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Mining EXIF Data From Camera Phones

emeitner notes that folks at the Internet Storm Center wrote scripts that harvested 15,291 images from Twitpic and analyzed the EXIF information. This reader adds, "While mining EXIF data from images is nothing new, how many people would allow this data to leave their cell phone if they knew what it contained? The source code for the scripts is also available from the article." "399 images included the location of the camera at the time the image was taken, and 102 images included the name of the photographer. ... The iPhone is including the most EXIF information among the images we found. ... It not only includes the phone's location, but also accelerometer data showing if the phone was moved at the time the picture was taken and the readout from the [built-]in compass showing in which direction the phone was pointed at the time."

175 comments

  1. The metadata by Hmmm2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Someday soon a politician will post what appears to be a benign photo with an embarrassing long/lat location.

    1. Re:The metadata by toastar · · Score: 5, Funny
    2. Re:The metadata by TheLink · · Score: 3, Funny

      Most people have a lassitude attitude with latitude.

      They give sites way too much latitude. Even if it may reveal their turpitude.

      Not enough aptitude and too much ineptitude.

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    3. Re:The metadata by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Someday soon a politician will post what appears to be a benign photo with an embarrassing long/lat location.

      Ah... but perhaps they already have, and it's already out there- it's just that no-one has realised it yet.

      In which case, there's nothing they can do about it now. :-/

      This is why you should be cautious about what information you release. Even if there's no known exploit for information at the time you give it out; even if you tighten things up once a given danger becomes known... your old information is still out there, and now subject to *newer* information-retrieval techniques.

      If it's time-sensitive information (e.g. you don't want $REPRESSIVE_DICTATORIAL_REGIME to know your current location), then their being able to retrieve such info two years down the line is meaningless. On the other hand, if it (e.g.) revealed the previously unknown fact that you were active with an anti-government organisation, you're in trouble.

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    4. Re:The metadata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I want a date with that Megan chick.

    5. Re:The metadata by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Ah... but perhaps they already have, and it's already out there- it's just that no-one has realised it yet.

      400 images have "location of the camera at the time the image was taken" out of 15300. 100 of 15300 have the photographer's name.

      You're all getting lathered up over 2.6% and 0.65%????? That's serious overreaction!

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    6. Re:The metadata by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      How much more information would it take to identify this guy to his wife? Or to someone who might want to embarrass him for some reason?

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    7. Re:The metadata by Advocatus+Diaboli · · Score: 1

      Hey, I wrote about this concept a few weeks ago on my blog. Even submitted a link to slashdot and have outlined certain possibilities that we will likely see in the future. Here it is again: http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/self-shots-gps-enabled-smartphones-and-data-mining/

    8. Re:The metadata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You mean like when Arnold did it, last year?
      http://strydehax.blogspot.com/2009/10/wheres-arnold.html

    9. Re:The metadata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool, now Obama doesn't even need to invent some rope-a-dope justification for obtaining your phone's location without a warrant!

      Yours in Totalitarianism,
      Tony Rezko, convicted felon, former Chicago slumlord, and one-time realtor to the Obamas

    10. Re:The metadata by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "Even if it may reveal their turpitude."

      This thread is worthless without pics of the pulchritude!

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    11. Re:The metadata by Nutria · · Score: 1

      The left-rear quarter of a medium-height salt-and-pepper hair white guy who, for all we know,

      • might already be divorced,
      • own/work at the joint, or
      • be the "old man" of some skank who works there.
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    12. Re:The metadata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my god, a former criminal was a one-time realtor to the Obamas? Stop the presses. I have never heard such a strong case of guilt-by-association!! Busted Mr. President! So if the guy working at the coffee place I went to this morning did a small stretch for counterfeiting back in the 80s, good lord what does that say about me?? I MUST be a criminal as well!!!! Only criminals have any sort of dealings with other criminals!!!

    13. Re:The metadata by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 1

      A more important fact in those statistics is:

      If your camera releases that data at all, it does so with every picture you take.

      It's not "only 2% of my pictures include the photographer's name" (the fallacy of assuming an entered name to be identical to the current holder of the device is a different discussion). It's 2% of the pictures taken were done by such cameras. ... which could be only one prolific photographer, or could be (for that sample) 400 separate cameras.

      If you're going to get lathered up (or complain about those who do), do so about the right statistics.

    14. Re:The metadata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like most Anonymous Coward threads on /.

    15. Re:The metadata by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      You're all getting lathered up over 2.6% and 0.65%????? That's serious overreaction!

      Who was getting lathered up and overreacting? I pointed it out as an interesting possibility, using it as a starting point to discuss a more general (and serious) issue about privacy.

      Though as the other reply to your post points out, if *your* camera is doing it to some of your photos, it's likely doing it to *all* of them!

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    16. Re:The metadata by furbearntrout · · Score: 1

      I didn't even have to rtfC to remember which one that was. Does that make me a nerd?

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    17. Re:The metadata by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Someday soon a politician will post what appears to be a benign photo with an embarrassing long/lat location.

      And soon thereafter there will be laws that require cameras to default to minimal EXIF data.

  2. Photosynth Would Like This by QBasicer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Photosynth would probably find the information to be extremely useful. Unfortunately, the iPhone camera isn't terribly great (for now), but I can see some of the exif tags coming to more "consumer" cameras (Point and shoot). Almost every online photo service and social networking site could use this information in many ways, such as automatic correlation of pictures and events, concerts, etc.

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    1. Re:Photosynth Would Like This by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While I'm guessing you can use applications to strip this data...is there anyway (particularly on the iPhone) to keep it from setting this metadata in the first place?!?!

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    2. Re:Photosynth Would Like This by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Now you mention it, the information from the iPhone could be useful for correctly placing a photo in an application such as Google Earth. You would know what angle the camera was in, what direction it was pointing and given the fact its a fixed zoom how line everything up. You could then even use a temporal guide to view evolution of the location over time, given multiple photos.

