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What Belongs In a High School Sci-Fi/Fantasy Lit Class?

flogger writes "I have been asked to help develop a literature course for Science Fiction and Fantasy literature. What do you consider to be appropriate selections of short stories and novels in these genres for high school students of all ability levels? I'd also like to know why you choose certain selections. This class will be 'regular' class and not a class for 'flunkies' to earn a credit by sitting docile and listening to lectures. The following is a course description that I have been given as a guideline. This description can change. Any ideas? 'In this Junior/Senior level course, students will focus on the genres of Science Fiction and Fantasy. Students will survey the histories of these genres and recognize how world events have been reflected onto other worlds. From the early formation of the genre, with Verne, and the classics of Clarke, Tolkien, Bradbury, and LeGuin, to the contemporary works of Card, Jordan, and Vinge, the genres have been about portraying humanity in possible scenarios. These works have mirrored events throughout the troubled situations of our history and provided optimistic outcomes and horrifying predictions. Through this course, students will utilize analytical skills and reading strategies to evaluate our current situation and project into the literature of different worlds while sharing and learning of an author's insight. Possible areas of interest will be topics of the environment, energy conservation, war, social issues, and others. '"

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  1. Where was this class for me? by marbike · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You might consider that not only does the world around us inform the fiction that is written (consider Heinlein's social and political commentary in Starship Troopers) but that also Science Fiction informs our own world (see how innovation is sparked by what SciFi has given us. Also, the genres can be used to teach us about the past (Piers Anthony's Steppe) or give us a glimpse into the far future (Niven's Ringworld). There is quite a lot of SciFi in our daily lives, but our world is certainly present in our SciFi.

    I want to know where this class was $Big_Num years ago. I would have jumped at the chance to participate in such a class.

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    1. Re:Where was this class for me? by madhurms · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Try Hitchhiker's guide to galaxy. Great read.

    2. Re:Where was this class for me? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And decidedly a good example of entertainment literature that doesn't belong in a lit class.

    3. Re:Where was this class for me? by OwnedByTwoCats · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am quite fond of Roger Zelazny's short story "The Game of Blood and Dust". It didn't resonate at all with my daughter, who never really lived under the threat of nuclear annihilation. It's included in _The_Last_Defender_of_Camelot_, and only 5 pages long.

    4. Re:Where was this class for me? by infinite9 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I actually took a sci-fi and fantasy class in my high school back in 1988. We read starship troopers, the hobbit, lord of the rings (we had to pick one of the three), 2001, and some books of our choosing. I chose soylent green iirc. We watched a few sci-fi movies. The teacher did an in-class analysis of the complexity of the lights and buttons of darth vader's suit as he progressed through 4, 5, and 6. We did a few book reports and some art projects. I did a poster of the horses in the river that did in the ring wraiths. It was one of the few brights spots of my high school experience. The teacher was awesome.

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    5. Re:Where was this class for me? by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why would they leave out Card and Heinlein if their goal was liberal indoctrination? The philosophy Starship Troopers is so easy to destroy the average middle schooler could do it. And practically every novel Card has ever written contains a sympathetic gay character who is persecuted, and yet, is content with that persecution. You could write a dissertation on that man's self-hating closet conservatism.

    6. Re:Where was this class for me? by aleatory_story · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Try Hitchhiker's guide to galaxy. Great read.

      Kurt Vonnegut's Sirens of Titan (which was a big influence to Adams' HG2G) would be a much better read for a lit class. It's a book of pure genius and there's as much insight into the human condition as there is humor. There is also a great Audiobook for this floating around for anyone too lazy to flip pages :)

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    7. Re:Where was this class for me? by Gerzel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Philip K. Dick - Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep

      I'd also recommend reading through some anthologies you like and looking for good short stories. If I were running the class I'd go with (depending on time) two or three good novel length selections and fill the rest in with short stories from a variety of authors. At that level I'd rather get them exposed to a variety rather than focusing on a narrower selection. Show them the different styles and genres and the different colors of sci-fi fantasy.

      I'd shy away from LOTR. They already know it pretty much and its long.

      Also I'd look for local authors, especially those still alive, and show off some of their work. Also if you can ask them if they might be willing to speak. Putting someone local or from a similar background as the students as a writer might also help them identify better with the medium and they may be much more interested in it if they think they might just be able to do it someday.

      Finally hit the magazine rack for articles short stories and such. Analog and others may well offer some very good starting points. Also they'd help show the kids that it is an on-going process not some musty cannon of work.

    8. Re:Where was this class for me? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Problem is most parents freak out. I was in an advanced Lit class and was introduced to Heinlein, Vonnegut, niven, EE Smith, and Ben Bova as writers and the sex scenes and outright violence in some of the books would have the moronic prude parents today suing everyone in sight for every reason. Hell reading a clockwork orange today in a high school would get most teachers fired.

      I really feel bad for teachers today. They have to basically give high school kids nursery rhymes instead of exposing them to real writers gritty stories that make the kids want to read with a passion.

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    9. Re:Where was this class for me? by aywwts4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Adams changed my world view in High-School. Fostered my fascination with Evolution and converted me from agnostic to strong atheism and made me analyze the world in new and interesting ways, His insight is perfect for (some) high school kids to read.

      Sadly his humor is largely lost on kids who don't do much critical thinking, I have seen people gloss right over some of the absolute funniest lines in the books without stopping for a second. Many people look for humor in the events of a book, not the words of the book. Douglas' funniest bits were sneaked into very minor bits of exposition, not critical plot points. "The spaceships hung in the air just like bricks don't." The rest of his humor comes from knowing the proper way to deliver his lines, largely requiring at least some exposure to Monty python or other British comedy to know how to read 'Ford, you're turning into a penguin. Stop it.' Read the wrong way the humor is lost.

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    10. Re:Where was this class for me? by NickFortune · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's also the converse point to consider. In Footfall (I think) Niven and Pournelle make the point (a little self indulgently, maybe) that if politicians are not supposed to plan beyond their term of office, then the only people making serious long term contingency plans are SF writers. I think there's a grain of truth in there; who else has the time and inclination to consider potential scientific breakthroughs, and then explore their social as well as well as technological implications.

      I don't think I'd recommend Footfall: It's a long book and there are going to be limits on how much you can expect your students to read. Still, Niven's Flash Crowd is a fine example of this type of story, considering the ways in which a cheap public teleportation system would change society.

