. Are you sure the only thing you did was update Windows and not Firefox? Maybe an update would trigger the question again (I haven't a clue, I don't use it)? Or a fresh install or a misclick somewhere in its settings?

    28. Re:Ridiculous by jon3k · · Score: 1

      Are you familiar with the Sherman Act?

    29. Re:Ridiculous by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 1

      Certainly possible, but i always select not to import settings. Is this a hidden setting somewhere separate from the main search provider? Because clearly they are different, failed domains go to bing, search box is set to google.

    30. Re:Ridiculous by marka63 · · Score: 2, Informative

      No they default to doing it. See browser.fixup.alternate.enable in Firefox which defaults to true. Set it to false and 3.se will just try 3.se and nothing else.

      The search is also the default but can be turned off with keyword.enabled false.

    31. Re:Ridiculous by Fuzzums · · Score: 1

      and if you type "lfadohei f3" as destination you get your preferred search engine to help you to find the right destination. this is what happens with your browser. plane and simple.

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    32. Re:Ridiculous by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      Not if the drive to the library, and said results take you a couple seconds, and don't cost you anything.

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    33. Re:Ridiculous by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what search you mean is defaulted to true. I haven't changed anything from the Firefox default settings. It only prepends www to that attempt, and it doesn't use any search engine as a third option.

    34. Re:Ridiculous by supernova_hq · · Score: 1

      But you never asked, or even gave him permission to take you to the library. Even if he doesn't charge you for it, you still never asked to be taken to the library.

    35. Re:Ridiculous by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      He took you to said library based on your information search setting... You got into the cab.

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  4. Who cares!?! by o+TINY+o · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I mean really. We can get a page telling us the site doesn't exist, or we can be re-directed to a search engine which can help us find what we were looking for. Yeah it helps pimp Microsoft, but I figure if you are using their browser, it is fair game.

    1. Re:Who cares!?! by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      example.com exists. You aren't going to get NXDOMAIN message using that.

    2. Re:Who cares!?! by SBrach · · Score: 4, Informative

      On my PC if I have bing selected as my default search engine it takes me to bing. If I have google set as my default search engine it takes me to google. I don't really see what the big deal is.

    3. Re:Who cares!?! by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, no it shouldn't. http://www.donothijackme.com/ does not show up with anything, it opens up a error message reading "Server not found Firefox can't find the server at www.donothijackme.com. * Check the address for typing errors such as ww.example.com instead of www.example.com * If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network connection. * If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure that Minefield is permitted to access the Web."

      Example.com on the other hand -is- a valid site and will return "You have reached this web page by typing "example.com", "example.net", or "example.org" into your web browser. These domain names are reserved for use in documentation and are not available for registration. See RFC 2606, Section 3." if the point is searching for an invalid site to test for this, why the heck would you use a valid site which wouldn't return the error message?

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    4. Re:Who cares!?! by Wuhao · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Can you point me to the relevant RFC, or at least a standard from a recognized standards body which is being violated here?

    5. Re:Who cares!?! by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Domain hijacking is a huge deal for me. Primarily, when I'm on an internet connection that's hijacking the domain, if I type 'amazon', firefox first checks if I have an amazon in my searchdomain (ie: amazon.example.com), and if not, it tries adding a .com, then a www. and a .com... if the ISP is hijacking it, I get an answer to 'amazon' with the hijacked page. This means that I have to type the .com every time.

      with a browser doing the same thing, I could be trying to connect to my primary server (wolverine) and if I mistype the webaddress, it redirects me to bing, changing my URL bar to the bing URL which means that when I've typed 'wolverine/some/really/long/path?with=variables' I have to go type that whole thing over again to correct it rather than just fixing it in the addressbar.

      so, hijacking the DNS is a BITCH and is totally annoying all the time.

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    6. Re:Who cares!?! by denmarkw00t · · Score: 1

      Of course, when you start typing wolverine/long/path/to/script, doesn't your browser autofill at least some of the domain, limiting the room for typos?

    7. Re:Who cares!?! by Snover · · Score: 1

      Actually, youâ(TM)d want to use example.invalid, since example.com is a valid domain. :)

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    8. Re:Who cares!?! by JustOK · · Score: 1

      all the links have been hijacked.

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    9. Re:Who cares!?! by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, that domain has been registered already.

      Luckily, my corporate firewall banned it (fatguyshirts) as "tasteless and offensive".

      Time to change the summary, editors.

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    10. Re:Who cares!?! by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      Standards exist for a reason. If vendors behaves in a non-uniform manner then it makes the development of protocols and software much more challenging. More importantly, it stifles the entire industry.

      Speaking of standards, the summary should be using example.com for their domain.

      I agree fully that "example.com" really ought to be used as the example domain. That's the only thing we should actually be outraged about. In this case, a web browser handling an nxdomain result by automatically doing a search doesn't hurt anything. Doing it at the dns level hurts everything. In one case, I either use a different tool or reconfigure my existing one. In the other case, all sorts of services can potentially break.

    11. Re:Who cares!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First off, there's a trick to add "www." and ".com" to any address you type in Firefox (or IE, or any competent browser, for that matter). For windows machines, hold down Ctrl and press Enter. No more typing in ".com" every time.

      Second, this isn't DNS hijacking. The browser's doing the redirecting, in this case, which is fair. If you don't like how the browser handles NXDOMAIN, any competent browser has the option for you to change how it behaves after failed DNS lookups. I specifically set mine to do a google search for my query, and the page I'm intending to see is typically the first search result.

      Third, yes, I know you specifically were referring to DNS hijacking, not necessarily TFA. If you weren't confusing the two situations, this post is simply a reference for those who were confusing the two.

    12. Re:Who cares!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations, your corporate firewall just won the Most Politically Correct Software award!

    13. Re:Who cares!?! by supernova_hq · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is a difference between redirecting on a keyword (not in URL format) and with a properly formatted (yet incorrect) URL.

      "slashdot" should do a search, "slashdot.gobcom" should show an nxdomain error.

    14. Re:Who cares!?! by Burning1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This isn't an example of domain hijacking, this is an example of an annoying browser feature.

      Domain hijacking refers to a range of activities, some of which are illegal, and some of which are just annoying. In the traditional sense, domain hijacking usually involves exploitation of domain registrar update process or social engineering to steal a domain name, and direct traffic to another (possibly nefarious) website. In this case, someone has literally taken (stolen) another person's property and used it for their own purposes.

      I've also seen the term legitimately used to describe NXDOOMAIN hijacking, where ISPs answer requests for 'nonexistant' domains, redirecting traffic for their own purposes. This causes a lot of headaches for IT, but is not illegal.

    15. Re:Who cares!?! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Informative

      For starters, "slashdot.gobcom" is not a properly formatted absolute URL, because it lacks the scheme (you know, that "http://" thingy). On the other hand, "slashdot" is a valid relative URL. You have to decide what you actually want here.

      In any case, if you go with the sane option of only considering absolute URLs, then it's exactly how IE works (version 8, at least). If you type "nothingforyoutoseehere", it tries to prepend "http://" and resolve it as such, and if that fails, redirects to the default search engine. But if you type "http://nothingforyoutoseehere", then it tries to resolve it, fails, and displays the usual error page.

    16. Re:Who cares!?! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      with a browser doing the same thing, I could be trying to connect to my primary server (wolverine) and if I mistype the webaddress, it redirects me to bing, changing my URL bar to the bing URL which means that when I've typed 'wolverine/some/really/long/path?with=variables' I have to go type that whole thing over again to correct it rather than just fixing it in the addressbar.

      If you type your URLs properly - that is, starting with "http://" - then it won't "hijack" them.

    17. Re:Who cares!?! by Wuhao · · Score: 1

      As an experiment, I just tried typing "wolverine/some/long/path/?with=variables" into my Firefox address bar.

      Result: I was dropped off at http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=wolverine

      So, in this respect, Firefox is no better than IE.

    18. Re:Who cares!?! by MyDixieWrecked · · Score: 1

      you shouldn't need to type the http://./ that should be assumed. You don't type 'ftp://' in front of your ftp addresses in an FTP client, you shouldn't need to actually type it for a webbrowser. I can understand why it's displayed since the browser supports multiple protocols (http/https/rss)

      I got annoyed at IE because it always used to redirect to livesearch when I typed in an IP (for my router) unless I put the http:/// in the front.

      I'm annoyed at browser behavior far too often.

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    19. Re:Who cares!?! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      At this point it is beyond the realm of standards and into UI design territory. According to the RFC that specifies the URI format, "www.foo.bar" is not a valid absolute URI (and therefore URL) - "http://" is not an optional part. Thus, it's up to every individual application to decide how to handle such malformed URIs. The specific behavior used by IE is definitely inconvenient for some people (I've ran into the problem you describe myself), but it is also convenient for many more. Furthermore, it has been there in its present form for a long time, and it can be easily disabled in IE settings if desired. I don't see a problem here.

