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Computer Activities for Those With Speech and Language Difficulties?

An anonymous reader writes "My girlfriend is training to be a speech and language therapist here in the UK (speech pathologist in the US). A number of clients are guys who enjoy playing computer games, and for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech. The issue is, this can obviously inhibit options for jobs and/or other aspects of life. I was trying to think of fun computer-based activities for those with speech and language difficulties that encourage individuals to speak, and furthermore to speak with greater clarity. Or games/activities that might encourage them to do more speech work. The first options that sprang to mind were the online games with team-speak / team-talk for those with mild difficulties. The sampling / accent issue might force them to speak with greater clarity or wish to have that ability. Obviously, they can just type. Any thoughts?"

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  1. It all depends by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How significant a speech impairment are you talking about?

    If it is only a speech issue (like a lisp) and they don't value the therapy, then I'm not sure what to say. I know a guy here who has quirky speech, but he's doing fine as an engineering student at a major university.

    The reason we target speech in kids so heavily is that speech issues may (although not always) be a symptom of an underlying language problem that interferes with many other aspects of language. It's not just making kids talk better; it's more about giving kids who need it a redundant channel to learn phonology, morphology, and syntax.

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    1. Re:It all depends by hedwards · · Score: 2, Funny

      But isn't a guy with a Lisp a programmer?

    2. Re:It all depends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try a palatometer...
        completespeech.com

    3. Re:It all depends by buswolley · · Score: 0
      Well if he is retarded, then he programs with Visual Basic for Applications.

      DOn't get me wworngg., Igh prugrum with VbA.

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    4. Re:It all depends by Caity · · Score: 1

      I don't think the OP is talking about lisps and stutters.

      We've all seen the family out to dinner with mum and dad staring into space and the kids totally absorbed by their Nintendos. The prevalence of modern technology has created massive problems in the development of language skills in kids because it has made it so easy for them to avoid conversation.

      It's a skill that has to be practiced just like everything else.

      It becomes a vicious cycle as the child grows older - they know their speech isn't good, so they continue to avoid situations where it is necessary.

      I've heard of otherwise normally intelligent teenagers who cannot express frighteningly simple things like "I like the way she looks in that dress" without a lot of effort. They speak like you would expect someone to speak after learning a foreign language for about three weeks - they have to think about the words and the order of the words, and they make stuff up that sounds plausible to cover the fact they know they are getting it wrong.

      Computer games are part of the problem and I don't think they can be more than a minor part of the solution as theses kids need to learn the visual aspects of communication as well - body language and facial expressions. These people need face to face interaction that involves cooperative problem solving to encourage them to talk.

      Reasonably complex board games are probably good - games like Risk maybe? I also think that something like D&D would probably be great for people with this sort of problem.

    5. Re:It all depends by Alexandra+Erenhart · · Score: 1

      What about scrabble? seems like almost obvious. Or Boggle.

    6. Re:It all depends by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      We've all seen the family out to dinner with mum and dad staring into space and the kids totally absorbed by their Nintendos. The prevalence of modern technology has created massive problems in the development of language skills in kids because it has made it so easy for them to avoid conversation.

      Or has technology really increased conversation. I mean, due to the internet the average person talks to many more people than ever before. For example, right now I am replying to your post, I might never see you, we might live in different countries, we may have totally different interests and career paths yet we are communicating. 30 years ago that was unheard of. Yet it is something we do on a daily basis.

      I've heard of otherwise normally intelligent teenagers who cannot express frighteningly simple things like "I like the way she looks in that dress" without a lot of effort. They speak like you would expect someone to speak after learning a foreign language for about three weeks - they have to think about the words and the order of the words, and they make stuff up that sounds plausible to cover the fact they know they are getting it wrong.

      Or you know it could be part of the social awkwardness of teenagers where they don't want to give a huge complement and seem like they are romantically interested with someone yet they don't want to completely ignore it. Or they want to make a joke but don't know how the other person will take it, etc.

      Computer games are part of the problem and I don't think they can be more than a minor part of the solution as theses kids need to learn the visual aspects of communication as well - body language and facial expressions. These people need face to face interaction that involves cooperative problem solving to encourage them to talk.

      But is our society as a whole shifting towards text based communication? For one its much more private, would you rather sit on a bus next to someone screaming loudly on their BlackBerry or next to someone spending the ride texting? It is also a lot less demanding, when you call someone or arrange to meet someone somewhere they have to stop whatever they are doing and devote a lot more time and energy into quite honestly trivial things. Most people's conversations are not really huge in depth conversations but rather short questions, answers and replies. For example, what can be accomplished in 2-3 messages via texting would take a lot longer if you had to call the person, also, it avoids "phone tag" and other annoyances, if they are eating dinner they can simply text you an hour or two later. Both parties have an absolute guarantee that they got the message exactly as it was given to them. The telephone call and face-to-face meetings are more or less obsolete, especially for the numerous friends people have who aren't the closest people to them but they still wish to communicate with.

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    7. Re:It all depends by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      'yes

    8. Re:It all depends by rakslice · · Score: 1

      'round these parts we call 'em parenthesis aficionados...

    9. Re:It all depends by wisty · · Score: 1

      Text is slower, and not as rich.

      On the other hand it's persistent, modifiable, discrete, asynchronous, and good for many-to-many broadcasts. SMS is the worst of both worlds (in many cases).

    10. Re:It all depends by Alexandra+Erenhart · · Score: 1

      I don't agree is better. Is different, but is not better. A lot of people hide behind the screen/mobile device and talk whatever smack they want, free of guilt because there are no consequences to what they say. Of course this only applies to interactions between two strangers. But you will never replace an actual face-to-face talk with another human, because 93% of the conversation is transmitted via nonverbal communication (http://humanresources.about.com/od/interpersonalcommunicatio1/a/nonverbal_com.htm). Just think about the tones we use when talking. They can really change the meaning of what someone's saying. You can't transmit that on a text.

    11. Re:It all depends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My mother is a speech therapist in a Midwest American elementary school. During the summer she runs a program that primarily employs software called Fast Forward. As she has previously explained it to me, kids with speaking problems frequently have speech comprehension problems. The ability to differentiate between different sounds is a critical skill in proper pronunciation. Basically the kids play listening games for half a day for several weeks and show measurable progress over that time. I know this website is pretty open source oriented, but the program is not. Good luck.

    12. Re:It all depends by PachmanP · · Score: 1

      ...Just think about the tones we use when talking. They can really change the meaning of what someone's saying. You can't transmit that on a text.

      :(

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  2. Endwar by Overunderrated · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Tom Clancy's Endwar. Have to speak clearly to control the RTS game, without the possible embarrassment of talking to real people in an online game.

    1. Re:Endwar by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1

      Good one. I'd recommend Odama if the speech recognition wasn't so awful.

