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Aussie Scientists Find Coconut-Carrying Octopus

An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from an AP report: "Australian scientists have discovered an octopus in Indonesia that collects coconut shells for shelter — unusually sophisticated behavior that the researchers believe is the first evidence of tool use in an invertebrate animal. The scientists filmed the veined octopus, Amphioctopus marginatus, selecting halved coconut shells from the sea floor, emptying them out, carrying them under their bodies up to 65 feet (20 meters), and assembling two shells together to make a spherical hiding spot. ... 'I was gobsmacked,' said Finn, a research biologist at the museum who specializes in cephalopods. 'I mean, I've seen a lot of octopuses hiding in shells, but I've never seen one that grabs it up and jogs across the sea floor. I was trying hard not to laugh.'"

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  1. Video by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the BBC.

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    1. Re:Video by PenguinX · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are apparently more videos on youtube

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DoWdHOtlrk&feature=player_embedded#

    2. Re:Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      There are apparently more videos on youtube

      there are videos on youtube?!? i call bs.

    3. Re:Video by pjt33 · · Score: 2, Informative

      They may have the first video evidence, but I'm sure I've heard about octopodes using tools before, and Google turns up one reference almost three years ago about a very similar case, and a 2008 paper (PDF) which reports observation of octopus tool use and references a 1984 paper as describing certain octopus behaviour as probably tool use. I'm not sure from the Google Scholar description of this 1999 paper whether it refers to mention of octopus tool use in 1940 or in Roman times:

      ...
      Historia, Liber IX, 48; Plinius Secundus, 1940) reported a description of tool-using behaviour ...

      Perhaps someone with a subscription can check it out.

    4. Re:Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just wait 'til they find the sunken ships... they'll build a navy!

    5. Re:Video by durrr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Those who see octopus using jetpacks usually don't have enough face left to tell the tale.

    6. Re:Video by ChameleonDave · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not sure from the Google Scholar description of this 1999 paper whether it refers to mention of octopus tool use in 1940 or in Roman times:

      ... Historia, Liber IX, 48; Plinius Secundus, 1940) reported a description of tool-using behaviour ...

      Perhaps someone with a subscription can check it out.

      No need. Pliny's Natural History was published at some point around AD 78. However, when you cite your sources as a scholar, you put the date of the edition you have in your hands. Hence, this person put "1940".

  2. What do you mean? by ExE122 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is it an African or a European octopus?

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    1. Re:What do you mean? by hardburn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Monty Python joke wasn't the first post on this story? Fail.

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    2. Re:What do you mean? by g3k0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is it an African or a European octopus?

      What? I don't know that! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    3. Re:What do you mean? by nacturation · · Score: 5, Funny

          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: Halt! Who goes there?
          PULPO: It is I, Pulpo, son of Leggus Tentaclus, from the castle
                  of Cephalot. King of the Invertebrates, defeator of the Squid, sovereign
                  of all the Ocean!
          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: Pull the other one!
          PULPO: I am. And this my trusty servant Sucksy.
                  We have ridden the length and breadth of the ocean floor in search of invertebrates
                  who will join me in my court of Cephalot. I must speak with your lord
                  and master.
          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: What, ridden on a horse?
          PULPO: Yes!
          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: You're using coconuts!
          PULPO: What?
          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: You've got two empty halves of coconut and you're bangin'
                  'em together.
          PULPO: So? We have ridden since the Titanic sunk onto this
                  land, through the kingdom of Laurentian, through--
          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: Where'd you get the coconut?
          PULPO: We found them.
          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: Found them? In the Laurentian Abyss? The coconut's tropical!
          PULPO: What do you mean?
          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: Well, this is a temperate zone.
          PULPO: The dolphin may swim south with the sun or the humpback whale may seek
                  warmer climes in winter yet these are not strangers to our land.
          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
          PULPO: Not at all, they could be carried.
          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: What -- a dolphin carrying a coconut?
          PULPO: It could grip it by the husk using its blowhole!
          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple
                  question of grasping ability! A dolphin has no means to carry a 1 pound
                  coconut.
          PULPO: Well, it doesn't matter. Will you go and tell your master
                  that Pulpo from the Court of Cephalot is here.
          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: Listen, in order to maintain the ability to breathe,
                  a dolphin needs to keep its blowhole free from obstruction, right?
          PULPO: Please!
          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: Am I right?
          PULPO: I'm not interested!
          OCTOPUS GUARD #2: It could be carried by a Great White shark!
          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: Oh, yeah, a Great White shark maybe, but not a dolphin,
                  that's my point.
          OCTOPUS GUARD #2: Oh, yeah, I agree with that...
          PULPO: Will you ask your master if he wants to join my court at Cephalot?!
          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: But then of course Great White sharks are not migratory.
          OCTOPUS GUARD #2: Oh, yeah...
          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: So they couldn't bring a coconut back anyway...
                  [clop clop]
          OCTOPUS GUARD #2: Wait a minute -- supposing two dolphins carried it together?
          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: No, they'd have to have it on a line.
          OCTOPUS GUARD #2: Well, simple! They'd just use the stipe of a bull whip kelp!
          OCTOPUS GUARD #1: What, tied to the dorsal fins?
          OCTOPUS GUARD #2: Well, why not?

