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YouTube Hints At Support For Free/Open Formats With HTML5
shadowmage13 writes "After the recent post about YouTube, so many votes were put in for HTML5 using Free and Open formats that Google has already cleared them all out (to make space for others) and issued an official response (requires Google login): 'We've heard a lot of feedback around supporting HTML5 and are working hard to meet your request, so stay tuned. We'll be following up when we have more information. We're answering this idea now because there are so many similar HTML5 ideas and we want to give other ideas a chance to be seen.' Now all the top ideas are concerning copyright and DMCA abuse."
What's a more polite way to say, "be more like Vimeo"?
because if it doesn't, using it will be a mistake.
If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
It will be interesting to see if Google would use On2's compression technique on YouTube.
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Youtube is pretty much the only reason I need Flash. If it was possible to watch Youtube videos without plugins it would be great. No more choppiness or Flash using 100% CPU. Playing some videos from internet shouldn't be rocket surgery so this is really about time. Flash seems almost purposefully bad on Linux.
How about timed comments showing up on the page like NicoNico Douga and also live streaming with live comments like ustream?
... you're telling me that I finally got Flash working on my 64-bit Ubuntu box for nothing??? (Admittedly, it wasn't really that difficult) To be honest though, it doesn't really matter for me since YouTube is still blocked in China, but it would be nice to see if this prompts the many streaming sites in China to embrace an open-standard such as this, but that will never happen since everyone continues to use IE6 here and I'm betting that IE will never implement HTML5 until it's long past finished...sooooo another 15 years before IE used HTML5? Bets anyone?
VP 4 has higher compression ratio than VP 3.
VP 6 reportedly has 50% more compression than VP 4.
According to ON2's site, they are saying that VP 8 achieves 40% more compression than VP 6, with much less noise.
Of course I take all those claim with a grain of salt. Let's half the claims, then.
VP 6 achieves 25% more compression than VP 4.
VP 8 achieves 20% more compression than VP 6.
Which means VP 8 is at least 50% better than VP 4, which is in itself better than VP 3 / Ogg Theora.
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Actually UStream's chat is just regular old IRC. Seriously. /server c.ustream.tv and then /nick [username]:[password] and you're in business. Of course it's only UStream... livestream, justin.tv and pretty much everyone else are still using crappy proprietary chat interfaces as far as I can tell.
Of course Youtube moving away from Flash won't kill that abomination on the web anyway. Live video is becoming a lot more popular and Flash is by far the easiest way to make it happen right now. It's also pretty cheap---at least until MPEG-LA cranks up the price for streaming H.264 content in 2011.
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4) Google and youtube are large enough to make companies reconsider about hardware support.
I am not certain how good you can pour Theora into silicon, but I seem to remember easy hardware decoding (i.e. not using much silicon real estate) was one of the goals.
Richard
PS: Ogg is a container, Theora is the actual video codec
PPS: _If_ they do it, do it right. Use Theora in a MKV
If you use zsh:
youplayer () {
mplayer "http://youtube.com/get_video?"${${${"$(wget -o/dev/null -O- "${1}" | grep -e watch_fullscreen)"}##*watch_fullscreen\?}%%\&fs=*}
}
If not:
youplayer() {
mplayer $(youtube-dl -g $1)
}
Another chance for them to redeem themselves and do some not evil shit.
Srsly when you see "don't be evil" think "Honest Google's Search Emporium".
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Not any time soon. Embedded Theora video in Firefox 3.5 still uses at least twice as much CPU as downloading the file and playing it with a proper video player. It's better than Flash which is even more greedy with your CPU cycles, but it is by no means anywhere near close to being called good.
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a is based on b
c is much better than b
ergo c is much better than a ?
So the next big question is, how long will it take for all the über geeks at Google to make it happen? I wonder if they can pull it off quicker than the time it takes to hire a new person.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
@Anonymous Coward: I don't think jonwil intended that his comment be taken rigorously as a syllogism. Specifically, I took "VP3 ever was" to imply VP3 and all codecs based closely on its principles. But even though VP3-based codecs like Theora can't compete with H.264 or VP8, they occupy a space between MPEG-2 and H.264, similar to the MPEG-4 Part 2 familiar from the DivX scene.
