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Nvidia Announces 3D Blu-ray Format For 2010
Barence writes "Nvidia has announced that 3D Blu-ray movies will begin appearing in 2010. A spokesman confirmed that the Blu-ray Association — to which Nvidia is a contributor — had settled on the 'proper parameters [for] what constitutes a 3D Blu-ray' and claimed the first 3D Blu-ray films would hit the shelves 'towards the end of Summer 2010.' Nvidia will support the standard through its 3D Vision technology, using bit rates of around 60Mbits/second — twice that of a standard movie — although HDMI 1.3 'should have sufficient bandwidth' to ensure smooth playback. New files will be encoded using the MVC-AVC format, which is based on the AVC format currently used by Blu-ray movies.' Update: HotHardware has some additional details, including images of demo hardware.
Also, some nice high res images of the Acer panel here: http://hothardware.com/News/NVIDIA-Demos-3D-BluRay-On-3D-Vision/
>>> “future Blu-ray equipment will need more powerful chips” to play content smoothly, with “the majority” of major manufacturers set to release “brand new players” next year.
Good luck selling those, you're going to need it!
Is there some wicked cool technology that's going to work on my existing (brand new) TV without glasses? Will the directors stop putting in just-for-the-effect, in-your-face scenes meant only to remind you the film is "in 3d!" I've watched a couple of modern 3D films at home and - honestly - they're pretty annoying. Then again, maybe I'm just too old.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
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If they thought 1080p was a tough sell, wait until they see the underwhelming reaction from the public when this crap rolls out.
I'm not really interested in having a fancy pants 3D diplay on my computer or laptop. All I want it is on the wall and it seems to me the simplest way to get it there is DLP projection since you can decouple how the pixels are created from the display surface. i.e. just use a regular DLP at twice the frame rate. Have the rotating color wheel or a secondary wheel do the polarization flipping. That way there's no crazy polarizer the size of the display surface or a linticlar lens system to mess with. cheap and effective. The trick will be doubling (or quadrupleing) the DLP frame rate which is an easily forseable and incremental technology advance. Worst case is to use two DLP chips and a ploarizing beam splitter which could be done right now.
What's lacking for the consumer is a dvd format that stores the alternating frame info and standard that transmits via RGB or what ever to the projector with the proper left-right sync.
Why is this taking so long? and when will I be able to buy one.
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3D Blu-ray movies will need screens with refresh rates of 120Hz, double the current standard of 60Hz, and 2x speed Blu-ray drives. As with all of Nvidia's 3D products, shutter glasses will be required to view films. The new specification raises concerns about the capability of current hardware to play forthcoming 3D releases, with Berraondo confirming that “future Blu-ray equipment will need more powerful chips” to play content smoothly, with “the majority” of major manufacturers set to release “brand new players” next year.
I'm sure the people who can afford a fullHD tv@120Hz and a new player to see shrek 3D will rush to buy it. All 20 of them.
There is an nice history of having no need for this nor wanting it.
Stop working on 2D 3D displays and do more work on holograms (although I doubt I'd want to watch a 2hr movie as a hologram.
Didn't we establish back in the '70s that nobody is that interested in 3d movies?
What's the difference between this "3D" and the "3D" included on existing titles like the Coraline Bluray disc? Is this just a proprietary technology requiring special hardware with the same relative outcome?
RTFA. First of all, there have been several models of TV that can actually display 120 hz and do 3d. Most of them use DLP for their light engine, but I think the very latest model LCDs can also do it. (that is, they've gotten the LCD crystals fast enough that there isn't too much ghosting between frames to do 3d)
Second, if you RTFA, you'll see it mention that the ps3 has plenty of power to display a 3d blueray movie. PS3 has ALWAYS been the best blue ray player, from the very beginning.
And finally : there are a fair number of major movies that had theater releases in 3d. Obviously Avatar is the next one up. This standard will enable home viewers to watch these films again. It will be somewhat expensive : even if you have a ps3, most folks would need a new TV, and the glasses will probably retail for $30-$50 or so a pair once it's mass market.