      Or chat/IM using Dragon Speaking Naturally. Social, but where the other person can't actually hear you.

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    2. Re:Endwar by psYchotic87 · · Score: 1

      Or chat/IM using Dragon Speaking Naturally.

      Doesn't speech recognition software require you to train them before using it? I'm asking because if you let the person with a speech impairment train the software, said software won't know whether what's been said has been done so with clarity.

    3. Re:Endwar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep... and to talk slowly to it... and to hope you're lucky.

    4. Re:Endwar by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Or they could try Caution Seaman for the Dreamcast. If you say it incorrectly, he *will* correct you.

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  3. Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid, too by pw700z · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm almost ready to teach myself multimedia programming -- i'd love to have a simple program that would show a picture of an object, say the name of the object ("Say 'snake'") and then record the child saying the word, then play it back for them to hear themselves saying it through headphones. Icing would be if it could somehow evaluate the word and maybe have them try a 2nd or third time if they didn't get it right.

    Even more icing would be to make it fun on some level.

    There's lots of stuff out there but it's way more expensive and/or complex then just the simple computer program described used to augment traditional speech therapy.

  4. When I have to phone a robot by mirix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And it doesn't understand me, it usually just pisses me off, rather than cures my speech. :-/
    Unless you want me to speak very loud and slow to everyone!


    automated POS: "would you like to... say yes for option one"
    me: "yes"
    robot: "I'm sorry, I didn't understand that, please repeat"
    me: "YES"
    robot: " I'm sorry, I didn't understand that, please repeat... or press 1 for yes, 2 for no"

    [furiously presses 1]

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    1. Re:When I have to phone a robot by ZERO1ZERO · · Score: 1
    2. Re:When I have to phone a robot by reverendbeer · · Score: 1

      That's because you mistakenly think that "Yes" is pronounced "Munfth."

    3. Re:When I have to phone a robot by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      My school had a phone robot that would call people on campus. (Small School), the problem was that it was adaptive and learned how you 'pronounced' peoples names. Leaning to all sorts of hilarity.

      "Who would you like to call:"

      Jane Doe. [dials].

      Jane Doe Slut. "Did you mean Jane Doe" "Yes" [Dials]

      Jane Slut. "Did you mean Jane Doe" "Yes" [dials]

      Slut. "Did you mean Jane Doe" "Yes" [dials]

    4. Re:When I have to phone a robot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yo, mod this up - the only thing with the slightest bit of insight in this entire thread was here.

      If you think you can teach received pronounciation or even "proper speech" by aversion? Think again, and be ready to suffer a lot for the pointless suffering you'll cause on your "pupils".

    5. Re:When I have to phone a robot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have the same problem when I call cell phone companies and I have no speech problems. I've found the easiest way to deal with them is to scream obscenities until it says let me get you to someone. Then I scream at them for a few minutes about their retarded phone system.

    6. Re:When I have to phone a robot by argent · · Score: 1

      I gave up on speech recognition software after I got an iPaq with Dragon's command recognition software bundled.

      The only command I could get it to reliably understand, and I kid you not, was the command to turn it off.

    7. Re:When I have to phone a robot by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1

      I had the speech recognition turned on on my Macintosh until it decided that the sound that my office chair made when I leaned back was "gimp." I'd lean back in my chair, which would make a springy sound, and the Mac would launch X11 and Gimp. Very annoying.

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    8. Re:When I have to phone a robot by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Unless you want me to speak very loud and slow to everyone!

      Whatever you do! Do not speak more slowly.

      Americans actually swallow their words when they speak. If you're French (like me), then slowing your speech down will only have the opposite effect, you won't swallow your words, you'll enunciate them all too well, and that will only confuse the American person/telephone system even more.

      When an American says to slow down your speech, it usually means they want you to elongate your syllables (so that each syllable has two beats just like in Jazz music, whereas in French or in Chinese many syllables are just one short beat).

      Not that I expect the guys who need to understand this to actually understand what I'm saying. This stuff is not easy to explain.

    9. Re:When I have to phone a robot by Hatta · · Score: 1

      I don't know what you're on about. I don't swallow when I talk.

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    10. Re:When I have to phone a robot by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      My problem is, the machine's vocabulary is too limited.

      "Sorry, 'fuck you' does not compute".

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    11. Re:When I have to phone a robot by Inda · · Score: 1

      And I put on my polite telephone voice when speaking to those things.

      POS: Do you have a repayment or interest mortgage?

      ME: I have a repayment.

      POS: Sorry, please answer "repayment" or "interest"

      ME: RE-PAY-MENT

      POS: Would you like to speak to an advisor?

      ME: Yes please.

      POS: Sorry, please answer "yes" or "no"

      ME: Fucking do one.

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    12. Re:When I have to phone a robot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! That's the funniest thing I've heard all week. (Time to start writing new prank programs!)

    13. Re:When I have to phone a robot by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      I didn't mean actual swallowing, I meant swallowing your words.

      And from your perspective, I wouldn't expect you to notice anything abnormal. To you, your own speech is normal. What I should have said instead was: the more a French person would supposedly slow down for you, the more their speech would seem disjointed and the more their inflection points would seem further out of place.

      The next time you're speaking to someone with a French accent, I'd suggest you ask them to speed up for you (and see if you can notice an improvement, I believe that you will notice one).

  5. Brain Training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've just been discharged from a neuro-rehabilitation unit in the states to treat the aftermath of a 6 cm benign tumor resection in my right-frontal lobe. I didn't participate with the full program of offering, but I did have a very good Speech therapist who didn't focus just on language but also on things like deductive reasoning, scanning for words in blocks of text, and other interesting cognitive exercises. One of the things we did was work on what are sometimes called Quizzles, or logic puzzles. Where you are given a situation and a set of clues, and you are left to decide how to solve the puzzle, given that only one condition per subset could be true, resulting in the negation of the rest of the options. At first they were difficult because my brain was just tired (I was going through radiation treatments simultaneously), but after a time, they got easier as I was healing and the other therapies I was receiving was taking hold.

    One of the programs she had also introduced me to was a program called "Brain Train" which had a whole subset of interesting ways of interpreting problems and coming up with a solution. One of those ended up being an interactive Towers of Hanoi puzzle. Since I'm able to write code, I had to go back into memory and remember the way that was solvable using recursion. I didn't tell her that though.

    Another thing that I think worked for me was the "Brain Age" titles for Nintendo DS. There's lots of things that don't pertain to speech, but there are some things that are.

    1. Re:Brain Training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've just been discharged from a neuro-rehabilitation unit in the states to treat the aftermath of a 6 cm benign tumor resection in my right-frontal lobe. [...] There's lots of things that don't pertain to speech, but there are some things that are.

