What if China labelled Zuckerburg as a fugitive from Chinese justice because facebook does business there, and it violates their communist ideals. Should the USA hand him over? Let China seize his money and foreign assets?
When I think of a German Finnish national living in New Zealand and doing business in Hong Kong.
The first place I think he should be extradited to is... America?! WTF?
Why would a German Finnish national. Who is living in New Zealand, and does business in Hong Kong be extradited to the USA?
None of his business had anything at all to do with the USA. Sure he had American clients but Amazon has Chinese clients. Do you want the chinese government to be able to extradite the head of Amazon.com JeffBezos to China because that Chinese guy bought something that is illegal there?
The American government wouldn't stand for it. The laws of the USA do not apply outside the country. You are not the world police.
Darmok was a great episode
but I also really like Tapestry where we see that Pickard only got to be captain because of the risks he took
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt07...
I think this happens for the same reason people join a union at work
The employees view their employer as treating them all unfair, and abusing their position,
so to even the odds they bring in a union.
Happy workers don't go looking for a union to come to their work place.
Unhappy ones forced to work long hours, and overtime constantly for poor wages do.
In the same way the American medical system is amazingly hostile to it's citizens.
HMOs do everything in their power to drop their patients if the treatment is expensive, or really they not take them on in the first place
with rules against pre-existing conditions.
When everything is SO MUCH about being money grubbing like this
and not about really curing the patients how can you blame people for thinking the medical system would hide a cheap and effective cure that they could not patent, and instead offer an expensive less effective drug that will keep the patient a customer for years?
A healed customer is not a return customer.
Maybe what they should do is mark the high water mark and encourage people to not build below that point.
Stones in the ground around the ocean front of the country might work. Then if there is ever another Tsunami then there won't be so much damage!
Wait what? They have those already?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04...
Yes. Lets try this on for size. We have been coming out of the last ice age for ALL of human history.
"An ice age, or more precisely, a glacial age, is a period of long-term reduction in the temperature of the Earth's surface and atmosphere, resulting in the presence or expansion of continental and polar ice sheets and alpine glaciers. Within a long-term ice age, individual pulses of cold climate are termed "glacial periods" (or alternatively "glacials" or "glaciations" or colloquially as "ice age"), and intermittent warm periods are called "interglacials". Glaciologically, ice age implies the presence of extensive ice sheets in the northern and southern hemispheres.[1] By this definition, we are still in the ice age that began 2.6 million years ago at the start of the Pleistocene epoch, because the Greenland, Arctic, and Antarctic ice sheets still exist.[2]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age
Once we have said that we know the general slope of temperature has been warmer for a steady 2.6 million years. Yes there is some fluctuation with minor times getting colder or warmer. But global climate not weather over centuries has been warmer and warmer. We know that it will continue in general terms to get warmer than it is currently until there are no glaciers, no sea ice, no ice caps at all.
Having said that, and you can check, it's fact. How much would you bet that a trace gas, measured in parts per million, representing 0.04% of the atmosphere and created by humans for perhaps the last 200 years of that 2.6 million years actually has anything at all even slightly to do with why we are coming out of this ice age? If you knew these facts how many scientists would you pay to do research on that trace atmospheric gas and it's affect on long term global climate?
Yes climatology would fall apart pretty quickly.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/genetics_modification/percyschmeiser.html
For seven years, Percy Schmeiser has argued that seeds from Monsanto's patented genetically-modified canola landed on his 1,400 acre farm near Bruno, east of Saskatoon, by accident. Monsanto has altered the plant's genes to make the canola resistant to Roundup, a Monsanto weed killer. Monsanto patented the gene and the process of inserting it into the seed.
To also be fair.... former FCC chairman Michael Powell (now president of the U.S. cable industry's trade association) confirmed as well his large payout was exactly where they said it would be when he walked into the president of the U.S. cable industry's trade association job.
Nuclear at least creates the baseline power cheaply.... and if American law wasn't stuck in the 60s you wouldn't have so much nuclear fuel sitting around that you could reuse over and over again rather than calling it waste.
Power is balanced every day, every hour, every minute it's being used. Baseline power fills in the majority of the need, and the brief peaks and fluctuations in the power need to be filled in with power that can be ramped up quickly like gas, or coal fired plants. That's why power companies are switching to smart meters, to help update the system so it can be managed better.
