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Chinese Human Rights Orgs Hit By DDoS
Oxford_Comma_Lover writes "IDG News Service is reporting that several human rights organizations focusing on China have been hit by DDoS attacks this weekend, including Chinese Human Rights Defenders and Civil Rights and Livelihood Watch. The latter works on issues of mental persecution (dissidents being thrown into mental hospitals where they were forced onto medication or beaten with electric batons) and eminent-domain type problems (seizure of farmland or urban land without compensation when the government is working on a project)."
Think it was the chinese again?
I wonder what a full-blown revolt in China would look like nowadays...there are so many people living in that country, it would be insane.
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Those damn Liberal Commies... Uhh.. Wait.. Ummm.......
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
We'll look back on this kind of persecution and vow never to let it happen again. I won't be the first one to break Godwin's Law but you know exactly where I'm headed.
I really hope this DDoS is not being sponsored by the CCP. I mean seriously, do they *want* to piss off the world? If this doesn't unite black-hats, I don't know what would. I stupid can a government be?!!
Life is not for the lazy.
After hacking Google and 34 other companies, you would think the Chinese government would lie low for a little while to let things simmer down.... not THIS.
Sheesh... a freshman in a public relations degree program would know that.
Hey, if it worked with Google, why not try that with human rights organizations?
One alternative to consider, as unlikely as it may be, is this: China [already] has a really bad rep among the online communities for openness and free speech. Some third party comes along, having assembled a botnet, and wants to further smear China's name. So they tell their botnet to attack the webpages of those who oppose China's rights abuses. The world assumes it was China and hates them all the more.
Now, before a flood of hate-replies come, let me say a few things. (1) It is less likely than not that the above scenario happened. Anyone wanting to oppose China's rights abuses wouldn't attack those pages. ("The enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality.) The perpetrator would have to hate China but not care about the rights abuses. (2) I personally think that China is responsible. This post is just a small attempt to keep people thinking rationally instead of letting their emotions take over completely. (3) We probably will never truly figure out who really did it anyways.
(((dB)))
As our government continues to remove our liberties and giving it all to itself, its only a matter of time before the New World Order strips us of our constitution and begins imposing the same treatment on us.
"Chinese Human Rights Orgs Hit By DDoS Again"?
China is giving the world the middle finger and not giving a shit about the repercussions.
Face it, corporations are hungry for dollars and one of the only markets left for them is China and the whole Google thing proved that it doesn't matter what China does, the corporations are going to fall in line and obediently do what China wants of them. Of all the companies affected by the breech only Google has spoken out - the rest are quiet and will remain so in fear of losing precious Chinese business.
China has seen that it has nothing to fear from the corporate world - the ones that give them money. They'll do whatever they want now - taking down sites and silencing opposition will only be met with silence and their homeland population is so docile that they'll never revolt so why the fuck should they care.
All browsers' default homepage should read: Don't Panic...
we've traded freedom for cheap junk from wal mart.
welcome to the bush/obama new world order.
China can sell stuff here but your blog can not be read in China.
I don't think the Chinese Government is known for public relations. They tend to specialize in public mandates.
Shame on you, shame! Bad China! Go sit in a corner.
Oh, you don't want to sit in the corner?
You're angry we called you bad?
We're so sorry, we won't say it again. We beg your forgiveness.
-Signed, the International Community.
Why not build a reverse firewall?
They have the GFW, we put the reverse GFW.
All suspicious traffic will be filtered.
All CCP official web sites like China Daily, CCTV, Xinhua, etc will be blocked.
Maybe block also all chinese internet sevice like Baidu, Youkuo etc as long as equivalent services out or China are blocked in their GFW
And periodic massive DOS attacks to the servers managing their censorship
The have it better now than anytime in their history.
There are now two Chinas. The vast majority are working poor, and are severely and even cruelly suppressed. PBS has a good documentary about 1989, which includes an extensive section on what working in China is like now, and how the country has been changing.