      Normally I don't give people a hard time about their language on the Internet. However, considering the difficulties you are working through right now, I thought you might be interested in the following correction:

      Your parallelism is off. The opposite of "don't" is "do" rather than "are." Expanded, we would say: There are lots of things that don't pertain to speech, but there are some things that do pertain to speech.

  6. No Software Will Replace Therapy by leetrout · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am the son of an SLP here in the states and a patient of hers as well. This was a fortunate situation for me because I got good therapy and I had parents that were involved. No software will ever replace good therapy with a good therapist / pathologist.

    That being said, there are video and board games to be used as therapy tools and they are all geared toward children from preschool through high school. I created a video game about a year ago for just this purpose. The games require the player to get a speech bubble which cues a visual and auditory stimulus, then the player should repeat the stimulus with their best effort. You can even use it with a microphone so that the game continues after you say the word. It does not, however, do any speech recognition, just merely detecting audio activity.

    You can download a small demo (Flash projector, demo is Win only but the game is Win / Mac) at the website, http://www.2galsspeechproducts.com/

    Feel free to contact me directly if needed. leetrout _at_ gmail _dot_ com

  7. Video Games by tjstork · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My son's autistic. Playing video games with him made him much, much more verbal, taught him how to solve problems, express directions, give orders, and more.

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    1. Re:Video Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if he likes videogames, check out the Facesay program, neat program that teaches folks with ASDs better facial communication/recognition.

    2. Re:Video Games by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      my brother is autistic. he always gets his money back from the hookers =/

    3. Re:Video Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, have them play WOW, and talk with teammates. They might get incentive fast.

      On a different note, if they have no incentive to change, why bother attempting to change them? THAT's a very useful question for a therapist to ask.

    4. Re:Video Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Potential incentive giver:

      Tell them they can get laid more frequently if they can speak well.

      Can't think of anything that would give most guys more interst.

    5. Re:Video Games by Faerunner · · Score: 1

      I'll be writing that one down...

    6. Re:Video Games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What type of video games does he play?

  8. No Incentive by perlhacker14 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As someone going through this sort of therapy, I can tell you that if an individual has no incentive or desire, there is absolutely no point in trying.
    Game team talk type things might help, but only if they have issues with that kind of situation. There is no substitute for real life trials.

  9. Why a client with no incentive? by codeAlDente · · Score: 1

    If they have no incentive to improve their speech, why are they clients of a speech pathologist? Whose money is being wasted? The person paying the pathologist should limit their computer use, and maybe talk to them more often.

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    1. Re:Why a client with no incentive? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      I'd have to guess that they are required to attend in order to continue to receive unemployment benefits or some such.

  10. Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid, by ModernGeek · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, we won't help you with your homework.

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  11. Same here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We had some guys with quirky speech in our engineering college too. We called them "International Students."

    1. Re:Same here by value_added · · Score: 1

      We had some guys with quirky speech in our engineering college too. We called them "International Students."

      For better or worse, misproununced words are often funny to our ears.

      I'm wondering, though, to what degree therapy really does help. I know plenty of people who can't pronounce the letter "r" clearly (let alone trill them in succession) even after years of therapy. And then there's those people, both young and old, who have adopted the Barbara Walters style of pronunciation.

      By contrast, teaching a non-native English speaker to pronounce the word "the" correctly seems easy.

    2. Re:Same here by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      /r/ is by far the toughest one. It causes people in our profession much consternation. But, as you point out, if all of the other consonants are normal, having the /r/ be a little off isn't that big a deal. There's a wide range of what is intelligible to our ears.

      Walters (along with many who grow up speaking Asian languages) cannot even hear the English /r/. She didn't get the joke when they impersonated her on SNL, for example. Some people's brains interpret that sound as something else entirely, which is why they can't produce it.

      Some kids have even more extensive phonological problems where other sounds are interpreted as the same (/t/ sounds just like /k/, for example). This is a problem that can mess with reading and language learning beyond just the problem of "talking funny."

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    3. Re:Same here by dov_0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >Walters (along with many who grow up speaking Asian languages) cannot even hear the English /r/.

      Sorta like many Nepalis who can't tell the difference often between SS and SH and B and V. Interesting. I'm currently in the process of retraining my ears so that I can understand Nepali and spend a lot of time helping Nepali international students with English as well as basic life skills. I already speak or understand various languages to some degree, but some of the sounds in Nepali I have had to, or am in the process of, teaching my ears to even hear them properly.

      Parent makes a lot of sense. Mod up.

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    4. Re:Same here by Nazlfrag · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Talking about Walters, doesn't her carreer as a wildly successful news anchor contradict the OPs statement 'The issue is it can obviously inhibit options for jobs/other aspects of life etc.'. I don't think that it's obvious at all. The need for adult speech pathology seems massively overrated for most people in most professions if even news anchors can get away with having an impediment.

    5. Re:Same here by pbhj · · Score: 1

      I was a subject in a psych experiment about 10 years ago. After I took part I found out that the object was to determine the effect of visual clues on consonant sounds. The 2nd part of the experiment I watched against white noise what I thought was someone saying ba, da, bga, bda, etc.. Turns out it was simply the lips that were going the different sounds and the sounds were all apparently identical - that white noise made me feel very ill.

      Anyway, the importance of visual clues shouldn't be ignored.

      I still occasionally slip up with th and f sounds which I didn't naturally distinguish when I was learning as a child (before about 10 years old when it was pointed out to me). Now with my eldest lad (4) I'm encouraging him to watch and mimic not only the sounds people make but also their lip and mouth shapes as well as giving cues as to how to hold his tongue to make the correct sounds - also games around clicking his tongue and silly aerated rhymes "thronging thrush thrusted through the threadbare trees" or whatever comes to mind. Seems to be helping.

    6. Re:Same here by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Try this one:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFPtc8BVdJk

      The McGurk effect. No white noise required.

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    7. Re:Same here by TheLink · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      What might also be good is some device for dogs (ddr dance pads + computer + software), and some training for humans, so that people stop trying to get their dogs to do stuff like this:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXo3NFqkaRM

      I suspect many dogs can talk to us if we just give them a device to do so something like what Stephen Hawking uses might be useful (with a cut down vocab).

      A huge part of perception is done in the brain, I found the McGurk effect rather interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFPtc8BVdJk

      No matter what I know and try, I still hear the sound that's not there when I look at it...

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    8. Re:Same here by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Talking about Walters, doesn't her carreer as a wildly successful news anchor contradict the OPs statement 'The issue is it can obviously inhibit options for jobs/other aspects of life etc.'. I don't think that it's obvious at all. The need for adult speech pathology seems massively overrated for most people in most professions if even news anchors can get away with having an impediment.

