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New Study Shows Youth Plugged In Most of the Day

An anonymous reader writes "The amount of time youngsters are spending on the web has ballooned to exceed the average adult's full working week, according to a new study. A few years ago, the same researchers thought that teens and tweens were consuming about as much media as possible in the hours available. But now they've have found a way to pack in even more. Young people now devote an average of seven hours and 38 minutes to daily media use, or about 53 hours a week according to Kaiser Family Foundation findings released today."

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  1. For those too lazy by Misanthrope · · Score: 5, Informative

    To click through and download the PDF
    TV 4:29
    Music/Audio 2:31
    Computer 1:29
    Video Games 1:13
    Print :38
    Movies :25

    With a 29% multitasking cut, so from 10:45 total it comes down to 7:38

    Not really sure this is all that surprising to me, it's hard for me to feel alarmed over the print and music portions of the time.

    1. Re:For those too lazy by treeves · · Score: 2, Interesting

      TFS contradicts when it says kids are spending X hours on *the web*. Only 1.5 hrs /day on the computer. Or are kids surfing the web on TVs now? I had thought internet TV use was quite limited.
      When you consider how much time in school is actual class time, I'm sure this means more TV than classroom time. And if these numbers are averages I hate to imagine the kids at the far end of the curve.

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    2. Re:For those too lazy by Misanthrope · · Score: 4, Informative

      " The report is based on a survey conducted between October 2008 and May 2009 among a nationally representative sample of 2,002 3rd-12th grade students ages 8-18, including a self-selected subsample of 702 respondents who completed seven-day media use diaries, which were used to calculate multitasking proportions."

      It also is biased by the type of respondent who would complete a seven day media diary, wth kaiser.

    3. Re:For those too lazy by derGoldstein · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I actually *am* surprised -- by the time they spend in front of a TV. The "kids" I know think TVs are a relic -- the idea of making an appointment with your media seems absurd to them.

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    4. Re:For those too lazy by red_blue_yellow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Although the article does contain some overtones of negativity, I think this quote does really present the key importance of the issue:

      "When children are spending this much time doing anything, we need to understand how it's affecting them -- for good and bad," Drew Altman, president and chief executive of the foundation.

      Here are my thoughts on each item:

      TV 4:29 - Almost entirely negative, I suspect; surely the overwhelming advertisements alone cancel out any benefits the few educational shows.

      Music/Audio 2:31 - As a musician, I have a hard time knocking this. Premature deafness from blasting those headphones is no good, though.

      Computer 1:29 - As a computer scientist, well, let's just say I'm about 10x this. It can range from really good (research) to horrible (4chan).

      Video Games 1:13 - I think this is a healthy dose. Games with physical activity and (gasp) sunlight are better, but this could be worse.

      Print 0:38 - I'm surprised this number even exists. I assume the majority of it is beneficial in some ways -- exposure to articulating an idea in writing, if nothing else.

      Movies 0:25 - Movies are usually a bit more thought provoking than TV. A slight negative here, but it's still a small number.

      Overall, I do believe there is reason for concern, but not outright panic. Let the psychologists do their work and we will only understand the effects of this better.

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    5. Re:For those too lazy by derGoldstein · · Score: 1

      Print 0:38 - I'm surprised this number even exists. I assume the majority of it is beneficial in some ways -- exposure to articulating an idea in writing, if nothing else.

      I'd bet it's only there because of schoolwork. I also don't think it reflects anything -- you can find plenty of well-written material online, in almost any genre.

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    6. Re:For those too lazy by bemymonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm guessing torrented episodes also count, as would Hulu and so on...

    7. Re:For those too lazy by plastbox · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How is this news? In an average day, excluding the 7.5 hours I spend in front of a computer at work, I still manage to pack in a lot of "media"-time.

      TV: 5
      Music/Audio: 1.5 - 2
      Computer: 7
      Video Games: 1
      Print: <1 - 2 (I do reading stints, where I consume much more, but on average..)
      Movies: 0.3

      Of course, my multitasking factor is probably higher than these lame kids'. Laptop is always on, always on the table in front of me so I can chat, surf, perhaps program a little. The TV is for the most part on as well, except that part of the evening where the most interesting program is Oprah. I read on the bus to and from work while listening to music, and naturally "TV Games" pretty much has to overlap 100% with either "Computer" or "TV" (disregarding portables, which I don't own).

      News? Hardly.News to the Slashdot crowd..? Definitely not. Scaremongering for technophobic parents? Yes.

    8. Re:For those too lazy by w0mprat · · Score: 1

      Computer 1:29 - As a computer scientist, well, let's just say I'm about 10x this. It can range from really good (research) to horrible (4chan).

      Slashdot somewhere in that range? Or was that to beyond horrible to mention?

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    9. Re:For those too lazy by icebike · · Score: 1

      TFS contradicts when it says kids are spending X hours on *the web*. Only 1.5 hrs /day on the computer. Or are kids surfing the web on TVs now?

      Kids are surfing the net and watching TV on their smart phones till 4am.

      Please tell me you didn't nod off again and miss the arrival of iPhone, Android, Pre, and Droid, Rumpelstiltskin.

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    10. Re:For those too lazy by w0mprat · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Multitasking is not examined in TFS.

      Or maybe it does, I'm too lazy.

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    11. Re:For those too lazy by w0mprat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Someone should do a study into the kind of people who participate in surveys to see if they are naturally inclined over-represented in potentially headline grabbing statistics. But I suspect the result would be biased.

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    12. Re:For those too lazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids are surfing the net and watching TV on their smart phones till 4am.

      Please tell me you didn't nod off again and miss the arrival of iPhone, Android, Pre, and Droid, Rumpelstiltskin.

      Silly icebike, napping is for us and smart phones are for kids.

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    13. Re:For those too lazy by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      So a good question is; how representative is this self-selected subsample? Are these the "heavy" media users? It requires a specific kind of personality to want to keep a seven-day media use diary and no doubt this personality also affects the way they use media. Not to mention seven days isn't a particularly long measurement time; my own media use behaviour varies dramatically during the course of a year, I have no doubt schoolchildren with exam weeks and holidays have even more fluctuating media usage patterns.

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    14. Re:For those too lazy by Canazza · · Score: 1

      Rumpelstiltskin? is that the new Microsoft smart phone?

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    15. Re:For those too lazy by blackpaw · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Funny and Insightful mod option needed.

    16. Re:For those too lazy by ubrgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So kids who supposedly spend too much time being "plugged in" are going to take time to stop texting, surfing, whatever to complete a journal? The article doesn't say if they were compensated to do so (free downloads at the iTunes store, downloadable ringtones, whatever) so I'm curious what the motivation was for participating. I'm guessing things haven't changed _that_ much since I was a kid and I'd take the voluntary assignment as just that, a volunteer assignment and do whatever it was to make it look like I did it and did it well in hopes of (a) getting some sort of reward and/or (b) making it look like I'm really special by giving the questioner answers I thought they wanted.

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    17. Re:For those too lazy by Nerdfest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Especially since the way networks are run, you really *can't* make an appointment with your media anymore. Shows are either moved, cancelled by sports, or on hiatus. They seem to *want* us to download shows.

    18. Re:For those too lazy by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Given the current cost of something like an iPhone, including contract or the cost of data without a contract, is this really something available to most of the 10-18 demographic?