The issue with wind is for all the windmills deliver only peak power, not baseline power. So there needs to be a power plant (Coal or Gas) that can be fired up at a moments notice to fill in when the wind dies and demand is still present. So the windmills look nice but they have a dirty smokestack hiding behind them.
If it's illegal to sports gamble in Maryland, arrest people sports gambling in Maryland, but these 2 bit wahoo prosecutors that think they can impose Maryland state law on Canada can go F&*%$ themselves.
It's not an illegal business here, it's a legal one. Websites can't be expected to know all the laws everywhere or block everyone from every hick burg that has different laws from accessing their site.
The internet is free, lets keep it that way
I am a Canadian, and as an outsider to your country, and being so small a country ourselves, we watch mostly American TV, and see a lot of American news.
But really since 9/11 in George W's presidency to even now with Obama in power the USA has gone from a beacon of freedom in the world to sliding closer and closer to a fascist state.
I'm surprised more people aren't out protesting with Occupy Wall street, or just protesting things like the TSA searching trucks in TN, trains and ferry passengers, and now with the help of Homeland security these Texas cops are violating your freedoms with drones in the air?! There should be riots in the streets over this B.S. but instead the people say Meh! and carry on. Well I can almost hear the jackboots and sirens approaching from here.
Here's a quote to give some thought to.
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind...And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry.
Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded with patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader, and gladly so. How do I know?
For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar" - William Shakespeare
It's not concensus that gave us germ theory it is the amazing work of Louis Pasteur
- instituting changes in hospital/medical practices to minimize the spread of disease by microbes or germs,
- discovering that weak forms of disease could be used as an immunization against stronger forms and that rabies was transmitted by viruses too small to be seen under the microscopes of the time,
- introducing the medical world to the concept of viruses.
These were proven to anyone in the scientific community who wanted to attempt the experiments that germ theory was right. Other scientists and doctors did those experiments and came up with the same results. You assume that because we all believe it, there must be concensus. The real question is why do we all believe it? It's because we can prove it.
Well since you mentioned it.
My favorite scientist Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry, and a few thousand of his peers have a bit of trouble with the HIV causes AIDS, you see he was asked to work on that project since he is a Nobel prize winner, and the reasons we now are able to do DNA testing.
Well his issue is that nobody actually did any sort of study or paper or experiment, ever, anywhere, that can be shown that HIV developed into AIDS. "Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once such a retrovirus has been isolated and purified by the methods of classical virology."
read more at http://www.virusmyth.com/
Another case were consensus is the enemy of science, people are dying of AIDS and potentially billions of dollars are being wasted on research that will never find the cure.
Concensus has always been the enemy of science, there was concensus that the earth was the center of the universe, there was concensus that the earth was flat, there was even concensus that people should be bled with leaches to balance their fluids and make them well again, and there was concensus in the 1970s that after 40 years of cooling that Global Cooling caused by man made emissions from cars and smoke stacks was going to lead to the next ice age. Then concensus gave us Global Warming in the mid 80s, and now that it's not really warming anymore now the concensus is global instability.
Science on the other hand is about doing an experiment and getting the same result, imagine if you would that nobody liked Newton, he was a jerk, didn't bathe, and was ugly. A horrible dinner companion, but regardless of his lack of popularity we have Newton's laws, anyone, everyone, anywhere can do Newton's experiments and get Newton's results. That is science, not computer models that can't predict the weather next Monday, can't take into account the sun spot cycle, can't take in all the variables of everything that affects the climate. Computer models are not experiments, they are fantasy and who's to blame people out there for being dubious of the outcome when the people spewing that nonsense have so much to gain financially (CO2 Cap and Trade), and the majority of the greenhouse gasses are water vapour, CO2 is plant food, it makes things grow, it doesn't kill the planet!
Seems to convenient that LulzSec is attacking so many big name and government websites all of a sudden,
Seems more likely that it's a little covert government intervention to make sure some new laws against hacking get passed by Europe, Canada, Japan and the USA. I don't put it past them.
I have foil at home, but really, I didn't make a hat out of it....
I feel dumber having read that article.
Thank goodness it's 2.3 kilometers thick, so at a 1.8 millimeters per year over the past century that sucker will be melted in ONE MILLION, two hundred and seventy seven thousand, seven hundred and seventy seven years!
And that's IF the melting continues at all, and even more unlikely keeps melting for the next 1,277,777.77 years.