      Women are the exceptions, where it comes to speech impediments. The studies I've read seem to indicate women didn't have as many speech impediments as men did, and when they did suffer them, whether it was the result of them being born with or as the result of a well-documented brain injury, their recovery rates were much higher than those of men suffering the same condition.

    9. Re:Same here by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

      Well I guess it's just wrong to call Barbaras impediment an impediment because it certainly didn't impede her any. A PC term would be 'different' or some other watered down insult but the truth is simpler, it's a dialect, and there are thousands of those for any language. Those that need speech doctors have serious trouble communicating, Barbara just has a strange accent. Calling her accent an impediment is an insult to those with real difficulties. It just seems that the OP is also trying to affect accent, not real difficulty, which is a waste his efforts and the real help that those in difficulty need.

    10. Re:Same here by Idarubicin · · Score: 1

      The need for adult speech pathology seems massively overrated for most people in most professions if even news anchors can get away with having an impediment.

      Tokenism, deliberate or not. Can you name any others?

      The existence of one news anchor with a mild speech impediment does not prove or disprove the assertion that a speech impediment inhibits success in employment or other aspects of life. That some particularly talented or determined individuals can work around a particular handicap does not mean that they aren't handicapped.

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    11. Re:Same here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /r/ is by far the toughest one. It causes people in our profession much consternation.

      Man, I really haven't been keeping up with 4chan these days.

    12. Re:Same here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is she hawt?

    13. Re:Same here by TheLink · · Score: 1

      How's that offtopic? Dogs have speech difficulties, and most just want to play games ;).

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    14. Re:Same here by CTalkobt · · Score: 1

      I went to a speech pathologist twice weekly in grade school for about 4 years to concentrate on my R's. (They came out similair to w's). I also had issues with stuttering. A number of posters have commented on "What's the point? Person X is doing fine speaking that way." ... They may be - but speech patterns can have a large impact of social acceptance to individuals at a young age. Young kids will make fun of anything that appears different to them. I eventually accomplished the R's and as a teenager eventually grew out of my stuttering issue - it still reappears periodically but never to the extent it did when I was younger (it was cool - my brain would actually run 2-3 words ahead to spot any problem words and start finding substitutions... - now I say what I think which is another problem).

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  12. Biased against gamers! by stimpleton · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A number of clients are guys who enjoy playing computer games, and for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech

    I have every incentive. When you are split from the team, a boomer's just puked his bile over you, you're blind as a bat, and the zombie hoard is coming, you need to communicate quickly, concisely, and clearly to your team mates. Since I have started using a mic for gaming , I find myself, mumbling less(such as at work), and becoming very proactive in the quality of my voice communication!

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    1. Re:Biased against gamers! by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 1

      Thus: Keybinds were invented (way before voice chat was added to their games).

      Pressing a key (or mouse button if you have more than 3 whole buttons) will send an obvious team chat to designate you need help.

      Don't get me wrong however, sometimes speech can be good in certain games where you need on the fly strategy. Just wasn't a good example however :P

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  13. activities for those with concrete thinking issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    star gazing & hand waving is back/bigger than ever. being kind to your neighbor is still wide open.

  14. Don't do anything by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "some have no incentive to try and improve their speech."
    If they have no incentive then don't bother with them. If someone isn't willing to work at something then there's no point helping them, they're still going to fail. If they have trouble getting employment, then that's an incentive right there. You don't need to create incentives for someone who doesn't want to try.

    If there isn't an incentive then there usually isn't a problem. If they don't have trouble getting a job, don't have trouble working with people, don't want to talk to people online, then they're not likely to bother trying to improve their speech.

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    1. Re:Don't do anything by nulldaemon · · Score: 1

      If they have no incentive then don't bother with them. If someone isn't willing to work at something then there's no point helping them, they're still going to fail. If they have trouble getting employment, then that's an incentive right there. You don't need to create incentives for someone who doesn't want to try..

      It's clear the OP doesn't give a toss about why the clients "have no incentive", he just wants to solve the problem regardless of your feelings about people needing to motivate themselves. I respect his position much more than using emotions or jealousy as an excuse not to solve the problem.

    2. Re:Don't do anything by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your theory might work (emphasis on the might, very few human societies have ever tried to operate on the "well, if he isn't motivated just ignore him until he is" principle, so there aren't many data) on more or less rational adults.

      It is quite possible, though, given the usual places you find speech/language pathologists that OP's girlfriend will be dealing with children. That strategy simply doesn't cut it with them.

    3. Re:Don't do anything by Firehed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And yet, the rather flamebait-ish response is completely valid and correct. A lack of incentive will lead to a lack of success - so you need to address that before you can address the actual problem (and once you do, traditional approaches will probably work fine). Wasting time on people that don't give a damn is just that - wasting time.

      That said, if the patients are so into gaming, that would be a good place to start looking to FIND motivation. No, I don't have any advice in this area, as it was primarily people chatting in video games that drove me away from online gaming.

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    4. Re:Don't do anything by nulldaemon · · Score: 1

      And yet, the rather flamebait-ish response is completely valid and correct. A lack of incentive will lead to a lack of success - so you need to address that before you can address the actual problem (and once you do, traditional approaches will probably work fine).

      Nevertheless, in this case the incentive *is* the problem that the OP is trying to address through the use of computer games. The OP is asking how to address this problem, and instead of answering directly, Freeman basically responded "you shouldn't solve this problem" or asserted that the problem is inherently unsolvable. Both of those answers are very much unproductive.

    5. Re:Don't do anything by Inda · · Score: 1

      was primarily people chatting in video games that drove me away from online gaming.

      Why? Is your mom teh fag lamer noob?

      Seriously, I can't stand voice chatting on games either. There's always someone with a bad mouth. One who's played the game a million times more than me and like to tell me at every opportunity. One who get a little bit too excited. One who wants to chat about anything but the game...

      Talking is overrated.

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  15. SLP = speech language pathologist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for those of you lucky enough not to have experience in this area.

  16. You mean like marketing people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just wondering...

  17. Re:Several months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Precisely what I was thinking. Putting people in bubbles aren't going to make them change. How about taking away their computer? Better yet, how about giving them a computer which only responds to speech? We aren't helpless creatures and our empathy for people sometimes end up producing negative results. People need real challenges, not a pad on their backs. Now I'm not saying people should be tortured, please don't misunderstand me here, I'm saying that there's a reason to why people who don't speak a language learn to order food or ask for directions first. If we really need to learn something we will try our hardest to learn it. Sometimes it might not be enough -- in which case a person should be aided, but until then the service would more often be a disservice. Fluffing the pillows of already privileged people is not the answer, and yes if you own a computer which you can play games on without worrying about food on your table and a roof above your head you are privileged. There are people far worse off who become far greater humans, because it was either pull your shit together or die. Though of course there were also many who didn't make it, still I think we can all agree that with regards to these people in topic it's long way until it reaches to that.

