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The Pirate Bay Sails To a New Home
the monolith writes "Back in August, the company supplying bandwidth to The Pirate Bay was forced to disconnect them. Quoting TorrentFreak: '"It took just 20 minutes before the Hollywood companies telephoned the new host who took over operation of The Pirate Bay," commented Patrik from the ISP which had been indirectly supplying bandwidth to TPB. Despite initially putting on a brave face and standing strong, Patrik's company continued to feel the heat. It is not a large outfit and doesn't have the resources to fight the entertainment industry and its threats. Last night, Patrik could hold off no longer after receiving mounting threats from the entertainment industries, which culminated in threats of a court summons. Having come this far, there is little doubt that IFPI and the MPAA would litigate if necessary. ... On the heels of several rumors today, Patrik said he could confirm news of the move, saying that he believes The Pirate Bay is now hosted in Ukraine.'"
The pirate bay will never die.
What happened to the article "Google purges Pirate Bay from search results?"
It's listed on the front page of Slashdot, but when I click the link, I can't get to it. I want to know what that is about, dang it.
The Pirate Bay is the first place everyone I know goes for their torrents. Without tpb most people would be lost. What will we do when tpb goes down for good??
I only hope the next major technology in file sharing has some feature that is built in for anonymous use, and can offer single click access to load media files.
Dealing with .rar files for a movie that could have been downloaded as one file is so 1990's...
Something that could combine the best parts of usenet and p2p would be the best long term solution I think...
Ukraine is game to you!?
RIAA, MPAA et al, you just keep fighting those pirates. I'm sure you'll win eventually. I mean, just think of all those lasting victories you've had over..um..er..um...
they are invulnerable:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/21/business/worldbusiness/21iht-wto.html
i mean of course its all bullshit. the concept of intellectual property makes no moral, financial, logical, or philosophical sense in the internet age. but i guess we have to wait a few years for the vanguard of ignorant dinosaurs to die off
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
That actually sounds quite a bit like freenet. Too bad that freenet is the slowest thing on the internet ATM. But hey, what you lose in bandwidth you gain in anonymity.
Distribute torrent trackers and web hosting. That way, as long as there are enough people hosting torrents from the tracker, it remains alive.
The 'host' command says TPBay is still in Sweden
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host thepiratebay.org
thepiratebay.org has address 194.71.107.15
whois says this IP belong to some provider in
whois 194.71.107.15
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People trying to get rid of the pirate bay act as if removing a tool for sharing will put an end to the desire to share that drives the ability to find new tools to do it.
Always the hell holes of the world attract the sleeze of the world, like me to Slashdot.
fixed.
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If some fucker comes up to me in snow shoes and tries to spam me I just ski the fuck out of there. Retrofit SKI to a nice geeky acronym for some kind of technology to combat this shit and you're good to go.
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Ukraine isn't Communist. Go back to school, starting with the fourth grade.
512 MB RAM, 20 GB disk, 200 GB transfer, five datacenters. $19.95/month.
I would think the moon is considered part of the United States, seeing as our flag is there and no one else's (to my knowledge, feel free to tell me I am a misinformed clod). Hence why they aren't hosted there.
Would the obvious just hurry up and happen? Clearly we need Jack Thompson to go after the Pirate Bay. Which'll preferably be running on servers made of code stolen from SCO, and rumored to play the secret beta of Duke Nukem Forever if compiled backwards.
Anything else? Will that put our Stories That Just Won't Die together?
In fact, the Outer Space Treaty of 1967 forbids us to claim any part of the Moon.
The US has never made any claims of ownership of any part of the moon. There are small Soviet markers made of metal up there too that were placed by their various unmanned probes, so the US is still the only country with a real flag on the moon. The US and Russia also have a treaty that says both will treat the moon the same way we handle international waters, and forbids military use.
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Isohunt usually has a comparable or better selection depending on what you're looking for, they largely mirror each other anyway. If TPB ever dies for good the community might splinter, but there will be replacements and word will get around what they are.
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The U.S. has signed the "Outer Space Treaty" which treats the moon like international waters, so nobody has claim to the moon exclusively. Russia (USSR) placed pennants there in 1959.
I think it's relatively unlikely that there won't be some sort of movement by those with power to counter the lack of control caused by the internet. We are seeing that now. It would not surprise me if the media mafia kept up the full court press until every last country folds. They have plenty of money and power.
OTOH, their enemies are getting something they formerly paid for, for nothing. Not much money to fight with there. Do they have any allies with an income stream? ISPs are a natural ally - they are not stupid. Without media downloads, porn is the only thing really driving large cap high bandwidth accounts. Sure, a lot of people download a lot of porn, but I'm sure the ISPs would be giving up a large chunk of income if the MPAA were able to shut down torrents of movie downloads.