    20. Re:Who cares!?! by MarceloR2 · · Score: 1

      The "ftp://" thing is so recent in the history of the protocol that it boggles the mind...

    21. Re:Who cares!?! by nacturation · · Score: 1

      There is a difference between redirecting on a keyword (not in URL format) and with a properly formatted (yet incorrect) URL.

      "slashdot" should do a search, "slashdot.gobcom" should show an nxdomain error.

      "slashdot" could be a misspelling of a valid computer on my domain and it should show an nxdomain error. "string.sort" should do a search for the sort method of the string object. :)

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    22. Re:Who cares!?! by jon3k · · Score: 1

      Sure, no problem. Once again Microsoft abuses it's monopoly to drive traffic towards their search engine.

    23. Re:Who cares!?! by fbjon · · Score: 1

      I agree fully that "example.com" really ought to be used as the example domain.

      Argh, no. The domain "example.com" is an example of an existing domain and resolves to an active server. "example.invalid" is an example of a nonexisting domain.

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    24. Re:Who cares!?! by marka63 · · Score: 1

      A ftp client knows that it needs to talk ftp.

      A web (not http) browser could be talking ftp, http, https, gopher and half a dozen other protocols. It assumes you mean http if you don't specify anything else and the name doesn't start with ftp in which case it assumes you want to talk ftp.

    25. Re:Who cares!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so, hijacking the DNS is a BITCH and is totally annoying all the time.

      No, it's not. I'm not having trouble with this kind of "hijacking" and I actually find it helpful. I just go to the address bar, don't know how to type the address and type whatever I want to search for. Bang! [pun intended] Google comes up, searching for whatever I needed and sometimes even redirecting me to the first page in the results if it's highly ranked. So... I just type what I want and I'm taken to the page which is considered to be the most (and very) relevant by Google or the computer does the searching for me.
      If you are trying to type 'wolverine/some/really/long/path?with=variables' and you are too lazy to press Ctrl+A and Ctrl+C to hold it in the clipboard for a second, you ARE lazy and you should be ignored by the geek community. I know, I'm trolling, but "hijacking a domain from the address bar" is not the same as "hijacking a domain. period." It's actually very helpful and there's just this little issue if you type very long and complex urls (hint: tinyurl.com / bit.ly / stfg for "url shortner") knowing that if you made a mistake you might lose the url and you don't use the clipboard for a few seconds and you don't use url shortners .... then dude, you ARE an idiot.
      So no, hijacking the DNS is not a BITCH and is not l

    26. Re:Who cares!?! by Wuhao · · Score: 1

      That's not exactly a technical standard, which I'd think would have been clear from context was what we were discussing. In any case, I don't think Sherman applies here. What legal argument are you presenting, in specific terms?

    27. Re:Who cares!?! by jon3k · · Score: 1

      I thought it would be clear from my response that there is more to right and wrong than RFCs.

    28. Re:Who cares!?! by Wuhao · · Score: 1

      Once again, the post to which I had replied had not raised a question of "right" and "wrong" -- merely whether standards had been adhered to. Regardless, you haven't substantiated your argument that there is a Sherman Act violation here.

  5. Is that considered Hijacking? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm pretty sure that if you had the Google Search Provider add on for IE, and made it your default search provider, it would do the same? Hasn't that always been the case for Non-existant domains?

    I mean, its IE, and its microsoft - all they're basically doing is providing the "Microsoft Add On" in their versions of IE.

    1. Re:Is that considered Hijacking? by icebike · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure you don't know what you are talking about.

      Why not TRY it in Firefox and compare results to IE like everybody else is doing?

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    2. Re:Is that considered Hijacking? by Thalagyrt · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've done it in IE8. With Google as the search provider, it goes to Google. With Bing as the provider, it goes to Bing. With Yahoo as the provider, it goes to Yahoo... Hell, with eBay as the selected provider, it searches eBay. You get the picture.

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    3. Re:Is that considered Hijacking? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I -DO- know what I'm talking about, and I don't know how this made news because I've had IE do this for me for at least a year as Google as my default search provider, sending me to google if I mistyped a domain name or something. And when I didn't have google set, it was "Windows Live search".

      Now its Bing.

      I'm pretty sure you Don't know what YOU'RE talking about, because you use Firefox and haven't kept up with IE. Just like the article.

    4. Re:Is that considered Hijacking? by icebike · · Score: 1

      Firefox = Shows static not found page
      Opera = Shows static not found page
      Safari = Shows static not found page
      Ancient Seamonkey = Shows static not found page

      IE? FLEETINGLY shoes static page, then pops to something that on vmn.net even tho my search provider is Google.

      I want to configure it to use the proper response, which is the static page ONLY.

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    5. Re:Is that considered Hijacking? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Quoted from below:

      Tools -> Internet Options -> Advanced -> Search from Address Bar -> Do not search from address bar.

      There you go.

      If anything else is happening, its a problem with malware on your computer or your DNS.

      Microsoft is not shamelessly plugging Bing. It's a feature. A feature they've had for years and decided to make it standard. If you don't set it to anything besides the default, it'll use Bing.

    6. Re:Is that considered Hijacking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is entirely up to the browser. If the user does not like it, there is an option to turn that off, and there are other browsers which behave differently. NXDOMAIN highjacking is a problem because it is a violation of a standard internet protocol and interferes with other protocols. This is not highjacking. It's a user agent reacting to NXDOMAIN. There is no technical reason why it shouldn't do what it does.

    7. Re:Is that considered Hijacking? by icebike · · Score: 1

      No such option in IE8.

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    8. Re:Is that considered Hijacking? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      It's there, it was just renamed. In the same area, find the "Search from the Address bar" section and then click "Do not submit unknown addresses to your auto-search provider." True, it's a little bit confusingly worded, but the option is still there.

    9. Re:Is that considered Hijacking? by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      So turn off the "Search from address bar" option. To most people, this approach is better - they type in a URL, and make a typo, and it takes them to a search engine that says "Did you mean XXXXXXX?"

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    10. Re:Is that considered Hijacking? by jon3k · · Score: 1

      "Microsoft is not shamelessly plugging Bing. It's a feature. "

      hahhahahahahaha I think we've officially found Steve Ballmer's slashdot nick.

    11. Re:Is that considered Hijacking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft is not shamelessly plugging Bing. It's a feature.

      So neglecting to include the google search provider with IE8 and shoving google to the bottom of a list that most IE users will never use is a feature?

      I'm sorry but everyone uses the term 'google' as a replacement for 'search the web' because it's so popular & reliable. Hiding the ability to search with google is a blatant choice to inconvenience its users at the behest of investors.

    12. Re:Is that considered Hijacking? by Alsee · · Score: 1

      With Google as the search provider, it goes to Google.
      With Bing as the provider, it goes to Bing.
      With Yahoo as the provider, it goes to Yahoo...
      Hell, with eBay as the selected provider, it searches eBay.
        You get the picture.

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  6. It is just trying to be helpful. by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Informative

    It isn't actually Bing that it goes to, it is whatever your default search provider is. Now that is Bing by default, but you can change it to anything you want. IE8 asks you during setup, and you can change it later. So if you change it to Google and enter a non-existent domain, it'll send you to Google with a search for that.

    Similar to how Firefox works, just in more cases. In FF, if you enter a name with no domain, it tries some popular ones like .com. If it can't find any, it then does a search in your default provider. IE is doing a similar thing, but doing the search even if you do enter a domain.

    1. Re:It is just trying to be helpful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and this made it to the front page of /. ? talk about paranoia

    2. Re:It is just trying to be helpful. by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But it becomes a bad thing when you do it for non-existent domains. When you type something without the domain name, its assumed you are searching for something, when you enter a non-existent domain, its sorta like dialing a wrong number. I'd rather the phone system tell me I have a wrong number rather than trying to get me where it thinks I want to go. If I call 555-555-5555 chances are I want 555-555-5555, it should not assume that I want 555-555-XXXX. When I want to go to something .com, .net, .org, or another domain, I want it it to show me the domain, if there is no domain, tell me there is no domain.

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    3. Re:It is just trying to be helpful. by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      But if you enter a valid URL firefox will always take you there even if there is no site, it only googles stuff if you type an invalid url, this is a fair assumption
      google.cm/ google dot com goes to a google results page

      it can also be disabled completely
      keyword.enabled = false

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    4. Re:It is just trying to be helpful. by Hach-Que · · Score: 1

      However, it only does it with Live Search. I just tested it and set my search provider to Google. It won't search Google on a non-existant domain.