  18. Nonhuman listeners might not be the best route... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Disclaimer: I know nothing of artificial voice recognition.

    If the voice-recognition software erroneously recognizes incorrect pronounciation/inflection/etc as correct, you might end up just training these people to produce speech that satisfies the internal rules used by the recognition software - which may differ from speech we'd classify as more normal. In a more machine-learning sense, the error surfaces between the software and human speech recognition share a minimum (normal human speech) - but, the software may have other minima into which the speech-impaired folks may inadvertently fall.

  19. only slightly OT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoever decided that they should be called 'speech pathologists' didn't really think of the patients. 'Speech pathologist' actually quite a difficult thing to say.

    1. Re:only slightly OT by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1

      Whoever decided that they should be called 'speech pathologists' didn't really think of the patients. 'Speech pathologist' actually quite a difficult thing to say.

      That's not only slightly "OT." That is exactly the sort of thing an Occupational Therapist would say.

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  20. Old school but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about a MUD? For the uninitiated, it's a text-based multiplayer online RPG. There are hundreds to choose from, themed from Star Wars to Discworld to Pokemon, so hopefully there would be one that they'd be interested in. Clients and games are (almost all) free, so it's a good option for a low budget too.

    It's text-based, sure, but you can't type the usual gibberish you would in an FPS chat for example. You have to write fully formed sentences, and generally as you get better at playing, your sentences become more fluent and detailed (especially in an RP MUD). I would say improved reading and writing would carry over to speech, but I'm not a therapist, so I couldn't say for sure.

    My other thought would be, if there are a lot of these guys, why not set up a tournament in something like TF2? You might be able to disable text, but even if you can't it would still help. If there are only people with similar problems playing, then it should reduce nervousness about talking to each other, and playing a team game like that means that coordinating your actions and clearly describing situations and locations on the map to each other gives you a huge advantage over the other team.

  21. Girls. by rueger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A passle of good looking girls, a few beers, and these guys will have lots of incentive to hone their language skills.

    It's like the old story of the kid who grew to be twelve years old without ever uttering a word. Doctors found nothing, psychologists found nothing, neurologists found nothing - there was no reason why he shouldn't talk.

    One morning though he sat down at the kitchen table picked up his breakfast, and said "This porridge is cold!"

    His startled Mother says "My God Tommy! You talked! What happened?"

    Tommy looks at her and says "Until now everything was OK."

    1. Re:Girls. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.... and no. It's easy to think that everyone is created equal and if you can do it, so can they. Truth is, some brains are just wired differently from early development, and there are things you can do that they can't - and likely things they can do that you can't.
       
      /. is a good sampling of differently wired brains that are much slower at impressing the opposite sex - maybe no less desire than normal, just really clumsy.

    2. Re:Girls. by syousef · · Score: 1

      A passle of good looking girls, a few beers, and these guys will have lots of incentive to hone their language skills.

      That didn't work for the slashdot crowd. Plenty of incentive and generally we still only speak geek and get shy around women ;-)

      It's like the old story of the kid who grew to be twelve years old without ever uttering a word.....Tommy looks at her and says "Until now everything was OK."

      That story is pure fiction. If kids know one thing innately it's how to complain. Some babies are more placid, I'll grant you but babies get sick and babies get fussy. There is no way you're going to make the perfect meal for 12 years running.

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    3. Re:Girls. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please remember that some geeks are women. Comments like this are exceptionally alienating to those of us who are both. Imagine how you'd feel if it, instead, said "generally I only speak to geeks, not men."

  22. NLD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps do a little bit of study in the realm of non-verbal learning disorders, these can affect speech and language as well.

  23. Timmeh by Kohath · · Score: 1, Funny

    Timmeh!

    TIMMEH!

  24. Spectral Analysis by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1

    It's not a "game" per se, but it might be interesting to the client to see a spectrogram of their actual speech. Then they could try to match the pattern to a model spectrogram of the therapist's speech.

    Then you could make funny fart noises and see what those look like.

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  25. Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid, by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

    Feedback control is usually how they got people to stop stutter.

    They put a microphone on them and feed what they're saying back into headphones with a slight delay.

    I guess it's also good for other things.

  26. Computer activity for those with language diff.. by FreemanPatrickHenry · · Score: 2

    Slashdot editor?

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  27. must at least have a hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Masturbation is a great one

  28. flight sim by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

    Get 'em flight gear, set up a multiplayer env. where they have to do voice communication wtih air traffic control

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  29. English or American? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Note that the poster was in the UK - so does the speech recognition understand English or just American? I remember an incredibly frustrating phonecall using the United Airlines speech "recognition" system they used a while ago to give out flight times. Being British the damn thing completely failed to understand what I was saying until I guessed that it wanted a US accent. Amazingly my fake American accent was enough to get some comprehension from the system. So, unless whatever speech recognition you use is designed for British accents and language, all you may end up doing is exchanging one speech impediment for another!

    1. Re:English or American? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll have you know that the American accent ain't an 'impediment'. Y'all is just too hoyty-toyty over there.

    2. Re:English or American? by Inda · · Score: 1

      Aw bless, can't cope with the Queen's english? Maybe you hicks should have picked French.

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    3. Re:English or American? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think it was your accent, those things just suck. I'm an American, grew up in the midwest, which is what the "standard TV broadcaster" accent is supposed to be based on, and those systems never understand me. I may not be a stage actor, but I do speak reasonably clearly -- particularly when I'm on the phone trying to get a voice recognition tool to work.

  30. Random Idea: Rosetta Stone by MBCook · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OK, this is a somewhat random idea. There are a few games that use speech input (some have already been mentioned), but they are usually very finicky for someone without any speech problems, so I would think they would be very frustrating for people who have trouble.

    So let me try a semi-random idea: what about Rosetta Stone?

    Everyone's pronunciation sucks when they start learning a new language. If you could find one they are interested in for whatever reason (French, Japanese, Spanish, Russian, whatever) they could learn that language. Not only would that be a useful skill, but they would have to work at the new pronunciations. As they get better at those, they will improve their ability to pronounce those same sounds in English. Actually, a language that sounds rather different from English may be better as everything they say, right or wrong, will sound "foreign" and thus be less likely to trigger embarrassment.

    The more of the language they learn, the more useful it becomes to them as they could talk to other people, watch TV/movies from a country that speaks that language, etc.

    I got quite a lot of reading practice from video games as a kid. If they are the kind that might be motivated to learn a new language, it could really work.

    By the time they decide "this is stupid", perhaps their speech will have improved enough for them to see it's worth while.

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    1. Re:Random Idea: Rosetta Stone by tabrnaker · · Score: 1
      Then again, very few languages have the same speech sounds as English does. Nor do they have the same frequency range.