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    19. Re:For those too lazy by NekSnappa · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you mean Rip Van Winkle. He's the one who took a 20 year nap after pounding a few beers and bowling some 9 pin with ghosts.

      Rumplestiltskin was a dwarf who spun gold from straw.

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    20. Re:For those too lazy by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      I'm 32 and it seems absurd to me, appointment with my media. LOL
      Sorry can't think of a better word to summarise it but lol, it's so archaic, who has the time? It's 2010 not 1987.

    21. Re:For those too lazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt most kids in our day were reading for almost 40 minutes a day in their spare time. Who would have thought the internet might be a boon for literacy... aw who am I kidding, kthxcyazl8r

    22. Re:For those too lazy by Landshark17 · · Score: 1

      I'm 22 now, and in the last five years, I've almost completely stopped watching TV, but I was never bothered by the appointment with the media. Freshman year of college, knowing my night would end with The Daily Show was something to look forward to. More recently, How I Met Your Mother became a staple of my Monday nights. The problem I have is the advertising. I still watch plenty of shows, from DVDs mostly, and they're without the advertising that was a part of the original broadcast. When I watch something on TV now, I get angry when a show gets broken up by ads. I can barely make it through a full episode of anything before my loathing for the advertising drives me to do something else. Like I said before, the appointment doesn't bother me, but when it can get something on my own time with no ads, I'm going to take it over any other option.

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    23. Re:For those too lazy by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Well you can watch TV on far more lower cost devices than an Iphone, and there's connection over WiFi. My 5800 does BBC Iplayer fine. In fact I remember video on your phone being all the rage on bog standard phones around 2005 when 3G became popular.

      (Although I'd still rather watch on a bigger screen if I'm at home, and yes if you're not at home, data usage costs would be a problem.)

    24. Re:For those too lazy by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      I agree there's no need for panic. But even for TV:

      Almost entirely negative

      It may be positive, but does that make it negative? And I bet many adults spend a few hours everyday watching TV in the evening, probably more so for older people, as they don't use the Internet instead.

    25. Re:For those too lazy by vxice · · Score: 1

      "TV 4:29 - Almost entirely negative, I suspect; surely the overwhelming advertisements alone cancel out any benefits the few educational shows." "Print 0:38 - I'm surprised this number even exists. I assume the majority of it is beneficial in some ways -- exposure to articulating an idea in writing, if nothing else." So you are assuming that print is good and tv bad by default? I have seen some pretty awful things in print and there are good things on tv. Also I would question why advertisements cancel out anything that would be learned. I mostly ignore them and with many people having a tivo how often do you have to watch many commercials anyways? My own favorite shows on tv include Modern Marvels, Daily Show, any decent news, Scrubs and Sons of Anarchy. It is not all about education sometimes people just want some entertainment.

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    26. Re:For those too lazy by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      Also it was a survey where you filled out Computer and video games... given that games was nearly as high as computers (i doubt console use is that high), I think there was unintentional overlap there as well.

    27. Re:For those too lazy by zimboptoo · · Score: 1

      So kids who supposedly spend too much time being "plugged in" are going to take time to stop texting, surfing, whatever to complete a journal?

      Two words: Online quizzes.

    28. Re:For those too lazy by armareum · · Score: 2, Funny

      how does the moderation system manage to work without directors such as yourself spelling out your inane opinions?

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    29. Re:For those too lazy by joocemann · · Score: 1

      I like your breakdown of the categories. Right on.

      I agree --- no cause for alarm here.

      Cultures are changing. This is how life goes, especially in these rapidly changing times.

      Really, the only major downfall of much of this is the fact that you're generally sedentary during computer/media use. But if kids were to ensure good workout schedules as well they could negate that concern.

    30. Re:For those too lazy by eleuthero · · Score: 1

      It would appear that the GP is wanting a mod system that allows for all mods to show (thus someone marked +1 insightful +2 funny would should up as such rather than +3 funny). This strikes me as a great idea, but the system works decently as it is and change is frequently challenging... though considering how well slashdot is rendering for me in Chrome today, maybe some sort of change was made.

    31. Re:For those too lazy by Orbijx · · Score: 1

      Three letters:
      DVR.

      I observed that, visiting my family last week.
      They've got a DVR, and the kids are gathered around watching some show called I, Carly (too lazy to google, don't care if it's the right name).

      They know how to work the DVR better than my 40-something year old aunt. I saw them pull the show up, start it, and start laughing.

      When I lived with the family over half a decade ago (helping to take care of my aging mother, whom I miss very much), I encouraged them to get a DVR then, because they'd get upset if someone (my mother) didn't hit record on the VCR in the afternoons.

      We got a couple of DVRs with the cable service, and would fill up their puny HDDs with various shows.

      I only recorded two shows per week (that came on at around one in the morning) with the intent of watching them on Sunday mornings (while the family was out and about), but the kids decided they were going to erase my recordings. Why? Because they didn't have enough room for Spengbab.

      I guess the tl;dr of this post is:
      Kids, when given the opportunity to dictate when (and to some extent, where) they will watch something, will watch PLENTY of television.

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    32. Re:For those too lazy by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1
      Okay, I have to pick apart this post:

      How is this news? In an average day, excluding the 7.5 hours I spend in front of a computer at work, I still manage to pack in a lot of "media"-time.

      Notice exhibit A: the condescending introduction, "How is this news?" It is as if the poster is saying, "I already know this, everyone else should know it too! I mean you all know as much as I know right? *wink wink*

      Of course, my multitasking factor is probably higher than these lame kids'. Laptop is always on, always on the table in front of me so I can chat, surf, perhaps program a little.

      Exhibit B: "I am so multifaceted that I can run three or four kinds of consumer electronics at once. I don't need to explain how much relevant attention I can give to any one said device because that is an irrelevant detail. But look at me, I can do four things. And, just to ensure that I don't sound like a consumer whore, I will put a plug in there that I sometimes program too so that it sounds like I do a lot more than consume shallow, vapid media culture."

      The TV is for the most part on as well, except that part of the evening where the most interesting program is Oprah.

      Exhibit C: Knocking a powerful, popular, cultural icon so as to induce in the reader a sense of independence and individuality.

      News? Hardly.News to the Slashdot crowd..? Definitely not. Scaremongering for technophobic parents? Yes.

      Exhibit D: Another show of condescension, this time with an appeal of brotherly interests. "See, I know all of this stuff already, so do the rest of us techno gurus on slashdot because we are all cool like that. Right guys? You're with me in feeling better than the 'normal reader' of this article. Right?"

      General conclusion: This post seems to be an artful act of ego stroking and attention gathering with very little, if any, insight into anything (except perhaps your own ego and the need for attention).

      Granted, I am being a troll and a complete asshat here. I do not claim to be benevolent or kind in this posting. But I really do have to ask (and I hope I get an answer). Why the hell would you waste your time posting this? I cannot say that I am not a hypocrit. I post personal anecdotes on here all the time, but usually I at least hope to convey some sort of lesson or theme or humor through the post. What was the point of this though plastbox? I am genuinely curious about why you would post this. Is there any other motivation than just waving around your shiny peacock feathers?

      Yes, I expect to be downmodded. Yes, I expect to be mocked and scolded for a personal attack. But really, I want to know. Why did you spend the time posting this?

    33. Re:For those too lazy by YenTheFirst · · Score: 1

      TV 4:29 - Almost entirely negative, I suspect; surely the overwhelming advertisements alone cancel out any benefits the few educational shows.