    5. Re:It is just trying to be helpful. by EdIII · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hmmmm, sounds informative and reasonable.... damn. So what do I do with these pitch forks, torches, hot tar, and feathers now?

    6. Re:It is just trying to be helpful. by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 1

      It won't search Google on a non-existant domain.

      Yes it will (at least here). I've no idea what you're doing that's different.

    7. Re:It is just trying to be helpful. by ojintoad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Take them to kdawson and force him to explain why I can't tag this !story since it is clearly NOT a STORY.

    8. Re:It is just trying to be helpful. by Jade+E.+2 · · Score: 1

      Absolutely correct. The only thing that's changed is that MS redirected auto.search.msn.com, search.msn.com, and all of live.com to bing.com. So the old MSN Live Search domain not found page (Which should be familiar to anyone who ever misspelled 'getfirefox.com' shortly after installing a new windows system) now says Bing.com instead. Everybody panic!

    9. Re:It is just trying to be helpful. by gazbo · · Score: 1
      AND THERE IS THE CRUCIAL POINT:

      But if you enter a valid URL...

      Same with IE. Try typing in "www.fdsgsdfgfgs.com" and you'll indeed go to Bing. Try typing in "http://www.fdsgsdfgfgs.com" and you'll get a DNS error.

      I could understand the average user not appreciating the difference, but surely everyone on this site should? Certainly the sort of people who think they're clever enough to use phrases like "hijacking NXDOMAINS".

    10. Re:It is just trying to be helpful. by canajin56 · · Score: 1

      On top of that, it's always done this. If they'd run this article 5 years ago it would have been "Snooze, ye olde news is olde."

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    11. Re:It is just trying to be helpful. by Fastolfe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But it becomes a bad thing when you do it for non-existent domains.

      Why? If I mistype a domain name, and get a search results page, I know instantly what happened (I mistyped the domain name), and, odds are, the correct page that I'm looking for is in the search results (usually at the top), one click away, instead of a retype away. This is a net positive for me. Fortunately we can both have it our own way, since you can turn this feature off, right?

    12. Re:It is just trying to be helpful. by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Ok; then turn it off.

      Either way, it's not worthy of a mouth-foaming angry Slashdot story-- unless it's time for the 2 Minutes Hate, I guess.

    13. Re:It is just trying to be helpful. by teh_commodore · · Score: 1

      You've sort of muddled the comparison, due to the differences in addressing schemes.

      Typing in "example" and being redirected to http://www.example.com/ is more like dialing 555-555-5555 and the country code being inferred, so you actually call 1-555-555-5555 (in the US, since I'm an insensitive clod). You might have meant to call China, but seriously, you probably didn't.

      Further still, what IE is doing is essentially connecting you to your preferred operator (Debbie?) whenever "the number you dialed is no longer in service."

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    14. Re:It is just trying to be helpful. by cbhacking · · Score: 2, Informative

      First, most search engines will helpfully correct typos in domain names for you. I'm sure that the averag euser finds this behavior a LOT more helpful than a page saying "Nope, can't find it."

      Second, domains don't necessarily end with any of the TLDs you listed. In fact, the path you're routing to might not end with a TLD at all - servers on your intranet, or in your hosts file, often don't have TLDs. Treating a URL that differently purely on the basis of whether it ends with a .somedamnthing seems pretty pointless to me.

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    15. Re:It is just trying to be helpful. by jon3k · · Score: 1

      No such option in IE8. Interesting how convenient they make it, isn't it? I mean, it's not like they make money off the search page or anything.

    16. Re:It is just trying to be helpful. by kdavvson · · Score: 1

      Slashdot is smarter than you think.

    17. Re:It is just trying to be helpful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it becomes a bad thing when you do it for non-existent domains. When you type something without the domain name, its assumed you are searching for something, when you enter a non-existent domain, its sorta like dialing a wrong number. I'd rather the phone system tell me I have a wrong number rather than trying to get me where it thinks I want to go. If I call 555-555-5555 chances are I want 555-555-5555, it should not assume that I want 555-555-XXXX. When I want to go to something .com, .net, .org, or another domain, I want it it to show me the domain, if there is no domain, tell me there is no domain.

      What country are you intending to dial? You didn't specify a complete phone number. It seems that what you really mean to say is "If I call 555-555-5555 chances are I want +1-555-555-5555" By your logic, shouldn't it give you an error since you didn't explicitly declare the country code? How about implied area codes? If you dial 7 digits, should it connect you to the local number matching those digits or give you an error? Phone carriers have always implied the intention. Where's the outrage over this "abuse"?

      As previously stated by a much more knowledgable poster, this isn't about standards, it is about preferences. If you don't like searching from the address bar, turn it off.

      This is such a non-issue it's ridiculous. The settings are available to disable the behavior you don't want so you can modify the behavior without impacting the rest of the users. Since even your own preferences are inconsistent from application to application, I'm sure you don't expect everyone else out there to want the exact same thing.

  7. Confirmed by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Informative

    IE 6 and 8 (don't use 7 anywhere). Both redirected to BING ....

    The funniest thing we have ... our filter (k-12 schools) blocks BING LOL. ... here is the report ...

    Category: Image Servers & Image Search Engines

    Blocked URL: http://www.bing.com/search?FORM=DNSAS&q=www.DoNotHijackMe.com&adlt=strict

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    1. Re:Confirmed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      blocks BING? You also have Google blocked then?

    2. Re:Confirmed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we block webmail.
      That includes gmail.com, and live.com. It's too bad MS failed to separate bing.com from live.com, so that bing is often blocked mid-search.
      Maybe they'll fix it, or maybe we'll just keep referring users to google.com
      I know I'm not going to take time away from slashdot to figure out a work-around.

    3. Re:Confirmed by PPNSteve · · Score: 1

      Indeed confirmed..
      I just tested it in my IE8.. I have Google set to default and entering www.DoNotHijackMeAgain.com into the address bar brought up a Google search page.

      Absolut187 (816431): THANKS FOR THE SOLUTION!
      Deselecting search from address bar "fixed" it for me.

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    4. Re:Confirmed by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Google is not blocked, because the filter automatically selects "Use strict filtering", for all searches. It has issues with some legit content for some of the High School classes, however those teachers are armed with override accounts that get audited.

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  8. OMG!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you mean to say that Microsoft is trying to use their market share to determine how people use the internet?! This is shocking to me.

  9. hmmm i get it on IE7 by hurfy · · Score: 1

    I get a search page on bing.com using IE7 but didn't update today :( I think i have previous updates except IE8.

  10. IE8 Fully up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage

          What you can try:
            Diagnose Connection Problems

    Nothing to see here. Move along !!

  11. Bad Posts by Microlith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yet another stupid, linkless, flamebait article.

    Come the fuck on guys.

    1. Re:Bad Posts by jpmorgan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously, this is the stupidest article I've seen on slashdot in a while. I tried on IE8 on this computer and it sends me to a google search. Oh noes!!! Google and Microsoft have teamed up to hijack NXDOMAIN!

      No, IE is just sending you to your default search engine. If you never use IE you probably never changed its default selection of bing/live search. And this isn't NXDOMAIN hijacking! This is an application interpreting an NXDOMAIN response and acting on it in a sensible way.... the kind of behavior that NXDOMAIN hijacking breaks. Seriously, this is a fucking stupid post.

    2. Re:Bad Posts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've honestly more or less stopped coming here because of stories like this. I used to come here for news for nerds, and now it is just (often completely baseless and unverified) Microsoft bashing. Some of the headlines lately verge in libel.

    3. Re:Bad Posts by GeckoAddict · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One word: kdawson

    4. Re:Bad Posts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. Why is this nerd-raging idiot still a slashdot moderator?

    5. Re:Bad Posts by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      I think this one is still dumber:

      http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/16/2259257

      But not by much. Slashdot constantly out-does itself in the "retarded submission" category.

      It could potentially be entertaining if the editors approved these with some indication that they understood how retarded they were, as some kind of a "haha look at the stuff we have to look at" joke. But, no, instead they always come through dead-pan serious.

    6. Re:Bad Posts by mrcleaver · · Score: 1

      In fact as a Firefox user I am pretty sure this feature started with Firefox before it made its way to IE

    7. Re:Bad Posts by dhavleak · · Score: 1

      Seriously, this is a fucking stupid post.

      Seriously, kdawson is a stupid fucking mod.

  12. I'm not saying if it is good or not by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    I'm saying what it is doing, and why. It isn't "hijacking" it is trying to be helpful to users that mistype a domain.

    1. Re:I'm not saying if it is good or not by causality · · Score: 1

      I'm saying what it is doing, and why. It isn't "hijacking" it is trying to be helpful to users that mistype a domain.

