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The Apple Paradox, Closed Culture & Free-Thinking Fans

waderoush writes "The secrecy surrounding the expected Apple tablet computer is only the latest example of the company's famously closed and controlling culture. Yet millions of designers, musicians, and other creative professionals love their Apple products, and the Apple brand is almost synonymous with free-thinking creativity. How can a company whose philosophy of information sharing is so at odds with that of most of its customers be so successful? This Xconomy essay explores three possible explanations. 1) Closed innovation, overseen by a guiding genius like Steve Jobs, may be the only way to build such coherent, compelling products. 2) Apple's hardware turns out to be more 'open' than the company intended — Jobs originally wanted to keep third-party apps off the iPhone, for example. 3) Related to #1: customers are pragmatic about quality, and the open source and free software movements haven't produced anything remotely as useful as Mac OS X and the iPhone."

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  1. Free-thinking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is probably the first time in history a cult has been described as "free-thinking"......

    1. Re:Free-thinking? by DinZy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree. This is absurd. I take it the blurb was written by a cult member.

    2. Re:Free-thinking? by gandhi_2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Think Different" was an order, not a suggestion.

    3. Re:Free-thinking? by BlueStraggler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Simplified != dumbed down. It is the essence of good design.

      Dumbed down is when you design the system at cross-purposes to itself to cater to the naive user who does not understand the conventions of desktop computing. For example, putting a big-ass "Start" button and five hundred application launcher shortcuts on the desktop, because your users don't have a clue what to do after the computer boots. Or designing your apps as monolithic monstrosities because your users don't understand multitasking. Or having your windows maximize because the multiple-application desktop is too confusing, or you were too cheap to buy an actual workstation monitor. And then needing to add a taskbar because with maximized windows it's really hard to see what you are running.

      Obviously, I'm pointing my finger at Windows, here, but Linux has been adopting the Windows conventions of desktop computing steadily over the last 10 years, to the point where it is now pretty much assumed even by most OSS enthusiasts that the many of the idiotic conventions of Windows are the correct ones to emulate. It takes several hours of tweaking a *nix box to undo these stupidities and get it back to a proper Unix-style desktop as were common in the 1990s, but then of course you are taking a step backwards. Or you can get a Mac, and get a Unix desktop that has kept up with the times.

      You can always spot the people who don't understand real desktop computing. They are the ones who complain that the Mac's maximize button doesn't work, and that you need a two-button mouse to do real work. I mean, do they seriously not know that real men use 3-button mice? On their macs?

    4. Re:Free-thinking? by Lendrick · · Score: 4, Funny

      So at the office where I work, we used to have these meetings with my whole department (mostly a bunch of programmers and such). I noticed that pretty much everyone in the meeting except me had a mac laptop (I have a dell running Fedora). Anyway, one day I grabbed a sticky note and drew an apple logo on it with a marker, and underneath it wrote "Think different.", then put the sticky note over the Dell logo on my laptop. Anyway, about half way through the meeting, someone finally noticed, and asked me why I had the apple logo stickied to my laptop, and I replied:

      "Because I wanted to think different, like everyone else."

  2. Incorrect premise by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would argue that most Apple fanboys (the real hardcore ones anyway) only THINK they're "free-thinking." They're original and free-thinking in the same way that hippies thought they were original and free-thinking in the 60's--by acting, dressing, and thinking like every other hippie. Real free-thinkers don't start out with an set ideology, and they certainly don't have a cult leader or product line that they worship.

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    1. Re:Incorrect premise by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Further the notion that "the Apple brand is almost synonymous with free-thinking creativity" is about a decade out of date.

      I spend most of my days in various professional recording studios video production houses and you see a lot fewer Macs than you used to.

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    2. Re:Incorrect premise by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I spend most of my days in various professional recording studios video production houses and you see a lot fewer Macs than you used to.

      Funny, all the IT professionals and programmers I meet seem to be using MacBooks these days.

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    3. Re:Incorrect premise by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

      Real free-thinkers don't start out with an set ideology, and they certainly don't have a cult leader or product line that they worship.

      From the summary:

      the Apple brand is almost synonymous with free-thinking creativity.

      I think what the article was trying to say is that it's as close to 'free-thinking' as one can get when describing a company or product line. You are painfully correct in that this is a ridiculous use of words but if you think back to Apple's marketing past and present, I think you'd agree that the company sought to enter the market by appealing to people who need something to feel different. And they did and that's why it's 'almost synonymous' and not equivalent. I almost appreciate the fact that they use 'free-thinking' because that title is almost always self appointed ... whether it be to imply that everyone else is 'jailed' but you or the simple fact that no one but yourself can truly know what you are thinking so to describe how you think, only you are the de facto expert.

