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iPad Will Beat Netbooks With "Magic"

entirely_fluffy writes "In a talk intended to woo investors, Apple Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook said the iPad will win over potential netbook buyers, but not because of specs or features. No, Cook said, the iPad's magical properties will seal the deal. 'The netbook is not an experience people are going to continue wanting to have,' Cook said, according to Macworld. 'When they play with the iPad and experience the magic of using it ... I have a hard time believing they're going to go for a netbook.'" Another thing that would help would be a camera and a $100 discount, but hey Magic is cool too, provided they have enough mana.

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  1. Hunters.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Given mages constant grieving towards hunters, they will most likely stay away from this.

    1. Re:Hunters.. by Antiocheian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What I like about a netbook:

            * Linux
            * Windows
            * Openoffice
            * Microsoft Office
            * Photoshop
            * Ivona voice reader
            * Keepass
            * Paint Shop Pro
            * Qimage
            * Mplayer
            * Media Player Classic
            * Handbrake
            * FFdshow
            * Goldwave
            * Imgburn
            * SmartDraw
            * VNC
            * Remote desktop
            * Firefox
            * Opera
            * Fallout 1
            * MAME
            * Virtual PC
            * VMware
            * Flash games
            * C64 Emulator
            * Amiga Emulator
            * Spectrum Emulator
            * Qt
            * USB devices
            * Ultraedit
            * PSpad

    2. Re:Hunters.. by box4831 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sounds like he was comparing a netbook to a typical laptop rather than the iPad

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    3. Re:Hunters.. by dragonxtc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You forgot about Flash Based Porn

    4. Re:Hunters.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Magic

    5. Re:Hunters.. by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, you see, with the iPad, there is:

      No keyboard.
      It's more expensive than an introductory laptop
      Has lousy processing and RAM compared to same
      Made of low quality parts.
      The OS sucks on small screens

      But:

      It's from Apple, therefore, all those points are either irrelevant or actually features. You see, it is not the actual hardware or software quality that makes an Apple an Apple. It's the brand. No other brand produces nearly the same sense of smug satisfaction and gloating superiority. Besides owning a large truck that is never used for hauling or off road sporting, nothing says "I have a small penis" like owning something from Apple.

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    6. Re:Hunters.. by ryantmer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      what I don't like about a netbook:

      keyboard too small for real typing
      not much cheaper than an introductory laptop
      lousy processing and ram compared to same introductory laptop
      made of same low quality parts as same introductory laptop
      windows sucks on small screens

      What I don't like about the iPad:

      No keyboard.
      Not much cheaper than... a netbook (actually, more expensive than most).
      Lousy processing and RAM compared to... a netbook.
      Made of the same low quality parts as... well, all consumer electronics.
      Crippled OS is hardly an OS, on any size screen.

      So... what makes it better than a netbook, again, Apple?

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    7. Re:Hunters.. by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

      For some Apple fanatics, Apple could sell them a kick in the balls and they'd stand in line for six days just to buy it.

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    8. Re:Hunters.. by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nonsense. Some of us Apple fanatics actually have a bit of common sense, despite what you may have heard, and don't just buy anything that Apple sells. For instance, to use your example, unless it was reasonably priced (say, under $700), designed well (they had better be using decent shoes, and not just Keds or Nike), would be usable for an extended period of time (this kick needs to last for at least the next few years), and demonstrated a high degree of security (i.e. I shouldn't get any viruses during the kicking procedure), I wouldn't go for it. Plus, a lot of the time, their customer support with AppleCare is top-notch, so if my balls happen to break during the kick, they would probably be willing to replace them with iBalls at no additional charge. It's reasons like those that keep me coming back to Apple, and not just them slapping their name on anything that they fancy.

    9. Re:Hunters.. by node+3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The hell are you talking about?

      He's talking about all the rumors saying it would be "less than $1,000", which means $999

      When it was first announced it was announced WITH the price, and the general reaction, here and other places I looked, was "wow, that would be nice if it was $300".

