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Two Scoops of Buzz

Lots of Buzz buzz is still running through the internets yet, so here's a bit more of it, just in case you aren't burnt out yet. Google has added a one-button disable option to totally remove the system from Gmail. I'm sure someone there sure wishes that had been on by default. This is partially in response to a class action complaint and follows earlier cleanup efforts as well as an apology for auto-follow. Since there is no Facebook interaction, I still wonder what traction they will get. But maybe this means the end of Twitter.

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  1. Google Buzz? by Mitchell314 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just ignore the bugger. No need for me to nuke. Unless Google has added really cool special effects.

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  2. First! by saisuman · · Score: 0

    How was twitter going to make money anyway?

    1. Re:First! by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How was slashdot going to make money?

      Advertising.

    2. Re:First! by AshtangiMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Volume.

    3. Re:First! by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Funny

      Odd, I turned my stereo all the way up but I'm still broke.

    4. Re:First! by bennomatic · · Score: 1

      Shakedowns.

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    5. Re:First! by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      I want to say one word to you. Just one word. Are you listening?

      Plastics.

  3. End of twitter? not likely... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Twitter's power is that you dont have to go there to use it or update it. I've got 90,000,000 twitter apps to choose from on EVERY platform. Hell even my home automation gear from crestron has twitter interoperability.

    Twitter has critical mass and support on everything.. Buzz has none of that currently.

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  4. might turn out to have been smart by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While a lot of people are using this fiasco as evidence that Google's a bunch of techies who don't understand users, I can't really believe that it was totally unforseen and accidental. Google made a conscious decision to leverage their existing social graph of webmail users by, as automatically as possible, turning it into an actual social-network graph. If they hadn't done that, Buzz would probably not have jump-started very quickly, but now it has a huge built-in userbase. Even if a bunch of people disable it now, they're probably still way ahead in terms of total users than where they would've been if they had played nice.

    So may turn out they did know what they were doing, at least from a business perspective.

    1. Re:might turn out to have been smart by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While a lot of people are using this fiasco as evidence that Google's a bunch of techies who don't understand users, I can't really believe that it was totally unforseen and accidental.

      At best, I view this as more evidence that Google isn't mature enough to be the 800 Lb gorilla of the Internet.

      At worse, I see this as evidence that Google can be just as much as a monopoly threat as Microsoft was on the PC.

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    2. Re:might turn out to have been smart by Aladrin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, I think it -would- have. Have you seen the clamor for Google invites? Any time a new service comes out, even if it's going to be meh, people go nuts to get invites. Google Wave, for instance... Does anyone actually still use that? It was all the rage when nobody had invites.

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    3. Re:might turn out to have been smart by xirusmom · · Score: 2

      Yes. I do . Google wave is great for writing papers and for collaborative projects.
      Simple enough that you can get projects started quickly with a bunch of people who never used it before.

    4. Re:might turn out to have been smart by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed. And leveraging Gmail shows they've learned that when critical mass is required, their usual method of using limited invites doesn't work. That, and Google's notoriously short attention span, is what killed Orkut.
       
      Facebook succeeded because they built a critical mass in a target rich environment (college students) and when enough students had graduated to form a critical mass in the 'real world', they opened it up to all comers. Twitter succeeded because it melded the 'pure' version of Facebook (status updates) with the world of text messages.
       
      For Buzz there is no obvious demographic or niche for Google to exploit, but Google has what no other 'startup' social networking site had - an existing massive base of installed users who've already shown a predilection to use their (Google's) services. That they bungled their opening moves in no way invalidates their basic strategy.

    5. Re:might turn out to have been smart by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      Problem was that the invites came out too slowly. People would often get an invite and have one friend that used it, while the rest of their friends didn't.

      They'd stop using it, and then their friends would join it without even knowing they were a user. I know I haven't logged into Wave in ages because no one I knew used it, and it didn't autoleverage my existing Google social networks like Buzz does.

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    6. Re:might turn out to have been smart by dfxm · · Score: 1, Insightful

      While a lot of people are using this fiasco as evidence that Google's a bunch of techies who don't understand users, I can't really believe that it was totally unforseen and accidental.

      At best, I view this as more evidence that Google isn't mature enough to be the 800 Lb gorilla of the Internet.

      At worse, I see this as evidence that Google can be just as much as a monopoly threat as Microsoft was on the PC.

      At best, Google is making me follow the people I want to - i.e. the people I send e-mail to & chat with regularly anyway.

      At worst, I click unfollow and all is right in the world.

      I think people don't get the point of social networking. It doesn't work if everything is private. That's neither social nor networking.

    7. Re:might turn out to have been smart by slim · · Score: 1

      About 15 years ago, I introduced staff email to a high school. I had exactly the same chicken-and-egg problem as Wave does now. You'd get clusters of happy email users. But for people who weren't in such a cluster, there was no point checking your email because there'd never be any there; and there'd be no point sending email, because none of your peers checked it. And since both ends of the potential conversation were following the same pattern, there was a negative feedback loop.

      Overlaps with existing communities was the solution, I think.

      In Wave's case, I think it will take off gradually. Some people are already using it heavily. I use it lightly, but we used it successfully to coordinate a group outing to a geek night last night.

      Alert widgets are a big thing: I don't check Wave frequently because I don't get many. But my widget does.

      With Buzz, Google decided to kick-start it by seeding it with most GMail users. A curse and a blessing, it turned out.

    8. Re:might turn out to have been smart by slim · · Score: 1

      Is Orkut dead?

      It's still up and running. My impression was that Brazilians lapped it up and continue to do so.

      In fact one of the things that drove English speakers away from Orkut was that there was so much Portugese being posted in the groups.

    9. Re:might turn out to have been smart by PuritySyrup · · Score: 1

      Quite apart from the fallout to Google's reputation, there are still the complaint filed by the Electronic Privacy Information Center with the American FCC, and the preliminary investigation begun by the Canadian Privacy Commissioner. (To say nothing of Google Canada's snotty response to the latter.) Do these somehow fall outside a "business perspective," or have I misunderstood what you meant by that term?

    10. Re:might turn out to have been smart by yuhong · · Score: 1

      At worse, I see this as evidence that Google can be just as much as a monopoly threat as Microsoft was on the PC.

      Huh? MS actively tried to crush the competition using illegal means.

    11. Re:might turn out to have been smart by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      Huh? MS actively tried to crush the competition using illegal means.

      The plaintiffs in the case successfully argued that:

      a) Microsoft held a large enough stake in the PC market to be considered a monopoly.
      b) Microsoft leveraged their monopoly to cause harm to their competitors.

      Careful the same can be said of Google and the online market.

      Name the default search engine in almost every browser except maybe one....

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    12. Re:might turn out to have been smart by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      I use Wave and I also find it very useful, but I have to admit, most of the people I've wanted to use it with (and that I've sent invites too) are not on board.

    13. Re:might turn out to have been smart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've also lost Gmail users. I finished transferring and killing my Gmail account yesterday evening.

    14. Re:might turn out to have been smart by seanvaandering · · Score: 1

      I think people don't get the point of social networking. It doesn't work if everything is private. That's neither social nor networking.

      How social can a single basement dweller be anyways?