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    3. Re:Photosynth Would Like This by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Nokia is already working on that, albeit opt-in.

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    4. Re:Photosynth Would Like This by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      Aren't all the online photo services and social networking sites already using EXIF data? I think they're only hindered by the people who aren't inserting latitude/longitude info.

    5. Re:Photosynth Would Like This by v1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      the information from the iPhone could be useful for correctly placing a photo in an application such as Google Earth.

      iPhoto and Aperture are already taking advantage of this enhanced metadata.

      Digital cameras can really stuff the metadata in. Exposure etc are all in there usually. Sometimes other things like camera model and firmware rev.

      I wonder if any of them are putting in too much information though? As in phone number, phone ESN, email address, etc, things most would not want in their pictures without notice...

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    6. Re:Photosynth Would Like This by Firehed · · Score: 3, Informative

      Individual apps require you to give them the OK to get location data, but that only applies to shots taken from the app itself and not those that pull from the existing photo library. You can turn location services off entirely, but I can't find an immediately obvious way to revoke privileges from individual apps.

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    7. Re:Photosynth Would Like This by trapnest · · Score: 1

      FYI, the iPhone doesn't have an ESN, it has an imei.

    8. Re:Photosynth Would Like This by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "You can turn location services off entirely"

      I can't find a way to do this on an iPhone...do you know how to do this?

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    9. Re:Photosynth Would Like This by dotgain · · Score: 1

      Did you try the most obvious place for settings on an iPhone, Settings -> General -> Location Services ?

    10. Re:Photosynth Would Like This by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Thanks..didn't know that was there!!!

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  3. dumb question by toastar · · Score: 1

    How hard is it to extract this data, Do you need a special tool or can i see it all in photoshop

    1. Re:dumb question by WinterSolstice · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exif is even viewable on OSX and Windows by just looking at the file's properties.

      Most artists actually *rely* on EXIF (and carefully protect it) to establish things like Copyright - not to mention keeping track of settings.
      If my phone *didn't* tag my photos with my name I'd be a bit miffed :)

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    2. Re:dumb question by QBasicer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If my phone *didn't* tag my photos with my name I'd be a bit miffed :)

      Generally yes. Unless you want to anonymously submit a photo, and you had no idea this information was stored inside the picture.

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    3. Re:dumb question by Z34107 · · Score: 2, Informative

      How hard is it to extract this data, Do you need a special tool or can i see it all in photoshop

      It's not hard at all. On Vista and 7, right-click on the file, select properties, and go to "details." It might work on XP as well.

      Depending on your folder view, all you might have to do is select the file.

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    4. Re:dumb question by nicknamenotavailable · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For most of my photos, this works:

      cat image_name.jpg | strings | more

    5. Re:dumb question by maxume · · Score: 2, Informative

      You should be able to look at the most interesting details in most up to date image software.

      The buzzsaw is ExifTool:

      http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/

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    6. Re:dumb question by Firehed · · Score: 1

      If it's a service that exists for that kind of thing (Wikileaks?), they should know well enough to strip that data out themselves.

      Not that I'd want to rely on someone else. You'd be astonished at the number of websites that don't even hash or encrypt passwords.

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    7. Re:dumb question by Joreallean · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then maybe you should take a little more responsibility for what you are posting for the public to view.

    8. Re:dumb question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like to examine the exif information on the sexting photos I google for.

    9. Re:dumb question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they *rely* on EXIF dqta to establish copyright they are pretty dumb. EXIF data can be esaily manipulated or even removed altogether. I can replace your (C) Copyright WinterSolstice notice with a (C) Copyright AnonymousCoward notice with just a couple of clicks

    10. Re:dumb question by WinterSolstice · · Score: 1

      Nobody *relies* on it by itself - it's just one of many tools to try to prevent copyright infringement.

      The problem is that photos/images must be seen to be useful, and if they can be seen, they can be stolen :)

      I post my stuff with no EXIF data except the copyright, plus a watermark (non-visible) plus a watermark (visible), plus reduced color/size, plus digital compression with loss (JPG/PNG at about 85%) - therefore in *theory* I can point to my original uncropped image with EXIF at higher color, free of compression, etc etc.

      Does it work? Hardly. Better than nothing though.

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    11. Re:dumb question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I don't think you get the point.

    12. Re:dumb question by guruevi · · Score: 1

      If you plan on submitting something anonymous, you should know what you're doing. Even if you go low-tech, there are things like handwriting analysis, printers that either intentionally or unintentionally code a unique signature in images, private investigators, cell phone tower data and satellites that could track you down. It's also up to the one publishing the information to make sure all data that could potentially identify their source has been stripped.

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    13. Re:dumb question by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Actually both of you are making a good point.

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    14. Re:dumb question by Eudial · · Score: 1

      For most of my photos, this works:

      cat image_name.jpg | strings | more

      Of course, "strings" takes files as an argument, so

      "strings image_name.jpg | less"

      Would do just as fine. You know. Less is more. Doubly so in this case.

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    15. Re:dumb question by nicknamenotavailable · · Score: 1

      I know, I thought about it right after I posted.

      I have my own version of cat, so I have a bad habit of using it even when I don't need to.

    16. Re:dumb question by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1
      Unless you print out the digital picture, then scan it - you cannot remove all "identifying" material from the image.

      Different manufacturers have characteristic pixel anomalies, and I wouldn't want to bet that forensics couldn't match the image to the device that took the picture. Eg. the photo shows a alleged drug crime in Australia - reversal of onus means that to be "not guilty" you must must prove reasonable doubt... bit hard if the forensics shows it's "highly unlikely" that the picture (with altered or removed EXIF data) was produced by your device.

      Better make sure you've got your timezone set right when a year down the track you are accused of murder and some investigator thinks the incorrect time in EXIF date embedded in the pic you posted to Flicker blows your alibi...