      It'd be nice to have a symmetrical recommendation for fantasy, but I don't think it really lends itself to that sort of exploration. Fantasy, I sometimes think is best when it looks backwards and inwards into the landscape of myth and the collective unconscious. Robert Holdstock's Mythago Wood would probably be the best example of that, but again it's probably a lot of book to cover. Something from Gaiman's Sandman comics might work - A Dream Of A Thousand Cats, for example.

      Just some thoughts.

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    11. Re:Where was this class for me? by thomst · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I think a list of seminal books, rather than specific authors, is the way to go. (Heck, you could teach an entire class on Heinlein alone!) Mine would definitely include:

      The Stars My Destination, by Alfred Bester. Perhaps Bester's best-known story (Bester won the very first Hugo award for best science fiction novel with The Demolished Man - which is a great exploration of a telepathic society cast as a detective story - but Stars is a short novel, which would allow you to fit more works into the time allotted), it's a story of one man's thirst for revenge (always a popular theme with teenagers) in a society where interplanetary travel is commonplace and most normal people have learned to teleport. The fact that the action takes place across this society's class structure, and that it anticipates (among other phenomena) flash mobs, excellently illustrates the science-fictional task of worldbuilding at its highest level.

      The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, by Robert A. Heinlein. Although less popular than the author's Stranger in a Strange Land, it won - and deserved - the Hugo for Best Novel. More importantly, Heinlein's infamous didacticism is dialed back a good ways from the wildly-self-indulgent Stranger, and the story - of a lunar penal colony (most of the residents of which are prisoners only of irreversible gravity-mediated physiological changes) which fights a war for political independence from Earth - was the first SF novel to deal with low-gravity disability, the first that I know of to introduce a self-aware computer character that felt in any way "real", the first to introduce railgun bombardment from space as a terror weapon, and one of the first to explore (in Heinlein's holographic fashion) the possible impact on marriage customs of a society where the male-to-female ratio is heavily lopsided.

      Lord of Light, by Roger Zelazny. Although best known for his less-ambitious Amber series, this was Zelazny's magnum opus. Set on a planet colonized centuries before, it tells the story of the struggle between Buddhism and Hinduism - except that the Hindu gods are the officers of the original colony ship, the Buddha is a rebel from their ranks who is determined to destroy the caste system over which they rule, and physical reincarnation is a reward doled out by the "gods" via cloning and mind-transfer technology. Beautifully-written (as you might expect from an English major with a degree in comparative mythology), it's also a riveting adventure story, with a complex protagonist fighting to overthrow an authoritarian society ruled by his oldest friends and associates, Lord of Light is perhaps the best melding of science fiction and fantasy ever written. It deservedly won both the Hugo (given by the fan community) and the Nebula (bestowed by the science fiction writers association) awards for best novel.

      The Adolescence of P1, by Thomas Ryan. Other than Mistress, this was the first SF novel to explore the idea of a self-aware computer consciousness arising from what today we would call a self-modifying Internet worm. It confines itself to that theme, rather than engaging in a major world-building exercise. Because it is set in the "present day" 1980's, it would allow you to introduce the idea that science fiction themes can be set in familiar, rather than exotic surroundings without in any way lessening their entertainment value or the relevance and weight of their themes.

      The Shockwave Rider, by John Brunner. Set in a highly-mobile future society that's dependent on networked computers for day-to-day existence - a society that bears a striking resemblance to our own - Rider is one of the best examples of dead-on prognosticating in SF. It's also a breathless adventure, which pits the whiz-kid hacker protagonist against the evil CIA that's been determined to exploit him and orphans like him since his childhood. Again, as in Ryan's Adolescence, Brunner includes an emergent computer intelligence given birth by the protagonist's experiments with self-modifying code, but the focus here i

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    12. Re:Where was this class for me? by jvin248 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Influential books that had an impact on me during the High School years, and would have been great in such a class. You won't be able to cover very many books, but you should at least get these in there:

      Foundation
      Ring World
      Lord Foul's Bane
      Ender's Game
      A Canticle for Leibowitz
      The Hobbit (no, not LOTR)
      The Sleeping Dragon


      A lot of the others are covered in political or regular english courses (animal farm, 1984, F 451, etc), or really were just entertaining reads (Princess of Mars, Conan, Hitchhikers Guide, Xanth, etc).

    13. Re:Where was this class for me? by Holmwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The philosophy [of] Starship Troopers is so easy to destroy?

      Really?

      Two of the tenets of that book were (a) all volunteer armed forces; (b) everyone who volunteered for combat service, and served, got to vote. No exceptions.

      You'll note the protagonist of that novel was Hispanic, and the protagonist of Tunnel in the Sky was black. Not exactly common for the 1950's.

      He wrote Starship Troopers in 1959, in an age prior to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, where many black veterans had been routinely deprived of the vote in the south. He wrote some years before the disaster of the Vietnam War where kids were drafted to serve and die in a decidedly non-volunteer force.

      It might be easy to look back today and decry Heinlein's work, but I'm not so sure the philosophy his characters articulate is so "easy to destroy" as you think it is.

      Unless of course one is all about racism and conscription. In which case, carry on.

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    14. Re:Where was this class for me? by RasputinAXP · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, the protagonist of the book (Juan Rico) was Filipino, as noted at the very end where he mentions they speak Tagalog at home.

      (Score: -1, Pedantic)

    15. Re:Where was this class for me? by Lil'wombat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've always felt that Niven alone was cool ideas, poor execution. Niven + Pournell was fantastic, and Niven + Pournell + Barnes was even better. Compare Legacy of Heorot/Beowulfs Children vs Mote in God's Eye vs Destiny Road.

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    16. Re:Where was this class for me? by fredklein · · Score: 2, Interesting

      everyone who volunteered for combat service, and served, got to vote. No exceptions.

      Actually, everyone who did "Federal Service" got to vote. The military was only one part of Federal Service.

      Personally, I like the idea of making people do, say, 2 years of federal service. Assuming the 300 million people in the USA are equally distributed across ages 1-100, that means roughly 3 million people aged 18-19, and 3 million more 19-20. That's 6 million people!

      Imagine a person approaching their 18th birthday. They take an aptitude test, and get assigned as a police officer. First they get (as do all of the teens, no matter what their field) 6 months military training. Boot camp, basically. Give them some purpose, some knowledge of weaponry and strategy. This means that ALL citizens will have this knowledge, therefore, if the shit hits the fan, ANY citizen can step up and fight. The number of teens in this 6 month program at any given time will be about 1.5 million, approximately the size of the current US Military.

