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Penny-Sized Nuclear Batteries Developed

pickens writes "Nuclear batteries that produce energy from the decay of radioisotopes are an attractive proposition for many applications because the isotopes that power them can provide a useful amount of current for hundreds of years at power densities a million times as high as standard batteries. Nuclear batteries have been used for military and aerospace applications for years, their large size has limited their general usage. But now a research team at the University of Missouri has developed a nuclear battery the size of a penny that could be used to power micro- and nano-electromechanical systems. The researchers' innovation is not only in the battery's size, but also that the batteries use a liquid semiconductor rather than a solid semiconductor. 'The critical part of using a radioactive battery is that when you harvest the energy, part of the radiation energy can damage the lattice structure of the solid semiconductor,' says Jae Wan Kwon. 'By using a liquid semiconductor, we believe we can minimize that problem.' The batteries are safe under normal operating conditions. 'People hear the word "nuclear" and think of something very dangerous,' says Kwon. 'However, nuclear power sources have already been safely powering a variety of devices, such as pacemakers, space satellites, and underwater systems.'"

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  1. ohhhhh... by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 5, Funny

    so this is what Iran has been up to... now it all makes sense.

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    1. Re:ohhhhh... by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know this a joke, but it does remind me of something. One of the arguments that people on the far right have tried to use to convince the public that Iran is trying to build bombs and not energy is: "Iran has so much oil, why would they care about nuclear energy?"

      Easy, sherlock... they aren't going to have oil forever. Iran might be thinking ahead. They might not want to make the same mistake that the U.S. made it comes to oil dependency.

      Having said that, I still think that Iran's program is to make a bomb... but I think that argument is idiotic.

    2. Re:ohhhhh... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Informative

      Iran has crude oil. What they *don't* have is gasoline...fuel oil...asphalt...and so on. Iran has very little in the way of refining capability (it didn't help that a large chunk of their refineries got blown up in the Iraq-Iran war). In fact, one of the sanctions that's been discussed for Iran is cutting off their gasoline supply.

    3. Re:ohhhhh... by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Easy, sherlock... they aren't going to have oil forever. Iran might be thinking ahead. They might not want to make the same mistake that the U.S. made it comes to oil dependency.

      Or, they could figure that it's bloody stupid to burn their own oil for power when they could sell it on the market as global supplies dwindle and/or demand rises. Better to use nuclear to generate electricity and use the fossil fuels to provide revenue for the future.

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    4. Re:ohhhhh... by radtea · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Iran has so much oil, why would they care about nuclear energy?"

      For the same reason Canada does.

      Canada has almost as much oil as Iran and has a large civil nuclear power program. Here in Ontario we get about half our electricity from nuclear power, despite all that oil in Alberta and elsewhere.

      So anyone bringing this point up about Iran is just demonstrating their complete ignorance of the world, and disqualifying themselves from being taken seriously regarding American foreign policy.

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    5. Re:ohhhhh... by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Having said that, I still think that Iran's program is to make a bomb...

            Nahh, having a bomb is really a fringe benefit. Pakistan has bombs, North Korea has bombs, and it doesn't stop those countries from being shit-holes. Having a bomb does not immediately confer upon you God-like abilities. Though it does tend to make warmongering politicians pause a little.

          Iran would rather have our wealth by maximizing sale of crude, and keep on exporting oil. Hell when oil was at $150/bbl I think every country in the world was seriously thinking about building a nuclear reactor. And the Iranians were probably crying at all the "lost profits" due to domestic consumption.

            Of course, the American president has just won the peace prize. So if he says it's ok to attack Iran, that must make it ok.

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    6. Re:ohhhhh... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it didn't help that a large chunk of their refineries got blown up in the Iraq-Iran war

      The Iraq-Iran war was over 20 years ago. They could have rebuilt their refining capabilities by now had they chosen to do so.