      If I do something incorrectly, the most helpful thing at that point is to let me see that it caused an error. The idea that an error would confuse me or be too much for me to handle and so must be avoided at all costs is a good way to prevent me from learning why my original attempt didn't work and how it may be done correctly in the future. It's also somewhat insulting. It assumes that not only am I just a "point-and-drool" type of user, but that I wish to remain that way.

      I wonder if this behavior would interfere with domains that are intended to route through a VPN. If I understand it correctly, domains that are specific to the VPN would fail to resolve with an NXDOMAIN error, at which point the secondary DNS (the one belonging to the VPN) would be used that would then point to the correct internal/VPN IP address. What impact, if any, does this behavior have on remote, Web-based intranet applications?

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    2. Re:I'm not saying if it is good or not by jon3k · · Score: 1

      Ah helpful, of course, that explains the paid advertisements. Gee, thanks Microsoft. Maybe they could send me some spam when I mistype an e-mail address too!

  13. MS Back to their old ways? by MLCT · · Score: 1, Redundant

    I don't know if it is just my perception, but it feels like MS is back to their old ways with a lot of their activities these days - particularly with regard to anything web facing.

    After what felt like a few years of roughly being fair with things, we seem to have had a spate of underhand moves recently. Off the top of my head I can list installing firefox extensions through windows updates without asking (spooking a lot of people including myself - "1 new extension installed what? I didn't install anything"), upgrades to IE8 presenting the user with a complex series of choices - one that implies you should opt in to their accelerator program or IE8 won't install, and the other offering you an express set of installation options or else click through a large number of preference screens - while failing to mention that express settings set IE8 as the default browser.

    And now (if true), engaging in DNS hijacking to drive visitors to their search site. Can they just not accept user preference at all?

    1. Re:MS Back to their old ways? by cmacb · · Score: 1

      I don't know if it is just my perception, but it feels like MS is back to their old ways with a lot of their activities these days - particularly with regard to anything web facing.

      At what point did you think that they had left their old ways? The most annoying aspect of their old ways to me was that they were constantly lying about what their intentions/directions were. They did after all start working on OS/2 as the future direction for Windows. More recently they hired a single Open Source guru and did some still mysterious deals with Novell which have done more to make Novell look like Microsoft than they have to make Microsoft look like Novell.

      If you don't think they intend to lie cheat and steal to beat Google then I have some property I'd like you to look at.

    2. Re:MS Back to their old ways? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is WRONG with you people? Why do you real Slashdot stories like this one and instantly come to the conclusion that the story is accurate? Or even remotely true?

      Look, maybe this is your first day, so let me clarify it: Every story on Slashdot about Microsoft is at least misleading; most are outright false . Repeat that mantra a few times until it sinks in.

      No, this isn't Microsoft "going back to their old ways." This is some moron finally discovering a feature that IE has had since version 6, and possibly before, and going off on some crazy rant with no basis in truth. IE is only redirecting people to Bing because Bing is set to the default search provider!

      Please, please, I beg you, DO NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ. In fact, on Slashdot, don't believe *anything* you read unless it's been confirmed elsewhere.

  14. This is a tempest in a teacup. by Hittis · · Score: 2, Informative

    IE is - as stated above - being helpfull, as a program should be. It is not a "hijacking" since the program requesting the DNS-lookup is IE. This is nothing like having NXDOMAIN, transparently, changed into something it isn't on the network-level.

    In one case the program gets to decide what to do and in the other someone else is telling your program that the expected result is something else.

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  15. *mods article Overrated* by Looce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IE 6 has always been doing stuff on auto.search.msn.com if you entered URLs whose domain name didn't exist.

    This is not news.

    Nothing to see here, move along.

    1. Re:*mods article Overrated* by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      No, its not news its slashdot. The editors realized we havent gotten our two minutes of hate today. How childish and predictable. No wonder no one takes this place even remotely seriously.

  16. OP completely misses the point... by Manip · · Score: 1

    The problem with REAL null domain hijacking is that it breaks software. It breaks VPN clients in a BIG way as well as anything else that searches the Intranet for services. Since this is only active within the web browser and entirely possible to disable, it is far from the big hassle that ISP based hijacks are.

    Firefox also does exactly the same thing. Also easy to disable.

    1. Re:OP completely misses the point... by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It breaks VPN clients in a BIG way

      It breaks really shittily configured VPN clients/networks in a BIG way.

      WTF is your VPN doing attempting to resolve VPNed hostnames through your default ISP connection, rather than using a nameserver on the VPN? I'd fire your network security guy, before you get bitten in a big way by a DNS "MITM" - I use quotes because it's really Man In The Wrong Place At The Right Time Who Gets Lucky Because Of An Insecure VPN, but that's not quite as catchy.

    2. Re:OP completely misses the point... by aztektum · · Score: 1

      He *is* their network security guy you insensitive clod!

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    3. Re:OP completely misses the point... by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Oh I dunno, MITWPATRTWGLBOAIVPN is a pretty cool one, too.

  17. Hmmmm... by Mesa+MIke · · Score: 1

    Using IE 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_qfe.090206-1239:
    I just tried it and I got hijacked to a Google page sponsored by Dell.

    My computer is a Dell.

  18. most likely not dns hijacking by mzs · · Score: 1

    IE is not DNS server. What is most likely happening is that with some registry entry a certain way and a certain set of patches, when IE gets a NXDOMAIN when doing a domain name lookup it then does a bing/google/yahoo search (depending on another registry entry for your preferred search engine). It used to show a page with a red X.

    This is not DNS hijacking. If somehow Windows now had a caching DNS server that substituted a IP address that then redirected to a bing search or something of that sort, that would be DNS hijacking. This is IE the client trying to handle NXDOMAIN errors in a helpful way. Hopefully this is customizable like I expect. The only thing about this is that if the default is bing that increases exposure and ad revenue for Microsoft. It does not break the internet like DNS hijacking does.

  19. You can in IE8 as well by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    In the options menu there's a setting "Search form the address bar." You can change that to not submit unknown addresses. It is just the default behavior, not the mandatory behavior.

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  21. Non-Issue by ammorais · · Score: 1

    This is a non-issue.
    Why the hell this articles keep coming when there are plenty of real issues about Microsoft, IE.

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  23. No mystery here by jeffcuscutis · · Score: 3, Informative

    I just tried it = www.DoNotHijackMe.com in IE8 and Google loaded.

    It's caused by a setting Tools -> Internet Options -> Advanced -> Search Options and "Just Display the results in the main window" is selected. If "Do not submit unknown addresses to your auto-search provider" is selected, if it can't find an address it submits it to your default search provider.

    No mystery.

  24. I nominate this article by forgottenusername · · Score: 1

    For worst article ever not written by Jon Katz to be published on slashdot.

  25. Not news by any measure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, IE has been doing this for ages. Second, this is not bad behavior. It doesn't have the downsides that an ISP hijacking NXDOMAIN does. It could even be helpful.

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  27. Works as designed by davidwr · · Score: 1

    http://wwww.asdfasfasfs.asdfasfasdfsaf.com/
    gives you "Internet explorer cannot display the webpage"

    wwww.asdfasfasfs.asdfasfasdfsaf.com
    gives you search-engine results for your default search engine.

    Nothing for you to see here.

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  28. Re:Disgusting, But Totally Ineffective Microsoft by Admodieus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought that was the ignorance siren that I heard. Where do I start?

    150 million wasted on the latest rebranding of their failed search product. No effect on marketshare

    Actually, it stole a percentage point of Google's market share last month. I don't think anybody expected it to gain 70% market share overnight. Except maybe you?

    Mass numbers of suspicious posts on Net messageboards all parroting the same talking points: "I'm a long time Google users and I decided to give Bing a try and By Golly! I'm switching!"

    Suspicious? Really? I saw somebody the other day on a Macbook Pro using Bing willingly. It's anecdotal evidence. There's nothing suspicious about it. It happens to some people, not everyone. I'm sure there are people who used Live Search before and switched to Google or Yahoo.

    Paying floundering Yahoo to use their search engine

    I won't argue with the state of Yahoo, but this has the potential to double the usage of Bing, and make it a much more formidable opponent to Google. It was a good deal.

    * Putting up fake news story items on Microsoft web pages that are really nothing more than hidden Microsoft search links attempting to inflate the search marketshare

    Haven't seen an example of this yet. Provide one and I'll yield this point.

    * And now this crap The rate Ballmer is throwing billions at their failed search efforts looks like it may actually outdo Microsoft 8 year long Xbox fiasco for.

    Read the first few comments - it goes to your default search provider, which is Google if you set it to. And I hate to be the bearer of bad news for your anti-Microsoft sentiments, but the XBox division is doing pretty well for itself right now. They've made Sony a laughing stock this generation.