"But that is unlikely to happen for several centuries at least." That's the understatement of the millennium
And the issue with your arguments are that the largest volume and by far the most common greenhouse gas is WATER VAPOUR not methane, not CO2 and not Aerosols.
Second grass put in a compost pile, and gas put through a cow emit EXACTLY the same amount of Methane. So the argument that agricultural animals cause global warming is easily disproved.
"Earth gets warmer, ice caps melt, coastal areas flood."
I think what you meant to say was Sunspots cycle of the sun causes earth to heat up slightly, chicken little psudo-scientists get huge grants telling the people paying them what they want to hear. Politicians use studies to push their economic agenda
Anyway the cycle goes; Earth gets warmer, some ice melts, more clouds form from evaporation, earth cools. Ice starts forming again. We never end up with Waterworld, or the day after tomorrow. That's Hollywood not reality
True, but the science done in the 1970s, after a 40 year trend of cooling, all showed that the world was cooling, and that carbon emissions from cars and smoke stacks was causing the cooling. They predicted an ice age approaching if the world cooled 4 degrees globally.
Now the science is, after a 35 year trend of warming, all showing warming and that carbon emissions from cars and smoke stacks is causing the warming, they are predicting horrible storms and some sort of glacial ice melted waterworld.
Sounds like somebody has not enough variables in their climate model, and doesn't really know how things work after all.
Your like cheap tent preachers in the southland....
you just keep changing the source of the evil, but the end result is the same "SEND YOUR MONEY TODAY!!!!"
That's so funny, this is the elementary school i went to as a kid. In the time of drab boxy brick boxes painted institutional green, this was an open concept designed school, the library had 30 foot ceilings with a small sunfish style sailboat in it for an interesting place to read.
It's education program was as progressive as it's design...
Sad to see that they've gone from that, to this sort of idiocy. What's next FM radio waves are causing brain cancer? What about HDTV air broadcasts, maybe that's why the kids in 2020 will have ADHD. LOL
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If only there was some sort of Police Work that could be done to solve these crimes without taking away everyone rights of privacy...
What if China labelled Zuckerburg as a fugitive from Chinese justice because facebook does business there, and it violates their communist ideals. Should the USA hand him over? Let China seize his money and foreign assets? When I think of a German Finnish national living in New Zealand and doing business in Hong Kong. The first place I think he should be extradited to is... America?! WTF?
Why would a German Finnish national. Who is living in New Zealand, and does business in Hong Kong be extradited to the USA? None of his business had anything at all to do with the USA. Sure he had American clients but Amazon has Chinese clients. Do you want the chinese government to be able to extradite the head of Amazon.com JeffBezos to China because that Chinese guy bought something that is illegal there? The American government wouldn't stand for it. The laws of the USA do not apply outside the country. You are not the world police.
Darmok was a great episode but I also really like Tapestry where we see that Pickard only got to be captain because of the risks he took http://www.imdb.com/title/tt07...
I think this happens for the same reason people join a union at work The employees view their employer as treating them all unfair, and abusing their position, so to even the odds they bring in a union. Happy workers don't go looking for a union to come to their work place. Unhappy ones forced to work long hours, and overtime constantly for poor wages do. In the same way the American medical system is amazingly hostile to it's citizens. HMOs do everything in their power to drop their patients if the treatment is expensive, or really they not take them on in the first place with rules against pre-existing conditions. When everything is SO MUCH about being money grubbing like this and not about really curing the patients how can you blame people for thinking the medical system would hide a cheap and effective cure that they could not patent, and instead offer an expensive less effective drug that will keep the patient a customer for years? A healed customer is not a return customer.
Maybe what they should do is mark the high water mark and encourage people to not build below that point. Stones in the ground around the ocean front of the country might work. Then if there is ever another Tsunami then there won't be so much damage! Wait what? They have those already? http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04...
hmm so it's not man made noise in the water like commercial ships and submarine communication that causes whales to beach themselves. F U Greenpiece.
If this is possible can we call it a "thinking cap" then my grade 3 teacher will have sounded a little less crazy!