      Now, what helped me with my English pronounciation was yoga and correcting my posture.

      Makes perfect sense when you think about it since how we use the different resonant cavities in our body and how we shape them determines the sound that comes out. In fact, the difference between being able to pronounce r and l has a lot to do with head tilt.

      Just watch a good voice impersonator to see how they contort themselves..

  31. Computer-assisted language learning by yaoziyuan · · Score: 1

    Some of my computer-assisted language learning (CALL) ideas on http://sites.google.com/site/yaoziyuan/ideas can also benefit native speakers. For example:

    Orthography-Enhanced English (OEE) - Sometimes spelling a word based on its pronunciation can be hard, even for native speakers. For example, is it Lawrence or Lawrance? We can slightly change a word's visual form to help recall its correct spelling. For example, when the computer displays a word that has the -ance suffix (e.g. instance), it can lower the letter a to some degree, just like Intel has a trademark "intel" with a lowered e. Such a new visual form can help people recall that the unclear letter in inst?nce is a because a is always lowered in -ance while e is never lowered in -ence.

  32. Speech Software by JScarry · · Score: 1

    We've been selling speech software since 1994 that seems to do what you are asking for. Basically we show a picture and say a word. phrase, sound, sentence, and an exaggerated version of the word. The student repeats the sounds and compares their version to ours. It's simple but it works. Most of our users are kids, but adults who have had strokes or head injuries use it too. Our website is at http://www.learningfundamentals.com/ You can check out the software, without the recording part, in the Exercises section.

  33. Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out Kanji Crammer at:
    http://www.crammersoft.org/kanjicrammer.html

  34. Games that are good for talking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Off the top of my head the best game I know of that encourages voice chat and has built in chat is Dungeons and Dragons online.

    You can play it for free, it has built in chat, and its not so intense so people seem to be more friendly than they can be in other games.

  35. Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid, by pw700z · · Score: 1

    Thank you -- you've provided a whole new avenue I can craft Google searches around, and the linked software is very interesting, too.

  36. Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid, by pw700z · · Score: 1

    And thank you -- tools for language study is an angle i haven't explored yet.

  37. Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid, by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

    hint: "Praat Language Lab was developed to help students and language teachers learn to use the Praat software to improve spoken English. Many colleges and universities use Praat to provide visual feedback to spoken sound."
    apply google with hint

    If the program is too complex, the problem may be complex.

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  38. Learning Fundamentals in San Luis Obispo, CA by Brett+Johnson · · Score: 1
    Several years ago I did some software consulting for a company here in San Luis Obispo that developed such products.
    They develop software aimed at people with speech difficulties due to learning disability, hearing loss, or stroke.

    http://www.learningfundamentals.com/

    It is a small outfit run by a very reasonable guy named John Scarry.

  39. Improving Speech May Not be the Answer by codermotor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "A number of clients are guys who enjoy playing computer games, and for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech."

    This is pretty vague. There are many types of speech difficulties and many ways of dealing with them. As another poster pointed out, minor impediments are one thing, but problems related to physiological problems are more difficult to deal with.

    My wife has Athetoid Cerebral Palsy which carries a side effect of her having Tongue Thrust. No degree of traditional speech therapy is going to allow her to control her tongue well enough to speak, although some old-school (and clueless) SLP's tried during her childhood. An Augmentative Alternative Communication (AAC) device, specifically this, was the solution for her. There is a huge technology industry supporting people with severe speech problems, and similar tech is covered by most insurance carriers in the U.S., including Medicare.

    "The issue is it can obviously inhibit options for jobs/other aspects of life etc."

    It can and does but it doesn't have to, nor should it. There is a lot more tolerance of disabilities today. We know many people with moderate to severe speech-affected disabilities who manage to lead lives which are not so much affected by by their speech as they are by other aspects of their disabilities. The bigger problem for people with certain types of congenital speech problems, is not speech itself but language and communication deficits which come as a result certain areas of the individual's brain not being developed to the same degree as those who go through the normal speech-learning process as children. Modern SLP's will recognize when tradional therapy is not only the wrong approach, but actually counter-productive.

    "I was trying to think of fun computer based activities for those with speech and language difficulties that encourage individuals to speak and furthermore to speak with greater clarity."

    There is a lot of software out there which can be used by therapists, and an SLP-in-training should have already been made aware of its existence by those experienced in the field. I think much of it though is probably aimed at the very young. Unfortunately the controlling factors are mostly social, and especially with males, once the teen years are reached, the mold is set unless the individual is already very self-motivated. One has to look at the person's social environment, the severity of the deficit ("I always have an aide who understands me") and at the nature of his support group ("I can already communicate with everyone who is important to me") and his own personal goals.

    It seems you've asked for a solution to a very complex problem but haven't defined the problem set enough to suggest a pat solution (of which there are none anyway - each case is different enough from any other that there are few to no general solutions).

    1. Re:Improving Speech May Not be the Answer by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1

      Mod up. This guy gets it.

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    2. Re:Improving Speech May Not be the Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Im the OP
      Many thanks to all who replied with thoughts, ideas and offers of discussion/further options (leetrout).

      I hope it goes without saying. Neither my GF nor I are in no way financially benefiting from this feedback. My GF does not work/train in private practice; it’s the national health system. Also my GF is training to do this - its not for a class project :) - and its off my own back I said to her I would ask the Slashdot community for its thoughts given a selection of her clients were guys who enjoyed IT.
        She had not discussed any cases with me given it would be completely unethical in answer to codermotor's valid point that this was a vague fix for a complex problem. There is no particular single client issue in mind here. I should have clarified that.
      Also the levels of speech impairment that she deals with are moderate to severe. Though I believe a number of clients can have moderate or severe issues and the additional burden of having the milder issues of stutters or lisps.

        Furthermore when I said some have no incentive to try and improve their speech, what I meant was that some have the financial means to severely limit their need to use speech in dealing with the world at large. It does not mean they are rich, just sufficiently well off not to have to deal with the outside world using speech all that often. In some instances i believe this is a by product of "my speech is not that great and no one really understands me so Im not going to bother dealing with folks using speech whenever possible." And these folks can exist albeit, what might be considered by some, in a somewhat limited form in relation to their potential.

      That is my fault for not being clearer. A by product from writing/posting at 1 am.

      What I had hoped to do was possibly provide my GF with some new options/angles to complement her existing/future training, knowledge of products, processes and ideas when dealing with clients who enjoy IT and possible those who may not have considered what it can facilitate. I was also hoping to get input from those who have possibly been through similar problems given Slashdot is an IT oriented community.
      Hope that all made sense.

