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Google Nexus Rumored To Cost $530 Or $180 w/Plan

wkurzius writes "The new Google phone, the Nexus One, is rumored to cost $530 unlocked and will work on any GSM network. A subsidized version is also available for $180 and will get you a T-Mobile Even More Individual 500 Plan for 2-years with a $350 termination fee. Access to the phone is supposed to be invite only at first, with January 5th being the supposed release date."

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  1. Invite only? by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously? Since when the hell is the ability to buy a phone "invite only"? I swear the social aspect of phone ownership is getting ridiculous.

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    1. Re:Invite only? by CyberLord+Seven · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Consider yourself fortunate that you are not on the invite list. Remember the dorks who bought the iPhone when it first came out? Remember those same dorks just a few months later when Apple dropped the price? :)

      I suspect this invite only thing is just to drum up interest in the phone. Soon, everyone and his brother will be able to buy one just like Gmail.

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    2. Re:Invite only? by alecto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just a marketing gimmick to make people feel elite. Invites will be about as scarce as Gmail invites.

    3. Re:Invite only? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And/or a marketing gimmick to map who knows who...

    4. Re:Invite only? by xch13fx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      umm, the razr was a status symbol, as soon as the price dropped and att stopped having exclusivity people began to hate theirs. Blackberrys, and treos then became the phones to have. The iphone is now the phone people want to be seen talking on and I imagine those who like that aspect best are getting tired of seeing other people with iphones. I guess your right that the mere fact that you had a cell in the 90s was a big deal, but now the type of phone you have is indeed a status symbol.

    5. Re:Invite only? by MBGMorden · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You clearly haven't been hanging out with the same people I have. It seems that every person between 14 and 30 is caught up in phones - what theirs can do, what yours can't, and new/shiny. Hell from what I've seen in the last 3 years or so teenage and early 20's girls get as geeky over their phones as geeks do over their computers.

      A friend of my sisters was out with us a while back - overall a pretty superficial girl. Not bright about most things, and works in one of those trendy shops where they sell bath oils and the like. Somebody said something about their phone and my God she took off. Whipping out her phone showing what it could do - and not just "OMG it can do interwebs!" talk. Discussing various input methods, which phones did what better and how, connectivity, the works. It would be what you would expect if some clueless noob said something in passing about the GPL around a Linux geek - just about phones. She has been the most extreme of this I found, but certainly not the only one. The nation as a whole (well, the younger crowd anyways) is in love with the smartphone right now.

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    6. Re:Invite only? by FurrBear · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't "Invite Only" the way Google handles all of their public Betas?

    7. Re:Invite only? by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bingo. You responded almost exactly as I was going to.

      Its like cars. In the late 1800's/early 1900's having a car by itself was a status symbol. Then everybody got them. HOWEVER, 100 years later with millions of cars on the road rich guys still like to flaunt their Porsche's, Maserati's and Aston Martin's, and you'd be crazy to think that those cars aren't status symbols, even if they ARE quite a bit more capable than your average Kia.

      Today, everyone has a phone, but individual models certainly are status symbols.

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    8. Re:Invite only? by thePsychologist · · Score: 5, Informative

      The _buying_ of the phone is not invite only. That's just the special event to unveil it. It's in the article.

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    9. Re:Invite only? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's a very interesting point I hadn't considered until now.

      The invite system may be yet another way that Google collects information useful to them in selling advertising, etc... they can identify "power brokers" in tech marketing, which would be valuable information to advertisers (and to their internal marketing).

      Yech.

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  2. So by jimbobborg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Who got invited? Whoopi Goldberg? Or one of the celebs on the T-Mobile Android ads?

    And $530 for an unlocked phone that will last about three years? Really?

    1. Re:So by bberens · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've ranted about this plenty of times on slashdot. There is no such program in the US. You can buy a "pay as you go" phone but the cost/minute is generally higher than the contract plans. Bringing your own phone to the deal only grants you the freedom to not sign a contract for a *normal* monthly plan. There is no discount whatsoever.

