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New Motorcycle World Speed Record, 367.382 mph

An anonymous reader, apparently a member of the BUB racing team, wrote to let us know that on Thursday, their crew set the new ultimate motorcycle world speed record at 367.382 mph with the BUB Seven Streamliner at the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah. The Seven is powered by a 3 Liter, turbocharged, 16-valve V4 engine that produces a claimed 500 hp and 400 lb-ft of torque at 8500 rpm. The pilot, Chris Carr, hit 380 mph during the run.

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  1. For those SI unit addicts. by Polarina · · Score: 3, Informative

    367.38200 mph = 591.244017 km/h

    1. Re:For those SI unit addicts. by selven · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're clearly not a good "SI addict". The correct answer is 164.23 meters per second.

    2. Re:For those SI unit addicts. by Eudial · · Score: 4, Funny

      Who uses SI anyway?

      For those of us in the civilized world, it's 116,730,878 smoots / fortnight.

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    3. Re:For those SI unit addicts. by ubrgeek · · Score: 3, Funny

      And for those of us normal people, it's Pretty F'ing Fast.

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    4. Re:For those SI unit addicts. by zippthorne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      3x terminal velocity of a person in a balloon suit. Terminal velocity depends on shape, density, and size. An aerodynamically designed motorcycle is going to beat a person in a loose-fitting garment in that area any day of the week.

      Further, terminal velocity is not necessarily "terminal" the way you're making it sound (a mouse walks away, a horse splashes and all that. see Haldane), and has nothing to do with horizontal translation anyway: terminal horizontal velocity, the speed at which wind resistance and other forces balance, if you're not including the powerplant in those forces, is precisely zero.

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    5. Re:For those SI unit addicts. by Hojima · · Score: 4, Funny

      Does it make me a bad person if the first thought that crossed my mind when seeing this article was wondering how far the guy would fly if I pulled a trip wire the second he hit 360? Yea, I think so.

    6. Re:For those SI unit addicts. by bennomatic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Doesn't make you a bad person, just a bad mathematician. If you know the guy's speed, it's really just a matter of determining the angle of trajectory to find the distance. If you're going for a land speed record, you can be pretty sure that they chose a day where wind wasn't a significant factor.

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    7. Re:For those SI unit addicts. by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 5, Funny

      Alternatively, 532.25 attoparsecs per picocentury.

    8. Re:For those SI unit addicts. by fullgandoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      At first it looked to me like 367,382 mph in the summary. And I thought for a while that the speed of light had been breached finally (by a motorcycle) without going into warp and driven by someone named Bubba.

      Yes, yes, I know that's mph.

    9. Re:For those SI unit addicts. by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 5, Funny

      To give you a more concrete feel of just how fast that is, it's about 3.25922905 * 10^-67 Universe diameters per Planck time.

    10. Re:For those SI unit addicts. by Megatog615 · · Score: 3, Funny

      How about Libraries of Congress?

    11. Re:For those SI unit addicts. by nigelo · · Score: 2, Funny

      And I have no idea how loud it was at top speed.

      Eleven, I imagine.

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  2. Re:And this is on slashdot why? by andy666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't even have a license. Anecdotally, it seems that techies drive less than other people, unless of course they live in someplace like silicon valley. But I'd bet there's less interest in cars and motorcycles among computer geeks than, say, mechanical engineers. Anyone what to chime in with their preferences/opinions?

  3. "Ultimate" by ari_j · · Score: 5, Funny

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    1. Re:"Ultimate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

      It refers to a specific SCTA class, and has nothing to do with your grammar pedantry. Good (uninformed) try, though chap!

  4. Not mentioned in the article... by GameMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

    What they don't mention in the article is that they strapped the driver dow nto the motorcycle and dropped them both from a really tall building...

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    1. Re:Not mentioned in the article... by Matey-O · · Score: 4, Funny

      Funny thing that...you drop it off a building and it wouldn't go this fast. You need downforce and traction. Dude's got balls of Depleted Uranium.

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    2. Re:Not mentioned in the article... by Jawn98685 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I doubt that one tenth of one per cent of /. readers would recognize the name, but Chris Carr does indeed have the anatomical qualifications for this gig, having multiple dirt-track motorcycle championships on his resume. And that's "dirt track" as in oval speedway, not that sissy-boy stadium-racing-cum-bump-jumping that has captured the media's attention for the last 25 years. Motorcycle "flat track" racing is the province of what are arguably the bravest racers on two wheels. Pitching the bike sideways and using a combination of throttle and body-english to steer it through the corner of a slippery clay track, at well over 100 miles per hour is nothing if not ballsy. Doing it fast enough to win multiple AMA championships, including a staggering six consecutive titles, certainly indicates the presence of heavy metals in the guy's leathers.
      Congrats, Chris, on bagging yet another major accomplishment in an already legendary career.