    15. Re:might turn out to have been smart by zuperduperman · · Score: 1

      Totally agree. This was a real "Facebook" move by Google (and I mean that in its full pejorative sense). They basically decided that it's better / easier to apologize afterwards than ask permission beforehand. The fact is, by just releasing this for one day with the flawed privacy they got 90% of people who use gmail into buzz with all their email contacts as a default social graph. The speed with which they responded to the howls about privacy (which many are praising) actually makes me cynical that they must have had their updates ready to fire off all along and it was just a matter of how long they figured they could wait. No big company makes those kinds of changes completely unexpectedly and gets them QA'd and fired off in 24 hours. It had to be thought through beforehand. They simply watched the cost / value curve descending and picked their time to deploy the changes and release their apology.

      Nonetheless, I support buzz because it *is* massively better than Twitter in that it is based on open standards and open APIs and will at least open this space up and stop it being beholden to a single company.

    16. Re:might turn out to have been smart by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      I played with Wave for a few hours, but I never figured out what it was *for*. I tried making a Wave for Godzilla fans, but then it turns out you can't just publish it to everybody like a website. (Or maybe you can and I never figured out how?)

      Also, it worked horribly in Firefox, bogging down to a standstill after only a few hours. Oh well.

    17. Re:might turn out to have been smart by Bieeanda · · Score: 1
      I agree entirely. This was not an oversight-- it was an intentional attempt to leverage their other products to force users to interact with Buzz, in the hopes that they would adopt it as the short-IM service of choice. That there were so many hoops to jump through, before they started to backpedal, speaks volumes of their intent toward it. Buzz was something that you could turn off in one place, then turn off in another, but by the time you found it in a third and fourth place, you just didn't give a shit any more.

      Personally, I've been using the original Gmail client because of 'functionality' like this that I can't otherwise turn off. Their tag-along Jabber app is useless to me, and I would really like to slap whoever made the fucking HUGE tooltips that pop up when you mouse over an address in the bells and whistles version of the client.

    18. Re:might turn out to have been smart by u38cg · · Score: 1

      It's useful, but until everyone I want to work with sorts themselves out a Wave account, it's rather crippled.

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    19. Re:might turn out to have been smart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No big company makes those kinds of changes completely unexpectedly and gets them QA'd and fired off in 24 hours.

      Google isn't your regular big company, and these changes weren't all that big. So it is plausible that Google could genuinely have done it. Especially when you consider that the damage from not fixing these issues quickly would be greater than any problems not picked up because they rushed the QA.

      What is less plausible is that nobody at Google considered the implications of forcing Buzz out the way they did to all users before authorizing it, you'd think something like this would need to be authorized high up, and Google is full of tech-savvy people many of whom should have some idea of the privacy issues the Buzz defaults would bring.

    20. Re:might turn out to have been smart by Rifter13 · · Score: 1

      I have used Wave for that exact same purpose. It is quite honestly, amazingly good for that. The problem, is getting a critical mass of wave users to make it worth while. You also do have the problem with Wave... where a lot of non-technical people really don't get how it works.

  5. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Mitchell314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not to mention there's less motivation to go to a new social network when there are existing ones already set up with many people using it. I highly doubt Google can go far here.

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  6. Re:It will be a glorious thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Though I do wonder what Ashton Kutcher will do...

    I'm guessing it would be the same thing he does every night ... fuck Demi Moore.

  7. The end of twitter? Hardly by pmontra · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I've got a google account for using analytics and other stuff but I'm not using it for email. That means that I seldom need to log into google and in turn that means that buzz basically doesn't exist for me. I don't think I'm alone. Furthermore I can search tweets even without logging it to twitter. That's much more convenient.

    1. Re:The end of twitter? Hardly by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Furthermore I can search tweets even without logging it to twitter. That's much more convenient.

      You can search buzz (and tweets, and some other stuff) without logging into Buzz, too; all you have to do is use Google's main search engine; the live-updating "latest results for..." section includes tweets, buzz, etc.

  8. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by jeffmeden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, Google didn't stand a chance against the likes of Hotmail and Yahoo Mail, their spunky little upstart 'gmail' thing took forEVER just to get out of beta! Can't say that anyone was really attracted to it, what with all the established options out there. Who will take it seriously?!!

  9. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Aladrin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, Buzz has something better... Interoperability with -every- site out there. If the site has an RSS feed for your updates, you can bring them into Buzz really easily. If it doesn't, the site can choose to integrate more directly with Buzz.

    The only thing I've found lacking in Buzz is the ability to find and follow random people. With twitter, when I'm learning Japanese, I can watch the live twitter global feed and find people posting interesting things in Japanese and follow them. Buzz doesn't have that... Yet.

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  10. Aardvark by eldavojohn · · Score: 1

    Unless Google has added really cool special effects.

    The most notable bell/whistle (aside from smoove integration with GMail) is Aardvark. I posted about my experiences with it a couple days ago and have since answered more questions. My interactions with the people have been surprisingly pleasant and positive ... and surprisingly helpful! My interactions with the chat bot (aardvark-g201) have been frustrating at best. AI is in a sorry state if this is what they have to offer me. It's basically like trying to interact with a chat bot that offers you shell-like controls ('more', 'try', 'pass', etc). And you're supposed to achieve conversational results from those controls!

    I will say that I don't know what I'm getting out of it other than allowing Google to know more about me and helping people. It doesn't offer much more than Yahoo Answers or Wikianswers. I get a lot of auto "thanks!" replies on Aardvark and will more than likely eventually gravitate back to Wikipedia where my time invested disseminating knowledge probably goes a little further in the grand scheme of things.

    That said, Buzz has a long ways to go before it even approaches Facebook or puts a dent in Twitter. Any integration to/from Facebook will have to be entirely Google's effort.

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    1. Re:Aardvark by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1

      Google is Telescreen. With better PR.

      No thanks, O'Brian!

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    2. Re:Aardvark by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      No, Google is much bigger than telescreen. Telescreen is just 1984, but Google is 10^100.

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    3. Re:Aardvark by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Informative
      I don't have any problem with Buzz showing up. I run the 'older version' of Gmail...

      If you are on the newest version, just scroll to the bottom of the screen and click older version. This is not the HTML only version, but the one just before the new interface upgrade. I find it responsive, less cluttered...and no buzz.

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    4. Re:Aardvark by Roman+Mamedov · · Score: 1

      just scroll to the bottom of the screen and click older version. This is not the HTML only version, but the one just before the new interface upgrade. I find it responsive, less cluttered...and no buzz.

      Also they can remove it at any time, and you/we can't do anything about it. The joy of depending on "the cloud".

    5. Re:Aardvark by nagnamer · · Score: 1

      I don't have any problem with Buzz showing up. I run the 'older version' of Gmail...

      If you are on the newest version, just scroll to the bottom of the screen and click older version. This is not the HTML only version, but the one just before the new interface upgrade. I find it responsive, less cluttered...and no buzz.

      Also, no chat for those google chat junkies, like me. :)

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    6. Re:Aardvark by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "Also, no chat for those google chat junkies, like me. :)"

      Actually, I do have a link for Chat even with using the 'older version' option.

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    7. Re:Aardvark by nagnamer · · Score: 1

      "Also, no chat for those google chat junkies, like me. :)"

      Actually, I do have a link for Chat even with using the 'older version' option.

      That's odd... I don't see it. Could you... err.. give me a hint?