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    4. Re:What do you mean? by TheCarp · · Score: 2, Funny

      Albatross!

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    5. Re:What do you mean? by cthulhu11 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Am I the only one who's tired of this hipster "fail" crap?

  3. But.... by tekrat · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is a temperate zone, the coconut's tropical.

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  4. Not only that .... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Funny

    These octopi were carrying the shells on their tippitty-toes and seemed to be dancing. To their amazement they found they were dancing to the tune of "I got a bubbly bunch of coconuts....dididi deedi dididi dee Here they are .. Big one Small One One as big as ..."

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  5. Ok... I'll do it. by nametaken · · Score: 4, Funny

    I for one welcome our quasi-migratory cephalopod overlords. The African Swallow has been sacked.

  6. African or European? by Kyrene · · Score: 4, Funny

    But supposing *two* octopuses (octopi?) carried it together!

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    1. Re:African or European? by xaositects · · Score: 2, Insightful

      no no, they'd have to have it on a line or something.

    2. Re:African or European? by eth1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      octopuses (octopi?)

      octopussies

  7. Call me surprised.. by fprintf · · Score: 4, Funny

    This will be news when they find an African or European swallow doing the same thing.

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  8. I was gob smacked too! by mandark1967 · · Score: 2, Funny

    hurt like the dickens and I felt like I was going to cry, laugh, and trow up all at the same time too!

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  9. Intelligent by Das+Auge · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I thought it was understood that octopi have primate-level intelligence. Why is this so surprising?

    1. Re:Intelligent by NoYob · · Score: 5, Informative

      I once had a pet octopus. It was small about the size of a fist all curled up. It was always moving things around the tank and rebuilding his or her stone "house".

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    2. Re:Intelligent by zippyspringboard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because it shows them using this intelligence in the wild, in a natural setting, presumably without human prompting. It's probably not surprising at all to those who study them, but science tends to demand evidence....

    3. Re:Intelligent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Indeed, they were originally designed to carry such items 6000 years ago.

    4. Re:Intelligent by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I thought it was understood that octopi have primate-level intelligence. Why is this so surprising?

      In the same sense that it's understood that Russels Teapot is filled with Earl Gray rather than Darjeeling.

      It's widely accepted that octopuses are probably more intelligent than any other invertebrates. That's a long way from putting them on the same level as primates.

    5. Re:Intelligent by Tetsujin · · Score: 2, Funny

      I once had a pet octopus. It was small about the size of a fist all curled up. It was always moving things around the tank and rebuilding his or her stone "house".

      Aw, that's cute... Just like bunnies!

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    6. Re:Intelligent by kylben · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Think about what it was doing while you weren't watching. Think about it!!!"

      Well, it does have 4 right hands. That leaves 4 left hands to type with.

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  10. Evidence of considerable cleverness... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Luckily for us, octopuses live underwater, so they won't have the chance to develop the use of fire, and are nonsocial and fairly short lived, so they won't have the chance to pass on knowledge from one to another.

    Were it not for that, we would probably be fighting for our lives against the many-legged hordes of the deep.

    1. Re:Evidence of considerable cleverness... by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you sure you're not describing slashdotters?

    2. Re:Evidence of considerable cleverness... by steelfood · · Score: 5, Funny

      What you say is true until Cthulhu rises again.

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    3. Re:Evidence of considerable cleverness... by ndogg · · Score: 2

      You laugh now, but wait until I've bred a few generations of social octopodes.

      Actually, this post is just an excuse for me to show off that I know the proper plural form of "octopus," which I might have looked up here.

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  11. vertebracentricity, and 8-arm outsourcing by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Octopuses and their relatives have been surprising researchers for quite a while. They can show some remarkable intelligence. Us vertebrates have competition. The squishy ones have brains too.

    They have a partially-decentralized brain, which makes for some interesting potential multi-core sci-fi: Planet of the Squids kind of stuff. And if they ever learn to type, they'll be four times more productive than us, maybe even more if a suction-cup-friendly keyboard/mouse is invented :-)

  12. Look at it walk! by DesScorp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That is so weird. You don't associate walking with an octopus, but that's exactly what it did... tuck the shell under it's body, and then scamper across the seabed using its tentacles like legs.

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  13. Give Ginger and MaryAnn a big hug by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's The Professor, he's been reincarnated! Now he can finish that coconut-shell nuclear reactor that Gilligan kept breaking.