      Just - saying....

    17. Re:dumb question by WinterSolstice · · Score: 1

      You seem to have thought this out a bit too thoroughly :D

      Actually, my point was more helping to assert ownership of the photo (like having negatives does), less like proving it wasn't tampered with.

      Your point is... a bit different, I think :)

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    18. Re:dumb question by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1

      You seem to have thought this out a bit too thoroughly :D

      No. "thought" would require using my brain, and I didn't. I'm an idiot 'cause I should have quoted the post I was responding to - like so:-

      If they *rely* on EXIF dqta to establish copyright they are pretty dumb. EXIF data can be esaily manipulated or even removed altogether. I can replace your (C) Copyright WinterSolstice notice with a (C) Copyright AnonymousCoward notice with just a couple of clicks

  4. meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I can't be bothered to set the clock on my camera, let alone enter personal data.

    1. Re:meh by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't be bothered to set the clock on my camera, let alone enter personal data.

      Not a problem on CELL PHONE cameras!

    2. Re:meh by KC7JHO · · Score: 1

      While I completely understand the sentiment, even most Point and Shoot cameras come with some type of software for downloading the pictures from the camera. This software will usually use the EXIF data to help organize your pictures by date taken, location (If available), etc. The real problem is that when uploading directly from your cell phone you are not given the option to strip that data from the file. If you upload it to your computer first you can just right click on it in windows explorer, or what ever other file browser you are using, and select properties (then advanced properties if needed on windows XP) and delete the data you want to, close the file ant the new properties will be saved to it.

  5. The iPhone metadata was already known I thought? by jo_ham · · Score: 1

    Wasn't there a demo during the release of the iPhone 3GS keynote that showed the use of this metadata with a bunch of GPS-aware cameras, including the iPhone and the new version of iPhoto that uses this data to create clickable maps with pushpins for each photo you have taken?

    I suppose some people could think it was "magic", since embedded data in an image isn't something that is immediately obvious to a normal user. Perhaps if it was called "Virtual Writing on the back of your Photos".

  6. Oh Noes!!! by RemoWilliams84 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Now someone will be able to track down the location of my precious kitty cat, Scruffles.

    I must never take pictures of him again. /sarcasm

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    1. Re:Oh Noes!!! by SydShamino · · Score: 2, Funny

      If "Scruffles" is the name of your favorite male cat-dresser/entertainer at the local strip joint, and you're a politician, someone will be able to A) see the name of the person who took the photo (you!), and B) see where you were when you took it.

      So much for anonymously uploading your photos to furryfun.com.

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    2. Re:Oh Noes!!! by prockcore · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you're a politician, you're screwed the minute you set foot in a strip joint. It's not like the people inside have signed non disclosure agreements.

    3. Re:Oh Noes!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Now someone will be able to track down the location of my precious kitty cat, Scruffles.

      I haz Scruffles, will ak-cupt ranzom
      3 punds of catnip & 2 fish
      lv ranzom bi garage
      den Scruffles will be relezed

    4. Re:Oh Noes!!! by KlaymenDK · · Score: 1

      If you're a politician, you're screwed the minute you set foot in a strip joint.

      Aww man, those VIP's always get special treatment!

    5. Re:Oh Noes!!! by raddan · · Score: 1

      Unless you're from Nevada. That place is practically made of strip joints.

  7. Warrent by toastar · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder how many grow ops have been busted by the cops looking through twitpics/myspace photos metadata.

    1. Re:Warrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OH FUCK!

      *runs off of slashdot to immediately take off all pictures and move the grow rooms to a new, secure location*

    2. Re:Warrent by StreetStealth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I just checked my most recent Yfrog upload (of something completely innocuous) which I shot and tweeted directly from my iPhone and it looks like every last bit of metadata has been stripped. It doesn't even say what it was shot with.

      Don't know how Twitpic and others work, but so far so good.

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    3. Re:Warrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jpegs downloaded from Facebook do not appear to retain the EXIF info

  8. Scrubbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    No picture leaves this computer before it has been subjected to "jhead -purejpg". Something else to look out for: Image data beyond the edge of the image after lossless resizing and orphaned preview images embedded in the JPG, showing the full uncropped picture. The latter is dealt with by the "jhead -purejpg" command, the former isn't.

    1. Re:Scrubbing by TorKlingberg · · Score: 1

      Image data beyond the edge of the image after lossless resizing

      I never heard of that. Could you elaborate or provide a link for further reference?

    2. Re:Scrubbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I meant lossless cropping. If the image boundary doesn't lie on JPG block boundaries, the image data "outside" of the image in these border blocks is retained and just hidden by the size specification of the JPG. The JPG block size is 8x8, so there is a border of 0 to 7 pixels around the image that is not normally visible.

    3. Re:Scrubbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jhead: Very cool utility. Thanks!

  9. So? by stokessd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe I need another layer on my tinfoil hat, but after reading the summary (and only the summary, obviously) all I can say is, "So what?"

    After all, it's not like the pictures somehow snuck onto the interwebs without the users knowledge, the photographs actively put them there. Beyond that, I really don't care if someone knows my name, and where I was standing when I took a picture. In fact knowing where pictures were taken can lead to some really cool mashups of tourist photos and such.

    Wake me when exif data routinely contains my passwords, social security number, and credit card number.

    Sheldon

    1. Re:So? by Animaether · · Score: 0, Troll

      Say you're witnessing a crime from your comfy couch and decide to take a picture and post it on the interwebs for... I dunno, "teh lulz" or because you want to become anonyfamous in some CNN iReport or who cares.
      Now, nothing in the picture itself identifies you or where it was shot.

      But then the EXIF data comes in and gives the perp, or his buddies, the exact location from where the picture was taken. Next thing you know, your house/its occupants are a target.

