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Nexus One Name Irks Philip K. Dick's Estate

RevWaldo writes "According to the Wall Street Journal, the estate of Philip K. Dick says the name of Google's new smartphone infringes on the famous character name from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?. Isa Dick Hackett, a daughter of Mr. Dick, states Google has its 'Android system, and now they are naming a phone "Nexus One." It's not lost on the people who are somewhat familiar with this novel... Our legal team is dealing head-on with this.'"

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  1. I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by eldavojohn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I read about this almost a month ago in the New York Times blogs and must point out one very important detail (to me at least) about this case that was not present in The Wall Street Journal article: Google applied for a trademark on "NEXUS ONE". Now it's not even assigned to an examining attorney yet but come on. You can 'borrow' something from a novel but if you're going to be making money, hand over fist, with it you should probably get permission. And then on top of that you go after the trademark since Dick never did?

    Even Motorola had the wherewithal to kindly ask Lucas before using Droid as a name for their phone because 'droid' is a registered trademark of Lucasfilm Ltd. You would think the least amount of courtesy Google could do is not apply for a trademark out of respect of where they borrowed 'nexus one' from. And if Google's afraid that someone will just use that name to profit off of their device then they should just find another name instead of borrowing from a novel (deflating the argument of "they have no choice, they have to trademark everything they do"). I'm hoping that this is some Google executive not realizing that 'nexus one' is a reference to a Philip K. Dick android but now it looks more like them toeing the line of what they could use and then completely running off with it.

    If they were just using the name, I'd consider this a nice homage or nod to the late great Philip K. Dick. But since they're applying for a trademark it's just a dick move.

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    1. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Tomun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The same name can be held as a trademark by different entities if the usages don't conflict.

      I see no problem here.

    2. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, the headline should read - Google rips off Dick.

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    3. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Bottles · · Score: 5, Funny

      Longest first post evar?!

      You type fast. Very fast. Too fast, perhaps. That makes me suspicious.

      Can you look into this Voight-Kampff machine, please, and tell me only the good things about your mother?

    4. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by mike260 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The flame that burns +1, Funny burns -1, Long.
      And you have burned so very, very +1, Funny Bottles.

    5. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Rysc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's still a homage. Not having a trademark on the name of a consumer electronics device is just plain stupid, business-wise. I don't think that sales of the book will be harmed by this, nor do I expect that there will be any confusion over which is which. In a good society with good laws there's no way the Dick estate would be able to get a dime or force any change based on this. Nobody asks for permission from Karel apek or his estate before calling something a robot, even though it's a clear reference, and I don't see why this should be any different.

      The case of Droid is very different in that there really was an existing trademark and, though it would likely be legal use the name in another field, it's always (legally) safer to get permission.

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    6. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by dunkelfalke · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yep, here is a fine example of it

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    7. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Aranykai · · Score: 4, Informative

      If they didn't trademark it, there would be hundreds of Chinese made rip-offs in months. You clearly don't understand how trademarks work.

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    8. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by the_fat_kid · · Score: 3, Funny

      "let me tell you about my mother..."

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    9. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 2, Funny

      As is, there still will be, but they'll call it the "Neck Suss Won" just to cover their asses legally. Or because of extremely bad translation...

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    10. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by MountainMan101 · · Score: 3, Funny

      These aren't the Droids you're looking for.

    11. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by khallow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't see the problem. There is no trademark by the Dick estate. There is no copyright or trademark infringement by Google even if Nexus One had been trademarked. And it cheeses off little people such as yourself and the parasites feeding off of the Dick estate. There's no downside.

    12. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Sockatume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dick wasn't even using it as a trademark, to boot - it wasn't the title of a novel.

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    13. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I see two problems, one is greed and the other is the brain damage the lawyers must have incurred in not recognizing the simple fact you stated.
      That, or they know about it and their greed feeds off the greed of the PKD silverspoons.

      If not, I'll start googling every cool word combination I've ever used online and start demand royalties. Knowing a bit about authorship, PKD probably shat them out on an assembly line and would put the spoiled brats he left behind over his knee if he found out about this, if for nothing else than their lack of imagination.

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    14. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It depends on what they registered the trademark for. You don't register a trademark and then it's good for everything. You have to select usages and the more you pick the more it costs.

      Philip K Dick did not invent the term Android or even Nexus. The name Nexus One may be a nod towards Nexus 6 but they aren't the same and one is for a mobile phone and one is a fictional character.