      The funny thing is that every music studio (of five) that I've been in hinge on Mac hardware and Mac software. It's hilariously uniform. Sometimes they even have the same model of Mac with the same (ProTools) hardware and software setup. The 'free-thinking' and creativity comes from what the people do with it and not the fact that they are going against the grain in a hardware and software manner.

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    4. Re:Incorrect premise by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I spend most of my days in various professional recording studios video production houses and you see a lot fewer Macs than you used to.

      Funny, all the IT professionals and programmers I meet seem to be using MacBooks these days.

      Which is entirely irrelevant. I'm an "IT Professional and programmer" and I carry a Thinkpad. Why? Because it's the best option for me, in order to best accomplish the tasks I set myself. Look, nobody is arguing that Apple's products have a lot going for them, so there's no need for you to defend them. What is being discussed is whether or not individuals who are part of a cult-like self-reinforcing hivemind can be considered "freethinking". Personally, I don't think so. If you're someone who rationally evaluated his or her computing requirements, looking at all the options, and then settled on a Mac as the best answer, well, bully for you. Like I said, Apple makes nice stuff. If, on the other hand, you simply bought a Mac because, in your view, there can be no other option, well ... as a child your parents must have given you mental blocks for Christmas. There is a world of computing beyond Apple Computer's current product line.

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    5. Re:Incorrect premise by hitmark · · Score: 4, Interesting

      the response i get when i say i would favor thinkpads over macbooks, is that the thinkpads have boring design.

      at that point i start to wonder how much of the macbook craze is about sitting at some "starbucks" with a macbook on the table, looking like a up and coming artist working on the next bestseller book or song...

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    6. Re:Incorrect premise by ducomputergeek · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The lack of Intel processors the first half of last decade went a long way towards that. Programs like Lightwave and Maya began optimizing their rendering engines for x86. By 2005 there was a stark difference rendering times on PPC and Intel machines with Intel beating the crap out of the PPC. Plus some of the larger shops began supporting Maya on Linux. Especially for their render farms.

      That being said, I dealt with those on the small to medium side of the house almost all went Mac primarily for the software. I know a of shops that used dedicated NLA devices for editing in the 1990's and then went to Final Cut Pro. I know many more who switched from Premiere on the PC to FCP on mac because Premiere 6 was highly unstable on a lot of Windows boxes compared to FCP 3. Then Apple acquired Shake and made sure that Shake + a PowerMac/MacPro cost the same as Shake for Linux. And then dropped the price to $500 for OSX three months after I paid $3k for the software....

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    7. Re:Incorrect premise by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thats because Apple gets you to use a Mac to develop iPhone apps and nearly all developers have a sideline of making iPhone apps.

      No, in the sea of crap that is most laptops, MBP/MB are some of the least crappy.

    8. Re:Incorrect premise by beelsebob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Alternative explanation (and more plausible seeing as I saw this trend before the iPhone existed).

      Apple offers a high quality unix environment with a good user interface that "just works", but is still extremely capable of running all those geek-necessary unix utilities. All while offering it on an extremely high quality hardware platform.

    9. Re:Incorrect premise by BitZtream · · Score: 4, Insightful

      cult-like self-reinforcing hivemind can be considered "freethinking".

      So because someone appreciates a product produced by that hive mind ... they also must be of the hive mind? What a retarded statement.

      It is possible to appreciate the work of someone/some company that doesn't think exactly like you, at least for us normal people.

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    10. Re:Incorrect premise by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What is being discussed is whether or not individuals who are part of a cult-like self-reinforcing hivemind can be considered "freethinking".

      The exact same thing can be said for Linux fans, Windows fans, or any other clique.

      I heard something this morning about the "hidden brain" on NPR's Morning Edition, and the author was explaining how the choices we make may not entirely come from our "rational" conscious mind. I know I'm butchering this up so go find a podcast, but your "hidden brain" is rather dumb and makes its choices by what is sees as prevalent in the environment around them.

      So this could be:

      "I like Windows - because everybody around me uses windows." or
      "I think Apple Users are gay, because I observe that 1) the "creative artists" in popular culture appear to be gay, and 2) I see Apple is creative with their designs therefore they must be gay too." or
      "I like Apple because I observe a lot of Windows machines crash and have viruses" or
      "I like linux because I observe a lot of nerds uses it and I want to be a nerd too."

      Anyway, it's just a theory...

      I like Apples myself and I'm not gay and I don't think all my scientist colleagues which use Macs are either... not that there is anything wrong with being gay (Sienfield Reference).

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    11. Re:Incorrect premise by beelsebob · · Score: 5, Informative

      I have some better reasons than that to prefer a MacBook:

      1. Sturdier – since a) apple introduced their unibody aluminium cases and b) lenovo started making IBM's designs into utter crud
      2. An excellent track pad, not a track nipple
      3. Really good quality IPS screens
      4. MagSafe power connectors
      5. A really good quality keyboard - with backlighting

      Just being prettier is pretty secondary to all of those.