      This is my first post/ask in reading Slashdot since the end of 97. you would have thought i would have had enough savvy to know i had to be crystal clear in my post/spec functional or otherwise :)

      Thanks again
      I salute you all

  40. Look at the benefits ... by tomhudson · · Score: 1

    A number of clients are guys who enjoy playing computer games, and for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech. The issue is it can obviously inhibit options for jobs/other aspects of life etc.

    They've learned it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool, rather than speak and prove it.

    Also, if they have no incentive, why are they clients? They must have SOMETHING that's motivating them.

    1. Re:Look at the benefits ... by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      My guess is the "clients" are really students.

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  41. Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid, by dexotaku · · Score: 1

    What you're describing is almost exactly how Rosetta Stone [as seen on TV] works.

  42. Re:Several months by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

    How about letting them be? You know, as a kid I always hated artificial consequences, they don't work in the real world. In most cases they were totally pointless. For example, you come home late and so you get grounded. That doesn't happen in the real world. You come home late in the real world and you either get up for work the next morning and are a bit tired, you take a "sick" day or the day off and nothing more comes of it. In the real world if you have a speech problem in general nothing major is going to come of it if you are skilled in another area. Look at Stephen Hawking, due to ALS, he requires a voice synthesizer to speak yet he is one of the most brilliant men of our time. If you are good enough in other areas to not have to speak much, good for you. We should not place false artificial consequences, people in "the real world" are generally pretty accommodating if you don't tick them off. I have no doubts that someone who is mute or talks strange can accomplish great things, if they can live their life without needing to speak properly let them.

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  43. Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid, by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

    A novice programmer like yourself could conceivably get the first part. Displaying images, recording and playing back sound samples are all readily available functions you can call on via C# and open source libraries.

    However, adding the second feature would increase the complexity of the project a hundred to a thousand times. That's high end speech recognition, and you would need to put in probably months to years coding it up and would need advanced understanding of mathematics and of the algorithms used to do that.

  44. but....... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why non-talk-able is a problem?
    all computer guys can communicate without using the mouth......

    and else......u don't know how to use a computer.......

    so?........just like classifying mental patients?.........

    actually many "problems" are defined by plain humans.......
    but not the nature of this universe.......

    if.....the society really really evolves into mouth-useless one....
    maybe the days to "shut" the mouth will come.....

    1. Re:but....... by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      You still have to speak in person with people in public when you go to work, run errands, or go out to do something fun. Some jobs require that you can speak well, like being a salesman or a politician. Your personal relationships with your friends and especially your family will require you to talk with them, even if just to say "I love you." Most people don't know sign language and writing everything on a notepad for someone to read is awkward and more time-consuming.

      Go outside once in awhile. Seek professional help.

  45. Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If all you're going to do is tell people you won't help them, why on Earth are you on AskSlashdot? Do you by any chance visit gaming forums and tell the members to stop wasting their lives? Perhaps go on Linux forums and smirk at how all those people are giving away code and help to ungrateful leeches?

  46. Imagine Learning English by KingDork2K3 · · Score: 1

    I teach ESL at a K-5 elementary school. My school just started using Imagine Learning English - www.imaginelearning.com - which is really impressive and useful, though expensive. The program has
    many activities which show videos of mouths making different sounds. Be aware though that the program does not allow you to designate the activities a student works on - it gives an hourlong assessment on first use, and then works on areas where the student is deficient. If you login as a teacher, you can do any activity, BUT it doesn't track your progress then...
    Still, the program is awesome and anyone interested in Computer Assisted Language Learning should check it out.

  47. My son's psychotic by symbolset · · Score: 4, Funny

    So I got him Postal 2. The times when he's setting characters on fire and putting them out by peeing on them is by far the happiest he's ever been. It's fun to see him find fulfillment, but I've taken to locking the bedroom door at night.

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  48. Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid, by tabrnaker · · Score: 1
    Or you can use python on linux and the open source speech libraries designed by academic linguists to do this sort of thing. A google search for speech analysis/recognition and linux should turn up the necessary libraries.

    Now, understanding the gobbledygook that comes with speech analysis to actually understand the libraries is what might take years.

  49. Difficult functionality, research is catching up by hepaminondas · · Score: 1

    Correcting a human's articulations is a really tough task for a machine.
    Interesting research on the topic has already been made, and the most interesting that I've seen lately is coming from KTH, in Sweden.

    ARTUR - the ARticulation TUtoR
    http://www.speech.kth.se/multimodal/ARTUR/

    I guess you could ask them about the availabitilty of their software, but you would need a lot of work to customize it for each of the participants.
    Or they could maybe give you an alternative....

  50. Speech and language difficulties, rings a bell... by noidentity · · Score: 1

    Here are some useful links for people with speech and language difficulties:

    Twitter
    MySpace
    YouTube (comments section)
    Text Messaging

  51. Re:Several months by noundi · · Score: 1

    How about letting them be? You know, as a kid I always hated artificial consequences, they don't work in the real world. In most cases they were totally pointless. For example, you come home late and so you get grounded. That doesn't happen in the real world. You come home late in the real world and you either get up for work the next morning and are a bit tired, you take a "sick" day or the day off and nothing more comes of it. In the real world if you have a speech problem in general nothing major is going to come of it if you are skilled in another area. Look at Stephen Hawking, due to ALS, he requires a voice synthesizer to speak yet he is one of the most brilliant men of our time. If you are good enough in other areas to not have to speak much, good for you. We should not place false artificial consequences, people in "the real world" are generally pretty accommodating if you don't tick them off. I have no doubts that someone who is mute or talks strange can accomplish great things, if they can live their life without needing to speak properly let them.

    So you're more into the line of simply taking away their computers (unless they earned it themselves) until they learn to earn it themselves. That's exactly my point. While I do see your point about Hawking he's however an exceptional man, and I wouldn't expect such an outcome for a vast number of subjects going through the same scenario. In those cases where you're not dealing with a genius you are sometimes required to aid. Not aid as in wipe their asses, but to give them the roll of paper and challenge them to do it themselves while making sure that they aren't hurt during the process (weird analogy but I get my point across). If you however do have a problem with speech you're still better off than deaf people, who nowadays live and work just like any other person does. I don't see the issue here, really. I'm having problems learning my fourth language which I'm currently trying to learn, and being a resident in the country which speaks this language I can tell you that I first learned to order food and ask for directions, as my survival instincts motivated me to do. Unfortunately I have been too lazy to learn it more properly than I could have, but I'm feeling some real pressure now and this has caused me to start studying on my own during my spare time.
    As you say the motivation needs to be real, no matter how harsh it might seem. Otherwise people won't change their ways, no matter if it's about learning to speak properly or going around it to become a larger human than you once were -- like Hawking did.

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  52. I can think of one obvious incentive by vlm · · Score: 1

    I realize this is slashdot not "soap opera storyline dot com", but still surprised no one noticed:

    My girlfriend

    A number of clients are guys

    some have no incentive to try and improve their speech.