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    8. Re:Aardvark by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      It's on the left hand side of links on my page...:

      Compose

      Inbox

      Starred

      Chats

      ...

      Make sure you are using the 'Older Version'..not the HTML only version.

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    9. Re:Aardvark by nagnamer · · Score: 1

      It's on the left hand side of links on my page...:

      Oh, right. That. I meant the actual contact list and chat window.

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    10. Re:Aardvark by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "Oh, right. That. I meant the actual contact list and chat window."

      Hmm...I've never actually seen a contact list/chat window I guess.

      :)

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    11. Re:Aardvark by nagnamer · · Score: 1

      "Oh, right. That. I meant the actual contact list and chat window."

      Hmm...I've never actually seen a contact list/chat window I guess.

      :)

      Oh, that explains it. :) Thanks anyway. I've installed a separate chat client and this old-mode thing is really fast and all (I've forgotten how Gmail used to be fast and all).

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    12. Re:Aardvark by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "Oh, that explains it. :) Thanks anyway. I've installed a separate chat client and this old-mode thing is really fast and all (I've forgotten how Gmail used to be fast and all)."

      What chat client did you end up getting and using?

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    13. Re:Aardvark by nagnamer · · Score: 1

      "Oh, that explains it. :) Thanks anyway. I've installed a separate chat client and this old-mode thing is really fast and all (I've forgotten how Gmail used to be fast and all)."

      What chat client did you end up getting and using?

      At work on Windows XP: Google Talk

      At home on Linux: mcabber

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  11. Re:It will be a glorious thing... by Spy+Handler · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'm guessing it would be the same thing he does every night ... fuck Demi Moore.

    Ewww

  12. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by natehoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And all Google has to do is create a unique Buzz email address to send updates to (like Facebook has recently done), and you get instant support on any platform capable of sending email.

    When Facebook came out with the unique email address to upload images and update status, I dumped my Blackberry Facebook app and I just use email now. So at this point, switching to Buzz would be a matter of changing the email address my pictures and updates go to.

    This would make new Buzz apps for platforms trivial to implement.

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  13. To 1×10^100 and beyond by Darth+Sdlavrot · · Score: 1

    Need I say more?

    1. Re:To 1×10^100 and beyond by nomel · · Score: 1

      No, but you could easily have said less: 10^100.
      Or, to your extreme, 1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x10^100.

    2. Re:To 1×10^100 and beyond by Darth+Sdlavrot · · Score: 1

      No, but you could easily have said less: 10^100.

      That's not scientific notation though -- I give it a failing grade.

      Or, to your extreme, 1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x10^100.

      That's your extreme, not mine.

  14. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not to mention there's less motivation to go to a new social network when there are existing ones already set up with many people using it. I highly doubt Google can go far here.

    Eh thats what people thought with MySpace - but look at Facebook now.

    Google, being the power house that it is, could easily build the apps and operability that Twitter has. Except for ONE snag:

    I think the biggest thing holding it back will be its competitors. Given that Google has broken into the Smartphone market with the Droid and all that - I doubt Apple is going to approve any apps that let you update your Buzz.

    You can make Buzz a billion times better than twitter and implement new features, but if the iPhone holds a reasonable market share, and the iPhone doesn't let you update it, it's not likely to take off.

    Inversely - if somehow this DOES become more popular, an odd occurence I couldn't see happening, iPhone sales could drop unless they allow an App for Buzz.

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  16. End of Twitter? I don't think SO by viraltus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    it's 140 characters limit is great to avoid loads of bullshit. One of the greatest things of twitter is precisely that; it forces you to go to the point.

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    1. Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO by dangitman · · Score: 1

      it's 140 characters limit is great to avoid loads of bullshit.

      Wait, I thought we were talking about Twitter? Isn't bullshit mostly what it comprises of?

      One of the greatest things of twitter is precisely that; it forces you to go to the point.

      Have you even seen Twitter? "Getting to the point" is exactly the opposite of what people do. Page after page of "retweets" and textual back-slapping.

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    2. Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO by jadin · · Score: 2, Funny

      it's 140 characters limit is great to avoid loads of bullshit. One of the greatest things of twitter is precisely that; it forces you to go

    3. Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO by megamerican · · Score: 1

      How is that new edition of Newspeak coming along?

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    4. Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO by lochnessie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      from most of the tweets I've seen, 140 characters is plenty of room for bullshit.

    5. Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO by viraltus · · Score: 1

      >Wait, I thought we were talking about Twitter? Isn't bullshit mostly what it comprises of?

      I don't complain about bullshit, just about LOADS of it.

      >Have you even seen Twitter? "Getting to the point" is exactly the opposite of what people do. Page after page of "retweets" and textual back-slapping.

      Yes. Retweeting is the fastest way to go to the point when I consider something is interesting for some reason, and anyway, any problem you might feel in twitter multiply it by 100 in Buzz or Facebook plus pictures and video of it.

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    6. Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO by bl8n8r · · Score: 1

      > it forces you to go to the point.

      I've yet to see the majority of twitter content to be relevant to anyone but the author. Until the percentage of useful twitter content gets above 5%, getting to the point is pointless.

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    7. Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO by dangitman · · Score: 1

      I don't complain about bullshit, just about LOADS of it.

      Yes, and we're talking about Twitter. QED.

      Yes. Retweeting is the fastest way to go to the point when I consider something is interesting for some reason,

      So, a fast method for spreading loads of bullshit.

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    8. Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      One of the greatest things of twitter is precisely that; it forces you to go

      That explains some of the tweets I've seen.

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    9. Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO by bennomatic · · Score: 1

      LOL!

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    10. Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO by OolimPhon · · Score: 1

      140 characters should be enough for everybody!

    11. Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO by AlamedaStone · · Score: 1

      One of the greatest things of twitter is precisely that; it forces you to go

      That's one of the greatest things about laxatives too, with much the same result as using twitter.

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  17. Re:It will be a glorious thing... by Darth+Sdlavrot · · Score: 1

    I'm guessing it would be the same thing he does every night ... fuck Demi Moore.

    Ewww

    Did she have a facelift? Her pic on IMDB looks like she's a space alien from Roswell.

    Oh wait....

  18. things holding back buzz by msbmsb · · Score: 1

    At the moment, there are a number of things holding buzz back from widespread usage:

    * buzz has a userbase /ceiling/: the number of gmail users; the userbase may be large but it's closed and entry is a large hurdle for many
    * complicating the adoption is the number of those gmail users whose friends also use gmail and would be likely to use buzz, lowering the actual ceiling further
    * when people see that not many of their friends are using it, but are/have been using other services, that makes buzz adoption difficult

    there are advantages to buzz of course (mobile/geo-loc/post length/etc), but the question remains whether those advantages will eventually outweigh the challenges to more widespread adoption.

    1. Re:things holding back buzz by dangitman · · Score: 1

      * buzz has a userbase /ceiling/: the number of gmail users; the userbase may be large but it's closed and entry is a large hurdle for many

      Gmail is closed? Since when? It's just as easy to sign up for as Facebook or any of the others, so how is entry a hurdle?

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    2. Re:things holding back buzz by msbmsb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not 'closed' in that sense. Closed as in finite (in comparison to the other services where anyone with any email address can use). To be able to use buzz, one needs to sign up for another email account, something not many people will do easily.

    3. Re:things holding back buzz by jDeepbeep · · Score: 1

      Gmail is closed? Since when? It's just as easy to sign up for as Facebook or any of the others, so how is entry a hurdle?

