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Hackers Attack AU Websites To Protest Censorship

An anonymous reader writes "A band of cyber-attackers has taken down the Australian Parliament House website and hacked Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's website in coordinated protests against government plans to filter the Internet. The group responsible, called Anonymous, is known for coordinated Internet attacks against Scientology and other groups in the past. It recently turned its attention against the AU government after it said in December that it would block access to sites featuring material such as rape, drug use, bestiality and child sex abuse."

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  1. That'll teach 'em. by darkvizier · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm sure parliament is trembling in their shoes about now. They cannot hope to stand against anonymous. Who can possibly save them? Maybe... batman...

    1. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Asic+Eng · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not sure if it's a good idea to protest censorship by limiting others' speech. Apart from that I think it will more likely create the impression of the "scary evil hackers who need to be controlled by law". I'd like to feel happy about this event since I agree with the anti-censorship sentiment, but I'm afraid it will actually do more harm than good.

    2. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 5, Funny

      Batman's a shady character with a troubled past, lots of toys, and teenage boy partner who he dresses in tights. The cry for help would never make it past the filter.

    3. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Batman? NOT. Batman would be chewed up and eaten by Anonymous. They are made up of Predators and aliens. together they would chew up Batman and eat him, using his bones as toothpicks.....

      P.S. Dont kill one of the Anonymous predators. they will explode wiping out a 10 city block area...

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    4. Re:That'll teach 'em. by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yeah, there's nothing quite like a citizens right to child porn and bestiality. The government - they are oppressing our civil rights!

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    5. Re:That'll teach 'em. by clone53421 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Censorship is like violence. If it doesn’t solve the problem, use more.

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    6. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I have to agree with you there. I am not one for censorship but limiting child porn, rape, bestiality from being easily accessible is a good move. Someone out there will pipe up that it does not stop the behavior, and I agree. But at least it will prevent it from becoming an "industry" like the porn industry than just fringe criminals.

    7. Re:That'll teach 'em. by VShael · · Score: 1

      "By that rational, every billionaire with a funfair in his background would be a suspect!
      And that's not the kind of world I want to live in!" -- Michael Jackson.

    8. Re:That'll teach 'em. by justinjstark · · Score: 5, Informative
      This isn't just about child pornography and beastiality. The Australian government is also trying to censor pornography including women with small boobs and female ejaculation.

      Senator Joyce claimed that publications featuring small-breasted women were encouraging paedophilia.

    9. Re:That'll teach 'em. by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 3, Informative

      lol... Senator Joyce is an idiot who was even refuted by his own party on economic policy, and he's the shadow treasurer. He's in opposition and is not part of the government of the day, just so you know.

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    10. Re:That'll teach 'em. by clone53421 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yet, he’s a senator...

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    11. Re:That'll teach 'em. by harry666t · · Score: 1

      > that's not the kind of world I want to live in

      He's dead, so his problem seems to be solved.

    12. Re:That'll teach 'em. by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      remember: this system will still be there when his party next gets into power.
      Then he'll add everything he wants to the blacklist.

    13. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Knara · · Score: 1

      Not if Batman had prep time...

    14. Re:That'll teach 'em. by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Not sure if it's a good idea to protest censorship by limiting others' speech.

      We don't have to tolerate the intolerant.

    15. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Amorymeltzer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes indeed, very true. Just like how Dr. King's assassination solved racial inequities and Ted Kennedy's death harbored in a comprehensive new health care system.

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    16. Re:That'll teach 'em. by SlayerofGods · · Score: 4, Funny

      According to Fiona Patten, Convenor of the Australian Sex Party: "We are starting to see depictions of women in their late 20s being banned because they have an A cup size."

      You know I've been an independent my whole life but I think I've finally found a party I could really get behind ;)

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    17. Re:That'll teach 'em. by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      First off, good luck censoring the Internet. Unless you're willing to modify fundamental network protocols, Australia can join the ranks of failed governments/corporations/ISPs who have tried and failed to censor content on the Internets.

      I.e., censorship isn’t going to solve the problem. That was my original point.

      If we allow the powers-that-be to decide that censorship is the tool to use, when it doesn’t solve the problem they’ll just use more censorship.

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    18. Re:That'll teach 'em. by clone53421 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think I've finally found a party I could really get behind

      So many possibilities...

      under... on top of... into... in bed with...

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    19. Re:That'll teach 'em. by C0vardeAn0nim0 · · Score: 1

      the politicians just have to wait. anonymous does it "for the lulz". as soon as they get their fix, the kids will get bored and go back to the chans and fap to pictures of dead women or diseased breasts.

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    20. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Asic+Eng · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hmm - no I don't think I agree. Free speech is useless unless it applies to everyone, no matter how much we may agree with their ideas.

    21. Re:That'll teach 'em. by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      Well, that makes all the difference now, I was all for what they were doing, but now, I just can't stand female ejaculation, especially when it's my GF that is doing it all over me...
      I mean come on, why would we want to see it on the internet, like anyone would find that really, really, REALLY HOT.

      "Squirt 'em if you got 'em"

    22. Re:That'll teach 'em. by zill · · Score: 1

      I am not one for censorship but limiting child porn, rape, bestiality from being easily accessible is a good move.

      You're contradicting yourself here. "limiting X from being easily accessible" is synonymous to "censorship of X".

    23. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Facegarden · · Score: 2

      This isn't just about child pornography and beastiality.

      The Australian government is also trying to censor pornography including women with small boobs and female ejaculation.

      Senator Joyce claimed that publications featuring small-breasted women were encouraging paedophilia.

      Yeah, that's the part that's got me pissed off. Trying to block bestiality is one thing (which i still don't really agree with blocking), but small-breasted *adult* women? That's fucking insane. I love small breasts, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna go touching some underage child. If anything, its because I like *skinny* girls, and they often have small breasts.

      If am labeled a pedophile because I am attracted to skinny women, then a *huge* percentage of men would be labeled pedophiles. I know not everyone likes the skinny look, but its certainly not uncommon.

      Its reasoning like the small boobs=pedophile that makes me *hate* politicians.
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    24. Re:That'll teach 'em. by paeanblack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's not to say we shoudln't pro-actively target those who want to rape children and post pictures of it.

      No matter how heinous and vile any particular crime may be, pro-actively targeting someone for merely wanting to do something is far, far more evil.

    25. Re:That'll teach 'em. by AHuxley · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://apcmag.com/now-conroy-wants-google-to-filter-youtube-in-australia.htm
      "Now Conroy wants Google to filter YouTube in Australia"
      He was in talks with google to give Australia a China, Thailand deal.
      "he is hoping Google will voluntarily do the job for him"

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    26. Re:That'll teach 'em. by sjames · · Score: 1

      I don't want to view either of those. I also don't want someone looking over my shoulder making sure I don't, that's just creepy. I especially don't want to grant random government officials a magic tag they can stick on practically anything they want gone with no way for the people to make sure the tag fits.

      The latter is hardly unprecedented. It's no secret that the one thing blocked with ALL tags in the various censorship programs is websites pointing out their flaws. Websites that contained absolutely none of the things they were tagged with. How long can it be before a site like votethebumsout.com or censorshipiswrong.com (made up examples) gets tagged as bestial child porn?

    27. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1

      Who can possibly save them? Maybe... batman...

      Clearly, you don't know our history. Batman "discovered" Victoria (while the French were trying to find water in Westernport). Bought it from the locals for beads and mirrors.

      Bit like Manhattan really. The natives got the better end of the deal.

      Yeah, I know how could he discover an occupied land? Go figure - didn't Christopher Columbus discover America - oh wait, was it Eric The Red, no, um, wasn't it already occupied

      Back on thread - In Canberra today....

      Volante and CSG onsite techs at Parliament House and Group Eight sites are flat out dealing with complaints about lack of access to youtube, Google Earth, youporn.... ;-p

    28. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 2, Informative
      What are you saying? He doesn't control any votes? Take a wander around Parliament House between sessions - try the restaurant. Listen to how many members are trying to guess which move will get him on side....

      Being an idiot doesn't disqualify him from influence - quite the reverse. Logic is an ineffective argument with him.

    29. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Free speech

      "Free speech" requires rights - it's an American term, derived from a Bill of Rights (correct me if I'm wrong). Whereas here, in Australia, which is a "monarchiac democracy", we have NO Bill of Rights. Further, our Constitution only grants us "the right to free trade between states" - which is arguably not the case.

    30. Re:That'll teach 'em. by VoltageX · · Score: 2, Informative

      Which Senator Joyce would that be? I only know of one, and he's batshit insane.

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    31. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Falconhell · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ah, informative but wrong. Joe Hockey is shadow treasurer. Joyce is shadow finance minister.

    32. Re:That'll teach 'em. by twostix · · Score: 1

      The coalition just spent 12 years in power and despite pressure for this from various angles never gave it much notice, instead telling people to install their own software.

      The left wing come into power and it's pretty much first on the agenda.

      And somehow on the boards like this, it still gets twisted to be about the right wing.

      Cognitive dissonance.

    33. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Rophuine · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Currently, people in the market for materials like child porn go to sites which carry it. It's not really that hard to find (so they say, to justify the blacklist.) Police get warrants to monitor sites as they're found (judicial oversight!), then pounce and lock up both the producers and the people who create the market.

      Now, create a fence around the web, making sure people can't get to these places at all. Nary an immoral thought to be found on the web! (Who decides? No oversight.) What's a child-pornographer to do? They won't just stop: they'll look for alternate means to distribute. So, it goes further underground (already, some of these bad industries are using VPNs to keep traffic better-hidden and encrypted.) No more warrants (because it's harder to intercept, and harder to prove it SHOULD be intercepted), and it's not just the technically-capable and paranoid who avoid getting caught: suddenly, you're creating a strong drive for ALL of these bad guys to use anti-detection technologies like this. No more low-hanging fruit, and more kids who never get rescued. Sure, it's harder to find: but it's still out there.