What's a more polite way to say, "be more like Vimeo"?
How about "I know a lot of people who, to put it mildly, aren't a fan of video games. Can you make subtle changes to your policy so that videos of video games end up all but banned?"
Background: Vimeo bans use of its service for commercial purposes; this rules out any video uploaded by the video game's publisher. Vimeo also rejects videos uploaded by anyone other than the author; this rules out videos of game play uploaded by anyone other than the video game's publisher because they're "derivative works".
If you correct a point of terminology in a post, it is also polite to correct a point of substance along with it. Otherwise, you look like you're in the National Socialist Grammar Teachers Party.
As a Windows user, I have no problem viewing videos with Flash. I often have multiple Flash streams downloading and only one playing, so I don't have to wait for the next part of multipart videos.
So, what's exactly the problem with Flash?
This can only be a good thing, maybe when GooTube adopts the HTML5 video tag, browsers will then adopt a common standard and behaviour.
Almost everything already supports H.264 and AAC, they're both excellent CODECs and the *only* problem people have with it is the damn patents.
Apple should just buy all the rights to H.264 and AAC and then make them free to use/public domain.
Another solution would be to change the license requirements for software-only products (such as browsers), so that only hardware products require a license.
I'm not sure to what extent this is "storm-in-a-teacup" status, but the DMCA has been frequently abused on YouTube as a means of censorship -- not just by corporations, but by individuals. So has "false flagging" -- a video says something you disagree with? Flag it as inappropriate.
Both of these seem to be handled somewhat mechanically by YouTube. For a good example, search for "What Islam Fears: Laughter," but it's much more common than that -- particularly, creationists like to use it to get atheist videos removed, when their votebots fail to reduce the video's score significantly.
Most recently, VenomFangX (remember him?) pulled a neat little trick in which he false-DMCA'd someone, then dropped it when a counter-notice was filed and accused this person of child molestation, using the personal information from the counter-notice to personally identify him.
So far, I see a ton of comments about HTML5, and that's well and good, open standards are important. But freedom of speech is more important. Granted, it is YouTube's right to censor whatever they wish, but this doesn't seem to be YouTube doing the censoring, or indeed a conscious choice on the part of any human at YouTube -- it's individuals abusing YouTube's flagging and DMCA notice system.
Of course, if Google notices this, expect the next wash of comments to be complaints about the new channel pages -- fair enough, given I don't know a single person who prefers it to the old system -- but not nearly as important as these two issues.
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It’s weird. I see two “sides”, presented as “fighting” (of course the are not>). And both of them are not connected to reality at all.
First we have what’s there right now: Flash, some proprietary container, H.264, MP3.
Then we have the open source evangelists (as opposed to the normal friends of open source): HTML5, Theora, OGG, Vorbis.
Meanwhile, here in the real world, everybody who distributes modern videos, does it in: Matroska container, AC3, Vorbis, AAC or MP3, perhaps subtitles, via torrents or just an (X)HTML <object> tag ((X)HTML5 in the future).
(Before HD and 5.1 it used to be AVI.)
Both “sides”: Get down to the real world!
YouTube! Implement the most obvious thing: A HTML5 <video> tag, Matroska, H.264, and MP3/Vorbis/AC3 (depending on what the uploader chose). You can of course add Theora. But nearly nobody will care because it will look crappy when hitting the same size/bitrate limitation.
Firefox! Connect your <video> tag to ffmpeg plus libmatroska, and be done with it! They are open source, on every open source OS, on every OS that downloads movies from the net (so basically: everyone), and most importantly: Support aaalll the above formats, plus a ton more.
There. Easy peasy.
Or do I really have to wait for a Russian cracker team to beat some sense into us and release a Firefox extension later??
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
I was so excited to see the first part of that sentence, and then... ARGH!
God damn it Adobe. You sure know how to make Mac users hate you.
O/T PS: Stop having Acrobat products force-install an inferior, broken PDF reading plugin. We like the fast one that works that came with Safari.