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Antarctic's First Plane, Found In Ice

Arvisp writes "In 1912 Australian explorer Douglas Mawson planned to fly over the southern pole. His lost plane has now been found. The plane – the first off the Vickers production line in Britain – was built in 1911, only eight years after the Wright brothers executed the first powered flight. For the past three years, a team of Australian explorers has been engaged in a fruitless search for the aircraft, last seen in 1975. Then on Friday, a carpenter with the team, Mark Farrell, struck gold: wandering along the icy shore near the team's camp, he noticed large fragments of metal sitting among the rocks, just a few inches beneath the water."

110 comments

  1. I claim the movie rights by suso · · Score: 4, Funny

    And inside they found a pipe in a keg of gun powder that had a pipe with clues that mean that there is a treasure map on the back of the Declaration of Independence.

    1. Re:I claim the movie rights by MistrBlank · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'll claim rights on a second story and write the one that has the pilot still sitting in the cockpit with his chest blown out. And several miles below the ice surface there's a temple that's a home to aliens that another alien race comes in to exterminate after the expedition team frees them.

    2. Re:I claim the movie rights by Narpak · · Score: 1

      I'll claim rights on a second story and write the one that has the pilot still sitting in the cockpit with his chest blown out.

      How about something original. Like a story about how its not a plane but an alien spacecraft carrying an extraterrestrial shapechanging parasite that begins killing off staff at a Antarctica research base.

    3. Re:I claim the movie rights by Arancaytar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, they found traces of an ancient race of tentacled aliens that were ultimately responsible for creating us. Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!

    4. Re:I claim the movie rights by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, they found traces of an ancient race of tentacled aliens that were ultimately responsible for creating us. Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!

      So, you're saying I should not have fried up that batch of giant calamari?

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    5. Re:I claim the movie rights by sayno2quat · · Score: 2, Funny

      You would have been fine, except you didn't post anonymously.

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  2. Cue the pissing contest by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have a funny feeling this "Antarctic's First Plane" thing started when an American dared point out that the first plane to fly in Antarctica was the "Stars and Stripes" (built by the legendary Sherman Farchild, and one of his pioneering aerial surveys). Then, as is always the case when an American dares claim a "first" in anything, hundreds of Europeans, Canadians, Australians, etc. with inferiority complexes immediately rushed out and found an obscure case of someone *shipping* a plane to Antarctica before this (which never actually flew), so they could once again show those big-shot Americans that their dicks were bigger.

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    1. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      And Americans, always wanting to show they have the biggest dicks, must bitch about the idea of the "Antarctic's First Plane" by stating it's not "Antarctic's First Flight".

    2. Re:Cue the pissing contest by fremsley471 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This European is always astonished how Alcock and Brown's achievement of 1919 is so overshadowed by Lindbergh's 1927 flight. Perhaps that's one of the sources of resentment that lead to 'pissing contests'?

    3. Re:Cue the pissing contest by nschubach · · Score: 3, Funny

      We get tired of the competition between Ohio and North Carolina for the origin vs. actually flying the first plane so we have to look elsewhere to pick fights.

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    4. Re:Cue the pissing contest by elrous0 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Which is exactly why we should end this "first" bullshit in the first place (no pun intended). The fact is that most great accomplishments in history are the result of the hard work of a lot of people working together, on the backbone of the work of generations of predecessors, spurned by the occasional advances of individual brilliant minds, and rarely limited to any one country. Both the Australian plane and the American one were built on the work of the Wright Brothers, whose three-axis control innovation was also dependent on decades of glider innovations an developments in the internal combustion engine needed to build an actual working plane (developments which spanned the continents).

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    5. Re:Cue the pissing contest by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Would you feel better if we parsed it with "between America and *mainland* Europe"?

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    6. Re:Cue the pissing contest by heck · · Score: 3, Interesting
      This European is always astonished how Alcock and Brown's achievement of 1919 is so overshadowed by Lindbergh's 1927 flight. Perhaps that's one of the sources of resentment that lead to 'pissing contests'?

      Because Lindbergh was the first to do it solo

      And Alcock and Brown weren't the first to make the flight over the Atlantic, although they were the first to do a non-stop. The crew of the NC-4 did it first (but they used more than one aircraft) Alcock and Brown did have balls - climbing out on the wings to chip off the ice as they flew.