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    7. Re:ohhhhh... by faffod · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Put yourself in their shoes. You have a super power that has repeatedly made belligerent comments about you. That same super power decided it didn't like your neighbor and overthrew their government. Now imagine the roles were reversed. Lets say that Russia went in and overthrew the government of Honduras, all while making noises about not liking the USA. What would the USA do? (Hint, it was called the cold war and we built up an nuclear arsenal).
      I might not care for the regime that is in place, but placing sanctions and talking about going to war with them means that they need electricity and to shore up their defenses.

    8. Re:ohhhhh... by jeffasselin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even better: burning oil in combustion engines is retarded. We need that oil to power modern industries like plastics and high tech engineering.

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    9. Re:ohhhhh... by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh I agree. Having a bomb-making capability is certainly a fringe benefit. However in today's energy-starved world, nuclear power makes sense for ANY nation, and ESPECIALLY for an oil exporting nation. Because if they end up consuming their own exports, what ELSE are they going to export? Sand? Dates?

      There is a valid argument for a nuclear powered Iran without even considering nuclear weapons. But, as you said, having some would certainly be a bonus.

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    10. Re:ohhhhh... by byoung · · Score: 3, Informative

      From TFA:

      "To provide enough power, we need certain methods with high energy density," said Jae Kwon, assistant professor of electrical and computer engineering at MU. "The radioisotope battery can provide power density that is six orders of magnitude higher than chemical batteries."

      Power density.

    11. Re:ohhhhh... by Rei · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They misspoke or were written down wrong. Six orders of magnitude more power density than chemical batteries wouldn't be a battery. It'd be a bomb. Further evidence toward a mistake is that they were just talking about "high energy density".

      Why do so many people confuse energy and power?

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    12. Re:ohhhhh... by the_arrow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to long ago they didn't have any capacity to build any nuclear facilities, now they have plenty of capacity. If they managed to get from zero to nuclear power in such a short term, why can't they get their oil industry back on line again? I doubt everyone knowing anything about oil refinery have fled the country, or died in the war with Iraq.

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  2. Cars??? by clonan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So lets scale these up and replace the power pakcs on cars!

    I would love to be able to drive for a few hundred years between recharges!

    1. Re:Cars??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Haha, yeah. Until Joe Public hears the word "nuclear" and shits a brick.

    2. Re:Cars??? by clonan · · Score: 4, Funny

      We can just say its "nucular" and be all cute like George W.

      The world will never know the truth!

    3. Re:Cars??? by Robin47 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Recharge? How do you recharge a battery that depends on the decay of radioisotopes?

    4. Re:Cars??? by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i was thinking more along the lines of a bios battery that will last until the next ice age.

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    5. Re:Cars??? by Smegly · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The usual suspects are already against it, regardless of whether the tech is viable or not... and in this case the said usual suspects only have to yell "Nuclear Threat!!" to an already scared population to keep this off your roadways, forever... whether its a valid fear or not

    6. Re:Cars??? by CoolHnd30 · · Score: 5, Funny

      but it seems that a car-sized isotope battery would

      It would be difficult to fit a battery the size of a car into a car....

    7. Re:Cars??? by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 4, Funny

      As with all other batteries just store them in a torch and next time you need them they'll be dead :(

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    8. Re:Cars??? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So don't call it "nuclear decay." That just sounds bad all around.

      Use a tried and proven practice by inventing a euphemism for "nuclear decay." How about "elemental ebbing," or "EE" for short?

      Joe Public would definitely buy something labeled, "Powered by EE, as in grEEn!"

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    9. Re:Cars??? by Bai+jie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You know, maybe we need a new word for nuclear. A good old rebranding like corporations do when their name is now met with general public distrust (regardless if the distrust is warranted). We can still call all bombs nuclear, but from now on we should use the term Hydro-Exothermic power plants to describe new power plants. Or something that makes people think of steam instead of ZOMG radiation and bombs.