      What benefits of educational shows? I made the mistake of watching an "educational" show on the Discovery Channel, on the Nazca lines.

      About 15 minutes in, the host claimed he had shown dousing to be viable. About 45 minutes in, he was taking low-grade hallucinogenics. Not to worry, though, he's being "Supervised by an experienced shaman"

      (The hallucinogenics, by the way, didn't end up telling him anything about the Nazca lines. In his own words)

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    34. Re:For those too lazy by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

      So kids who supposedly spend too much time being "plugged in" are going to take time to stop texting, surfing, whatever to complete a journal?

      Two words: Online quizzes.

      So we not only know about their media habits, but which Naruto character they are? Shame they didn't include that, I really want to see if the Hinatas as a group read more or less than the Sasukes.

      (Good lord, I didn't even need to look character names up for that. I'm ashamed.)

    35. Re:For those too lazy by treeves · · Score: 1

      People were watching TV on their phones on the train in Japan two years ago when I was there, but I wasn't aware that people were doing in the US yet (in any significant numbers). Maybe a mini Rip van Winkle. I don't have web or TV on my (non-smart) phone, though it is web-capable.

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  2. This stat is rather curious by Paktu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The survey taker's school "doesn't use grades" for 0% of heavy users, 3% of medium users, and 10% of light users. This statistic by itself makes me unconvinced about the overall findings...do you mean to tell me that 0% of heavy internet users attend schools that don't give grades? What the hell is the sample size, anyway???

    1. Re:This stat is rather curious by sparkymaster · · Score: 1

      Yes and 2002 students. So 0% could still technically be about 10 students, and I believe that completely.

      And yes, my son attends a school with no grades and he easily consumes less than 3 hours of media (other than music) a week along with a vast majority of his classmates.

      Two weeks ago, I attended a talk at my my son's school by David Walsh (http://www.mediafamily.org/about/speak_biodavew.shtml), he had recently talked with the contributors to the report and they indicated that the numbers would go up from the previous year. I believe he said the number last year was 32 hours per week. That increase is scary to me.

      I agree with David Walsh that not all media is bad, there most definitely are useful elements of all types of media, but the sheer volume of time spent on activities where you are alone does not help social interaction. Chatting with someone on-line is not the same as interacting person to person. He cited studies where it was shown that the brain's "filter" is not activated while chatting on-line but most definitely is activated in person. Think of emails you wish you hadn't sent, to get a better understanding of this.

      He is a great speaker if you get a chance to hear him.

  3. I love stories like this that make me feel young. by PoliTech · · Score: 1

    It's good to know that the youth of today are taking advantage of the advances in technology as I always have. It also good to know that I've been keeping up!

  4. Is this really a surprise? by Third+Position · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't really see how anyone could be surprised by this. As more media options become available and more convenient to access, it seems like a logical progression. Also, you're media consumption devices are more flexible, you can consume from more sources of media concurrently. Your cell phone can likely provide you with verbal communication, music, social networks, even movies and radio. And that's probably the simplest device at your disposal these days.

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  5. That's all? by Jeian · · Score: 3, Funny

    Amateurs.

    1. Re:That's all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if their routers go down? MASS PANIC as none of them seem to know how to fix the things. Or how to configure an email client. Or install basic software.

    2. Re:That's all? by Bananatree3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      common now. When Papa needs the router reset, who does he most often turn to? The 10 year old, or his wife? The 10 year old most likely either knows how already, or can Google it and follow the steps.

    3. Re:That's all? by polar+red · · Score: 2, Funny

      jup. less than 16 hours a day is for sissies.

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    4. Re:That's all? by Cryacin · · Score: 4, Funny

      or can Google it and follow the steps.

      No, not when the router is down usually.

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    5. Re:That's all? by derGoldstein · · Score: 1

      Most people have more than one way to get online these days, just like there is an increasing amount of computers in each household. If the router's down, the kid will know to use the nearest smartphone.

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    6. Re:That's all? by derGoldstein · · Score: 1

      This would have been funny 4, or even 3 years ago. But these days? When are you at any point *not* within hand's reach of an internet connection?
      I even keep a netbook by my bed in case something comes up I'd like to check *while trying to fall asleep*...

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    7. Re:That's all? by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 4, Funny

      I even keep a netbook by my bed in case something comes up I'd like to check *while trying to fall asleep*...

      I see I'm not the only one who needs porn to fall asleep.

    8. Re:That's all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bzzt.

      AFAIK, personal smartphones have password prompts out of the box, like wireless routers. IT policies are set to lock your dad's Blackberries so your family doesn't go mucking with the company data.

      The 10-year old won't be able to go online alone unless he has his own smartphone. Oh, wait... then why would he even care about the home router anyway?

    9. Re:That's all? by plastbox · · Score: 1

      The scenario was that the dad has asked the kid to fix the Internet connection. If the kid says he needs to go online using dad's phone, I'd think dad's password on the phone isn't such a huge hurdle to overcome, eh?

      I have a smartphone, and I'll be damned if that even remotely reduces my need of a proper Internet connection (and thus router). I don't see your point.

    10. Re:That's all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neo? Neo! Young man, you get right back in here and jack back into the future!

      We are trained to know the price of everything and understand the value of nothing. (It sounds so Zen; it must be right.)

    11. Re:That's all? by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      I have to agree, internet on a phone is kind of an "emergency use only" scenario for me. If I have the time I'd rather use it as a tethered modem than browse directly on the substandard screen in the graphics-rich internet we have today. Most sites don't have a decent "mobile version". Well, that and my phone is AT&T which means I'm stuck on the ghetto-fabulous "Edge" network most of the time.

    12. Re:That's all? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      No, not when the router is down usually.

      Any 10 year old knows that's what (among other things) neighbor's "WEP secured" WiFi is for!

    13. Re:That's all? by Orbijx · · Score: 1

      Netbook!?

      I keep my desktop right by my bed. 20" monitor, keyboard, stuff.
      All sorts of good times.
      Netflix, live TV, stored media, all in an arm's reach. Great for when it's too bloody cold to sit at the computer and read /. -- balled up under a blanket, text size enlarged in the browser to compensate for the slightly larger distance from the screen...

      Sadly enough, trying to figure out a logical way to put a computer in the bathroom. Need to mitigate the gigantic cloud of steam's potential damage for when my roomie uses all the hot water showering (I'm a warm/cold shower person, not nearly as much steam).

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  6. NEWS FLASH: New Discovery!! by Bananatree3 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Researchers have recently discovered gamblers like money, scholars spend lots of time reading and fishermen are often on boats.

    1. Re:NEWS FLASH: New Discovery!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also discovered slashdot commenters tend to use sarcasm.

    2. Re:NEWS FLASH: New Discovery!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      OMG! Amazing! This changes everything I ever thought about slashdot!

    3. Re:NEWS FLASH: New Discovery!! by newdsfornerds · · Score: 1

      Heh. Yeah. Those studies they used to do where they'd ask ppl to keep a journal of everything they had eaten for a week were notoriously inaccurate. People simply "forgot" about the dozen Fig Newtons that scarfed down each night.

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  7. more reading, less doing. by bronney · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What concerns me most is that the next generation might spend more time reading about something and not have the time to actually DO them. I find the information overload very annoying already at work. Mostly emails. And I feel myself slowly being trained into ASKING for the info rather than experimenting and have your own observation in things.

    Don't know how to put it in better words.

    1. Re:more reading, less doing. by Bananatree3 · · Score: 1

      Don't know how to put it in better words.