      It's kind of like the gun debate: you only keep the guns out of the hands of the honest ones. In the gun debate, that's a fallacy: honest people still decide to carry guns, and they still sometimes end up shooting people. Honest people don't decide to casual-carry child porn: the only market is the baddies anyway. And they'll get it anyway. And now, we won't catch them.

    34. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Rophuine · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not all asians are A-cups, you insensitive clod!

      Some of them are Bs.

    35. Re:That'll teach 'em. by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Freedom of speech doesn't necessarily entail that a particular platform must be given for that speech. E.g., if my ISP decides it doesn't want to host my site, people generally wouldn't say it's a freedom of speech issue, unless I'm prevented from ever saying that on any site.

      I'm sure that if the politicians put the info on their personal websites, they could still do so - the attack seems to be against the Parliamentary website. "Parliament" is not a person, so doesn't have rights in that sense.

      There is the wider issue of if and when illegal actions are justified as a means of political protest - but I don't see that there's any worry of hypocrisy or infringing anyone's speech here.

    36. Re:That'll teach 'em. by seamonkey420 · · Score: 1
      agreed.

      sadly politicians are the most out of touch with technology and current trends and the last ones we want to 'enforce' morality on the net.

      some of the shit they do just amazes me in how idiotic/illogical it is. sorry, i'd bring up examples but you can just read the usual world news headlines (ie the recent world recession... yea, they sure were looking out for us constituents, NOT!)

    37. Re:That'll teach 'em. by psithurism · · Score: 2, Funny

      Senator Joyce claimed that publications featuring small-breasted women were encouraging paedophilia

      That slippery slope could go both ways. I mean, don't those monster fatties encourage bestiality?

    38. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Cassius+Corodes · · Score: 1

      Our constitution gives us a number of rights rights, ie. freedom of religion, trial by jury see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_constitution#Protection_of_rights.

      Furthermore, according to the high court its gives us implied rights as well, but these could use a bit of enshrining :(

      Also we are not called a monarchic democracy, I don't know where you got this from - we are a constitutional monarchy (i.e. the monarch is the head of state but is bound by the constitution to mostly perform ceremonial roles) with parliamentary democracy as the government.

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    39. Re:That'll teach 'em. by martinux · · Score: 1

      Batman's come through for Oz in the past. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Batman

    40. Re:That'll teach 'em. by deniable · · Score: 1

      Shadow finance minister, actually. Not a position you'd give a clown like Barnaby.

    41. Re:That'll teach 'em. by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

      Wow, troll? Hardly. I love it when mods try to stifle debate - ironic that this is all about freedom of expression.

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    42. Re:That'll teach 'em. by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

      Doh! I stand corrected.

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    43. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Joakal · · Score: 1

      Here's the list of party positions on the issues: http://shockseat.com/communications/internet-filtering-scheme You can easily see that Labor and Liberal want some form of internet filtering scheme in Australia. I plan to raise awareness of this duopolistic positions on other issues over time. Australia has some advantage over USA in politics in that our vote can get transferred to the next party if the party does not have sufficient out-right win (I'll write how it works soon). /disclaimer, I own and started the site recently

    44. Re:That'll teach 'em. by GoochOwnsYou · · Score: 1

      Although the proposed censorship crimes mentioned are heinous (seriously child crimes are so wrong on many levels), we need to be wary of people who have ulterior motives to stifle the free flow of information.

      If you have seen the blacklist you know its already too late there.

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    45. Re:That'll teach 'em. by mjwx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Senator Joyce

      Barnaby Joyce is a member of the opposition, not the ruling government. Joyce is the second largest reason the coalition will not be elected this year, they are a party of extreme religious nutcases (right and left, our parties arent divided along those lines for the yanks playing along at home). The moderate liberals (I use the term "moderate" lightly) like Hockey have already threatened to cross the floor over one populist issue or another.

      This is for the people who think voting liberal will fix the issue of censorship, Joyce is proof that it wont. If you want to help against censorship you need to vote against individauls like Conroy, Atkinson and Lundy in state electoins and vote for moderate independents or minor parties like the Greens and Xenofon in federal elections. With fewer extremists Rudd will simply make desisions based on what is popular, could we say the same about Abbot.

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    46. Re:That'll teach 'em. by kalirion · · Score: 1

      IIRC an Asian "B-cup" is the same as a normal "A-cup".

    47. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Cassius+Corodes · · Score: 1

      Well to take this into the depth of pedantry - sections 40, 80 and 116 specifically give the right to vote (at least if you can in the states), trial by jury and religious freedom. While they don't specifically have the word "right" neither do most of the ones in the US bill of rights...

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    48. Re:That'll teach 'em. by dbIII · · Score: 1

      It's mostly about grubby political deals with the loony right in the senate which is where the right wing aspect comes in. It doesn't help that Conroy is a fairly nasty piece of work that wants to do this as well. He's so nasty that he blamed standard procedures designed to stop the government getting sued as "a lesbian cabal plotting to stop the national broadband network".
      The previous government just did busy work and a very silly blacklist full of errors (dentists, dog kennels etc). This government is about action in all areas unlike their indolent predecessors, but unfortunately some action shouldn't be carried out until there is enough time to show it is in the public interest. Here they don't care if the net is broken in any way so long as some short term political goal is reached.

    49. Re:That'll teach 'em. by walshy007 · · Score: 1

      Australia has some advantage over USA in politics in that our vote can get transferred to the next party if the party does not have sufficient out-right win

      Advantage? it's ridiculous, because in the end all of the votes for the smaller parties wind up going to one of the big two anyway, which do as they please regardless

      Example, I once voted for the shooting party (mainly because of their "make people take responsibility for their actions and don't nanny me" attitude) their votes were passed onto the boating and outdoors party, which hold similar views. Their votes were passed onto rudd, which really doesn't give two hoots about peoples ability to enjoy the outdoors or target shooting. This is wrong.

    50. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Wizarth · · Score: 1

      Not least because having all YouTube traffic go through a proxy/filter would dramatically up the hardware requirements.

    51. Re:That'll teach 'em. by daver00 · · Score: 1

      I'm too lazy to dig it up now, but there was a quote floating around the place from the censorship board in which they confirmed that if a girl appears to be underage, the content is refused classification. So yes, they do actively censor women with small breasts.

    52. Re:That'll teach 'em. by daver00 · · Score: 1

      I've tried pointing this out to people before, but usually it falls on deaf ears: The left wing is the side of the political fence which is traditionally associated with censorship, control and social conformity.

    53. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Xest · · Score: 1

      It really depends how independent the media is.

      If the media is controlled by the government in Australia, which seems unlikely, then it can indeed spin it that way. If however the media is independent and objective, then they should really report both that it was hacked, and why it was hacked, and as such will bring attention to the issue which should really be a good thing.

      If the media is independent, but pro-Rudd, then yes, this will likely backfire, otherwise it shouldn't hurt.

    54. Re:That'll teach 'em. by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      I would like to state that I had no knowledge of what party he was or what right/left/liberal/consercvative affiliation he was, merely that he was the oposition and that his views were crazy and that some day his guys will be in power with a blacklist they can add whatever they want to.

    55. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      It's also a human rights term, as defined by the UN declaration of human rights. Apart from that it's a general concept which you can support or oppose - e.g. you could say you want free speech in Australia, even though it's not a constitutional right (but ought to be).

    56. Re:That'll teach 'em. by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1

      I'll have to look up the UN agreement. Good point. Apparently international treaties take precedence over our constitution. eg. Cannabis criminalization not being subject to the usual conditions of "enforceable/workable" law and "innocence until proven guilty" (reversal of onus), and "double jeopardy (get convicted once, punished many times/forever). From memory "free speech" requires the ability to listen and read unencumbered....

  2. Do you agree? by LordAzuzu · · Score: 1

    I don't agree about censoring drug-related sites, but about the other contents...

    1. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      So you should see why it’s a bad idea...

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    2. Re:Do you agree? by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Depends in what context, especially when it comes down to who defines the context (are photos of naked children in the bath CP?), bestiality was legal in the netherlands until recently.. I won't even get into the cartoons or fictional stories questions.

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    3. Re:Do you agree? by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh it's easy to pick out a few things and say "these, these are ok to put on the blacklist"

      The problem being of course that once there *is* a blacklist, esspecially one which nobody is allowed to see or even talk about then pretty soon other things start getting added to the backlist and after a while you might as well just move to china.

      Lets look at it from the fundamentalist crazy point of view....
      "Abortion = murder and well murder is worse than rape and murdering children is worse than raping them"... them so pro abortion sites quickly end up on the list.

      and so on and so on.

      Given the real world examples of exactly this kind of situation is anyone here going to try to argue that this isn't a *real* slipppery slope?

    4. Re:Do you agree? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      I don't agree censoring any of them. Someone viewing these videos does no harm to any individuals (except for perhaps themselves) - and the less you try and force those kinds of industries out of the public eye the less they will try to hide their activities, making them easier to stop, if its illegal in your country.

      Sweeping it under the rug does nothing to help anybody.

    5. Re:Do you agree? by LordAzuzu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As long as the list is publicy managed, this shouldn't be a problem. Obviously, no way it can happen in the real world.

    6. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As long as the list is publicy managed, this shouldn't be a problem.

      Yeah, then if anything gets on the list that shouldn’t be censored, people will find out... oh wait, no they won’t. That would require visiting the site and seeing whether or not it had illegal stuff on it, and I can’t do that if the site is censored.

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    7. Re:Do you agree? by maxume · · Score: 1

      In the case were the individuals depicted are not willing participants, viewing the material violates their privacy.