      Early '07 is when it opened its doors to the unwashed masses, iirc.

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    4. Re:things holding back buzz by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Closed as in finite (in comparison to the other services where anyone with any email address can use).

      Your meaning is a bit opaque. You can sign up for gmail even if you have other email addresses, it doesn't cancel your existing email accounts.

      To be able to use buzz, one needs to sign up for another email account, something not many people will do easily.

      Why would they be less willing to do that than sign up for Facebook or whatever? I also don't see any evidence suggesting that people are reluctant to sign up for email accounts - look how successful hotmail was, for example. People will sign up for just about anything you put a username and password on.

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    5. Re:things holding back buzz by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      buzz has a userbase /ceiling/: the number of gmail users; the userbase may be large but it's closed and entry is a large hurdle for many

      This is a ceiling for the Buzz application, but not so much for the underlying social network; since Buzz uses open protocols (and especially if Google rolls out the richer set of open-protocol interfaces they've said they plan to), "who Buzz users can connect to with Buzz" is a much bigger universe than "who actually uses Buzz".

      I think Google likely sees Buzz and its related open protocols (PubSubHubbub et al.) as a hammer to break open social networking walled gardens (giving Google more stuff to index, search, and provide access to and ads along side through various different interfaces), rather than seeing the Buzz application itself as something they particularly care about making dominant.

      The same way Chrome is a tool to push adoption of HTML5 and other related web technologies, Buzz is a tool to push adoption

    6. Re:things holding back buzz by msbmsb · · Score: 1

      yep, that's why I said "at the moment". buzz feels pretty isolated right now, we'll see how/if it opens up.

  19. Tech media backlash by eparker05 · · Score: 1

    Google has been the darling of the tech media for a long time now, but for the last few years, more and more media companies see Google as a competitor, or see google as unfairly profiting off their publications. I think this whole fiasco is overblown by journalists who have a bone to pick with the company. Any change to a popular product like gmail is going to bother some people and offend others and all the stories seem to focus on this.

    Don't get me wrong, I think there are some serious issues with buzz, especially with it's added noise to the social networking scene, but most of the bad press has to do with the 'privacy issue'. Honestly, when Myspace launched every profile was public and most facebook friend lists are still public. Where is the outrage there?

  20. Not social yet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The current so-called social networks and websites are not truly social. They offer a level of interaction, but it is muted by their strict adherence to selfishness. They still believe they can own your social graph.

    Until websites like Facebook and services like Buzz truly offer a federated protocol they are not social. They are barely even part of the internet until they fulfill the internet's implicit social contract that has existed from the start: anyone with the resources can throw up a service and participate. That's true for websites, mail servers, and all of the various protocols that sit atop of the IP.

    I recognize that Google is building another layer above HTTP, but that doesn't except them from the contract. They seem to have some understanding of that fact, where they chose to make Wave federated. I expect them to highly integrate Buzz with Wave, and in doing so they will be pushing for a truly social service. But in the meantime it's not there yet.

  21. on a related note... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you have google and youtube you might want to check your youtube privacy settings. even if you've never uploaded a video youtube automatically creates a youtube homepage for you that has a lot of information about your viewing habits. you can't get rid of the page, but you can use your privacy settings to disable the various feeds to it.

  22. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was there all along:
    http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=171463
    "You can post Buzz by sending an email to buzz@gmail.com (you can share photos and text this way). In order to make this work, though, you'll need to send the email from the Gmail address you want to be connected to the post (e.g. which name will appear with your post)."

  23. Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What exactly is twitter doing that couldn't be done with existing blogging sites that have email updates? Nothing says you have to write 2k words on your blog post, you could write 120 characters on any blogging site and do the same thing.

    I do like the idea of pushing towards more open standards. Email is a standard everyone can agree with, everyone can interoperate with. I can send mail from my phone to someone on a mac or a pc or linux. I can swap out clients if I find one I like more. I do like the idea of transitioning these sorts of services to protocols and then you're selecting the provider you want based on how that protocol is implemented.

    I see value in what Facebook does even though I dislike the way it's implemented, similar to the way I like what Exchange/Outlook is trying to do while hating everything about the way it's actually done.

    There's been talk about trying to open up the silos represented by these applications. You have your data in twitter, you have your data in facebook, you have your data in google, and there's lots of duplication across each. Facebook will talk to google to import your data but that's a bit clunky and is still just putting your stuff in another silo. I like the idea of more interoperability but am also concerned about the potential for holes. I don't mind if my facebook gets hacked because there's nothing important on there, nothing personal or embarrassing. I don't put anything there I wouldn't mind seeing on the front page of the new york times. But if facebook had tight access to my gmail, suddenly a hole in facebook could become a hole in gmail. Not so good.

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    1. Re:Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary by eparker05 · · Score: 1

      The appeal of twitter is the EVERY update is small. When reading a newspaper, most people like to read the headlines before they decide to read the story; this concept is why twitter is popular.

      Blogs are great and all, but it is hard to follow many blogs at once without getting information overload. This is where twitter comes in.

    2. Re:Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      Twitter - like headlines without the article.

      Maybe it'd work for the /. crowd that doesn't RTFA. But what it does is it enforces shallow interaction at all points. Shallow interactions leave people feeling they know more than they do. Like republican's not believing in global warming because its snowing outside. Enforced ignorance sucks.

      Brevity may yet be the soul of wit but Shakespeare meant to limit tediousness, not to day to day limit one's self to 140 characters; "tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes". In fact, his example of brevity is 193 characters long, further delving into Hamlet's madness after the initial statement...

    3. Re:Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary by city · · Score: 1

      Nothing says you have to write 2k words on your blog post, you could write 120 characters on any blogging site and do the same thing.

      New research shows that anyone with the compulsion to post to a blog is physically unable to resist the urge to write anyting less than a 2,000 word bloviation. Twitter is to a blogger as a Nicoderme patch is to smoker.

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    4. Re:Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary by dfxm · · Score: 1

      What exactly is twitter doing that couldn't be done with existing blogging sites that have email updates?

      You can send and receive Tweets from your (non-smart) phone without needing a data plan.

      That's why Twitter has the character limit (it is the same limit for SMS messages). That's why people started using and continue to use Twitter.

    5. Re:Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary by eparker05 · · Score: 1

      I have two issues with your retort.

      1) Are you saying that your disdain of twitter is one borne of concern of societal decline? You aren't the first person to worry that everybody in the world is getting stupider, but this is simply not the case. Would you suggest that newspapers remove headlines because ignorant people might not read the article? Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, services like twitter encourage reading. By making it easy to sort through what you don't want to read, it is easier to find what you do want to read.

      2) When it comes to social media, brevity is extremely important. I don't want to waste my day reading a bunch of wordy blog posts by all my friends. If I'm even interested, I only want a few words updating me on my friends' status, location, and plans.

    6. Re:Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What exactly is twitter doing that couldn't be done with existing blogging sites that have email updates?

      It's not what you can write, it's what you can search and find. The limitation makes the content easily indexable and allows it to recognize trends a lot easier. It's a bit like user-generated google pagerank -- but much faster.

    7. Re:Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary by nbates · · Score: 1

      I use it as a human-powered net of blog posts, web pages and news recommendations.