    12. Re:Incorrect premise by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 4, Funny

      They are more "West Side Story" than West Side.

      Excellent observation! Like the Puerto Ricans, Apple users are a vibrant and creative culture just trying to make it in the bad New York streets with all those Windows thugs snapping their fingers in some weird choreographed dance fight.

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    13. Re:Incorrect premise by lawpoop · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I just got done hearing a report from a young guy who suffered amnesia in India. He was a Fullbright scholar studying for a year, but when he came to, he had no idea where he was or what he was doing, or even who he was. He got taken into drug rehab because people thought he was a heroin user. He bought into this storyline because he had absolutely no basis for challenging it. He finally called his parents and started apologizing profusely for being a bad son. "We just talked to you on Tuesday".

      He said that the only clues he had as to who he was were how other people treated him, so he totally went with it. There seems to be a mental need to conform to your surroundings and other people's expectations of you.

      I think this was the last story on This American Life. Yay for NPR! :)

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    14. Re:Incorrect premise by beelsebob · · Score: 4, Informative

      Luckily though, we were discussing MacBook Pros, not MacBooks. MacBook Pros do have IPS screens.

    15. Re:Incorrect premise by Algan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's it. That's pretty much why you'll see a large number of geeks sporting Apple hardware. When you're a professional, spending most of your time working with a tool, you want that tool to be the best there is. Yes, that's going to be expensive. You can buy a cheap regular drill for $50 at Walmart (with a set of bits) like I did, but for some reason, my carpenter friend got himself a $400 top of the line impact drill. Have you seen a professional photographer plying her trade with a pocket camera? Or even a low end DSLR? Nope, they all use heavy duty, full frame cameras that cost in the thousands, not including lenses. You can do pretty much what you want with a cheap camera or a cheap drill, but your life will be much easier with a professional tool. Because a professional tool will get out of your way and let you do your thing faster with a lot less headache and a lot more joy.

      Same with computers. If I'm to spend most of my waking hours in front of a computer, I want it to be fast, reliable, look good, allow me to do whatever I want and get the hell out of my way and let me focus on the task at hand. Neither Windows nor Linux running PCs fit this bill as well as a Mac running OSX. My time and mental energy are precious which is why the cost of the hardware is no object.

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  3. Free-thinking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most of the "free-thinkers" who buy Apple products are just hipsters who think it's cool to be different, not people with genuinely "free-thinking" or radical minds.

  4. I guess Apple did all that themselves... by Mark19960 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "customers are pragmatic about quality, and the open source and free software movements haven't produced anything remotely as useful as Mac OS X and the iPhone."

    No.. they just created what runs on the them, that's all..
    Meh.

    1. Re:I guess Apple did all that themselves... by FlyingBishop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For those who still don't get it after that slightly cryptic jab, the linked article is bullshit because most of what isn't GUI polish in OS X, including WebKit and BSD, is open source.

      So the open source and free software movements created Mac OS X, which also runs the iPhone.

      That said, the Apple ecosystem is marketed as if it was embraced by freedom lovers, this doesn't actually reflect the user base.

    2. Re:I guess Apple did all that themselves... by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "haven't produced anything remotely as useful as Mac OS X and the iPhone."
      I have to disagree with this one as well.
      Linux is on more systems than OS/X everything from Supercomputers to Wifi routers to cell phones. More of the Internet is powered by Linux Apache, MySQL, PHP, Python, and Perl.
      Firefox is on how many system? OpenSSH? and let's not forget that OS/X is built on BSD.
      FOSS has not built any desktop systems as useful as OS/X. Android vs iPhone is still an on going battle but I would put them as equally as useful of not as polished.
      OS/X is a great desktop and Linux really could learn from same as the iPhone. Since both OS/X and the iPhone have been built using FOSS as their foundation I would say that it goes both ways.

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    3. Re:I guess Apple did all that themselves... by kill-1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      They obviously never visited this page.

    4. Re:I guess Apple did all that themselves... by slim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, some portions of OS X are derived from OSS. The GNU userland that almost no mac users use, and portions of the extremely heavily modified userland and base libraries and a few services such as printing.

      Those add up though. More significantly, every time a Mac user runs two processes at once, they're using the preemptive multitasking that was missing from MacOS 9, and was fixed by moving wholesale to a FOSS kernel. Every IP packet goes via a FOSS TCP stack. The pretty GUI would be useless without these foundations.

      pretending that Apple is standing on the shoulders of OSS is retarded unless you want to claim that OSS Unix like OSes are standing on the shoulders of Bell labs

      It would be ridiculous not to acknowledge that Linux, FreeBSD etc. stand on the shoulders of Bell Labs.

  5. FOSS by littlefoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "the open source and free software movements haven't produced anything remotely as useful as ... the iPhone"

    I'm not sure whether this is due to the difficulty getting make and gcc to construct things out of plastic, metal and semi-conductors - or a lack of configure options...