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    8. Re:Do you agree? by HungryHobo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which they never do because (this is the argument) if you let everyone see what's on the list then it's just a guide to pedophiles for where they can get child porn.

      So tell me.
      With a publicly managed system in a country where downloading *list of bad things* or attempting to access any site on the blacklist is a serious crime how exactly does any particular member of the public check the contents of any site on the list without risking jail time?
      (bonus points: work this out without also demonstrating how useless the blacklist really is for it's intended purpose.)

    9. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      A violation of someone’s privacy, in of itself, is not harm.

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    10. Re:Do you agree? by maxume · · Score: 1

      Fuck that.

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    11. Re:Do you agree? by NitroWolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't agree about censoring drug-related sites, but about the other contents...

      The submitter of this article is a cock for including that summary, as is the editor who greenlit it.

      Anonymous is not protesting this because the AU government is proposing censorship of "rape, drug use, bestiality and child sex abuse." They are doing it because they are proposing censoring "small breasted women" (because, you know, small breasted women MIGHT be under 18), among other things.

      They are lashing out at the “ambiguity” of the often-used term “unwanted content”, the Australian Government is trying to crack down on pornography featuring female ejaculation and women with small breasts... yes, those things that are a threat to modern society. I mean, if females start ejaculating, we are all doomed!

      So the entire article is a load of shit. I expect better from Slashdot editors than greenlighting a load of sensationalist horseshit about a technical issue.

    12. Re:Do you agree? by StillNeedMoreCoffee · · Score: 1

      Shades of the 50's when organizations got books banned from libraries. Same group different era. Oh and yes we need to ban any reference to the Bible because of the references in the book to incest (Lot and his daughters), Ban it!

    13. Re:Do you agree? by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      even if it is a violation of privacy how many of the basic elements of a free society are you willing to throw in the shitter for the sake of reassuring the victims that while the creepy wierdos are still looking at their pictures just as much despite the laws and the censorship, at least everyone elses privacy is being invaded just as much now....

    14. Re:Do you agree? by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's a red herring. If people do not have a reasonable assurance of privacy, they don't live in a free society.

      So it isn't about protecting the ideals, it is about balancing the inevitable compromises of those ideals. Certainly there will be a vigorous discussion about where that balance lies, but it is very much a discussion of the compromises that must be accepted, not a discussion about the evil of compromise itself.

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    15. Re:Do you agree? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      That being the case - lets take Google maps off the net. While we're at it, you can no longer take photos at Disneyland or the Grand Canyon, should you accidentally capture someone in the photo.

      I think this is one case where giving up a little liberty to gain a little security ACTUALLY means you gain neither and lose both.

    16. Re:Do you agree? by Knara · · Score: 1

      So the entire article is a load of shit. I expect better from Slashdot editors than greenlighting a load of sensationalist horseshit about a technical issue.

      I'd think that, with as low a UID as you have, that you'd be used to the slashdot editors finding the most misleading and inaccurate summary of all the submissions to select for posting.

    17. Re:Do you agree? by maxume · · Score: 1

      You are equating someone considered an adult walking around in public with someone considered a child being abused?

      Really?

      No, really?

      Seriously?

      It isn't about gaining security, it is about ensuring the liberty of everyone (surely child abuse violates the freedom of the child). We can disagree about what measures are acceptable, but it is a matter of balancing the rights of everyone involved, not a matter of slinging about platitudes.

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    18. Re:Do you agree? by pizzap · · Score: 1

      Normally bans like that include not only video, but fotos, drawings, comics, written stories, computer games, ... It's really hard to say what any given government will ban once they have the infrastructure to do so in place.

    19. Re:Do you agree? by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      If people do not have a reasonable assurance of privacy, they don't live in a free society.

      So in order to prevent this invasion of privacy we're going to inspect the information that everyone sends and recieves to make sure that privacy isn't violated.

      In other news to prevent theft the government is going to confiscate everyones property so that it can be kept somewhere safe and to prevent evesdropping the government is going to listen in on everyones phone conversations.

    20. Re:Do you agree? by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      never mind certain commands to soldiers to kill all the adults and males and keep the young girls for themselves.
      That is kind of creepy book really.

    21. Re:Do you agree? by maxume · · Score: 1

      Where did I say that, or anything resembling that?

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    22. Re:Do you agree? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      All I'm saying is that censoring the media involved in violating the freedom of the child does nothing to stop the violation.

    23. Re:Do you agree? by jayme0227 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      because, you know, small breasted women MIGHT be under 18

      It wasn't even that, it was that small breasted women LOOKED like they were under 18. The logic is along the lines of banning cartoons displaying children (even the Simpsons) participating in sex acts. Because they look like they are underage, then it is Kiddy Porn because they are targeting people who want to see young people naked.

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    24. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The whole issue is a red herring. Looking at a picture isn’t a violation of someone’s privacy because taking the picture was the violation of their privacy. Lost privacy can’t be regained, and privacy you no longer have can’t be violated.

      The whole issue is a red herring thrown up to avoid the fact that what happened happened and there’s fuck-all we can do about it.

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    25. Re:Do you agree? by maxume · · Score: 1

      It prevents further violation of their privacy.

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    26. Re:Do you agree? by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      child abuse violates the freedom of the child.
      absolutley.

      But censorship in no way un-violates the freedom of that child.
      it gains nothing.
      it achieves nothing.
      it help nobody.

      The pictures are out there and they don't stop being out there.

    27. Re:Do you agree? by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      You seem to be incapable of getting this fairly easy to understand piece of information:
      no it doesn't.

      Those things remain out there on darknets, in basements and getting passed around by creepy wierdos.
      Filtering everyones internet does nothing, absolutley nothing to stop those guys.

      All it does is violate everybody elses privacy.

    28. Re:Do you agree? by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      That is what the blacklist is.

    29. Re:Do you agree? by maxume · · Score: 1

      Or I simply have a different view of what privacy is than you do.

      (You are construing my comments as being in support of this particular system, but that is your problem, my comments are simply an argument against an absolutist view of censorship)

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    30. Re:Do you agree? by stonewallred · · Score: 1

      Lol, Australia, which already censors many mainstream video games. I don't think the dumbfucks in the government actually reflect most Aussies views, from the ones I have met.

    31. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Or I simply have a different view of what privacy is than you do.

      Clearly.

      Someone sees a picture of me that shouldn’t have been taken, that I can’t ever un-take, and that people will continue to look at and distribute even if this particular someone hadn’t been able to find it: A violation of my privacy.

      Someone monitors all of my internet use, making sure that I don’t visit any sites that I shouldn’t: Not a violation of my privacy.

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    32. Re:Do you agree? by maxume · · Score: 1

      I'm not supporting total internet monitoring.

      I'm simply supporting the idea that some censorship is o.k. (the first post I replied to pretty much rejected all censorship), so that if the government finds a computer being used to distribute the material, they can seize it and destroy it (both are acts of censorship).

      I guess it is possible to believe that the one inevitably leads to the other, but I don't.

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    33. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      I'm simply supporting the idea that some censorship is o.k.

      You can’t censor some things without examining all of them.

      if the government finds a computer being used to distribute the material, they can seize it and destroy it (both are acts of censorship).

      I don’t think very many people would call those acts of censorship. Sort of like not many people are complaining about inmates’ and felons’ civil rights – to life, liberty, the persuit of happiness; to vote, to own guns, etc. – being trampled.

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    34. Re:Do you agree? by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      Oh it's not inevitable.
      No absolutes after all.
      There's a slim chance.... really really slim.

    35. Re:Do you agree? by maxume · · Score: 1

      Why wouldn't they call it censorship? Some terrible misunderstanding of what the word means?

      And if you had a clear discussion with people (one where you worked to eliminate the ambiguity of language), I think most people would agree that convicts and felons are stripped of their rights, but that it is an acceptable component of their punishment, not a trampling (just as the destruction of child porn is an acceptable form of censorship).

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    36. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      most people would agree that convicts and felons are stripped of their rights, but that it is an acceptable component of their punishment, not a trampling (just as the destruction of child porn is an acceptable form of censorship).

      But violating everyone’s rights and freedom is never an acceptable form of censorship.

      Censorship isn’t always wrong solely because it’s censorship.

      Censorship which violates people’s rights and/or freedoms is always wrong because it violates their rights and/or freedoms, and when most people think of “censorship” this is what they think of.

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    37. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      This would also deal with videos of rape, attack, etc.

      ...where “etc.” also includes pictures that somebody took at Disney Land with me happening to be in the picture, yes.

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    38. Re:Do you agree? by stwrtpj · · Score: 1

      As long as the list is publicy managed, this shouldn't be a problem. Obviously, no way it can happen in the real world.

      So instead of censorship imposed by the government, you'd have a censorship imposed by a tyrrany of the majority.

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    39. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Numbers 31:13-18:

      Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.

      “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. “They were the ones who followed Balaam”s advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.”

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    40. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      If your mother enters a private amusement park then she is almost certainly giving implicit consent for others to take pictures containing her where she is not the main focus.

      Oh really?

      The point here is that the redistributors shouldn't be favoured by the law just because your mother was knifed rather than raped, or because she was an adult rather than a kid.

      The point here is that banning depictions of a crime taking place is stupid and doesn’t prevent crime.

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    41. Re:Do you agree? by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Ahem.

      They warred against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every male.
      They killed the kings of Midian with the rest of their slain, Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba, the five kings of Midian. And they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword.
      And the people of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones, and they took as plunder all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods.
      All their cities in the places where they lived, and all their encampments, they burned with fire,
      and took all the spoil and all the plunder, both of man and of beast.
      Then they brought the captives and the plunder and the spoil to Moses, and to Eleazar the priest, and to the congregation of the people of Israel, at the camp on the plains of Moab by the Jordan at Jericho.
      Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the chiefs of the congregation went to meet them outside the camp.
      And Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the commanders of thousands and the commanders of hundreds, who had come from service in the war.
      Moses said to them, "Have you let all the women live?
      Behold, these, on Balaam’s advice, caused the people of Israel to act treacherously against the LORD in the incident of Peor, and so the plague came among the congregation of the LORD.
      Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him.
      But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.

