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NASA Solar Probe Blasts Toward Rendezvous With Sun

coondoggie writes "NASA this morning used a United Launch Alliance Atlas rocket to blast its 6,800lb Solar Dynamics Observatory into an orbit 22,300 miles above Earth. The $808 million spacecraft will ultimately study the Sun and send back what NASA called a prodigious rush of pictures about sunspots, solar flares and a variety of other never-before-seen solar events. The idea is to get a better idea of how the Sun works and let scientists better forecast the space weather to offer earlier warnings to protect astronauts and satellites, NASA said."

90 comments

  1. Oh Crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is similar to how Nuclear Man came to be.

  2. First we bomb the moon... by PumpkinDog · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...now we're sending a spaceship to the sun?? I hope they're at least sending it at night so it won't get burnt.

    1. Re:First we bomb the moon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it's a bad title, but first sentence of the summary fail. It's in a figure eight orbit above earth and will gather data on the sun almost 24 hours a day for five years.

    2. Re:First we bomb the moon... by Adriax · · Score: 3, Funny

      Almost 24 hours a day? You mean this thing gets a break every day?
      Damn robot rights lobby! Next thing you know it'll be asking for weekends and holidays off!

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    3. Re:First we bomb the moon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope they're at least sending it at night so it won't get burnt.

      It had to be said and you beat me to it.

    4. Re:First we bomb the moon... by repka · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's wrong about the sentence? It was pretty much copied from TFA... The orbit is almost geostationary, considering the distance, so it's not like it'll be doing 8's around Earth and Moon, like Apollo crafts.

    5. Re:First we bomb the moon... by CorporateSuit · · Score: 1

      Just remember to wear protective lenses when looking at the pictures it sends back. We don't want anyone going blind.

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    6. Re:First we bomb the moon... by AmonTheMetalhead · · Score: 1

      And don't forget about Robannukah!

    7. Re:First we bomb the moon... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Sending a spaceship to the sun for science without a politician or a lawyer in it? What a waste of a perfectly good sun-bound craft.

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    8. Re:First we bomb the moon... by mrxak · · Score: 1

      It's more the disconnect between the title and the first sentence. Rendezvous with the sun implies they shot a rocket directly at it, not putting something in orbit of the Earth.

    9. Re:First we bomb the moon... by Cryacin · · Score: 1

      We won't mention Robodan, Circuitmas, and Kwanza.

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  3. Sounds like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...a bright idea.

  4. Won't the probe just burn up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They'd better go at night!

  5. Set the controls for the heart of the sun by soupforare · · Score: 1

    Just make sure that you hit the thrusters at the right moment or you won't be able to escape the sun's gravity for the slingshot.

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    1. Re:Set the controls for the heart of the sun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please explain. Was that some popular culture reference I missed or simply a thought that crossed your mind?

    2. Re:Set the controls for the heart of the sun by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Well Predominately Star Trek IV The only STTOS movie that non-trekies liked. However The Original Star Trek series used the idea with a lot less detail just as an excuse for time travel.

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    3. Re:Set the controls for the heart of the sun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_the_Controls_for_the_Heart_of_the_Sun

    4. Re:Set the controls for the heart of the sun by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      Mmmmmmm Floyd.

      My Dad used to play that song for me a lot when I was a toddler....interesting.

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  6. Prodigious rush by beetlenaut · · Score: 1

    A "prodigious rush" is 16 megabytes per second! Now we know.

    1. Re:Prodigious rush by quangdog · · Score: 1

      So a stinkin' probe buzzing the sun is able to get torrents more than 10 times faster than I can at home?

      I suppose they need this to be able to upgrade the kernel quickly when stuff starts to melt.

    2. Re:Prodigious rush by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      I would kill for that speed, not so much the latency though, that's gotta suck

    3. Re:Prodigious rush by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's in orbit of earth. It's not going anywhere near the sun, at least not much nearer than earth.

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    4. Re:Prodigious rush by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know about the rest of you, but a little piece of me died inside when I read the comparison to iTunes: "It's like downloading 500,000 iTunes a day, NASA stated." Are comparisons to iTunes downloads really needed in today's world?