    If *only* there were a freely available OS to us on phones that wasn't from Apple - hmmm

    1. Re:FOSS by pydev · · Score: 4, Informative

      If *only* there were a freely available OS to us on phones that wasn't from Apple - hmmm

      Most of Apple's iPhone and desktop OS is FOSS anyway: the Mach kernel, BSD libraries, the gcc compiler and runtime, and tons more.

  6. Nice Troll by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the open source and free software movements haven't produced anything remotely as useful as Mac OS X and the iPhone

    Many users of Android, Linux, and many other open source products might have some serious disagreements with that statement.

  7. Fourth option... by theascended · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple products are trendy and artisans aren't the social outcasts and special snow flakes they think they are.

  8. Lesson: Apple marketing i working! by pydev · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and the Apple brand is almost synonymous with free-thinking creativity

    Yes, just like cigarettes make you healthy and slim, alcohol makes you attractive to the opposite sex, junk food makes you popular, and Nikes turn you into a long distance runner, weight lifter, and all-around bad-boy. Branding is great, isn't it? Of course, it has nothing to do with reality.

    Repeat after me, Mac users: "we're all different".

    Related to #1: customers are pragmatic about quality, and the open source and free software movements haven't produced anything remotely as useful as Mac OS X and the iPhone.

    Funny, I think Apple has never produced anything remotely as useful as the open source software movement, in particular given that probably the majority of the code Apple ships with OS X is derived from other people's open source projects to begin with.

  9. Re:I'm off-duty by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, there is some correlation between creativity and homosexuality; you'll find a larger percentage of gays in art school than studying any other discipline.

    But the disparity TFS speaks of isn't real. You don't buy a computer because of its culture, you buy it because it serves you purposes better than other brands. For a long time, Apple made the only computers that you could do art on; the Mac was graphic when DOS was text-only.

  10. It's number 3 by Medieval_Gnome · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From my perspective, getting an Apple laptop is the easiest way to get a nice, portable laptop which runs a Unix system (which, with MacPorts, I can get all the unixy goodness) AND to make sure that the hardware is guaranteed to work. I don't need to worry about whether the new kernel broke support for ndiswrapper, I don't need to worry about the regressions in hardware support that have hit my Linuxy friends, and I have a GUI that gets as close as I've seen to the DWIM pattern.

    And I have a scriptable GUI. Say what you will about its syntax, AppleScript allows some wonderful scripting possibilities. And you can call out to a shell script, so it's also powerful :)

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  11. Designed to stay out of your way by mikael_j · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My personal opinion is that the main reason a lot of creative (both "artsy" types and developers) like Apple's products is because the user interface and the physical products are designed to, as they say, Just work. This includes staying out of your way and letting you get to work but also to not pull the "Microsoft approach" to user friendliness by renaming things to make them "easier". There's a reason the market for customization of the look and feel of OS X is a lot smaller than the market for similar products for Windows.

    Of course, there are several reasons why this works for Apple, a couple of these are partially because they have full control over the hardware and operating system which allows for tight integration and coupled with this are the development tools and the user interface guidelines. Another influence which I think is major is that third party developers know that Apple's customers generally expect software to behave in a certain way, something which isn't true to the same extent with Windows and other *nix systems. An example of this would be drag and drop, if a Windows application fails to handle drag and drop properly most people just dismiss the error message, restart the app and think nothing of it, after all, drag and drop is generally hit or miss with Windows apps, if an app for OS X failed to handle drag and drop properly most likely users would complain and consider it a screwup on the developer's part.

    So part of the reason is the centralized control from Apple and part of the reason is that users have come to expect little to no user interface issues which forces Apple to make good development tools and developers to put in extra effort to make sure things work.

    /Mikael

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  12. Option 4 by aitala · · Score: 4, Insightful

    4) Slashdot readers and contributors are on the geeky, bleeding edge and do not represent 90% of the population, most of whom could not care less about 'openness'.

    Eric

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  13. wrong assumptions by Tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How can a company whose philosophy of information sharing is so at odds with that of most of its customers be so successful?

    Really? The first thing you should always question is your assumptions. Does Apple have a "philosophy of information sharing" and if so, what is it?

    The company is secretive about upcoming, not-yet-available products. Which is not information that customers require in their day-to-day work anyways. As a user or as a developer, it is information about the current, existing products that you need most. And as both I've always found that to be readily available whenever I needed it.

    So how does a philosophy of "not talking (much) about unreleased ideas" merge with the mindset of a designer, artist, programmer or any other kind of creative person? Quite well. A lot of creative people don't talk (much) about their work-in-progress, either, until it's finished. Programmers are about the only kind who feel that putting a half-finished thing out for the public is the thing to do.