      Why not ask Jeeves? Oops, wrong decade.

    2. Re:more reading, less doing. by poor_boi · · Score: 1

      It's OK to build on the foundations of others' work.

    3. Re:more reading, less doing. by derGoldstein · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think his point was that they won't reach the "build" part at all. There are so many things to do/consume/interact-with, that they'll just follow a thread of "virtual actions"(corny phrase, I know), and won't feel the need to experience much in real life. This isn't an unreasonable theory, IMO.

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    4. Re:more reading, less doing. by jandersen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It certainly sounds dramatic, but I think there may be a positive note to add, because where a decade ago children engaged mostly in passively being entertained, the trend now is that they take part, ie are active. A recent study has shown that the main factor explaining why boys in particular don't seem to learn English very well, found that the trick is to get them write more; and that while writing essays is seen as boring and pointless, blogging is seen as cool and meaningful.

    5. Re:more reading, less doing. by dushkin · · Score: 1

      And I feel myself slowly being trained into ASKING for the info rather than experimenting and have your own observation in things.

      Don't know how to put it in better words.

      Me neither. Can anyone think of a good way?

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      o hai
    6. Re:more reading, less doing. by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 1

      True, and somehow mankind will adapt (as a species) to deal with this. Some people will be better in coping with this, and be more successful in life than people who are not. Better in filtering/ignoring crap, seeking out the good stuff, deciding what's most important etc. And over time, natural selection will make sure that humans are better equipped to deal with their new surroundings. Electronic gadgets & information everywhere, always-connected, buildings filled with smart sensor networks, electronic records kept of everything etc.

      I'm not sure I would entirely like such a 'brave new world' though... some aspects yes, some aspects not so much.

    7. Re:more reading, less doing. by plastbox · · Score: 1

      Those interested in the technical bits will. Not all problems are adequately solvable by following a step-by-step guide online, hell, most problems I'd actually need to look up are a fair bit to complex to write a simple instructable for (hence real books). Even the problems that can be solved easily by following other people's instructions will lead the potential geek to think about and perhaps research the hows and whys of the solution he/she just implemented.

    8. Re:more reading, less doing. by shawb · · Score: 1

      Think meta-organism. With people and computers being the neurons of a brain-like structure. Those who don't care much about their personal information and share everything freely... they'll be the sensory apparatus. Those people who microblurt every piece of information that comes their way through twitter, which is then set to automatically publish to facebook and Myspace and their personal blogs via RSS and so on and so on... those will be the myelinated sheath axons. Google would make up the Hippocampus. Slashdotters would form the gray matter of some lobe of the brain (and I would be quite surprised if that was the amygdala... Fox News and Comedy Central would make much better candidates for the twin amygdalae.) I guess Fark would make a great damaged frontal lobe.

      Uggh. I should stop this line of thinking before I hurt something... or start taking myself seriously.

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    9. Re:more reading, less doing. by bjartur · · Score: 2, Funny

      blog [..] meaningful

      LOL

    10. Re:more reading, less doing. by NekSnappa · · Score: 1

      Kind of like the 'ractives' (interactive videos) in Stephensons' "The Diamond Age"

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    11. Re:more reading, less doing. by Paul+Rose · · Score: 1

      Asimov on this topic from Foundation:

      Hardin remained silent for a short while. Then he said, "When did Lameth write his book?"

      "Oh--I should say about eight hundwed yeahs ago. Of cohse, he has based it lahgely on the pwevious wuhk of Gleen."

      "Then why rely on him? Why not go to Arcturus and study the remains for yourself?"

      Lord Dorwin raised his eyebrows and took a pinch of snuff hurriedly. "Why, whatevah foah, my deah fellow?"

      "To get the information firsthand, of course."

      "But wheah's the necessity? It seems an uncommonly woundabout and hopelessly wigmawolish method of getting anywheahs. Look heah, now, I've got the wuhks of all the old mastahs--the gweat ahchaeologists of the past. I wigh them against each othah--balance the disagweements--analyze the conflicting statements--decide which is pwobably cowwect--and come to a conclusion. That is the scientific method. At least"--patronizingly--"as I see it. How insuffewably cwude it would be to go to Ahctuwus, oah to Sol, foah instance, and blundah about, when the old mastahs have covahed the gwound so much moah effectually than we could possibly hope to do."

  8. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IBF WE ARE BORG

  9. I'm Shocked! by cyberzephyr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    /. readers already know this. For 10 years i have almost always laughed at the fact we see it here before they, (The uninformed public) do.

      Look at the network news and see the slide.

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    1. Re:I'm Shocked! by derGoldstein · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes... If only /. readers were in charge, things would be different. Very, very different (I'll have nightmares tonight).

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    2. Re:I'm Shocked! by dsoltesz · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes: kids would have reached these levels of online consumption 10 years ago and we'd already have brain chips connecting us to the Interwebs 24/7 so we wouldn't need to keep those clumsy netbooks next to the bed for midnight porn surfing.

    3. Re:I'm Shocked! by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      Plato said the same thing about Philosophers....minus the nightmares I think.

  10. Kids... by lewko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No wonder they can't find time to spell properly.

    Your typical teenager probably doesn't even use a pen, and the majority of their communication would be on a device with a built-in spell checker. IT is as though they go out of their way to spell like an idiot. Is it really that much more efficient to type "Im going 2 da park"?

    As technology gets smarter, we as a society will be getting dumber. We are setting ourselves up to be completely pwnd by Skynet.

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    1. Re:Kids... by Game_Ender · · Score: 1

      Why should we spend time learning how to spell everything perfectly if we have a computer that can automatically correct the small errors for us? Not spending hours memorizing the exact spelling of words frees up more time for humans to spend time learning other higher level things.

    2. Re:Kids... by derGoldstein · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is another way to look at this: They're optimizing. Reporters often have shorthand text (or at least had, when they needed to use a pen), it's a faster way to log information. If all you really need to do is relay the information that you'll be at the park, then this isn't that tragic. As for spell checkers, I find that over time they improve my spelling (I know there's a big debate over this particular thing, I'm just pointing out that there's more than one outcome).

      So what if they're not as fast/accurate with a pen as you were at their age? Do/will they need to be?

      The one thing I hope they don't drop is books. Hell, even audiobooks. They get plenty of chance to just parse words when they're online, but what they're probably less used to is consuming large, contiguous streams of information.

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    3. Re:Kids... by thoughtspace · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because language is one of the most powerful tools, spell-check is fallible, and you expand your vocabulary in the process.

      Spent my life in cold-hard research and development. Grammar and spelling are used much more than any mathematical formulae (Slashdot spell-check does not catch that one!). The higher the 'level' you go, the more abstract concepts become. Hence, the more the language semantics matter.

      Not only that, it is much more professional when you present documents with the correct spelling. You might not care; but the person who notices might be important to your future.

    4. Re:Kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your use of formulae is both incorrect, and pedantic.

      Consider the following two sentences:
      1)"Bicycles and motorcycles are used more than any car."
      2)"Bicycles and motorcycles are used more than any cars."

      Clearly the former is grammatically superior.

    5. Re:Kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it really that much more efficient to type "Im going 2 da park"?

      Yes, if you write that with the standard cell phone keypad.

    6. Re:Kids... by Stooshie · · Score: 2

      Rate parent up please!

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    7. Re:Kids... by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, the only people who really try to learn higher level things are those who try to spell properly because those who don't, don't bother to learn at all.