      Then they get 6 months (full time) training in law, use of weapons and other equipment, police policies, procedures, etc. They then hit the streets for the next 12 months. They are teamed with and supervised by the previous years cops. Upper ranked police ("management") are 'lifers', people who liked being cops so much they made it their career. Of course, they were carefully observed during their 2 years, and any who showed signs of abusing their power were not hired.

      The same holds for any other government position. Let the 'grunt work' be handled by the kids doing their two years, and have them managed by career men/women.

      It's an interesting idea.

    17. Re:Where was this class for me? by mrrudge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No thank you, there's little enough time to get through all the things I want to learn, investigate and use without wasting two years learning ( through routine degradation ) how to effectively kill other human beings without questioning the reason and/or be the instrument of a system I can see the need for but don't always agree with the letter of.

      In practice this is likely to continue a jock culture for another two years of what's already a painful experience for the generally more sensitive/intelligent members of a society, and training 1.5 million young adults to kill effectively almost guarantees the shit will hit the fan regularly. Your army is big enough to fight the entire world already.

    18. Re:Where was this class for me? by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I actually took a sci-fi and fantasy class in my high school back in 1988

      I've never been able to figure out why these two completely different genres are always lumped together? Fantasy fiction almost always takes plece in the past, science fiction almost always takes place in the future. Fantasy deals with magic, scifi deals with science and technology.

      I don't get it, unless it's that to so many people, technology IS magic. Since it isn't really, why do literature teachers lump the two together?

      Personally, I've always been a fan of science fiction, and with the exceptins of Tolkien and Pratchett have never liked fantasy. I always wanted stuff explained, both in fiction and in life. "It's magic" never worked for me.

  2. Some More Names to Consider by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My reading is (obviously) slanted toward sci-fi over fantasy but here's some more names to consider (in no order): Stanislaw Lem, Assimov, Wells, Philip K. Dick, Orwell, Mary Shelley, H. P. Lovecraft, William Gibson, Charles Stross, Heinlein, Vonnegut, Lois Lowry, Madeleine L'Engle, Larry Niven, Sturgeon, Huxley, Herbert, Stephenson, Douglas Adams, Rand, Anthony Burgess, Philip Jose Farmer, Robert Silverberg, Harry Harrison, Frederick Pohl, Harlan Ellison, Jack Williamson, E.E. Smith and Crichton. While you might feel some of them belong elsewhere (Shelley, Vonnegut, Rand, Orwell) they're still sci-fi/fantasy.

    Um, what were you planning to have them do? What amount of reading per week are you aiming at? 20-30 pages? I realize a lot of the authors (Jordan especially) may be too much to ask.

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    1. Re:Some More Names to Consider by bryan1945 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd add Brin & Modesitt. They also have some nice socialogical themes to them.

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    2. Re:Some More Names to Consider by Abreu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I second most of this list, especially Asimov, Dick, Lem

      However, I would not suggest heavily political books to avoid needless controversy, or big doorstoppers that might discourage some kids.

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    3. Re:Some More Names to Consider by nizo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't forget Animal Farm.

    4. Re:Some More Names to Consider by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2, Funny

      L. Ron Hubbard! He wrote some freaky, over the top science fiction called Scientology.

    5. Re:Some More Names to Consider by Minwee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just remember to pick up an untraceable paperback copy. Orwell eBooks have a distressing habit of dropping into the memory hole.

    6. Re:Some More Names to Consider by spiffmastercow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed, along with Brave New World, just to get the other side of the dystopia spectrum covered.

    7. Re:Some More Names to Consider by rho · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Octavia E. Butler and Samuel Delany as well.

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    8. Re:Some More Names to Consider by Zerth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Clifford Simak would be a good one for the 40/50's. Most of his sci-fi is rural/laid-back and while his heros are like cardboard, his aliens have depth.

      Goblin Reservation is a sci-fi/fantasy mashup where somebody has to solve his own murder in a future where time-travel is used to settle educational disputes and science has found where fantasy creatures were hiding.

      The Visitors covers our interaction with incomprehensible aliens that turn trees into easy to drive flying saucers, ruining the autoindustry. It isn't a trade, they eat cellulose and literly shit cars with idiot-proof antigravity.

    9. Re:Some More Names to Consider by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 3, Insightful

      80s-90s represent: Greg Bear, David Brin, Gregory Benford, Vernor Vinge, Robert Charles Wilson, Michael Swanwick, Dan Simmons, Charles Sheffield, Nancy Kress, Kim Stanley Robinson

    10. Re:Some More Names to Consider by Iron+Condor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      [...] here's some more names to consider (in no order): Stanislaw Lem, Assimov, Wells, Philip K. Dick,[...]

      etc.

      I think this is exactly the wrong approach.

      Sit your pupils down in day one class one and talk about sci-fi. Every one of them is bound to know at least one or two. Some will know a lot. Let them suggest things and justify their selections. That process alone will teach them something about literature. In the end be prepared to go with a couple things that came from them that aren't precisely what you would have picked but allow you to get your curriculum through. Allow one thing you don't already know yourself to force yourself to do actual analytical work yourself instead of just regurgitating something you've already done to death a million times before.

      Pick one thing yourself that you think complements/contrasts their choices (ideally someone NOT on the parent's list of sf clichees). Show them how/when/where it does so.

      I am willing to bet this'll make more neurons spark than a pre-set list of well-worn sci-fi authors.

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    11. Re:Some More Names to Consider by Dahamma · · Score: 3, Insightful

      However, I would not suggest heavily political books to avoid needless controversy, or big doorstoppers that might discourage some kids.

      On the contrary, I would use whatever metric is used in any other literature class as to the content, length, or difficulty of the novel. The main reason this post is interesting to slashdotters is that someone is trying to acknowledge sci-fi and fantasy is just as worth studying in an academic environment as other literary works. If that's true, it should be treated the same way, and not tailored to suit political sensitivities or short attention spans.

    12. Re:Some More Names to Consider by morari · · Score: 3, Interesting

      H.P. Lovecraft. I don't think that can be stressed enough. He is so often times overlooked or pigeonholed into the same horror category as Poe, but he really did help to lay alot of the foundation for good science fiction. His later works are especially of a cosmic scale, where ancient occult gods are nothing more than misunderstood alien entities. Some stories are much more obvious in their influence however, such as At the Mountains of Madness and certainly The Shadow Out of Time.