      No, the general reaction here (and some other places) was that it's a big iPhone, and it would be nice if it was a tablet MacBook. Criticism that it would be a good product at $300 wasn't to be found anywhere. The 32GB iPod touch costs that much.

      The only criticism that mentioned anything about $300 was that netbooks cost that much, and are "more capable". Where the iPad $300, those people would have just said, "for the same price, I can buy a netbook that is more capable", as their argument really isn't about the price, but about wanting a small device that runs Windows, Linux, or Mac OS X, which the iPad most certainly is not (and for good reason).

    10. Re:Hunters.. by Spitfirem1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      For some Apple fanatics, Apple could sell them a kick in the balls and they'd stand in line for six days just to buy it.

      I'm pretty sure that was called Apple TV.

  2. Re:$100 discount? by Hyppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone was estimating $999 based upon the foolish assumption that it would actually be a useful piece of gear as opposed to a glorified e-reader.

  3. The magic of a black box by Microlith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So many people treat computers like a black box that I wouldn't be surprised if this does give netbooks a run for their money. It's doubtful that it will take hold in the more technically oriented community (closed as it is,) but in the "I don't care I just want it to work" arena it may do quite well.

    As for what the hell the magic is, above and beyond being a giant iPod/iPhone, I do not know.

    1. Re:The magic of a black box by natehoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Does it honestly need to be anything more beyond a giant iPod Touch?

      I would never have spent the money on an iPod Touch, but I won one in a contest. I'm a full card-carrying geek, but at the risk of losing my geek card, the iPod Touch was a magical little device. It's absolute crap for listening to music (limited storage space, crappy tinny speaker, etc) but as a little miniature computer it is truly amazing. I played with it for about 1 day before my wife latched on to it and wouldn't let go (what the hell? saved me buying her an iPhone).

      During the time I've used it, I found myself occasionally thinking, "gee, you know, the interface is top notch, the tablet form factor is perfect for casual surfing, but I just wish the screen was bigger".

      The geek in me hates the closed nature, the fixed memory, the non-replaceable battery, the Reality Distortion Field telling me what apps are OK for me to run and what are not.

      The "screw it just want to surf the web in the evenings and maybe read a book occasionally" is fighting with the "but you can't spend $600 for THAT!" accountant in me over whether I want one.

      A netbook is cheaper, probably has better battery life, is less "closed", and by all accounts is a better solution to any problem you care to name. But, sitting in bed or lounging in the easychair wanting to look up some obscure bit of trivia or watch a video from the Olympics (can't do it on the desktop - Linux Users Need Not Apply at nbcolympics dot com), I find myself snagging the iPod more often than I dig out the laptop. The tablet-style form factor is just too convenient.

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  4. Re:$100 discount? by stoolpigeon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is reflected in the framing here as well. The ipad can beat netbooks? Well, for the money I can get something better than a netbook. But that comparison wont be as flattering so the bar is pushed lower.

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  5. Re:Sorry Netbook wins still by Duradin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Less space than a nomad too.

  6. Re:Sorry Netbook wins still by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You missed the most important thing: a netbook will run any application I want it to run. I do not need someone's permission to run the programs I want to run. No app stores, no being denied software, no being treated like an imbecile.

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  7. Re:Sorry Netbook wins still by Microlith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You're making the same mistake as the rest of the industry, in supposing that the features you list actually matter to the majority of the consumer base.

    1. If Apple can replicate it closely enough with an onscreen keyboard, then most people won't care. It won't suffice for many (which is why my phone has a physical keyboard) but it may for most.

    2. Someone who would reasonably debate an iPad vs a netbook would likely not make this a consideration.
    3. Same as 2.
    4. Considering that nearly every netbook is the same, often with varying (and low) build quality, yes they can be had for cheap.
    5. Apple's selling that slipcover thingy, I suspect they'll have huge sellthrough on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't also a pile of 3rd party covers available on release day too.

    As I stated in a previous post it likely won't catch on among more technical audiences, but it has a fair chance (especially considering Apple puts thought into the UI unlike every netbook vendor) among the "I just want it to work" audience, which is far, far larger.