      I don't side with them because for starters its not the creator that's complaining. It's his lecherous kids who are just being greedy. They see the Android platform taking off, they're used to getting money for doing nothing (thanks to daddy) so they think they're owed a piece of Google's business.

    15. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Pedrito · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't think that sales of the book will be harmed by this, nor do I expect that there will be any confusion over which is which.

      Well, you're wrong. I'm never buying or reading the book now. It can't be anywhere near as good as the phone.

    16. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by patSPLAT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Authors and Publishers (and their estates) prefer their homages to be paid with $$$. Since they aren't Silicon Valley startups publicity doesn't have the same value.

    17. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's a real product by Rösch Company: Linux. Micro&Soft For some reason, I would call toilet paper "Micro&Soft" :-P

    18. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now I know why "You're a Dick" is such an insult.

      In the first place, these people shouldn't even be able to hold copyright (maybe... are these Dicks American?). The constitution says congress can grant a limited time monopoly to authors and inventors. NOT their heirs.

      In the second place, you can't copyright a name. I should write a story with characters from all the books of dead authors whose greedy estates want copyright on them, and let these Dicks sue me.

      I'm... I can't think of the proper adjective. "Annoyed" is close. If Dick were alive then yes, out of courtesy Google should have asked him if it was ok, but not had a legal obligation to. His heirs? What a bunch of Dicks. Let them write some books. Copyright is supposed to promote the useful arts. How is a dead Dick supposed to write any more books?

    19. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by ShinmaWa · · Score: 4, Informative

      True, but it's not even the same name. The book refers to the replicants as "Nexus-6" models. This is the "Nexus One" phone.

      Would an average person think that the estate of Philip K. Dick endorses the phone based on that? Highly, highly unlikely.

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    20. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by elocinanna · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Hey you should really read this book" "Nah I'm waiting for the phone to come out"

    21. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Aranykai · · Score: 2, Informative

      Trademark, not copyright. Copyright protects ideas, methods and invention. Trademark protects product names, product appearances and slogans used in advertising said product.

      Copyright is established automatically, trademark must be registered for a fee.

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    22. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by bcmm · · Score: 2, Informative

      See also: Ubuntu Cola.

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    23. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Rikiji7 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      there's also osx!

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    24. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by neowolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is really stupid. If anything, it might renew interest in a relatively obscure (for younger people) book. Now, it will just result in backlash as people will refuse to buy anything from Dick now. The estate has no real legal ground to stand on, and has now shot itself in the foot. Bravo!

    25. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by itsdapead · · Score: 5, Funny

      Even Motorola had the wherewithal to kindly ask Lucas before using Droid as a name for their phone because 'droid' is a registered trademark of Lucasfilm Ltd.

      The clue is in the part of your own post starting "because" - even then, its debatable as to whether that trademark would apply to anything other than plush R2D2 toys.

      Google applied for a trademark on "NEXUS ONE" [uspto.gov].

      Yup - "Nexus 1". Not "Nexus 6". Its a dictionary word and a number. I Googled for "Nexus" and get the Tyne and Wear public transportation system, a Christian music school, a dating agency, a production company and a sponsored link to Amazon leading to a whole bunch of rather pornographic looking novels. No Dick (at least of the Philip K variety).

      Now, if Google had jumped straight to "Nexus 6", launched an ad campaign featuring Rutger Hauer, and offered a free lead codpiece or a $100 mail-in rebate on a genuine goat, there might have been a case.

      (Push your eyeballs out through your ears? There's an App for that!)

      Where do you suppose it should stop? Should Red Hat need Paramount's permission for "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" - or Nokia for the "Nokia Communicator"? Is "Heroes" ripping off Neal Stevenson by having a character punnily named "Hiro"?

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    26. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by digitig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not sure the estate has shot itself in the foot. If people didn't already know the book they wouldn't have known the reference, so it wouldn't have renewed interest in the book. Now they are much more likely to become aware of the book, and the extra publicity is likely to far outweigh any boycott. If (as seems likely to me, but IANAL) the estate has no legal ground, who cares? This wasn't necessarily about winning the case.

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    27. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Canazza · · Score: 2, Informative

      US Robotics named themselves after the Fictional Company (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Robotics , and also the foreword to one of Asimov's books. I think it was 'The Complete Robot')

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    28. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by apostrophesemicolon · · Score: 5, Funny

      If this goes to court, Google would better win, or else we'll be treated to a headline "Google pays Dick wads".