      Numbers 30:7-18

    42. Re:Do you agree? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "I expect better from Slashdot editors than greenlighting a load of sensationalist horseshit about a technical issue."

      I was going to say 'You must be new here' but considering your UID I'll just assume you're brain-dead.

      --
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    43. Re:Do you agree? by Nuskrad · · Score: 1

      Where possible, inform the site owners of the reason the site is being blocked, and give them a right of appeal. Also, tell people they are visiting a blocked site and give them information on why it was blocked and what to do if they think it was blocked in error. That'd still allow sites to be 'legitimately' blocked where they violate the law, but hopefully prevent chilling effects of restricting free speech.

      Do I get the points?

    44. Re:Do you agree? by HungryHobo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1: Asuuming you have contact info for the site owners and that they have time,care or can afford to give up anonymity to appeal.
      This is a big deal for political speach, with a focus on the kind where people feel the need to remain anonymous to avoid becoming part of amnesty internationals statistics.

      2: Assuming that people who type in an address and see a
      "The site you are trying to access has been blacklisted for containing child pornography, your IP has been logged, remain where you are until officers collect you"
      message will be willing to publicly state that they ever saw that message ever.

      3: Lets say the appeal turns out to be a kangaroo court setup.
      How exactly will the owners or people who liked to read about Tiananmen Square go about publicising that they've been wronged?
      Publishing the address of a site on the blacklist is illegal.

      4: Who's double checking?
      when some random user emails to complain that some forum they use got blacklisted who exactly is responsible for double checking it?
      the same people who added it in the first place?
      their friends?

      5: that's a big hopefully.

    45. Re:Do you agree? by GumphMaster · · Score: 1

      The Minister concerned, Stephen Conroy, was interviewed by the satirical "current affairs" programme Hungry Beast (aired 10 Feb). When asked about how the blacklist could possibly deal with something like YouTube where thousands of things _someone_ will find offensive can pop up in instant his response was enlightening. He stated that they (the Govt.) were in negotiations with Google about how this could be achieved. He went on to say that Google already filter substantial content for the Govt. of China, and that all we are saying is "these are our laws", please help enforce them. I think he completely missed the obvious problems with using China as an example.

      I expect that, in the fullness of time, average Joe will be unable to find information on how Australia treats asylum seekers, the dark underside of European treatment of the indigenous inhabitants of the country, any information on how to circumvent the filter, and anything else that's politically unpalatable. Not because the current Govt. intends to, but ultimately because they can.

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    46. Re:Do you agree? by Nuskrad · · Score: 1

      Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't agree with censorship at all. I just think there are ways the authorities can do it and be less suspicious in their motives. But yeah, slippery slope and all that

    47. Re:Do you agree? by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It not about agreeing, censorship is bad no matter what.

      Using ISP's to check traffic is kind of like stopping people on the road and checking their identification papers, to ensure they're citizens or have the legal right to be on the roads. It may be effective compliance technique, but it's egregiously inappropriate behaviour on the part of any government. People do not like to be searched, however innocent they be.

      So stay out of my briefcase. There's nothing illegal in there. I have nothing to hide, but those papers are mine and mind your own business!

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    48. Re:Do you agree? by twostix · · Score: 1

      Nice try at painting this as a right wing failure but it's actually *anti-abortion* sites that are already on the blacklist http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-anti-abortion-prohibited/ .

      The last government we had which was deeply conservative refused to implement a system like this, instead pointing people to the multitude of private solutions that they could implement on their own machines.

      The current government - Labour - is left wing, pro-abortion, pro-union and now pro-censorship and have already censored anti-abortion websites.

      I'm sorry if object reality is the exact opposite of what you and the individuals who modded you up wish that it were but this is not being implemented and abused by the mythical whipping boy of the internet the conservative right wing. No, the biggest censorship push in our history is being implemented and abused by the allegedly cool, metro, technocrat left wing.

      So where are you going to look at it from now?

    49. Re:Do you agree? by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1

      Using ISP's to check traffic is kind of like stopping people on the road and checking their identification papers

      Poor analogy - the departments that do that are taxpayer funded. That would be the RTA or AFP (or the State Police).

      Our constitution should be honoured or amended. Period.

      ISPs are not the investigative arm of the law, nor are they part of the judicial system. IINet did the right thing forwarding *IAA requests to the AFP. The AFP did the right thing by doing nothing - the have neither the time nor the funds to track downloaders - and they have a responsibility to investigate crimes that will result in a successful prosecution.

      Stay the fuck out of my briefcase for sure, but don't bill me for the search - this isn't Brasil.

      We have NO constitutional right to privacy (or free speech). We have a "right" to privacy through common law (a mans' home is his castle) except when over-ruled by legislation.

      If the law sucks - change it.

      One of the reasons this country is so fucked up is because groups use there collective power to empower politicians to make crap legislation

      Not voting is voting - it's just voting for fascists

      Voting for a party who can win a seat != setting the agenda for the next election...

      Just saying

    50. Re:Do you agree? by ThinkOfaNumber · · Score: 1

      You'd just have to wait for the govt to let the list slip to the public, as they have done in the past.

    51. Re:Do you agree? by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1

      Some people smoke pot and are morons. Some people are just morons. Like you.

    52. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      You still wouldn’t be able to tell why the stuff on the list got censored in the first place.

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    53. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Well, if CP were made of you or your kids, I think that you would prefer that as few people as possible saw it, right?

      Impractically speaking, of course. Practically speaking – you have no control. The laws already exist and they aren’t working any better than they are working. No amount of filtering is really going to help when one person finding it is already too many.

      Again, practically speaking, what’s the harm? The harm has already been done. The best thing you can do is work through it mentally and realise that people have seen the pictures, people will continue to see the pictures, and not only is there nothing you can do about it, but it’s unlikely that any further harm will come of it apart from you constantly worrying yourself.

      becoming known as a porn star for that kind of stuff is harmful in and of itself.

      Probably, but it’s not like people haven’t lived through it before. And even if somebody does recognise them, they’d avoid letting this be known because it’s illegal. We’d honestly be a lot safer if we didn’t even know about half of the weirdos out there, because the chances of a lot of them actually hurting anyone are pretty remote and we’re only hurting ourselves by worrying and being afraid all of the time.

      I don't think you can fight it with filters, though. Just arrest the people distributing these pictures and leave everyone else the hell alone.

      We agree on this much, I think.

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    54. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      And what if they were willing participants? What if they did naughty things for strangers on their cam, or posted some photos on a popular imageboard?

      Even if they do realise later that “you know, that might not have been such a great idea”... it’s not like they can take the pictures and videos back.

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    55. Re:Do you agree? by ThinkOfaNumber · · Score: 1

      Nor did we last time. Nobody understands the list it seems :) But your point was "people won't find out", not they "won't understand".

      "...But about half of the sites on the list are not related to child porn and include a slew of online poker sites, YouTube links, regular gay and straight porn sites, Wikipedia entries, euthanasia sites, websites of fringe religions such as satanic sites, fetish sites, Christian sites, the website of a tour operator and even a Queensland dentist..."
      (Sydney Morning Herald)

    56. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      You are a pedophile. A closet pedophile. And if we allowed you to look at small-titted women, it would make you want to rape children.

      Or so the illogic goes.

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      Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
    57. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      But your point was "people won't find out", not they "won't understand".

      You can’t always tell what a website is from the URL. Knowing the URL they blocked is not knowing what they blocked, only where it was located.

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      Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
    58. Re:Do you agree? by aaron552 · · Score: 1

      If you're talking about how the ACMA blacklist leaked, it was leaked by an anonymous individual who extracted it from a PC filter. The government did not leak it

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    59. Re:Do you agree? by ThinkOfaNumber · · Score: 1

      true, I shouldn't have written it like that.

    60. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      I didn’t say it’s not bad. It is.

      I said it’s not, in of itself, harm. Harm can come as a result of it, but even then there are probably plenty of other factors to share the blame.

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    61. Re:Do you agree? by walshy007 · · Score: 1

      the dark underside of European treatment of the indigenous inhabitants of the country,

      I still find it funny, that internationally people kick up a stink about this and yet nobody mentions what the americans did to the native american indians. and other such examples.

    62. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Firstly I must say, if a little kid was doing something like that he must have some pretty neglectful parents.

      You are so out of touch with reality that it’s shocking. Have you never at least heard of “sexting”? This sort of thing goes on all the time. We have kids being tried as adults on charges of producing and distributing child porn. But it’s for their own good, right? We’re just trying to protect them from sex predators.

      But ye, the idea of copyright is that you own the distribution rights. I.e. yes, it should be their right to as people to distribution of something that they deems violates their privacy. It's not as if they gave the explicit right for people to redistribute/sell it as they please.

      Again, you seem to be completely out of touch with reality. If you post something online with no license or agreement between you and the people you’re posting it for, it’s out of your control. End of story. You can’t specify when and how and where it can be reposted and saved. You can’t change your mind and take it back. Genies just don’t go back into bottles.

      Everyone who receives the information that you posted has the implicit right to do just about whatever they please with it, because you posted it with no strings attached. About the only thing they can’t do, from a copyright perspective, is claim that it’s their original work... which, if it could be considered child porn, they wouldn’t want to do anyway.

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    63. Re:Do you agree? by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      Look at it from the crazy far *anything* perspective.
      I was going for an example that would appeal to the most slashdotters.
      But yes.
      it's equally true for pretty much any group.