  5. Re:not a record by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apparently, the controls were taken from an F-4 fighter jet. But if you look at some of the pictures underneath the shell it looks slightly more motorcycle-like.

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  6. Re:not a record by Trepidity · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To quote the Oxford English Dictionary, which isn't always definitive but I think in this case captures the common meaning well enough, a motorcycle is:

    A two-wheeled motor-driven road vehicle, resembling a bicycle but powered by an internal-combustion engine

    The vehicle linked does not at all "resemble a bicycle", at least as commonly defined (enclosed two-wheel vehicles are not usually considered "bicycles").

  7. Re:And this is on slashdot why? by master5o1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    What the article doesn't tell you is that the motorbike was running Linux and the driver was thinking about the best car analogy while he was driving.

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  8. Car Analogy? by similar_name · · Score: 4, Funny

    I need a car analogy before I can understand this.

    1. Re:Car Analogy? by von_rick · · Score: 2

      Imagine a spherical car with uniform mass distribution...

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  9. Motorcycle? by siddesu · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a biker with a long graying beard, lemme point out that whatever that thing on the picture is, it damn sure ain't a motorcycle.

    1. Re:Motorcycle? by Known+Nutter · · Score: 2, Informative

      define:motorcycle
      a motor vehicle with two wheels and a strong frame

      I do, however, agree with you both. That ain't no motorcycle.

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    2. Re:Motorcycle? by cyphercell · · Score: 2, Informative

      The monicker "streamliner" defines the bike as a different class of motorcycle with historical precendent.

      If this is the car http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThrustSSC and this is the trike http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_of_America, then I don't see why the streamliner can't be the bike.

      Instead of criticizing, you might take pride in the fact that the motorcycle land speed is still the last that isn't set with jet engines dragging rubber across the ground.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_land_speed_record

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    3. Re:Motorcycle? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I trim my greying beard from time to time, so it may not be as long as yours. But, I remember all the Harley heads laughing at my bike. "Riceburner" they called it. The only things they had more contempt for were cagers - and it was a close call at that.

      IMHO - this is a bike. A very specialized bike, true, but a bike all the same.

      I never managed to get my KZ900 up to the speed record set by the Z900, but I managed to get to ~180. Not bad, IMO. Maybe there will be a production bike made someday based on this Seven. Maybe no. I mean, the reason I never got the KZ going any faster, was that I didn't have a long enough straightaway to go any faster. Where do we find a straightaway to crank our machine up to double that speed?

      Whatever. It takes plenty of balls to get out on the street with the 4-wheelers, and it took the same kind of balls (if bigger) to crank this bike up to 360 MPH.

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    4. Re:Motorcycle? by dltaylor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As a motorcyclist with gray in my beard, too, I totally disagree.

      Two wheels, power other than human-generated applied through a wheel to the surface (not jet thrust); that's as much a motorcycle as there is. Sure it's purpose is limited, but that's true for all motorsports-specific bikes.

      No way is a supermoto racer as useful a street bike as any of the ones I have at home. The MotoGP and World Superbikes are too small and cramped for a lot of people, and can't even be left unattended without a stand that isn't part of the bike. Drag race and hill climb bikes have wheelbases that are utterly impractical on the street. There are customs that are beautiful sculpture, but uncomfortable, to sit on, yet they have engines driving wheels and CAN be ridden. All of them are motorcycles. Just because the low-drag fairing is closed and the rider/pilot needs assistance getting seated (road racers have to have assistants steady their bikes while mounting, too), doesn't disqualify that as a motorcycle.

      Got watch "World's Fastest Indian" and stop flaunting your narrow, overrated opinion of what constitutes a "motorcycle".

    5. Re:Motorcycle? by jo42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Harley

      AKA "Paint shaker made from farm machinery".

    6. Re:Motorcycle? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but it's still two wheels and a power plant. The streamlining is required at those speeds, no matter how may wheels, or how you sit on it. Google "The World's Fastest Indian" That bike was streamlined almost as much as this Seven, with only the rider's head sticking out. But, it was obviously an ancient Indian motorcycle when you opened up the sides. The movie is worth watching too! ;^)

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    7. Re:Motorcycle? by TangoMargarine · · Score: 2, Funny

      And ironically, the guy who drove it was named "Carr." :-)

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  10. Re:And this is on slashdot why? by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Funny

    My wife says it's boring because it wasn't done by three guys in Hamtramck who bolted a V8 onto a Harley and made a fairing out of oil drums.

    I find it interesting because it is about engineering. "IndyCars", on the other hand, are boring. All the cars are identical so it's just about the drivers. Who cares about the drivers?