    29. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The book refers to several of the Nexus series, although the main focus is on the latest generation. Oh, and the book doesn't call them replicants at all, that term was invented by the movie. The book calls them androids or andys.

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    30. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, trademarks do not need to be registered, just claimed. If you register a trademark (in the US) then you have some extra protections, but this does not apply in a lot of other jurisdictions.

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    31. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Sockatume · · Score: 2, Informative

      A quick perusal of the USPTO database suggests otherwise. A title is a mark, which is used in trade to associate a product with a commercial entity: whether's it's Windows and Microsoft or Rainbow Six and Tom Clancy is irrelevant.

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    32. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by corbettw · · Score: 3, Funny

      The Chinese will probably translate "Nexus" to mean "connection point" and then mangle that to "post" in the sense of a post in a fence; "one" will then be translated as "first".

      So yeah, look for the First Post phone to come out in about six months.

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    33. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Svartalf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, the word "robot" may well have been first coined in a play written by Karl Capeck in 1927, in Russums Universal Robots (or R.U.R.)- even though Russum's robots would be more along the lines of the "androids" in Dick's story.

      Nobody, not even Dick, asked around to see if they needed permission from Capek for that stuff.

      Mainly because they didn't NEED it.

      Heh... It's even more entertaining what they're doing here...

      A TESS search, while not 100% conclusive, shows 41 differing uses of the word "Android" as a trademark or part thereof, with the first usage, though dead, going back to 1959, registered in 1962 as a branding of a medicine from the Brown Pharmaceutical Company- from the TESS database entry on it:

      IC 005. US 018. G & S: COMBINATION OF TESTOSTERONE, THYROID, GLUTAMIC ACID AND THIAMINE HCI IN TABLET FORM. FIRST USE: 19590400. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19591100

      Google seems to be the only registrant for "Nexus One"- but all THAT really is would be a combining of two common words to represent a branding of a phone. From Dictionary.com:

      nexus /nkss/ :
      –noun, plural nexuses, nexus.
      1. a means of connection; tie; link.
      2. a connected series or group.
      3. the core or center, as of a matter or situation.
      4. Cell Biology. a specialized area of the cell membrane involved in intercellular communication and adhesion.

      one /'wuhn'/ :

      –noun
      10. the first and lowest whole number, being a cardinal number; unity.
      11. a symbol of this number, as 1 or I.
      12. a single person or thing: If only problems would come one at a time!
      13. a die face or a domino face having one pip.
      14. a one-dollar bill: to change a five-dollar bill for five ones.
      15. (initial capital letter) Neoplatonism. the ultimate reality, seen as a central source of being by whose emanations all entities, spiritual and corporeal, have their existence, the corporeal ones containing the fewest of the emanations.

      Simply put, there's really little to nothing for the Dick Estate to "protect" here- and I question the wisdom of the same to allow a batch of lawyers make themselves look the fool at their expense.

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    34. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, "You're a Harlan Ellison" would be a MUCH worse insult. I'm just surprised Mr. Sue-Happy hasn't gotten in with his own lawsuit, claiming that the cellphone was his idea, from one of his crappy TV scripts in the 60's.

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    35. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Entrope · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Trademark law is intended to protect consumers against confusion about, or misrepresentation of, the origin or endorsement of a product or service. Except for fanciful marks, trademark law tends to separate fields of endeavor, so that (for example) an arbitrary or suggestive trademark for film media does not clash with the same word used as an arbitrary or suggestive trademark for tax preparation services.

      PKD's estate has a long row to hoe in arguing that consumers might confuse Dick's name for a kind of humanoid robot with Google's name for a kind of mobile phone. This is especially true because those who are familiar with the former are more likely to be well-informed about the provenance of, and who has (or hasn't) endorsed, the latter.

    36. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would call toilet paper "Micro&Soft" :-P

      The same could be called for a certain part of your body.

      My wife posts on slashdot now? Damn!

    37. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Nadaka · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except that trademarks must be registered, this was not.
      And trademarks only apply to a particular use, a fiction book vs a smart phone are not sufficiently similar to apply.

    38. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by pydev · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But a novels and phones are entirely different product categories. Therefore, no confusion is possible, and the novel and the phone can co-exist even if both are trademarks.