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    2. Re:So by b0bby · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, it seems T-mobile is doing just that now - "Even More" is their standard subsidized phones + 2 year contract deal, "Even More Plus" is the same plans but no "free" phones or contracts & $10/month less. Maybe the other carriers will follow if T-mobile starts getting people to switch because of this.

      OTOH, if you want T-mobile & a Google phone, it makes more sense to pay the extra $10/month to get the subsidized phone, because the amount of subsidy (($530-$180)/24) is almost $15/month.

    3. Re:So by Undead+Waffle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Last I heard all of the US carriers were requiring the data plan if you had a smart phone. Any word on whether the "Even More Plus" plan does this? Again, last time I looked into it AT&T would detect the smart phone on their network regardless of whether it was bought separately and add the $30/month data plan to your bill for you. Any carrier that lets me bring my own smart phone without requiring me to pay $30 for an internet connection I'll barely ever use has a good chance of getting my business next time my contract expires.

  3. A little more competition is a good thing by DJRumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can only hope this brings down the cost of these phones. The prices are already greater than the cost of netbooks and bargain laptops/desktops. I realize that miniaturization is a factor, but we really need more strong competitors in this area. I would much prefer a non-subsidized phone except the price is a little daunting all in one lump sum.

    1. Re:A little more competition is a good thing by pclminion · · Score: 2, Informative

      The lump sum does suck. I've been using T-Mobile for about 10 years, and haven't really had anything to complain about, but I still hate the contract. I was poking around their online phone store and saw that they are now offering financing for the newer touchscreens with NO CONTRACT, which is pretty nice. It works out to about $20 a month, and it's 0% APR. I was going to take the plunge, but then I saw that the Nexus was coming out any day now. So maybe I'll wait and see if they offer a similar financing deal for the Nexus.

    2. Re:A little more competition is a good thing by Seor+Jojoba · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just buy it with a credit card. And pay the debt off at $20/month or whatever is convenient. You'll be better off in the long run, because we'll get the carriers to start competing as big dumb pipes. The emphasis will be on coverage/speed for the buck, instead of some wacky chase after the latest "It" phone. We should all stop being scared off by upfront costs and letting phone carriers handle our financing through subsidies.

    3. Re:A little more competition is a good thing by DJRumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think these smart phones have gone far beyond being an 'It' phone. This isn't some hot item that one quickly loses interest in within a few weeks. I bought my first smart phone (an iPhone) a few years ago. I still use it heavily. Having the internet in your pocket is a huge convenience for all sorts of circumstances. The apps are just icing. I use mine 5 times a week at the gym, I look up prices, I check release dates for movies, music, and media, all while I'm out and about. These have real purpose far beyond just being an accessory to one's clothes.

      They are essentially a mini-pc in your pocket, and I hardly need to extol the benefits of a PC to this crowd ;)

    4. Re:A little more competition is a good thing by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Note there are smartphones in the low end too (e.g., the Nokia 5800 I got without contract at £180).

  4. No thanks by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

    Those wanting to buy the handset subsidized will pay $180 and have to sign up for a two year contract. There appears to be only one plan available for these customers, and that is the T-Mobile Even More Individual 500 Plan, which gives you 500 minutes, free weekend and in-network calls and unlimited SMS, MMS and data. That bring the total cost over two years to $2,100.

    The unsubsidized price + a data plan is vastly cheaper

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    1. Re:No thanks by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My whole family gets unlimited messages, data, and 700 minutes with myfaves (two blackberries and a generic nokia) for a little less than twice that.

      Then again they are targeting the young male "I have less sense than money" demographic.

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    2. Re:No thanks by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Remember that you have to buy the more expensive smartphone data plans for this phone - usually $30 per month for just the data portion.

      The subsidised plan is $80 a month when you take away the price of the phone, so the unsub plan would need to be less than $65 per month to make it cheaper. That's a tough one to get where I live, but it is possible. It's not "vastly cheaper" though. To look at it another way, you need to save at least $15 on the monthly bill to do better with the unsubbed phone. If you're saving $20-25 per month, then you're getting into the "vastly cheaper" area. If you can get a deal like that, I'm extremely jealous regardless of the phone.