    10. Re:Cars??? by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You don't recharge it. You use it for a thousand years, then throw it into a landfill. Or a nearby star.

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    11. Re:Cars??? by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yep, I'm old enough to remember when an MRI scan was a NMR (Nuclear magnetic resonance) scan. The marketroids changed that as soon as the scans were out of the lab.

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    12. Re:Cars??? by fincan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So lets scale these up and replace the power pakcs on cars!

      I would love to be able to drive for a few hundred years between recharges!

      Screw the car, I want this on my next laptop.

    13. Re:Cars??? by jcochran · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... saying that Chernobyl only happened because of stupidity doesn't make the problem go away. In fact, if Chernobyl failed because of some technical flaw that would actually be easier to fix. Human stupidity isn't. If nuclear plants start proliferating in third world countries, the chance of another Chernobyl becomes likely.

      Then I guess you should rejoice. Chernobyl failed due to a technical flaw that allowed human stupidity to cause the melt down. The flaw was fundemental to Chernobyl's design. Chernobyl was a graphite moderated reactor. In a nutshell, this meant that the reaction would continue at full speed even with a loss of cooling. Due to this hazard, that design was banned in the West long before Chernobyl happened. The reactors used in the western world were typically light water reactors. With these reactors, a loss of cooling water in the core would cause the primary reaction to slow down and stop. There would still be secondary reactions caused by the further decay of isotopes created by the primary reaction. And these secondary reactions could generate enough heat to damage the core, but not nearly to the extent that happened in Chernobyl.

      Finally, designs have gotten simplier and better since then.

    14. Re:Cars??? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Meh, call it "material power", put it in a AA form factor, and sell it for $20 as a "forever battery".

      Forever batteries -- now with 400,000 Ah capacity. Take pictures until your camera breaks. Never charge your Wiimotes. Keep your family safe with never-dying smoke detectors.

      and the kicker:

      your cell phone will never run out of power.

      Joe Public will be lining up around the block to get their hands on these bad boys.

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    15. Re:Cars??? by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IF they're talking about an RTG, I'd rule that right out. I'm not fond of the idea of every car in the country carrying hundreds of kilograms of highly radioactive isotopes around when manufacturing defects are inevitable and there are 6.3 million car crashes and 260,000 car fires every year.

      On the other hand, it sounds like what they're describing is actually betavoltaics (God, I hate it when science articles are this vague...). If that's the case, no big deal. Betavoltaics use tritium as the fuel, and tritium is less dangerous than, say, the lead in your lead-acid battery. It's a very weak radiation (can't penetrate skin, doesn't go very far through air), and when ingested, the tritium (generally being in the form of water) has a very short residency in the body.

      The problem with scaling up betavoltaics is supply. How can you supply that much tritium in any remotely affordable manner? It just doesn't seem plausible.

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    16. Re:Cars??? by psydeshow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Atomic.

      Atomic battery. Seriously, it's all quaint and 1950s. Still a little cool and scary, but also fully controllable.

      Three Mile Island and Chernobyl were Nuclear Power Plants, generating Nuclear Power. We want to build Atomic Energy Stations that generate Atomic Energy. See the difference in how it sounds?

    17. Re:Cars??? by artemis67 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, "nuclear decay" sounds nasty and horrible.

      Marketing has an idea to replace it with something much more enticing:

      "The penny-sized battery -- powered by Kitten Purrs!"

    18. Re:Cars??? by iamangry · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only if while we do that we rebrand coal to "Ancient Corpse Turbofurnaces" and solar to "Death Ray Harvesters" and wind mills to "Breeze Annihlators". Then people will BEG for "Atomic Energy"

  3. This is impressive by RealErmine · · Score: 5, Funny

    but I would be equally impressed by a penny that was the size of a nuclear power plant.

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    1. Re:This is impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      A penny saved is a penny used to crush your foes. Or for giant gumballs.