    64. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No-one is trying to ban depictions of a crime taking place, and the aim is not to "prevent crime".

      Youre trying to re-write the entire history of the logic and motive behind anti-CP legislation. I’m not falling for it.

      The principle here is that a human should by default own the copy right on his likeness. The same would apply if your mother was just walking around naked in her house and you published pictures with a telephoto lens.

      That’s bullshit. The principle here has nothing to do with that, and that principle is flawed anyway: we only have this supposed “copy right” on our likeness when we expect to be in private. In public, people can take as many pictures as they want, without any permission whatsoever. Displaying a copyrighted painting in public doesn’t give people the right to photograph it, so this whole argument is rubbish.

      The principle here is that we think people who look at pictures of naked children are creepy and we want them to be put in jail. So we made laws to accomplish this, and we said it’s “for the children”. Then we use the laws to prosecute kids who shared photos they took with their camera phones, ruining their lives with the very laws that we said were for their protection.

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    65. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Please learn to identify context; it will be essential when you reach the workplace.

      Eh? Your assumption that I am not already in a workplace is incorrect.

      If you will read the posts above, it was a suggestion for what to replace anti-CP laws with, not a description of an existing law.

      Good luck with that!

      If I have a museum and I let you into the museum to look at a painting in my collection, it is not displayed in public.

      No, but if you set the copyrighted work in an easel in your front window display, it is. And I still can’t photograph it, because it’s copyrighted.

      It might be that you are agreeing with me vehemently, but not realising that I am proposing laws, not describing the status quo.

      Your new laws don’t make it illegal for fat 40-year-old men to look at pictures that 15-year-old girls knowingly, willingly took and posted online (just so long as he didn’t entice the girl into that sort of behaviour). Most people aren’t going to like this very much.

      As I said, good luck getting the law changed.

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    66. Re:Do you agree? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      I can't see how anything being visible from public view is implied consent to take a sufficiently good reproduction of it and publish it, which is the basic risk to the copyright owner.

      I can’t see how anyone being visible from public view is implied consent to take a sufficiently good reproduction of their image and publish it, which is the basic risk you take by stepping out your front door.

      Except that, of course, it’s not an issue of copyright. It is an issue of privacy. Your likeness is not copyrighted. What you do in private is private because of laws protecting your privacy, not because it is considered copyrighted.

      Nevertheless, depending on the specific nature of the pictures and the jurisdiction, what you describe may already be legal.

      Not in the U.S.

      In most of the U.S. it’s legal for a 17-year-old to have sex, and in some states it’s legal at 16. Many of them also make it legal for younger people to have sex with each other (i.e. still illegal if it’s done with an adult), or at least provide reduced penalties for these sort of cases.

      In all cases, however, Federal law makes it illegal to have pornographic pictures of anyone who is under the age of 18.

      Result: in most states, someone who has a 17-year-old girlfriend can legally have sex with her, but if they have a nude picture of her it is considered child porn.

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  3. "Cyber-Attackers" !!! Oooh, Scary! by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

    "The Man" better look out!

  4. Where is the so called democracy? by bogaboga · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In my opinion, the result of democracy should be that everyone can do as they please as long as their actions do not hurt "little ones".

    That's why the west's implementation of democracy leaves a lot to be desired. Why? Because governments only practice "democracy" when the practice suits their [selfish] ends.

    I know there is a way round all this nonsense so let's inform our colleagues down there about ways of circumventing this rubbish.

    1. Re:Where is the so called democracy? by russotto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In my opinion, the result of democracy should be that everyone can do as they please as long as their actions do not hurt "little ones".

      As soon as you attempt to implement such a thing, you'll find a bunch of people presenting themselves as fragile "little ones" who must be protected from those big bad others. What you've posted is necessary but not sufficient for freedom; you also have to be able to say to those who would use their putative weakness as a tool of oppression to toughen up or suffer; those pictures won't REALLY hurt you, no matter what you say.

    2. Re:Where is the so called democracy? by JackDW · · Score: 1

      In my opinion, the result of democracy should be that everyone can do as they please as long as their actions do not hurt "little ones".

      Many would agree with you. But they would quibble over the definition of "hurt". A government could ban almost anything on the grounds that it might "hurt the children".

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    3. Re:Where is the so called democracy? by VShael · · Score: 1

      But they would quibble over the definition of "hurt".

      Too many people equate "hurt" with "cause offense to".

      To which I say, please show me where in the Australian constitution, it says that one has the right NOT to be offended, ever.

    4. Re:Where is the so called democracy? by GungaDan · · Score: 1

      "you also have to be able to say to those who would use their putative weakness as a tool of oppression to toughen up or suffer; those pictures won't REALLY hurt you, no matter what you say."

      You are my new internet hero. Well put.

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    5. Re:Where is the so called democracy? by manicb · · Score: 1

      Democracy should logically result in applying the will of the majority. If something only hurts a minority, it is entirely possible the majority will simply ignore it, however unjust. e.g. uk extreme porn legislation. In this case, the government could pass a clearly discriminating law for the sake of a few good headlines. That's not an 'implementation' issue.

    6. Re:Where is the so called democracy? by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

      Democracy: 1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

      I think you mean liberty.

      1 : the quality or state of being free: a : the power to do as one pleases b : freedom from physical restraint c : freedom from arbitrary or despotic control d : the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges e : the power of choice

      The result of democracy is rule by majority, which can be, but does not have to be, liberty and freedom. In fact, majority rule will always result in liberty and freedom being limited to what the majority finds acceptable. If the majority finds slavery acceptable, then a democratic state can have slavery. If the majority finds that a religious group has unacceptable practices (child sex, human sacrifice, animal sacrifice,etc), then that religion or practice may be outlawed in a democratic society.

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    7. Re:Where is the so called democracy? by smaddox · · Score: 1

      Democracy is defined as a system of government carried out by the people directly (direct democracy), or through elected representatives of the people (representative democracy). Either one leads inevitably to majority rule. Luckily, the US is not a democracy. The US is a democratic republic with (supposedly) finite, expressly defined powers. Unfortunately, the call for "national security" and "protecting the children" (etc.) leads inevitably to more and more power being amassed in the hands of the representatives. Power corrupts - not only directly, but indirectly. Power attracts the corrupt, and power turns well intentioned individuals into corrupt individuals.

      The best leaders are the people who have no desire to lead. Take George Washington, for instance. With the tremendous support he had after "winning" the American Revolutionary War (In actuality, the British just decided to ignore us. They didn't grant us independence.), he could have easily turned the 13 colonies into a dictatorship, but he had no desire to rule.

    8. Re:Where is the so called democracy? by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1
      Not in Australia. Seriously.

      We have a "monarchaic democracy". Big difference. If a the Queens Representative wants to remove a majority elected government he/she can/will/did. Er - Gough Whitlam ring any bells all you non-American-centric people??

      And if the majority of people who can vote in a "democracy" don't - is it still a democracy??

    9. Re:Where is the so called democracy? by psithurism · · Score: 1

      In my opinion, the result of democracy should be that everyone can do as they please as long as their actions do not hurt "little ones".

      I always figured the result of democracy would be the majority making the rules for what everyone else can and can't do. "Tyranny of the majority" has always been a buzzword for the cautions of democracy.

      Given the story we're replying to I think my hypotheses is working out better.

      I think if they had maybe a bill of rights and a good "separation of powers" ensuring a clear judicial branch to enforce it. I might be biased from personal experience, but even thats not going so good here.

    10. Re:Where is the so called democracy? by deniable · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's a constitutional monarchy. You may also want to look at the post-'75 changes because of John Kerr's actions.

      And if the majority of people who can vote in a "democracy" don't - is it still a democracy??

      Ever heard of compulsory voting?

  5. Of course by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They'll just swat ineffectually at anonymous, like a man being swarmed by bees.
    They might even arrest one or 2 people.
    And the /b/tards will laugh.

    1. Re:Of course by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think this article deserves some more 4chan sub culture memes. After all

      Anon Delivers!

    2. Re:Of course by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean HungryHobo delivers? He wasn't AC

    3. Re:Of course by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Damn you! I would have preferred to believe Rosie O’Donnell doesn’t exist...

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    4. Re:Of course by psithurism · · Score: 1

      They might even arrest one or 2 people.

      Or maybe they'll censor sites where the computer literate can gather and talk about how oppressive Australian censorship is.

  6. Ambiguous headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You can't just write 'Australian'? Really? Because for a moment I thought you were talking about American University.

  7. I believe the concept of Anonymous escapes you by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The group responsible, called Anonymous, is known for coordinated Internet attacks against Scientology and other groups in the past."

          Right. Because anyone calling themselves anonymous are the "same group". Specifically because "Anonymous" means "of unknown name". Heck, we have a bunch of Anonymous Cowards here on slashdot too! Let's track down their IP's and throw them in jail like the terrorists they are! After all, they've been seen on TV to blow up yellow vans, so they must be evil, right?

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    1. Re:I believe the concept of Anonymous escapes you by clone53421 · · Score: 5, Funny

      This was my favourite part:

      Anonymous could not immediately be reached for further comment.

      Really?!

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    2. Re:I believe the concept of Anonymous escapes you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      all they would have needed the do was post on /b/ something to the effect of "i c wut u did thar" and let the lulz ensue.

    3. Re:I believe the concept of Anonymous escapes you by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Well according to the Church of Scientology, they are the greatest threat to mankind since Genghis Khan--an organized hate group aimed at overthrowing America and burning all our churches. Also, Tom Cruise is not gay.

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    4. Re:I believe the concept of Anonymous escapes you by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Funny

      When I asked them about it - I had to post a picture with my question - and all they said was "SAUCE" over and over again.

    5. Re:I believe the concept of Anonymous escapes you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      No comments

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    6. Re:I believe the concept of Anonymous escapes you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Good work! We can determine from this that Anonymous is predominantly Italian.