      I certainly think that the major "dystopian" novels should be covered as well, such as 1984, Brave New World, and maybe even Stranger in a Strange Land.

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    13. Re:Some More Names to Consider by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 5, Funny

      I absolutely adore Lovecraft. However, I'd save him for a specialty class, probably a college level class. His fecund verbosity overpowers my even my most perspicacious tendency, rendering opaque the once-transparent word hoards of narrators across the visages of time, sending my love of storytelling into the blissful quiet of a new dark age.

      Seriously. Yuck.

  3. Fahrenheit 451 by Victor_0x53h · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451 is a favorite classic. Science fiction, but easy to read for anyone.

  4. Dune by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the books really transcend into life in the 21st century. Plus there's a plethora of movie versions you could show your class.

    1. Re:Dune by Abreu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What do you mean "books"? There is only one Dune book!

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  5. Whoa.. stop! by Anrego · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Think of the children! PLEASE!

    No offense .. but it sounds like this course is going to be just like most English courses..

    That is.. take an enjoyable experience (i.e. reading a good book) and turn it into a complete chore by over-analysing everything to the point that students shun reading forever.

    Now.. maybe some high school students would enjoy comparing their favorite sci-fi series to the cold war.. or writing a 10 page essay on what the author _REALLY_ meant when he said "John walked briskly across the street".. but I suspect most won't.

    That said.. if this is your intention though.. 1984 is a must. You can (and people have) turn just about any paragraph in that book into a masters thesis.

    1. Re:Whoa.. stop! by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Insightful
      This two-period hybrid full-stop/ellipses you use strikes me as emblematic of your perspective on literature and literary classes.

      No offense .. but it sounds like this course is going to be just like most English courses..

      Well no shit. You go to school to learn, which is Hard Work, not to goof off or be entertained. If students just want to read good books, they can read themselves without taking the class.

      .. or writing a 10 page essay on what the author _REALLY_ meant when he said "John walked briskly across the street"..

      Has that ever really happened? Ever?

      You can (and people have) turn just about any paragraph in that book into a masters thesis

      Likewise, this? Somebody wrote a master's thesis about a *paragraph* from 1984? And even more than one person has done this?

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    2. Re:Whoa.. stop! by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't forget all interpretations much match the teachers own view as well. Nothing spoils someone interest in a topic, when a teacher always tells them what story they got from this abstracted fiction is wrong.

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    3. Re:Whoa.. stop! by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      SF is about the tech, not the people.

      Technical documents are about current tech. Scientific American is about fictional future-tech. Science-Fiction is about the people living in a "Scientific American" world. If it's not about people, there's no _story_.

    4. Re:Whoa.. stop! by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >1984 is a must.

      Is it really? Id rather see this in a politics class or an english literature class after theyve been taught enough history to understand what Stalinism was. I think its 99% political and 1% scifi and without the proper polisci background it just is a dystopian tale instead of the critique and dark satire of oppressive communist governments its supposed to be.

    5. Re:Whoa.. stop! by selven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well no shit. You go to school to learn, which is Hard Work, not to goof off or be entertained. If students just want to read good books, they can read themselves without taking the class.

      School's main purpose is learning, not boredom. Learning without boredom is the optimum, the goal we should be working toward.

      Has that ever really happened? Ever?

      It's called hyperbole. It's a literary device.

      The point the GP is making, and one that I agree with, is that if you make something boring in school, people will treat it as such in life. Teach a boring biology class, you are robbing two dozen students of curiosity for the wonders of living organisms. Teach a boring math class, you create people who think they can make money off the casinos. Teach a boring English class, your students will never willingly pick up a book again.

    6. Re:Whoa.. stop! by Anrego · · Score: 2, Insightful

      .. or writing a 10 page essay on what the author _REALLY_ meant when he said "John walked briskly across the street"..

      Has that ever really happened? Ever?

      Hell yes! Ok.. maybe slight bit of hyperbole (ehe.. that tickled) but when I was in high school we tore "The Great Gatsby" apart line by line. The teacher we had could take just about any poor innocent sentence and explain how it was actually a metaphor for the fall of the American dream and the prevalence of materialism in our society. I honestly think if Scott Fitzgerald had sat in on one of these classes.. he would have laughed his ass off.

      This two-period hybrid full-stop/ellipses you use strikes me as emblematic of your perspective on literature and literary classes.

      My half-hearted ellipsis are practically a signature .. been using them for literally decades .. kind of my own little way of railing against the system :(

      Well no shit. You go to school to learn, which is Hard Work, not to goof off or be entertained. If students just want to read good books, they can read themselves without taking the class.

      I don't think this is necessary. I know I sound like some drugged up elementary teacher before (s)he has had the enthusiasm sucked out by "the system".. but learning can be effective _and_ fun. You don't need to suck all the life out of a book to analyze it.

    7. Re:Whoa.. stop! by dkleinsc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Au contraire (thanks 7th grade French for teaching me that phrase)

      If it's taught well, that is. Make it clear to kids that having opinions about the stuff you read is important, that they aren't too stupid to understand it, and that the knowledge they gain from reading and interpreting this stuff will inform the rest of their lives. I still have memories of my discussions in a course about Beowulf.

      As for what to read, I suggest looking at Hugo winners, many of which can be found in Isaac Asimov's brilliantly titled anthology The Hugo Winners. In fact, if you have to choose an anthology reader in order to keep a curriculum committee happy, I'd choose that one. The older volumes in particular have some classics and an interesting mix of authors, styles, and subject matter.

      And I thoroughly disagree with the idea that SF is about technology. It isn't: It's nearly always about people, pulled into a completely different environment perhaps, but people nonetheless. Even the "aliens" aren't so much completely alien as they are an aspect of people blown way out of proportion in order to examine it and make a point about it.

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    8. Re:Whoa.. stop! by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh man. I had an English teacher who loved Great Expectations. And, yah, it's an ok book, but she was crazy about finding symbolism in it. Absolutely nutsoid.

      One day she kept going on and on about how Pip escaped London on a boat on the Thames river because the river's course has lots of right angles, goes up and down and back and forth and that represents the course of Pip's life-- rich, poor, rich again, etc.

      I raised my hand and said, "maybe Pip took the Thames because it's the ONLY RIVER IN LONDON." She was so mad.