    7. Re:Cue the pissing contest by fremsley471 · · Score: 1

      So who was the first to fly from mainland America to mainland Europe? Lindbergh took off from the island of Manhattan... :)

      When we get to ideas of 'mainland' or 'solo' into events rather than simply crossing a vast ocean, well, where do we stop? When the first person arrives on the moon solo, and one looks forward to that hell of an achievement, will they upstage Armstrong and Aldrin?

    8. Re:Cue the pissing contest by nschubach · · Score: 1

      If we get rid of "firsts", patents would be pointless, recognition would be negligible, and China would probably take over the world... or whoever has the cheapest labor. That would start a spiral that we probably don't want to be a part of. "Firsts" inspire people to compete, giving us all better things.

      (This is, of course, my armchair economics with no real backing...)

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    9. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Which is exactly why we should end this "first" bullshit in the first place.

      First Post!

    10. Re:Cue the pissing contest by bigdavex · · Score: 1

      An Aussie first flew across Pacific; I'd think that should be sufficient for bragging rights.

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    11. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      This American is also.

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    12. Re:Cue the pissing contest by fooslacker · · Score: 1

      I think the American argument would be it doesn't count if you crash land in a bog at the end...even if you don't die. Still chipping ice off manually in flight is pretty damn impressive.

    13. Re:Cue the pissing contest by clemdoc · · Score: 1

      A pissing contest around the south pole? Who's the first to freeze off his b*lls?

    14. Re:Cue the pissing contest by cawpin · · Score: 1

      calling the flyer from wright brothers the first plane when it required a machine to aid it's launch is bad, it's like claiming you build the first car but it worked only on a downhill road.

      So I guess all those things that get chucked off of aircraft carriers aren't planes either then?

    15. Re:Cue the pissing contest by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      So who was the first to fly from mainland America to mainland Europe? Lindbergh took off from the island of Manhattan... :)

      Although still on an island, Roosevelt Field was on Long Island, not Manhattan.

    16. Re:Cue the pissing contest by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and also like the big retarded kid, piss him off too much and he will beat the dogshit out of you.

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    17. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      so they could once again show those big-shot Americans that their dicks were bigger. Us big-shot Americans don't need to be shown that our dicks are bigger; we already know!

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    18. Re:Cue the pissing contest by soapdog · · Score: 1

      well... can they take off on their own given enough distance? They are only chucked off because the air craft carrier is not long enough for them to achieve the speed they need, they can take off fine from an airstrip, so they are airplanes that don't require catapults... now, put wright brothers "the flyer" on a airstrip with no wind and tell it to take off, it won't happen.

      By the way, the 1903 flight of wright brothers was contested by one of the witnessess, the telegraph operator said that on that day the plane only glided and their patent shows their plane to contain no motor, so without motors, can it take off? NO! it is a gliding plane, good for soaring, not an airplane since it can't take off, fly and land on it's own. Now, the 14-bis could take off, fly and land on its own two years before the wrigt brothers perfected their plane.

      Before complaining, use some common sense, those fighters launched with catapults from aircraft carriers are full aircrafts that don't require that gizmo. The flyer is just a glider.

      americans think they need to invent everything... I feel sad for them.

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    19. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True enough. However, this can also be easily avoided by pointing anywhere we don't like and shouting either "terrorist", "child porn", "illegal downloading", or any of the other magic words, and point at anywhere we don't like.

      Amusingly enough, pointing straight back at the USA seems to work quite well.

    20. Re:Cue the pissing contest by AmigaMMC · · Score: 1

      Except that in 1912 Americans were pretty much mostly Europeans. And I don't recall American Indians flying over Antarctica

    21. Re:Cue the pissing contest by AmigaMMC · · Score: 1

      I have the biggest dick so you can pretty much end it here :)

    22. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      well... can they take off on their own given enough distance? They are only chucked off because the air craft carrier is not long enough for them to achieve the speed they need, they can take off fine from an airstrip, so they are airplanes that don't require catapults... now, put wright brothers "the flyer" on a airstrip with no wind and tell it to take off, it won't happen.

      Why does it matter? Since when does the definition of airplane include the mandatory condition that it be able to take off under its own power? You said it yourself -- they are airplanes that don't require catapults. That is not synonymous with "airplane".