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  14. Subjectivity presented as fact by slim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA:

    The programs people are inspired to write for the Mac OS X operating system are routinely more elegant and useful and less annoying than their Windows counterparts.

    Quite the claim! Yet there are no examples.

    I own a Mac. I've not installed much extra software on it. But what I have installed appears very similar to its Windows equivalent.

    So can anyone give an example of what he's talking about?

    I guess iLife should be showcase software for Mac.
      - iPhoto is a confusing mess compared to Picasa
      - GarageBand has some pretty neat amp simulation software in it. But the UI is the opposite of intuitive.
      - iTunes is clumsy and inconsistent. I've been using it for over 5 years on Windows and Mac, and it still throws me curveballs.
      - I once put together a slideshow in iMovie. I still don't know what was going on.
      - iDVD is pretty easy to use. But that's because it's basically a wizard.

  15. Re:I'm off-duty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't want to start a conspiracy theory or anything, but I have a cousin who only turned bender AFTER he bought an iphone and mac book.

    Coincidence or causation? Has anyone checked the iphone source code for back-doors?

  16. Decoupling of product and user by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd argue that the "free-thinking" aspect comes from Apple's somewhat paradoxical "white box" branding.

    Let's start with design. Their products are as faceless and devoid of nonfunctional design features as possible with the exception of the Apple logo (so you have a disk drive, but not one shaped like an alien's face) and consequently the product design is rather decoupled from the user. An Alienware laptop projects a certain image, and consequently Alienware laptop users are going to disproportionately be adolescent male gamers, regardless of the hardware's usefulness as a workstation for making scientific visualisations. An Apple laptop, by virtue of being a big featureless slab of whatever it's made out of, could be used by anyone.

    Similarly the OS, hardware and so on are heavily abstracted to make it easier for the user to get on with what they're doing. It's basically a box which does some computer stuff, and if all goes well you don't need an awareness that you're using eighty yottabytes of hyper-RAM and a BMX derivative OS. All that stuff is thrown to the background in much the same way that the case design is made as bare as possible. As a result, things like hacking the OS etc. don't really enter your mind. There are apps, you run them, you get things done... ideally the software ecosystem is such that you never have to tinker around and realise that you're using a platform that's locked down.

    Now, this also goes into their corporate image, and this is where it gets really tricky. Their corporate image is the products. You are to think about the processes which went into them as little as possible. This is part of why they crack down on leaks so much. Ideally, they want you to think of the product alone. So naturally, the fact that it's probably made in some poorly-paid factory in China doesn't enter your mind. That's maybe not as true with a Microsoft-carrying machine, where you think of the Microsoft corporate entity and so on.

    Essentially, the stink of corporate is less obvious in Apple's products because they put a big fat cloaking device on the corporation. That means that self-described free thinkers, who are likely to be anti-establishment, and thus anti-corporate, and thus repelled by something with an MS logo, go with them by default.

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  17. Unwarranted Assumptions by m.ducharme · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Somebody has conflated the kind of "free-thinking creativity" of artists, designers, etc. with the kind of free-thinking of the open software movement. "free thinking" to an artist means the freedom to create her own vision without interference by anyone else, not freedom to collaborate on or elaborate someone else's vision. This artist's "free-thinking" often looks more like the Jobs method of top-down control than like the open-source movement's wide-distribution collaboration philosophy. Which isn't to say that artists never collaborate, of course.

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  18. Re:I'm off-duty by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or perhaps there are simply more openly gay people in the arts?

  19. Re:I'm off-duty by lena_10326 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, there is some correlation between creativity and homosexuality; you'll find a larger percentage of gays in art school than studying any other discipline

    I took some art courses working on an undergrad Fine Arts program at 2 different colleges and I didn't see an unusually high number of gay students. I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I suspect you're peddling bullshit stereotypes you picked up from watching some lousy TV sitcoms.

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  20. Re:status of shiny white thingys by kklein · · Score: 4, Informative

    Translation, status symbol.

    Maybe yes and maybe no. I'm a university professor and the increase in Apple logos I'm seeing facing me in class is going through the roof. I think it's over half in most classes now.

    I've seen group projects get screwed up because although the Mac, which is the underdog, has had to learn to be super-compatible with everything else, the same can't be said of Windows. So you may be hearing the result of the network effects of everyone having Macs and her use of a different OS being a stumbling block to working together easily. I most certainly have seen that.

    Don't chalk everything up to marketing. I switched to the Mac about 2 years ago, after 10 years of dismissing it as a pain in the ass. But since they've been on Intel, the amount of stuff you can do (easily) on them has really gone up. You can boot damn near any OS, and there is phenomenal virtual machine software so you don't even need to. Yes, this is only because Apple won't support their OS being used on off-the-shelf hardware, but I think a lot of people are just making the pragmatic decision that they don't really care.