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    3. Re:No thanks by DrEldarion · · Score: 2, Informative

      I pay $55/mo for my smartphone data plan + voice on T-Mobile. I do have the most basic voice plan available, but it's definitely there for well cheaper than $80/mo.

  5. Subsidy lock? by alecto · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If someone buys the phone with the subsidy then subsequently leaves T-mo and pays the ETF, will T-mo unlock the phone? Also, is the ETF prorated? In any case, it seems that the combination of a cheap phone for voice and a netbook/laptop + WiFi or if ubiquitous access is necessary a data stick are a better deal for the money.

  6. This is just FUD by walruz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've seen this post on many other sites, all referencing to the gizmodo link, which is a mockup of the page which is supposed to be the actual page offering the phone. No confirmation, no real data, no journalism.. just plain old FUD.

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    1. Re:This is just FUD by signingis · · Score: 5, Informative

      "just plain old FUD."

      You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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  7. whining about prices by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Like all the other smartphones in recent memory, they cost a fortune if you're an early adopter. If you don't want to get mugged then just wait a couple of months for the hoopla to die down. Your old phone won't stop working in the interim if you don't have the latest whizbang handset the day after its release.

  8. prices? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Finally, an unlocked smartphone! But what is the cheapest voice+data plan you could use it with? Will it be possible to use it with a pre-pay carrier, like Virgin Mobile?

    I don't talk much, and I'm rarely far from a real computer, but I would love to have the ability to get on the web from a smartphone available to me.

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    1. Re:prices? by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you go pure VOIP then you can get data-only plans for $40 per month.

    2. Re:prices? by jabbathewocket · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are unlocked smartphones all over the place? this is not new.. but you cannot use virgin mobile or any of the other sprint wannabe phone companies in the states for it.. as they dont offer data.. You will basically have to goto tmobile, and buy a data only plan on flexpay (no contract prepaid, essentially you can pick any plan t-mobile offers and have it where you pay first, then use minutes versus the more standard postpay market in the states) You can also buy any phone tmobile offers on this unsubsidized plan TODAY if you want (and if your credit is good they will even finance the hardware for you)

    3. Re:prices? by Seor+Jojoba · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The funny thing is that T-Mobile offers a pretty decent plan with 3G data for $50/month which would be my first choice. But if you buy the subsidized phone, you get the spendy $80/month plan which doesn't really have good value to warrant the extra cost, IMO. Difference seems to be just more minutes and unlimited SMSs. So I could see buying the unsubsidized phone, and just getting the cheaper T-Mobile data plan separately.

      Also, T-Mobile is one of the major carriers that refused to turn over customer information to US officials without a warrant. And they got KZJ, who is much sexier than the "Can You Hear Me Now" guy.

  9. Smart move by copponex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Good move from a marketing standpoint. They pick out users who are more likely to be technologically savvy, and those users won't flood the internet with complaints like "TEH PHONE DOSNT WORK W/ITUNES... WOULD NOT BY AGAIN"

    By the time it launches widely, there will be some very interesting projects they can show off. I'm waiting to see what if there will be an SDK and what kind of access users will have to the phone. Hopefully it will be wide open.

    1. Re:Smart move by beeverteeth · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, there will be an SDK... Android SDK :rolleyes:

    2. Re:Smart move by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm waiting to see what if there will be an SDK and what kind of access users will have to the phone. Hopefully it will be wide open.

      You started off well but then you went here and jumped on the fail boat.

      It will be the Android OS/SDK and already has loads of apps out as Android has been out awhile.

  10. Very disappointing by ekool · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are a lot of disappointed people over @ nexusoneforum.net with regards to the pricing. It sounds to me like Google lost alot of good will with such a high unsubsidized price.
     
    Discussion here: Nexus One Pricing Discussion

    1. Re:Very disappointing by iamhassi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "It sounds to me like Google lost alot of good will with such a high unsubsidized price."