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  30. Is this not what you wanted? by characterZer0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every time an ISP starts hijacking NXDOMAIN responses, dozens of comments suggesting that this should not be done by the ISP but in the browser get modded +5 and are generally agreed with.

    So MS made their browser do it. What is the problem?

    (Other than using a monopoly in one market to get one in another.)

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    1. Re:Is this not what you wanted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct. The user agent (the web browser in this case) is the right place to react to NXDOMAIN. The browser has to tell the user something. Instead of just telling him "wrong domain, dumbass" it can try to be helpful and show him some search results. This is not a violation of internet standards, because the communication between the browser and the DNS server is as specified. The user interaction is not subject to RFCs.

      A problem with changing the behavior in case of NXDOMAIN is Microsoft-specific because Microsoft is a monopoly and has previously been convicted of unfairly using its monopoly status to expand into new markets. If the user had previously changed the search provider or otherwise disabled the search-on-NXDOMAIN feature of the browser, then reenabling the feature or switching to Bing could be seen as leveraging the desktop OS monopoly to push Bing, which would be illegal.

    2. Re:Is this not what you wanted? by Dhalka226 · · Score: 0

      dozens of comments suggesting that this should not be done by the ISP but in the browser get modded +5 and are generally agreed with.

      Other than you, I've never seen anybody suggest that.

      Error messages mean something. They shouldn't be hijacked by anbybody from anywhere. True, it's worse at the ISP level because it would even interfere with, for example, a shell script that was relying on the error codes to decide what to do, but that doesn't mean it's good at the browser level either.

      I shouldn't have to scan around a search engine's page to determine what the hell just happened to me, assuming it even bothers to say anywhere that I typed something wrong instead of just dumping me there or "helpfully" providing a list of things I might have meant (sorted by advertising dollars and then relevancy, of course). An error code response should come up as an error, plain and simple.

    3. Re:Is this not what you wanted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The browser should do it, at it should be doing it by default, because those that need it (otherwise they will call the help desk to complain that the internet is broken when they misspell something) don't know how to change defaults.

      Those of us who actually read an error message are already changing all the default anyway.

      Besides, one of the great things about Firefox, back when it was called Phoenix (or even earlier) was that when you mistyped something, it would do a "Google Feeling Lucky" search for you.

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  32. MS late as usual, Time Warner doing it for a while by emeade · · Score: 1

    The roadrunner search does have an opt out though.

  33. Standard IE functionality...? by pjotrb123 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Most if not all versions of IE (6+, and probably older ones too) have a feature called search from address bar. With this setting enabled, anything typed in the address bar which does not resolve to a website, is passed on to the default search engine, whichever that may be.
    Perhaps a recent update turned this feature ON for people who had it turned OFF? But the feature itself is most definitely not new or news.

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    1. Re:Standard IE functionality...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. It's also possible that these are people that used to get "Windows Live Search" when they made a mistake and now get "Bing!" instead.

      (Windows Live Search no longer exists - "www.live.com" redirects you to "www.bing.com"; so any web-browser installs configured to go for Windows Live will now automatically go to Bing instead.)

    2. Re:Standard IE functionality...? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bingo.

      The truth, it looks like, is that MS updated the search service in IE and may have changed the default settings. The old default was disabled with Live search being the first option selected. The new default is probably to have it enabled with Bing as the first option - Bing has definitely replaced Live in the list of search providers.

      Calling it "Hijacking" a non-existing domain name is a bit over-the-top. Chances are nobody thought us geeks would be too slow to pick up on what actually happened rather than getting our collective panties in a bunch about a non-issue.

      Does anybody really think MS is stupid enough to switch on mass-DNS hijacking? Did everybody get stupid all of a sudden?

      Makes the statement from the first MIB movie seem all too true: A person is smart, but people are stupid (paraphrase).

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    3. Re:Standard IE functionality...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You are correct. After upgrading to IE8 on one of my virtual test machines, I found that all URLs that do not resolve to a site resulted in a Bing search. I little research into the settings revealed that the this feature was enabled and the default search engine was set to Bing. I added a the Google search engine and set that to my default and issue resolved.

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  35. F^(#ing morons. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    both comcast and M$ are hijacking me.

    M$ is truly stupid in giving the following redirection from http://192.168.1.254 which is on my local subnet:
    http://www.bing.com/search?FORM=DNSAS&q=192.168.1.254

    F^(#ing morons.

    1. Re:F^(#ing morons. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what you're doing but it certainly doesn't do that for me. If I type something silly in the address bar like glkda;giu it does redirect me to a google search page though.

  36. Phishing filter? by argent · · Score: 1

    I tried www.donothijackme1234.com and I got a pop up asking if I wanted to turn the phishing filter on (you can tell how much I use IE on this computer).

    I wonder if turning that on/off makes a difference?

    (I clicked "turn it off" of course)

  37. Re:Solution to "hijacking" by characterZer0 · · Score: 1

    End of discussion. Everybody go rant on a different article.

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  38. Missing something? by merlin3000 · · Score: 1
    Not only does the OP miss the point completely (since what happens is that you are rerouted to the default search engine). But Am I missing something? Using that link I I'm redirected to some fat guys shirts page.

    I'm getting kind of self-conscious.

  39. Re:IE7 - no hijacking here by D'Sphitz · · Score: 1

    Some fatass peddling t-shirts is apparently hijacking that site for me.

  40. Does a helpful search for you by orev · · Score: 1

    All IE is doing is performing a search for whatever you typed in, if it can't find the domain. If your search engine is set to Bing, it will search there. My search engine is set to Google, so it searches there.

    Nothing to see here, other than FUD perpetrated by the ./ community.

  41. news? nah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate to be the one to tell you this, but this is not news. IE has been doing this for a very very long time.

  42. kdawson needs to go by kuzb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, how many bad articles does this guy have to post before he gets thrown off the slashdot team?

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    1. Re:kdawson needs to go by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Typical KDawson - Some anti-MS screed that turns out to be bogus. The man is useless as an editor.

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    2. Re:kdawson needs to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's pretty clear kdawson isn't an actual person, it's just an account the editors use to post rubbish like this.

    3. Re:kdawson needs to go by Inda · · Score: 1

      If only that were true.

      His website, CV (haha, go read it), and other history seems like too much effort to cobbled together...

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  43. QUIT IT ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot is getting boring and boring with the anti-ms propaganda ! Cut the crap and quit it !

  44. Been happening a while already... by shrtcircuit · · Score: 1

    Right about the time Bing went public, I noticed IE7 on a virtual machine I hadn't patched in a while magically started sending me there instead for bad URL's. Whether this was a redirect of MS Live Search, or something where IE had a Bing "timebomb" enabled at some point once MS knew when the service would light up, it's something I surely didn't enable -- and am having a very hard time disabling. Fortunately I use FF for everything except a couple work apps that still cling to IE, so my forced Bing episodes are few and far between.

    Guess if you can't win 'em over with marketing, you can force them through redirection. I'm just waiting for MS Antitrust 2.0 to come out.

  45. Question by carrier+lost · · Score: 1
    IE6 and IE7 installations are now routing all NXDOMAINs to Bing.

    Where are they sending visitors to slashdotted sites?

  46. RFC1034, RFC1035 and RFC2065 by Medievalist · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Can you point me to the relevant RFC, or at least a standard from a recognized standards body which is being violated here?

    It depends on how they are doing it; if they are preventing transmission of NXDOMAIN to userland, then RFCs 1034, 1035 and 2065, mainly. Also RFC2308 and 1536 and 4074 and probably others depending on specific circumstances.

    Check out RFC1035 section 4.1.1, RCODE 3.

    It can be (and will be, right here) argued that the browser is a presentation layer tool that already exists in userland and thus Microsoft preventing users from seeing that a name does not exist (and redirecting them to an advertising engine) is not a standards violation. Certainly the behaviour of the big ISPs like Verizon and Comcast, which actually prevent the client machine from ever seeing the NXDOMAIN response, is a much more heinous violation of standards.

    In any case the expected, well standardized behaviour of DNS when asked for a non-existent name is embedded in a great deal of existing work, including user guides and scripts, which is why technically knowledgeable people are usually pretty pissed off by this sort of greedy foolishness even when it's just happening in the browser.

    1. Re:RFC1034, RFC1035 and RFC2065 by Wuhao · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think you've grabbed every DNS-related RFC you can find, hoping that I had not read them. I have, and so I will ask you to be more specific. Which part of RFC 2065 (DNSSEC) is violated? Are you suggesting that IE is a poorly-implemented DNS caching server which does not cache negative results (RFC 2038)? I'm particularly curious why you cited RFC 1536. Did the subject of the conversation turn to whether IE is appending your local domain to DNS queries for non-explicit FQDNs?

