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Cosmic Radiation Makes Trees Grow Faster

Diamonddavej writes "The BBC reports that researchers at the University of Edinburgh have found that Galactic Cosmic Rays (GCRs) somehow makes trees grow faster. GCRs vary according to the 11-year solar cycle, with more GCRs hitting the Earth during solar minimum when there is a lull in the solar wind, which normally acts to protect the inner solar system from external galactic radiation. The mechanism might have something to do with GCRs increasing cloud cover, which diffuses sunlight and increases the efficiency of photosynthesis. Nevertheless, the researchers remain mystified and are requesting further ideas and research collaboration to test hypotheses. (How about Radiation Hormesis, AKA 'Vitamin-R?')" Here is the paper's abstract at the journal New Phytologist. The researchers say: "The relation of the rings to the solar cycle was much stronger than to any climatological factors. ... As for the mechanism, we are puzzled."

162 comments

  1. Big Surprise by JumperCable · · Score: 4, Funny

    researchers at the University of Edinburgh have found that Galactic Cosmic Rays (GCRs) somehow makes trees grow faster

    I don't think they need to look any further for answers than the Fantastic Four.

    1. Re:Big Surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow... you just got me thinking of the Power Cosmic.

      Lawful Neutral

      Such a bad ass enemy.

    2. Re:Big Surprise by Kratisto · · Score: 0

      Galactic Cosmic Rays? That's a stupid way to say "Sunlight."

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    3. Re:Big Surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, some life giving power outside of our solar system?
      Proof for God!!!

      Or, the drop of solar activity (which is also causing the increased GCR), causes plant growth.

    4. Re:Big Surprise by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      They doo in fact grow faster but get cancer.

  2. It's called research by EdIII · · Score: 4, Funny

    As for the mechanism, we are puzzled

    Geez and they're scientists? Just do a little research. I suggest Marvel Comics. Plenty of good info there. At the risk of starting war, I would caution them against research using DC Comics as they are for simple idiots that live in their mother's basements.

    1. Re:It's called research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are so dead now.

    2. Re:It's called research by jtorkbob · · Score: 1

      mothers'

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    3. Re:It's called research by jdgeorge · · Score: 2, Funny

      mothers'

      No, the GP was implying that people who read DC Comics are all children of the same mother, and that they live in a multitude of basements that she owns. That mother must be one amazing woman.

    4. Re:It's called research by wayland · · Score: 1

      Wonder Woman say "All your basement are belong to us" :). 

  3. causality is possibly wrong by wizardforce · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If the solar cycle is what determines the level of GCR that gets to Earth then it may very well have absolutely nothing to do with the tree growth its self but an indicator of solar conditions which influence tree growth rates.

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    1. Re:causality is possibly wrong by socsoc · · Score: 2, Funny

      But correlation is causation.

    2. Re:causality is possibly wrong by cjfs · · Score: 3, Funny

      But correlation is causation.

      No, the two are merely correlated.

      Ow...

    3. Re:causality is possibly wrong by maglor_83 · · Score: 1, Funny
    4. Re:causality is possibly wrong by khayman80 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's what I'm thinking too. GCR intensity is highest when sunspot activity is lowest, generally modulating on an 11 year cycle. But solar irradiance also varies at the same frequency; the Sun is actually (~0.1%) brighter when more sunspots are present, contrary to intuition.

      If tree growth between 1953-2006 really is highest when sunspot activity is lowest, that implies trees grow faster when the Sun is very slightly dimmer. Weird. Their diffusion explanation makes sense, but as they note this cloud condensation effect is supposed to be a very small effect. Perhaps it's just large enough to be noticed in these proxy data, though. I agree, however, that a link to solar irradiance is more intuitively appealing, and it's not immediately obvious how it could be ruled out.

      I'd bet they've already considered this issue and ruled it out, possibly by using satellite measurements of solar irradiance and solar wind over the last few decades. They're supposed to be tightly correlated, but if the solar wind varies even slightly differently than solar irradiance it should be possible to see which is causing this variation in growth rates.

    5. Re:causality is possibly wrong by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      What if trees detect that there is a solar minimum and grow bigger in response to it because trees that grew bigger in the past during solar minimums survived.

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    6. Re:causality is possibly wrong by Eukariote · · Score: 2, Informative

      Though there is little variation at visible and near UV wavelengths, the solar flux has a huge (factor of three) variation with the solar cycle in the extreme UV: http://www.usc.edu/dept/space_science/sem_data/SEM%20Data%20Graphs/SEM_1996-2009.jpg.

      EUV and X-ray photons constitute a marked fraction of the total solar output. A much larger fraction than you would expect from the short-wavelength tail of the black-body spectrum of the solar surface. Indeed, these emissions are mostly from the corona, not the surface: EUV at 171A http://www.lmsal.com/YPOP/ProjectionRoom/latest_TRACE_171.html, and an X-ray image http://www.lmsal.com/YPOP/ProjectionRoom/latest/sxt/full/sxtdag_512.gif.

      Such high-frequency photons are absorbed in the very upper layers of the atmosphere. However, roughly 50% of the secondary energetic effects (heating, fluorescence, ionization-recombination emission, etc.) will reach ground level instead of going back out into space.

      If something here on earth is varying with the solar cycle, the first cause to consider is therefore the solar EUV and X-ray flux.

    7. Re:causality is possibly wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, and temperatures also show an 11 year cycle...

    8. Re:causality is possibly wrong by idunno2112 · · Score: 1

      Most plants are more sensitive to the blue-violet side of the spectrum for photosynthesis, with a few exception having increased sensitivity to the red side.

      My theory is that since humans tend to have peak sensitivity in the green portion of the spectrum and our perception of brightness is near zero in the blue-violet-ultra-violet range it is possible that the brightness of the sun has limited or no effect on plant growth.

      Moreover, the solar wind is directly porportional to the strength of the Earth's magnetic field and the Earth's magnetic field blocks less blue-violet-uv then when the magnetic field is weaker so more blue-violet-uv frequencies make it to the plants and hence increase a plant's photosynthetic rate thus contributing to higher growth.

      Maybe GCR is to photosynthesis what steroids are to muscles.

    9. Re:causality is possibly wrong by khayman80 · · Score: 1

      the Earth's magnetic field blocks less blue-violet-uv then when the magnetic field is weaker so more blue-violet-uv frequencies make it to the plants and hence increase a plant's photosynthetic rate thus contributing to higher growth.