      They lost me. After many, many stories about free google cell phones supported by ads how can anyone not be disappointed by the $500 price?

      I really don't see how Google thinks they'll sell any. $500+ is a huge bite, and $180 puts it in competition with $199 iPhone 3GS, so if you're deciding between the iPhone and Nexus price really isn't a factor. Couple that with 126,000+ iPhone apps vs 20,000 Android apps and the fact many Android apps don't run on lower-end Android phones doesn't inspire someone to purchase a Android phone.

      Google seems to be shooting themselves in the foot, it would take a phone with lots of developer support to topple the iPhone. Only way to get developers is to show them the $$$$ like the iPhone does. Google needs to get the developers paid and make them millionaires like the iPhone does

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    2. Re:Very disappointing by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I do not understand. You're complaining that Google doesn't have some magic fairy dust to sprinkle over the phone so that it costs half as much all of a sudden?

      From what I can see, the prices are competitive, and match the established level for smartphones of this caliber. What else do you want?

    3. Re:Very disappointing by mrlpz · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can see the commercials with Luke Wilson now.... iPhone Luke is eating lunch while using his iPhone to tweet. "nexus" Luke tries to steal a french fry from iPhone Luke. And iPhone Luke bats his hand away saying, "Hey, why don't you buy some for yourself !". Then "nexus" Luke (sad-faced) says, "But I spent all my money on this....android....phone".

    4. Re:Very disappointing by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Access to applications. For the same price you get access to 5x more apps on Apple

      How many of those are actually "IAmRich" lookalikes? It has been pointed out many times that iPhone application count is grossly overstated because of things like RSS reader applications dedicated to reading one particular feed (with hardcoded URL), each reader counting as a separate app...

  11. Re:No keyboard = do not want by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why? The touchscreen buttons are so much easier.

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  12. Expected price by irp · · Score: 2, Informative

    In Denmark, an unlocked HTC Hero costs ~620 USD. (including the Danish 25% VAT).

    Most people I know (myself included) buy phones unlocked (because my (current/prefered) phone company don't sell phones - but I like their simple "~10 USD/month for up to 1GB" data plan).

    Using the "US to Danish price" conversion (multiply by 1.25, add some) it will cost around 670-700 USD in Denmark (of course payed in DKK).

    The price does not surprise me. I am planning to replace my phone ½ year from now (then my current phone will have survived 2+ years). It will probably be an Android based, in that price range.

    For comparison, in Denmark, an iPhone (unlocked 3GS/32GB) costs ~1100 USD.

  13. GSM + Google by ground.zero.612 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sweet! A decrypted protocol with an OS by a company that doesn't care about your privacy... Where do I sign up???

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  14. Re:Only if it has Google Voice by DragonTHC · · Score: 2, Insightful

    there's already a google voice app in the market. I think you're asking if it will use google voice over IP.

    If it allows GV via voip, w/ 3g we might all jump at the chance.

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  15. Nokia N900 by kurt555gs · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can buy an N900 for $569.00. As long as you are going to drop that kind of change, why would you limit yourself to an Android fone?

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    1. Re:Nokia N900 by InlawBiker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The N900 is $469 at Buy.com right now with a rebate. I think the N900 is a superior device to just about everything out there right now, but the key deciding factor will be which OS has more support. For the plain old consumer market Android is going to appeal to more people.

  16. Re:No keyboard = do not want by Nadaka · · Score: 2, Interesting

    hell yes, and I want a hand crank and one of those cups on a wire to put up to my ear. I don't think I understand, can I get a horse and buggy analogy?

  17. Re:CDMA? by caladine · · Score: 4, Informative

    Like another poster says in reply to this, there's a lot you've gotten wrong here. You seem to have your technologies confused.