      The only specific citation you've made from the DNS-related RFCs is about structuring the DNS header. I have yet to see anyone point to any claim that IE sends improperly formatted DNS headers. What they ARE doing is presenting your NXDOMAIN result accompanied by results for a search on the missing domain.

      I still do not see a standard which requires a browser or other application's response to an NXDOMAIN to not accompany it with search results, and I do not believe one exists. If your script relies on IE presenting NXDOMAINs in a specific way, then you have a badly-written script, and you shouldn't have expected it to keep working.

    2. Re:RFC1034, RFC1035 and RFC2065 by jon3k · · Score: 1

      So we have to violate RFCs for something to be abhorrent, disgusting and reprehensible now?

    3. Re:RFC1034, RFC1035 and RFC2065 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ancestor post claimed that standards were violated. I asked which standard, because I do not believe any recognized standard has been violated. In any case, since you've claimed that this is "abhorrent, disgusting and reprehensible," I challenge you to back that up. At best, I think you could say "it decreases usability." While inconvenient, that's hardly "reprehensible."

    4. Re:RFC1034, RFC1035 and RFC2065 by Wuhao · · Score: 1

      The ancestor post claimed that standards were violated. I asked which standard, because I do not believe any recognized standard has been violated. In any case, since you've claimed that this is "abhorrent, disgusting and reprehensible," I challenge you to back that up. At best, I think you could say "it decreases usability." While inconvenient, that's hardly "reprehensible."

      Whoops, somehow posted that anon. Must have hit the box by mistake.

    5. Re:RFC1034, RFC1035 and RFC2065 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually wish that IE sent malformed DNS headers. It would be fantastic because then ISPs could detect the header and only highjack NXDOMAIN requested by IE. Hell, I wouldn't even mind if FireFox, Chrome, Opera, etc sent similarly malformed headers. But unfortantly IE probably uses the standard DLLs for resolviing DNS, because they don't need to reinvent the wheel, I hope.

      BTW, the captcha word being blacks sounds a little racist.

    6. Re:RFC1034, RFC1035 and RFC2065 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      since you've claimed that this is "abhorrent, disgusting and reprehensible," I challenge you to back that up.

      Since those words describe subjective feelings (look 'em up) they hardly need "backing up". If the poster feels horror, disgust, and anger when s/he considers the topic, then s/he may correctly use those words.... since we're getting all pedantic here.

      At best, I think you could say "it decreases usability." While inconvenient, that's hardly "reprehensible."

      Thank you for your permission to say these things! Woo-hoo! Incidentally, I find decreased useability and inconvenience totally reprehensible.

      Thanks, I'm just here for the nachos. Try the ones with the black olives.

  47. Sorry for confusion... someone edited the post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (original poster here) You're right, I'm not as up on the networking side as I am the code side, and I didn't use the correct terminology when I said "hijacking". However, the NXDOMAIN stuff was added by someone else who edited my post before putting it up on the site; I haven't the slightest idea what NXDOMAIN even is. So yes, I'm ignorant in that regard, but not so much so as to throw out terms I don't understand and give a wildly false report.

    Basically, what it's done is force-feed all of our machines Bing as a default search engine (it had been Google). It's one thing if it shipped that way, but this just happened all of a sudden and our sales force (who are not exactly IT-savvy) freaked out and started calling in virus reports when the behavior changed without warning.

    Sorry for the confusion. Still, sucks what they did.

    1. Re:Sorry for confusion... someone edited the post by Wuhao · · Score: 2, Insightful

      (original poster here) You're right, I'm not as up on the networking side as I am the code side, and I didn't use the correct terminology when I said "hijacking". However, the NXDOMAIN stuff was added by someone else who edited my post before putting it up on the site; I haven't the slightest idea what NXDOMAIN even is. So yes, I'm ignorant in that regard, but not so much so as to throw out terms I don't understand and give a wildly false report.

      I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the editor for this. I saw your original post on the Firehose, in which you claimed Microsoft is redirecting 404s -- this would be monstrous and bad, and while "hijack" is a term you can quibble over, your original report was significantly more dire, and objectively false. A 404 is the HTTP response when you ask for a file that's not on the server. In this case, we don't even get as far as asking the server for the non-existent file, because we can't find its IP -- so we get the 404's cousin in DNS, the NXDOMAIN. The editor caught your mistake and corrected it.

      Basically, what it's done is force-feed all of our machines Bing as a default search engine (it had been Google). It's one thing if it shipped that way, but this just happened all of a sudden and our sales force (who are not exactly IT-savvy) freaked out and started calling in virus reports when the behavior changed without warning.

      Sorry for the confusion. Still, sucks what they did.

      If I understand you right, you're saying that your salespeople were used to being directed to Google. So, you guys were already comfortable with this behavior from a technical standpoint, and you're annoyed that it changed from Google to Bing. I'm not an IE user, so I don't know exactly how this behavior worked, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if I were in your position and learned that Microsoft has decided to stop using their browser to promote their competitor in favor of their new product.

      From reading the comments here, if you don't want it to use Bing, you can tell your sales guys to set Google as their default browser, because it sounds like that's what it's redirecting to. And as a guy who really dislikes Windows, IE and Microsoft in general, let me say that sounds like a reasonable enough deal.

  48. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Of course, the "Slashdot effect" (of everyone trying "donothijackme" in their browser) has now caused an increase in the requests for that domain, and now someone (wisely) has purchased the domain www(dot)donothijackme(dot)com and re-directed THAT to their primary web page...interesting use of an unrelated article to promote one's own business.

    I chose not to link to that site again in this post. Just doin' my own little part to not artificially inflate his traffic numbers.

  49. Microsoft Bob Hope and IE8 tighten their grip by David+Gerard · · Score: 1

    Microsoft today heeded the lessons of technological history, taking the popular "preview porn videos in the search engine" feature and turning its Bob Hope "decision engine" into a porn finder at the address explicit.bobhope.microsoft.com, that loads automatically in Internet Explorer whenever you go to a site that doesn't exist.

    "It worked for VHS over Beta, porn sites were leading innovators in online payments. It's a natural synergy," said Steve Ballmer, looking somewhat sweaty and flushed.

    Porn sites are some of the keenest users of Microsoft technologies, using the undocumented interfaces in Internet Explorer to install helpful toolbars and bulk email tools on users' systems. "It's all about tools," said Mr Ballmer, looking rather too excited. "Our tools have amazed people for decades. Microsoft are famous for the biggest and best tools ever. Developers! Developers! Developers! DEVELOPEEERS!"

    Internet Explorer 8 is a vital part of the promotion. After a competition that advertises IE8's superior standards compliance with a site that deliberately breaks all other browsers, a programme to donate eight free meals for the poor for every IE8 download (with the cost of the meals being 10% of the spend on promoting them) and a string of free porn sites requiring a Silverlight download to watch the smut, IE8 Service Pack 1 will include a "boot straight into porn" mode. "We found that was what users really wanted in an operating system. I mean, browser. They're inseparable, you know." It will include the Storm, Conficker and FBI botnets as standard. "If you can't beat âem, join 'em." The system will also set up automatic deductions from your bank account and credit card.

    Mr Ballmer promised that Microsoft will, as always, deliver. "Unlike porn sites, we don't just tease -- we really will fuck you. Now bend over."

    Picture: Steve Ballmer ecstatic at the fifth great quarterly results in a row.

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  50. www.DoNotHijackMe.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like how someone just registered www.DoNotHijackMe.com and is directing traffic to http://www.fatguyshirts.com/. Now all of you can finally find some clothing.

  51. Re:IE7 - no hijacking here by Fozzyuw · · Score: 1

    And it didn't take long before a /. registered the domain and redirected it to the silly T-shirt store.

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  52. Re:IE7 - no hijacking here by EkriirkE · · Score: 1

    It's configurable since IE vForever.0

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  53. IE8 running on XP in a VirtualBox.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...redirects to Bing when I type in a random-string URL

  54. Ignoring kdawson now by kindbud · · Score: 1

    I know you all wanted to see me post that. Such a primmadonna (kdawson, not me)

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    1. Re:Ignoring kdawson now by Wuhao · · Score: 1

      Seriously, I haven't ignored an editor since Jon Katz. kdawson is like Slashdot's Fox News.

  55. @Editor: remove the link by codeonezero · · Score: 1

    You're giving free advertisement to some jerk who registered the domain to grab attention to his site. http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIsVerify.aspx?domain=donothijackme.com&prog_id=godaddy

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    1. Re:@Editor: remove the link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet another moron who thinks "random" words can't possibly be a registered domain. There are top level domains specifically reserved for this purpose, you fucking moron.