    I'm not saying you should buy the girl another new computer--we're all pretty susceptible to trends when we're freshmen in college and trying desperately to fit in--but that there might be more to it.

  21. Re:Not sure in USA but in Spain... by Steauengeglase · · Score: 4, Funny

    Elitist really? You are simply jealous and I'll bet that you can't even comprehend the refinement and engineering that goes into Apple's devices, but then again, it is so hard for those so far away from the apex of technology to understand such things.

  22. It's not designed by committee by NtroP · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm as much a fan of open-source as the next guy and I've contributed to some projects and asked for features, etc. However, I find that the whole "designed by committee" that *many* open source apps have reduces the overall quality. Those OSS apps that truly shine generally have either a strong leader or a single author. You know the old saying, which is true, as well as witty; that a camel is a horse that was designed by a committee.

    As far as openness goes, Apple doesn't announce vaporware like most other companies do. This means when they announce something, they are going to sell it. Usually their products have taken old ideas and looked at them from a different angle opting for being very good at a few things rather than poor and many things. Let's face it, Cmdr Tacos' famous assessment of the original iPod is a classic example of how "the masses" would design a similar product. If Apple would release an "alpha" product to "test the waters" like so many other companies do, the iPod (and iPhone, for that matter) would have died at birth or would be so hideously deformed that it would be unrecognizable.

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  23. The CORRECT PREMISE: by sonnejw0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mac OSX GETS OUT OF MY WAY, WINDOWS KEEPS PROMPTING ME USELESSLY. OSX thus gives me more time for creative effort instead of technical troubleshooting.

    Apple's history of "just works" allows people more time for creative effort. BECAUSE it is closed, there is not as much complication to have to figure out. There's no registry, no need for scripting, and if something crashes it tends to recover on its own. THAT'S why "creative" types use it, because it allows me to REMOVE one more OBSTACLE to my workflow.
    I'm not a "creative" in the typical sense, I'm a neuroscientist. Every time my Windows XP system crashes on me, or my network didn't initiate correctly, that's wasted time, effort, and it means I need to learn a new skill set to correct the problem.

    The few times my OSX machine crash on me, it self recovers. OSX GETS OUT OF MY WAY, where as Windows and Linux KEEP PROMPTING ME WITH USELESS STUFF! The fact that fewer exploits target OSX is also a great benefit, and I don't have a billion choices for which hardware to buy so it's easier for me to choose the "best" one available to me. I don't want to spend a month figuring out if the Acer, Panasonic, or Dell is going to be the most ergonomic for my uses. With Apple, it's not even a question, because it's irrelevant insofar as I do not have a choice.

    Also, by being an "outsider", there is less push to conformity. I don't know anyone else that uses a Mac, so I'm not being told which software is the "best" or how I should organize my workflow, thus allowing me to make my own decisions about what's important. This is critical in Science, and has been shown to be important in Sociology studies of how Science gets work done. "The Neuroscience of Screwing Up"

    1. Re:The CORRECT PREMISE: by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 4, Funny

      I see your capslock key is acting up though. You might want to have Apple take a look at that for you.

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  24. Re:Not sure in USA but in Spain... by jason.sweet · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mac users are bought

    Where do I get one? Is there a code word I have to use at the Apple store? When I get it home, will it, like, you know, do "stuff" to me?

  25. Re:Not sure in USA but in Spain... by Narishma · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mac users are bought

    They sell Mac users in Spain?

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  26. Why should irony be surprising? by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As engineers, we ought to know that sometimes we want things that are contradictory. We'd like this airplane to be strong, but it also must be light. You can't have unlimited quantities of both.

    The same goes with creativity. We say we want originality, but that's not really what we are looking for most of the time. What we want is something derivative enough to be certain to work but original enough to be an improvement. Any idiot can be "original". Just take whatever is being done and do it a different way. The problem is that most different ways aren't better.

    That's why "creativity" can't be treated as a "core organizational value". It's not something you can pursue in any meaningful way. What really distinguishes "creative" organizations is that they have greater insight into their problem domains.

    Apple's most admired products each embody an insight about what the users they are after want to do. The iPod was not the first portable digital music player, nor has it ever been the best going by specs. The user interfaces on the iPods have been well designed and have featured innovations like multi-touch, but the killer feature isn't a feature at all. It's how the iPod, iTunes and iTunes store work together to make managing your media convenient.

    That said, nobody can be all things to all people. I hate the iTunes search interface to the iTunes store, because I don't use it the way Apple's target users do. I don't watch TV and don't care about being part of popular culture. I'm more interested in finding oddball, eccentric stuff. If Google ever opened a music store, that'd be for me; YouTube is more what I'm looking for. The iTunes store wants to steer me to the latest episode of whatever TV show is the rage, and discourages me from finding what I want.