Yes. Lets try this on for size. We have been coming out of the last ice age for ALL of human history. "An ice age, or more precisely, a glacial age, is a period of long-term reduction in the temperature of the Earth's surface and atmosphere, resulting in the presence or expansion of continental and polar ice sheets and alpine glaciers. Within a long-term ice age, individual pulses of cold climate are termed "glacial periods" (or alternatively "glacials" or "glaciations" or colloquially as "ice age"), and intermittent warm periods are called "interglacials". Glaciologically, ice age implies the presence of extensive ice sheets in the northern and southern hemispheres.[1] By this definition, we are still in the ice age that began 2.6 million years ago at the start of the Pleistocene epoch, because the Greenland, Arctic, and Antarctic ice sheets still exist.[2]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age Once we have said that we know the general slope of temperature has been warmer for a steady 2.6 million years. Yes there is some fluctuation with minor times getting colder or warmer. But global climate not weather over centuries has been warmer and warmer. We know that it will continue in general terms to get warmer than it is currently until there are no glaciers, no sea ice, no ice caps at all. Having said that, and you can check, it's fact. How much would you bet that a trace gas, measured in parts per million, representing 0.04% of the atmosphere and created by humans for perhaps the last 200 years of that 2.6 million years actually has anything at all even slightly to do with why we are coming out of this ice age? If you knew these facts how many scientists would you pay to do research on that trace atmospheric gas and it's affect on long term global climate? Yes climatology would fall apart pretty quickly.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/genetics_modification/percyschmeiser.html For seven years, Percy Schmeiser has argued that seeds from Monsanto's patented genetically-modified canola landed on his 1,400 acre farm near Bruno, east of Saskatoon, by accident. Monsanto has altered the plant's genes to make the canola resistant to Roundup, a Monsanto weed killer. Monsanto patented the gene and the process of inserting it into the seed.
To also be fair.... former FCC chairman Michael Powell (now president of the U.S. cable industry's trade association) confirmed as well his large payout was exactly where they said it would be when he walked into the president of the U.S. cable industry's trade association job.
Worst secret ever, I've seen this 'saucer' before, it's been in books and magazines since the 60s I even saw the video of them trying to hover it, which didn't work very well. This thing never worked properly and never made it past the initial design phase. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_VZ-9_Avrocar http://books.google.ca/books?id=Apaa01aJLIcC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=Avrocar&source=bl&ots=Qe24u-CGlp&sig=R44-T1xDEeQGMbUkX8YcVU33Q7A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=nwtzULChIIfFyAG76ICwDA&ved=0CFUQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Avrocar&f=false
Nuclear at least creates the baseline power cheaply.... and if American law wasn't stuck in the 60s you wouldn't have so much nuclear fuel sitting around that you could reuse over and over again rather than calling it waste. Power is balanced every day, every hour, every minute it's being used. Baseline power fills in the majority of the need, and the brief peaks and fluctuations in the power need to be filled in with power that can be ramped up quickly like gas, or coal fired plants. That's why power companies are switching to smart meters, to help update the system so it can be managed better. The issue with wind is for all the windmills deliver only peak power, not baseline power. So there needs to be a power plant (Coal or Gas) that can be fired up at a moments notice to fill in when the wind dies and demand is still present. So the windmills look nice but they have a dirty smokestack hiding behind them.
If it's illegal to sports gamble in Maryland, arrest people sports gambling in Maryland, but these 2 bit wahoo prosecutors that think they can impose Maryland state law on Canada can go F&*%$ themselves. It's not an illegal business here, it's a legal one. Websites can't be expected to know all the laws everywhere or block everyone from every hick burg that has different laws from accessing their site. The internet is free, lets keep it that way
I am a Canadian, and as an outsider to your country, and being so small a country ourselves, we watch mostly American TV, and see a lot of American news. But really since 9/11 in George W's presidency to even now with Obama in power the USA has gone from a beacon of freedom in the world to sliding closer and closer to a fascist state. I'm surprised more people aren't out protesting with Occupy Wall street, or just protesting things like the TSA searching trucks in TN, trains and ferry passengers, and now with the help of Homeland security these Texas cops are violating your freedoms with drones in the air?! There should be riots in the streets over this B.S. but instead the people say Meh! and carry on. Well I can almost hear the jackboots and sirens approaching from here. Here's a quote to give some thought to. "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind...And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded with patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader, and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar" - William Shakespeare
It's not concensus that gave us germ theory it is the amazing work of Louis Pasteur - instituting changes in hospital/medical practices to minimize the spread of disease by microbes or germs, - discovering that weak forms of disease could be used as an immunization against stronger forms and that rabies was transmitted by viruses too small to be seen under the microscopes of the time, - introducing the medical world to the concept of viruses. These were proven to anyone in the scientific community who wanted to attempt the experiments that germ theory was right. Other scientists and doctors did those experiments and came up with the same results. You assume that because we all believe it, there must be concensus. The real question is why do we all believe it? It's because we can prove it.