  56. Really Foolish by omb · · Score: 0, Troll

    This kind of oppresive nonsense is why no one trusts M$ and do not want to upgrade XP even in Fortune 50.

    Will they ever learn, this is just counterproductive. The shareholders should go after the management. Carl?

    1. Re:Really Foolish by omb · · Score: 1

      Astroturfer, this nonsense is yet another M$ bad idea that fools no one!

  57. If the browser is doing it then it isn't hijacking by nedlohs · · Score: 1

    It's the correct solution for that "problem" with no "splash damage".

  58. Easy to explain if you've ever helped salespeople by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since we IT people know how [cough] smart [cough] sales people can be sometimes, I bet this is a simple scenario to spell out...

    - Sales guy works for a place that does not have forced updates via network policies.
    - Sales guy using OLD IE without updates is used to seeing "LiveSearch" in his search bar.
    - Sales guy computer breaks for some unrelated problem.
    - IT hero comes to salesperson's aid.
    - IT hero updates the computer so it's up to date with patches.
    - "LiveSearch" changes to "Bing" with one of the updates (no big deal if you are in IT).
    - Sales guy freaks out because the label in the search box changed names.

    Trust me. I've seen this happen. I once re-organized a salesperson's desktop icons, and he got really pissed off because the 400 icons on his desktop were now in alphabetical order.

  59. Confusing the service with the client... by Photo_Nut · · Score: 5, Informative

    Domain hijacking is a huge deal for me.

    Your description is confusing the browser trying to resolve your broken DNS request with an ISP hijacking your DNS request.

    Primarily, when I'm on an internet connection that's hijacking the domain, if I type 'amazon', firefox first checks if I have an amazon in my searchdomain (ie: amazon.example.com)

    No. When you're on an internet connection that's hijacking the domain, amazon resolves to a 'service' provided by your ISP even though it's not a registered domain.

    , and if not, it tries adding a .com, then a www. and a .com...

    What you mean is that if your ISP's DNS service works correctly and tells you that amazon.com doesn't exist, your web browser (Firefox in this case) has some heuristic for trying other DNS queries in an attempt to help you, and when those queries are exhausted it takes you to a search engine.

    if the ISP is hijacking it, I get an answer to 'amazon' with the hijacked page. This means that I have to type the .com every time.

    Which is what you should have written first.

    So you have to type .com when you mean amazon.com. Yeah, that's like saying that I have to write Plymouth, MA next to 02364 on my address. The postal service is run by people, and usually, they can figure it out, but if the address is wrong, it's your fault, even if they helpfully fix it for you.

    with a browser doing the same thing, I could be trying to connect to my primary server (wolverine) and if I mistype the webaddress, it redirects me to bing, changing my URL bar to the bing URL which means that when I've typed 'wolverine/some/really/long/path?with=variables' I have to go type that whole thing over again to correct it rather than just fixing it in the addressbar.

    So turn off the feature which searches with the default search engine when your DNS query fails.

    If you want to bypass DNS for your machines, put your own entries in your "/etc/hosts file" (%WINDIR%\System32\drivers\etc\hosts on Windows). Also, you can run your own DNS service locally.

    so, hijacking the DNS is a BITCH and is totally annoying all the time.

    Only if you aren't technically savvy enough to use a web browser. After you type amazon.com in once into IE or Firefox or Chrome these days, the autocompletion helpers from your recent history usually have enough context that shift+enter (in IE anyway, not sure about the others) takes you where you want to go.

    The real problem with DNS servers hijacking broken requests is that they lie to network tools, not just web browsers. This can cause serious problems. DNS is used for more than just HTTP.

    1. Re:Confusing the service with the client... by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Here here!

      My god, this service has existed since they launched IE6, it is simply turned off by default.

      Hit the big "Search" button in the toolbar, and hit customize, and you can change what search provider the address bar search uses. You can disable/enable/change the address bar search option in Internet Options/Advanced.

      They obviously recently updated the list of service providers to replace Live search with Bing. My guess is they changed the default address bar search behavior also, and anybody who was using the defaults got changed over.

      Nobody seems upset that Chrome does this by default, or that FireFox can do this too. Frickin hypocrites.

      Seriously, get ahold of yourselves people, you're really getting upset that IE tries to find the website you were looking for instead of saying "Website not found"? And it's somehow DNS hijacking? Get a grip people!

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  60. Re:RFC1034... That's Life by uassholes · · Score: 1

    I tried to find something, and the closest I could come up with was 2308, but I don't think that really addresses this problem.

    But, I do agree that it's a problem. I do not want any program that I use to access the internet, to connect to a host:port that is not the one that I specified.

    Having said that, I do understand that it is the MS way to try to hide technical complexity from their users, and that it will provide additional income to MS, Yahoo, ISPs, and others.

    So, being technical, I will continue to not use MS or my ISPs DNS servers, and will help others as best I can.

  61. Chicken Little news reporting by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!"

    Apparently next time this happens, please try changing your default search engine to something else besides Bing. Better yet turn off the search option for invalid URLs and "Dummy Proof" IE so you won't get fooled again.

    Of course I use Firefox as my main web browser so I don't suffer from stuff like that. I refuse to get fooled again by IE.

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  62. Another bs article like this... by FunPika · · Score: 1

    And I'm heading into my preferences to make it so kdawson's articles no longer appear for me. :/

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  63. WOW! by AnAdventurer · · Score: 1

    My cable internet service does that here too. They default to Yahoo, (WHY?) but you can op-out and/or choose your own search engine. In 2 years of rare use (ie accidental, miss-typing) I have only had to reset once.

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  64. Someone set us up the bomb! by strstr · · Score: 1

    I just tried it and it routed me through Google search.

  65. Re:Easy to explain if you've ever helped salespeop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, but why are they all posting here?

  66. IE8 with Blank Default by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It does it on mine. Typed in www.xy31lsdf.com (garbage url) and immediately went to Bing. So it is true for me as well.

  67. Re:Disgusting, But Totally Ineffective Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right, this took me all of 5 seconds to figure out that it was the default search provider. Come on slashdot, step up your game.

  68. Easy enough to fix... by rgviza · · Score: 1

    Open %WINDIR%\system32\drivers\etc\hosts in notepad.
    At the bottom of the file add this:

      66.102.1.147 www.bing.com bing.com

    Save it. This will point you to google and break the hijack. Feel free to use any IP you want.

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  69. It sent me to FatGuy Shirts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the title says.

  70. Hijacking by sglines · · Score: 1

    Some guy here saw a loose domain and hijacked it away from Bing. Check out this whois and the start date: whois donothijackme.com Registrant: John Johnson 43545 Tell You Las Vegas, Nevada 85698 United States Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: DONOTHIJACKME.COM Created on: 11-Aug-09 Expires on: 11-Aug-10 Last Updated on: 11-Aug-09 Administrative Contact: Johnson, John jjohnson@hjgtrd.com 43545 Tell You Las Vegas, Nevada 85698 United States +1.7674548596 Fax -- Technical Contact: Johnson, John jjohnson@hjgtrd.com 43545 Tell You Las Vegas, Nevada 85698 United States +1.7674548596 Fax -- Domain servers in listed order: NS31.DOMAINCONTROL.COM NS32.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

  71. Re:Disgusting, But Totally Ineffective Microsoft by Alsee · · Score: 1

    They've made Sony a laughing stock this generation.

    I don't think Sony needed much help on that point.

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  72. Probably not a lot. by tjstork · · Score: 1

    That is since this afternoon when someone clever realized an unregistered domain was about to receive a s;ashdotting. Wonder how much those ads earned him today.

    Probably not a lot. While I've never had the full benefit of a good slashdotting, I've posted links to my own content sometimes when I felt it to be relevant. Its not a profitable adventure, so, guys looking to make a quick buck will probably be disappointed. Most slashdotters either don't click on ads when they go from slashdot to other sites, so you can get a lot of traffic but with no clicks.

    Incidentally, this is probably why newspapers are so pissed off at content linkers in general. The content linker gets the ad revenue but when people jump to the original article, they read the article, then jump back to their original integration point, whether it is slashdot, drudge, or somebody else.

    I would think if you were going to try and get yourself slashdotted, I would do it with the expectation that you are going to take a good server beating, not make any immediate money off of it, and go forth from there. It's more of a name recognition thing, then anything else, and the real hope is that the content you provided has some innate legs to it such that some fraction of the people that slashdotted you will spread it themselves via "internet of mouth" and then from there that will, over the long term, grow your site more organically.

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  73. You didn't have to make it belligerent. by Medievalist · · Score: 1

    I think you've grabbed every DNS-related RFC you can find, hoping that I had not read them.

    You're welcome to think whatever you want.

    I have, and so I will ask you to be more specific.

    What am I, a twig to be bent? Well, OK, I will feed the troll.