If you watch this documentary, you might easily see why a large number of chinese people might want to revolt, if they weren't so completely powerless.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
Google: 1 China: 1
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and iran only wants nuclear power for peaceful purposes
(rolls eyes)
there's keeping an open mind, and then there's a giant chasm of gullibility
to entertain the notion that the chinese government is not attacking chinese human rights activists through electronic means is stupefyingly naive
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
> All spelling and grammar errors are intentional. Grammar Nazis' need entertainment.
Including the one in your sig?
Is China going on the offensive? It would not be a terribly wrong move, from a warfighting perspective. Give a taste of what real cyberwar looks like, then tell your opponents to stop the pissing and moaning about what they see as reasonable information management.
But it could also be someone bent on destabilizing China. Pakistan, perhaps. The iron is hot for the striking. Perfect time to try to foment international pressure.
Or by Chinese dissidents themselves.
Who can tell?
Only us. We, information scientists, are the only soldiers that matter in this war.
We are at the beginning, the very early dawn, of the information age. This is not only true in war but in commerce as well. We are the new gods. Prepare, and begin, to demand your full account.
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E.O.Wilson wrote an essay in the late 90's suggesting China is the test case for humanity's attempts to find solutions to environmental and population problems. China as a traditional agrarian male dominated culture has moved from a practise of female infanticide to using technology to abort female foetuses. From this practise a sex ratio imbalance has arisen that some see as of little current or historical importance. The nation's one-child policy could leave 24 million bachelors by the year 2020. My own readings in history have taken on views more in line from what has been learnt from the last few decades of research in primatology. Chimpanzee behaviour favouring, figuratively speaking, male oligarchies restricting access to resources maps clearly, in my mind, onto all three, still widely practised, Mediterranean death cult religions promulgating male dominated societies. Based on China's current sex ratio imbalance the questions to be addressed probably can be set in historical, anthropological and primatological contexts.
Personally I suspect China flirted with democracy, but as is nearly always the case, power structures are not given to relinquishing dominion. Recently /. ran a story that the Chinese government replaced the movie "Avatar" with a biography of Confucius. The works of Confucius are only known by way of reconstructions, but his core message seems to have been one of a familia philosophy, strongly patriarchal, and, in that light, like the Christian, Islamic and Judaic cults that I find map well onto Chimpanzee behaviour. The core mandate of such power structures is submission and tradition. I suspect the Chinese government, if not the Chinese people, are moving away from democracy and into a tradition bound version of Confucianism, but at best it's only a superficial reading.
The discussion can go on and deeper but one current salient point should be made. Chinese society is observed to be much more family orientated than our western societies. A recent rampage killing in the international press was reported on as having happened in western societies because the killer was deranged, whereas the Chinese feedback suggested the man went on a killing spree because his family wasn't there to support him. Western society is strongly vested in the rights of the individual, China not nearly so much. If the West and China and, perhaps much of Asia, are to achieve an equilibrium than we're going to have to bridge this core cultural divide from both sides.
just my loose change.