      Perhaps we should all be 'smart enough' to strip the EXIF data when it comes to such images - but when the users themselves might not even know that their phone (of all things) is including this data when they use the little twitpic app to quick-submit the thing...

      I can certainly see reason, at least, for such utilities to strip this data by default / prompt the user / etc.

    2. Re:So? by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      When chased by a tiger, you don't have to outrun the tiger. You only have to outrun your colleague.

      Or you could just trip them, and walk away.

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    3. Re:So? by BobNET · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'd be pretty concerned if I put up a gallery titled "Niagara Falls - January, 2010" and someone checked the EXIF tags to discover that I was in Niagara Falls in January, 2010...

    4. Re:So? by Andraax · · Score: 1

      Say you're witnessing a crime from your comfy couch and decide to take a picture and post it on the interwebs for... I dunno, "teh lulz" or because you want to become anonyfamous in some CNN iReport or who cares.
      Now, nothing in the picture itself identifies you or where it was shot.

      But then the EXIF data comes in and gives the perp, or his buddies, the exact location from where the picture was taken. Next thing you know, your house/its occupants are a target.

      If the perp isn't smart enough to figure from the picture alone where you were when you took it - he was there after all, and just needs to go back and look around, matching the scene to the background of the photo - then he's probably not smart enough to use the EXIF data, either. Or even know about it.

    5. Re:So? by FunkyELF · · Score: 1

      What if you're entertaining guests at your house and take a picture. In the background someone sees that you have a nice plasma TV, PS3, xbox 360, etc.... they have the lat / lon of where those goods are.

    6. Re:So? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      In fact knowing where pictures were taken can lead to some really cool mashups of tourist photos and such.

      Yes, eventually Street Maps will just be a projection of user-published pictures.

      In the meantime, a good picture uploader will include a [x] Strip Identifying Information UI widget next to the 'upload' button, so it's all informed consent.

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    7. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beyond that, I really don't care if someone knows my name, and where I was standing when I took a picture.

      "Hmm, this random dude took a picture of his wife... She's hot. Looks like she's standing in front of her house. Let's see, where is that? Okay Bobby, you get the van, I'll grab the duct tape."

    8. Re:So? by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      After all, it's not like the pictures somehow snuck onto the interwebs without the users knowledge, the photographs actively put them there. Beyond that, I really don't care if someone knows my name, and where I was standing when I took a picture.

      Say I was taking pictures of last summer's police beating of a protester. I'd want to post the pictures immediately, not waiting until I get home and have a chance to remove the metadata, but at the same time, I'd want to post them anonymously until I'm sure I won't be subject to retaliation.

      (And yes, the police did attempt to retaliate against the people who posted video of the incident.)

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    9. Re:So? by BobNET · · Score: 1

      Why did I put this picture online?

    10. Re:So? by dotgain · · Score: 1

      Stalking existed long before GPS and EXIF. By your logic, men wouldn't have taken their wives to the supermarket / cinema / whatever for fear of some thug following them home to find out their address.

    11. Re:So? by grumbel · · Score: 1

      After all, it's not like the pictures somehow snuck onto the interwebs without the users knowledge,

      The photo didn't, but the info did. Normally your name or at least your address is something you keep away from random strangers on the Internet, but if you post a photo with EXIF data you open that up to everybody. You also link your real name to your pseudonym or in turn allow others to connect different pseudonyms that you might have wanted to keep seperate. If you post photos regularly they can also reconstruct what you are doing all day and especially when. And of course cropping the picture might not actually crop the thumbnail in the EXIF data.

      EXIF data also as plenty of legitimate use, that doesn't stop it from being pretty open to abuse.

    12. Re:So? by gbutler69 · · Score: 1

      Normally your name or at least your address is something you keep away from random strangers on the Internet,...

      Why? Seriously. When I was a child, and still to this day, anyone who has a phone can be looked up in the phone book. What is the danger of random strangers on the internet knowing your name and address? Most violent crimes (something like 99%) are committed by "friends" or family. Why is everyone so damned paranoid?

      By the way, my name is: Gerald E. Butler, I live at 2807 Summit Road, Copley, Ohio 44321.

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    13. Re:So? by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1

      By the way, my name is: Gerald E. Butler, I live at 2807 Summit Road, Copley, Ohio 44321.

      I have no mod points, so I must say: Well done, sir.

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    14. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then i take it you won't mind if i start mining faces of your friends in your photgraphs and correlate them with their respective photos to get more detail of where you live, usual patterns of movement / activity so that once i've got enough information i can steal basically everything from you without you even knowing (and i'm not just talking about digital details).

    15. Re:So? by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 1

      Well, now we know where you live, we already knew where you work. Hell, we even know what you look like. How hard would it be for someone to, say, hire a boat on Barberton Reservoir, run in while you are at work and smash your front window, grab whatever looks expensive and run back to the boat for a quick getaway? It looks like the neighbours don't have much visibility of your house, so it's probably not that hard....

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    16. Re:So? by gbutler69 · · Score: 1

      And your point is? How hard would that be to do anyway? What does knowing all this information have to do with anything. Also, how do you know I won't do everthing in my power to hunt you and your family down and kill you. How do you know I don't have hidden security cameras, etc. Seriously, knowing my name, address, and where I work is pretty much public information for anyone. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

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    17. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What burglar would trawl through hundred, or possibly tousands of photos looking for valuables in the hope of finding one with location info that is actually close enough to be a viable target?

      In the real world, they would go to a nice neighbourhood (where most residents are likely to have these things), and look for easy targets, say ones where people are stupid enough to leave the window open. And even if the easy targets don't have the plasma and PS3, they'll likely at least have some cash and jewellery that is easy to pocket, so they could be in and out in 10 minutes and not need to suspiciously carry bulky items away from the house.

    18. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And your point is? How hard would that be to do anyway?

      Now that someone else has figured out where you work, it took me a single mouse click to figure out your opinion on religion, and maybe I take advantage of the (I'm being hypothetical here, since I don't work there, but one of your co-workers might have also read it) fact that your boss is a God-fearing man who will have no truck with atheists.