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      "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
    8. Re:Kids... by kyz · · Score: 1

      They can spell properly. Kids choose to spell like idiots because it makes them different from their parents.

      It's the same reason they listen to music that's "unlistenable noise" if you ask their parents. In fact, a friend of mine complained his kids were into noisecore. Ha! He grew up being into heavy metal, which annoyed his parents who preferred the Beatles.

      Texting doesn't make you a worse speller, because you have to know how to spell something properly before you can make it shorter for text-speak. Ask a linguistics professor about it sometime.

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    9. Re:Kids... by lewko · · Score: 1

      I assure you the majority of sub-literate such comments on Youtube which prompted my original rant, were not typed on a cellphone.

      It's the product of laziness combined with acceptance of mediocrity as the norm.

      Change!

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    10. Re:Kids... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how old you are, so at 27 I may well fall into the kids-who-need-to-get-off-your-lawn demographic, but I can barely remember how to use a pen. I post more words on Slashdot alone every day than I write with a pen in a year. I write under a hundred words per month with a pen, and about the only time that I use one is when I need to sign for something. Last month, my second book was published. I don't think you can correlate ability to use a pen with command of the English language.

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    11. Re:Kids... by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      "Im going 2 da park" wouldn't be so common if god damned SMS messages weren't so expensive and twitter had more than 140 chars.
      Efficiency is king and even I find myself re-writing a 140char tweet for 2 minutes sometimes to fit it in the optimal space, as for SMS less so nowadays but it frustrates me that good english can't be applied to it.

      That being said it comes with age, I grew up with the beginnings of the 2 cool 4 school lol crowd and we all used shorthand back in the BBS and ICQ days but the vast majority of us grew up and adjusted our use of language online, none the less "2" vs "too" is sorely tempting when I'm dying for some characters nowadays. (Instead I opt for & rather than and)

    12. Re:Kids... by NekSnappa · · Score: 1

      I'm sort of in between.
      When writing for correspondence I prefer to type it on screen where it is easy to edit large chunks at a time. I need this because I often find that I say the same thing a couple of times worded differently, and need to pare it down.
      But when doing creative writing, songs, poems, etc. I prefer to write in pencil. Even though I edit as much if not more. It's not in large blocks. Usually only single lines being moved around.

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    13. Re:Kids... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Your typical teenager probably doesn't even use a pen

      Your typical adult Slashdotter probably doesn't even use a pen...

      Do you have evidence that (a) spelling is in decline, and (b) there is a causative link due to computers and the Internet? Or are you just pushing "Get off my lawn" arguments without evidence?

      Is it really that much more efficient to type "Im going 2 da park"?

      In most cases no, but it is for people paying per 140 characters in a text, or people on most low end or older phones who haven't mastered the text prediction option. And counter argument.

      As technology gets smarter, we as a society will be getting dumber.

      Well, perhaps people are more likely to post claims without evidence ... so citation please?

    14. Re:Kids... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Ah, proof by YouTube. You forgot to post evidence that correlates this with age, and then shows that people today didn't have the same sloppy spelling when they were younger.

    15. Re:Kids... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      In fact, a friend of mine complained his kids were into noisecore. Ha! He grew up being into heavy metal

      It was a sure sign of getting old, when I first saw metal compilations being advertised on TV, complete with "Get it for Dad!" voiceover...

      (I agree with you btw - also see this recent article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8468351.stm .)

    16. Re:Kids... by Landshark17 · · Score: 1

      Not using a pen and paper may atrophy one's penmanship, but it has nothing to do with the ability to express a coherent thought on a page. I have been typing everything I hand in in school since about sixth grade. My handwriting sucks, but my writing hasn't suffered for it, the same goes for most of my friends my age (22).

      Technology is merely a tool. It doesn't make people and dumber or any smarter. Like everything else, it all depends on how it's used. To paraphrase an old saying, "The technology opens the door, but the user must step through."

      The wealth of knowledge available through technology gives us the opportunity to become collectively smarter than any other time in human history. Printing presses gave way to libraries and now literacy is expected when once it was a mark of wealth and privilege. Computers gave way to the Internet which gave way to a faster and easier method of sharing information. The increased computer literacy makes us more resistant to Skynet

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    17. Re:Kids... by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the kids don't know better when they spell lose loose.

    18. Re:Kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rate your moma up foo!

    19. Re:Kids... by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      I don't know that it's entirely a bad thing. Granted, it gets very annoying to stumble upon posts and jibber jabber that has half spelled words and garbled nonsense in it. But in some ways, pidgin speak is quite interesting. As another poster pointed out, it is quickly developing as a new form of shorthand. Another interesting take on it is that it forces folk to parse language with more critical thinking. If the communicator's message is unclear and a bit garbled, then people have to focus harder on trying to figure out what he or she is saying. As a result, they have to read a little more attentively. Furthermore, I've noticed that kids who communicate in this standard regularly (meaning some of my younger cousins and such) tend to look more for intention within a message than literal meaning. Now, sometimes that is good and sometimes it is bad. For instance, when it involves an emotional issue (love, relationships, passionate topics in general) it tends to be bad. However, it also helps the communicator sometimes if he or she has trouble putting into words (or half words) the message. In other words, intuition helps get points across sometimes.

      Also, I wonder if pidgin speak could become a form of art one day, kind of like slam poetry. As it blends and becomes a part of our society (accepted or not) it could find a place as a subcultural form of expression. This would be similar to the way ebonics went from being something looked down upon to being a form of communication used to express identity and cultural messages within a niche culture (African Americans). Ebonics has, in essence, become both a joke that a lot of folk can shrug off, as well as a key component of popular arts such as rap and hip hop. I could see pidgin becoming the same. Just like rappers embraced ebonics, punk rockers embraced shock-and-appall language, some internet subcultures embrace pidgin. Hell, MC Lars has already rapped about emoticons in his song, 'iGeneration.' Perhaps we are seeing the early beginnings of a new form of expression. While it is certainly no iambic pentameter, dismissing it outright as dumb and naive seems shortsighted.

    20. Re:Kids... by lewko · · Score: 1

      Here's proof: I was correcting my teacher's spelling in fourth grade.

      It's not "sloppy spelling". It's wilful ignorance. You do not need to be well educated to know the difference between "to" and 2, "the" and "da" etc.

      The simple fact is, they don't give a shit and their educators have nurtured that attitude by not giving a shit either.

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    21. Re:Kids... by lewko · · Score: 1

      I honestly don't recall spending any hours memorizing spelling and suspect the only people who do are entrants in spelling bee contests.

      I simply made a conscious effort to learn and when spelling errors were pointed out, I'd learn from that as well.

      The totally lazy approach of the younger generation is such that I frequently receive resumes via email, in MS Word format from technically proficient candidates, with spelling errors. Not only are they bad spellers, they are so friggin' lazy or stupid they don't even right click on the red wavy underline. On a goddamned job application!

      My office is generally paperless, but I usually print those ones out so I can enjoy throwing them in the waste paper bin.

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  11. WALL-E by Bananatree3 · · Score: 1

    I think this clip from WALL-E is sadly a very real possibility.

  12. Your taxes at work by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Don't blame the children.
    They are not the ones that decide to pay less on education and that ebonics or it's more recent equivalent is good enough.
    It's not just Texas and California now with cheap schools that produce students equipt to do little more than say "do you want fries with that?".