  8. Stop mentioning Netbooks by Alistair+Hutton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple reallllllly need to stop mentioning netbooks.
    The cheap, gimped, version of the iPad is twice as expensive as a netbook. Every time they say netbook it reminds people that there's a perfectly adequate device that is in many ways more capable than their device for far less money. Everyone was initially amazed that Apple had produced a tablet computer for $500, their amazement waned when they realised Apple hadn't produced a computer.

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  9. Witchcraft! by sajuuk · · Score: 5, Funny

    More evidence to prove my case calling for Apple to be burned at the stake!

  10. Re:Magic huh? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think it's pretty sad when you have to resort to Sorcery to sell your products. That should be a crime.

  11. Re:That Explains The Updated SDK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's amazing how dense the majority of the Slashdot audience is.

    For the wide majority of people, the functionality of an iPad and a netbook are exactly the same.

    Can you browse the web?
    Can you email?

    Those two questions make up a huge percentage of most netbook users experience.

    Factor in the app store and it is no contest.

    Cult of Personality? Puhleaze. The "magic" he is talking about is the same "magic" that most users see when comparing a command line interface to a well designed GUI.

  12. Re:That Explains The Updated SDK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Amazingly enough, this is why the average Slashdotter isn't a millionaire.

    The iPad is a perfect kitchen computer. I could easily give it to my halfwit mother and she'd be entirely comfortable with it. There are more people in the world like her than there are people writing code.

    Most computer users want their hardware and software to work like appliances and having an outstanding UI is a part of that. Let me give an example that is probably near and dear to the hearts of everyone here.

    You're in bed, surfing porn. Now, you can do it with a notebook that requires a trackpad and keyboard to use, or you can use the iPad.

    Your call.

  13. Re:That Explains The Updated SDK by Pojut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    iPad doesn't support flash, which means no redtube, youporn, etc.

    My call is for the netbook. ;-)

  14. Re:That Explains The Updated SDK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Me and my business partner have been running a small coffee shop near a college for a couple of years now. I used to be a programmer, and he used to be a DBA, in our past lives. So we're familiar with technology.

    Anyway, due to our location and business we get a lot of the so-called "hipster" crowd at our establishment. Don't get me wrong, they're great for business. There's little better than selling a specialty coffee at an 800% markup to these fools. But it's hilarious to hear them discuss Apple products.

    When the iPad was first announced, you wouldn't believe the excitement these hipsters harbored. Some of them were literally crying when Jobs first showed it. My and my partner thought it was sort of fucked up how our customers were reacting to a pretty dismal product announcement. To these freaks, it's a religion.

  15. Re:That Explains The Updated SDK by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doesn't hatin' on your own customers kind of put you in a similar moral position as those business owners who catered to the gay community in California but then turned around and voted against their equality? 'We'll take your money, but secretly we think you're pathetic...' No wonder you're posting as AC... ;-p

    Don't get me wrong, I agree with you completely, it just seems disingenuous.

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  16. Re:Sorry Netbook wins still by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh, look, someone who doesn't get it. The iPad is not a computer. If you want a computer, buy a computer. You obviously want a computer, based on your list. Don't buy an iPad - it's not the product that's right for you. You'd do about as well buying a dishwasher - it's not the product you want. The iPad is, however, the product that a lot of people will want - people who aren't looking for a computer because the iPad is not a computer.

    Did you even read the summary? If the Ipad is not a competitor to netbooks, how is it going to beat them? If the Ipad is a competitor to netbooks, how is the OPs comment evidence of not getting it? Netbooks are computers, Tim Cook said that the Ipad was going to beat them. That means that Tim Cook apparently thinks that the Ipad is a computer.
    I agree that the Ipad is not a computer. Therefore it is not a competitor to netbooks. It is, also, not cheap, which means once again it is not a competitor for netbooks. But the article we are discussing is talking about the Ipad competing with netbooks, so comments talking about things that netbooks have that the Ipad doesn't are valid.

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