      Magnetic fields don't affect light, only charged particles.

    10. Re:causality is possibly wrong by idunno2112 · · Score: 1

      I do believe magnetic fields do indeed have an effect on light since there seems to be a relationship between luminosity and magnetic activity.

      Moreover, while the following effects may not affect luminosity they do show interaction between magnetism and light: the Faraday effect and the Magneto-optic Kerr effect.

      The polarization of light through a magnetic field may also play a role in the properties of the light reaching the plant.

      It's only a theory, and quite possibly incorrect since my Ph.D. in astrophysics is a perfect example of the "null" effect. :P

    11. Re:causality is possibly wrong by jc42 · · Score: 1

      But correlation is causation.

      No, the two are merely correlated.

      Ah, but what causes the correlation? Can we correlate the causes?

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    12. Re:causality is possibly wrong by khayman80 · · Score: 1

      I do believe magnetic fields do indeed have an effect on light since there seems to be a relationship between luminosity and magnetic activity

      That just shows that the solar cycle affects both the luminosity and magnetic activity of the Sun. It doesn't show a causal connection between the two.

      Moreover, while the following effects may not affect luminosity they do show interaction between magnetism and light: the Faraday effect and the Magneto-optic Kerr effect.

      Yes, Faraday rotators are used in optics labs to rotate the polarization of polarized light. I didn't mention either of these effects because they're irrelevant in this context. Sunlight isn't polarized, so rotating its polarization doesn't do anything. Plus, the magnetic fields required for a measurable rotation are far stronger than the Earth's field. Finally, notice that the effect is proportional to the square of the wavelength. This means the effect is much weaker for visible light (and especially weak for blue-violet light) than for radio waves.

    13. Re:causality is possibly wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right. Perhaps the reaction is of a genetic origin and it somehow protects the trees from the effects of the increased radiation, especially during the times when the heliopause decreases in size below the orbit of the Earth. They surely have had the time to adapt during, something like at least 360 million years of evolutionary history.

    14. Re:causality is possibly wrong by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      that implies trees grow faster when the Sun is very slightly dimmer

      Didn't we learn from Intro to Biology that plants grow on the side facing away from the sun? That direct sunlight inhibits growth?

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    15. Re:causality is possibly wrong by khayman80 · · Score: 1

      Most plants exhibit positive phototropism; i.e. they grow towards light. I'd think that more sunlight = faster growth, as do the researchers in the article because they reason that higher GCR intensity = more clouds = more diffuse light = easier to penetrate forest canopy = more light available to plants = faster growth.

    16. Re:causality is possibly wrong by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Most plants exhibit positive phototropism; i.e. they grow towards light.

      Right, because the cells facing away from the light are the ones growing at the faster rate, so the net is that the plant as a whole grows towards the light (the faster-growing cells become the outside of the curve).

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    17. Re:causality is possibly wrong by khayman80 · · Score: 1

      Interesting, I hadn't thought of it that way. Plants have evolved to orient towards the Sun in order to maximize growth rates (presumably- otherwise why would this strategy be selected for?) This implies that cells receiving less light than other cells in the same plant will grow faster in order to point the leaves towards the Sun, thus maximizing the plant's overall growth rate. I thought you originally meant a plant would grow faster on the shaded side of a hill than on the sunnier side, but I now understand that you were making a different point. I'm still not sure this effect would occur if the overall light intensity changed-- it seems like an effect that depends on relative differences in light intensity.

    18. Re:causality is possibly wrong by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I'm still not sure this effect would occur if the overall light intensity changed-- it seems like an effect that depends on relative differences in light intensity.

      Good question - as I recall the sunlight has an inhibitory effect (the plants still grow at night), but _all_ of this is from my freshman in high school bio class. I had a super good teacher, but I'm certainly no botanist.

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    19. Re:causality is possibly wrong by hawkfish · · Score: 1

      If the solar cycle is what determines the level of GCR that gets to Earth then it may very well have absolutely nothing to do with the tree growth its self but an indicator of solar conditions which influence tree growth rates.

      I suspect this is related to one of the current global warming contrarian canards - that GCRs are responsible for increased cloud formation which in turn produces a warmer climate due to more atmospheric water acting as a GHG. Needless to say, the contrarian "science" there is as bad as it is everywhere else...

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  4. cue the bad superhero jokes ... by Korbeau · · Score: 4, Funny

    in one, two, tree ...

    1. Re:cue the bad superhero jokes ... by sadness203 · · Score: 1

      Your super farseeing power were a little bit off, just 4 minutes late. Not so bad actually.

    2. Re:cue the bad superhero jokes ... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Less of that! Now, please leaf.

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    3. Re:cue the bad superhero jokes ... by BobGod8 · · Score: 1

      How did we get onto this branch again?

    4. Re:cue the bad superhero jokes ... by DinDaddy · · Score: 1

      That sort of humor sticks with you

  5. Cloud cover by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The mechanism might have something to do with GCRs increasing cloud cover, which diffuses sunlight and increases the efficiency of photosynthesis.

    How about cloud cover leads to more precipitation?

    1. Re:Cloud cover by pclminion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How about cloud cover leads to more precipitation?

      No. Precipitation cannot be larger than evaporation. Evaporation is heat driven, and cosmic rays do not input enough heat energy to significantly contribute to evaporation.

    2. Re:Cloud cover by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How about cloud cover leads to more precipitation?

      No. Precipitation cannot be larger than evaporation. Evaporation is heat driven, and cosmic rays do not input enough heat energy to significantly contribute to evaporation.

      Radiation nucleates droplets in clouds so that water vapor precipitates where it otherwise would have stayed in the atmosphere. Its a bit like how dust from outer space contributes to rainfall by encouraging the formation of drops big enough to fall as rain.

    3. Re:Cloud cover by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks a lot for ruining the mystery!

      I'm never taking you to a movie, you'd just spoil the ending!

    4. Re:Cloud cover by sillybilly · · Score: 1

      That's a nice hypothesis to test, if you also collect rainfall data.