If the MPAA were to succeed with shutting down torrenting, it's not even the end of technological improvement. We just head towards some sort of darknet. But I suppose that the longer torrents are fairly easy to find and download, the more people come to expect media for free, the more entrenched is the file sharing culture, and the more potential Bram Cohens there will be to code up technological solutions in their spare time. So I suppose this delaying action does serve a purpose.
If the MPAA could even defeat that somehow, cost/GB keeps dropping and local transfer rates keep increasing. We'd have a scene kind of like a souped up version of 1980s tape copying. Except you'd be able to copy the entire year's output of the entertainment industry in a few hours. The only real problem then is converting the media to a DRM free digital version and assembling it in one place.
If I have seen further it is by stealing the Intellectual Property of giants.
Holy crap! I'd better download the entire series ASAP! What would Chuck Connors do?
ISOHunt ain't no TPB, especially with regard to textbooks.
You mean like googling "latest movie torrent" and using that? (Which is still frequently TPB) And the reason for rar is so the 6 gig movie fits on a fat32 thumb drive. (2 gig file size limit) Crappy reason, yes, but still a reason.
Oh, no! You mean I have to go all the way to the Ukraine to visit TPB? Boy, the MPAA really succeeded this time!
. . . grease up the monkey!
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"Always the hell holes of the world attract the sleeze of the world, like flies to shit."
Is that why we have so many corrupt, bribed, traitors in our US Government?
Haven't all the us-flags been blasted away at the return trips?
to force ISP to pull the plug?
2 wrongs don't make 1 right, right?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
The great success of TPB in the Swedish courts up to now leads one to believe that your comment probably shouldn't get all the way up to +5 Insightful. I do agree, however, that it does make it harder for the **AAs (or other national commercial content orgs) to shut things down when the servers are in foreign countries whose economies are less dependent on selling content.
Before more and more people jump in with their stupid whois links domain->ip links saying "look, their ip is 194.71.107.15 and its in sweden"...
TPB is hosted on their owners own AS and ip block "DCPNetworks" which is one of the couple ones they have. It's info is registered to be in Stockholm, Sweden, but its manual info given to RIPE. It doesn't mean its physically there. More so, it could had been there but moved elsewhere later. Lots of people seem to think these geolocations are some magical system to determine exactly where ip location is, but it's all based on manually typed in info when you register with RIPE or other registreries.
What you have to look at is their upstream providers. robtex shows still the old info too. More so, my own look up goes to amsterdam and leaseweb as their last upstream provider.
Actually this seems to be a fail over system of theirs. PatrikWeb, their only upstream besides DCS and SPACEDUMP, stopped providing bandwidth so their fail safe system kicked in and started providing bandwidth in Ukraine when one of their upstream providers stopped routing. They probably have more providers in place too to pick up quickly.
It's an intelligent system and not a surprise that those who haven't looked into BGP and routing more dont understand what's going on and just point out that the IP space is registered in sweden and dont see it can actually be located anywhere.
Lacking any philosophical sense -- Who the hell are you? No, seriously, not trolling here.. Who the hell ARE YOU?? WOW. You're going to sit there and make absolute statements about philosophy like that? Sorry, you don't get to state absolutes like that.
Of course he does. You didn't read the fine print which is written between the lines that, except for statements of fact, everything which is stated on forums on the net are personal opinions? IMO, statements about philosophy are automatically not statements of fact.
Owning ideas is as valid a philosophy as not being able to own ideas. There IS a "sense" to it. The idea of copyright is reasonable. You're idea of how our creative works should be treated and expressed, is also reasonable.
I have a bit of trouble here. You believe that "property" should include, in its definition, something which, in order for it to be useful, has to be distributed to and used freely by others? Because I cannot think of any way we could actually be having this conversation on this forum except that you have just distributed a lot of ideas to me and I have processed them in my brain in order to generate this response which is a lot of ideas I am distributing back to you.
Even copyright doesn't go that far --- it is impossible to copyright an idea, one can only copyright the formalization of an idea in a particular, expressive, work. To which the original poster would certainly add: "whatever that means". And he'd probably be right. For example, I'm pretty sure that the MPAA and Marvel would have something to say in court if I would try to sell a film starring an "Arachnoman" superhero with powers identical to Spiderman. Unless, of course, it was obviously a parody.
For non-software works, breaking DRM is trivial. You just need to record the screen and sound output and put it together.