    5. Re:Prodigious rush by beetlenaut · · Score: 1

      It's not just the speed. Maybe I should have said 16 megabytes *each* second. We will get 1.4 TB of data every day from this thing. (I'm on a satellite connection, so I have that latency. Believe me, it does suck.)

    6. Re:Prodigious rush by Third+Position · · Score: 1

      Well, it would be embarrassingly out of style to say it's the size of a pack of cigarettes, wouldn't it?

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    7. Re:Prodigious rush by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      '500,000 iTunes'? On my system, iTunes is 157MB, plus the QuickTime binaries, so that's a lot of data. Or did they mean 500,000 average-length songs? When did 'an iTune' mean anything?

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    8. Re:Prodigious rush by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or did they mean 500,000 average-length songs? When did 'an iTune' mean anything?

      Indeed. They should have used specific examples like:

      Here Comes the Sun
      Black Hole Sun
      Good Day Sunshine
      House of the Risin' Sun
      Walking on the Sun
      Blister in the Sun
      You Are the Sunshine of My Life
      Sunshower
      Don't Let the Sun Go Down On Me
      Sunless Saturday
      California Sun
      Walking on Sunshine


      You know, something like that.

    9. Re:Prodigious rush by rockNme2349 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thats 0.14 Library of Congresses / Day.

      Sorry for the confusion.

      -NASA

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    10. Re:Prodigious rush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For $808 million, I would hope it gets better connectivity than your $50/mo connection at home.

    11. Re:Prodigious rush by Ashe+Tyrael · · Score: 1

      Or the classic "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun"

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    12. Re:Prodigious rush by Whalou · · Score: 1

      When did 'an iTune' mean anything?

      Now.

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    13. Re:Prodigious rush by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      That's a lot of songs though. Maybe the number would be more manageable if they used movies, like "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Imager".

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    14. Re:Prodigious rush by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 1

      Can we accidentally decrease the bandwidth by putting several sun songs into a medley?

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    15. Re:Prodigious rush by Cryacin · · Score: 1

      And car analogies are just so 2000!

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    16. Re:Prodigious rush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sleeping Sun?

  7. The mission to the sun was a Success...... by Moheeheeko · · Score: 1

    ...sadily the craft is made of asbestos, and we connot recover the data....

  8. GPS disuption warning- a good thing by BubbaDave · · Score: 1

    So we'll get a little bit of warning that a big flare is on the way, gps is going to be disrupted, and the air-traffic-control system is going to fail.

    Excellent!

    Dave

    1. Re:GPS disuption warning- a good thing by oneiros27 · · Score: 3, Informative

      These are *not* in situ instruments like what's on ACE, where it has to get hit to be known.

      Part of SDO's mission in is space weather prediction -- trying to identify active regions that are likely to flare or throw off a CME, and thus provide more advanced warning so spacecraft can take precautions.

      Disclaimer : I'm affiliated with one of the sites that's going to be distributing SDO data.

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    2. Re:GPS disuption warning- a good thing by valadaar · · Score: 1, Informative

      My understanding is the flare does not move at the speed of light - it is plasma not photons. I could be wrong ...

    3. Re:GPS disuption warning- a good thing by mbone · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not really - flare particles ("coronal mass ejections") travel at about 400 km/sec, much less than the speed of light, giving plenty of time for predictions if you can see the flare erupt on the Sun.

    4. Re:GPS disuption warning- a good thing by BubbaDave · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nothing travels faster than the speed of light. So when this satellite learns of the big flare, it has already hit us. (Due to delays in processing and transmission, it'll tell us only after the flare has passed by earth)...

      As valadaar states, the light from the flare travels at the speed of light, the actual matter that does the damage travels much more slowly.

      Dave

    5. Re:GPS disuption warning- a good thing by ircmaxell · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was my understanding that the main "effects" of flares were that of X-Rays and other forms of radiation (UV, etc) which do travel at the speed of light... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_flare Sure, the massive ejections will travel at less than C, but the effects the OP mentions (radio and GPS interferance) are caused by the X-Rays hitting the ionosphere. And that effect would occur "before" the satellite gets a chance to "warn" us... So while my post was incomplete, it's still applicable... Just not for the entire effect of the flare.