  4. Nuclear isn't the problem. by bmo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Everything is safe under "normal conditions"

    The problem is that normal people are fucking stupid. Imagine the shitstorm when someone disassembles one of these to "see what's inside."

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    1. Re:Nuclear isn't the problem. by bmo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which isn't all that much better with other kinds of batteries.

      It's one thing to clean up after someone drilled a hole in a Lithium battery and had it flame up.

      It's another to decontaminate the livingroom, car, Starbucks counter the guy stopped at for his coffee, etc, because he got liquid radioactive semiconductor on his fingers and wiped it on his pants.

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    2. Re:Nuclear isn't the problem. by Lueseiseki · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Everything is safe under "normal conditions"

      The problem is that normal people are fucking stupid. Imagine the shitstorm when someone disassembles one of these to "see what's inside."

      -- BMO

      Saying that is like implying that everything is intrinsically safe, and it's humans which will invariably mess things up just because it's possible. In a way you're right, people will do stupid things regardless, but things are designed/exist as (less) safer than other things. Guns kill people under normal conditions, knives cut people under normal conditions, tear gas aggrivates parts of peoples' eyes under normal conditions.

    3. Re:Nuclear isn't the problem. by bmo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I got modded "funny" for proposing a scenario where a guy contaminates everything he touches because he disassembled one of these types of battery.

      They found traces of Po210 *everywhere* in the case of Litvinenko, even on the plane the assassin flew in. The assassin was trained in how to handle Po210 so he wouldn't kill himself yet he left traces of Po210 all the way from Moscow.

      I know there are Po210 based anti-static brushes that professional photographers use. These are sealed, and your typical mouthbreather isn't likely to buy one or even know it exists.

      These researchers would like to see these in consumer level devices and don't expect someone to take one of these apart? Naive at best. Get out of the flippin' lab once in a while, guys.

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    4. Re:Nuclear isn't the problem. by VitrosChemistryAnaly · · Score: 2, Funny

      The problem is that normal people are fucking stupid. Imagine the shitstorm when someone disassembles one of these to "see what's inside."

      I think that would make for an interesting episode of "Will it blend?". Up this week: a nuclear battery!

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  5. Ya Ok.. by drewsup · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just don't let Sony make them.. imagine the fireworks then!

    1. Re:Ya Ok.. by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yikes, I'd hate to have one of those batteries do a "China Syndrome" through my lap.

      Then again, I could probably heat my greenhouse with one during winter.

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  6. Re:I thought we already had a BIG issue by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Battery disposal is the first thing that comes to mind (as well as the "idiot throwing one into a fire" that come up above these comments), however if you create batteries that last A LOT longer, doesn't disposal become *less* of a problem? It doesn't go away, but if the batteries last as long as advertised doesn't it mean we need a lot less space to store the waste (but the waste might be a heck of a lot more toxic)?

  7. Foundation by locallyunscene · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of the things that always stuck out at me was the mini nuclear batteries in the Foundation series of books. I had just assumed such things were impossible and were just and artifact of the time the books were written in. Apparently my imagination just wasn't flexible enough.

  8. How much voltage/current? by Air-conditioned+cowh · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just curious. I had a quick look at the University website but couldn't find anything. This article gives a bit more info on it, http://engineering.missouri.edu/news/stories/2009/nuclear-battery-outstanding-at-conference/index.php.

    1. Re:How much voltage/current? by Dan+East · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The "problem" is that the current would not be variable. The amount of electrons produced would be consistent (or perhaps slowly reduce as the elements decay). The article says that it contains a "million times as much charge as standard batteries". True, but it might take 100 years of decay to produce those electrons.
      So this would be fine for something that draws a consistent amount of current, like a wristwatch (not counting the backlight), but for most applications this power source would have to be coupled with an actual battery or capacitor to store the continuously emitted electrons for use on demand, or to provide bursts of current, etc.