      I was also thinking about DNA damage caused by radiation. All organisms are resilient to some low levels of radiation, or DNA molecular damage caused by even oxidizers/chemicals, heat, or radiation, and have sophisticated self-repair functions. Aging is deliberate built in function in all known multicellular organisms, caused by a counting mechanism that counts how many times the individual cells have divided - bacteria live indefinitely in this sense. Radiation might accelerate the cell division process, but at the same time, the aging process. But aging might be more complex than a simple count, what determines the overall age of an organism? Is it the count of a cancerous cell going haywire? Is it an average, local count? Is it the least multiplying cell? There is a lot of "junk" DNA that we don't understand, that might have sophisticated mechanisms to generate and regulate aging, involving counting day/light or even moon cycles, sleep/awake feed/hungry cycles, beyond a simple cell division count. Or aging might be as simple as each individual organ going at it at their own rate, and if someone has say, a wacky behaving liver for instance, that decides to age at a faster rate then the rest of the body, you could say there is a person with a 90 year old liver in a 40 year old body and everything ages independently. You could say some heavy alcoholics are like that, but I suspect a 90 year old liver is vastly different than a 40 year old artificially damaged one. I suspect aging is regulated on a whole organism level, by the organism. Aging is done on purpose, and it seems to happens too predictably to be just a random fluctuation of how some organs go. After all nobody lives 300 years. Though there are some people who don't make it past 20, still, we recognize how old people are just from looking at them. Aging is by design, death is by design, so that there can be mating and offsprings. It's a faster, better way to adapt to an environment, by throwing random solutions at a problem, to see which one sticks, brute force, 99.99% waste, but it solves the problems, which is more than no solution at all. Without death, with eternal life, there is no offsprings, no rooms for offsprings, and no automatic adaptation, or just a very slow one. If we humans ever create eternal life humans, that will mean no death, but also no children.

      How cosmic radiation, or even radioactive radiation affects an organism can be very complex. For instance enhanced growth patterns in tree rings could be called "tumors", or "irregular growth patterns." We know radiation can both create and kill tumors. Perhaps a low dose creates a uniform low-tumor-activity type growth in all trees. Tumors can be benign or malignant, and benign tumors in and of themselves might be a form of evolution, if they are found to be a better adaptation to a given environment. What's irregular growth anyway? Who's the judge of that? Time is.

    5. Re:Cloud cover by Stupid+McStupidson · · Score: 1

      That's just what they want you to think.

    6. Re:Cloud cover by jcr · · Score: 1

      Aging is deliberate built in function

      There are no "deliberate" functions in DNA, only those which are selected by environmental pressures.

      -jcr

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    7. Re:Cloud cover by pz · · Score: 1

      The mechanism might have something to do with GCRs increasing cloud cover, which diffuses sunlight and increases the efficiency of photosynthesis.

      How about cloud cover leads to more precipitation?

      Right. Correlation is not causation, no matter how hard you wish it so. Another hypothesis is that GCRs -- since they are observed to vary with the solar cycle -- are an epiphenomenon, and the real driving force is the solar cycle.

      Nothing to see here but another ill-thought-out observation of which there are plenty. The 11-year solar cycle also drives the insolation (amount of light hitting the earth), the magnetosphere, the amount of accreted cosmic dust, the aurora borealis, the cloud cover, the sea levels, the mean temperature ... saying it's the frelling GCRs that causes growth patterns is pretty far down on the list.
       

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    8. Re:Cloud cover by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      since clouds over land typically have too much dust and thus droplets too small to fall as rain, the further decrease in droplet size would probably serve to decrease rainfall. In theory anyway, it might just keep it minimal.

      (This is in contrast to overseas, where there is little dust and the water vapour typically doesn't have enough dust to collect onto)

    9. Re:Cloud cover by tabrnaker · · Score: 0, Troll
      Put the kool-aid down and step back...

      Science could do with less fanatics, and more people who actually understand what science achieves.

    10. Re:Cloud cover by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah well it depends on where you are. Here in Australia getting water vapor to precipitate before it crosses the east coast is an issue. Most of it flies right over because we don't have enough terrain to push it up to form ice.

    11. Re:Cloud cover by autora · · Score: 1

      Not saying that I agree with using the word "deliberate" either but can you give a possible environmental pressure that would have led to aging being successful?

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    12. Re:Cloud cover by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Not saying that I agree with using the word "deliberate" either but can you give a possible environmental pressure that would have led to aging being successful?

      Easy. Take a nearly immortal, non-aging specie. Take another one in the same ecological niche that reproduces quickly, ages and dies. In face on changing conditions, the first one will have problems, but the second one, thanks to its random mutations, will adapt and thrive, possibly replacing the first one entirely.

      Immortality of many cells is called cancer and leads to death of the individual. Immortality of many individuals likely causes death of the specie.

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    13. Re:Cloud cover by autora · · Score: 1

      I get obviously the concept that aging and death allows adaptation to the species - just having a hard time visualising that sometime in our evolutionary history there were some animals that didn't age. Never heard that before *shrug*.

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    14. Re:Cloud cover by jlehtira · · Score: 1

      No. Precipitation cannot be larger than evaporation. Evaporation is heat driven, and cosmic rays do not input enough heat energy to significantly contribute to evaporation.

      Well, clouds are good at trapping heat near Earth's surface.

      Also, locally, precipitation is very often larger than evaporation. Maybe more clouds over land doesn't have much to do with evaporation at sea.

      There's also this feedback effect that slightly more heat means more water vapor, which is a strong greenhouse gas and thus means more heat.

    15. Re:Cloud cover by radtea · · Score: 2, Interesting

      just having a hard time visualising that sometime in our evolutionary history there were some animals that didn't age.

      They're called micro-organisms, although they don't exactly "not age". They reproduce by binary fission and therefore the offspring cells are nominally genetically identical to the parent. You can, if you like, say that one of them IS "the parent" (possibly with a bit of genetic modification) and the other is "the offspring." If you look at it that way (which admittedly takes a bit of squinting) their are single-celled organisms that around that are millions of years old (but genetically very different from their nominally identical selves of millions of years ago, due to those accumulated modifications.)

      The GP's point is also not exactly correct: "competition" in the evolutionary sense doesn't happen between species. It happens between individuals of the same species. So a better way of putting the argument is: species with very long lifespans will be strongly selected for shorter lifespans when the rate of environmental change is high.