      I use two twitter accounts, in one I get frequent updates on political and economical news of my country, in the other I get updates about game programming. In both I get obscure articles I wouldn't get just by googling, and I get them faster than google indexes them.

      It is not a perfect recommendation system, I get some "lol, look at my catz" lines, but it works. You get interesting posts most of the times. But I also found out some new blogs via twitter, which I subscribed in my RSS feed reader. I also have followers that read my blog posts when I tweet them.

      I also found it a good way to know people. You tweet about a topic, and start knowing people that's into the same things you are. If you find somebody particularly smart, funny, insightful, you move to IM and mail, but twitter is a great place to know them. I happened to know two guys who work at home as I do and have the same interests and now we chat frequently.

      Why not using Facebook instead? Well, I use facebook from time to time, but my contacts there are people I know IRL, which are not very technically inclined and most of the time post photos of their family or keep me updated on their advances on Farmville. Twitter is just an unobtrusive medium, Facebook tries too hard to be a platform where you do things.

    8. Re:Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary by vitaflo · · Score: 1

      There's been talk about trying to open up the silos represented by these applications.

      This is exactly the long range plan of Buzz. They are trying to open it up so that someday in the future, it won't matter where your social profile is stored, if things are open enough, everything can interconnect. People who think that Buzz is just another Facebook or Twitter are missing the bigger picture they're trying to build here. See:

      http://www.google.com/buzz/dclinton/XxER6oP4WGe/The-best-way-to-get-a-sense-of-where-the-Buzz-API

    9. Re:Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary by nomel · · Score: 1

      I only want a few words updating me on my friends' status, location, and plans.

      And you have the reason people bash twitter...they see it as something more than it is. I think everyone should understand the following sentence:

      Twitter is not meant to communicate thoughts or ideas.

      With the major news organizations popularizing it as a source of information or as a way to communicate, this confusion makes sense. It's just normal marketing, "You can use this knife to cut your vegetables, saw your lumber, prop up your wobbly table. Call now, and we'll include a neck strap for your knife. Now you can shade and cool your neck on those hot summer days!"

    10. Re:Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best uses I've found for the Twitters:

      1: Speed Trap updates.
      I've seen (and made a couple of) tweets letting people know, "#MyCity #SpeedTrap on MLK btwn Nebraska, 30th St", which sometimes get Rt'd by my local news station's Twitter account. Helps to get these about 15 minutes before I leave for work, without having to sit in front of the computer for it.

      2: Bargain shopping.
      Rather than getting emailed each day, which has a tendency to be ignored for a day or twelve, I let a local service tweet their offers of the day in my general direction.
      An example was that they were offering 2 pitas from a local pita shop for $6.50, when the normal price is between $5 and 7.50 for each one. I bought in on said deal, went into the store and asked to redeem the voucher that I printed. They walked me through their procedure, and hooked me up with a couple of pitas, all with ease.
      Another example or two would be @MojaMix and @DellOutlet, with each offering coupons for things they sell. Saved 15% on a refurbished netbook for my aunt recently with one of the coupons. Other than I needed to reinstall the OS a week after out of the box (I didn't get to set it up. Someone else in the family did, and that was a mess), the thing has just worked, which she appreciates, and I'm glad for.

      3: Ease of access.
      I can access the service from so many different things, it's not funny. I have a pidgin plugin for home usage. I have TinyTwitter on my 4 year old cellphone for while I'm at work or out and about. If I'm playing around on my 360, then I can tweet and read from there (hooray for USB keyboards, people). I'm sure there is a list of other things one can tweet from.
      But in the case of the 360, I can tweet, "Hey, playing A Kingdom for Keflings for a while. Join me!", and my friends will know I'll be playing for a couple of hours. They can come home and join me in play.

      I'm sure others will have better excuses than I do for microblogging.

    11. Re:Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary by zuperduperman · · Score: 1

      Email has this really cool feature - it's called a "subject line". You can summarize your whole email in just one sentence and put it in a line that will show up in someone's inbox without them having to open and read the whole email. I too was sceptical at first, but it's a boon once you get used to it!

    12. Re:Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary by josephcmiller2 · · Score: 1

      #twitter is #awesome #dontjudgeme #imfromc i is #cool cause i read #news on #slashdot.

      But seriously, I was able to get news updates faster on Twitter than from CNN during the whole plane crash at IRS building incident. But Twitter on a slow day is like listening to a bunch of kids yapping.

      What will be important is the search engines that can filter out all the noise to show things that are important. I haven't seen it yet.

  24. no problem for google apps users by notnAP · · Score: 1

    Buzz is no problem for me, unless I decide I WANT to add yet another email to my list to use it.
    ETA on implementing it for Google Apps users is months away, and there may be questions on whether it is even implemented at all for those on the free plan.
    I consider this odd. Google Apps users tend to either be schools/small biz, or geeks.
    Sure, Schools and Small Biz may not provide Google with much traction for Buzz, but geeks are more likely to, especially geeks who obviously like Google Stuff (tm).
    And yet, those are more likely to be the ones hitching a free ride.
    Things that make you go hmmmm....

  25. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by WinterSolstice · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Google, being the power house that it is, could easily build the apps and operability that Twitter has.

    Oh please, no - the apps and all that crap are why I ditched twitter and facebook and the rest. No more freaking retarded data mining nuisance apps!

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  26. I like it by musicalmicah · · Score: 1

    I'm using it with my friends and it feels pretty nice. Privacy options are decently understandable, relatively granular, and it's not all that invasive. It's an excellent way to start a conversation with a select group of individuals you know, without the 140-character limitations of Twitter or the OMG APPLICATIONS environment of Facebook. Moreover, TONS of people already have gmail accounts so it's not much work to get people to use it.

    1. Re:I like it by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Moreover, TONS of people already have gmail accounts so it's not much work to get people to use it.

      Except for people actively avoiding Google accounts.

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    2. Re:I like it by musicalmicah · · Score: 1

      Which, incidentally, doesn't include any of the people I know that like to converse over social networks! No worries.

    3. Re:I like it by dfxm · · Score: 1

      If people are actively avoiding Google accounts, why wouldn't they also be actively avoiding accounts on social networking sites? I assume the reason for avoiding Google is that people don't like the fact that stores stores personal data. Name one social networking site that doesn't.

      The point being that people who avoid Google probably wouldn't be using Buzz anyway (because they wouldn't want a central database storing the fact that they shared certain content).

  27. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Machtyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've seen this facebook group that states they are a group of people who are going to drop Facebook once it starts charging $2.95 per month to use it. I don't know if there is anything to this, but if Fb starts to charge for use, then Buzz will have all sorts of traction.

  28. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

    Buzz uses Twitter as a data feed. This is convenient for Buzz, but isn't gonna make Twitter disappear any time soon.

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  29. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by swb · · Score: 1

    Most people I know would drop it if it wasn't free. I've only used it for a year and I'm already kind of over it.

    I'd guess that they would start charging the for-profit users first, then some of the groups, and so on.

    But they really rely on the network effect, and anything that causes them to lose users will have a cascading effect as people quit using it.

  30. Does anybody know what EXACTLY was leaked? by datasauce · · Score: 1

    Before Buzz was changed to suggest, instead of automatically follow, what information was jeopardized? Could somebody see your other contacts, your contacts email addresses, your location? I am not sure I understand what was actually leaked. I noticed in one of the links it says some woman's ex husband was able to find her location through Buzz. How is that possible and how could Google be so stupid! Someone please elaborate.