      So this would be more like a trickle battery charger than an actual battery.

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    2. Re:How much voltage/current? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/10/liquid-nuclear-battery-that-could-have.html, which quotes the published paper, the battery provides 16.2 nW, has open-circuit voltage of 899 mV, and short-circuit current of 107.4 nA. When they talk about micro- and nano-mechanical applications, they're not kidding. It would take a stack of 61,728,395 of them to provide 1 watt.

  9. Re:Power density or energy? by quantumphaze · · Score: 3, Informative

    TFA mentions nothing about the actual power these things can put out.

    A power source that lasts forever is suddenly not very useful if it only delivers a few milliwatts. I can see its uses, but it won't be replacing lithium ion batteries in phones and laptops any time soon.

  10. Re:Pacemakers? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Informative

    Come on now, Iron Man isn't real!

    That wasn't nuclear power, that was an Arc Reactor. Which is short for Story Arc Plot Hole Reactor. It runs on the writer's need for an infinite power source.

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  11. Niche applications by Painted · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There are a number of niche applications where this could be incredibly useful. As others have said, pacemakers and other implanted or critical medical devices (I'm thinking defibrillators), but also emergency lighting and well, pretty much anything that has a larger, traditional battery pack that has to be trickle charged.

    A fairly obvious application would be long-life smoke detectors, since they already contain radioactive materials. You could stick one up on a vaulted ceiling and forget about it for 10 years...

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  12. Rated in Nanoamps by BigSlowTarget · · Score: 2, Informative

    It would be great to replace the power packs of everything with them, but they are currently rated in nanoamps of output and microvolts of potential. Scaling them up (and making them cost less than $1 million for a AA cell) is the challenge and its a big one that will take a lot of work.

    Shielding isn't a big problem incidentally.From other articles one of the popular nuclear sources is tritium which is used on gunsights and stairwell markings. Half life is pretty short and shielding level required is skin (i.e. don't eat it or breath it).

  13. Re:Domestic terrorism has never been easier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, this isn't even close to accurate. Nuclear chain-reactions only occur under a very specific set of conditions, and some guy with a sledgehammer doesn't come close to qualifying.

    I know you were half joking and not entirely serious, but it's this sort of ignorance that the idiotic population cling to as an argument not to use nuclear power, thereby holding us back for decades in using a plentiful, clean, and efficient source of power.

    Of course, the same idiots that hate the pollution produced by coal power plants also hate nuclear. These idiots expect us to be gathering fart power across the globe and funneling it into a wind turbine to produce CLEAN ENERGY.

    Oh wait, farts = methane = greenhouse gas. Can't use that then. Try harder next time, you stupid scientists! Meet my impossible demands whilst I rant and rave incoherently with the liberal arts degree I dropped out of because it was too hard!

  14. Best Part of the Summary by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 3, Insightful

    'However, nuclear power sources have already been safely powering a variety of devices, such as pacemakers, space satellites, and underwater systems.'"

    If this quote even reaches only one anti-nuclear nutjob and opens their eyes, just a little, to the benefits that nuclear energy can provide when handled safely and appropriately, then the world will be a slightly better place. This message needs to get spread around and stated by every single physicist, engineer, mathematician, and wrench monkey that works in any field associated with nuclear energy. It needs to be stated in every single press conference, peer-reviewed journal, and twitter feed by anyone talking about the subject that has any authority. Simply by throwing this short little blip into his discussion, Jae Wan Kwon has already earned more respect in my eyes than Michio Kaku...

  15. Re:Would never be in consumer applications by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You mean like the small chip of Americium 231 in smoke detectors?

    Or the Thorium in Coleman lantern mantels?

    Or Radium/ Tritium in watch dials?

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  16. This is NOT a battery, it's a RTG by mrnick · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Something that produces energy from the decay of radioisotopes is called a Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator (RTG) whereas a battery is an array of electrochemical cells for electricity storage.