      That is, the individuals who reproduce younger will have a larger chance of having offspring that are well-suited for the current environment, and those offspring will tend to reproduce younger as well, allowing the next generation's selective filtering (a nice euphemism for killing lots and lots of individuals) to operate rather more gently than on the offspring of individuals that reproduce later in life.

      Age of first reproduction tends to be strongly anti-correlated with longevity. It's just like writing code under a tight deadline: the adaptations to get the job done fast tend to reduce maintainability, and it appears that the advantage of reaching the age of reproduction earlier and having a shorter reproductive lifespan is, in the typical environments found on Earth, more significant than building to last but not squeezing out those first pups for a couple of years after your contemporaries have.

      If the Earth's environment were far more stable, species would be much longer lived. As it is, with significant natural climate variation on all timescales from decadal to milenial, a very long-lived species would have individuals adapted to one environment pushing out offspring in environments that they would be relatively ill-adapted for. There's very little selective advantage in that (although one could perhaps argue for the advantage of a really, really long-lived species that was able to wait it out until the next round of optimium conditions occurred. But there are some minima that even evolutionary algorithms have a hard time reaching.)

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    16. Re:Cloud cover by autora · · Score: 1

      Very interesting and informative - thanks radtea! (I wonder whether there's been any sci-fi books based on more stable planets with very long lived sapient species)

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    17. Re:Cloud cover by jcr · · Score: 1

      Put the kool-aid down and step back...

      I drink coca-cola, not kool-aid, thanks.

      Science could do with less fanatics, and more people who actually understand what science achieves.

      Are you trying to call me a fanatic?

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    18. Re:Cloud cover by pclminion · · Score: 1

      Radiation nucleates droplets in clouds so that water vapor precipitates where it otherwise would have stayed in the atmosphere. Its a bit like how dust from outer space contributes to rainfall by encouraging the formation of drops big enough to fall as rain.

      It can certainly induce local rainfall, but neglecting a feedback effect, it can't make the entire planet "rainier" because there is no increased input of water vapor to the atmosphere.

    19. Re:Cloud cover by sillybilly · · Score: 1

      Sometimes in our evolutionary history there were some unicellular organisms, that didn't age, because they multiplied by cell division. Aging doesn't make sense in their case, unless they internally grow a few offspring cells, and release them into the environment, and then they grow some more. When one cell splits into two identical copies (except mutation cases), it's hard to say which one was the original, which is the copy, and track the original and see how many copies it ejects before suffering internal degradation, and no longer being able to duplicate. Single celled organisms just don't function like that, though you never know, we might find a peculiar one out there that does age, in some complicated sense.

      All multicellular organisms, including plants such as seaweeds (algea) that have sexual fucntions, will age, and die, to give room to the offsprings. Sex and death go hand in hand - you have a way to track parents vs. offsprings, as opposed to unicellular bacterial cell divisions. Ultimately, parents have to give room to offsprings, or there is severe overpopulation, and parents competing against offsprings, and that nixes the whole point of going through the trouble and energy expense of producing offsprings through sex instead of simple autodivision. Sex, requiring more than one unit, is a way to increase the rate of mutations and "stillbirths," compared to simple division.

      So as a summary, there were never any animals in our evolutionary history that didn't age. There were never any multicellular plants that didn't age either. If we came from single celled organisms that "moved", such as Euglena, which is a eukaryote that can move, photosynthesize, and consume other cells as food by phagocytosys, then multicellular plants were never in our evolutionary history, but they evolved as a separate branch from the same single celled organisms as we did, but developed the concept of sex and death independently.

    20. Re:Cloud cover by sillybilly · · Score: 1

      Oh, radtea already answered it, very nicely too. It's neat how he says similar things. I didn't get that far while reading down through the comments and answering.

    21. Re:Cloud cover by sillybilly · · Score: 1

      One interesting note here is that humans and turtles and elephants live longer than most other animals. In this sense, the longer living species require or have found themselves a lifestyle, environment and sustenance with more peace than the ones whose lives are measured in dog-years.

  6. My pot is doing great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Increased GCR's + light diffusion increasing photosynthesis...all natural organic compounds, this year has been heartier than most.

  7. Repeat after me: Correlation Is Not Causation by Shaterri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Especially in a case like this, where there are other tightly-correlated variables. Why is the authors' presumption that it's the cosmic rays (or lack thereof) that are regulating tree growth, rather than solar and sunspot activity itself? It seems at least as plausible to me that sunspot activity correlates to some other solar features (e.g., solar irradiance) that would have a more natural and direct effect on tree growth than cosmic rays.

    1. Re:Repeat after me: Correlation Is Not Causation by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Informative

      Are you saying that tree growth may be causing cosmic radiation?

    2. Re:Repeat after me: Correlation Is Not Causation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      it's the butterfly effect or something

    3. Re:Repeat after me: Correlation Is Not Causation by cmdotter · · Score: 1

      ...and I thought this might have been proof that astrology is actually real. Alas, I keep waiting.

    4. Re:Repeat after me: Correlation Is Not Causation by CptNerd · · Score: 1

      Irradiated butterfles?

      (which, BTW, would be a great name for a rock band)

      (so would "Galactic Cosmic Rays". Just sayin'.)

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    5. Re:Repeat after me: Correlation Is Not Causation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm getting seriously bothered by /. posters commenting on research papers they have not read with criticisms that are covered in the paper they are commenting on. Why don't you go off and read the paper and then tell us whether it is solar irradiance or not. Now get off my lawn

    6. Re:Repeat after me: Correlation Is Not Causation by locallyunscene · · Score: 1

      Why is the authors' presumption that it's the cosmic rays (or lack thereof) that are regulating tree growth, rather than solar and sunspot activity itself?

      Because he has a statistical correlation showing that when comic rays increase, plant growth also increases? FTFA:

      When the intensity of cosmic rays reaching the Earth's surface was higher, the rate of tree growth was faster. The effect is not large, but it is statistically significant. The intensity of cosmic rays also correlates better with the changes in tree growth than any other climatological factor, such as varying levels of temperature or precipitation over the years.

      Also interesting for those mentioning sunspots FTFA:

      The levels of cosmic rays reaching the Earth go up and down according to the activity of the Sun, which follows an 11-year cycle. As for the mechanism, we are puzzled Sigrid Dengel University of Edinburgh Every 11 years or so, the Sun becomes more active, producing a peak of sunspots. These sunspots carry a magnetic field that blocks and slows the path of energetic particles. When the researchers looked at their data, they found that tree growth was highest during periods of low sunspot activity, when most cosmic rays reached Earth. But growth slowed during the four periods of cosmic ray-blocking high sunspot activity, which have occurred between 1965 and 2005.