    1. Re:Your taxes at work by JackieBrown · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't blame the children.
      They are not the ones that decide to pay less on education and that ebonics or it's more recent equivalent is good enough.

      We are paying more than we were 20 years ago yet children are doing worse in school.

      The problem isn't with the money (maybe in some districts) but the way they teach kids now.

      My daughter was not taught how to read using phonics, she was taught using "sight words." I asked the teacher she wasn't learning the multiplication table and the teacher said that it was not taught anymore because they prefered 'concepts.' As a result, my daughter does multiplication (not addition but multiplication!!!!) using her fingers. She reads well now due to the time I have spent with her but her writing is still terrible (but it looks pretty.)

      Now I fully admit that I should have taken the time to have taught her myself instead of relying on the school system. But I do remember being taught these things when I went to school. And passing out a multiplication table or phonics sheet is not expensive.

    2. Re:Your taxes at work by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      it's also the notion that having more people pass is more important than actually teaching them something.

      This is the root of the problem. By the time it is bad enough to be forced not to pass a kid, the kid is so far lost and hates school so much - because of being so lost - that it is too late.

    3. Re:Your taxes at work by Sulphur · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't blame the teachers either.

      A good administration would get rid of bad teachers.

      A bad administration would harass good teachers and keep the bad ones.

      Within limits, money is not the issue; however, shared vision is.

    4. Re:Your taxes at work by Stooshie · · Score: 1

      Phonics? Bleugh! So you can't spell then, I assume?

      I was taught the roots of words and why they are spelt the way they are (as well as some rules of thumb and memorized exceptions).

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    5. Re:Your taxes at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking as a 17 year old currently sitting in "higher" computing while being lectured on the absolute stone wall basics of networking as if it was rocket science, I cannot begin to express how true the parent post is. Almost anything useful I know, I have taught myself from the internet. Its just as bad here in the UK. However I'm leaving in May for college.

      I'm leaving, because nothing I have learnt in the past 2/3 years is going to be of any remote use to me ever. I'd like to not waste my life.

    6. Re:Your taxes at work by JosKarith · · Score: 1

      Problem is that the UK academic system has shifted so that all you are taught up till the end of your A-levels is how to pass the next set of exams. How to think for yourself, analyze problems and evaluate situations is left to the first year of uni/college. That's why the first year is such a shock for so many students. Everything before that has become purely about the school hitting targets, not about educating you.

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    7. Re:Your taxes at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are paying more than we were 20 years ago yet children are doing worse in school.

      That's bull. In the early 80s all that Reganomic tax cut crap like Proposition 13 and Measure 5 and all that went into effect, pretty much destroying funding for public schooling. Now that there's a republican in the governor's office the state budget for education is slashed year after year.

      When I was a kid, parents didn't have to bring in a ream of paper every month to help keep the school running. Teachers didn't have to buy their own chalk, textbooks, and other supplies out of their meager salaries. Kids had access to school bus services back then, but now do not. Talented and gifted programs actually involved offering some extra education to the kids, and now the "program" is just a way for the school to get a budget bump while providing nothing to the gifted kids.

      Paying more than we were 20 years ago? Hah.

      The people who've been whining about taxes for 20 years didn't just destroy your childrens' education. They destroyed the institution's capability to educate.

    8. Re:Your taxes at work by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      " . . .the notion that having more people pass is more important than actually teaching them something."

      Precisely. Idiotic Federal mandates like NCLB enforce a mentality where the "herd" can only move forward at the pace of the slowest member. My anecdotal evidence is the same as yours. Everyone needs to pass. Who knows how many kids are being "held back" to make sure that a few aren't "left behind"? Add in complications like students who come from broken homes or students who speak English as a second language and the philosophy becomes a disaster. The K-12 education system in this country is a glowing example of how government F&^%$ up practically everything it touches.

    9. Re:Your taxes at work by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      Don't blame the teachers for that, all of that crap is state-mandated. I promise you, most teachers are just as upset about this as you are, but their hands are tied.

      Ironically, the states then blame the teachers for poor performing students and then clamp down further in their preventing the teachers from giving a good education by handing down more mandates. It's the circle of life.

    10. Re:Your taxes at work by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Have you considered that it is possible that we pay more than we ever did in the past, and yet schools wouldn't have money to buy paper? It is called too much money on overhead.

      Don't get me wrong - I'm all for using technology in education. However, far too much money goes on toys that don't really get well-utilized. The cost of one computer would supply paper for an entire school. The problem with technology is that it is very expensive to maintain. It can be worth it if it is well-utilized, but if you just use it as a typewriter and to pull up the odd webpage it isn't worth having (at least not at school - in the home is a different matter).

      To be worthwhile technology has to be well-integrated into the curriculum and deliver something that simply wasn't being delivered before.

      I'm actually not going to join the chorus whining about teacher salaries. On average they are probably fine. The problem is that they're almost entirely based on seniority and there is a huge range - I'd make new teachers make only moderately less than retiring ones, and use a pay model more reminiscent of private enterprise. That will probably help to attract more qualified teachers.

      The whole summer off bit seems really odd as well. Why exactly do we need to take two months or more off every year? Why not just have a continuous cycle? By all means fit in more outdoor activities and all that in the summer, but there is no reason that we have to take the time off.

      There are a lot of reforms that could help fix schools, but the focus is too much on placating special interests and not providing eduction. I don't see that changing anytime soon...

    11. Re:Your taxes at work by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

      My daughter was not taught how to read using phonics, she was taught using "sight words."
      How often do you read using phonics? If you are consciously sounding out words, people generally interpret that as "can't read".

      English spelling is based on half a dozen different sets of phonics rules (English, Latin, Greek, French, and probably others). I don't know about you, but I only learned the very simplest of them when I was in first grade in 1982. Getting a feel for the rest came from just seeing words that looked similar.

      I asked the teacher she wasn't learning the multiplication table and the teacher said that it was not taught anymore because they prefered 'concepts.'
      Right, because those apply to things that are still important. My son is in 7th grade, and not as good at long multiplication and division as I was then, but he's learning geometry and algebra I didn't get until 9th and 10th grade.

    12. Re:Your taxes at work by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      English spelling is based on half a dozen different sets of phonics rules (English, Latin, Greek, French, and probably others). I don't know about you, but I only learned the very simplest of them when I was in first grade in 1982. Getting a feel for the rest came from just seeing words that looked similar.

      Exactly. That's what many teachers used for many years -- a sort of hybrid approach that combines basic phonics with whole-word. I'm not sure what the GP's teacher is actually doing, but I know teachers who tend to use only one or the other, and I don't think either is as effective as a hybrid.

      I asked the teacher she wasn't learning the multiplication table and the teacher said that it was not taught anymore because they prefered 'concepts.'

      Right, because those apply to things that are still important.

      Sorry, but I actually can't agree with this. Yes, it takes a lot of time and effort to memorize the multiplication table (along with doing similar speed drills with addition/subtraction and other basic operations), but along with that memorizing, a student gets some basic sense of numeracy, particularly if combined with estimation skills taught a few years later.

      Innumeracy is a huge problem with students today. I taught algebra II and geometry, as well as high school physics for a few years, and if students have never learned basic arithmetic facts and basic estimation ideas, they simply have no idea whether what their calculator spits out is correct. If we were arguing about spending hours with young kids drilling long division or something, I think you might be onto something -- just teach the basic idea, but then allow calculators.