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    6. Re:GPS disuption warning- a good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing travels faster than the speed of light. So when this satellite learns of the big flare, it has already hit us. (Due to delays in processing and transmission, it'll tell us only after the flare has passed by earth)...

      *EPIC FAIL*

      Try again.

    7. Re:GPS disuption warning- a good thing by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Communications satellites aren't disrupted by the light from the flare

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    8. Re:GPS disuption warning- a good thing by ircmaxell · · Score: 2, Informative

      They ARE disrupted by X-Rays, which are part of the spectrum of light... So yes, comms satellites ARE disrupted by LIGHT from the flare. It's the act of these X-Rays hitting the ionosphere that causes the radio interference (hence disrupting the GPS systems that the OP was referring to)...

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    9. Re:GPS disuption warning- a good thing by BubbaDave · · Score: 2, Interesting

      GPS interference is temporary, I worry more about the ejection products that can cause permanent damage.

      Dave

    10. Re:GPS disuption warning- a good thing by BubbaDave · · Score: 1

      The confusion is my fault- temporary interference from X-rays, RF, etc, not so much of a worry as the more damaging ejection products.

      Dave

    11. Re:GPS disuption warning- a good thing by ircmaxell · · Score: 1

      Quite true. I interpreted the OP as saying warnings for possible disruption. So I replied that the disruption (aka interference) would happen before the warning, hence it's useless... However, taking the ejections into account, I think both arguments (my original, and your original) stand, just under narrowed contexts...

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    12. Re:GPS disuption warning- a good thing by khallow · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nothing travels faster than the speed of light.

      But a lot of things travel slower. One of those things is the solar wind. The real excitement from a large solar flare happens when the stream of charged particles hits Earth's magnetic field and atmosphere. Generally, you get a couple of days of warning. I assume that enormous flares would be faster, but even then you'll probably get hours of warning.

    13. Re:GPS disuption warning- a good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what she said.

      -Michael Scott

    14. Re:GPS disuption warning- a good thing by confused+one · · Score: 1

      light takes 8 minutes to get to Earth. CME's typically take a few days.

  9. A probe to study the sun? by Nerdfest · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I can see from my house.

    1. Re:A probe to study the sun? by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

      Lemme guess....you can see Russia, too?

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    2. Re:A probe to study the sun? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm russian, you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:A probe to study the sun? by X'16435934 · · Score: 0

      You're Russian?

      OMG! You can see Sarah Palin from your house!
      My condolences.

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  10. Rendezvous ? by mbone · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think that I will go outside and rendezvous with the Sun too.

    However, even if it isn't going much closer to the Sun than my back yard, it is in a cool orbit.

    SDO is a sun-pointing semi-autonomous spacecraft that will allow nearly continuous observations of the Sun with a continuous science data downlink rate of 130 Megabits per second (Mbps). The spacecraft is 4.5 meters high and over 2 meters on each side, weighing a total of 3100 kg (fuel included). SDO's inclined geosynchronous orbit was chosen to allow continuous observations of the Sun and enable its exceptionally high data rate through the use of a single dedicated ground station.

    So, it is in a geostationary orbit with the major advantage of the L1 Lagrange point (continuous observations) but requiring less fuel to reach, less power to communicate, and only one ground station (a L1 observatory needs 3, or sufficient on-board recording). That sounds like a major win for this new orbit, which I predict will be used more in the future.

    With this orbit, it might also be able to get some cool pictures of Lunar eclipses, which SOHO (at the L1 Lagrange point) can never do.

    1. Re: Rendezvous ? by zippthorne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It will be equipped with its own artificial eclipse which will be precisely sized to look at various parts of the photosphere, corona, etc. There is not any real benefit of a lunar eclipse, since the unlit side of the moon would be.. unlit, thus making it equivalent to a small metal disk anyway. I suppose you could talk about lunar mountain ranges, but frankly, the point of an orbital sun-observing satellite is that there isn't any atmosphere to drown out your signal with diffuse light. That is particularly important *before* the occulting disk: the atmosphere can't scatter light that never reaches the atmosphere.