  8. It's Simple Really by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    What else grows from radiation? Cancer. Quod erat demonstratum, trees are cancer. Therefore we must cut them down and burn them. Perhaps form some sort of industry devoted to this.

    What? The "logging" industry? Oh, well, very good then. Continue.

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    1. Re:It's Simple Really by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

      I am the lorax. I speak for the trees, which you seem to be cutting as much as you please.

    2. Re:It's Simple Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Canker sores could be cancer. Cancer is treated with radiation therapy. Canker sores are caused by Hepatitis. Pamela Anderson has Hepatitis. She also had breast reduction surgery. Breast cancer is treated with breast reduction surgery. Pamela Anderson also causes wood. Does this mean I should irradiate my penis?

    3. Re:It's Simple Really by maglor_83 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes.

    4. Re:It's Simple Really by baKanale · · Score: 1

      No, just your seed.

    5. Re:It's Simple Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lorax looked like a pedophile.

      Just sayin'.

    6. Re:It's Simple Really by biryokumaru · · Score: 1

      Oh ya, unlike the Onceler, hanging out a window and tossing candy to little boys.

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    7. Re:It's Simple Really by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      Ow, my sperm!

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  9. Grow Ops. by theReal-Hp_Sauce · · Score: 1

    Now everyone with a grow op in their basement has to go out and buy new fancy lights which give off Galactic Cosmic Rays.

    -hps

  10. In other dendrochronology news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Allegations of misconduct have appeared regarding key IPCC dendrochronological 'evidence.' Several widely publicized papers may be based on a single flawed survey of cherry picked samples. Steve McIntyre of climateaudit.org has been analyzing long withheld data and has draw some disturbing conclusions.

    The story involves, in part, the exposure of raw data left unprotected on a file server by jealous researchers. One would think it might be of interest here on Slashdot given that the NYT is talking about it.

  11. Breaking News by Cryacin · · Score: 1

    Tree plantation at Chernobyl site proves highly profitable growth for the niche "glow in the dark" paper market.

    Film at 11

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    1. Re:Breaking News by olsmeister · · Score: 4, Informative

      Chernobyl is not cosmic radiation.

    2. Re:Breaking News by weicco · · Score: 1

      So ... We need to blow up a nuclear reactor to test this hypothesis?

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    3. Re:Breaking News by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

      No, Einstein.

      Radioactive decay particles:
        - alpha (2 protons+2 neutrons),
        - beta (electron or positron),
        - gamma (photons)
      Cosmic radiation:
        - photons (gamma)
        - protons
        - helium
        - electrons
      in high-speed, high-energy; ... not mentioning neutrinos, as they don't interact.
      These are two different tinfoil hats.

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    4. Re:Breaking News by weicco · · Score: 1

      First I thought that I add sarcastic smiley to my post but it turned out that my joke was much more fun this way (and possibly more informative), at least for me :)

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    5. Re:Breaking News by aliquis · · Score: 1

      So ... We need to blow up a nuclear reactor to test this hypothesis?

      No, Einstein.

      Just imagine the amounts of energy that would release! Though it would had been better to do it earlier when he weight more.

      That would show him not to play with nuclear physics!

      Something for the next-gen Prius?

    6. Re:Breaking News by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Soviet Russia did actually do experiments along these lines. They has lead lined urns with radioactive material inside which they used to irradiate seeds before planting. The hope was to get lucky with random mutations and produce super seeds, but it didn't work.

      IIRC there was some concern that the radioactive material could get into the hands of terrorists and used to make a dirty bomb, but nothing ever came of it.

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    7. Re:Breaking News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chernobyl is not cosmic radiation.

      Fantastic Four gained superpowers after exposure to cosmic rays during a scientific mission to outer space.

    8. Re:Breaking News by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      It's in the cosmos, isn't it?

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    9. Re:Breaking News by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Dude, it really is like Cosmic, dude. And totally tubular, too.

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    10. Re:Breaking News by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      What did Einstein ever do to you? Why you wanna' blow 'im up?

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  12. The solution for global warming! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 0

    Cause increased carbon sequestration by bombarding the Earth with radiation! This also has the beneficial side-effect putting an eventual end to homocentric global warming.

    1. Re:The solution for global warming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, selling global warming as anthropogenic is probably a better idea than homocentric.

    2. Re:The solution for global warming! by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Might be one way to convince the religious right...

      "We must stop homocentric warming!"

      "Oil works for homocentric warming, down with oil!!!"

    3. Re:The solution for global warming! by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Might be one way to convince the religious right...
      "We must stop homocentric warming!"

      Of course, most people of the "religious right" would probably interpret "homocentric warming" as meaning something about gay people getting all hot, which is something they'd definitely agree should be stopped.

      There's gotta be an instance of Rule 34 inside there somewhere ...

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    4. Re:The solution for global warming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might be one way to convince the religious right...
      "We must stop homocentric warming!"

      Of course, most people of the "religious right" would probably interpret "homocentric warming" as meaning something about gay people getting all hot, which is something they'd definitely agree should be stopped.

      I would never, ever have gotten that joke if you hadn't explained it to me! Thank you, sir, I'm in your debt!

  13. Once upon a time by Anonymous+Cowar · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They used to grow plants with radiation in the soil because it would cause them to grow faster. However, the problem is that this would irradiate the food that grew off of these plants.

    1. Re:Once upon a time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And?

    2. Re:Once upon a time by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Informative

      objects do not become radioactive unless they are bombarded with neutron radiation, high energy protons or extremely high energy gamma radiation capable of ejecting a proton or neutron to form a radioactive isotope. Simply irradiating an object does not necessarily make the object radioactive. Now in so far as plants having a higher growth rate due to radiation, I haven't heard much on the subject other than radiotropic melanized fungi living near Chernobyl having a substantially increased growth rate.

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    3. Re:Once upon a time by jamesh · · Score: 1

      objects do not become radioactive unless they are bombarded with neutron radiation

      Contrary to what you might have heard, plants don't just absorb water from their roots - they also absorb minerals etc. If any of the minerals in the soil that the plant absorbs happen to be radioactive then we have a problem. If the plant then enters any part of the food chain that ends with humans then we have a bigger problem.