  6. break down the genre a bit by gingerTabs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cyberpunk (Gibson, Stross et al)
    Classic old school sci-fi (Clarke, Heinlein etc)
    Modern Space opera (Ian M Banks)
    High Fantasy (Tolkein et al
    Schlock Fantasy (Dragonlance, Drizzt)

    1. Re:break down the genre a bit by Tringard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Should also include in that list:
      Alternate History (Turtledove)
      Near Future/Speculative Fiction (Rainbows End, Little Brother, etc)

  7. Robert Heinlein! by Brazilian+Geek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Robert Heinlein!

    Note: I'll write only about the books I've read, other folks might have other points of view.

    Heinlein might have had a weird way of looking at things but he has great stories as an introduction to the scifi genre - light(ish) reading with plenty of topics to discuss.

    Take two of his works that I recommend to folks, Starship Troopers and Farmer in the Sky. Both are "juvenile" books - sex and misogyny are themes in Heinlein's later works - but deal with life in space in a very realistic way. They're wildly speculative yet, just barely, they're plausible enough to make sense.

    If you're looking for short stories, there's The Man Who Sold The Moon - short stories populated with really far-fetched ideas yet it's a really fun read.

    I'm sure other people will suggest other things but I strongly suggest you take a look at Heinlein for the kids, after all he wrote a bunch of stories for them that are easy reads and are, as far as I can remember, kid-safe.

    I'm resisting recommending more authors - as I'm sure this thread will be full of them - but Heinlein's earlier works, from what I recall, are nice examples of scifi aimed towards younger audiences.

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    1. Re:Robert Heinlein! by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'll second Heinlein, especially some of the early "juveniles," especially given part of the synopsis that state, "recognize how world events have been reflected onto other worlds." A lot of the early Heinlein is reflective of the Cold War mentality.

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    2. Re:Robert Heinlein! by michael_cain · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

      IMO, his most interesting story looking at how the full spectrum of basics that a society has to provide -- air, food, shelter, marriage, child-rearing, allocation of scarce resources -- might change under suddenly different circumstances. The technology is comprehensible to almost anyone. And kids in high school today may live long enough to see computers that pass a Turing test -- certainly more likely to see that than FTL space flight. Start from "Does an AI that passes such a test have any rights?" and you can take the discussion anywhere.

  8. Movies by conureman · · Score: 2, Informative

    One thing that might generate extra interest is stuff that has been adapted into a movie. Daphne du Maurier's "The Birds" comes to mind, but I'm pretty antiquated.

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  9. More classics and sources by Stile+65 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd add some H. G. Wells and John W. Campbell - classics before Asimov (although Campbell's personal views are somewhat controversial now). And of course Asimov was mentioned by some people above me already.

    Also, there are genres that fall within sci-fi and fantasy, like alternate history. Some good sources for short stories, too, are the Asimov's, Analog and SF&F literary magazines, and also short story digests published on a regular basis that include some big names writing short stories for the more literary public.

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    1. Re:More classics and sources by Stile+65 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh, and for classic fantasy you can't do much better than pre-monotheistic mythology. Gilgamesh, the Iliad and Odyssey... all those fun gods and creatures that form the basis of modern fantasy. Don't forget the Celts and the Norse and the Slavs (Orson Scott Card wrote a book based on Slavic mythology!), and also don't forget African and Asian and pre-European-dominance Australian and American cultures as sources of myths that to this day color horror and fantasy.

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    2. Re:More classics and sources by RIAAShill · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd add some H. G. Wells and John W. Campbell - classics before Asimov (although Campbell's personal views are somewhat controversial now). And of course Asimov was mentioned by some people above me already.

      I agree completely about looking beyond Asimov and company. I can't vouch for the Campbell (never read anything of his before). But here is my list of top picks.

      Mary Shelly's Frankenstein is an excellent bit of classical literature that deals with topics such as hubris, justice, and divinity. It is also an enjoyable, easy read.

      The War of the Worlds is notable for being written in a timeless style. Its parallels to the imperialism of the British Empire is excellent fodder for in depth student research.

      Good Omens nicely turns Christian Apocalypse doctrine on its head while providing insights into the battles between bureaucracies and nation-states. May be controversial because of its connection to religious doctrine, but one of the more entertaining pieces on this list.

      Gulliver's Travels, which is excellent satire, even if some of its messages are a bit heavy-handed. A little harder to read than some of the others, but an excellent piece nonetheless. Plus, there are so many common memes that derive from these tales. The various parts are easily read separately. If you only assign part of it, I would keep A Voyage to Lilliput and A Voyage to Houyhnhnms.

      The Lottery is a must-read. You should find out if many of your students have been exposed to this from other literature courses. If not, then go for it! It has so many lessons about peer-pressure, hypocrisy, institutional momentum, and more. Plus, it is the exemplar "twist ending."

  10. How SF has changed with the Times by Syncerus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It would be interesting to emphasize how SF has evolved with society. From Vern and Wells in Victorian Europe, to Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" and "Stranger in a Strange Land", which demonstrate both sides of American culture in the 1960's. John Brunner's "Stand on Zanzibar" is a terrific period piece, and Zelazny's "Lord of Light" is also a blast.

    In my view, SF took a serious downward turn from the early 1980's, but there are exceptions, to be sure. With the entire range of SF at your disposal, there's no reason to select junk when there are so many gifted authors to study.

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  11. I know... by ZekoMal · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...religion!

    All joking aside, I can't see why this class is necessary. Science Fiction and Fantasy are meant to be enjoyed. If you force children who aren't interested, they still won't like it. If it's an elective, then you'll get kids who have probably already read all of the books that might be offered, so they won't fully enjoy it either. Unless it worked around not that well known literature and focused more on discussions and less on bulk reading/essays, it might have some merit.

    For that matter, a good 1/3 of my books read in plain ol' Lit were sci-fi/fantasy. Would that class be changed to general lit? Will there be no other specialized lit classes? Will they cut general lit and change it into specialized lit, so that no one has to leave the genre they like? I prefer the generalized approached to reading, otherwise you are in danger of never leaving your comfort zone.

  12. Enjoyable books, please. by Ikronix · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Ender's Game." "Lord of the Rings." Hell, "Chronicles of Narnia." "Starship Troopers." "The Demolished Man." "Ringworld." No reason not to sprinkle some legitimately entertaining reads into the mix, and since the above-mentioned books all have fairly rich themes to discuss, you won't compromise academic value to get something that might hook them.

