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How the Pirate Bay Will Be Legalized

Death Metal sends along this excerpt from Torrentfreak about how Global Gaming Factory, the company who is buying The Pirate Bay, plans to change the site in order to avoid the wrath of the entertainment industry: "In a letter addressed to [shareholders], the company confirms that the new Pirate Bay will become a pay site, while revealing some additional details on how GGF plans to legalize it. To please the entertainment industry, GGF will install a system that will allow the copyright holders to either authorize the 'illegal' torrent or have it removed from the site. If the copyright holder chooses the first option, they will be compensated every time the file is downloaded. In addition, the board says that it will pay penalties if it has to. 'The holder will be able to leave the file and obtain compensation or ask for removal of the file. GGF will also pay any penalties that may arise,' the GGF board announced."

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  1. Model by pete-classic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, the business model is to take away the things that people are probably most interested in, and start charging for whatever is left?

    I can't wait for the IPO!

    -Peter

    1. Re:Model by grub · · Score: 2, Funny


      This is modelled after the "Start paying your $699 licensing Fee you cock-smoking teabaggers" business plan.

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    2. Re:Model by MaerD · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe. I think what they are going for is a "pay a monthly fee and get all the games/music/etc you can download" and plan to pay the rights holders from the monthly fees..
      I doubt that will really happen without DRM out the ying-yang, which will lead to the model of "oh crap, we're bankrupt".

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    3. Re:Model by Desler · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's so good that none of the responders so far have clue #1 how torrents work!

      Torrents contain a SHA-1 hash of the individual chunks of the file, split anywhere from 64KB to 4MB, to be shared. It also contains the announce URL which the URL of the tracker that will index the file. The torrent is then indexed by the tracker which maintains a list of the peers and seeders and is used to help facilitate connections between each of the peers in the swarm.

    4. Re:Model by interploy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the future, this will be the poster child for business schools for how not to make a business plan.

      "Let's take a site synonymous with software piracy, alienate all the current users by making it legal, then try to sell it to all the other people who still think of it as the 'bad bad illegal download site'."

      Maybe someone should inform them there are already legitimate markets for what they're trying to do: Netflix and Steam anyone?

    5. Re:Model by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed. There are already a lot of sites out there for the same thing. Granted, many of them are private and invite only, but they'll usually open their doors to the public every now and then. Once you build a good ratio at one you can usually get people on that one to give you an invite to others.

      The bottom line is the internet is an incredibly adaptive creature. It responds to the will and desires of it's users. If the users want to exchange "intellectual property" for free, then they will find a way. Always have, always will. I remember downloading stuff from BBS systems decades ago. I remember grabbing games and software from Usenet binary groups. I remember downloading Starcraft, MP3's, and video game ROM's for emulators from 0-day FTP sites. I remember when Napster was introduced and when severless systems like Gnutella came about. The methods have changed (and become more and more advanced), but I can't remember any time in history when one couldn't stroll onto the internet and with a little effort find pretty much anything you wanted to download.

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  2. the by-nobody-going-there-anymore dept. by clone53421 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the looks of their plan, nobody-going-there-anymore is about right.

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  3. Wow by GofG · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Will it keep the name "The Pirate Bay"? That name implies piracy.

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    1. Re:Wow by jerep · · Score: 4, Funny

      They're thinking about renaming it "The Ninja Bay"

    2. Re:Wow by BlueKitties · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's stupid. There's already a Ninja Bay. (And don't say you haven't ever heard of it, it's the NINJA bay, that's the point.) There server is at the center of the Earth.

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    3. Re:Wow by ionix5891 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "The Kamikaze Bay" seems more appropriate

  4. If they go through with this by grahamsaa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The pirate bay will soon be very legal. . . and very dead.

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  5. Sooo by Dyinobal · · Score: 2

    So anyone know what the new pirate bay will be? I'm not exactly up to date on what trackers are currently the best.

    1. Re:Sooo by Hatta · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The best trackers are all private, and niche oriented. And then there's that thing nobody talks about.

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    2. Re:Sooo by Crimson+Wing · · Score: 4, Informative

      So anyone know what the new pirate bay will be? I'm not exactly up to date on what trackers are currently the best.

      Mininova, TorrentReactor, Torrents.to (formerly ISOhunt) for general torrent needs. For anime, check datorrents.com.

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    3. Re:Sooo by moxley · · Score: 3, Funny

      DRAT!