    But it doesn't matter because catering to the oddball whims of very eccentric people isn't the business model for iTunes.

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  27. Re:I'm off-duty by Bakkster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You don't buy a computer because of its culture, you buy it because it serves you purposes better than other brands. For a long time, Apple made the only computers that you could do art on; the Mac was graphic when DOS was text-only.

    I'd say it's more because if you're an artistic person, you don't want to fuck around with the technicals that don't relate with what you do. You want to buy a computer that works to your specifications out of the box, because that's more time for artsy stuff. Macs fit that bill pretty well, so of course it's a good thing for the 'technical' side (Apple engineering) to be as closed as possible, letting the artists who use the product actually use it, rather than customizing or working out compatibility issues.

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  28. Re:Not sure in USA but in Spain... by Antimatter3009 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mac users are bought by those that want to distinguish themselves from the rest in terms of money or social class, more in the lines of "I can afford an Mac and you are a poor blue collar bastard"

    I really can't stand this. This line of thinking comes up at least once per Apple article anywhere on the internet, and it's always taken as truth for some reason. I own a mac that has been used in public all of once, in an airport. I own it because I prefer it to any other laptop and was ok with spending the extra cash. It has nothing to do with showing off or demonstrating my superiority. I know plenty of other people who own macs and would agree. I'm sure some people do buy them with that intention, and I wouldn't mind people saying so except that every time they do it's always referring to "mac users" instead of "some mac users". I really hate being lumped in with a group of smug assholes just because of my laptop choice.

  29. Closed toolmakers by AlpineR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Agreed. Just because the maker of a tool operates in a closed manner doesn't mean that the tool itself is closed or that users of the tool are closed-minded.

    Yamaha is closed when it comes to production of their pianos. Cross is closed when it comes to production of their pens. And Ford is closed when it comes to production of their cars. But it's no paradox that anybody is creative, productive, independent, or expressive with those pianos, pens, and cars.

    The Unix foundations of Mac OS X appeal to technology geeks. The Just Works interface appeals to artistic types who want to create without hacking or fighting the tool itself. And the high quality hardware appeals to anyone who favors reliability and sturdiness.

  30. Re:I'm off-duty by MrHanky · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wrong. Artistic people generally care a lot about technicalities, and guess what? Apple has exemplary colour management (not necessarily correct colours out of the box), which Linux just doesn't have. It's got a lot of fairly decent audio software that works well on Apple's limited range of laptops. Buying Windows is more of a risk (some times it works, some times it doesn't), and Linux is great if you have the time and knowledge to tailor-make your system to your needs. Some artists actually do that, most don't.

    Oh, and the Mac is something of a standard for graphical work. Some people feel it's easier to collaborate with others when they use the same system, just like some people think using Microsoft Office is absolutely necessary in the real world. It isn't, but it can save you from a lot of problems.

  31. Re:Not sure in USA but in Spain... by NtroP · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't take the bait. You bought what was right for you and were willing to pay for it. What you are hearing from them is jealousy, sour grapes or some other mental disorder. Let them scrabble around together at the bottom, congratulating themselves on how little they spent for their cheap plastic boxes. It obviously works for them. They think everything should be free or cheap, that they're somehow owed it. Great! There's a market there and Dell, Gateway & MS, et al are there to fill it. That's what they want, that's what they deserve, that's what they're happy with. Why they feel so strongly about our preferences and why they feel the need to attack us so vehemently is a question they probably don't want an answer to. Be true to yourself. Don't be ashamed that you can distinguish, prefer and afford quality. They're just trying to drag you down to their level, thinking it will somehow validate them and make them better. They are wrong.

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  32. Re:I'm off-duty by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Vincent Van Gogh didn't have enough talent to make decent money at it. In fact, he only sold one painting in his short life, and that was to his brother, for a pittance. But I've seen his work (photos don't do them justice) and they're indeed breathtaking.

    There's more to life than money, and how much you can earn at it bears no relation to how good an artist you are. Art is one of the disciplines that you don't expect to make money at it, just like music. One studies art and music because they love art and music, not to get rich at it.

  33. My thoughts as a Creative Professional by Damn+The+Torpedoes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've always been into computers, and was a die-hard Windows fan until the Intel macs were released. I made the switch, and haven't looked back; HOWEVER, I didn't make the switch "to be cool (as was discussed above)," nor did I make it because windows = bad, apple = good. IMHO, they're both computer industry giants whose main interest is (ding!) PROFITS.