    7. Re:I believe the concept of Anonymous escapes you by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Well it's really no weirder than thinking that all "terrorists" are somehow allied. Seriously, some people seem to think that "terrorists" are all a bunch of Muslims that know each other and plan attacks together. Like it makes sense to have a "war on terror" when it's a bunch of disparate groups who may or may not have similar ideologies.

    8. Re:I believe the concept of Anonymous escapes you by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 1

      That's not Anonymous' goal, only mine.

    9. Re:I believe the concept of Anonymous escapes you by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Anonymous could not immediately be reached for further comment.

      In further news, this reporter was having trouble finding the "any" key on his keyboard.

    10. Re:I believe the concept of Anonymous escapes you by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      >> Let's track down their IP's and throw them in jail like the terrorists they are!

      You'll never take me alive coppers!

  8. Sure, that sends the right message by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    So in order to protest a government that is so paranoid about the internet that it filters out content, hackers attack the websites of that government? [sarcasm] I'm sure they are so much less paranoid now and thinking less about the children.[/sarcasm]

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    1. Re:Sure, that sends the right message by Ziekheid · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're right though. And to call Anonymous hackers is hilarious.
      We're talking about boards that had its own users infect eachother by saving pictures, renaming them to .js and executing it (something which thousands of users dit themselves expecting something else).
      Fox once called them "Hackers on steroids", the general public there is a total computer retard and knows how to fire up LOIC and get some sites down but that's it.
      It's the numbers that make Anonymous effective, not the brains.
      In b4 angry /b/tards

    2. Re:Sure, that sends the right message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your analysis of Anonymous is correct; they're effective the same way Kobolds can be effective: if there are enough of them, they'll succeed. Anonymous is an infinite number of monkeys banging away on an infinite number of typewriters; collectively they'll write the complete works of Shakespeare.

    3. Re:Sure, that sends the right message by Gat0r30y · · Score: 1

      No, however they may have to consider the actual cost (in actual dollars) of implementing their idiotic plan. What do you think the actual cost of one day of these shenanigans is to the government? Also, while I do not like to feed the b/east they were rather effective at humiliating the government by making them appear completely ineffectual.

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    4. Re:Sure, that sends the right message by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      they were rather effective at humiliating the government by making them appear completely ineffectual.

      It’s not just an appearance.

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    5. Re:Sure, that sends the right message by LuNa7ic · · Score: 1

      No, anything but that!

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  9. This seems unfairly biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    [QUOTE]

      "It recently turned its attention against the AU government after it said in December that it would block access to sites featuring material such as rape, drug use, bestiality and child sex abuse."

    [/QUOTE]

    I believe this interpretation unfairly portrays Anonymous as a bunch of sadistical, criminalalistic bottom-feeders. While Anonymous is a giant group that contains many criminals it also consists of regular people that do not want what they believe are fundamental freedoms restricted.

    What the OP does not realize is that internet censorship is a slippery slope phenomenon that includes the blockage of many other types of unnecessarily censored content blocked by this filter.

    I hope this clears something up.

  10. Wow this group is pretty active on /. by ls671 · · Score: 1

    > The group responsible, called Anonymous

    Wow, this group is pretty active on /., I see comments signed "anonymous" all the time on this site ;-))

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    1. Re:Wow this group is pretty active on /. by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      Are you behind 7 proxies, because any more or any less I can track you.

    2. Re:Wow this group is pretty active on /. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      I'm behind a quantum proxy - good luck finding me, let alone getting on the same proxy!

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  11. Dumb... Dumb Dumb Dumb by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

    Well, if I were a normal person and just read this summary, I would conclude that the group are "cyber-terrorists" who are in favor of drug use, rape, zoo sex and child abuse. In addition, by calling themselves Anonymous they're spoiling the concept of anonymity. I really don't think that this action was the best press possible either for the group or for those who are against censorship in general.

    1. Re:Dumb... Dumb Dumb Dumb by HungryHobo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, unfortunatly the news sites write what they're told and trying to get the point across that they're protesting the existance of the blacklist rather than whats supposed to be on it is a little too much of a fine distinction for most journalism graduates to understand.

    2. Re:Dumb... Dumb Dumb Dumb by thijsh · · Score: 1

      [...] who are in favor of drug use, rape, zoo sex and child abuse [...]

      Anyone who ever read 4chan /b/ can attest to that. ;-)

    3. Re:Dumb... Dumb Dumb Dumb by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Which proves that normal people are incredibly stupid.

      And we allow these retards to make laws...

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    4. Re:Dumb... Dumb Dumb Dumb by icebraining · · Score: 1

      by calling themselves Anonymous they're spoiling the concept of anonymity.

      Why? It's not like there's any kind of formal organization or hierarchy. The fact is, anyone can call himself Anonymous. There's no leaders, no secret place, no kind of affiliation. They don't even know each other. Knowing that Anonymous did it gives you no particular information.

      As said by Chris Landers and quoted in Wikipedia, "Anonymous is a group, in the sense that a flock of birds is a group. How do you know they're a group? Because they're travelling in the same direction. At any given moment, more birds could join, leave, peel off in another direction entirely."

    5. Re:Dumb... Dumb Dumb Dumb by cptnapalm · · Score: 1

      And as you can attest to that...

    6. Re:Dumb... Dumb Dumb Dumb by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      They do like their drug use and zoo sex

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    7. Re:Dumb... Dumb Dumb Dumb by aflag · · Score: 1

      Well, if I were a normal person and just read this summary, I would conclude that the group are "cyber-terrorists" who are in favor of drug use, rape, zoo sex and child abuse. In addition, by calling themselves Anonymous they're spoiling the concept of anonymity. I really don't think that this action was the best press possible either for the group or for those who are against censorship in general.

      The group doesn't care. They do it for the lulz.

  12. we are legion by eparker05 · · Score: 5, Funny

    We are anonymous, we are legion! we do not forg...

    Crap! I forgot to log out.

  13. Boomerang by westlake · · Score: 4, Informative
    Anonymous recently turned its attention against the AU government after it said in December that it would block access to sites featuring material such as rape, drug use, bestiality and child sex abuse.

    I can't think of anything more likely to validate the government's actions in the eyes of its socially conservative constituents.

    1. Re:Boomerang by ShaunC · · Score: 5, Informative

      Anonymous recently turned its attention against the AU government after it said in December that it would block access to sites featuring material such as rape, drug use, bestiality and child sex abuse.

      The summary omitted a few things. For one, the proposed blacklist would target otherwise legal adult sites featuring small-breasted women, with the apparent rationale that anyone who doesn't love giant plastic D-cups must be a pedophile.

      Of course, it's a lot easier to vilify Anonymous by saying they're trying to defend CP and donkey porn...

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    2. Re:Boomerang by dgr73 · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with donkey porn?

    3. Re:Boomerang by stonewallred · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with Captain Piccard?

    4. Re:Boomerang by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      This needs to be modded up, as he's right, the rationale had nothing to do with the reasons listed in the article.

      Instead, legal adult sites were able to be blacklisted for the reason above, and there were cases of this happening.

      That sort of BS is what sparked off the Anon vs Australia issue.

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    5. Re:Boomerang by bug1 · · Score: 1

      Instead of blocking banned material maybe they should let it through so they can prosecute people for possession of it...

      Also, thats just the political argument for imposing the filter, when its been implemented they will block a lot more, the filter they tested last year even blocked some dentists website, and they wont have the manpower to maintain an accurate banned list.

      Once a filter is in, its a very small step to start censoring political material.

    6. Re:Boomerang by twostix · · Score: 1

      "I can't think of anything more likely to validate the government's actions in the eyes of its socially conservative constituents."

      I hate to shatter your world view like this but our current government who are trying to implement this are progressive, pro-union, pro-abortion, spend like drunken sailors metro left wing.

      Otherwise known as the Australian Labour Party.

      The "social conservatives" just spent 12 years in power and the closest they ever came to implementing something like this was telling ISPs they had to offer Net Nanny as a download to their customers who wanted it. In the (gasp) conservative belief that mass censorship is wrong.

    7. Re:Boomerang by Dracophile · · Score: 1

      Anonymous recently turned its attention against the AU government after it said in December that it would block access to sites featuring material such as rape, drug use, bestiality and child sex abuse.

      I can't think of anything more likely to validate the government's actions in the eyes of its socially conservative constituents.

      I can't think of anything that would change the mind of this government or its socially conservative constituents about their hare-brained idea to put a fishnet condom on the internets, either, so a bit of civil disobedience may very well be in order.

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    8. Re:Boomerang by westlake · · Score: 1
      The summary omitted a few things. For one, the proposed blacklist would target otherwise legal adult sites featuring small-breasted women, with the apparent rationale that anyone who doesn't love giant plastic D-cups must be a pedophile. Citation needed.

      Is it sites that feature "small breasted" women that are being targeted - or sites that pose small breasted women as minors?

  14. Re:we are legion by oodaloop · · Score: 2, Funny

    Rule #1, #5, #9, #34, #72, and #93!

    There's porn of not logging out?

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  15. Anonymous also responsible for Reichstag fire by openfrog · · Score: 1

    Some 'anonymous terrorists' burned the Reichstag, justifying Hitler's seizure of power.
    A group called Anonymous has hacked the Australian parliament website, with the purpose of... ?

    Either Anonymous is a group of idiotic teenagers who have never opened a history book, either they are organized manipulators who think most people in modern society don't know anything about history.

  16. Re:we are legion by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Funny

    It exists. There is, or will be shortly.

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  17. they'llfix when script kiddies go to school by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a school-kid level activity.

  18. Singapore proxies by Ltap · · Score: 1

    I'm envisioning a half-dozen new datacenters for VPS hosting being built in Singapore the day that this law actually passes...