    • AMPS (the original analog cell) is first gen.
    • Next came GSM, a 2G technology
    • CDMA rolled around first in the IS-95 standard, also 2G.
    • GSM folks upgraded with GPRS (and later EDGE) making 2.5G networks
    • CDMA2000 is a family of 3-3.5G technologies (1x, 1xEVDO/revA/revB)
    • GSM people realized that CDMA > TDMA when they got together to make WCDMA (also called UMTS). From a simple view, UMTS is CDMA, but using a 5 MHz frequency band, rather than the ~1.25 MHz band that CMDA uses. There's more to it, of course.
    • 3.5G networks use UMTS + HSPA/HSPA+. Not that there are really many networks that use anything more than the 3.6Mbps HSPA. (which, incidentally isn't much faster than EVDOrA @ 3.1 Mbps)
    • 4G is LTE and WiMax (sort of).

    The only reason that smartphones make more sense at the moment on GSM/UMTS networks has nothing to do with the technology involved, but the economics. There are a lot more people on GSM/UMTS networks than CDMA, mostly due to the fact that CDMA was a late comer to the cell phone game. My guess is that the CDMA follow-on will come later in the year.

  18. Re:No keyboard = do not want by natehoy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dial? What is this dial of which you speak?

    Oh, you mean "dial" as in "push buttons". How quaint.

    I use a bluetooth headset, and just press the button and read off the numbers I want to call (assuming it's for someone not in my phone book).

    I get three benefits out of this:

    1. Everyone around me sees what an Important Person I am, and thinks, "wow, someone that technologically forward and yet tastelessly rude must be important." Many of the females obviously think "and I must mate with him immediately!" but sadly I live in a prudish area, so they just look at me with longing, pass into a slight faint where their eyes roll back in their head, then glare because they are angry they can't have sex with me right away.

    2. I get to announce to everyone in earshot what number I am trying to call. I just know everyone wants to know that. It's important.

    3. When the phone misunderstands the number I meant to dial, complete strangers have the pleasure of speaking to me, albeit briefly. Most of them understand the value of my time and, once they realize it's me, they remind me that I have important things to do and end the call.

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  19. In what way is an Android phone more limiting? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can buy an N900 for $569.00. As long as you are going to drop that kind of change, why would you limit yourself to an Android fone?

    I would turn that around and ask why on earth you would buy anything with a dead-end OS, when you could buy a fully programmable Android device that you can buy a lot more applications for.

    The Nokia is nice to use but that's as far as it goes, overall it is not nearly as useful just based on application availability alone.

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    1. Re:In what way is an Android phone more limiting? by Microlith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      anything with a dead-end OS

      So a Linux-based device using X that supports both Qt and GTK2 toolkits is somehow a dead-end OS?

      a fully programmable Android device

      If and only if you root the thing. I would be surprised, seeing as how it is (optionally) subsidized by T-Mobile, if the Nexus One did not also require being rooted.

      buy a lot more applications

      All the applications I really need are available under the GPL already, and can be ported to the N900 with far less effort than it would take to port them to the iPhone or Android. Unless you are suggesting that only software you have to pay for is worthwhile.

  20. Re:CDMA? by iron-kurton · · Score: 2, Interesting

    True, but from my understanding there are only four bands that cover the majority of the world. So, if the phones are quad-band GSM phones (which is the most likely scenario), you will still have greater potential market than just with a CDMA phone. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad-band). This also means you don't have to fiddle with the onboard radio either.

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  21. If apostrophe's were status symbol's ... by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    rich guys still like to flaunt their Porsche's, Maserati's and Aston Martin's

    ... you'd be flaunting your's like there's no tomorrow.

  22. Re:T-mobile? Seriously? by Leebert · · Score: 2, Informative

    AT&T's woes are from being overused in the big cities.

    Sorry, but that's only part of it. It's also a complete lack of reasonable coverage outside of cities. There's a map for that...

  23. Re:CDMA? MOD PARENT DOWN by DrDitto · · Score: 2, Informative

    You don't know what you are talking about. Variants of IS-95 CDMA (the original 2G CDMA) are widely used in China, Korea, and elsewhere. In China, CDMA phones even have SIM cards. All 3G technologies (EV-DO, UMTS, HSPDA, etc.) use CDMA signaling technology because it is more spectrum efficient.