      If an F-14 had all the capabilities it has in reality once in the air, but required a catapult, would you say it's not an airplane?

      Large military cargo airplanes, the kind that transport tanks, require rocket boosters to actually take off when fully loaded. Are they not airplanes? Or only when empty?

      Is Spaceship One not a rocket plane because it is launched from the White Knight carrier?

      Before complaining, use some common sense, those fighters launched with catapults from aircraft carriers are full aircrafts that don't require that gizmo. The flyer is just a glider.

      Uh... Common Sense says that a glider is something that does not fly under its own power. The definition (common sense and otherwise) of "gliding" is "unpowered flight". The Wright Flyer, once airborne, flew under its own power. Ergo it is obviously not a glider.

      It was an airplane that required assistance to take off. It was an airplane with a significant technological limitation. That does not mean it was not an airplane.

      americans think they need to invent everything... I feel sad for them.

      Maybe, but that doesn't excuse you trying to undo a legitimate case with this terrible logic. Americans did invent some things, trying to prove that was never the case is equally sad.

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    23. Re:Cue the pissing contest by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

      Still considered mainland America though since its a barrier island, unlike say Hawaii.

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    24. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Why, pray, do US-Americans then (at least in your view) constantly claim "first this!" and "first that!"? That arguably seems like the more compelling evidence for an inferiority complex: constantly inventing new reasons why you are better than everyone else.

      2) If these claims actually do turn out to be false, why is it not justified for others to point this out? Obscure or not, if you claim "first X!" and someone else then mentions that Y actually predates X so X wasn't the first $FOOBAR after all, that's hardly the second person's fault.

      I agree it's silly to discuss the first plane in Antarctica, no matter whether it flew or not. But since you (the US-Americans) are the ones who started it, I don't think you should complain.

    25. Re:Cue the pissing contest by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Which is exactly why we should end this "first" bullshit in the first place

      Yes, and Europe did it first! ~

    26. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Grishnakh · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You do realize that the Wright Brothers' plane was not the first airplane invented, right? There were other airplanes before them, which successfully flew (I think some of them were French). The problem was, the earlier planes took off, flew in a straight line some distance, and crashed. The Wright Brothers' plane was the first to master turning. Only an idiot would claim the WB invented the first airplane; what they invented was the first airplane that could actually maneuver.

    27. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next time you get a hitler over there, we'll let him kick your ass hard. you owe your very life to us.

      You'd be speaking german or Russian (more likely they would have over everything.)

      Stupid europeans, forget who saves their ass at every war.

    28. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      americans think they need to invent everything... I feel sad for them.

      We Americans also invented pity, so stop trying to use our own inventions against us.

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    29. Re:Cue the pissing contest by soapdog · · Score: 1

      That is a good case and we can agree that in 1908 the thing could maneuver well. Now, go ask joe six pack who invented the first airplane and guess what will his answer be.

      The Flyer was a capable glider, but still, claiming it as first airplane as the most americans do is silly. Heck Santos Dummont even won the prize for making the first dirigible that could be actually controlled, which he took to circle the eiffel tower, still we don't claim he invented the dirigibles.

      If the americans claimed that "hey, wright brothers invented the first glider that could do figures of eight", that would be fine and an achivement, what pisses us off is that people claim they invented the frecking airplane!!!

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    30. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Why, pray, do US-Americans then (at least in your view) constantly claim "first this!" and "first that!"?

      Because the silly reactions of you non-Americans are priceless to us. You should have seen your face!

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    31. Re:Cue the pissing contest by barzok · · Score: 1

      Manhattan is an island too.

    32. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Again, the Flyer was powered with a gasoline engine IIRC. A powered heavier-than-air machine is an "airplane", not a "glider". It doesn't matter if it requires ground-based infrastructure to launch. So yes, they invented the first airplane that could do figures of eight.

      As for Joe Sixpack, he's a moron who probably also believes the Earth is 6500 years old and that Sarah Palin would be a good President even though she thinks Africa is a country (or, he's a moron who thinks Barack Obama is a great President who's going to keep his union job secure). What he thinks about who invented the first airplane is irrelevant to anyone with an education.

    33. Re:Cue the pissing contest by jc42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You do realize that the Wright Brothers' plane was not the first airplane invented, right? ... The Wright Brothers' plane was the first to master turning. Only an idiot would claim the WB invented the first airplane; ...