Unless they manage to outlaw one-to-one encrypted communications, people will still be able to use the net for organizing personal transfers of enormous amounts of content (just think about how many songs, or even non-HD movies, fit on one microSD chip now). Eventually it will be possible to tracelessly exchange enormous amounts of content in person, and social networking sites which enable this as a side-effect can easily be set up.
TPB will morph into "The Pirate Get-together Organizer", and as long as they are attentive-yet-ineffective to the demands of the content groups, as opposed to militantly "in your face", they will survive for a long, long, time.
Bit-torrent is a long term solution. Because it is a protocol and not a network so it can't be "Shut Down".
ThePirateBay is a sigle entity, it can be attacked and brought down but that won't stop others from stepping in and setting up replacements.
An SQL query goes to a bar, walks up to a table and asks, "Mind if I join you?"
Times change. The Berlin Wall fell, and the USSR collapsed shortly thereafter. I recall it vividly.
512 MB RAM, 20 GB disk, 200 GB transfer, five datacenters. $19.95/month.
And the reason for rar is so the 6 gig movie fits on a fat32 thumb drive. (2 gig file size limit) Crappy reason, yes, but still a reason.
That's not the reason at all. It's because the more elitistic piracy groups use FTP to get their files across and because of their "trading" games and so on.
Demonoid is out of commission as well right now, been down for almost two weeks. The mad craze for trying new software (and to make all the updates for Snow Leopard) has been dampened considerably, and peeps now find time to walk the dog and water the garden. My inside sources tell me the real reason Demoniod is down is due to the kidnapping of their lead database manager by MPAA insurgents, who stormed the facility in late September, extracting the prisoner and fragging a server cluster on the way out. Desperate times call for desperate measures it seems. Meanwhile, software sales are actually up around the globe, as folks are paying for piddly upgrades in hopes their apps will continue to work in OSX 10.6.1. With Demoniod and Piratebay down, the vast majority of decent Leopard torrents have dried up, leaving folks with unseeded downloads for Sims2 and ancient versions of Adobe CS suites. These are dark times indeed.
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Yep. That part is relatively easy. The harder part is assembling it all in one place (and maybe a distant second, deciding what is a duplicate and what to keep/delete so that a complete record is built up).
If I have seen further it is by stealing the Intellectual Property of giants.
I don't think the *AA have anything to do with it. The internet is growing very quickly and is really not under anyone's control whatsoever. It's still very much the wild west, and like the wild west, any number of parties would like it tamed and made safe(banks, on-line retailers, pretty much anyone who uses the internet to make money). This would probably happen eventually whether the the RIAA and MPAA ever even existed, simply because the internet is starting to fill up with people who are very interested in the internet being safe for them to do business in, which it currently is not.
Solutions to tame and control the internet will eventually happen, even if it doesn't happen within our lifetime. It will become taxed, policed, and legislated eventually because it is in the best interest of most nations for this to happen. It may take a long time, and go through many changes along the way(most likely the creation of national or multinational subnets somewhat connected to the current system with requirements for identity and authentication built in), but it will happen eventually.
That said, it probably won't happen fast enough for the MPAA or RIAA and their members to survive(particularly the RIAA) if they don't wake up and smell the coffee. The era of controlling the distribution of music and movies is over, and they'll have to come up with a business model which doesn't require them to be the sole source of their product. Someday in the future we'll have enough technology that the same will probably happen for physical goods as well, and their creators will have to face that change when it comes.
Time to enact legislation that separates the government from corporations, much like separation of church and state. Pliable/compliant/paid off corporate governments must be stopped. No government should ever be "compelled" to defend private corporations interests. Well, all the big record companies will go out of business soon anyways. It's really a waiting game.
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I thought it was to prevent ISPs from easily fingerprinting torrented data.
Someone needs to create a 'add-on' for torrent programs that allows users to share their connections. A kind of open proxy, I guess.
When your BT client connects to the file seeder, it would also connect to a 'proxy seeder', which lists all the other users who are sharing their bandwidth thru a proxy. Then, your download/upload goes thru one (or more) of those open proxies. No logs means no way to trace the 'end user' who actually is DLing the files, so no one can be sued. (They could try suing the proxy owners, but I don't think that'd go anywhere.)
Yes, it would result in decreased bandwidth for the owner of the proxy. But, lots of people do nothing with theirs anyway most of the time. For instance, they can turn on the proxy overnight, while they're sleeping (assuming they don't have a DL going themselves), or even during the day during work hours. I mean, really, who needs 30down/5up all the time??
Dealing with .rar files for a movie that could have been downloaded as one file is so 1990's...