    The boyfriend is always the last to know. Even if your girlfriend is doing absolutely nothing inappropriate with the guys at all, they might sign up solely to enjoy looking at her, or daydreaming or just purely platonic-ly bored/lonely.

    (If its not obvious, nothing personal intended dude, just having some fun with how the story was written)

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  53. Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid, by Faerunner · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey, that's my job!
    (Part of it, anyway. I work with kids with autism spectrum disorders and many, many of them have great difficulties with speech and language processing. They not only don't speak clearly (if at all) but they have trouble labeling objects both receptively (touch the couch!) and expressively (what is that? Couch!)). I'm really interested to see what people have to say about this. The best motivation I've found is to take away anything the kid really wants (food, drinks, toys, computer) and make them ask for it repeatedly during a session, modeling the appropriate way to ask (Picture Exchange Communication System, sign language, verbal cues, Dynavox, Dynawrite...) and then making sure that they are asking at the highest level they are able to reach. I won't take "waha" for "water" when I know they can say "wata". It can be frustrating for them but if you always reward with the item after they've made a few (good) attempts to ask, they'll very soon learn that it's worth speaking clearly so they don't have to go through "I didn't understand you - say it again!" six times. Once they know that communication is effective in fulfilling their desires you can work on shaping language to a clearer state. If they're not motivated you'll get nowhere. For some of them I'd honestly advocate putting them in a public setting with a list of questions they have to ask in order to find their way "home", standing back and watching. If they can't get passerby to understand them, and are capable of understanding -why- they aren't understood, they'll hopefully shape up their speech patterns as fast as they can at least to a level where most people can grasp what they're saying. Just don't do with the guys who are going to be easily frustrated or become violent (duh).
    I can't play back a kid's voice without a tape recorder in hand, but I do a lot of modeling, overexaggerated lip movements and bouncing around to make it fun and I can react a lot better than a computer can to a kid's changing attention and level of motivation.

  54. Help the Speech Impaired by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am more than slightly aware of a violent form of prejudice being exercised against speech impaired children. Take a look at how your local school system handles kids with speech difficulties. The evil trick is that they assign several students at once for speech therapy that absolutely must be delivered one on one. Naturally the therapy is totally worthless and the children fail to progress. They are sent to the therapist for a couple of years and then the school board sends a letter to the parents that the child has received all possible therapy and fails to respond and therefore will remain handicapped. What this does is reduce expenses to the school system. Therapists in the system have informed their superiors that the therapy they are required to give can not have any chance of helping the children. If they push the point the will be dismissed.
                      Other students that receive a huge mistreatment often include mentally ill students. For example children from the state mental hospital are trans ported to the other extreme of Broward County Florida every day. That is through dense urban traffic in a huge county, Ninety minutes one way for very ill children is absurd. One child was so ill that after murdering both parents he was so violent that he has to have a personal, arms length orderly 24 hours a day. Because of state laws this kid was transported by buss across the county like all other mentally ill kids although he has no chance of ever being released and is an absolute threat to everyone around him including other kids.

  55. Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid, by leetrout · · Score: 1

    I posted below... I've created exactly what you described without the speech recording / processing.

    Check it out at http://www.2galsspeechproducts.com/

  56. communicate quickly, concisely, and clearly by Dareth · · Score: 1

    How hard is it to yell:

    "HELP! I DON'T WANT TO DIE!"

    Some choice expletives may be appropriate at this point as well.

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  57. Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid, by simoncpu+was+here · · Score: 1

    I was about to mod you up, but I guess it's useful to reply instead.

    I'm a stutterer and one of the problems that I've encountered is the lack of open source software for Delayed Auditory Feedback/Frequency Altered Feedback (DAF/FAF). DAF/FAF reduces stuttering to a certain degree.

    There is a need for a free Linux (or even Windows mobile) DAF/FAF software. If such free software exists, stutterers can simply install it on their PDAs (Angstrom Linux, anyone?), and connect it to a headphone. PDAs are much cheaper and useful than DAF/FAF hardware.

  58. Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The newest version of Rosetta Stone does this fairly well except that with single words it does not point out the problems in pronunciation. With multiple word phrases it will point out which words were not pronounced "correctly".

  59. Perthpective by DynaSoar · · Score: 1

    "for a variety of reasons some have no incentive to try and improve their speech."

    Their problem isn't speech impairment (though they may have some), it's motivation. Don't coddle them with the games they like so much, it will only encourage them. As each of these problem children come to a session, present them with their discharge papers with a sticky note next to the signature line that says SIGN HERE, and a bag of dry dog food (kibbles to you folks in the UK) with a note that says "Get used to it, if you refuse to participate in therapy you lose your disability payments." Either they'll come around, or they'll free up the slot for someone else who'll try harder.

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  60. Re:GTA: Fair Lady City by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The mods are obvious fans of Dick Van Dyke's "cockerney" accent...

  61. Darack Huzzein by tepples · · Score: 1

    Good one. I'd recommend Odama if the speech recognition wasn't so awful.

    That's why I play McCein instead ;-)

  62. Re:Not to hijack, but I need something for a kid, by paragon1 · · Score: 1

    I'd wonder more about how he got modded insightful instead of funny. (I'm guessing his tone was intended to be tongue-in-cheek)

  63. Turning basement dwellers into workers by tepples · · Score: 1

    If they have trouble getting employment, then that's an incentive right there.

    True. I have a disability, and I couldn't find a job until my state's vocational rehabilitation department referred me to an employment agency specializing in people with disabilities. But in a welfare state, the incentive becomes convincing patients why they would even need a job when they can live on the dole and/or leech off their parents as a parasite single.

  64. Say-N-Play is a speech practice game for kids. by RAMutex · · Score: 1

    *Disclaimer: I was a developer for this product*

    Say-N-Play is a speech articulation practice game designed for children ages 4-9. It was developed in cooperation with Holly Strange, MS, CCC/SLP, a speech language pathologist and her team to provide a fun and engaging way for children to practice their speech, so they look forward to it each day.

    We partnered with the Stanford Research Institute to create technology capable of analyzing and scoring independent phonemes within an utterance. You can just use free play for mild articulation problems, or play in lesson mode where you select the problem phonemes and a progression of difficulties is tested. It can ignore phonemes you have not set as targets if, for instance, the child cannot make R sounds but you are just trying to get them to practice B sounds. It begins with easier positions (eg: initial, final) and moves all the way up to blends and phrases.

    The product was designed to be used either in the office along with the guidance of a speech language pathologist, or at home to supplement their lessons and direction. The vocal models are based on US English (child, adult male and adult female vocal models are provided), but the primary focus is on consonant phonemes.

  65. Start simple by thethibs · · Score: 1

    First, teach them to understand Liverpuddlian.

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