      Actually, arguments like this are really just an artifact of the common desire to reduce everything to a bumper-sticker-like slogan. The reality is, as usual, that "the airplane" wasn't invented out of nothing by some single person or team. The real story is more interesting. Powered flight was the result of a century or so of development, in which a large number of people scattered around the globe (but mostly in North America and Europe ;-) figured out parts of the puzzle, learned from each other, built things that did something slightly better than before, etc. Finally, in the early decades of the 20th century, they managed to build flying things that were actually practical transport tools.

      But any decent history of flight will list a lot of people and their achievements. The Wright brothers' achievement is yet another case of "standing on the shoulders of giants". Any claim that "the airplane" was invented by one person/team at one place is utterly bogus.

      Of course, one of the first things to be transported by air in quantity were bombs, as we might expect from briefly skimming the history of human technology.

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    34. Re:Cue the pissing contest by MrFrank · · Score: 1

      That's not what your wife told me. Sorry couldn't resist, but neither could she.

    35. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading comprehension ftw.

    36. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Any claim that "the airplane" was invented by one person/team at one place is utterly bogus.

      Exactly. The Wrights only invented a way of bending the wings to enable controlled maneuvering. Other people had already invented propellers, the basic wing shape, etc.

      The thing I think is really bogus, however, is the State of Ohio constantly trying to claim they're "first in flight" (like on the new quarters), just because the Wright Brothers, and some astronauts, were born there. Big deal. That just shows that Ohio sucks, since the Wrights had to move all the way to North Carolina to find a place suitable for testing and developing their airplane. Is this the only thing in their history that that stupid state can find to claim as an achievement? That some famous people were born there, and then left for other places to do their interesting and historical work? Absolutely pathetic.

    37. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      No Autopilots back then. Difficult plane to fly as well. A solo crossing was in fact much more difficult than a team crossing. If you can't figure that out then I will just believe that you have figured it out (since no one can possibly be that fucking stupid) and have decided to ignore that fact so you can be a true anti American.

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    38. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so they could once again show those big-shot Americans that their dicks were bigger. Us big-shot Americans don't need to be shown that our dicks are bigger; we already know!

      History is a long series of pissing matches over who is the biggest dick.

    39. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Damn - no karma.

      Somehow the "solo" bit was missed by the GP.

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    40. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Not modern history! Now, what was that about the new Burj Dubai/Burj Khalifa tower opening again? Do you think Mr. Khalifa is maybe compensating for something?

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    41. Re:Cue the pissing contest by blitz487 · · Score: 1

      The Wright brothers had 5 major innovations that set them apart: 1. A propellor design that was 90% efficient rather than 50% 2. Wing warping for roll control 3. Rudder attached to the wing warping for controlled turns, solving the adverse yaw problem 4. Innovative balance in the wind tunnel, used the wind tunnel to design the airfoil, as all existing data proved to be wrong by a factor of 2 5. Lightweight gasoline engine The Wrights also engaged in an organized, step-by-step method of development, and carefully documented each step. Modern aircraft design can be traced directly back to the Flyer, and no other claimants. This is all in stark contrast to other claimants to first flight.

    42. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it was not french exactly. It was a playboy from brazil who used to live in paris.

    43. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      Absolutely a "writing your name in the snow" contest

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    44. Re:Cue the pissing contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Everybody in the whole world knows that the US not only has the biggest dicks but more of them than anyone else.

      Oh you're talking about male anatomy? Who cares about that?

  3. The Independent is a little dishonest here by Suki+I · · Score: 5, Informative
    A few paragraphs down in TFA:

    Mawson had hoped to stage the first flight over the Antarctic ice cap, but the plane crashed on the Australian mainland before he set sail. No one was hurt, but with the wings damaged and no time to repair them, the explorer adapted the craft to haul his sledges, adding skis to the undercarriage and a special tail-rudder.

    It was an airplane before being loaded on the boat, then it was just a cool looking tug.

    1. Re:The Independent is a little dishonest here by aqk · · Score: 1, Funny

      A few paragraphs down in TFA:

      Mawson had hoped to stage the first flight over the Antarctic ice cap, but the plane crashed on the Australian mainland before he set sail. No one was hurt, but with the wings damaged and no time to repair them, the explorer adapted the craft to haul his sledges, adding skis to the undercarriage and a special tail-rudder.