    That being said, I'm in the "Free-thinking" business; music is what I do, it's who I am. I choose Mac, NOT because of it's affiliation with the "young, hip, etc." crowd, but because when it comes down to it, Macs are simply more stable than Windows. The MAJORITY of creative software - audio, in my case, but artwork and video as well - is run on macs. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of great software selections on PC; however, when I walk into a studio (and this also goes for film/photo editing) chances are 9/10 times the main computer will be a mac, typically running Pro Tools (which also runs on windows). The reasoning behind this lies in the fact that Pro Tools, and pretty much every major Digital Audio Workshop (DAW) runs incredibly stable on the Mac. Pro Tools doesn't even support Windows 7 yet! The thousands of high quality plug-ins out there for purchase? They all run incredibly stable on a mac, too. Why? Because Mac has become the "creative" industry standard, an attribute largely due to its stability in the first place.

    As a music professional, I take great care to make sure my data stays uncorrupted. I back up EVERYTHING multiple times, JUST in case my computer crashes/gets wiped, etc. My computer IS my office. I wouldn't be able to do what I do without one (unless I have an analog studio - anyone want to invest $30,000?). I don't need the cost-effectiveness of a PC, I need the guaranteed stability that comes with buying a mac.

    On a different note: Apple's do-it-yourself recording, filming and photo editing software is big business. It remains powerful enough to produce professional art, while remaining cheap enough for practically anyone (college hipster kids included) to purchase. Tie that into a couple generations of internet users who drown themselves in media, and what do you get? A few million you-tube directors who all want macs, because it's what the professionals use, and there's a chance in hell their parents might actually buy it for them.

  34. Bahahahaaaa!!! by garote · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That is not Window's fault that you can't figure out how to properly use a computer. It's like a guy at work the other day trying to blame Outlook / Exchange because he couldn't figure out how to make an archive properly.

    Yes. That's exactly what it's like. Blaming the computer because the computer is hard to use. If you think computers need to be hard to use, then it is YOU with the elitism problem, not Mac users.

    The few times my OSX machine crash on me, it self recovers.

    Really? When I've had OS X crash on me, it's always been a "the system is so screwed up that you have to hold the power button to turn it off" situation.

    Anecdotal evidence cannot invalidate other anecdotal evidence. Quit wasting time.

    OSX GETS OUT OF MY WAY, where as Windows and Linux KEEP PROMPTING ME WITH USELESS STUFF!

    With Windows at least, you can turn that off. You claim to be a neuroscientist but you can't take 5 seconds to find out how to turn off UAC?

    Again, the answer is Yes. And I claim to be an audio engineer, and I can't be bothered to take thirty damned minutes to figure out how to use the proprietary network driver's stilted crap UI to turn on 802.11, enter a WPA key, set my service order, and turn on DHCP. AFTER I've used the built in Windows Network UI to connect to a wireless network and had it mysteriously fail, twice, because the network driver stubbed out Windows' own API for the hardware when it was installed at the OEM.

    You know what it takes to join a new wireless network in OS X? ONE SINGLE DAMNED CLICK, on a menu whose icon LOOKS LIKE AN ANTENNA, then a password if necessary. THAT'S IT.

    Stuff like this makes a REAL difference. Take your haughty incredulity and shove it up your ass.

    If it takes you more than an afternoon to find out what the best system is, you're doing something horribly wrong, and I think you're beyond help if you spend a whole month looking for the best system.

    O RLY? As an avid bicyclist, I can tell you, that if it takes you LESS than an afternoon to purchase a new bicycle, then YOU are doing something horribly wrong; because if the decision is that easy for you, you obviously don't know enough about how to properly fit a bicycle.

    Be careful with your analogies.

    Just a note for everyone else, I use all OS's and they all have ups and downs. I have nothing against OS X, but I find this particular persons reasons for using Mac's to be pretty bogus.

    What constitutes "use" to you? Did you install 10.5 on a hackintosh for an afternoon and diddle around in TextEdit, before declaring yourself an expert on all things OS X?

    Did you know that in bash, the default shell for OS X, you can hit "ctrl-A" to move to the beginning of a long command line?
    Did you know that EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE OS X UI, even including text boxes in Safari, you can hit "ctrl-A" for the exact same behavior?

    No, you didn't.

    As I said before, stuff like this makes a real difference.

  35. Re:Not sure in USA but in Spain... by shmlco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "They put commodity parts..."

    Yeah. Because Apple doesn't tend to use higher quality caps and fans and other components than HP or Dell. Apple doesn't use Intel's high-end processors. Apple doesn't use custom formed LiPo batteries and customized power controllers. Apple doesn't design their own ASICs. Apple doesn't use custom glass trackpads or create innovative connectors (Magsafe) for use in their designs.

    And Apple doesn't create, maintain, and run it's own OS.

    Oh. Wait. They do.

    "... into slick aluminum casings."

    They are, aren't they. (grin)

    And combined with the above, that's better than 90% of the other manufacturers who shove actual commodity parts into cheap plastic cases and stuff Windows Home Edition on the hard drive....

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  36. Re:Not sure in USA but in Spain... by Risen888 · · Score: 4, Funny

    You know the GP referred to "some Mac users?" He was talking about you, douchebag.

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