    4. Re:Once upon a time by wizardforce · · Score: 1

      My post did not contain that information because I was responding to his concerns that irradiating food causes the food to be radioactive and to me it goes without saying that if something is already radioactive it will cause problems.

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    5. Re:Once upon a time by abarrieris5eV · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what you are referring to. I have heard that rare earth minerals were mixed in with soils in asia because they were believed to promote crop growth, though I have no idea if it's true. I have also heard that at nuclear test sites there was a zone after the area where everything was dead, but before things were normalized, where plant growth seemed to be accelerated, and that this may be the origin of OMG GIANT BUGZ movies that blamed radiation, also no idea if that is true. If anyone has some insight I would be interested.

    6. Re:Once upon a time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So? I eat irradiated food from the grocery store? Do you mean "radioactive" food? Being exposed to radiation does not make something radioactive, unless "they" are placing radioactive minerals into the soil and the plant is absorbing them... BTW what does your post have to do with the original topic?

      But then again, "they" do some mysterious stuff, I is afeared.

    7. Re:Once upon a time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, cancer has an "substantially increased growth rate". So yes, higher growth rate due to radiation is quite common.

    8. Re:Once upon a time by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Wonder what would happen if you used a geiger counter on a container filled with brazil nuts :).

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  14. I remember this finding... by hort_wort · · Score: 1

    from many years ago. The experiment was two identical growing chambers using artificial sunlight. One was placed in a normal building, the other underneath a mountain or something shielded from cosmic rays like that. It had the same result: it was found that plants grew better when they were getting the radiation. Does anyone remember this experiment?

    1. Re:I remember this finding... by tabrnaker · · Score: 1

      I'm curious as to whether you remember what qualified as 'better'. Bigger doesn't equal better in terms of many fruits/plants. Something i wish americans would learn with their produce.

    2. Re:I remember this finding... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, a plant doesn't care how tasty you find its fruit.

      A faster growing plant that gets larger quicker is "better" for its own purposes, most definitely. It will out compete its neighbors, have larger roots taking more water/nutrients from the environment and reach reproduction faster.

    3. Re:I remember this finding... by tabrnaker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Obviously you've never grown plants!
      Get back to us when you have real knowledge and not 'book smarts'.

    4. Re:I remember this finding... by TheLink · · Score: 0, Troll

      > Bigger doesn't equal better in terms of many fruits/plants. Something i wish americans would learn with their produce.

      Aren't the "Americans" also growing bigger and not better too?

      What else do you want them to "learn with their produce"?

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    5. Re:I remember this finding... by tabrnaker · · Score: 1
      If they could genetically modify them to increase my grammar skills would be a good place to start :)

      Blame it on spanish being my mother tongue... not that i speak spanish anymore...

  15. Radiation Horniness? by sillivalley · · Score: 1

    Damn, when I looked at it, I thought for sure it said "radiation horniness" -- following the sunspot cycle?

    Why not?

    People working with long distance radio communications -- whether it's LF for ships, ham radio, or spacecraft, knows the incredible variation the sunspot cycle can have on communications -- there are enormous swings in energy levels involved. Why shouldn't it show up in complex systems such as trees?

    And yes, the link may be indirect, it may not be direct causation, merely correlation, but that's often a good reason to look again, more closely, as there may be something interesting going on.

  16. Life imitates Gilligan's Island by bigsexyjoe · · Score: 2, Funny

    The cool thing is that you get super powers from eating the giant vegetables, too.

    1. Re:Life imitates Gilligan's Island by bcat24 · · Score: 1

      I am so glad this post is here. Slashdot has restored my faith in humanity.

    2. Re:Life imitates Gilligan's Island by timlash · · Score: 1

      Good pop culture reference, but the wrong one. The Little Rascals and their "invisible rays" hit this nail on the head decades prior to Gilligan. http://www.tv.com/little-rascals/robot-wrecks/episode/220468/summary.html

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  17. Paul Zindel by sohp · · Score: 2, Funny

    A 1964 publication by Paul Zindel entitled "The Effect of Gamma Rays on Man-in-the-Moon Marigolds" predates this research by quite a bit.

    1. Re:Paul Zindel by mrbobjoe · · Score: 1

      And here I was just thinking of The Colour Out of Space...

  18. Nitrogen Fixation by physburn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is an easy mystery to solve. When a cosmic ray hits the atmosphere, it creates a shower of ionizing radiation, each of the secondary particles are enough to ionizing oxygen and nitrogen molecules in the atmosphere, forming nitrogen oxides, these react ready with water forming nitric acid, which will precipitate in dilute form in the rain. Only lightning and cosmic rays can form nitrogen oxide, and lightning is relatively rare, so the amount of available free nitrates in the soil, depends very much on the amount cosmic rays hitting the earth.

    Plants of course need nitrogen to grow, the trouble is they can't absorb nitrogen from the atmosphere (except for Legumes (pea, and beans and similar plants)). So for the majority of plants and trees, not feed by human fertilizers, the amount of fertilizing nitrate available to them, is directly proportional the cosmic ray flux.

    Mystery Solved.

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    1. Re:Nitrogen Fixation by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 1

      Don't forget vehicle exhausts as a potential source of nitrogen oxides.

      Perhaps we should get rid of modern three-way catalytic converters and bring back the old two-way ones, in the interests of saving the planet and/or growing mutant super trees.

    2. Re:Nitrogen Fixation by AJWM · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Only lightning and cosmic rays can form nitrogen oxide, and lightning is relatively rare,

      Well no, lighting is fairly common, actually -- there's always a lighting storm going on somewhere. However, if one assumes that the global rate of lightning is fairly constant then given that the amount nitrogen oxides contributed by cosmic rays fluctuates, you'd still see a correlation. So you may be right.

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    3. Re:Nitrogen Fixation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Do we get to see your data now, or do we have to wait for your upcoming paper in The New Phytologist as well?

    4. Re:Nitrogen Fixation by Esteanil · · Score: 1

      Wow. If correct, (a quick Google of 'cosmic radiation nitrogen fixation' returns this article as the first result...) this is probably the most informative on-topic comment I've ever seen on a Slashdot post.
      Kudos.