  13. Took similar course, but as a college junior by Amigan · · Score: 4, Informative
    We did a book a week. Some of it was tough sledding. I doubt that will be a viable speed for HS - where the student's won't be buying their own copies.

    We spanned HG Wells (Time Machine) through Larry Niven (Ring World). A lot of it depends on how the material is presented. My prof at the time was a repressed poet, and went into the deep meaningful relationships in Heinlein's "Double Star" and swore that the author was seeing a shrink while writing the book. We also went through the original Foundation trilogy where the prof kept pointing out how the administrators of the planet were going through a feminization and had an oral fixation. During the discussion of "Dune" (and again later in "Ring World") there was pointing out of the male fear of falling into a hole - especially a hole with teeth.

    Personally, I would look at the older scifi (golden age, 30s-50s) for technology that they proposed and see how long it took to actually implement. Then look at technology mentioned in contemporary scifi and see how close we are to getting there.

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    1. Re:Took similar course, but as a college junior by baKanale · · Score: 5, Funny

      You know, sometimes a Shai-Hulud is just a Shai-Hulud.

  14. Don't forget Bradbury by chrisj_0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    One of the best first Sifi books is The Illustrated Man, by Ray Bradbury.
    The stories are short and insightful and will make for great discussions in this age group. Although it was written in the early 50's the stories are (from what I remember) still very relevant with great social commentary.

  15. Re:Let the students... by MozeeToby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As much as I want to agree, I just can't. Any liturature class should be about exposing the students to works that they would probably not have discovered on their own. If you only have them read what they like, they would have read it without the class anyway. I definately feel that giving them a choice has a place in such a class, but more like something to do at the end, and have them write a report comparing and contrasting the 'classics' with their choice of book.

  16. Re:i'm not trying to be a troll by swanzilla · · Score: 5, Funny

    but while you're teaching high school students science fiction, kids in other high schools are learning actual science

    In other high schools, kids are learning about mutual exclusivity.

  17. Rendezvous with Rama by nacturation · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Rendezvous with Rama, by Arthur C. Clarke. Great novel the perfectly fits the classic sci-fi genre and deals with the "what if" of alien contact and how it could possibly come about. It has ties to biblical stories (eg: Noah's ark) and packs quite a bit of detail (physics, biology, computers, etc.) into a fairly easy read. Rama II was a decent followup and goes more into social issues, but the subsequent novels go progressively downhill and are only worth reading just to find out what happens.

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  18. The Mandatory Five by sgt_doom · · Score: 2, Informative
    Please, to not have Iain Banks' The Player of Games is a major shortcoming. Truly THE CLASSIC of future fiction and quite thought-proking.

    Also, the following should be included as well:

    Drakon, by S.M. Stirling

    Watermind, by M.M. Buckner

    Improbable, by Adam Fawer (not listed as sci-fi, but definitely in the modern genre)

    and, of course, A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, by Douglas Adams

  19. As someone who once took such a course... by Hamshrew · · Score: 3, Informative

    I can tell you that you should explore the roots of speculative fiction and what it means. For example, here are the novels that we read in my class(which was admittedly a college-level course).

    Pilgrim's Progress (John Bunyan)
    The Invisible Man (Wells)
    The Hobbit (Tolkien) - Whatever you do, don't try to do so thoroughly. The Hobbit alone is a lot of material.
    The Neverending Story (Michael Ende) - HIGHLY recommend this one.
    Divine Right's Trip (Gurney Norman) - This was an excellent book that I still reference today, but is probably the first one on this list that I'd drop.
    Neuromancer (Gibson)

    We also covered numerous short stories. A few of the more memorable ones:

    The Cold Equations (Tom Godwin) - Excellent, if dated. there's a film of it, as well, but it added a lot of side material.
    The Celestial Railroad (Hawthorne) - Highly recommended after Pilgrim's Progress.
    The Last Question (Asimov) - Required reading.

    Heinlein is also an excellent choice, though we didn't cover it in my class.

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  20. Re:Let the students... by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Depends though. I was in a number of literature classes and book clubs in high school and a lot of the books that have made the most impact weren't the "classic" books that everyone thinks about, but rather the odd book that one or two students really liked so the entire class read it. For example, even though my teacher had never read an Ayn Rand book, one of the students had and recommended it, and it really challenged and expanded my view of the world. It also helps reduce certain biases by teachers in what types of books you read (and its pretty easy with fantasy/sci-fi for a teacher to project their own personal beliefs via the types of books).

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  21. A few other names to consider... by farrellj · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You can get more people reading if you give them books that will catch there interest. Throwing Dune and Stranger in a Strange Land might scare off some newer readers...so it's always good to get some sort of a tie-in that they can relate to...and a good example of that would be Robert J. Sawyer's Flashfoward , which has the tie-in of the TV series based upon it. This leads to all sorts of great discussion topics for students about how Media interacts with Art.

    Another to consider is Cory Doctorow's Little Brother . In this book, the main chracactors are high school students dealing with both mundane questions of teenage life, and fairly deep questions about freedom, authority and technology. And the technology is current, so that it will appeal greatly to today's high school i/n/m/a/t/e/s/ students.

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  22. Stross by Frogg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Accelerando - Charlie Stross

    simply superb! :)

  23. Unless you want students trying to fuck their moms by StealthyRoid · · Score: 3, Funny

    Avoid Heinlein. He's only got like 3 good books anyway (Starship Troopers, Moon is a Harsh Mistress [best sci fi book ever], and half each of Stranger and Cat), and subjecting anyone to that convoluted, Oedipus-driven Lazarus Long shit at an early age is either going to turn them off the genre, or make them try to mount their mothers.

  24. Don't mix literature courses and SF by russotto · · Score: 5, Funny

    Heinlein, _Friday_. Because the parents are going to complain anyway, so you might as well give them a reason. Bonus points for the 1983 cover.

    1. Re:Don't mix literature courses and SF by dpilot · · Score: 3, Informative

      Heck, if you really want to shock the parents with Heinlein, try "Job: A Comedy of Justice". My wife and I were reading it with each other through part of the labor of our second child. I think the monitoring nurse was either religious or a bit fundamentalist - at any rate she was awfully quiet, moreso than other nurses, or even she was before we began reading.

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  25. Cold Equations by new+death+barbie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "The Cold Equations" a short story by Tom Godwin (wiki'd the author). It's been 40 years and I still remember the story, that says something. I remember hating the story, because unlike most pulp SF at the time, it didn't have a happy ending; in fact I cried.