      Suppose you're in middle-management, and the CEO is a staunch Republican, and one of your subordinates happens to be a Freeper or a Teabagger...

      Also, how do you know I won't do everthing in my power to hunt you and your family down and kill you.

      Because you'll never know who reported you to your boss for posting antireligious sentiments with more than an hour left to go during the work week. (I wonder if you posted that from a work computer.) You'll be long gone before they get the promotion to fill your shoes.

      This isn't a huge problem today. But when anyone can, from the comfort of their own computer, perform the equivalent of a "select NAME from EXIF where SPACETIME=that-protest-last-tuesday and EMPLOYER=mine and DEBATESIDE=the-side-your-company-isnt-on", they will.

      A more likely scenario is what the Bush-II-era DoJ did when vetting candidates for the Federal bench - you don't get fired, you just don't get hired in the first place. And unlike the DoJ case, where it was obvious that applicants were being selected for their public resumes (because they went to Bible colleges instead of real universities), the next time around, nobody will know why they weren't selected. They just won't get the job.

  10. What the heck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are zillions of images posted on public domain by millions...why should I care if you got to know that "I" took this picture in Tunisia and the camera was pointed to some blasted direction at some freaking angle...

  11. Pakistani Pizza? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That looks more like a quiche...

  12. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by EXMSFT · · Score: 1

    Yes - iPhoto features "Places", which tags them in a similar manner to what the article has done. As some have noted, the GPS data can be way wrong on an iPhone. Unlike the 5 blocks some have seen, in more rural states I've seen it be off by more than 20 miles (another city away).

  13. I'm all for EXIF by raddan · · Score: 3, Funny

    Especially when it means 800815. I'm looking at you, Cat Schwartz!

    1. Re:I'm all for EXIF by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Damn, you beat me to the reference. Sad though, the fantasy is always a lot better than the reality. I just hope when Morgan Webb takes her top off she doesn't have a bunch of nasty warts.

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    2. Re:I'm all for EXIF by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      Damn, you both beat me to the reference.

      I just hope when Morgan Webb takes her top off she doesn't have a bunch of nasty warts.

      Yeah, warts is ok by me, it's just those nasty warts that are ... well, nasty.

    3. Re:I'm all for EXIF by mewsenews · · Score: 1

      Especially when it means 800815

      BOOBIS?

    4. Re:I'm all for EXIF by raddan · · Score: 1

      LOL. Whoops.

  14. no problem... by sohp · · Score: 1

    This is why I shoot film on an old manual camera.

    1. Re:no problem... by Civil_Disobedient · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is why I shoot film on an old manual camera.

      And then drop off my film to get it processed.
      And then wait for it to get processed.
      And then scan it with my film scanner.
      And then correct it in Photoshop.
      And then go to Google Maps and try and remember just where I was when I took the shot.
      And then extract the longitude & latitude from the Google Maps URL.
      And then convert the longitude & latitude from decimal to radians.
      And then tag my photo with appropriate tags.

      Privacy for the fail.

    2. Re:no problem... by imunfair · · Score: 1

      Well if you're taking photos with a digital SLR you're probably saving to RAW, and then resaving a post-processed version in another format, so this wouldn't be an issue.

    3. Re:no problem... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most RAW processing software preserves the tags embedded in the RAW file.

      Presumably if you're doing RAW processing you're smart enough to know what EXIF is and make a conscious decision about which tags you want in your web-posted JPEG, but you never know.

    4. Re:no problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, you'll need your own darkroom if you don't want one of those 1-hour photo places seeing your pictures.

    5. Re:no problem... by PhxBlue · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And, as you sort of pointed out, it's not even privacy unless the photographer develops his own film.

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    6. Re:no problem... by Ltap · · Score: 1

      I think the idea behind the manual camera is to AVOID steps 5-8.

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    7. Re:no problem... by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      That assumes that he *wants* to put that info back into the majority of his photos, of course.

      But ignoring that elephant in the room :-) there are a few other things:-

      (1) If you're not obsessed with the quality, you can have your photos scanned when they're processed, and returned to you on a CD.

      (2) The "correct it in Photoshop" forgets that digital photos could often do with a bit of work in Photoshop as well.

      (3) I'd be surprised if someone hadn't already invented a tool that used Google maps somehow to allow someone to click a point on a map and have a particular photograph automatically tagged with that location. It's only five or six years since digital SLRs became affordable for the man on the street, and around ten for digital compacts, so even people who are now all-digital may still have a lot of old scanned film photos they'll want to tag.

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  15. EXIF and hidden thumbnails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    EXIFs can also contain thumbnails that can sometimes reveal more than needed after for example cropping the original.
    http://no.spam.ee/~tonu/exif/

    1. Re:EXIF and hidden thumbnails by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      I recall encountering at some point a bug in which windows would not regenerate the thumbnail preview for a jpg. this caused some hilarious results when i became the recipient of an edited (black censor bars editing) photo whos thumbnail was still pristine.

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  16. The horror! by paimin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It not only includes the phone's location, but also accelerometer data showing if the phone was moved at the time the picture was taken and the readout from the [built-]in compass showing in which direction the phone was pointed at the time.

    Not only that, the file exposes an image from the phone's camera. Won't someone think of the children!

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  17. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I suppose some people could think it was "magic", since embedded data in an image isn't something that is immediately obvious to a normal user.

    Try saying "metadata" to the average computer user. It's like watching a BSOD on someone's face; And that's exactly the problem here -- devices shipping with privacy-compromising features enabled by default. Joe Average doesn't even know it's possible, let alone that his iPhone is serrepticiously leaking a bunch of personal information everytime he posts a photo he snapped with it to some internet site. I can see it now -- "Hey, check out this cute girl's panties I snapped in class..." Oops. Oh, the bitter irony to be had there -- you're busted violating someone else's privacy because you didn't know your own was being violated by your cell phone. Brilliant.