3d gaming is the killer app for stereoscopic displays though. It's been possible for many years, and it's a fantastic improvement in computer graphics. The next generation of consoles may just have enough graphics horsepower to make it a mainstream activity.
Until you can manage 3D without the polarised glasses, I doubt it'll take off as anything more than a novelty. This is more of a barrier than even new hardware requirements. You average viewer wants to be able to relax in front of a movie. Those that don't wear glasses to begin with - ie the majority - can't do that while wearing these glasses. Until you can relax, fall asleep and cuddle or get romantic without having to worry about glasses poking you in the head or eye or getting in the way, it just isn't going to be mainstream.
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Show of hands please: how many here think "color" in movies is just a technological gimmick?
Dig back in time and you'll find pretty much the same complaints about the introduction of color into cinema. "Doesn't add to the plot." "Distracting when directors go 'look! color!'" "Waste of money upgrading perfectly good 5-inch black-and-white TVs." "Nobody really wants to see skin close-up in color." ...thing is, color is a part of our visual perception of the world, and we now demand it - in good quality - for our movies; ditto 3D.
Can we get a "-1 Wrong" moderation option?
How does multiview work? Is each video channel its own stream? Or is one channel a master, and deltas stored off that? Do they share common base frames?
I don't enjoy 3d movies. I don't find wearing glasses that long to be comfortable, and I don't find any added benefit to the extra dimensionality of the product. I saw the 3d Toy Story double feature at the local theater, and while the 3d was near perfect, I never once felt it added anything to my enjoyment. I've also seen Coraline, Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs and Monsters vs. Aliens in 3d, and I think I'm done. They're just not worth it.
3d video games, however, might be interesting, if they can lighten up the glasses and figure out a way to make them work with my own glasses.
I can personally recommend the following:
- Any of the IMAX 3D science/nature films. It's 3D because it was filmed in 3D, not because the director wants you ducking shit.
- "Up", the recent kids movie. I saw this one in 3D a while ago, and I must say, it was tastefully done.
But yes, most directors use 3D as an effect instead of a canvas, and the results are horribly annoying.
It's like CGI; there's a few directors who know how to use it well and tastefully (Terminator 2's T1000 being the ultimate example of good CGI), and then there's MICHAELBAYSPLOSIONS!!!111...
For those of us who wear prescription lenses already, seems like they could make lightweight clip-ons, such as are used for sun-glasses frequently. Since you are already wearing glasses, which you are used to and are comfortable, it seems like if they were well-designed, the clip-ons would be almost un-noticeable. But, I am kind of with you - for the most part, added depth-perception doesn't add much to the movie experience.
Figuring out the specs for en/decoding the data is no big deal. Display devices capable of producing the images without costing a small fortune and requiring the viewer to wear glasses... that's the challenge.
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Never. I'd love to believe that this will be some great new leap forward, but it is just a massive mis-step by a company trying to find new revenue streams. BR adoption is tepid at best, and that doesn't even exclude most of the population by requiring special glasses. It's always been a gimmick and nothing more. 3D offers very little to the viewer and certainly not enough to warrant wearing glasses for every movie you sit down to watch. Majorly flawed.
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MVC is a chain of adult video stores here in northern Virginia. It's great to see that Nvidia understands what audience will be first up to buy this technology.
I don't believe there's a single encoder, software or otherwise, that can actually create an MVC h.264 compatible stream for these hypothetical 3-d blu-rays. Heck, the spec just got fixed 2 months ago!
And no sane person is going to write one because there's no hardware that can play it back and no content to store with it.
When blu-ray came around, pretty much all new movies (and many many old) would benefit from the HD resolution. How much media is out there that would benefit from 3-d display now? How about in 2 years?
Sorry, but this is too early for a disc standard.