      Furthermore, Nexus One and Nexus-6 are distinct. You don't get the trademark for one just because you have the trademark for the other.

    39. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by udoschuermann · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Google Beats Dick" has a nice sound to it, namely that of a million slashdotters fapping.

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    40. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Nexus7 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't bother suing me, I've got nothing.

    41. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Evil+Shabazz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Plus it would seem there are 6 others to go after before we get to you, anyway. ;)

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    42. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by $lashdot · · Score: 4, Informative

      their greed feeds off the greed of the PKD silverspoons.

      I think that if you'd bother to read about his life you'll find that PKD kids were not "silver spoons." In his lifetime, Dick won awards but was plagued by financial difficulties. Only one film based on a work of his was ever greenlighted during his lifetime, and he died four months before it was released. The financial success of PKD works is all post-mortem, and is largely the result of his estate successfully licensing his works as his works have become marketable later on.

      In other words, the heirs you criticize were not born with silver spoons in their mouths; they were born to a writer who was unknown outside of the science fiction community, who hadn't had mainstream success, and took loans from other writers just to get by. His children did not grow up in wealth, living off a successful, creative father who sent them to boarding school, etc. It is because there have been films since Blade Runner, that the works of PKD have enjoyed success outside of the pages of science fiction magazines.

      This doesn't make the PKD heirs' lawsuit right in this case, but you can't put them in the same boat as say the heirs of the Walt and Roy O. Disney, both of whom were ridiculously financially successful within their own lifetime and were able to pass on that fortune to their children, such as the late Roy E. Disney.

    43. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by nedwidek · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well they shouldn't have needed to based on the movie having "droids". They still would have been smart to do so because Lucas is rather litigious. But, Lucas apparently also abuses trademark law.

      A quick look in TESS shows:

      Word Mark: DROID
      Goods and Services: IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Wireless communications devices, including, mobile phones, cell phones, hand held devices and personal digital assistants, accessories and parts therefor, and related computer software and wireless telecommunications programs; mobile digital electronic devices for the sending and receiving of telephone calls, electronic mail, and other digital data, for use as a digital format audio player, and for use as a handheld computer, electronic organizer, electronic notepad, and digital camera; downloadable ring tones and screen savers; cameras, pagers and calling cards

      IC 038. US 100 101 104. G & S: Communication services, namely, transmission of voice, audio, visual images and data by telecommunications networks, wireless communication networks, the Internet, information services networks and data networks; wireless communications services
      Mark Drawing Code: (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
      Serial Number: 77845682
      Filing Date: October 9, 2009
      Current Filing Basis: 1B
      Original Filing Basis: 1B
      Owner: (APPLICANT) Lucasfilm Ltd. CORPORATION CALIFORNIA P.O. Box 29901 San Francisco CALIFORNIA 94129

      Yes, Lucas certainly does business with the Droid word mark in those goods and services categories. But for Motorola a license is much cheaper than lawyering up against someone like Lucas.

      Plus I love the application date.

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    44. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by pelrun · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, I think "Google rips off Dick heirs" works even better.

    45. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Totenglocke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Then there's also the tech company Cyberdyne, which was named after the company in Terminator. I don't see anyone complaining about that.

      The words "android" and "nexus" are so ingrained in pop culture (well, for sci-fi stuff anyways) that you don't have to have ever read anything by PKD or even know he exists and you'll know the words if you're a nerd / geek. The PKD estate doesn't have an actual case and it's just another sad tale of kids, grandchildren, and great grandchildren wanting to sue anyone and everyone to collect money for work that their ancestors did instead of getting a damn job for themselves.

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    46. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Catiline · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Part of the reason I work is to try to make sure my kids are reasonably well set-up in life. .... If they couldn't inherit those benefits then I'd do something easier for less pay.

      Fabulous, except that outside of the "creative industry" fields (music, literature, and movies), you stop "working" when you die and no longer reap new income. Are you stating that unless you produce the types of creative works I list above, your estate cannot benefit after your death? (Say, from financial investments you made during your lifetime.)

      I'm not stating that copyright terms should end with the author's life, but I have a very hard time seeing any cogent argument for allowing this one field of endeavor to enriching the heirs of producers when no other field gets similar benefits, even ones equally "creative" like scientific discovery.