    1. Re:Does anybody know what EXACTLY was leaked? by EncryptedSoldier · · Score: 0

      It doesn't seem to say anywhere. I am pretty sure it said Picasa somewhere but I think it leaked more.

    2. Re:Does anybody know what EXACTLY was leaked? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      The only thing I can think of is that MAYBE Buzz would start auto-updating before you first logged into it?

      It didn't retroactively update from any of the autolinked sources for me, I know that. Buzz did autolink to some content sources, but despite that (although it could have been lack of updates from said sources), when I first logged in I had no outgoing "buzzes". Thus it didn't matter that a bunch of people were autofollowing me and I was following them.

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    3. Re:Does anybody know what EXACTLY was leaked? by dfxm · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you had your Google Profile set up to be public, then people could find the information that is in the Google Profile. Buzz just gave people a link directly to your Google Profile, more or less. What it all comes down to: if you don't want the public to know something, don't post it in a public profile.

  31. Convergence by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    One of the worrying things in buzz is that you can use it as a blogging engine. You can search for public buzzes that have some text you are interested into, you can comment on them (no registration required, more than being able to participate in buzz) and from there follow the original poster if you want, is not just a short tweet, but a full entry. Same for photos, videos, etc. It blends communities, with blogs, with mails. But all with just google ads. Probably is more or less the same with facebook, and if well looks a bit more open to internet, still could end being a walled garden too.

  32. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    Buzz doesn't support Blackberry* yet. Not everyone has a Android or iPhone. So I would say that until The Google decides to support Blackberry with a native app, then there is no option but to ignore it.

    *Appearently Opera on BB runs the Javascript needed, but it is a hack/cludge to d/l Opera and bypass all the warnings needed to BUZZ.

    ** I wonder if we're gonna call people who "Buzz" .... wait for it ... Buzzards ;)

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  33. Are you kidding :) by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    I killed for my gmail invite... I mean, I would have killed. Yeah, that is it. No skeletons in my closet, no sirree.

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    1. Re:Are you kidding :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you kidding :)

      Yes. He's kidding.

    2. Re:Are you kidding :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No skeletons in my closet, no sirree.

      Naturally, what kind of idiot would keep skeletons in their closet, they're under that new patio you had built, right?

  34. Don't Forget The Third Scoop of Buzz !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    N.S.A..

    I hope this helps with your communications encryptions.

    Yours In Minsk,
    K. Trout

  35. Do No [intentional] Harm--NPD walks the line by jnull · · Score: 1

    From a go-to-market POV, getting "buzz" and an initial user-base is the most difficult part of social network-based apps. To the old adage: ask for forgiveness, not permission. Personally, I think it is just fun for people to hate on Google (the big institution)... heck the Avant-garde of hatin' big business is even hatin' on Apple! Now that I just find funny... reminds me of that South Park "Smug" episode. I digress. Google will always struggle with using its data and users to its advantage without losing them. To Google or any other company (Slashdot included), we're all just data points. There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those who get that and those who don't. --

  36. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you're a fucking retard. There are already 2 buzz apps on the iphone appstore.

  37. The privacy problem by wiredog · · Score: 2, Informative

    Was why I didn't use Buzz. Made sure it was disabled as soon as I could. I don't want some spheres of my life intersecting.

    An example of what can go wrong, and generate big lawsuits in the process of failing.

    I use my private Gmail account to email my boyfriend and my mother.

    There's a BIG drop-off between them and my other "most frequent" contacts.

    You know who my third most frequent contact is?

    My abusive ex-husband.

    Which is why it's SO EXCITING, Google, that you AUTOMATICALLY allowed all my most frequent contacts access to my Reader, including all the comments I've made on Reader items, usually shared with my boyfriend, who I had NO REASON to hide my current location or workplace from, and never did.

    1. Re:The privacy problem by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      This doesn't make sense. Buzz didn't retroactively apply to linked content. I know Buzz autolinked a bunch of my associated content sources, but when I logged in, I had a "clean" Buzz slate.

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    2. Re:The privacy problem by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      This is way off topic, but why in the hell would the stupid bimbo have any contact with an abusive ex at all?

    3. Re:The privacy problem by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      A kid requiring visitation rights or child support payments?

      Alimony issues?

      Not very long ex- and still going through legal wrangles.

    4. Re:The privacy problem by A+coward+on+a+mouse · · Score: 1

      Perhaps to handle shared business, like the kids, the divorce settlement, etc., etc.? Perhaps because she interacted with him so much before he was her ex-husband that he's still one of her top three most contacted contacts, and she can't or hasn't yet cut all contact with him due to remaining shared business? Also, abusive much yourself? Why in the hell would you feel a need to resort to such offensive characterizations?

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    5. Re:The privacy problem by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I was the victim in an abusive marriage. I stay as far away from her as I possibly can.

    6. Re:The privacy problem by bloobloo · · Score: 1

      Because he became abusive after she had his email address in her contacts? And she didn't foresee needing to delete because of google's innovation?

    7. Re:The privacy problem by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      With the way Buzz worked when released, it didn't matter what direction the contact went in. If he sent her emails, it considered him a "friend" even if she never replied, or indeed deleted them all immediately.

      So basically, Buzz rewarded stalkers by giving them *more* information about their victims.

    8. Re:The privacy problem by Rifter13 · · Score: 1

      Yep, this is WORST CASE. It is not the norm. For every 500,000 users, you have 1 case that is this drastic. I am sure every service has something like this. My ex-wife subscribed to my stream. I didn't want that. So you know what I did? I blocked her. I also went in, and followed the directions (on day 1) to make my list private.

      While I admit Google could have handled this better, everyone pointing out this ONE INSTANCE of a problem, with a service that has millions of users... is getting old. It's called an outlier.

  38. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Yup look at how Orkut has DECIMATED facebook and Myspace!

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  39. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

    Hey, I don't have an Iphone so I wouldn't bother to check. But then that just means Buzz has headroom to grow bigger than twitter.

  40. End of Twitter? by Ray · · Score: 1

    We can only hope.

  41. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Idiomatick · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Facebook HAS decimated Myspace though..... sooooo

  42. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Phiu-x · · Score: 1

    Every casual user I know still use hotmail. I don't think Gmail is THAT important to them. Buzz won't ever reach Twitter's proportion. Google is geek/power user oriented.

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  43. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

    "once it starts charging $2.95 per month to use it" FUD or hilarious. If Facebook charged $1 once it would be gone in a matter of hours.

  44. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    You forgot the "LAME!!!" ending. In the spirit of the Olympics, we'll have to deduct a point from your final moderation score for that gaff.

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  45. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    I'm fairly positive this is why they had autofollow. This leverages existing social networks to "jumpstart" a new one.

    I don't get why autofollow was so bad - you only got autofollowed when you created your account, and at that point, you have no content on your feed. What's the big deal? The people following you see zilch until you post some content to Buzz - if you don't want someone seeing that update, block/remove them from your followers before you start using Buzz.

    Gmail was able to take on the likes of Hotmal and Yahoo Mail because it was usually pretty easy to get your contacts list into and out of most email systems. Thus, you could easily leverage existing social networks (for email, your addressbook) in GMail.