      Foiled by anonymity again....

      But beware, you have violated the code of usenet, several rules of which are "never mention usenet," as well as promoting an indexing website that allows the uninitiated access to some of our secrets....and should the guild find you, well.....I don't think I have to tell YOU what will happen.

    4. Re:Sooo by Shadow-isoHunt · · Score: 4, Informative

      Torrents.to is *not* isoHunt.

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    5. Re:Sooo by skeeto · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is a tracker (supposedly) by the guys that started TPB: http://openbittorrent.com/

      They are only a tracker, and don't host any .torrent files. That way they can't know what is being tracked. You'll have to get the torrents themselves from somewhere else.

  6. not gonna work by pak9rabid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's like buying a whore house and getting rid of all the whores.

    1. Re:not gonna work by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's a ridiculous analogy.

      It's much more like when you've gatecrashed a party full of drunken horny half naked cheerleaders, when suddenly all the hot ones disappear, and the fugly ones turn into whores.

      Seriously, if we can't get whore-based analogies right, then we're no better than animals, or Belgians.

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    2. Re:not gonna work by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      a party full of drunken horny half naked cheerleaders, when suddenly all the hot ones disappear, and the fugly ones turn into whores. Seriously, if we can't get whore-based analogies right

      Maybe I've looked at the wrong teams, but the lesser half of a druken horny half named cheerleading team turning into whores still sounds pretty good to me...

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    3. Re:not gonna work by TheSpoom · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm sorry, as much as whore analogies are fun, I can't understand what you're saying when there are no cars involved.

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  7. How much will the pay site cost? by badfish99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The copyright holders are now getting fines of about $100000 per illegal download, if I remember correctly. So if the Pirate Bay will pay this as compensation every time it slips up, it's going to have to be a rather expensive pay site, isn't it?

  8. check riaaradar.com by Dan667 · · Score: 4, Informative

    When you buy music, make sure to check http://riaaradar.com/ to see if the album is from a company that funds the RIAA. If they do, don't buy it and stick it to them a couple dollars of lost earnings at a time.

    1. Re:check riaaradar.com by Spewns · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, if you're talking about The New Pirate Bay, I doubt you're going to be able to choose where your monthly fee (or whatever) is going. All the cash will go into a common pool, and you're going to be funding the MAFIAA even if you don't touch any of their content - which is the biggest reason why you shouldn't use the new site. If you're just talking in general, I agree.

    2. Re:check riaaradar.com by Dan667 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Typical deals with RIAA labels return ~1% of profits to the Artists so your not hurting the Artists if you don't buy it. They make most of their money from concerts. riaaradar.com is the best way to know if when you buy music the Artist will be taken care of.

  9. misunderstanding the issue by Aurisor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The IP cartels' opposition to piracy isn't just about the piracy itself; they are scared to death of the creation of a decentralized alternative to their existing systems for finding and exploiting artistic talent. The only reason they would embrace *any* method of distribution they don't have total control over is absolute desperation.

    It's not about monetizing piracy. If they can't sell you a new version every couple years, control release dates, price a product differently in different regions, censor products for certain markets, or control how the product is presented then your distribution channel is a *threat* to them and they are going to try and take it down. If a kid can record a hit album with two grand worth of hardware and software - and, even worse, distribute it with two hundred bucks worth of hardware, how can they make their millions?

    It's not about money. It's about them retaining the control they need to foist their ideal business model on the rest of the world.

    1. Re:misunderstanding the issue by damburger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is the difference between money and control? You take a nation, you divide up control of its productivity into a couple of trillion units, and you call those units 'pounds' or 'dollars' or 'euros'. The idea that the economy is something pure and abstract which can be separated from the grubby world of power and control is a fallacy spread by neoliberals, who want to convince you that corporations are somehow more ethical and accountable than governments.

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  10. Re:Neat by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They are not trying, the guys that owned TPB are goign to take their cash and run giggling all the way while the company that bought it will stand there looking at a fresh turd in a paper bag and ask... Wait, this is not what we though it was....

    Kudos to TPB leaders, they got a sucker to buy their golden gate bridge.