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    1. Re:Singapore proxies by neurovish · · Score: 1

      I'm envisioning a half-dozen new datacenters for VPS hosting being built in Singapore the day that this law actually passes...

      Because Singapore is a much more open society than Australia?

    2. Re:Singapore proxies by kalidasa · · Score: 1

      I think he's read Cryptonomicon one too many times.

    3. Re:Singapore proxies by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Cash for US data servers.
      Give an Australian a little back box that links with code on a server in the USA.
      Plug in any computer in one end, plug the other into your adsl device.
      To the Australian filter you are now a bank moving ~1 gb + of data a day, encrypted, using the same port as banks to one ip.
      Your url requests decode in the USA, you never seen on any Australian network.

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    4. Re:Singapore proxies by Ltap · · Score: 1

      USA? Data rates from oceania to North America have always been iffy. Asian datacenters are probably a better bet.

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  19. Re:Do you agree? NOOOOO by Smegly · · Score: 1

    I don't agree about censoring drug-related sites, but about the other contents...

    Sure, whatever you pick there will be some material that is offensive to downright sick and completely illegal. Censoring the Internet is:
    A) A band aid solution that does not compare to tracking down and prosecuting the culprits, and
    B) A powerful tool for political control.

    Governments choose it because point A) means it is cheaper than actually solving crimes and point B) is all gravy for controlling an unruly population.
    Censorship on the internet has nothing to do with stopping [insert favorite bogyman here]. For example: If Governments of the world really really cared about Child porn, there is no way in hell they would subscribe to TRIPS, GATS and other trade agreements that push so fervently for expansion of intellectual property (IP) rights worldwide. The majority of Child porn comes from poor developing countries - called "Source Country" exploitation. Truly unbiased research and commissions inquires have overwhelmingly [References below] found these trade agreements severely disadvantage developing countries. Basically they keep poor countries poor. Do you see your government moving to solve this major worldwide source of child porn? No of course not: they don't really care it is just a bogyman to push through controls on the internet - your going to get worse IP restriction AND internet censorship == the complete opposite of actually solving the child porn problem (and the closly related human trafficking, and poverty, starvation, death, and...).

    References (of many) you can find on the internet linking IP laws and trade agreements to continuing poverty of the developing world:

    The GATS and TRIPS are both examples of rich countries investing their most vigorous negotiating efforts on agendas where the gains will accrue overwhelmingly to companies located in rich countries. They are examples of a one-size-fits-all approach being imposed and, most strikingly, of rich countries now pulling up the ladder, trying to deny developing countries the very policy options that rich countries used to manage their own economic development.

    http://www.cid.org.nz/advocacy/Phil_Twyford_-_CID_Trade_Forum.pdf

    Commission on Intellectual Property Rights declared the internationally-mandated expansion of intellectual property (IP) rights unlikely to generate significant benefits for most developing countries and likely to impose costs, such as higher priced medicines or seeds. This makes poverty reduction more difficult. The intensively researched, 180-page report is entitled Integrating Intellectual Property Rights and Development Policy. It is the culmination of much study and follows on more than a dozen meetings and workshops, 17 working papers, an exhaustive literature review of the field, visits to several developed and developing nations and a major conference. The report makes some 50 recommendations aimed at aligning IP protection with the goal of reducing poverty in developing nations. Topics include IP and health; agriculture; traditional knowledge; copyrights, software and the Internet; and the role of WTO and WIPO in advancing developing country interests. The Commission is an independent international body made up of Commissioners from both developed and developing countries with expertise in science, law, ethics and economics. The Commissioners come from industry, government and academia* (see list of Commissioners below). "Developed countries often proceed on the assumption that what is good for them is likely to be good for developing countries," said Professor John Barton, Commission Chair and George E. Osborne Professor of Law, Stanford University. "But, in the case of developin

  20. Warning Posted on Slashdot? by Conchobair · · Score: 1

    It totally saw this coming. Or weirdly remembered this post.

  21. Thinking of the children? by Sperbels · · Score: 1

    Don't be fooled. They say they're doing it to protect the children. Once the mechanism is in place to do this they'll keep a low profile and only censor blatant violations. Then...they tighten the noose little bits at a time until eventually it is used to limit politically undesirable speech.

    1. Re:Thinking of the children? by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      eventually?
      Wasn't there a story a while back about abortion related sites making it on to the list long ago?

    2. Re:Thinking of the children? by aaron552 · · Score: 1

      That was before Conroy changed the list to be only RC. The ACMA blacklist (which contains the anti-abortion site) contains material from MA15+ up, where that material does not have an approved restricted-access system. The anti-abortion site was added because is was judged to be R18+ and not have a restricted-access system.

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  22. Re:we are legion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sweat dripped down John's brow. He'd never done it like this before. It had always been anonymous and random. He'd pick out someone from the chat room and have his way with them. But this time it was different. He didn't realize it at first. There had been the usual flirting and the textual foreplay. And then she had called him by his name. He had forgotten to log out.

    John sat staring at his screen for a full minute. There were the words she had written, as alluring as the naked body he could see in his minds eye. She wanted him. Not just his usual cyberself but him personally. He wasn't sure if this was something he wanted to do. But it felt good. Taking a deep breath he began to type. "I put on my rob and wizard hat"...

  23. Re:we are legion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ^^^
    Scientologist.

  24. Re:Please research what your writing about IBT by MasterPatricko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree, ridiculous ... and not just the article, even the summary is patronizing. Editors, it may not be what it once was, but this is still /.

    Calling Anonymous "a group"? WTF? This is almost as bad as that FOX news report.

    YES, editors, I just compared the quality of your journalism to FOX.

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  25. A better definition by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 1

    In my opinion, the result of democracy should be that everyone can do as they please as long as their actions do not hurt "little ones".

    Not quite right... the true definition of freedom would be that people can do what they want as long as their actions don't infringe upon the rights of anyone else. If you do something that infringes upon the rights of some rich powerful person, does that make it ok just because you didn't hurt a "little one"? Obviously not.

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  26. .. right here, apparently :-( by kestasjk · · Score: 1

    80pc back web filter: poll
    Unfortunately this isn't so much a failure of democracy as a failure of education. A failure of the media, and those of us who understand why it's such a dangerous waste of money, to get the message out to everyone.

    Seeing that article knocked my confidence a bit, I just hope that the 1000 calls made were an unrepresentative sample..

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  27. It's called civil disobedience. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The point is to remind the powers that be that they rule only because they are *allowed* to rule. The message sent by Anonymous is a simple message:

    Remember your place while you still have one.

    1. Re:It's called civil disobedience. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Civil disobedience" isn't a catch-all for 'I'm breaking the law and I think I'm doing it for a good cause'. It means you are publicly breaking an unjust law and expect to be arrested for it. Blacks sitting at a white lunch counter in the face of Jim Crow laws was civil disobedience. Ghandi defying the British Army and making his own salt was civil disobedience.

      A bunch of chantards doing DDOS attacks is not.

    2. Re:It's called civil disobedience. by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      It means you are publicly breaking an unjust law and expect to be arrested for it.

      Says who that it has to be public? The Underground Railroad didn’t advertise its civil disobedience.

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    3. Re:It's called civil disobedience. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, there was this guy named Henry David Thoreau who write an essay called Civil Disobedience.

    4. Re:It's called civil disobedience. by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      OOI, how do you propose one could civil-disobedience this law? I suppose you could set up an ISP which doesn't filter, but that takes a lot of resources and money. How could an individual defy the filter as an act of civil disobedience?

    5. Re:It's called civil disobedience. by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      He had some interesting stories to tell, but I don’t really find the idea that something isn’t civil disobedience just because you don’t go to the nearest county clerk and put on the record in writing that you’ll be helping slaves to their freedom up North and if they don’t like it they can put you in jail.

      Civil disobedience can just as well be practiced silently as vocally. It has less of an effect on the public opinion, but is also less likely to get you put in jail.

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    6. Re:It's called civil disobedience. by aaron552 · · Score: 1

      Individually bypass the censorship and inform others on how to do it too? Reverse-engineer and publish the blacklist? DoS the filterboxes?

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  28. Re:we are legion by CMontgomery · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Anonymous" is doing this for fun. Nothing more, there's no ulterior motive. They got bored. They don't really care.

  29. Re:Please research what your writing about IBT by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

    Not even Fox News deserves to be insulted like that.

  30. I would support such blocking if ... by Skapare · · Score: 1

    ... they could achieve that with absolutely zero collateral damage. However, I highly doubt any government agency, especially the Australian government, could come anywhere close to achieving that. And that is THE reason it should not even be considered, much less attempted.

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  31. AU government are jerks by jsepeta · · Score: 1

    access to bestiality and child porn probably should be blocked. but the australian government also wants to ban sites that show small-breasted women, because they might be confused for kids. ummm, i'm not buying it. sounds like people in the AU government are a bunch of sickos.

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    1. Re:AU government are jerks by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      You think CP and bestiality should be blocked.
      Guy #2 thinks CP should be blocked, and thinks your kid in the bathtub is CP.
      Guy #3 thinks CP, bestiality, and rape should be blocked.
      Guy #4 thinks all of the above, plus small-breasted women should be blocked.
      Guy #5 thinks that all nudity should be blocked.

      Why is your opinion the “right” one?

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  32. Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    In Soviet Australia, Internet censors you!

  33. Thankk Them by b4upoo · · Score: 1

    A salute to any hacker who fights to maintain freedom on the net. Thank you guys. I hope you annoy the censorship nuts until they jump of a bridge.

  34. Anonymous Coward. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Heh. only took me 30 seconds and one page refresh to get a statement from anon....

    Open letter concerning Australian Internet Censorship.
    To whom it may concern, and for the unaware public.