      Good observations can be made if the occulting disk is *ahead* of the atmosphere, the problem being the moon is the only appropriately sized disk for an earthbound observatory to use, and it's on the moon's time. If the moon is what you want to observe, you should be able to get pictures of it from earth as well or better than pictures from an equally distant space-based station.

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    2. Re: Rendezvous ? by tweak13 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is in a geosynchronous orbit, not a geostationary orbit. Any orbit with inclination cannot be geostationary and would require multiple ground stations or a steerable antenna. It may also be possible that they are using a fixed antenna and a highly elliptical orbit, and using that to create a long period of relatively little apparent motion from earth during which to perform their downlinks. That may also be how they create longer observation times.

      Either way, this wouldn't allow continuous observation of the sun. It may be close, but at some point it is going to be near enough to the night side of earth to be in its shadow.

    3. Re: Rendezvous ? by mbone · · Score: 1

      Good point - you are correct and I was sloppy about "stationary" vs "synchronous."

      Inclined orbits like this will generally go through "eclipse periods" twice per year (when the orbit appears edge on from the Sun, and thus goes through the Earth's shadow). Each eclipse period will last a few days, and the spacecraft will be in shadow for order an hour each orbit. Also during these periods the satellite will pass in front of the Sun, which is also likely to cut down on communication due to Solar interference. I assume that this is what they mean by "nearly continuous observations" - i.e., they might loose maybe 15-20 hours per year.

    4. Re: Rendezvous ? by mbone · · Score: 1

      Oh, there is no major scientific benefit to SDO going through a lunar eclipse, but I still think it should make for some cool pictures.

  11. Disaster Area by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone reminded of Disaster Area and their spaceship rendezvous with a sun?

    Disaster Area, a plutonium rock band from the Gagrakacka Mind Zones, are generally held to be not only the loudest rock band in the history of the Galaxy, but the loudest noise of any kind at all.

    Regular concert-goers judge that the best sound balance is usually to be heard from within large concrete bunkers some thirty-seven miles from the stage, whilst the musicians themselves play their instruments by remote control from within a heavily insulated spaceship which stays in orbit around the planet or more frequently around a completely different planet.

    Many worlds have now banned their act altogether, sometimes for artistic reasons, but most commonly because the band's PA system contravenes local strategic arms limitation treaties. This has not stopped their earnings from pushing back the boundaries of pure hypermathematics, and their chief research accountant has recently been appointed Professor of Mathematics at the University of Maximegalon, in recognition of both his General and Special Theories of Disaster Area Tax Returns, in which he proves that the whole fabric of the space-time continuum is not merely curved, but is in fact totally bent.

    1. Re:Disaster Area by mbone · · Score: 1

      The loudest noise of any kind at all was clearly the Big Bang (the universe supported sound waves before recombination). It came with a pretty cool light show, too.

      For safety, I prefer viewing this performance from 13 billion light years away. At this distance, ear plugs are not necessary.

  12. NASA Solar Probe Blasts Towards Firey Doom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're going to dive into the sun. Sun. Dive. It's a very simple concept.

  13. Forecast? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

    let scientists better forecast the space weather to offer earlier warnings

    In Approximately 8 minutes, there will be a heatwave along the Eastern Coast, as you can tell by our satellite imagery here on the sun. Now to Greg with a sports update.

  14. iTunes/day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From TFA:

    "That's almost 50 times more science data than any other mission in NASA history. It's like downloading 500,000 iTunes a day."

    Gentlemen, we are witnessing the birth of new units for download rate. I predict great success - expect to see your Steam games downloading at iTunes/day by this summer.

  15. Night by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're going to schedule it to arrive at night so it's safer.

  16. Make the data public by SoyMilkCowz · · Score: 0

    Knowing this projects is happening, and the potential to capture other events "never-before-seen" is exciting, however it would be much more appealing (to me) if the data was viewable. Lets say for instance, the solar probe utilizes a simple script to post a photo of the sun every 12 hours to a live feed, like a twitter or tumblr account. Would be fun to catch a daily of a nuclear explosion in the sky.

    1. Re:Make the data public by SBrach · · Score: 0

      What are you a vampire, just look up during the day.