    Which part of RFC 2065 (DNSSEC) is violated?

    I specifically said that you can make an argument the standards are not being violated. These standards are not necessarily defined to exist at the presentation layer. You've chosen to ignore that part of my statement. With that caveat, RFC2065 section 5 specifically defines NXT returns for non-existent hosts - you ask for something not present, you get a description of the range of non-existent hosts that contains the requested name. You follow? There is DATA returned, Microsoft is removing it from the response when it directs you to a search page; if you think it's OK for presentation layer tools to re-interpret returns from DNS in a way that removes content by default without the consent or knowledge of the user, then that's OK - otherwise it's a violation of RFC2065 because the record returned has been munged in transit to the user.

    Are you suggesting that IE is a poorly-implemented DNS caching server which does not cache negative results (RFC 2038)?

    No. I haven't checked, so I would not suggest that.

    I'm particularly curious why you cited RFC 1536. Did the subject of the conversation turn to whether IE is appending your local domain to DNS queries for non-explicit FQDNs?

    The subject of the conversation, as I see it, is whether it's OK for IE (presentation layer) to behave in a way that ISPs (transport layer) should not. Tangentially, I guess you are not aware that currently shipping Microsoft operating systems cache DNS, and that current versions of IE only work on Microsoft operating systems.

    The only specific citation you've made from the DNS-related RFCs is about structuring the DNS header. I have yet to see anyone point to any claim that IE sends improperly formatted DNS headers.

    This is getting tedious. Are you simply missing the point, or are you purposely misdirecting the conversation to exercise your typing skills? IE is shortstopping the bad status return and substituting a valid page lookup. Some people don't like that, and if you believe that the standards control the presentation layer as well as the communication on the wire, then you'll see this as a standards violation.

    What they ARE doing is presenting your NXDOMAIN result accompanied by results for a search on the missing domain.

    Didn't I just say that? Some people find it offensive. I would consider it stupid and a waste of my time, if I used IE. But I rarely use IE, because it is a crappy browser that doesn't run on half my systems anyway, and personally I can look up how to change the behaviour anyway.

    I still do not see a standard which requires a browser or other application's response to an NXDOMAIN to not accompany it with search results, and I do not believe one exists.

    Perhaps you should write one, then. I don't see any standard which requires applications to not explode and not spit acid in my face. It's somewhat unusual (though not unknown) for RFCs to have negative specifications.

    If your script relies on IE presenting NXDOMAINs in a specific way, then you have a badly-written script, and you shouldn't have expected it to keep working.

    As far as I'm concerned, if your script relies on IE, you have a badly written script. Yet I am aware of several dozen in constant use at several large hospitals, and I am sure there are tens of thousands out there (at least).

    Y'know, I was just tr

  74. Appearance did not meet intent, I guess by Wuhao · · Score: 1

    I can see that we've mutually misinterpreted one another's tones and meanings. My apologies if I came off more rudely than I intended. If we're going to continue this discussion, then let me clarify my tone in the opening sentence that I think you found provocative: I had intended it to be challenging in the style of two guys having a sporting conversation about a subject they both know quite a bit about, as opposed to downright insulting. I can see why that may not have come off as intended, however, particularly since a fair number of posts here really are simply insulting. I agree that the "flamebait" tag was inappropriate. All that aside, I am glad to read your reply. If you're interested in continuing this conversation with a bit more mutual understanding, then so am I. On to more interesting matters.

    You mention that this is a standards violation if you believe that the RFCs governing DNS also govern presentation-layer applications which utilize DNS. I don't see this to be the case, and I don't really see how that could be justified based on the content of the DNS RFCs. They define, in rigid detail, how DNS is structured, and how clients and servers may request and transmit information. The actual use of that is left to the application.

    But let's say that's not true. Let's say, hey, the application using DNS has a requirement to faithfully present all information that would be meaningful in every response to the user. Obviously, this can't be done in a literal sense. I can't take the exact section you quoted, which defines how DNS clients and servers express an NXDOMAIN, and hand that off to the user, unless I expect them to read and decode the packet by hand. If I'm an application, I HAVE to render that in a way that's actually helpful to the human being who's operating me, and the exact way I do that is certainly not defined in any DNS-related RFC.

    Still, I think a reasonable presentation is being made here. The goal here is not to trick the user into thinking that "www.amazon.ocm" is a valid domain which happens to be Bing (or whatever their default engine is), but to make them aware of their mistake, and take a shot at presenting a nice graphical way for the typical user, to get where she meant to go. After all, when Joe Blow types in a bad URL, here's about as much as I bet he'll actually read from Firefox's default response:

    "Server not found"

    and here's how much information he'll glean from that:
    ""

    Offering a list of possible things that you might have meant is really not such a bad take on how to approach this. I agree that this is a pretty noisy way to accomplish that, and I'm not going to be anxiously watching the Firefox release notes to see when they add it, but the concerns you and I have are pretty different from the concerns of the overwhelming majority of users.

    On a more technical point, I don't doubt that there are scripts that rely on IE in certain respects. But, if you're expecting IE to present an error in a specific way when you ask for something that's not there, and you use that in a mission-critical (or heaven forbid, as in your hospital example, life-critical) application, Microsoft is about the last door you should knock on to lay blame.

    If anything, it might be nice if they shook things up a bit more often to remind such people that their browser isn't exactly a sturdy foundation on which to rest your scripts.

  75. You're quite right, I think. by Medievalist · · Score: 1

    I've always thought it insane to script an application you don't control, especially a constantly-updating security-sensitive end-user application, but people keep doing it. It's usually a stereotypical Dilbert situation; pointy-haired IT boss purchases software to help doctors, if he admits software sucks he will lose face with doctors and possibly lose income, so Asok or Wally has to make it work. If Asok gets the job, it gets done competently but the user interface is too technical and the doctors hate it, if Wally gets the job he scripts IE to do something magical and PHB gets a raise. Nobody knows why it breaks a year later, but it won't be blamed on PHB buying garbage (the salesman took him on a golfing junket and got him to sign a contract drunk). More likely it will be blamed on the vendor, or even more likely, on Dilbert who was completely uninvolved.

    The people who work in such places will always find some way to screw things up, of course. It's almost Darwinian.

    I personally would like to see all the browsers present options in a more transparent way; I don't think end users are as stupid as the IE designers think they are. For example, on getting an NXDOMAIN the browser could say this:

    "No web server found at URL sexy.foxterriers.com

      perhaps sexy.foxterriers.com is not the correct name?

    Click here to search Bing for information about sexy.foxterriers.com"

    That way you'd get the clueless user assistance function without unrequested search lookups. Instead, the browser just does whatever the default says the user probably wants, and the way to change that behaviour is buried among many other confusing options several layers deep in the configuration interface. Instead of attempting to subtly educate the user (notice how I snuck in an explanation of what URL means by context?) they assume ignorance and thus propagate it.

    I tried to make that a https:/// link, incidentally, but unfortunately bing.com seems to have a bogus akamai cert.

    1. Re:You're quite right, I think. by Wuhao · · Score: 1

      Agreed. If one is unwilling to accept the browser deciding to make that extra page request, your solution is quite nice. I think the question just then becomes, what's "acceptable" for a browser to do?

      I think as a user, I have to assume that when I click a link or type in a URL, my browser can be making just one HTTP request from one domain, or 100 HTTP requests from 100 different domains, depending on what resources are referenced in the HTML. I might even get redirected to another site entirely.

      So, given that, I guess I wouldn't be too torn up if my browser ends up at Google or Bing or whoever -- once again, providing the big provision that there is SOME indication of why I ended up there, and for as interesting as the discussion is, I thus far haven't been able to motivate myself to find a patched Windows box to test it on.

      For myself, I tend to gravitate towards the solution that takes me as close to where I want to be as possible. The ideal in my mind would be a browser that can magically identify the site I thought I typed in, then take me to it. Obviously, that's not going to happen. But, second to that is a browser that can say "hey, that ain't right, and here's my best shot at what you meant." So I guess what I'd REALLY like would be a small modification of yours:

      "There does not appear to be a web server named sexy.foxterriers.com. Perhaps sexy.foxterriers.com is not the correct name? Did you mean sexy.foxyterriers.com?"

      where sexy.foxyterriers.com is the first hit on a search for sexy.foxterriers.com on the search engine. It's an extra query to the search engine, but it wouldn't need any supporting requests for images or other resources. In the interim, maybe the browser can be smart enough to say in place of the recommendation sentence, "please wait while we search Bing, your search engine of choice, for a recommendation." If that request times out, it can say, "It is possible that your Internet connection is not functioning," or some variant thereof.

      Of course, that depends on reliable extraction of the URL from each supported search engine, and I'm sure there are issues there.