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  18. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by jo_ham · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's a time thing I think - when I fire up the map app on the phone it often takes a little while to update and settle on a GPS fix, probably because the GPS isn't powered on all the time for battery life, and it can take upto 30 seconds to register a satellite (due to the nature of the GPS signal itself), so if you just pop open the photo app and take a shot quickly you might get wildly inaccurate data.

  19. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Informative

    The location data can be very wrong. If you don't have an adequate line of sight to the sky the phone will use cell towers to triangulate. If you can't see enough of them, it will use a wifi database to guess. If you've got a crappy (or no) cell connection but a clear view of the sky it might take a considerable amount of time for the GPS to lock on.

  20. There is always the alternative... by geegel · · Score: 1

    ... of stripping the EXIF metadata. Just saying.

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  21. If you're surprised you're a fool by syousef · · Score: 1

    You have to go out of your way to include location in your pic. You need to be outdoors with most phones to get a clean GPS signal and have the GPS on the phone switched on and the camera set to include GPS data. GPS is still an advanced (and desired!) feature on non-mobile phone cameras that people pay extra money for. It's just that many phones now happen to include both a camera and a GPS so giving the user the option to record the two makes sense. On a decent camera, in all but the top of the line SLRs you still have to get additional hardware to do it.

    Pretending this is some sort of major security iisk is asinine.

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    1. Re:If you're surprised you're a fool by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      The risk isn't from SLRs or compact cameras, it's from the people who emit a steady stream of blurry, compromising pictures from their cell phone cameras directly onto thing like Twitter. Now, they probably don't really care about privacy anyway, but it's worth noting.

    2. Re:If you're surprised you're a fool by KC7JHO · · Score: 1

      Yep those pictures of that chick you took with your cell phone and then forwarded to everyone at your school? Yep those pictures have your name saved to the EXIF data and is easily readable on any computer some one wants to upload them to. In fact I bet "There is an App for that!"

    3. Re:If you're surprised you're a fool by syousef · · Score: 1

      Well if you're dumb enough to take those pics, and you're dumb enough to forward them, and you're dumb enough to do that without stripping the EXIF, you deserve what you get.

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  22. Does the Iphone turn all that on by default? by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

    Personally, I enabled the GPS tagging on my phone on purpose. Normally it's off, and the only other interesting thing in the exif tags are the model of the phone. I enjoy having a GPS tag on each pic in case I want to go back and look at exactly where I was when it was taken. I did remember to turn it off before taking a picture of the secret location I buried my treasure of gold doubloons, so I think it should be safe.

    Long story short, what could possibly go wrong? I could see how an Iphone user (if this stuff is turned on by default) would be caught off guard by all the extra info in the tag. However, unless you are really oversharing everything else, like "look at this sweet pic of my new 50" tv... too bad I will be on vacation for two weeks starting tomorrow and wont be able to watch it... hope no one realizes the spare key is under the door mat... And my social security card is in the cookie jar next to my birth certificate..." Would an Iphone user really be *that* stupid? Wait, no, don't answer that.

    1. Re:Does the Iphone turn all that on by default? by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      Of course, how else would it be considered user friendly?

  23. I never publish with EXIF by rimugu · · Score: 1

    I never publish photos with any EXIF.
    There are tons of utilities out there to remove it, I use this: http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/jhead/

    I still have to silence the cell phone camera. It is annoying.

    1. Re:I never publish with EXIF by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      I found a photo of an NFL player (formerly somewhat obscure, and not available through normal channels) I wanted to get printed. An original jpg shot by the photographer was posted on the team's fan site. I used the exif data to look up who the photographer was and - with a simple google search - contacted him via his website. He made me two nice prints, for a fairly reasonable charge. Yes, I could have had them printed myself and the photog would have been none the wiser, but it seems right to support his work. FWIW, both 18x24 prints cost me about $100, including shipping.

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  24. "Twitpic"? by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Funny

    Amazing honesty.

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  25. Sharpie in the pooper! by AdamTrace · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Someone posted a picture of their girlfriend's rear end with a sharpie sticking out of it to a popular anonymous image-sharing web board.

    Unfortunately, the image contained EXIF data, including latitude and longitude. It was quick work to come up with a name and address and all sorts of other information...

    Good times.

    1. Re:Sharpie in the pooper! by digitalsushi · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't know about that, I have Verizon Wireless.

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    2. Re:Sharpie in the pooper! by skuzzlebutt · · Score: 1

      As disappoint in myself I am to admit it, I've seen a few threads that went that way.

      "Hey look, I'm a camwhore with bathroom mirror nudie pix!"

      "Hey, look, I found your lat/lon in the EXIF data"

      "Hey, look, I found your house on Google Maps at this link. RAEDZ!"

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    3. Re:Sharpie in the pooper! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The real disappointment happens when the 'houseguests' show up at the exact L/L location and realize it's about five houses off, and they bang on the door to the house of some fat slob who shows up at the door with his bath robe half open.

    4. Re:Sharpie in the pooper! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and then it’s only a short matter of time before the picture gets mailed to your parents, faxed and e-mailed to your school, ...

    5. Re:Sharpie in the pooper! by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Someone posted a picture of their girlfriend's rear end with a sharpie sticking out of it to a popular anonymous image-sharing web board.

      Could she write stuff with it, or did she have it in, um... the wrong way round to do that?

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    6. Re:Sharpie in the pooper! by dissy · · Score: 1

      Yes, and then it's only a short matter of time before the picture gets mailed to your parents, faxed and e-mailed to your school, ...

      One should probably consider those outcomes anyway when posting pictures of yourself that even you would be embarrassed for people to see. (Not you personally, but you know, that 'you'.)

      In fact, you shouldn't put up a picture of anything you don't want people to see. That is sort of the entire point of a picture after all.