    For a more integrated social network, it's a lot harder to migrate that existing network you have. Google already had one in the form of your Google Talk chat contacts.

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  46. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    That group (and all of the similar groups) is basically a bunch of idiots that fell victim to a rumor. Congratulations on falling for it along with them.

    As other posters have said, charging for Facebook, even a tiny amount, would instakill it. Look at what Pay-to-Play did to the online game Planetarion back around 2002-2003...

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  47. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    Shhh... Just all act like Twitter is dying anyway, and hope the rumor will catch enough fire to get messages on Twitter going on. Until they either die in a massive flamewar, or enough arguments come up so that most Twitterers will enter our reality and start to hate Twitter. (Which also means its dead.)

    It’s the information wars. You are an Internet veteran. Act like one. :)

    Twitter will die, because even the tiniest flaws will become huge unfathomable mountains of madness, if you give them time to grow. Let’s throw out some seeds. ^^

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  48. username/password by jDeepbeep · · Score: 1

    People will sign up for just about anything you put a username and password on.

    Often with the same password too. :p

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  49. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's because they marketed the the storage capacity of the gmail inbox with a shared-potential model instead of the split-up-evenly one like hotmail etc. and effectively had a better offer? I don't even know what the Buzz is all about but they sure have the buzz.

  50. And the disable button is called... by Caption+Wierd · · Score: 1

    Buzz Off?

  51. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by N1AK · · Score: 1

    I think the biggest thing holding it back will be its competitors. Given that Google has broken into the Smartphone market with the Droid and all that - I doubt Apple is going to approve any apps that let you update your Buzz.

    You think Apple are going to combat the Google Droid by intentionally blocking the ability of the iPhone to do something people who buy it may want? If I was Apple I would want to ensure that updating Buzz on the iPhone was better than doing it on the Droid ;)

  52. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Google, being the power house that it is, could easily build the apps and operability that Twitter has. Except for ONE snag:

    Google's notoriously short attention span.

  53. I use gmail for by Stan92057 · · Score: 0

    I use gmail for storage,thats was there claim to fame as web mail,free massive amount of storage and less intrusive ads. Why would i want to use google for anything social? there the masters of data collection.

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  54. Buzz by email by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Informative

    And all Google has to do is create a unique Buzz email address to send updates to (like Facebook has recently done), and you get instant support on any platform capable of sending email.

    You can post Buzz by email to buzz@gmail.com from your gmail account. So as long as your gmail account is setup in your mail client, this is in place now.

    1. Re:Buzz by email by natehoy · · Score: 1

      Hmm, that's a start, anyway. Thanks.

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  55. Google Buzz + Google Reader by thetartanavenger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why oh why must they force the integration of Google Buzz and Google Reader? I use google reader every day, often share things with various contacts, and read things that have been shared with me. It was awesome. Then Google Buzz came along and forced integration of the two. I don't want Google Buzz but if I go ahead and remove it, it'll remove the sharing abilities I had within Google Reader. I understand the possible benefit of having the two connected, by choice, but without choice Google is simply screwing up one of their actually decent products!

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    1. Re:Google Buzz + Google Reader by argent · · Score: 1

      I like the integration of Buzz and Reader. In fact I would rather buzz be *part of* reader, a way to drop in comments that aren't actually links, without having to run a blog. I would like to have a single set of followers and followees.

      It makes more sense.

      In fact, I had forgotten about reader until buzz made me aware of it:

      ``I wasn't a Google Reader user until the whole "buzz" thing started. I hadn't quite "got" Google Reader, the guy who first showed reader to me had a zillion feeds and I looked at it and didn't imagine having enough time to actually read something like that.

      Then I got into Buzz, and started seeing Reader coming in, and started reading reader. And saw that my friend had a reader feed, so I subscribed to that...

      So I guess I was at least a potential Google Reader user. But I was a Buzz user first.''

  56. +1 Funny Please by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

    Shit, i just ran out of mod points.

    Great SNL reference!

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  57. Re:Convenience is the biggest factor by mackil · · Score: 1

    The strength of buzz is it's too convenient NOT to use. It's also a solid alternative for people who for various reasons can't or don't log into facebook from work.

    That's it exactly. I don't use either Facebook or Twitter just because of the hassle and my own time constraints. I do use Gmail however, and have loved Buzz as a quick and easy way to see what all my friends and family are up to. I don't need to log into anything else, it's all right there with my email. I may be in the minority, but I love Buzz for the convenience alone.

  58. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by tftp · · Score: 1

    I don't get why autofollow was so bad - you only got autofollowed when you created your account, and at that point, you have no content on your feed. What's the big deal?

    Indeed, when tens of millions of people suddenly find a new software in their familiar email client they instantly know all there is to know how it works and what to do and what not to do. Even though none of that was explained to them. One of my friends, who also has a Gmail account, posted a test Buzz, and lots of people saw it (and me, before I disabled the sorry thing.)

    Google already had one in the form of your Google Talk chat contacts.

    There is quite a difference between sending a chat message to one selected contact and between sending a message to all contacts.

  59. Buzz for Domain Apps by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

    i use GMail through GAfYD. 90% of the Googleverse stuff works there. It's that last 10% that's driving me nuts. It doesn't support chat by itself (your domain host has to allow it, mine does not). It doesn't support Buzz.

    So i have kept my ol' trusty GMail account just for those.

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  60. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by gauauu · · Score: 1

    Google, being the power house that it is, could easily build the apps and operability that Twitter has.

    Oh please, no - the apps and all that crap are why I ditched twitter and facebook and the rest. No more freaking retarded data mining nuisance apps!

    Who modded this up? The apps he's talking about are client applications that interface with the twitter service. Not the stupid facebook games that you're referring to.

  61. I want plausible deniability by IronChef · · Score: 1

    I might use Buzz, Facebook, etc. if it was easier to deal with unwanted contacts. No, Weird Guy From Work, I do not want to friend you... and rather than have that conversation over and over, I just don't use those services.

    But if I could add just REAL friends, and be 100% invisible to everyone else... that would be great. If I have not explicitly invited you into my inner circle, you shouldn't even see that I am a user of the site, if I don't want you to.

    1. Re:I want plausible deniability by JBrandonS · · Score: 1

      I may be wrong, but I do believe Buzz allows this if you make your profile private. I also believe that Facebook allows this (to a extent) by disabling your profile in the search / index. In facebook you might wind up with issues if the person is a at least a friend of a friend. Other then that you should be safe.

  62. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't use twitter and I won't use this, either. I gave it a shot (after the initial major privacy concerns were fixed), but I kept getting dozens of "followers" every day and I don't have a fucking clue who ANY of them are. Even worse, the only way to fully disable "buzz" is to use their one-button "remove my account" function... which ALSO NEEDLESSLY DELETES YOUR GOOGLE PROFILE. Why!? I want my google profile. I just don't fucking want to use that Buzz shit. There's no reason to delete my profile just to delete buzz. They are clearly tying the two together so that people will go to delete buzz and see that it will also remove their profile and they'll stop and say "well shit, I really want my profile still.... so I guess I can't remove buzz".

  63. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by WinterSolstice · · Score: 1

    No, though those are especially odious.

    I'm referring to the 6 million iPhone and Android twitter/facebook/linked-in feed tracker and update apps.