      But without at least some baseline of simple arithmetic facts, it makes it really difficult for students to understand when a computer or calculator spits out an answer that doesn't make any sense.

      My son is in 7th grade, and not as good at long multiplication and division as I was then, but he's learning geometry and algebra I didn't get until 9th and 10th grade.

      The GP wasn't talking about "long multiplication and division," he was talking about a basic multiplication table. Try teaching a bunch of students how to solve quadratic or exponential equations when they don't know what 3 times 5 is, or can't divide 12 by 6. I've done it, and it just makes the whole idea of teaching algebra to these kids ridiculous, since the abstract concepts of algebra require at least a basic level of numeracy... otherwise, your solution is just a shot in the dark, and you have no idea whether it's right.

    13. Re:Your taxes at work by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      How often do you read using phonics?

      It was useful when I was younger and their where a lot of new word for me to discover.

      Sometimes a definition of a word that I had not read (but had heard) before wouldn't come to me until after I spoke (or thought) what it sounded like.

    14. Re:Your taxes at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This can easily be explained by population growth and inflation.

      I'd personally like to see some kind of breakdown on money spend today vs. 20 years ago, taking inflation into account.

      It's either really high, or really low. And probably shocking either way.

  13. Our kids by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    TV (pay channels): about 1 hour
    Playstation: 1-2 hours
    Computer (mostly web): 1-2 hours
    MP3 & suchlike: less than 1 hour
    Reading (overlaps with MP3, and includes homework): 2-4 hours

    The Playstation games are nonviolent or relatively low violence (Afrika, LittleBigPlanet, a few Ratchet&Clank). Reading time does not include PC time. They also get 2-4 hours of outside playing or at various hobby activities. This is the routine that we have right now, based largely on the kids' preferences.

    It seems that the kids in the survey don't have much time left over for hobbies or being outside, or even for reading books...

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    1. Re:Our kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your kids go to bed pretty late then.

      Assuming they are home from school @ 3:30
      4:30 After TV
      6:30 After Playastation
      8:30 After Computer
      12:30 After homework / MP3

      (Granted homework probably comes first for their day - or after some healthy playstation...)
      I guess dinner and family time occur in front of the TV or during homework.

    2. Re:Our kids by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      Your kids go to bed pretty late then.

      Yes, they do. They have never been sleepers, even when babies.
      However, your time estimates are a little off, as they appear to assume the maximum of each range can occur on a school day. Using the lower end of each range, and adding another hour for meals, means they're in bed around 11:30, which is almost right. Actually they're mostly in bed around 11:00, but some of the reading time is while in bed.
      The upper end of the range occurs on weekend days, when there may be more Playstation, or a few hours of horseriding/ballet/skiing/etc. instead of school. They sleep in until 08:00 on weekends, but that leaves lots of time for them to fill.

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    3. Re:Our kids by tixxit · · Score: 1

      Well, it says ~40m for "print." I imagine that number is balanced between kids who read 1-2h a day and those who don't read at all.

  14. This just in by Korbeau · · Score: 1

    American media cover daily struggle in life 24/24, and Americans tune in.

    Daily struggle at 4.

  15. So, what else would you have them do? by petes_PoV · · Score: 3, Insightful
    All this tells us is that people are filling their spare time.

    An individual spends a certain amount of time asleep, a certain amount at school or working (or housekeeping, or whatever), a certain amount eating, washing(!), travelling and all the other miscelleanea of living. Then they have some time spare - is that such a surprise?

    All this study does is tell those people who believe studies what those individuals spend their time doing. Would you prefer they spend that time drinking, instead?

    Oh yes, that thing about multi-tasking media. All that tells us is how unfulfilling sources like TV are - people don't actually *watch* it, they just have it on in the background (while doing something more interesting) just in case something worthy of their attention does happen. That's all TV is today - whatever age you are.

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    1. Re:So, what else would you have them do? by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      doing something productive, thats what.

      don't complain american is full of dumb fat lazy people when the kids of today spend almost a full working day glued to a monitor, with their brain in park.

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    2. Re:So, what else would you have them do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I guess you missed the day they taught sentence strucure (commas, capitalization, etc)

    3. Re:So, what else would you have them do? by wjc_25 · · Score: 1

      Speaking as a college first-year, I'm sure I get well above that number, if we're counting generously. Nearly all my profs use Powerpoint, so that's a few hours of media usage right there. And then I tend to leave Facebook and Gmail open as I study, whether I'm using the computer or not, so there's a few more hours. When I hang out with the others at my hall, almost inevitably there's a TV on or someone's playing Wii or Madden. I'd say the only time I'm not connected to some sort of media is when I'm sleeping or out walking.

    4. Re:So, what else would you have them do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      doing something productive

      Such as what? The way I see it, we (the species) are going to die right here on planet Earth. We accelerate that eventuality via our rampant productivity by increasing the number of people, buildings, automobiles and decreasing the amount of arable land, clean air and water, energy, and the number of other species. Furthermore, the Multimedia-Industrial Complex says this is good for us: production and consumption is the end-all be-all of existence. People don't want to move into outer space, nor explore inner space, nor feed the hungry, heal the sick, or engage in any noble enterprise. Work, consume, work, consume. So, enjoy your brain-dead fat-ass zombies -- they are the end-product of our society.

    5. Re:So, what else would you have them do? by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      People spend 7.5 hours or more in a day being productive. This is about people's spare time.

      Do you have evidence that things are any different in other countries? Indeed, my impression was that working hours tending to be longer in the US, compared with Europe... Not that length of time alone is a good measure of productivity, anyway.

      What about yourself? Shouldn't you be doing something productive instead of posting on Slashdot? I mean, just look at what it's doing to your writing abilities!

    6. Re:So, what else would you have them do? by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      They could spend their time crafting or building something. Things like that enrich a community. Its always nice having a neighbor that will knit you a cap or a pair of slippers if you agree to repair their broken cabinet door for them. Also, making explosives out of home chemicals and lighting things on fire (while generally a terrible and unsafe idea) is a hell of a lot of fun. It's much more of a rush than the virtual explosions found in movie theatres =D

      Not that I am encouraging that kind of behavior....

  16. My Lawn by ozdeadman · · Score: 1

    damn kids, get off my lawn

  17. It is true! by santax · · Score: 1, Funny

    My girlfriend is 12 years younger than me and it is true. She is getting plugged most of the day. Hey, can you blame me?

    1. Re:It is true! by ami.one · · Score: 2, Funny

      With that age difference I can't even dream of blaming you; Its mostly the fault of your friendly neighborhood teen. ;-)

    2. Re:It is true! by precariousgray · · Score: 3, Funny

      My girlfriend is 12 years younger than me and it is true. She is getting plugged most of the day. Hey, can you blame me?

      No, I wouldn't blame you, as long as you're the one plugging her.

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    3. Re:It is true! by santax · · Score: 1

      You insensitive clod ;) That hurts!

  18. When the internet bred overtake the TV bred. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better the internet than the TV. The internet is interactive and encourages critical thinking and problem solving. I think it will produce a much more informed and engaged public than the TV generations of old. The internet has an ever increasing influence on political and philosophical thought. We have yet to see the full potential of an entire population raised by the internet. I'm optimistic.

    1. Re:When the internet bred overtake the TV bred. by tehcyder · · Score: 4, Funny

      The internet is interactive and encourages critical thinking and problem solving.

      ROFLMAO

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    2. Re:When the internet bred overtake the TV bred. by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      The internet has an ever increasing influence on political and philosophical thought.