    Do not be confused about the intentions behind our attacks on various Australian government websites. Various media have falsely reported that our efforts are in defence of pornography. This is not about pornography. This is about freedom. The fact remains that under this proposed Internet censorship scheme over time the freedoms of Australians will continue to be eroded, all in the name of saving us from a threat that exists only in the minds of a vocal and very uninformed minority who wish to impose their morals and values on the public at large. We are in no way encouraging child pornography; however other courses of action should be encouraged, for Australia's "Cyber Safety Plan" creates problems in itself.

    The fact is that "banned" content can be posted on ANY website, at any time; introducing these tools is only a way to silence the selected few. Once the tools are put into place, they can and will be abused, as it has happened throughout history. Costs to taxpayers are estimated to be $44.2 million. This money could be put to far better use. Furthermore, the creation of such an announced filter is in direct violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights Charter of 1948, Article 19; which states: "Everyone has the right of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."

  35. I'm pretty sure this is Terrorism. by toastar · · Score: 1

    If they're using force to bring about change, Doesn't that make them terrorists under the patriot act?

    I think we should round up all the /b/tards and send them off to gitmo.

    I'm not sure those statements are related, But if we can use the first to pull off the second i'm all for it.

    1. Re:I'm pretty sure this is Terrorism. by Nuskrad · · Score: 1

      Well, it certainly meets the definition of 'terrorism' in the UK, as defined by the Terrorism Act 2000. "'terrorism' means the use or threat of action where... the use or threat is designed to influence the government or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause. Action falls within this subsection if it... is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system"

    2. Re:I'm pretty sure this is Terrorism. by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Doesn't that make them terrorists under the patriot act?

      Just a guess - you're American right?

      Officially Australian is NOT and American state

      Just saying.

    3. Re:I'm pretty sure this is Terrorism. by psithurism · · Score: 1

      Officially Australian is NOT and American state

      Not for long, we here in the US like to free countries from oppressive regimes especially if they get in the way of our industries.

      Our game and film industries seem to be having some trouble over there, so PREPARE FOR FREEDOM AUSTRALIANS!

    4. Re:I'm pretty sure this is Terrorism. by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 1

      Officially Australian is NOT and American state

      Officially, yes; unofficially...are we still American or are we Chinese now? I can't remember.

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    5. Re:I'm pretty sure this is Terrorism. by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1
      Well, officially we're bloody British. But even though we produced the first feature length movie it appears our current government sucks Hollywood dick. In a race to sell off our (unimproved) resources (uranium, iron ore and coal) it's a toss-up/off between America and China. Though I'll concede that it may be that countries are but arbitrary boundaries imposed by robber states - and that the New World Order (same as the old) has no borders... (damn I need a coffee)

      Spent the morning at Parliament House - may have skewed my perspectives.... ;-p

  36. "The group responsible..." by Marful · · Score: 1

    Why is it that the media can't mentally grasp the concept that Anonymous isn't actually a "group" and really just a bunch of individuals who have decided to take similar actions?

    1. Re:"The group responsible..." by arkenian · · Score: 1

      The same could be said for many organizations/groups, really. Anonymous has a central communications point where people propose such actions, and that pretty much makes it a group, just as much as some local political parties, really. (Or terrorist networks, or a variety of other things)

    2. Re:"The group responsible..." by mjwx · · Score: 1

      that Anonymous isn't actually a "group" and really just a bunch of individuals who have decided to take similar actions?

      A group is a bunch of individuals.

      group
      -noun
      1. any collection or assemblage of persons or things; cluster; aggregation: a group of protesters; a remarkable group of paintings.

      The medias usage is correct, what Anonymous is not is an organisation.

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  37. Re:we are legion by gandhi_2 · · Score: 1

    You mean... for the lulz?

  38. Re:we are legion by nstlgc · · Score: 1

    Ahh. Rule 35.

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  39. Ya ya ya by YankDownUnder · · Score: 1

    I'm sure Parliment is going to call in every single "Microsoft Certified" security company to deal with this...oh wowsers...and then they're going to justify using "Microsoft Certified" consultants and companies to protect them in the future...ya...right...

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  40. Yay, human swarms! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm excited to see how this goes, because in my eyes it's the first time something "real"* is protested without any leader. Also, as could be seen in Project Chanology, the mob turned out to be more intelligent than some of it's component individuals. To throw some buzzwords / catchphrases at it, if this works out, we'll have seen enough quantitative change in how the internet is used (and what all that communication is doing to us) for it to have become a qualitative change; it will have become /real/, so to speak.

    *Not to trivialize the damages done to people by Scientology, but, well, it's not something most people had opinions on. Government censorship /is/.

  41. You think rape porn really exists? by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

    I am not one for censorship but limiting child porn, rape, bestiality from being easily accessible is a good move.

    Child porn, sure, bestiality, maybe[*], but you can bet that so-called "rape" includes fictional depictions. I.e., consenting adult actors doing anything from rape roleplay, to any rough sex, or sex with bondage, that the censors think looks like "rape". And I do oppose banning that. I don't believe that porn featuring actual rape has ever been found, let alone any kind of significant trade - much like snuff films, they seem to be a myth, nothing more than a moral panic invented to pass laws such as this (why would anyone risk making such a film, when it's much easier and legal to act?)

    Even for "child" porn, it's not clear - remember, Australia is one of those (sadly increasing number of) places that thinks that a joke simpsons cartoon counts as "child" porn. Similarly, here in the UK our very own censorship system blocked that 30 year old legal album cover on Wikipedia.

    [*] I think it's best handled as an animal cruelty issue, rather than a "But this looks disgusting! issue. And even images of actual animal cruelty are legal, and uncensored, so it's not clear to me why the difference.

    1. Re:You think rape porn really exists? by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about porn - where people are raped for the purpose of selling porn, or where these images turn up on porn sites. Obviously there may exist videos of crimes, including rape and murder, or indeed bank robberies, say. Are you suggesting that this image is "snuff", or that it should be censored?

      The point is that people looking at these images doesn't create a demand for the crimes being committed (unlike child porn, where the argument is plausible), and there is no evidence that these kinds of images are turning up on porn sites.

      Sometimes happy slapping videos turn up on youtube, so yes videos of real violence exist. But this isn't evidence for saying that violent films that people buy and watch sometimes have actual abusive violence. If someone started talking about banning "violent films", we'd know they meant the fictional depictions, and any reference to happy slapping videos would be a red herring.

  42. Re:"Cyber-Attackers" !!! Oooh, Scary! by psithurism · · Score: 1

    You've been chosen as the next target of Anonymous. Start running, robot.

    Yeah, they'll reply to comments. Oooh, Scary!

  43. Re:Further corruption of the principle by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    The problem is not "You don't know how old this small-breasted woman is, so you can't look".

    That’s not even the rationale behind it. The rationale is, “You like small-breasted women. You’re probably a closet pedophile. No small-breasted women for you!”

    I’m not making this up.

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  44. Re:Censor dentists! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    Even if the blacklist is not a secret, the notion that you can tell what they are blocking if you can see the list assumes that you can tell if a website is illegal by its URL.

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  45. Not what the filter blocks by atomicstrawberry · · Score: 1

    The problem that Australians have with the extremely unpopular internet filtering proposed is that it doesn't block access to "sites featuring material such as rape, drug use, bestiality and child sex abuse." It blocks access to "unwanted content." The definition of that is completely left up to the government. There is no judicial oversight. There is no process for appealing a listing. The blacklist is completely secret and leaked copies have shown that its content is in no way limited to the above. It might be that the content initially may be deplorable, but the way the whole system has been put forward will easily allow them to escalate what is 'unacceptable'.

    A secretive, government-mandated, government-run censorship system is a very, very bad thing.

    However Anonymous has essentially shot those protesting the proposal in the kneecaps with this move. Now, in addition to claiming that anyone who protests the filtering system must be a pervert and a kiddy fiddler, the proponents can accuse us of being 'internet terrorists' or something as well.

  46. Opinion of 1 opposition senator != AU government. by mjwx · · Score: 1

    but the australian government also wants to ban sites that show small-breasted women,

    This is the opinion of oposition senator Barnaby Joyce, not the AU government as a whole. Joyce is an extremist nutbar, leader of the national (as in nationalism) party. Remember that despite popular (incorrect) yank sentiment, the filtering in Australia has not been implemented despite Conroy's insistance, it has been voted down once in parliment and Conroy is trying to put it through again before the next federal election. I fully expect this to be voted down a second time.

    Last nights episode of Hungy Beast covered this subject, worth watching if you can get iview.

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  47. Re:Further corruption of the principle by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

    I know I was a C cup at age 14... The practical non-existence on commercial internet in the'80s didn't stop guys who were significantly old than me hitting on me then. Censoring pictures of small busted women won't stop people from being perverts now.

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  48. Hungry Beast... an interview with Stephen Conroy by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 1

    Hungry Beast last night covered this DDoS (Operation Titstorm) and the question of the Great Internet Wall of Australia. They commissioned an independent survey on the thoughts of the Australian public on the internet filter. On the site is also an interview with Stephen Conroy, the closet case that wants to ban anything that might inappropriately stimulate him.

  49. They did it again by GoochOwnsYou · · Score: 1
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/11/2816658.htm

    The website and another linked to the Department of Broadband and Communications were shut down for long periods yesterday after their servers were overloaded. Both websites were offline again this morning. A group of hackers calling itself Anonymous has claimed responsibility for the interruptions, which it has called Operation Titstorm. Anonymous claims the attacks are also to highlight moves by the Government to ban the import of pornograhy featuring female ejaculation as well small-breasted women, over fears such films were simulating child pornography. Critics say the Government's internet filter amounts to censorship and will slow down internet speeds. The Government says the filter is necessary to block websites containing child pornography and other criminal activity.

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