    47. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by raddan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, another example is the Domino Sugar trademark infringement suit against Domino's Pizza. The court found in favor of Domino's Pizza (i.e., not infringing). And this was a case of two food products. The key test is whether the same name use is "likely to cause confusion, or to cause mistake, or to deceive." If a court thinks there's little chance of confusing pizza and sugar, I think Google has a pretty good chance that someone won't confuse a fictional book character and a telephone.

    48. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Following this logic, my understanding would be that since a book has universal reach, anything in it can be defended without a proper trade mark file in the US. Or am I eating my foot here?

      You'd be eating your foot there, the trademark for a book would be its title, not anything in its content.

      The best the author can claim here is copyright infringement, which is obviously not the case.

      Seriously, what ever happened to good old fashioned flattery? One of the most well known tech companies in the world is using your character names to sell its product, I mean come on! That's awesome!

      It's not like the guy was going to market a cell phone or mobile operating system any time soon. That happens to be all the Google trademarks apply to.

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    49. Re:I Actually Side with Dick's Estate by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However registered trademarks trump unregistered trademarks every time.

      Plus there is no common market here, so there is no infringement. It's certainly not copyright infringement either.

      What the hell ever happened to plain old flattery? Why does everything have to be an insult and a grievance? It's an obvious homage to Dick's work, why not accept it as such?

      People are way too money hungry and lawsuit-happy these days, it's pathetic.

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  2. I think we all know what she really means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Give me free money!

  3. Seriously though... by RedMountain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a freaking WORD. It comes from the DICTIONARY.

    1. Re:Seriously though... by vagabond_gr · · Score: 2, Informative

      So is "apple", would you name your new phone like that?

      Trademarks is all about registering common words for business purposes. And it makes some sense (at least much more than patents or copyright).

    2. Re:Seriously though... by loftwyr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No but Apple is a trademark in the computer hardware arena. "Nexus-6" is a fictional android in one book and movie,

      I have a strong suspicion that the developers would have little to no idea that Nexus (centerpoint) One (first) was anything but how they felt about a phone. I think the PKD estate is groping for money and this suit, if it materializes, will be laughed out of court.

    3. Re:Seriously though... by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Informative

      So is "apple", would you name your new phone like that?

      No, but I might name a brand of beach towels Apple, or ski boots, and what exactly would Apple Inc. or Apple Corps Ltd (remember them?) do about it?

      Trademarks is all about registering common words for specific business purposes.

      There, fixed that for you. To clarify, and I'll type this really slowly to make it easy for you to understand: a novel is not a phone.

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    4. Re:Seriously though... by Rockoon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have a strong suspicion that the developers would have little to no idea that Nexus (centerpoint) One (first) was anything but how they felt about a phone.

      Until you factor in that they also got their Android, which in combination is definitely suspiciously like they are deliberately naming things based on the book.

      Each in isolation are fairly innocent. But together, they indicate intent.

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    5. Re:Seriously though... by 2short · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Oh, I think intent is obvious. They clearly intend to say the work of PKD is cool and they like it. But doing that does not require the permission of his heirs under any legal system I am aware of nor any moral framework I would accept.

      Indirectly referencing the famous works of others isn't something you need their permission for.

  4. Too Far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This has gone way too far, in two ways. One, we are not talking about a book, we are talking about a WORD. Two, Philip's heirs should not earn ongoing profits from work done by Philip a generation ago. Has their income incentivized them to produce anything noteworthy themselves? I think not; in direct contradiction to the whole point of congress's authority to assign limited monopolies.

    Google should do two things. The should fight this in the courts, but much more importantly, they should use their considerable resources and clout to lobby congress to update the legal framework such that it encourages, rather than hinders, innovation in the sciences and the useful arts. Congress, elected by the people, has the last word on this one.

  5. It is generic word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
  6. Estate by alewar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Philip Dick has been dead for more than 20 years, time for his family to stop parasitizing on his success.

    1. Re:Estate by imakemusic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What? I don't get paid for the work my father did. Why should I? He did the work, not me. I get paid for the work that I am enabled to do by the education he was fortunate enough to be able to provide me.

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    2. Re:Estate by cheesybagel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We used to have people like this. They used to be called nobility. They were perceived as parasites by the general population, even though they actually had an obligation to provide their ass for military defense in case of war. Which is more than the Phillip K Dick estate does for sure.

    3. Re:Estate by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By continuing to operate the family is still providing new services. Collecting royalties from a book written half a century ago creates nothing new at all and is nothing more than rent seeking behavior.