Sharing rar files on bittorrent is, generally speaking, stupid. The scene releases rars to allow for integrity checks and re-uploading parts in the case of file corruption; this is useful if you're distributing via systems like FTP (as the scene does), but it's pointless if you're distributing via bittorrent, where the protocol already divides the files up into blocks and performs integrity checking on them.
Now, some bittorrent sites directly distribute scene releases, so it makes some sense for them to distribute these releases unmodified, that is, as rar files. But insisting on rar files for non-scene releases, as some bittorrent sites do, is just aping the form of the scene without understanding the reasoning behind it; it's n00bish posturing, in other words.
Isohunt is a torrent search engine, not a tracker, so it's not really comparable to TPB; indeed, if you search on Isohunt, there's a good chance the results you get will be to torrents tracked by TPB. If TPB disappeared, Isohunt would have lot fewer torrents.
TPB should head for Barbados or Antigua. They may even get official government support. Both of those lovely little islands used to earn a lot of their income from internet gambling sites, until the US decided to block them, and break the rules of the WTO. Now, if they were to host TPB, they would have some nice leverage with the US to help them come into line with the WTO policies. One downside is the US spinning it to be they are countries that support (financial) terrorism, and soon enough those islands are surrounded by gunboats.
... and their ill business model. The "industry" isn't going to think at all. It's a cartel full of idiot corporate executives incapable of thinking outside of their MS Excel sheets and bribing politicians. Provoking those crooks with things like Pirate Bay will only result with mayhem and more draconian laws. It's time to override them and invent better business models in a legal, indisputable way. Creative commons comes to my mind but it does not solve problem of financing a production. Things like this may be a good complement to CC - while Max Keiser is a kind of freak (and first films submitted on his site reflect this), idea of community financing via premium copies (and taking eventual profits) coupled with filmmaking costs dramatically lowered by today's technology may do the trick.
People still use thepiratebay?
LOL
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Anyone have ideas on how to use Google Wave as the next P2P technology? The irony, oh, the irony. So delicious....
When you want something built, come see me. If you want correct grammar and spelling, get a F*ing liberal arts student.
Now your only chance to shut down pirate bay is to get its owner shot. and if that happens, you will be in a hell of trouble, so it wont happen. and even if they are shot, someone else will take over, and the thing will go on.
GIVE UP ALREADY. 'the people' apparently seem to have decided that p2p is the way to go in the future. its 'the people' like in 'we, the people'. you cant fight against that.
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...they write folk songs about things like that.
I like to think that human democracy is safe as long as the Internet pirates and pornkings and garden-variety anarchists can compete on a level playing field with the average multinational corporation.
The Internet really is an intellectual Wild West...designed to survive a nuclear conflagration. Hope wins out.
FIDONET!
are pawns, owned by the other industries to create the necessary illusion that is America and that Americans have freedom.
The Media simply enable the US war machine to do what it does by giving it a pretext, a narrative, and preferably one that's easy to understand and talk about at the water cooler.
If the Media ever demand and find themselves in a position to fight for;a bigger slice of the pie, then watch out.
Maybe we can help that desperation arrive a little sooner.
You do know what births out of graboids right? Ass Blasters!
Oh how the users of slashdot have forgotten. The entertainment cartel tried to pass much worse. They tried to get laws passed which would require all computers to be DRM controlled.
Not only did they demand a system to keep their files from being copied (at great expense to your computer--they wanted every audio and video input to scan for watermarks. The standards would also require all multimedia hardware (sound cards, video cards, CD/DVD drives) to encrypt everything, so no one could tap into the lines to "steal" any content. They also asked for such features as the ability to erase "pirated"[1] files remotely.
Check out the SSSCA and CBDTPA. Note the euphemism "security" for DRM.
Palladium was Microsoft's answer to this. They tried to sell it as protection against viruses and such. Look in the section titled "How does Palladium work?"
Palladium was renamed Next Generation Secure Computing Base. It was supposed to go into Longhorn (renamed Vista), but apparently they never got it working properly. Some say this is why Vista is so screwed up.
In fact, I would say the whole reason MS went into the game console business was to test out their DRM ideas so they can incorporate it into mainstream Windows. Game console companies lock down their computers[2] hardcore. It is difficult to run any "unauthorized" programs on their systems, and you risk being arrested for being a "pirate" if you do.
[1] "Pirated" files, meaning any file they don't like.
[2] A game console is just a computer with more emphasis on graphics acceleration and locked down so their manufacturer can charge "royalties" for the privilege of writing programs for their console. Look at the parts in a game console--CPU, GPU, and such. There is no reason you couldn't run a word processor or other programs on it if you were given approval. In fact even the Nintendo DS has a version of the Opera web browser for it.