  14. Not suprising by burtosis · · Score: 2, Informative
    On a trip to Florida, I found a neat clump of shells in shallow water. I picked it up and put it in a bucket along with some other shells thinking it was interesting. A few moments later I had a pile of shells and an octopus looking up at me angrily. So if it's smart enough to roll itself in shells, using it's suckers to keep them on, it’s not too surprising to me that these ones decided to use coconuts.

    Funny thing is that split coconuts probably aren't too common unless people or animals split them.

  15. Octopus & the Goldfish by Mr_Blank · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This reminds me of the story I have been telling for years whenever someone asks me why I do not eat Octopus.

    From Snopes

    A while back I heard a story that went like this: in a certain aquarium, fish kept disappearing from one of the tanks late at night. Baffled, the staff put up cameras to find out what was going on, and discovered that an octopus was climbing out of its tank, eating the fish, then crawling back to its own tank.

    Though the story is not verified, directly, there is consensus that the story is possible and is even likely to have occurred.

    1. Re:Octopus & the Goldfish by dm0527 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can't think of a better reason to eat the little fish thief...

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    2. Re:Octopus & the Goldfish by Ksevio · · Score: 3, Informative

      There was one aquarium where the octopus was eating the sharks at night before they finally noticed. There's a video on youtube of the octopus attacking that's pretty cool.

    3. Re:Octopus & the Goldfish by myowntrueself · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't understand. What does that story have to do with your willingness to eat octopus?

      Some people believe that eating sentient beings is wrong.

      I'm not vegetarian, but I draw the line at eating sentients.

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    4. Re:Octopus & the Goldfish by stockard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There was an incident where an octopus didn't like a light shining on him, and started shorting it out by climbing out of the tank and squirting it with water. I definitely wouldn't be surprised if one figured out how to get a little extra food.

  16. Re:Not funny? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why would you try not to laugh? Afraid of hurting the octo's feelings?

    While he may be a perfectly sensitive, metrosexual kind of guy, the immediate problem is that he was diving with SCUBA gear. Full out ROTFL in a SCUBA set can be a bit problematic. Deep gasps of water can ruin your day.

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  17. Re:Not funny? by Scutter · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why would you try not to laugh? Afraid of hurting the octo's feelings?

    While he may be a perfectly sensitive, metrosexual kind of guy, the immediate problem is that he was diving with SCUBA gear. Full out ROTFL in a SCUBA set can be a bit problematic. Deep gasps of water can ruin your day.

    Feh! He obviously has inferior equipment! He obviously needs a ROFL-capable set of SCUBA gear!

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  18. Indonesian octopi find tool using Aussie scientist by pitchpipe · · Score: 5, Funny

    JAKARTA (OP) - Indonesian octopi have discovered a scientist in Australia that uses rubber flippers on its feet for propulsion in water - unusually sophisticated behavior that the researchers believe is the first evidence of intelligence in a vertebrate animal.

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  19. I for one welcome... by Patrick+Manderson · · Score: 4, Funny

    I for one welcome our undersea, coconut wielding, overlords.

    There's been a few documentaries on the Discovery channel where they've not only mention how intelligent they were, but even suggested they might have emotions.

  20. Re:Not funny? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Full out ROTFL in a SCUBA set can be a bit problematic. Deep gasps of water can ruin your day.

    To be fair, one is very unlikely to be ROTFL in SCUBA gear. Far more likely is to be FITDL (Flailing In The Deep Laughing).

    Especially so if you screw up the gas mixture in your tank.

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  21. So? by Tetsujin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is it an African or a European octopus?

    You've got two empty 'alves of an octopus and you're bangin' em together!

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  22. CLIP CLOP by popeye44 · · Score: 2, Funny

    He was using them to make the CLIP-CLOP sound effect for the new theater play his "School" is putting on. The Headless Sea Horse.

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  23. Re:Not funny? by Arancaytar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, you definitely don't want to piss off an octopus that smart.

  24. Laugh while you can. by Arancaytar · · Score: 5, Funny

    'I mean, I've seen a lot of octopuses hiding in shells, but I've never seen one that grabs it up and jogs across the sea floor. I was trying hard not to laugh.'"

    You're laughing now. Just wait until Cthulhu returns.

  25. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn by Schadrach · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'a! I'a! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

  26. Re:Hermit Crab? by jgrahn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Either that or it's pretending it's a nautilus. Octopi are relatives (same class, Cephalopoda) of nautiluses, which are the only extant cephalopods with an external shell...that's secreted by the animal and not made of coconut.

    I think GP's point was that the Hermit Crab *does* find an unused shell of suitable shape and size and carry it around, so what's new?

    I don't quite understand why the octopus story is a big deal ... if its behavior is based on instinct rather than rational thinking, it only proves octopi are not dumber than craps, and we knew that already.

  27. Re:Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fht by harmonise · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stop talking while you are chewing your food.

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