      Oh God help us.

      I'm moving to Mars the day I see the candidate from the "4chan" party taking an oath of office.

  19. the people will destroy what the people love by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    whatever it is, it's a problem, not the "way of the future," not something that could be leveraged for a good result

    it's a problem with the internet and the cure will be in destroying something that people enjoy

    that's the way it always goes

  20. Great! by Col+Bat+Guano · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now they'll be too busy to get on my lawn!

  21. Only 7:38? by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Christ, son, I have that much streaming in NOW. When one goal is to archive the internets useful shit, you come across this problem often. Hell, I burned five roboboards just trying to handle so many incoming 56K streams.

    Rank amateurs, I tell you. Are these kids just learning how to utilize a computer in this study?

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  22. less than 8 hours a day? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Try watching a 30 hour Monty Python marathon sometime(the only breaks are commercial breaks), that's real dedication to your media.

    I suppose you could just watch the DVDs straight through and only take breaks to pee, but no sleeping, that would be cheating.

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  23. Ironically by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Most adults also spend their entire working week on teh intarwebs.

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  24. Re:Well I'm 20 by Stooshie · · Score: 1

    "... the headings are enough most of the time ..."

    Sheesh!

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  25. Of course they're plugged in. by machine321 · · Score: 1

    If you don't plug them in, how are you going to charge them?

  26. It's culture, not medium. by Nebulious · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When you see kids insisting on incorrect spelling/grammar online, it's not necessarily because the medium encourages bastardizing the language in every instance. It's a desire to cool by being anti-intellectual. In their minds, only a nerd and an adult takes out the times to make everything they type in informal settings 'perfect.' We even do it here in sophisticated places like Slashdot. When someone brings up or wants to enforce the subtle differences between affect and effect, we just hand-wave it, call them grammar Nazis, and move on. It's the same thing. So next time you feel like blindly criticizing the next generation, why not try holding that critical lens to yourself as well?

  27. Quall by quall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am not surprised either. In fact, it is preparing them for the world outside of high-school. I am an adult in my mid 20s and I spend practically the whole day in front of media. I spend about 8 hours at work on a computer, i listen to music in my car when I go to and from work, and in the evening I watch tv. I spend probably 11 or 12 hours in front of media as an adult. The weekends are the only times where I spend very little of my time on media. According to that study, kids who spend a lot of time on media are generally stressed and depressed. I wonder if that is an cause for the media time consumption and not an affect. At least they will know how to use those things. It is practically required in the working class these days.

  28. Its not consumption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A person consumes a hamburger, it no longer exists as a hamburger. People watch videos or listen to music. The video and music still exist after they have finished. The items can be viewed or listened to again and again. It is not consumption. Unless of course you are talking about people actually eating 16 mm film for example or chewing on CDs, in which case I agree that this would be consumption.

  29. Study shows: Youth at home, most of the day. by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Informative

    News at 11.

    Really, what’s the point of turning the computer off when at home?
    That would mean no music, no movies, no quick search on wikipedia or something, no way of seeing if friends are at home.
    If you do not prefer to be alone and bored, but don’t want or can’t to drive to your friends, then the choice is obvious.

    Doesn’t mean one also is alone and actually sits in front of the thing.

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    1. Re:Study shows: Youth at home, most of the day. by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      Really, what’s the point of turning the computer off when at home?

      Peace and quiet.

      That would mean no music, no movies, no quick search on wikipedia or something, no way of seeing if friends are at home.

      So....time to work on your car? Time to take apart the toaster and figure out how it works? Time to read a book? Time to bake cookies? Time to play with Legos (if you don't have time for that, what's the point in living?).

      If you do not prefer to be alone and bored, but don’t want or can’t to drive to your friends, then the choice is obvious.

      Sex and/or cuddling on the couch with a spouse, girlfriend, or friend with benefits? Going for a walk?

      ;)

  30. Not much..... by Ralz · · Score: 0

    Do these figures include the time that they are at school etc.? As 1:29 using computers is pretty low, do they not study any IT at all?
    Including work time I usually spend about 14-15 hours at a computer each week day.

    My usage would look something like this:
    TV 0:20
    Music/Audio 5:00
    Computer 15:00
    Games 1:30
    Print 0:05
    Movies 0:30

    But a lot of that overlaps as I watch TV/Movies, listen to music and play games all on my computer.

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  31. Kids... by orsty3001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nothing a kid does will be praised by adults. Every single generation was supposed to be the downfall of mankind, with their swinging hips, their rock and roll music, their spirographs and their sagging pants.

  32. Impact on Education by Storchei · · Score: 1

    In my opinion, this has a direct impact on education of young people.
    I think that, for education to be successful, it's required a period of assimilation of knowledge which depends on the amount of time spent in thinking (thinking requires ourselves to be unplugged, of course).
    I've observed that less time is spent on watching around us and wondering how things work, in opposition to dozens of years ago. This issue has direct incidence on the way we act in our lives.
    It's interesting to see how, in general, middle education has experienced a significant downgrade while we're proud of "progress". In my opinion, technology and consumerism have to be taken with care. Nowadays we're experiencing an excess of technology; why? mainly due to consumerism, I believe. We are overwhelmed by so many things we tend to forget about simple/important things.
    I'm not saying technology is bad!! I'm saying technology must be used with measure.
    On the other hand, I think the problem of "youth plugged in most of the day" is intimately related to education received by each young man at home.

    In summary and in general, I think there's an excessive use of technology.

    1. Re:Impact on Education by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      Um, what?

      I spend most of my "plugged in" time learning new things, doing research for work. It is not Youtube/WoW/Slashdot all the time. Although that is how I spend some free time...

      I keep up on the TLA's (I work for IBM after all...) that won't be in print for years. I read the latest for my supported platform and a few others, I read IT management blogs... very informative for what NOT to do!

      So, like anything else, it is what you do, not how you do it. I could waste my whole day unplugged, reading the Black Company chronicles for example.

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    2. Re:Impact on Education by Storchei · · Score: 1

      You have a point. But, as the article, I do not refer to the kind of activities you mention. I also spend a lot of time reading information about new technologies and learning on the computer, I work on the IT sector.
      In my comment above I refer to activities such as:
      * chat
      * facebook
      * fotologs
      * online/offline gaming
      * porno

      among other pointless activities..

  33. your sig by newdsfornerds · · Score: 1

    Your sig tells me you're semiliterate, therefore I'm less likely to be influenced by anything you post. Learning how to use punctuation will not make you less cool.

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  34. To Paraphrase the Matrix by lobiusmoop · · Score: 1

    The Media is a system... built to keep us under control... in order to turn a human being... into this

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  35. Tweens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Besides the teens, the researchers looked at motion and shape tweens from the upcoming Flash CS5 software package. We are unsure about how exactly this is related to how much time teens spend "on the web" but the researchers must know better.

  36. How many hours a day are there in your world? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Including the 7.5 hours:

    7.5 + 5 + 1.75 + 7 + 1 + 1.5 + .3 = 24.05 hours a day you spend consuming various types of media.

    How many hours a day are there in your world?
    When do you eat?
    When do you sleep?
    How long does it take for you to get ready for work in the morning?
    How long is your commute?
    Do you ever spend any time actually just talking with family members, or is social interaction impossible for you?

  37. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this really a valuable use of their time?
    Maybe they should go ahead and check if Pluto is a planet again.