    I hated it, and I recommend it. You'll hate it too.

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  26. Your question is too broad. by Bootsy+Collins · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You might as well have asked people to name their favorite fantasy or sci-fi authors; you're going to get zillions of lists of recommendations without much guidance on what to pick and why.

    IMHO, you need to look at that course description and ask questions like "Can you suggest some high quality fantasy or sci-fi works that have as their core theme "the relationship of humans with their environment" or "the nature of intelligence" or whatever.

    Two recommendations I'd make:

    1. Don't be afraid to go old (H.G. Wells _The Time Machine_, for instance, attempts to make some provocative claims about what happens to an increasingly technological society -- remarkable given when it was written).

    2. Steer away from huge works. LOTR is my favorite fantasy book; but books like that are too big. They prevent you from reading too much other stuff because of time constraints.

  27. short stories by cretog8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Stick to short stories, exclusively or almost exclusively. Short stories have always been the medium which best captures SF, gets to the point the, "here's an idea, let's explore it some" nature of SF, while when things expand out to novel size it loses some of that (in spite of many great SF novels).

    Plus, doing short stories makes it easier to keep people's attention, and less likely to lose people who've fallen a few chapters behind in the reading. Either you've read the story or you haven't. Changing stories day by day / week by week / whatever means you can get different styles in that appeal to different kids and break any monotony. It also gives you more flexibility to change your mind about course direction in the middle-if it seems like a good time to change direction, you don't have to finish slogging through the current novel first.

    Also, you're not going to be able to cover the span of what you'd like to cover in one class, you'll have to leave things out. If you go with novels, you'll have to leave more things out.

  28. Nerds by FireofEvil · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nerds belong in a sci-fi/fantasy lit class. but on a more serious note, The Last Question by Isaac Asimov should definitely be on the list.

  29. Re:Enders Game... by gbarules2999 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Then somebody will bring up Card himself, and then you'll never get the kids to stop yelling at each other.

  30. Another Name to Consider by knarfling · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A classic SF writer that is often forgotten is Fredric Brown. Although his SF stories are often short (usually less that 1000 words) they are totally amazing and stand the test of time very well. One of his more famous short stories, "Arena" was used as the basis of a Star Trek episode by the same name.

    I personally liked his several short stories that dealt with time travel and the many ways that people tried to deal with them. My favorite story, "The End", deals with what would really happen if someone could make time run backwards.

    The real brilliance of his writing is that he could make you think without delving into political commentary and do it in just a few words. His stories were descriptive enough that you could picture the worlds he described, but not so descriptive that they limited the story to a particular time or place. Stories written in 1954 could have easily been written in 1994. In other words, truly timeless science fiction, something that is very, very difficult to do.

    I will get off my soap box now, with a quote from Fredric Brown.

    "The last man on earth sat alone in a room. There was a knock at the door..."

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  31. Escape Pod podcast. by wdavies · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The best free sci-fi on podcast I've come across is from Escape Pod.

    Currently at about 200 short stories narrated often by the original authors, includes original and award winning works. Kudos to the guy who does it. I've stopped listening now I dont drive 2 hours a day to work and back.

    http://escapepod.org/

    Each is between 30 mins and an hour or so, reading, mostly non-dramaticized.

  32. I'm here to criticize by Stargoat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm here to criticize. The purpose of Fantasy, and to a lesser extent Science Fiction, is not primarily escapism. Rather, it is to create an understanding of the human condition by using speculation or other plot devices. The first thing that comes to mind are those black white / white black dudes on Star Trek - which you should probably show your class as an example of what science fiction is actually about. I think you also need to define for your class what is speculative fiction, what is hard science fiction, and what is fantasy with spaceships and fantasy with unicorns.

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  33. Georgia Tech by kjs3 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Georgia Tech has been offering a ridiculously popular Science Fiction literature class since the 70s. You might use it's curriculum as a guide. http://lcc.gatech.edu/~brobertson3/texts/sf.pdf

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  35. I can answer this!!!111ONEONEONE by kimvette · · Score: 2, Funny

    Re: What Belongs In a High School Sci-Fi/Fantasy Lit Class?

    Microsoft total cost of ownership studies. ;)

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  36. I had this class... by demonbug · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was fortunate enough to have taken a science fiction class in high school. I'd recommend nearly all of the books we covered:

    Starship Troopers (Heinlein)
    Childhood's End (Clarke)
    Dune (Herbert)
    A Canticle for Leibowitz (Miller)
    Space Merchants (Pohl/Kornbluth)
    Ender's Game (Card)

    Those are the ones I remember that I would recommend. The only other novel I recall from the class was Earth Abides by George Stewart, but I detested it.

    I'm sure there are any number of books you could add (I think there must have been something from Asimov that we read, but I don't recall what), but that was a pretty good crop with decent variety, and didn't include some of the other classics that the students have read/will read in other classes (like Fahrenheit 451 and 1984). We also did a couple movies (Star Wars as a framework for the traditional hero's journey, Independence Day because it was new and big [a friend and I wrote a tongue-in-cheek paper claiming that Independence Day was actually about the spread of the evil that was AOL, spread by those pesky disks]). We also did a few short stories: A Sound of Thunder, Prospector's Special, and some story where an architect builds a crazy multidimensional house that collapses in on itself stick in my mind.

    I'm not sure what I'd go to for the fantasy portion of such a class. Tolkien of course, but after that it becomes much more difficult - there are a lot of science fiction books that are stand-alone, but with fantasy a lot of the better ones I've read are part of a series, and it becomes difficult to identify one book from a series that really encompasses everything you want to include. Ursula K. LeGuin's Earthsea books are great (and the first three are quite short, so you might even be able to fit them all in), maybe The Riddlemaster of Hed by Patricia McKillip (sp?).

  37. What? IMHO that's not true! by Myrcutio · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The really great SF novels incorporate just as much character development and moral dilema as any contemporary fiction. Orson Scott Card for example frequently gives his protagonists (and antagonists occasionally) moral issues to deal with in futuristic settings. One of the things i love most about the Ender series is the way he uses relativistic space travel to alter the relationships over decades long correspondence. See Ender in Exile -- in the last few chapters -- for an example of this.

    Also since the parent mentioned 1984, it's worth noting how much Orwell focused on the dystopia's effect on Smith's psyche. Not to say the environment isn't significant, but you can't discount the human element in a good book, no matter the genre.