This is stereo vision, not 3D. Two images taken from a single, locked human-like perspective (meaning they're about an eye-width apart.) This is precisely the same technique the toy View-Master has been using since 1939, only with a stream of frame-pairs instead of a single pair.
Actual 3D allows you to see from multiple perspectives, defined by your angle of view. If you move your head, the scene changes. In a fully implemented display, if you went behind the display, you'd see the rear of the scene. That's 3D.
If you allow the manufacturers to pervert stereo views into "3D", what will you call actual 3D when it becomes available?
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The technology is already here. Follow the second link in the GP. Therefore, original point stands.
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Good luck selling those, you're going to need it!
Why? There's plenty of demand for cheap used Blu-Ray players.
But I question the need to sell - many people use PS3's for blu-ray and they should be able to support this with a firmware update - the PS3 came out of the gate supporting HDMI 1.3.
Players that do not support HDMI 1.3 would be the ones that might have to be let go of, but newer players that do might also be able simply to be updated to add support.
However, I don't really see the 3D stuff being more than a gimmick for a few years yet, at least. You might as well also complain about having to sell your old display as well, after all that will need upgrading too.
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BR adoption is tepid at best
No, actually, Blu-Ray adoption is actually about on par with where DVD adoption was:
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/tks-take/harris-interactive-survey-gets-slammed.
You HD-DVD supporters just can't let it go, can you. Despite obvious evidence in stores and truly cheap Blu-Ray players now, you just can't fathom something succeeding that killed you beloved HD-DVD (even though they are just about the same in terms of content delivery!)
Rejoice that consumers are embracing HD video, instead of hoping Blu-Ray will die just to spite the victor.
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Definition is presently understood to be resolution along an axis. If you hijack it to mean the presence of an axis, what happens when the resolution along that axis changes?
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Is the DRM also 3D? Does it actually come out and stab you in the eye?
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I beleive the 'donotwant' tag is quite sufficient here.
I couldn't care less about this and it's going to dilute the blu ray market which is already unfortunately weak.
I believe this is a foolish move.
I hate 3D movies. I have to squint and concentrate really hard just to see it without it looking like two images. Then I get a headache fairly quickly. And the effect isn't really impressive anyway. And you want me to wear some stupid glasses for this honor of watching some fake 3D crap? Fuck 3D movies.
I think you click that triangle to the left of the current tags and then you can type your own. And then it will show up there and convince you everybody else can see it too.
no body text, see subject line.
moron.
I'm sure the people who can afford a fullHD tv@120Hz and a new player to see shrek 3D will rush to buy it. All 20 of them.
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The 120 Hz set is easy to find, if not quite yet entry level. The Blu-Ray disk had a very successful Black Friday.
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When my sister's family made the move up to big screen HD their PS3 video game purchases doubled and re-doubled.
The basic cable box was replaced by the HD digital recorder. Blu-Ray and Netflix and WiFi home networking were woven into the mix not long after.
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I own some Nvidia 3d active shutter glasses, and we are still a long way from 3d being good enough to be worth it. By the time the tech makes the leaps to make it HOW YOU ACTUALLY perceive things, I bet they will have 3d TV's/ full color holograms, no need for glasses. You are always aware of the cone watching 3d. They can bring things out of the screen but the closer the objects get to you on z axis , the narrow the y axis. Scenes never look like real life. They look like a 3d movie. 85% of the time you are aware 'this is a effect' I've seen the latest 3d movies in the theaters the 3dfanboys have hardon's for, and they are not any better. Children care about this, because they don't know better. It also makes movie watching just a little too active. In real life your eyes would foucs differently on a object close up, but here everything is the same distance from you, the distance to the screen. Making watching 3d a little, ...active. I suppose you would get used to it thou. When they can make watching a movie look like watching a play, I'll start caring
And call them "Stereo"?
Because you wouldn’t call stereo audio "binaural audio" too, would you?
You can start calling it 3D, if you can actually focus on different depths and rotate it.
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