    3 Mile Island and more recently Chernobyl have our society so afraid of nuclear power, the dreaded China syndrome, that regardless of how safe it becomes we will refuse to adopt it.

    RTG technology is the safest way to produce energy and the greenest energy known to man. It takes something that would otherwise be dangerous and turns it into something productive. NASA uses this technology to power space probes, Voyager-1 is still being powered by one today, and will continue to do so until the year 2025. Plutonium 238 is the best fuel for a RTG, because of its long half-life and the fact that it cannot (yes CANNOT) sustain a chain reaction is somehow any of it started to fuse.

    I looked into this technology when I built a mini robotic submarine in graduate school. But, that's when I found out two things: 1) I would have to submit to an anal probe before the Nuclear Regulatory Commiseration (NRC) would denied me the right to posses any more radioactive material than can be found in about 3 smoke detectors and 2) The room, labeled radioactive storage, in the Science building, where I attended University, with the big yellow radioactive sign is there to impress benefactors and since it lacks a smoke detector contains no radioactive material (LOL).

    Improvements in power generation from nuclear fuel has become pretty safe over the last few years. Pebble bed reactor technology can theoretically remain stable indefinitely even without external cooling, though I don't think that has been put to the test. But, to be a viable energy solution a country really needs to adopt this method on mass because each reactor can only power a portion of a city so to be a major benefit a country would have one of these in everyone's backyard. RTG technology is even safer. It generates energy from the heat that occurs from the natural decay of a nuclear fuel.

    If I could get my hands on say an ounce of Pu 238 I could build a RTG that would power my home, all my vehicles, and enable me to quit my job and live of the check my local electricity provider would have to pay me for the excess power I would generate. It would generate full power for ~ 87 years and not only wold I be using the greenest power available I would be providing a community service of disposing of a radioactive material.

    But, echelon might flag me for even writing this post (looks around nervously)... The irrational fear of a China Syndrome scenario combined with the recent dose of terrorism (fear of dirty bombs) would never allow me to build one, even if I was a nuclear scientist, which I am not.

    So, make an inventory of the smoke detectors you own. If the total is above 3 then you are in possession of enough nuclear material that would require you to get a license from the NRC. If you don't have a license from the NRC and own more than 3 smoke detectors you are likely in possession of an illegal amount of barium and could be flagged as an enemy combative and thanks to George W. Bush enemy combative have no right to any legal representation and can be summarily executed or detained for an indefinite amount of time without even informing anyone that they took you into custody.

    Heck, I don't need smoke detectors that much!

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    1. Re:This is NOT a battery, it's a RTG by Urza9814 · · Score: 2, Informative

      "So, make an inventory of the smoke detectors you own. If the total is above 3 then you are in possession of enough nuclear material that would require you to get a license from the NRC. If you don't have a license from the NRC and own more than 3 smoke detectors you are likely in possession of an illegal amount of barium and could be flagged as an enemy combative and thanks to George W. Bush enemy combative have no right to any legal representation and can be summarily executed or detained for an indefinite amount of time without even informing anyone that they took you into custody."

      First of all, don't most smoke detectors use Americium, not Barium? Secondly, from what I can find, the NRC doesn't required a license unless you have more than 10 microcuries (for Barium), and most smoke detectors use only 1.

  17. Re:Domestic terrorism has never been easier by OutSourcingIsTreason · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, the ultimate source of farts is atmospheric CO2 sequestered by the chlorophyll in green vegetation. It's only the evil fossil fuels that add massive quantities of CO2 to the atmosphere.

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  18. Nuclear fear by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nuclear materials usually are not very dangerous for their nuclear properties. For most nuclear materials your skin is all the protection you need. You can get irradiated if you ingest it, which is how Nuclear medicines intnetionally work. But in many cases nuclear materials like Plutonium are more toxic as chemicals then they are dangerous as radioactive materials. You would not intentionally eat battery acid either, and evidently people don't do it accidentally very often either. The death rate from plutonium ingestion would presumably be about the same as the death rate from people ingesting car batteries.