      American IP law was originally designed to allow for a limited amount of rent seeking as an incentive for authors and inventors to create new writings and inventions. Allowing heirs to sit on this "property" indefinitely does not surve this purpose.

    4. Re:Estate by clifyt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Allowing heirs to sit on this "property" indefinitely does not surve this purpose."

      Why not? I have a friend that died a few years ago, and one of the last things he did was to finish a large work who's real purpose wasn't to cement his status in history but because the work was so well noted that while he was actively dying, he was able to negotiate a MUCH better contract so his children could be properly taken care of.

      I know he would have rather spent more time with his kids than working, but their long term wellbeing was much more important to him. Disagree with what might have been more important for his kids or not, but the fact that the law sided with him was the entire reason he wrote the last work. And as such, it most certainly served the purposes as intended.

  7. Obligatory comment on copyright by bradley13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Given that he has been dead for 28 years, his works should be in the public domain. Then there would be no dispute.

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    1. Re:Obligatory comment on copyright by EyelessFade · · Score: 3, Informative

      Indeed, the copyright laws of today is just insane.

    2. Re:Obligatory comment on copyright by exa · · Score: 2, Informative

      I wonder if Isa is good in bed. Because whenever I'm reading Dick, I'll feel like I'm effing her from now on.

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  8. In this post I now copyright... by Mystery00 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm now copyrighting NEXUS TWO, NEXUS THREE and NEXUS FOUR by using these in my post.

    When Google brings out next generations of its phone, I'll sue them and become rich!

    You gotta think ahead.

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    1. Re:In this post I now copyright... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Everybody knows that the Nexus series will only take off with nexus-6 which will be virtually indistinguishable from an iPhone and contain DRM!

    2. Re:In this post I now copyright... by cerberusss · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm now copyrighting NEXUS TWO, NEXUS THREE and NEXUS FOUR by using these in my post.

      You idiot. Google of course sticks to the One True Versioning Scheme: the Naked Gun versioning scheme. The next version will be the:
      Google Nexus 2 1/2
      Google Nexus 33 1/3

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  9. Fascinating moderation by bradley13 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Some copyright attorney must be reading /.

    As of a few seconds ago there were 30 replies, of which four or five said that the heirs should no longer be profiting from the copyrights, since Philip K. Dick is long dead. All of those posts have been marked "troll".

    Would our budding copyright attorney like to explain this? Guess what: "troll" is not a substitute for "disagree".

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    1. Re:Fascinating moderation by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 2, Funny

      Coastguard.

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    2. Re:Fascinating moderation by briareus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The meta meta mods, of course!

  10. This is shameful by genmax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The people on whom the connection is not lost, would see this as a tribute from Google to Philip K. Dick. It would be sad if this sort of unbridled greed on the part of some discourages companies and people from expressing their admiration for the contributions of others.

    I do not have a problem with an author's children trying to assert their legal rights --- but this would've been as wrong if the author himself had talked about suing. There is really no reason, legal or otherwise, for Google to be paying money to the Dick foundation. Trademark laws do not apply here. And, does anyone think the name is going to "help" Nexus / Android sales ? Or that there will be people who will buy the nexus thinking it is a Dick novel ? Is Google really profiting or abusing Dick's IP ? Are book sales going to be affected ?

  11. Another infringing greedy corporation? by Master_Mahan · · Score: 2, Informative

    They should be suing the Star Trek franchise as well for using the term Nexus in Generations. They obviously made MILLIONS from that movie...

    1. Re:Another infringing greedy corporation? by itsdapead · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They should be suing the Star Trek franchise as well for using the term Nexus in Generations.

      They'd have to stand in line behind the estate of E.E. "Doc" Smith who, on that basis, should be owed something for "tractor beam" (and probably other space-opera jargon).

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  12. Good luck by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think they're going to have a hard time making that case since so few people will make the connection. Dick is not one of those authors whose works are so familiar to the general public that there is likely to be any mental connection between the average person visiting a T-Mobile store and thinking about buying an Android phone and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep.

  13. do they choose the name 'dick' intentionally by unity100 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    for, they sure know how to behave like one as a family.

    ah and, fuck trademarks. with this stupid mindset, in 50 years time we will run out of words and phrases to name things. and, given the possibility of infringing on someone's 'rights', we will probably be start refraining from using those words during ordinary talks in daily life.

    this has to stop before it gets to that point.