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  11. So let's see if I get this straight. by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 5, Insightful
    • It's legal for me to make a backup copy of my media, in case of theft or destruction, except that owning or building the tools to allow me to create the copy is not legal -- although arguably this makes any turing machine attached to a CD/DVD/Blu-Ray drive illegal.
    • It's legal for me to watch tv or listen to radio for free by receiving transmissions, and I can even record them and keep the recording indefinitely as long as I only use it for personal use, but it's illegal for me to stream media over the internet and capture the stream, and it's illegal for me to transmit over the internet.
    • It's legal for me to trade or lend CDs, DVDs, etc. with friends I know, or to buy or sell used copies, as long as they're legitimate (not pirated), but it's illegal for me to use the internet to facilitate either the search or the trading or to expand my group of "friends", even though I could go to a public library and essentially achieve the same ends by swapping media with a large group of people (the public) who I don't actually know.
    • If something is out of print, or censored, or otherwise unavailable, but copyrighted, I have no legal recourse to obtain a copy.

    Did I miss anything?

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    1. Re:So let's see if I get this straight. by Desler · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's legal for me to watch tv or listen to radio for free by receiving transmissions, and I can even record them and keep the recording indefinitely as long as I only use it for personal use, but it's illegal for me to stream media over the internet and capture the stream, and it's illegal for me to transmit over the internet.

      Yeah and? Fair Use has never allowed you to rebroadcast copyrighted content without consent of the copyright holder whether it be on the internet or through a TV transmitter.

      It's legal for me to trade or lend CDs, DVDs, etc. with friends I know

      Actually this can be arguable. It's more of a gray area that is most likely ignored.

      or to buy or sell used copies, as long as they're legitimate (not pirated),

      Yes, this would be the First Sale Doctrine.

      but it's illegal for me to use the internet to facilitate either the search or the trading or to expand my group of "friends",

      You've never had the right to willfully facilitate copyright infringement. This is a 36 year old precedent. I suggest you look up the ruling on Elektra Records Co. v. Gem Electronic Distributors, Inc.

      even though I could go to a public library and essentially achieve the same ends by swapping media with a large group of people (the public) who I don't actually know.

      Yes, because this falls under fair use. Your previous example has never been considered fair use.

      If something is out of print, or censored, or otherwise unavailable, but copyrighted, I have no legal recourse to obtain a copy.

      Why would you have a legal recourse? No one is obligated to sell you a product, let alone sell you one in the form you desire.

    2. Re:So let's see if I get this straight. by Desler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG.

      No it's not. You don't have the right to publicly broadcast someone else's copyrighted work without their permission. Such a right for the copyright holder is codified in the 1976 Copyright Act. There are exceptions but streaming copyrighted content on the internet without a license isn't one of them.

    3. Re:So let's see if I get this straight. by Desler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Copyright isn't something you have innately, it is something that is gifted to you for a limited time in EXCHANGE for making that material available.

      The problem with this statement is that it's pure bunk. There is no obligation on the part of the copyright holder to make their content available to purchase in order to maintain their copyright.

    4. Re:So let's see if I get this straight. by shaitand · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The statement was to the purpose of copyrights, not the requirements for getting one.

      I don't remember saying anything about existing laws or requirements being functional in accomplishing that purpose.

  12. DHT Hash sites by Danathar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You know what is going to happen? We are going to get sites that do nothing but list DHT hash URI's (or maybe just the hashes) instead of torrent files. I wonder how the powers that be will take that?

  13. Try google.com by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just add "filetype:torrent" to the end of your search, eg.

    watchmen filetype:torrent

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  14. The biggest irony of all is... by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The biggest irony of all is that by getting wildly rich the guys from TPB make it more attractive for other people to set up torrent sites. The RIAA is just cutting a single head off a huge hydra.

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  15. Multifail! You get zero points! by Hurricane78 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Pirate Bay already *was* legal. What they did now, is openly state that they themselves think it's not legal. Which would probably be the biggest failure they could possibly do.

    If it weren't for their plan to try, what a bazillion of other sites tried in this exact form, where they all failed horribly without exception, and where there still are retards trying it again and again. Are they drunk? Did they learn nothing? Did they never read the news? Or is it like flies flying into an bug zapper?

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    1. Re:Multifail! You get zero points! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Pirate Bay *was*, even by the laws, perfectly legal. They did not offer anything protected trough copyright. They offered unique IDs, and sources of where to get something like that. But that is also true for the catalog of a video rental store. Or a link list to an internal database of copyrighted material. If the actual *holder* (the source) gives it away without having the right do to so, *that* would have been copyright infringement. Everything else is not.