    They're not only a huge security hole (giving an unknown third-party your login details), they also frequently inject ads and such into your feeds and do things like auto post "user is using service on the iPhone!" and the like.

    Direct example from this morning (name omitted):
    "User is now using the new LinkedIn for iPhone application. Get it now "
    Does this add value? Not to me. Is this a real status update? No. Just spam.

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  64. too late google by CKW · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I deleted my gmail account as soon as I heard about the horrific gross absent-minded violation of my privacy. "fixing things after the fact" doesn't cut it when it comes to things like this. If they're this utterly stupid once, then they'll be this stupid again.

    Seriously, google at one time was "I trust them more than anyone, do no evil and they seem to mean it", but then lately over to "maybe kinda not trust" - but this throws them all the way right through to "trust less that Microsoft, and no where f***** near as trustworthy as Yahoo".

    I will not under any circumstances ever trust them with anything important ever again.

    1. Re:too late google by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      I deleted my gmail account as soon as I heard about the horrific gross absent-minded violation of my privacy.

      Thought crime detected in sector 31B. Recommended action: Exterminate.

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  65. Blocking doesn't work correctly by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

    I blocked a douchebag I know. I don't see his posts, due to the block, but he still gets to harass me via friends' buzz postings. Apparently the only way to not be harassed is to not use Buzz.

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  66. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by BarryNorton · · Score: 1

    You don't need to get your friends to join Google Mail to send them messages from Google Mail. If you'd actually read and considered the OP, instead of jumping into the discussion with sarcastic comments, you might have understood this.

  67. Re:It will be a glorious thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After all this fame and fortune, he's still trying to prove himself by fucking his mother.

  68. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by ajs · · Score: 1

    Twitter's power is that you dont have to go there to use it or update it.

    No, Twitter's power is that it provides a platform for popular people to communicate with their followers/fans/supporters. Twitter's draw these days is that it's a great place for anyone from a mayor to a moviestar to a CEO to the president to say whatever they like.

    Buzz is great for me, but when celebrities use it, their posts become spam magnets because the popularity of their post is shared with the responders. Twitter so loosely couples tweets with responses that there is little or no sharing of the popularity of the original.

  69. Buzz off by Taibhsear · · Score: 1

    I prefer to keep my social networking account and the email I use for purchasing goods online separate, thank you very much. Get this shit out of my "secure" email.

  70. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by vitaflo · · Score: 1

    You can make Buzz a billion times better than twitter and implement new features, but if the iPhone holds a reasonable market share, and the iPhone doesn't let you update it, it's not likely to take off.

    I'm not sure what you're talking about, iPhone integration was built into Buzz from day 1. In fact it's better than normal Buzz because if you let it use your geolocation you can see other buzzes near your current vicinity on Google maps.

  71. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hotmail/Yahoo provisioned every last user 100mb of disk space (when that was the vogue space limit)? Hah! They oversold just like Google does. Google, however, did it bigger and better. They knew practical people hardly keep crap around in their email, and they provided a really good tool to keep spam away. Heck, my current inbox hasnt been cleaned out for 18 months and it still only has 290MB of usage.

  72. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

    Motivation is as motivation does; it is completely wrong to say 'why, no one would go to a new service when the old service works just fine!', regardless of the techniques used by the service. When something better comes along, people move without looking back. I am not saying Buzz is that better thing, but it is stupid to assume that just because existing things are popular now, that something else can't be in the future.

  73. yeah twitter has more features too! by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    Google buzz is useless until it adds a "Please Rob Me" function.

  74. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by quotes · · Score: 1

    "Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment, nothing can fail. Without it, nothing can succeed." Abraham Lincoln

  75. End of Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "But maybe this means the end of Twitter". One can only hope!

  76. oops by KingPin27 · · Score: 1

    Twiggle

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  77. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Virtual_Raider · · Score: 1

    I don't get why autofollow was so bad - you only got autofollowed when you created your account, and at that point, you have no content on your feed. What's the big deal? The people following you see zilch until you post some content to Buzz - if you don't want someone seeing that update, block/remove them from your followers before you start using Buzz.

    Nice idea, but if you don't know its on by default as I didn't (because they didn't bother to tell you, let alone ask) you go try it out only to find that Google remembers. It knows about that one time you talked to that person and suddenly they are auto-following you whether you had any intention of ever keeping in touch with them again.

    It opened the door to the annoying twit you had all but pushed out of your mind but didn't care enough or simply didn't get around to delete from your contacts. It restablishes contact with people you didn't care to keep in touch with. By default. Publicly. I was pretty annoyed at reading some of those names again. One of them I did remove from my contacts but stil appeared because there were some emails saved that contained its address in a distribution list. So yeah, they were total morons for doing it the way they did and I only wish Google would be burned even worse so next time they actually put some thought on the way they release features rather than surprising you like this.

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  78. Nothing to hide by Mr+Bubble · · Score: 1

    Google's CEO, Eric Schmidt, says, "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place." Is he evil and stupid, or just plain stupid?

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    1. Re:Nothing to hide by u38cg · · Score: 1

      I always interpreted that statement as advice, not a threat. Google is not immune to having the NSA and FBI march in and grabbing a shopping cart full of back-up tapes, and the point was that you need to be aware of that.

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    2. Re:Nothing to hide by jeanph01 · · Score: 1

      That, with the buzz fiasco, made me consider all the information that Google had on me.... And it was a lot....
      I think that Google lives in a ivory tower and do not understand what the real world is made of...

      Anyway, I'm in the process of closing my Google account, my only problem though is Google Reader, I have a lot of feeds that I follow and there do not seem to be anything that good around as reader.

  79. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Elbowgeek · · Score: 1

    Ah, so with Twitter you think you're learning Japanese... (you really think so).

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  80. I love Google.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really do. I am using all their services (search, mail, reader, groups, picassa, some docs).

    You name it.

    But the intrussion with Buzz was completely unnaceptable.

    All of the sudden I had several guys, some of whom I didn't know, following me. And I was "following" some others.

    I felt really agravated by my email account having being used in such a way.

    I will be paying far more attention to Google's conduct in the future. The sad thing is that all this debacle was entirely avoidable, and some common sense would have sufficied to manage everything satisfactorily (Google should have hired me, I understand about security and privacy matters :-) ).

  81. There is the little privacy problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't use Facebook because I don't want to be stalked online, and they will not get my real name anytime soon.

    So Why should I use something where my privacy is so svagedely exposed?

    I want to keep family, friends, colleagues, acquaintances, business partners and ocassional contacts perfectly isolated from each other. I don't want people in my real life to intrude into my online activities and viceversa.

    If Google wants to do something about this they could develop the concept of personality or of profiles, so I can check different personality's activities without mixing things.

    I would love to have different email addresses which I can check in the same place and which address books, contacts, buzz activity and others remain neatly separated.

    As things currently are, having several different email accounts in Google is a PITA. Doable but an absolute PITA.

  82. Economics - $$ is #1 (Don't be evil?) by josephcmiller2 · · Score: 1

    It's probably a lot cheaper to pay out a class-action lawsuit than it is to advertise and persuade and plead and beg people to use their service. Google sold out when they went public (literally) and trends are showing they don't care anymore about their users. The strategy benefits their real customers (advertisers) and their stockholders much more. They drew a line in the sand but just kept adding beach on the other side. It's a show of their lack of conviction, which is common to most people.