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    5. Re:Nitrogen Fixation by physburn · · Score: 1

      That's just Google being quick at indexing. Google finding it doesn't make it true. Somebody would have to do an calculation of amounts of nitrogen oxides made by cosmic rays against other source and, measure what fraction of tree growth is rate limited by nitrate abundance, to confirm it. But thanks mightily for the praise.

    6. Re:Nitrogen Fixation by internettoughguy · · Score: 1

      Nitrates are also produced when organic matter decomposes, a la the nitrogen cycle

    7. Re:Nitrogen Fixation by Nick+Number · · Score: 1

      Well no, lighting is fairly common, actually -- there's always a lighting storm going on somewhere.

      Oh, that's just The Cheat having one of his low-budget raves.

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    8. Re:Nitrogen Fixation by RealErmine · · Score: 1

      Nitric acid is also an electrolyte. I hear those are what plants crave.

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    9. Re:Nitrogen Fixation by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "and lightning is relatively rare, "

      HAhAHAHAHahahha.. no, it's not.

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  19. Re:Nitrogen Fixation - NOT!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No no no. You are supposed to be fixating on Superheros, not nitrogen!!!!!!

  20. Cosmic Rays causing cloud cover? by Sibko · · Score: 1

    I thought this was thoroughly debunked already.

  21. The professor by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

    The professor in Gilligans Island already determined this. Old news, nothing new here.

    1. Re:The professor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They proved this on Gilligan's Island. The meteorite aged everything fast.
      You can paint yourself with lead to prevent it. (very healthy)

  22. Simplification by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Summary: trees get a hard-on for radiation.

    1. Re:Simplification by UltimApe · · Score: 1

      trees grow wood for radiation?

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    2. Re:Simplification by CptNerd · · Score: 1

      Who doesn't?

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  23. Not puzzled, baffled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I contend that since they have no idea of the mechanism, they are not simply puzzled, but have clearly moved into BAFFLED territory. I mean if they had a few good guesses, maybe puzzled. I think TFA Article clearly indicates their BAFFLEMENT.

  24. The Simpsons Had It Right. by Ironlenny · · Score: 2, Funny

    Homer: If we learned one thing from "The Amazing Colossal Man" and "Grasshopperus," it's that radiation makes stuff grow real big, real fast.

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  25. Galactus by jdc18 · · Score: 1

    Does this mean that Galactus is coming??

    1. Re:Galactus by CptNerd · · Score: 1

      Only every 11 years, apparently, and only if the Earth is fertile enough...

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  26. Further ideas? by kauttapiste · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nevertheless, the researchers remain mystified and are requesting further ideas ...

    Have they considered Ask Slashdot?

    1. Re:Further ideas? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Nevertheless, the researchers remain mystified and are requesting further ideas ...

      Have they considered Ask Slashdot?

      That is not actually a bad idea. Just on this thread, there have been several ideas that merit exploration (although any and all of them may already have been examined and found wanting). Of course there have also been several ideas that are complete bunkum (a couple proposed as jokes a couple seriously).
      If you have an observation that is not readily explained by existing mechanisms, posting a question on Slashdot looking for ideas to examine is not the worst thing you could do. I am sure there are other forums where such a question could be asked as well (some of them probably better). The more suggested explanations you get, the more likely you are to get one that is the right one (of course you have the labor of sorting the ones that are worth researching from the ones that are worthless).

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  27. Cosmic radiation enhances tree growth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about men with small dicks? Any enhanced growth there?

  28. Complex Systems + Causality ... by foobsr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Quote:"One of the reasons people have difficulty in dealing with complex systems is that the linear causal chain way of thinking - A causes B causes C causes D ... etc - breaks down in the presence of feedback and multiple interactions between causal and influence pathways. One could say that complex systems are characterised by networked rather than linear causal relationships."

    Keeping that in mind, I tend to be of the opinion that the best guess regarding an isolated cause is '42'.

    CC.

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  29. balancing global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if it helps trees grow, then it helps capture more carbon. why not study the positive effect of this on global warming?

  30. No, allusion to Peanuts comic strip, I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See http://jillandhal.home.att.net/halqn/comix2.htm#peanuts: the "republished November 16, 2007" strip, or just search for "Brazil" on that page.

    This Google search will get you more pages which reference that cultural tidbit.

  31. Malk! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now with Vitamin R!

    Malk

  32. Sun spots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At the university I studied physics at, they had a nice (old) telescope with which they projected solar images to count sun spots. They had a graph on the wall of the number of sun spots, going decades back. There was a nice periodicity in that graphc, and interesting thing is that they could point out two types of events: good wine years, and the occurrence of the "Elfstedentocht" (a major Dutch ice skating event which only happens when the outdoor ice conditions are exactly right).

    I forgot which one happened at sunspot maxima and which at the minima, but there was a striking correlation.

  33. Carbon Dioxide by Rosyna · · Score: 1

    I don't think they need to look any further for answers than the Fantastic Four.

    I don't think they need to look any further for answers than increasing carbon dioxide amounts somehow makes trees grow faster.

    (Really, it seems like this is to rebuff the notion that CO2 is Green)

  34. Re:MOD PARENT DOWN by biryokumaru · · Score: 1

    Sadly, as much as I am wont to use it, there is no "-1 Retard." It would be inappropriate to misuse a different negative moderation for that purpose.

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  35. GCV m3ds by grking · · Score: 1

    Mysterious and unclear correlation between GCRs and increased growth? Spam for Galactic Cosmic Ray tablets coming to an inbox near you...

  36. Breaking news... by Godskitchen · · Score: 1

    Sunlight makes plants grow. In other news, water is wet.

  37. Increased cloud cover == more rain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's why trees grow more during solar minimums.
    It has nothing to do with diffused sunlight. Bah...

  38. doesnt convincing rule out weather effects by peter303 · · Score: 1

    And weather could be affected by solar cycles. The correlation is there, but not a clear causal link. Solar minimums tend to be cooler periods, e.g. 2008 & 2009.

  39. Seriously poor correlation by Actinide · · Score: 1

    Looking at the paper itself.. it rests entirely on an allegedly strong correlation between "annual growth anomaly" (which is the absolute deviation from a cubic spline fitted to the entire data set) and annual cosmic ray flux. So far so good although the choice of a cubic spline is "interesting" (it has a very good fit to the tree ring data, well no shit Sherlock that's the whole point of a cubic spline isn't it).