      It was an airplane before being loaded on the boat, then it was just a cool looking tug.

      Umm... before you go any deeper...

      CANADA INVENTED THE SNOWMOBILE.
      Take THAT, Mr. Big-Dick!

  4. press release by Nick+Number · · Score: 2, Funny

    A spokesman for the team discovering the aircraft issued a short statement, consisting solely of

    "Tekeli-li! Tekeli-li!"

    ...in an Australian accent.

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  5. It was made of gold? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Then on Friday, a carpenter with the team, Mark Farrell, struck gold: wandering along the icy shore near the team's camp, he noticed large fragments of metal sitting among the rocks, just a few inches beneath the water."

    The plane was made of gold? I guess they don't build 'em like they used to, huh?

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    1. Re:It was made of gold? by nschubach · · Score: 1

      Well it's no wonder it couldn't fly. You'd be better off with a lead balloon given the density and weight of gold!

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    2. Re:It was made of gold? by jittles · · Score: 1

      The plane was made of gold? I guess they don't build 'em like they used to, huh?

      At the time gold was the most suitable material for the airframe. It was prized both for its strength and weight characteristics. That is, of course, until nuclear fission was discovered. Then the uranium airframe became a no brainer.

    3. Re:It was made of gold? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Mawson was also Antarctica's first pimp.

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    4. Re:It was made of gold? by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      If you don't find the above funny then you're kind of dense.

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    5. Re:It was made of gold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although Gold is denser, it is significantly stronger than lead, so you can use a thinner sheet which would actually be lighter.

    6. Re:It was made of gold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facepalm

  6. really ? by mewt · · Score: 0

    Any lucky survivors ? :O OH no he didnt!

  7. Right, we're already drowning in "piss" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually no one was doing anything of the sort until you decided to start the pissing.

    1. Re:Right, we're already drowning in "piss" by pwfffff · · Score: 1

      Um, excuse me? Everyone knows Americans were the first to piss. You jealous or something?

  8. The famous Miskatonic Antarctic Survey found by minginqunt · · Score: 3, Funny

    I hope you're all preparing to welcome our new Shuggoth overlords.

    I suspect I, for one, will.

  9. please be seated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We are currently awaiting the loading of our compliment of small, lemon-soaked paper napkins for your comfort, refreshment, and hygiene during the flight, which will be of two hours duration. Meanwhile we thank you for your patience. The cabin crew will shortly be serving coffee and biscuits again.

  10. Does anything ever leave Antarctica? by wandazulu · · Score: 1

    Does equipment ever leave Antarctica? I mean, okay, he left the plane behind, sure, because he didn't need it anymore; does that happen still today? What I mean is, when a building or camp is abandoned, or when a tractor or plane breaks down in an irreparable way, is there any attempt to remove it, or do they just abandon it in place, let the wind and snow take its course, and leave it to archeologists years hence to rediscover it?

    It would seem that Antarctica could be, among other things, a pretty cool junkyard. But a junkyard nonetheless.

    1. Re:Does anything ever leave Antarctica? by nschubach · · Score: 1

      Just wait for a future civilization to dig up all that crap and assume that we either lived in the coldest parts of Earth or Earth rotated and killed us off.

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    2. Re:Does anything ever leave Antarctica? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would seem that Antarctica could be, among other things, a pretty cool junkyard. But a junkyard nonetheless.

      Your vast insight on this matter is appreciated. :)

    3. Re:Does anything ever leave Antarctica? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The Antarctic Treaty means pretty much everything that can possibly be cleaned up is cleaned up. Things that can't be cleaned up shouldn't even be done.

    4. Re:Does anything ever leave Antarctica? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does equipment ever leave Antarctica?

      There's a huge difference between how exploration in Antarctica is done now and how it was done by the early explorers. Now permits and much justification is required to leave anything behind. Single drops of fuel are cleaned up and the contaminated snow removed. However, there are still crashes. If a equipment can be recovered it is repaired and flown out. Sometimes crashes are impossible to get to. They were unable to recover all the bodies from Flight 901, so it should be no surprise the air structure is still on Mr Erebus.

      The Antarctic treaty requires huge respect for the wild life. Without permits you are not allowed to interfere with the animals. The early explorers hunted them for food.