  26. Facebook strips exif by Leebert · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've actually found it kind of annoying that Facebook strips exif data. I've wanted to pull it out of some of the pics of friends' iPhone photos and creep them out by knowing where they were when they took them. :)

    1. Re:Facebook strips exif by ianezz · · Score: 1

      Facebook strips exif

      Facebook doesn't have the original image data: images uploaded via its Java applet are already scaled down, in multiple sizes (all the sizes FB uses them), possibly reencoding everything to jpeg with low quality. It's a way to offload the scaling work to clients (storage is cheaper than CPU).

  27. Conspiracy! by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

    FBI Agent A: Dammit guys, they found out about the EXIF stuff. Now what are we going to do to get data from these pictures?

    FBI Agent B: Let's just Photoshop in some crack like we used to.

    FBI Agent A: Promote that man!

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    1. Re:Conspiracy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enhance it!

  28. More fun with Math by Snowgen · · Score: 5, Informative

    399 images included the location of the camera at the time the image was taken, and 102 images included the name of the photographer. ...

    Or, to summarize from the other point of view...

    "97.4% of images did not include the location of the camera at the time the image was taken, and 99.3% of images did not include the name of the photographer. ... "

  29. Off-Topic: Good EXIF editing library? by TejWC · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sorry for being off-topic here, but I was wondering if anybody knows a good OSS EXIF editing library/software.

    I tried libexif, but it seems to be rather limited in functionality (you can't add in new comments) and other libraries seem to be read only. It would be really useful to be able to easily edit the EXIF data like location, name of photographer, etc.

    1. Re:Off-Topic: Good EXIF editing library? by ianezz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Exiftool. Perl, but with standalone packages for platforms where Perl is not available by default.

    2. Re:Off-Topic: Good EXIF editing library? by warriorpostman · · Score: 1

      Any machine where you can install the ImageMagick library should have the utilities you need to strip that info.

    3. Re:Off-Topic: Good EXIF editing library? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ExifTool

    4. Re:Off-Topic: Good EXIF editing library? by maxume · · Score: 1

      Exiv fits your description:

      http://www.exiv2.org/index.html

      (I find the already mentioned ExifTool better for command line stuff)

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  30. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

    The GPS is constant, my phone is always 2+ blocks off

  31. Considering by earnest+murderer · · Score: 1

    how much I paid for the features, it damn well better be in there.

    The real issue at hand is that neither the camera or management software have a system to remove/obfiscate that data and some apparently deliberately hide it from you.

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  32. Wait a second by AGSHender · · Score: 1

    There's a privacy concern about the digital compass metadata telling someone else what direction you were facing...when they're looking at the picture? Can't you just look at the picture and figure out what direction the photographer was facing?

  33. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Rule 1 when doing something stupid and / or illegal:

    Know your tech. Remember - stupid criminals get caught.

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  34. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd say it's more likely that your maps are off then

  35. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by Reece400 · · Score: 1

    Really though, most people will benifit from these tags, I think the cameras recording them is great.

    However I think websites should strip this content when uploaded, or at least offer some kind of warning to users that the content exists (reading exif data is simple, it could easily show them what is in the photo and ask them what they'd like to do..)

  36. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by clone53421 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Facebook strips the EXIF data...

    and then saves the photo with a filename that includes the Facebook user ID of the person who uploaded it.

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  37. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by ottothecow · · Score: 1
    I have nokia sports tracker on my phone (its great...I wish nokia pushed more stuff like this in the US instead of being provider lapdogs and disabling all useful features). It has an export to web function where you can see my route taken as well as stats like speed and elevation change...nice google maps overlays and charts of various things (apparently some phones even support bluetooth heartrate monitors).

    When I upload to the service, it has an option to include any media which well then include any pictures I took with the phone while using the sports tracker (cycling in my case usually). To get it to pick up the photos though, I do have to be running the GPS tagger app in the background (so I can keep my pictures untagged by not actively running the app)

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  38. NASA, I'm on to you! by nicknamenotavailable · · Score: 1

    The EXIF data in the moon photographs will surely prove that the moon landings were faked.

  39. "Big Brother" made cool... by logicassasin · · Score: 1

    ... The title pretty much sums it up. Big Brother was made "cool" and the public welcomed it with open arms.

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  40. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by Firehed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given the choice of convenience/cool features or privacy/security, users* will ALWAYS pick convenience/features. 100% of the time. To them, it's not "leaking a bunch of personal information", but enabling that "oh cool, it knows I took these pictures down by the waterfront and stuck them on the map for me" stuff.

    * Normal users. Us paranoid slashdotters (and, in general, people that actually understand the necessity and implications of privacy and security) need not apply to that stat.

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  41. EXIF Twiddling by GeoVizer · · Score: 1

    Perl-its can use the excellent "Image::EXIF" on CPAN. I'd love to find an equivalent library for Java. Anyone know of one?

  42. Re:too much information by An+anonymous+Frank · · Score: 1

    Just noticed that my new point and shoot includes its own serial number in there, which I kinda liked at first, since it might help me locate it should it end up in someone else's hands without my consent!

    Though it does make all my snapshots totally traceable.

  43. Remove EXIF metadata? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone should make a software that removes EXIF metadata. That strips it from an image.

    $ stripexif img_5643.jpg

  44. Oh no! by LeonPierre · · Score: 1

    You mean to tell me that a photograph of something is capable telling me where that thing is?!

    I sure hope that if I take a picture of the Empire State Building no one would be able to determine where I was where I took it.....

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  45. Accelerometer by kcitren · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How good is the accelerometer and digital compass? Is it good enough to be able to do some blur / shake reduction of the image? Or how about improved panorama auto-stitching? This could actually be interesting... Maybe I need to break down and get an iphone, or wait for a camera enabled ipod.