    The resulting 45-year record has a superficial resemblance to cosmic ray data over the same period although I rather suspect that this is dependent on the degree of smoothing specified for the cubic spline.

    But now the good bit - the fit between the growth anomaly and cosmic ray flux has a correlation coefficient of 0.39, or if you prefer an "r^2" of 0.15, from 45 points. Alternatively you can (and the authors do) specify it as a probability of fit,which gets a mighty 0.8% (i.e. there is a less than 1% chance that the cosmic rays explain the growth ring data).

    Of course the usual suspects that complain the entire field of anthropogenic global change is "junk science" will doubtless be all over this one like a rash. Different standards apply to research claiming an extraterrestrial effect, you see..

  40. GW CO2 Claims in Doubt by Informative · · Score: 1

    If you Google "Solar and climate signal records in tree ring width, from Chile (AD 1587-1994)" You find an article with similar findings from 2006.

    The most interesting thing about this is not the 11 year cycle that the Brits in the previous email found this year, but the 50, 100, amd 200 year cycles that these guys found in 2006. If solar activity (and hence cosmic rays) is measurably affecting tree growth, what else is being affected. Also important is that this paper shows it is not just historical accounts about the lack of sunspots at the time that can be correlated with the Maunder Minimum (little ice age), but now there is concrete data correlating it with cosmic rays (through the measurement of C14 and Be10).

    This is the kind of thing that GW people want to sweep under the rug because it puts their CO2 claims into doubt.

    Abstract

    Tree growth rings represent an important natural record of past climate variations and solar activity effects registered on them. We performed in this study a wavelet analysis of tree ring samples of Pilgerodendron cupressoides species, from Glaciar Pio XI (Lat: 491120S; 741550W; Alt: 25 m), Chile. We obtained an average chronology of about 400 years from these trees. The 11-yr solar cycle was present during the whole period in tree ring data, being more intense during Maunder minimum (1645\2261715). The short-term periods, around 2\2267 yr, that were found are more likely associated with ENSO effects. Further, we found significant periods around 52 and 80\226100 yr. These periodicities are coincident with the fourth harmonic (52 yr) of the Suess cycle (208 yr) and Gleissberg (80\226100 yr) solar cycles. Therefore, the present analysis shows evidence of solar activity effect/modulation on climatic conditions that affect tree ring growth. Although we cannot say with the present analysis if this effect is on local, regional or global climate, these results add evidence to an important role of solar activity over terrestrial climate over the past 400 yr.

    Excerpt from text:

    Techniques using cosmogenic isotopes permitted the reconstruction of solar activity variations on longer timescales. Two isotopes are commonly used, carbon-14 and beryllium-10, both produced by cosmic rays. Galactic cosmic rays are modulated by changes in the strength ofthe interplanetary magnetic field arising from changes in solar activity (Hoyt and Schatten, 1997). The existence of century scale variations caused by solar activity has been confirmed from 14C dating (Stuiver and Quay, 1980) and 10Be ice-core data (Beer et al., 1988). The Sun\222s long-term behavior also shows transient dynamics such as the Maunder minimum from AD 1645 to 1715 (Eddy, 1976),

    Results and discussion:

    The periods analyzed in this work are: (1) 1587\2261994 in tree ring chronology, (2) 1610\2261994 in Rg and (3) 1876\2261994 in SOI. In order to identify the main periodi- cities in each time series and study its time variation, wavelet spectrum was determined for Rg, SOI and tree ring data using the 95% confidence level contour (Torrence and Compto, 1998).

    Fig. 1 shows the wavelet spectrum for the Chile tree ring data. It shows a signal associated to the 11-yr solar cycle and fourth harmonic (52 yr) of the Suess cycle (208 yr), in the interval 1645\2261715, and a strong signal associated with the Gleissberg ($80\226100 yr) solar cycles between 1720 and 1860. Fig. 1 also shows others signals in the 2\2268yr band, which are visible with more intensity for interval between 1616 and 1742 and weaker for interval between 1830 and 1950, approximately. This may be an indication of the response of the tree rings growth to environmental conditions at their location.

    Fig. 2 shows the wavelet spectrum for the Rg. The signal near 11-yr is the strongest feature and it is persistent during the whole period, with higher intensity in the period 1940\2261994

    1. Re:GW CO2 Claims in Doubt by sunyjim · · Score: 1

      The sunspot cycle effects the Ozone layer, the change in wavelength produced with and without the sunspots changes the ratio of visible to UV light emmited by the sun. The change in ratio of visible to UV light changes the density of Ozone produced, which is produced when visible light hits oxygen. and destroyed with the UV hitting ozone. the change in the ozone, allows more uv light to hit the earth, and therefore for the trees to get a different spectrum and grow faster.

  41. Cosmic rays and carbon absortion by w0mprat · · Score: 1

    If this really shows a causal link between cosmic rays and tree growth, you can bet it won't be long before it's pointed out that cosmic rays therefore impact the biospheres carbon absorbtion rate. Which is interesting. This will be misused by climate change denialists.

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  42. Conclusion is dubious by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    "The BBC reports that researchers at the University of Edinburgh have found that Galactic Cosmic Rays (GCRs) somehow makes trees grow faster.

    That conclusion is so distant from the data as to be completely misleading.

    What they really found was that tree growth rate in one particular site in Scotland seems to show an eleven-year cycle over the last fifty-three years (i.e., not quite five periods). The eleven year cycle was then connected with sunspots via this reasoning: "Hey, sunspots have an eleven-year cycle, too!". And then the mechanism was suggested: "Hey, galactic cosmic rays vary with the number of sunspots!"

    The purported connection from tree-rings at a single spot in Britain, to sunspots, to cosmic rays is very, very tenuous.

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  43. Chop this one first !! by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    I am the lorax. I speak for the trees, which you seem to be cutting as much as you please.

    I suggest you guys to cut this one first before we run out of paper ...

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  44. Simple explanation - stress by BranMan · · Score: 1

    IF there is a true connection, then it should not be so mystifying. Radiation has been shown, in studies, to make animals healthier in low doses (i.e more than background radiation, but less than what you'd want to monitor). The reasoning was that it 'stressed' the animals systems, making them stronger, and thus healthier overall. The same could apply to trees - Cosmic rays may 'stress' them, causing them to grow faster as a result (trying to compensate).