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  11. Splat! by qw0ntum · · Score: 2, Funny

    If the /record/ speed is 367.382mph, but during the run the driver reached 380mph, I could imagine he must have been very uncomfortable smashed against the windshield of his "motorcycle".

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  12. Re:not a record by ZosX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I found this part particularly inspiring:

    "The shape of 'Seven' is based on that of a Coho Salmon. While watching TV Denis noticed the fluid dynamics of the salmon through water. Knowing that water is more dense than air- Denis figured the shape would work very well at Bonneville. Wind Tunnel testing of Seven at the A2WT proved 'Seven' to have the lowest CoD of any streamliner- 0.09. "

    There's nothing more beautiful than taking the best designs from nature and applying them to our own.

  13. Re:And this is on slashdot why? by MachDelta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This all boils down to how you define geek.

    I'm an automotive mechanic. My friends and family would also consider me to be a big geek. I fix their computers (yes yes, cars too), I build my own (computers, I haven't built a car from scratch... yet!). I love gadgets and hacking stuff together, and I have an abnormal interest in technology related politics (my girlfriend calls me paranoid). So to the general public, i'm a geek.

    Among the Slashdot crowd, I don't have quite the same geek credentials. I don't use any flavour of Linux (besides the occasional liveCD like Backtrack) because my PC is a gaming rig first and foremost. I'm not a sys admin or a programmer. The last thing I "programmed" was fifteen years ago and written in BASIC. I don't run a website, and the extent of my HTML knowledge is frames and tables. I hate math and I don't get off on exciting new prime numbers or subatomic particles. Oh, and i've only played D&D like, twice. It was fun but time consuming. Am I still a geek?

    My personal opinion is that geek has moved far beyond the 1980's definition of pocket protectors, glasses, and a calculator. Geeks come in all flavours now, from classical computing and math geeks all the way into sports and automotive geeks. The microprocessor really has changed the way we see the modern world, in virtually every way. A geek is now anyone who shares both a passion for a subject and the thirst for related knowledge, no matter what that subject may be.

    The geek shall inherit the Earth. :)

  14. interesting stuff is in links from the second link by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    IMO the first linked article was not very interesting. To get to the interesting stuff, you have to go to the second linked article, then click through to the links from there. The pictures of how they fabricated the engine block are really cool. I was surprised there wasn't more info about the tires. My understanding was that tires were the main limiting factor in land speed records -- or maybe that's only for cars. Tires tend to fly apart when rotated that fast. I would assume that at these speeds they get incredible gyroscopic stability, so I guess you don't have to worry about tipping over. They have to run the course in both directions without messing with the engine, which apparently is quite a challenge. I wasn't clear on what's involved in turning around to come back. The bike has both brakes and parachutes. Does the driver actually brake and do a steered u-turn at low speed, or do they use parachutes, then pick the thing back up and turn it around by hand?

  15. Re:interesting stuff is in links from the second l by ffreeloader · · Score: 3, Informative

    When doing a LSR run at Bonneville you have something like a half hour between runs. They let you refuel and check the vehicle over between runs for safety reasons. If you have a problem and can't make it back to the starting line on time you're toast. You one-way run doesn't count for anything.

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  16. Re:interesting stuff is in links from the second l by MachDelta · · Score: 2, Informative

    They'll probably turn it by hand, most land speed vehicles have a tiny, tiny amount of steering angle to keep a sudden twitch on the driver's part from turning into a two mile long barrel roll.

  17. Re:And this is on slashdot why? by bhtooefr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, spec series are about the driver's skill, which is pretty much what sports are about - the skill of the players.

    However, it's much more fun to go out, get a cheap Miata, or if FWD is more your thing, a cheap Civic or Golf or something, and autocross it, than to sit around watching a spec series, IMO. Then, it's about honing your own skill, not watching others. (But, you can learn techniques from watching how they handle situations, so watching them can still be educational.)

    Of course, the American Le Mans Series is ridiculously fun as a spectator series. Multiple classes of cars of varying power outputs, weights, visibility, handling, and (often) driver experience all out on the track at once, and the drivers and cars are surprisingly accessible. Oh, and it's about as far from a spec series as it gets - you can easily have a big heavy (ok, 900 kg/1980 lb, but still) V12 diesel car and a light (825 kg/1820 lb) 4-cylinder turbocharged gas car fighting for the lead of the entire race, the whole way, meanwhile weaving their way through traffic caused by big slow production-based cars.

  18. Re:And this is on slashdot why? by dangitman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My personal opinion is that geek has moved far beyond the 1980's definition of pocket protectors, glasses, and a calculator. Geeks come in all flavours now, from classical computing and math geeks all the way into sports and automotive geeks.