    1. Re:Accelerometer by penguinchris · · Score: 1

      Check out the Nexus One - higher resolution camera than the iphone, and much easier to write applications for (you don't have to pay Apple anything) - there aren't any camera applications that are better than google's default that I've seen, but I think there's a lot of room for really cool stuff like you're describing in the future as more apps are written.

      The accelerometer and compass on the nexus one are very good, and from what I've seen on an ipod touch I think it's pretty good on there too, though I don't know if either is high enough in resolution to really be used for shake reduction in any meaningful way.

      Some apps that use the camera will try to detect movement, and wait to take the picture until you're holding it relatively steady, which may be what you were thinking of. The really good anti-shake systems in digital cameras, though, physically move either the image sensor itself or lens elements to counter-act your shaking, which isn't something you can really emulate in software.

      I think there's a lot of room for other stuff, like panorama stitching and so on. The accelerometer is definitely high enough resolution to help with something like that.

  46. Probably fake, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This one went around recently:

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/akdobbins/someones-doing-coke-at-the-white-house

    I think the consensus was it was probably faked (which is a useful point about metadata in itself!). But it shows the kind of problems that metadata could cause.

  47. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i just bought an iphone 3gs yesterday... the location metadata was not enabled by default as you claim.

    in fact every time the phone wants to attach the data it prompts the user.

  48. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by dotgain · · Score: 1

    The iPhone actually uses Google Maps, FYI. 3rd Party GPS applications come with their own maps, however.

  49. Nothing new here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I've been looking at EXIF data in photos for years. It can work in to prove people are lying or at least maybe not being completely truthful with a specific forum post. Like someone claims they just took a photo of an accident scene or some a product and the EXIF data has references to a completely different person or a date a few years ago etc... I use a viewer app in Windows called XNView to modify or sanitize my pictures EXIF data in batches before I upload to places like photobucket or Google. Irvanview does it as well but I like XNView better.

    If you want to view EXIF data, Windows can see it be default with properties as can the default Gnome viewer "EYE of Gnome".

  50. Paranoid? by careysb · · Score: 0

    Just 'cause you're paranoid doesn't mean that somebody isn't out to get you. :o]

  51. What cameras? by bicho · · Score: 1

    What digital cameras (not .*phones) add exif location metadata information to the pictures?

    I have a simple Canon PowerShot SX100IS.

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  52. Nuke it with ExifTool by korpenkraxar · · Score: 1

    If metadata is such a concern, one simple command with ExifTool http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/ can recursively delete all exif info in your whole image collection. And no, I will not post it can be just as destructive as rm -rf /

  53. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by BikeHelmet · · Score: 1

    One of my uncles used to work in IT in the 80's. He actually disabled Autorun on his first Windows PC.

    I agree that privacy/security concerned users are few and far between.

  54. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by furball · · Score: 1

    If you want your iPhone location metadata to be correct, use the Map application to get a precise GPS lock. The location manager will cache that information and provide it any other application that is looking for location information. There is a caveat that you need to use other applications (such as the camera) within a certain time frame and distance moved.

  55. Interesting use of EXIF data by cdrguru · · Score: 1

    Some particularly non-techie types that enjoy taking and sharing pictures of under-18 folks have been known to save and distribute such pictures with EXIF data. Sometimes including GPS information or camera serial number data.

    The camera serial number is useful if the owner registers the camera with the manufacturer. The serial number can be used to look up the registration.

    The GPS information is of pretty obvious value, assuming the pictures are taken at home. Put that information into a GPS device and it will guide you right there.

    Either way, the result is a visit from Officer Friendly and the charge is distributing child porn.

  56. Re:too much information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what you're saying is basically that, although it does make all your snapshots totally traceable, at least it does make all your snapshots totally traceable?

    Hmm. Good point. I think.

  57. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I'm certain they take care to toss all that metadata. Or not.

  58. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

    A properly written app will be able to do this too. The way CoreLocation is set up, you register to receive position updates from it, then it sends them to you asynchronously. The first one may not be particularly accurate. The second is usually more so, and so on.

    You see that graphically on the maps app when it shows a big blue circle, then a smaller one, then a pin. Some other apps show the position accuracy estimate as it gets refined. A lot of them just grab the first message from CoreLocation and call it a day though.

  59. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by sznupi · · Score: 1

    I don't think warnings are the way to go. In many cases of typical user warnings look scary; the website is scary. Better to use one without scary things...

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  60. Re:The iPhone metadata was already known I thought by sznupi · · Score: 1

    Nokia is almost nonexistant in the US also because many years ago they refused the demand of US carriers to totally castrate their phones.

    Besides, Nokia Sports Tracker...isn't a part of Nokia for some time now.

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  61. Godsend for stalkers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why this is not obvious to you is a mystery that shall remind unsolved.

  62. The math os spammers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is exactly the same.

    The people that could use this data for nefarious purposes need only the remaining 2% or 3% of pictures with additional metadata.

    Your point is well taken, but software, sites and processes that make data public should know about issues like this in order to ensure they check privacy of their users and clients.

  63. Good Points, but... by gbutler69 · · Score: 1

    ...how does hiding in the shadows help any of this. Doesn't anyone believe in standing up and being counted for their beliefs? Especially when those beliefs are rationality and reality? What, do we just let those who insist on living in a fantasy world win? If so, then all is lost anyway.

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  64. I've been warning about that by ^_^x · · Score: 1

    Even today, I posted my EXIF rant on /.

    I didn't know about some of those things - like photographer name and compass direction. I was thinking geotagging on GPS phones. So you upload your pics to Flickr or a photo storage site for phones, cops get a warrant to search the server which, of course, doesn't use per-user crypto. The cops run a simple off the shelf harvest tool to identify faces...

    Now they know everyone who has been on anyone's photo on the server, where they were, at what times, with who, who their friends' friends are, where they habitually go, times and places of people who happened to be caught in the pics accidentally, etc.