  14. In related news... by spywhere · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...Isaac Asimov's bloated corpse is suing over the Japanese robot named Asimo.

    1. Re:In related news... by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Funny

      Asimov left a widow. And when the fifth generation of Asimo (Asimo V) comes out, will she have a case?

  15. Corporate Darwinism by zuki · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Without wanting to add too much to the anti-copyright vituperations, has anyone considered how difficult it must truly be for a lawyer sensing a great case such as this one, with hundreds of billable hours (regardless of the outcome) to refrain themselves from telling their clients that serving papers to one of the planet's largest corporate behemoths is the only option, when in reality they pretty much know that they are guaranteed to lose the case but will still manage to milk the estate for plenty of money by going that route, and that this will be the closest they'll ever come to being 'cool with the in crowd' ?

    How Darwinian! In that sense,they are taking the role of parasite, which as we all know is necessary for the ecosystem to function properly.

  16. Conversely... by elocinanna · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If Google loses they could sue the dictionaries for including their trademark! http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/GOOGLE

  17. How about this... by RevWaldo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Free digital copy of "Blade Runner" with every Nexus One (director's cut, of course). Google gets to demo the phones' video chops and gets the coolness cred, PKD's heirs get a chunk of the royalties. Win-win.

  18. Fuck the estate by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Bunch of god damn parasites. PKD is DEAD. In my view that leaves his work should be public domain. Is that the law? No, the law presently favours the leeches, the parasites, the lawyers. I'm no big fan of Google as a company, but I say "go for it, Google". Fuck these people. PKD is dead. None of the people involved had anything to do with his writing or work or creativity. They are leeches existing at the pig trough of Imaginary Property rights. In a more just society they would be burned as devils.

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  19. Re:What's in a name... by JSBiff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suspect this may be about generating publicity for the novel. Sort of a 'reverse Streisand effect' - draw attention to what you want to promote by threatening legal action. Yes, it risks backlash, but it also generates a lot more media coverage than 'positive publicity' would. I mean, do you think /. would have posted a story called "Dick estate says honored to be recognized by Google"? Slashdot *might* have, but I bet *this* story (about a threatened lawsuit) gets to CNN, Fox, NBC, ABC, NYT, Wa. Post, etc, and I'm sure that even *if* the other news outlets gave any coverage to a 'positive publicity' story at all, it would be buried in a very minor blurb or headline scroller at the bottom of the TV newscast, where it wouldn't have gotten much attention from hardly anyone.

    Because of this story, a lot more people will know that Google named their phone after a character in that novel, and some of them may get curious and decide to buy a copy (or at least inquire at their public library, who might need to buy additional copies to deal with a sudden increase in people trying to check out that novel [or to replace lost or stolen copies]).

  20. Hooray for Rent Seeking! by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 2

    Why produce something new youeself when you can extort from those who are?

  21. I'm with Google on this by RingDev · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Dick's estate doesn't have a trademark on "Nexus One". So it doesn't matter if people "get them confused". The estate has copy rights over the books. Google would not be able to reproduce that book with out the estate's permission. But in this case, Google isn't reproducing their book, they aren't copying the protected material. So there is no infringement.

    Unless you are arguing that every proper noun ever used in any copy right protected creation is also protected against trademarks.

    -Rick

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    1. Re:I'm with Google on this by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2, Funny

      The "Recycle Bin" was a more "PC" term.

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  22. Playing Devil's Advocate... by Late+Adopter · · Score: 3, Informative

    Those posts are *certainly* (-1, Offtopic), given that the copyright status is irrelevant to determining a trademark dispute. Even if others should be able to sell Dick's works, that doesn't mean the original rightsholder would stop, and therefore a potential trademark dispute would be just as relevant (the merits of such a dispute aside).

    Taking it a step further, since those posts aren't on topic in the first place, trying to bring them up in a forum where you know many people already have a strong interest and emotional association with the current state of copyright, such a comment elicits attention, distracting from the original discussion. That's trolling, although almost certainly unintentional.

  23. Planned Obselenscence by mattOzan · · Score: 4, Funny

    You won't even be allowed to possess the sixth version of this Nexus phone on the planet Earth. It will only be for use in the off-world colonies.

    Special Verizon squads have orders to destroy, upon detection, any Nexus Six phone. This is called "retirement," and is not covered under warranty.