    My personal opinion is that geek still means carnival folk who bite the heads off chickens. "Nerd" or "boffin" are my preferred terms for people who are excited or obsessive about technical things. "Geek" has too many connotations of falsity, they remind me of the web-bubble MBA types who wouldn't like being called nerds, and think that "geek" has cooler connotations. But there's nothing cool about biting the heads off chickens.

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  19. Re:And this is on slashdot why? by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Informative

    > I held that opinion for quite a while, but later came to amend it. I find it
    > even more boring when it's like the Formula One races were for several years,
    > with Nissan coming in 1st and 2nd every time because they came up with a
    > particularly effective turbocharger.

    That isn't even about drivers. It's about money. Useful stuff, but who wants to watch it?

    Of course, now that they have taken to deliberately crashing cars maybe it will become interesting again, in a morbid, hockey-like way.

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  20. Re:Pilot is the correct term. by AJWM · · Score: 2, Funny

    are you subject to road laws if your vehicle doesn't touch the road?

    Probably not, but you don't really want to explain to the FAA why you were (a) below minimum altitude and (b) above maximum speed (250 kt below 10k feet), (c) in an uncertificated aircraft (d) without a pilot's license. The Feds tend not to have a sense of humor about such things.

    (And oh yeah: (e) ??? (f) profit! )

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  21. Re:Crosswinds by poopdeville · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, as long as there's nothing in front of you for miles and miles, going fast is not scary at all.

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  22. Re:Crosswinds by Animaether · · Score: 4, Funny

    When you go that fast, there's no point in being scared of much.

    I think Jeremy Clarkson put it well when he wrote the following about the Bugatti Veyron at top speed:

    Happily, stopping distances become irrelevant because you won't see the obstacle in the first place. By the time you know it was there, you'll have gone through the windscreen, through the Pearly Gates and be half way across God's breakfast table.

    ( From: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article596580.ece )

  23. Re:And this is on slashdot why? by 427_ci_505 · · Score: 2

    Just FYI, Nissan never was in F1.

  24. The Drag Coefficient is 0.08 by turing_m · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A drag coefficient of 0.08 is amazingly awesome. For example, it's equal third place in the wikipedia concept car drag coefficient list (first is 0.07). And the frontal area is next to nothing, so the CD*A figure is going to be excellent too. Put a 100cc engine in it with appropriately tall gearing and it would most likely get better than 0.5 litres per 100km. Consider that the PAC-II has a Cd of 0.075 and gets 0.017l/100km equivalent.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficient

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  25. Re:And this is on slashdot why? by jamesh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And players of any sport, unless they are personal friends, are boring.

    Clearly you aren't acquainted with any sport that involves girls dressed in very little clothing then.

  26. Re:Crosswinds by quarterbuck · · Score: 2, Funny

    You are taking advice from Jeremy Clarkson ?
    He is the one who thinks that going backwards through Pearly Gates is a good way to die. And his friend Hammond nearly succeeded . OK, he was about to get in upside down through the gates, not backwards, but still.
    Clarkson: "If you go through the pearly gates backwards in a fireball, that's a cool way to die!" Hammond: "I love that vision of just blasting through the gates, backwards, in a flaming Swedish supercar! 'Yes! I'm here! Where are the women?'"

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  27. Re:not a record by Bob_Geldof · · Score: 2, Informative

    False. The density of air does not change with speed. What you may be trying to refer to is called the Reynolds number, a dimensionless quantity that relates fluid velocity with viscosity and characteristic length-scale. This is what allows the Mythbusters to make their own wind tunnel using water for the "Tail-gate Up or Down" episode. By setting the velocity of the water to compensate for the increased viscosity compared to air, they can get pretty close to simulating highway speeds for their model truck (characteristic length scales having been taken into consideration as well).

    The only thing that would be pretty dense at those speeds would be this anonymous coward.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_number

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  28. Re:And this is on slashdot why? by M8e · · Score: 2

    Scary, your head a splode.

  29. Re:Crosswinds by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He is the one who thinks that going backwards through Pearly Gates is a good way to die.

    Sounds like a pretty good way to die to me. I mean, compared to dying in a hospital unable to wipe your own arse or recognise your wife with a tube up your dick and a pint of morphine in your bloodstream, just for example.

  30. Re:Flying Low by hardwarefreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I like how Bryan Harley referred to the rider as the "pilot".

    http://seven-streamliner.com/

    Given this "motorcycle' has an enclosed cockpit and resembles a missile on two wheels, I'd say "pilot" is a more accurate description than "rider".

  31. Re:Flying Low by bar-agent · · Score: 2, Funny

    Given this "motorcycle' has an enclosed cockpit and resembles a missile on two wheels, I'd say "pilot" is a more accurate description than "rider".

    Hey, you ride a missile, you don't pilot one. Didn't you ever see Dr. Strangelove?

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