      As far as Antarctica being a junkyard, that image is pretty funny. The place is huge. Huge and empty. The locations where man made artifacts have been left are a few dozen points on the map with huge uncontaminated areas between them.

  11. just be careful... by catbertscousin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Take some dogs with you when you drill, and if they start going nuts about any large, plant-like objects you find, leave them alone!
    Also listen for strange piping sounds in the wind.

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    1. Re:just be careful... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is this a reference to? Sounds cool.

  12. Where else would they find it? by theJML · · Score: 1

    I mean, seriously, that title is kinda pointless. If it never left the Antarctic, there's a darn good chance it's 'In Ice'. It would have been more newsworthy if it was found somewhere else.

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  13. Never flew on the Antarctic by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can you call a plane that never flew on the Antarctic the first plane on the Antarctic?
    Because in that case I'm going to build the first hover-car on Earth.

    1. Re:Never flew on the Antarctic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      key word is ON the antarctic

    2. Re:Never flew on the Antarctic by Prien715 · · Score: 1

      Did it work on the moon?

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  14. I guess we can thank global warming by zorro-z · · Score: 2, Funny

    It does seem as if the melting of Antarctic ice is what revealed the long-lost plane. Global warming, anyone?

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    1. Re:I guess we can thank global warming by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It was still sitting on the ice when he returned in 1929 and 1931, and in 1975 it was photographed after a big ice melt.

      Abandoned in 1914, it was still visible at least until 1931. Between then and 1975 or so it was covered in ice but after "a big ice melt it", was visible again. And now, it is barely visible as it is covered in ice again.

      Hardly evidence that can be used to support global warming.

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    2. Re:I guess we can thank global warming by thedudethedude · · Score: 1

      about as credible as the other arguments I've heard

    3. Re:I guess we can thank global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmmm...Let's see....

      It was sitting on ice when he left it......

      Found on the ice today........

      OH, it's got to be global warming!

      Come on, it wasn't at the bottom of the ocean!

    4. Re:I guess we can thank global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet another one who doesn't know the difference between weather, season, and climate.

      If you haven't seen good evidence for *climate* change, you haven't looked. Yet, assuming that melts only happen due to climate is silly. Anyone with even the slightest introduction to climate science can tell you the difference. Ice melts happen on the periphery of Antarctica every summer. Yes, it's summer down there right now. It's only evidence for a change in climate if it can be proven to be far larger than anything that has ever happened before, or if it persists for decades.

      Now, a big melt at the *south pole* might be news. You do know the difference between the Antarctic coast and the south pole, right?

    5. Re:I guess we can thank global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's only evidence for a change in climate if it can be proven to be far larger than anything that has ever happened before, or if it persists for decades."

      So then...you FAIL.

    6. Re:I guess we can thank global warming by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      Hardly evidence that can be used to refute global warming either.

    7. Re:I guess we can thank global warming by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      Yet another one who doesn't know the difference between weather, season, and climate.

      That's easy. Climate is what you expect, weather is what you get. Seasons are Spring, Summer, Football, and Mud.

      (att:RAH)

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    8. Re:I guess we can thank global warming by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Did I saw it refuted it? Oh, that's right...I didn't.

      Of course, it's not up to anyone to refute it, but it is up to someone to prove it.

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  15. Why did nobody find it, in all those years? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let me guess: It hid in plane site! ^^

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  16. story error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It appears Mawson did not fly over the south pole he flew into the south pole.

  17. Antarctic or Antarctia, that is the question! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The antarctic continent is fine. But the Antarctic? Shouldn't it be Antarctica?

  18. Predator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just be carefull of any weapons, maybe you would find an allien warrior base

  19. Ahem by argStyopa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since they have found the plane, that then means that the search really wasn't 'fruitless', was it?

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  20. Nimrod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Punchline: Nimrod Expedition. Create your own jokes.

  21. How about a stupid photo? by maven_johnson · · Score: 1

    What kind of article of this kind doesn't include some interesting photos? I'm enraged! I have no interest in READING about this stupid plane!

    1. Re:How about a stupid photo? by rantingkitten · · Score: 1

      Wait, so do you want a stupid photo or an interesting one? Make up your mind.

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  22. RTFA by mangu · · Score: 1

    Hardly evidence that can be used to support global warming.