ideopath @ play
Notice how the Roman empire fell.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
maybe even sinks a little. then all hell breaks lose
sure, everything is quiet now, and plenty support the grumpy old technocrats in beijing. because they are delivering massive economic growth. but the elite are living on borrowed time, because when things go south, and they will: no country grows economically unhindered forever, then the people will ask questions. and then the grumpy old men in beijing won't have answers, just platitudes and lies, and so the people will look to other grumpy old men to answer those questions. but since there is no peaceful way to make regime change, a la a democracy, then the government becomes increasingly seen as illegitimate by its people, and before long, beijing looks like tehran
democracy is the only form of government that manufactures legitimacy, appeasing the masses. the people vote, there's a new face, a new ideology, and everyone is happy again. but of course, discord grows again, it always does. so you repeat in a few years. this is the most powerful positive attribute of democracy: legitimacy. which leads to social stability, security, economic growth, a good environment for education: everything you hold dear. manufacturing legitimacy offsets all of democracy's messiness
in fact, the autocrats frequently talk about "harmony" being a positive value and ooh: look at how messy and full of discord democracies are. and the autocrats are absolutely right, democracies ARE messy. except that the harmony they provide is a placid lie, a pressure cooker. messiness and discord is the natural state of human politics: an ugly truth. "harmony" is the false state of mankind. we bicker, and we always will. "harmony" is borrowed time, only the calm before the storm. but apparently the grumpy old men can't see that. autocracies, no matter how orderly, inevitably decay in legitimacy over time in the eyes of the people they govern, because there's no institutionalized means of feedback like a democracy provides. so a breaking point is reached, and all hell breaks out. and then you have iran
its completely unavoidable, unless the grumpy old men in beijing prove to be the REAL geniuses they supposedly are, and transition to democracy. it's not like they haven't done every other point in the master plan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Principles_of_the_People
they have 1. the nationalism. they kicked out all the foreign parasites. they righted the shame of the british forcing opium on them. they got out from under the warlords. they united, strong and vigilant
they have 2. 'the People's welfare/livelihood'. deng xiaoping said "let a thousand flowers bloom", and they did: economic might definitely came.
now all they have left is 3. democracy. so pull the trigger already, you fuckers. it's all right there in the fucking master plan
did you forget, grumpy old men?
if the technocracts choose democracy, we are entering an age of world dominance by china, because it will be economically powerful AND stable, and i really wouldn't be bothered by it either, i'd welcome it. a change of pace from american ideological inconsistency and lack of coherence and damaged integrity on the world stage
but if the technocrats choose the tiananmen square answer to calls for democracy, china is not going to be a world power, not for a thousand years. its going to sink into discord and mediocrity and simmering anger. and i will then only say to china: serves you right. because you either give a voice to your people, or you're illegitimate. in your people's eyes, and the eyes of the world
the grumpy old men are living on borrowed time. but i haven't completely written them off. remember, we're talking about a communist party which has embraced rabid capitalism. if they can pull off that ideological dissonance, i don't see why they can't pull off the ideological dissonance of an autocracy choosing democracy
its your move, grumpy old men. choose wisely. for the sake of a billion and a half people, please, choose wisely
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Why don't we just disconnect China?
I mean it.
nothing makes my blood boil more than these condescending western attitudes that nonwestern places have a "special" culture that means they can't appreciate or don't deserve basic things like participatory democracy
as if you cross the ural mountains or the mediterranean or the rio grande and *poof*, magic!: those people over there have a "special" thousands of years of history and a deep intricate culture that apparently teaches us... somehow... drum roll please... that its ok for autocracies to commit horrible violations of basic human rights
wtf?!
human rights triumph culture. culture does not triumph human rights. nevermind the fucking braindead obvious observation that government != culture. is german culture the third reich? is russian culture the soviet union?
furthermore, its called HUMAN rights, not WESTERN rights. please, some of you morons out there: this attitude about "special" cultures needing our respect... translating in your ignorant mind as asshole governments needing to be excused of outrageous crimes... this attitude is really nothing more than soft racism
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
So remind me again why haven't we "cut the cables" to china again? they WANT to be culturally isolated, they want nothing to do with "western filth and smut" they want thier puritanical culture of blissful ignorance to the atrocities being committed in the name of control and order. So why not just cut off the internet, cut off trade, and let them live in thier own little bubble?
It would be interesting to see how many of the free speech advocates on slashdot would actually risk their own freedom for freedom of speech.
It's very easy to sit in your lazyboy and curse other countries when the worst thing that can happen is extension of the mickey mouse law...
Exception Duck - may or may not contain chicken.
Anybody but me see a possible correlation here?