Well since you mentioned it. My favorite scientist Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry, and a few thousand of his peers have a bit of trouble with the HIV causes AIDS, you see he was asked to work on that project since he is a Nobel prize winner, and the reasons we now are able to do DNA testing. Well his issue is that nobody actually did any sort of study or paper or experiment, ever, anywhere, that can be shown that HIV developed into AIDS. "Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once such a retrovirus has been isolated and purified by the methods of classical virology." read more at http://www.virusmyth.com/ Another case were consensus is the enemy of science, people are dying of AIDS and potentially billions of dollars are being wasted on research that will never find the cure.
Concensus has always been the enemy of science, there was concensus that the earth was the center of the universe, there was concensus that the earth was flat, there was even concensus that people should be bled with leaches to balance their fluids and make them well again, and there was concensus in the 1970s that after 40 years of cooling that Global Cooling caused by man made emissions from cars and smoke stacks was going to lead to the next ice age. Then concensus gave us Global Warming in the mid 80s, and now that it's not really warming anymore now the concensus is global instability. Science on the other hand is about doing an experiment and getting the same result, imagine if you would that nobody liked Newton, he was a jerk, didn't bathe, and was ugly. A horrible dinner companion, but regardless of his lack of popularity we have Newton's laws, anyone, everyone, anywhere can do Newton's experiments and get Newton's results. That is science, not computer models that can't predict the weather next Monday, can't take into account the sun spot cycle, can't take in all the variables of everything that affects the climate. Computer models are not experiments, they are fantasy and who's to blame people out there for being dubious of the outcome when the people spewing that nonsense have so much to gain financially (CO2 Cap and Trade), and the majority of the greenhouse gasses are water vapour, CO2 is plant food, it makes things grow, it doesn't kill the planet!
Seems to convenient that LulzSec is attacking so many big name and government websites all of a sudden, Seems more likely that it's a little covert government intervention to make sure some new laws against hacking get passed by Europe, Canada, Japan and the USA. I don't put it past them. I have foil at home, but really, I didn't make a hat out of it....
I feel dumber having read that article. Thank goodness it's 2.3 kilometers thick, so at a 1.8 millimeters per year over the past century that sucker will be melted in ONE MILLION, two hundred and seventy seven thousand, seven hundred and seventy seven years! And that's IF the melting continues at all, and even more unlikely keeps melting for the next 1,277,777.77 years. "But that is unlikely to happen for several centuries at least." That's the understatement of the millennium
And the issue with your arguments are that the largest volume and by far the most common greenhouse gas is WATER VAPOUR not methane, not CO2 and not Aerosols. Second grass put in a compost pile, and gas put through a cow emit EXACTLY the same amount of Methane. So the argument that agricultural animals cause global warming is easily disproved.
"Earth gets warmer, ice caps melt, coastal areas flood." I think what you meant to say was Sunspots cycle of the sun causes earth to heat up slightly, chicken little psudo-scientists get huge grants telling the people paying them what they want to hear. Politicians use studies to push their economic agenda Anyway the cycle goes; Earth gets warmer, some ice melts, more clouds form from evaporation, earth cools. Ice starts forming again. We never end up with Waterworld, or the day after tomorrow. That's Hollywood not reality
True, but the science done in the 1970s, after a 40 year trend of cooling, all showed that the world was cooling, and that carbon emissions from cars and smoke stacks was causing the cooling. They predicted an ice age approaching if the world cooled 4 degrees globally. Now the science is, after a 35 year trend of warming, all showing warming and that carbon emissions from cars and smoke stacks is causing the warming, they are predicting horrible storms and some sort of glacial ice melted waterworld. Sounds like somebody has not enough variables in their climate model, and doesn't really know how things work after all.
Your like cheap tent preachers in the southland.... you just keep changing the source of the evil, but the end result is the same "SEND YOUR MONEY TODAY!!!!"
That's so funny, this is the elementary school i went to as a kid. In the time of drab boxy brick boxes painted institutional green, this was an open concept designed school, the library had 30 foot ceilings with a small sunfish style sailboat in it for an interesting place to read. It's education program was as progressive as it's design... Sad to see that they've gone from that, to this sort of idiocy. What's next FM radio waves are causing brain cancer? What about HDTV air broadcasts, maybe that's why the kids in 2020 will have ADHD. LOL