    Other authors i would add to the list to cover, Niel Gaiman (Stardust is priceless, though there is an explicit scene), C.S. Lewis (Perelandra is difficult diction, but really creative), Marlowe (Faustus could be considered an early Fantasy), Dan Simmons (if adult language/graphic content are admissible), Bram Stoker, and if you want a fantasy piece that comments on the time period, Spenser's Faerie Queene is exactly that.

    Other authors i haven't personally read but have been recommended are Feist, Salvator, Saberhagen, and maybe Thousand and One Nights, but that's a stretch.

  38. Politics and contemporaneous fiction by mollog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But just to make sure everyone understands it will be politicized the last sentence of the /. summary is the tell:

    You and I may have strong feelings about politics, but high school students will be indifferent and oblivious. How much danger does one high school class represent? Exposing students to readings will be a very ineffective way of 'political indoctrination'. Get a grip. Effective 'indoctrination' requires a real life figure, such as Rush Limbaugh, or Glenn Beck.

    If I were selecting a syllabus for the class, I'd go for variety and then compare and contrast the works. Understanding certain works of science fiction requires some understanding of the mood of the times.

    I am personally fascinated with the post-WWII era and the existentialism that the GI's were bringing home from the war. Authoritarianism was a prevailing cultural theme from the war right on through to the 60's, contrasted by the counter-cultural existentialism and the 'beats'.

    L. Ron Hubbard would be an example of the Authoritarian type, with his tendency to reinvent words to form a group-speak, bending meaning. Very 1984. 'Typewriter in the Sky' is typical of Hubbard's pseudo-psychological style.

    Aldous Huxley's 1945 The Perennial Philosophy would be a good counterpoint.

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  39. Re:Is it too much to ask by jbezorg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, there are some people who would have an opinion on the authors but that is totally unfair for those who don't. So in the interest of fairness, I gave some people something to rant about so they have something to post.

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  40. Re:Unless you want students trying to fuck their m by Nakanai_de · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Had to reply to this. I agree with your assessment that Heinlein's novels are not the greatest (Although I thought "Time Enough for Love" had some interesting ideas), and I was a hardcore Heinlein fanboi for a while. But his short stories are amazing. "By His Bootstraps" is one of the coolest time travel stories ever. "The Man Who Sold the Moon" is brilliant. And "Life-line" and "Let There Be Light," his first two published stories, are really good descriptions of the conflict between transformative technologies and entrenched interests, which have arguably more relevance today than when they were first written (c.f. the automobile or music industries). Because the OP asked for ideas of short stories as well as novels, and you can't include novels by everyone, by all means, feature one or two of Heinlein's short stories. Because any sci-fi/fantasy class that "avoid[s] Heinlein" is like a Classical Music class that omits Beethoven.

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  41. Terry Pratchett, winner and still champion by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mr. Pratchett's work is brilliant, insightful, and often as funny as Monty Python. Racism, war, discrimination, child-raising, gangs, drug addiction, and all the ills of the modern age are covered in ways that both entertain and educate.

    I wish the man would visit my neighborhood so I could buy him a hat.

  42. Don't Forget Max Brooks. by Captain+Courteous · · Score: 3, Informative

    I realize this may not occur to anyone as a shoe in for such a course, but I took a class in my sophomore year of college in which we covered Max Brook's World War Z. Almost every other text used in the class was met with mixed enthusiasm (we covered Dune, Neuromancer, Caves of Steel, Electric Sheep, Starship Troopers, etc.) but everyone seemed to love Brooks' work and discussion went fantastically. Any student vaguely familiar with Bush-era political controversy will gain a huge appreciation of how effectively satire can be incorporated in works of science fiction. And everyone loves zombies right now, so it's win-win.

    Where Le Guin is concerned... If you dare to subject high school kids to The Left Hand of Darkness, good luck reviving them afterward. I know little about Earthsea, but from what I've heard secondhand, that may be a more viable option for your purposes. If including a female author is what you're looking to do, then go for Mary Shelley, the woman who invented the science fiction novel.

    Someone has probably already said it, but show people how wonderful the mind of Tolkien was by giving them The Hobbit, not the trilogy. The Hobbit is the book that made me love to read. As far as I'm concerned, it offers much more memorable people and places in a much tidier package than the drawn-out, song/poem-laden trilogy. One advantage to using LotR, however, would be if you were looking to get into the function of allegory.

    For short stories, a nice place to start might be Neil Gaiman's collection Fragile Things.

    Dune is awfully hard not to recommend. One of my favorite novels, it wasn't until I read it with others that I started to notice uncanny resemblances to certain modern-day desert conflicts.

    And if you get a chance, be sure to fuck their minds up with some Phillip K. Dick and make them laugh with the first installment of Hitchhiker's Guide.

  43. Celtica311 by celtica · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would suggest Terry Goodkind's First Book, Wizards First Rule, even though it is extremely lengthy because it is the beginning to what I believe to be the best Fantasy series ever to be written. Also, Tad Williams' Otherland is exceptionally wonderful. Something you maybe able to do for the longer books is assign them at the beginning of the semester and have an extra-credit test at the end of the semester over the book.

  44. Thematic grouping by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well it's impossible to ask for recommendations without those recommendations being influenced by emotions. But one way to at least mitigate that is to structure it around themes, since the description specifically states that the class will involve various social issues. For example:

    Read Robert Heinlein's "Starship Troopers," Joe Haldeman's "The Forever War," and John Scalzi's "Old Man's War." Then discuss what they think each author thought about war and its consequences and how that reflected or disagreed with society's views at the time.

    Read James Alan Gardner's "Commitment Hour," Lois McMaster Bujold's "A Civil Campaign," and David Brin's "Glory Season" and discuss gender roles and how science fiction can be used to explore them.

    Read Walter M. Miller, Jr's "A Canticle for Leibowitz," Roger Zelazny's "Lord of Light," and Lois McMaster Bujold's "Curse of Chalion" and discuss the role of religion in SF/Fantasy.

    Read William Gibson's "Neuromancer," Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash," and Vernor Vinge's "Rainbows End" and discuss how our view of the future in general and computers in particular has changed over the past few decades, as well as the differences and similarities between "serious" prediction of the future and satirical commentary on the present.

    Alternately one could read early and late books for each of Heinlein, James P. Hogan, Hubbard, Orson Scott Card and Michael Crichton and discuss the varying degrees to which (nominally) decent SF authors go loopy in their later years :)

    I'm sure there're lots more ideas along those lines.

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