Chinese Human Rights Orgs Hit By Electric Baton
The Web site of Chinese Human Rights Defenders, an advocacy group, was hit by a distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack ...
The group said it could not confirm the origin of the attackers but called the Chinese government the most likely suspect.
I applaud advocacy groups who are uniquely acquitted to not only advocate but also possess the secondary capability of network sleuthing.
Although some evidence/proof wouldn't hurt their bold assertion.
And should be treated as such.
China was and has always firmly been among the "Third World."
Please....where was your interpretation when China was mapping the globe - for the first time... inventing celestial navigation, gunpowder, the sundial and writing encyclopedias covering everything from bio-science, to zoology?
China once led the planet in many ways...she wants that well-deserved mantle back and small minds like yours will matter not...once again.
'Cause I'd really appreciate all that.
He put his boots up on the table and made a face. "The sig," he smirked. "You can waste your life in search of the sig."
How do you initiate a DDoS from China is it's censored in China?
As another person pointed out, if the DDOS is coming from China, but the sites are firewalled by the China government then the conclusion is only the China government could be doing it since end users are blocked. I think the term is hoisted on their own petard.
some people, rightfully, fear moral absolutism, that it can quickly backslide into ethnocentric judgments of other cultures. but i'm not arguing for the imposition of mcdonalds on china (although, ironically, plenty of genuine mainland chinese are doing that), i'm arguing for the basics: human rights
so what i ask all of the so-called moral relativists in the west out there to consider, when they see in my words the ugly visage of ethnocentrism, that instead they put aside their fears and see that i am simply arguing for a flat playing field on questions of basic human decency worldwide. another culture does not excuse violations of human rights
where do you stand on clitorectomies? if you are against them, is it simply because you are a hopelessly ethnocentric westerner and don't understand african culture? or is it because your basic sense of human decency, having nothing to do with you being western, finds them offensive? not every impulse your mind has has at its roots western-centric thinking. no, you are not simply the product of your culture, you're also a product of your humanity, which transcends culture
we are all human beings. a chinese can share the same revulsion at clitorectomies, for the same reasons, that you do. see that? its called shared humanity. recognize that it is a valid impulse, and it is a valid framework for what can be called moral absolutism: judgments that transcend all cultures, coherently and validly. for example: footbinding is a dead chinese tradition. its been wiped out, by the chinese. has this destroyed chinese culture? does a modern chinese person feel like the wiping out of footbinding is simply the result of westerners revulsed at the practice? so if you are revulsed at footbinding, are you simply hopelessly western? a modern chinese is equally revulsed, correct? so its not western ethnocentrism at work when you judge footbinding, or clitorectomies. meanwhile, if a chinese of the 1700s saw in american slavery something disgusting, are they being ethnocentric? furthermore, would it be valid for an american to argue that slavery is just a part of american culture, and therefore outsiders have no right to judge? this is a false defense, that abrogates a basic sense of human decency: crying "culture" to defend violations of human rights is logically incoherent and invalid
the chinese themselves grew out of footbinding, out of a sense of humanity. the american themselves defeated slavery, out of a sense of humanity. maybe africans can grow beyond clitorectomies too. so stand up, and speak the simple truth of our shared humanity: clitorectomies are wrong. you're not a westerner when you say that, you are a human being when you say that. when you hesitate to judge clitorectomies, meanwhile, you are spineless, and without morality, you are failing to live up to your HUMAN conscience
when you hesitate to condemn vile excesses of some cultures, i ask that you consider that your hesitance is a failure, not a strength. moral relativism is a failed ideology. again, on SIMPLE questions that should be obvious to you: participatory democracy, for example
but its not like i have to really defend myself. any iranian or chinese know what i am talking about. a lot of western moral relativists just live in these hermetically sealed ivory towers, and cast judgment from on far. they aren't defending real iranisn or real chinese from western ethnocentrism. they're just confused and clueless. moral relativism is false, and a failure to have a human conscience
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it