    The upside of nuclear materials is that unlike trace chemical contamination, which is hard to find and hard to clean up (e.g. think ancient leaking service station gas tanks contaminating well water), nuclear contamination is easy to find, easy to trace and easy to know when you have cleaned it all up.

    would a single hundred year nuclear battery be less harmful to the enviroment or humans than a hundred years of mercury cadmium telluride hearing aid batteries and all the waste products to mine, produce and transport them?

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  19. Pacemaker power? by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    nuclear power sources have already been safely powering a variety of devices, such as pacemakers

    Considering my pacemaker battery needs replacing every 5 years (and I'm just 41) by cutting into my shoulder, I'd like very much to know more.

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  20. WRONG by noisyinstrument · · Score: 5, Informative

    Something that produces energy from the decay of radioisotopes is called a Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator (RTG) whereas a battery is an array of electrochemical cells for electricity storage.

    You didn't read the article.

    The batteries use Sulfur-35 which is a beta emitter. Aka, electrons. They do not use thermocouples at all.

    Read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betavoltaics

  21. Declassifying Beta Decay isotopes lighter than Fe. by jameskojiro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They really need to declassify Beta Decay Isotoped lighter than Iron as Dangerous or terrorist materials. Beta Decay is pretty damned harmless and you cannot use it to 'Breed" other nuclear materials like you can with Neutron/Gamma/ or even alpha decay sources. Also if the decay substance is an element lighter than iron you cannot get any usable energy out of it if it Fissions. You can only get energy out of it by having the neutrons decay into Protons and eject a electron. (electricity which can be used)

    Electrons will never get inside the core of another atom to change the atomic structure and therefor are not useful at all when it comes to making inert elements radioactive.

    Maybe we could make large Nuclear waste processing plants that use heavy volatile elements that gamma or neutron decay to breed large amounts of light elements that beta decay, then ship the material to regional "power plants" that are nothing more than large Light element Nuclear RTG/Beta batteries.

    The greenie weenies would never stand to let such a project be built because they are weenies.

     

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  22. Re:Power density or energy? by SwordsmanLuke · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...powering the pump for the artificial hearth...

    What, you mean like one of these?

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  23. Re:Mini-RTG by cdrguru · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is not an RTG. RTG devices run pretty hot - thermal, you get it.

    What these devices do is output an incredibly small amount of electricity from the actual radioactive decay of materials. Incredibly small. Microwatts.

    They are used in pacemakers and the like because of extremely low power requirements - less than a watch - and the need for a stable power source that will last years and years.

    It might be possible to stack up 100 of these to power a single LED. That is the level of output from these devices. And they aren't cheap.

  24. Re:So what do you think about the type of plants by jbengt · · Score: 3, Informative

    One correction: Ahmadinejad is not a theocratic dictator. In fact he's neither theocratic nor a dictator. He's a civil servant and a pandering politician with very little power. The real power lies with the revolutionary guard and the Supreme Leader. He's a theocratic dictator.

  25. Re:Disposal by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Put a $2 deposit on them and you'll have most of them returned. The rest will be picked up by the same meth-heads who go through the garbage cans for pop bottles.

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  26. Re:So what do you think about the type of plants by some_hoser · · Score: 3, Informative

    Your facts about the reactors are completely wrong here.

    First off, you can use either light or heavy water reactor to make plutonium, it makes little difference except that a short cycle (typical but not necessary of heavy water reactors) makes better plutonium.

    Enrichment is necessary for light water but not heavy water, although it can be economically beneficial for a heavy water reactor.

    Heavy water reactors are no bigger, except that the capital costs makes large ones more viable.

    The biggest reactors in the world are light water.

    Also, the first reactors did not use heavy water, they were graphite moderated.