      Indeed. "Everything else" is aiding and abetting. When you know that a guy is using your service to illegally distribute copyrighted material because the copyright holder himself repeatedly tells you that's the case, and you just tell him to fuck off, and keep helping the guy doing what he does... no, it's not illegal in and of itself - but if the guy does indeed turn out to be infringing on someone's copyright in the end, then you have to take your share of responsibility.

      In any case, I am not a Swedish lawyer, but I bet that neither are you, and we don't know all the nuances of Swedish law to really judge if the verdict was bought, or was merely applying the law as intended. And virtually all secondary sources of information available to English speakers are biased, some extremely so (so please don't give me any Groklaw links, or I'll hand you a bunch of RIAA ones).

      Of course, if a court somewhere rules in a way that goes against your beliefs, then it's easy to dismiss it as a conspiracy theory with bribed judge and/or jury, and those mysterious guys with big pockets. But you should also entertain the thought that, perhaps, your beliefs just aren't all that mainstream outside Slashdot...

  16. so... by SCHecklerX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who is going to pay the people who take the time and effort to encode (pirate, if you must use the term) the stuff? Yeah, it's not their original content, but certainly the *value* in the stuff you get from TPB is the format, and that stuff doesn't just magically happen, you know. I mean, if I wanted a permanent copy for myself, I could rent and rip myself. But I have better things to do with my time. And for stuff I only intend to watch once, well, TPB is a better option than blockbuster or netflix.

  17. Profit! by AttilaSz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. Create a moderately funny home video. Heck, create crappy home video.
    2. Upload to PirateBay
    3. Instruct your 1000+ machine BitTorrent botnet to download it 24/7
    4. Ask GGF to pay royalties for downloads.
    5. Profit!

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  18. What about the subscription? by williamfrantz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unfortunately, step 3 of the plan ignores the new subscription fee TBP will expect from all 1000+ of your BitTorrent bots. In the end you are just paying yourself or somehow stealing money from the owners of the bots.

  19. Re:Price by LandDolphin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    " I am also downloading Star Wars in HD. Bought the movies in VHS years ago, so certainly not going to pay full price for it again. "

    If you don't want to pay for it in a better format than the format you purchased it in, than jsut enjoy it in its VHS format.

    Just because you've purchased a copy of it (what 10+ years ago?), does not make you any less of a "pirate" than someone who has never purchased a copy. It certainly does not make your downloading of the content any more "justified".

    You've shown in your post that their is a desire to obtain the content, but you are to cheap to be willing to pay for it.

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  20. How do out-of-print works promote the Progress? by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If something is out of print, or censored, or otherwise unavailable, but copyrighted, I have no legal recourse to obtain a copy.

    Why would you have a legal recourse? No one is obligated to sell you a product, let alone sell you one in the form you desire.

    If nobody can sell me a copy because nobody knows who owns the right to sell me a copy, how does this situation "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts"?

  21. The best alternative: OneSwarm by wealthychef · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Check out OneSwarm. It does not relly on a central tracker. Already has enough users that the first search I did was a hit, download speeds are awesome, and privacy is much better than ever was with piratebay. Copyright holders cannot track you with this.

    FTF website:

    OneSwarm is a new peer-to-peer tool that provides users with explicit control over their privacy by letting them determine how data is shared. Instead of sharing data indiscriminately, data shared with OneSwarm can be made public, it can be shared with friends, shared with some friends but not others, and so forth. We call this friend-to-friend (F2F) data sharing.

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  22. Re:Price by shaitand · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A new format does not a new copyrighted work make.

  23. Re:"Legalized"? It wasn't ever illegal! by Paleolibertarian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That word would be cowed. As in ordinary people just trying to make a living are cowed by threats and intimidation and overt buying of judges and juries by the corporations who actually controll the governments of the world and always have.

    Essentially the new TPB is now paying protection money to IP owners whether the infringement is illegal or completely legal such as "Fair Use."

    Anyone who goes up against a large corporation which has a huge well paid legal department and expects justice from the courts is a fool.

    Sure there may be small victories here and there but "small" is the operative word. This is why the courts had to create the Class Action suit so that the people who know they're getting sodomized could feel like there was some way they could obtain justice.

    It's the same reason that democracies let the people vote. The people still get sodomized but they feel good when they vote out the current sodomizer until they get sodomized by the next.

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