    TFA says: "exposed by a blue moon (the second full moon in a calendar month), the lowest tide ever recorded at that site and an unprecedented melting of ice".

    Tell me again how an unprecedented melting of ice could not be an evidence of global warming?

    1. Re:RTFA by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Since it was visible in 1975, the melting evidently was not unprecedented.

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  23. RTFA, again! by mangu · · Score: 1

    Since it was visible in 1975, the melting evidently was not unprecedented.

    From another paragraph in TFA: "in 1975 it was photographed after a big ice melt"

    So, the ice melt in 1975 was big. The current ice melt is unprecedented, which means obviously bigger than the one in 1975.

    You know, the plural of anecdote is not data and we are talking about a single point here. But even then this can be interpreted as evidence of global warming.

    1. Re:RTFA, again! by sycodon · · Score: 1

      I see, because the author uses the word "Big" for 1975 and then "Unprecedented" for now, that is interpreted as evidence of global warming.

      The standards of scientific proof have gotten pretty low these days.

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    2. Re:RTFA, again! by mangu · · Score: 1

      that is interpreted as evidence of global warming

      No, it was you who tried to turn an otherwise unrelated story into evidence against global warming. I just showed how illogical your trolling was.

      If you want evidence for global warming you can just google it.

    3. Re:RTFA, again! by sycodon · · Score: 1

      RTFP:
      "Hardly evidence that can be used to support global warming"

      That is not a statement against global warming.

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  24. Denialist TROLL by mangu · · Score: 1

    Did I saw it refuted it? Oh, that's right...I didn't.

    Then why did you mention it? The least one can say is that your comment was off topic.

  25. Main base - Ohio by geek2k5 · · Score: 1

    The Wright Brothers were based in Ohio when they started the experiments that lead to the flights at Kitty Hawk. They frequently returned to Ohio to do additional research. Kitty Hawk was 'just' the place that had the right conditions to test their theories because they were pushing the limits of technology at the time.

    In 1904, after the Kitty Hawk flights, they improved on the design, with Flyer II and Flyer III. Those were flown out of a base in Ohio. These flights were measured in minutes and miles as opposed to the seconds and feet of the Kitty Hawk flights.

    Sure they left Ohio to do the 'first' powered flights. But they returned to Ohio to improve upon that 'first' and accomplish a whole bunch of other firsts.

  26. X-Prize by geek2k5 · · Score: 1

    Alcock and Brown flew from Newfoundland to Ireland in 1919. According to the specs from "The Daily Mail", "the aviator who shall first cross the Atlantic in an aeroplane in flight from any point in the United States of America, Canada or Newfoundland and any point in Great Britain or Ireland" in 72 continuous hours" would win the ten thousand pound prize.

    Alcock and Brown did it non-stop. But a couple of weeks earlier an American airplane, the NC-4, was the first to cross the Atlantic under its own power. It took 19 days and multiple stops to do it though.

    The Orteig Prize, the one Lindbergh won, required a non-stop flight from New York to Paris (Or vice versa). This was a longer flight than the Alcock-Brown flight, which landed in a bog in Ireland. Lindbergh had a lot more publicity for his landing since he landed at an airport. Some sources say that 150,000 spectators stormed the airfield where Lindbergh landed.

    If you think about it, having the 'right' publicity can make a big difference in the history books. You could say that's why Columbus gets the credit for 'discovering' America as opposed to the Vikings, St. Brendan, or the original immigrants heading over the Bering Strait.

  27. Orteig Prize - Solo not a requirement by geek2k5 · · Score: 1

    Doing it solo wasn't a requirement of the Orteig Prize. The fact that he was able to go from a New York airfield to a Paris airfield was the big thing. It showed that transatlantic flight from one major destination to another was possible.

    Several well known aviators, with tri-engine planes and multiple person air crews had attempted it but failed, sometimes fatally. Lindbergh, a relative unknown, did it solo, with a single engine monoplane.

  28. Mgosh !!! The headlines Algore was right by FragHARD · · Score: 1

    This find was due to the melting glaciers... the planet is doomed.... unless you are warmblooded ;)

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  29. Photo of aircraft on the ice by Rangataua · · Score: 1

    Here is photo taken in 1911 of the aircraft on the ice: http://www.flickr.com/photos/statelibraryofnsw/2866625141/ (other commenter's have already mentioned how the aircraft came to be wingless).