    2. Re:Make the data public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Virtually ALL data from ALL scientific spacecraft is available, right now.

      Oh wait, you want to see processed data of interesting things? Yes, that is available too for sun... How about things like,

          http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime-images.html

      Seriously, ALL data is out there and available. Just look for it instead of being just whining on forums about not being fed it trough CNN or Fox or whatever.

    3. Re:Make the data public by SoyMilkCowz · · Score: 1

      I appreciate the link, I didn't mean to whine, I was trying to join the conversation by showing my desire.

    4. Re:Make the data public by SoyMilkCowz · · Score: 1

      Sigh, once I got 5 at the sun stare - though it looked more like a giant ball of light rather than a detailed HDMI of the surface. Unless of course most people are able to comfortably look at the sun, then yes I am a vampire.

  17. Some Advice For the Robot by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do not look at sun with remaining camera.

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  18. Another Messed Up Summary by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 1

    You don't rendezvous with something by pointing a camera at it. I'm guessing the guy who wrote the summary either doesn't know what the word means, or is some sort of deluded voyeur? "Yeah, I rendezvous with the chick across the street every night - she NEVER closes her curtains!"

    1. Re:Another Messed Up Summary by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      You know that this is Slashdot, right? ;)

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    2. Re:Another Messed Up Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You don't rendezvous with something by pointing a camera at it."

      Well, it was written by a slashdotter, wasn't it? They don't know how to buy Sun some nice flowers and invite her to dinner.

  19. The sun?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope they sent it at night...

  20. Meet the NEW NASA by babboo65 · · Score: 1

    The current administration cuts have affected this program. They realise the expense of sending a probe to the sun is costly and a one-way trip.

    To reduce these costs and to be able to retrieve their probe the current administration has decided we'll go at night.

    1. Re:Meet the NEW NASA by IceFoot · · Score: 1

      The current administration cuts have affected this program. They realize the expense of sending a probe to the sun is costly and a one-way trip.

      To reduce these costs and to be able to retrieve their probe, the current administration has decided we'll just put it in earth orbit instead.

  21. Eclipse Periods: 2-3 weeks each by oneiros27 · · Score: 1

    They're calling for more than a few days of the year:

    The disadvantges of this orbit include higher launch and orbit acquisition costs (relative to LEO) and eclipse (Earth shadow) seasons twice annually, During these 2-3 week eclipse periods, SDO will experience a daily interruption of solar observations. There will also be three lunar shadow events each year from this orbit.

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  22. Legitimacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or they could just throw it all in a torrent and put it on TPB.

  23. Oh, great! by dwiget001 · · Score: 0, Troll

    I can see, in the next five years, "the sky is falling" fear mongering about "Solar Climate Change".

    You give them an inch, they take 150 million kilometers.

  24. Call me nuts by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 0

    And tell me that conspiracy theories are all b*llshit, but I guess this solar probe mission is not only to protect astronauts and satellites, but to protect the very existence of our planet. Some theories suggest that dinosaurs became extinct not due to a giant asteroid impact but due to magnetic poles displacement.

    And I'd be glad to hear the craziest thoughts on this issue.

    1. Re:Call me nuts by khallow · · Score: 1

      It's worth noting that magnetic fields of Earth fluctuate and reverse a lot. Glancing at [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal]Wikipedia[/url], it looks like we're in a period of unusually frequent field reversals (on the order of once a million years with considerable randomness) and that the frequency of these reversals has been increasing since the late Cretaceous (the last era of the dinosaurs). As far as I know, no pattern of extinctions have been correlated with magnetic field reversals.

  25. NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Censoring your space experience since the 1960s. More false horizons please.

  26. We must try these "shades" by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Wasn't this on an episode of Josie & the Pussycats in Space? A bunch of giant aliens captured the ship so they could fly it into their sun to extinguish it. But then those darn kids foiled their plan but suggested they try sunglasses instead.

  27. SDO runs over sundog by ozbird · · Score: 1

    The launch footage posted on SpaceWeather.com is very impressive.

  28. Somebody tell Hotblack Desiato by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

    NASA stole his ship.

  29. The Floyd Had it Right Years ago by Phoghat · · Score: 1
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