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UK Bill Would Outlaw Open Wi-Fi
suraj.sun writes with this excerpt from ZDNet about another troubling aspect of the UK's much-maligned Digital Economy Bill:
"The government will not exempt universities, libraries and small businesses providing open Wi-Fi services from its Digital Economy Bill copyright crackdown, according to official advice released earlier this week. This would leave many organizations open to the same penalties for copyright infringement as individual subscribers, potentially including disconnection from the Internet, leading legal experts to say it will become impossible for small businesses and the like to offer Wi-Fi access. 'This is going to be a very unfortunate measure for small businesses, particularly in a recession, many of whom are using open free Wi-Fi very effectively as a way to get the punters in. Even if they password protect, they then have two options — to pay someone like The Cloud to manage it for them, or take responsibility themselves for becoming an ISP effectively, and keep records for everyone they assign connections to, which is an impossible burden for a small cafe,' said Lilian Edwards, professor of Internet law at Sheffield University."
Relatedly, an anonymous reader passes along a post which breaks down the question of whether using unprotected Wi-Fi is stealing.
Film at 11, streamed live via. WiFi!
First post. I've given my credit card details, scan of passport and my fingerprint to the clerk. Can I have WiFi now please?
It really depends upon how it is that they do it, but at the end of the day open access points aren't any more the cause of infringement than ones that one pays for. At any rate people shouldn't have truly open access points to begin with. I know that with PF you can set things up to redirect to a log in page that has them agree to the rules. You could always require they put some form of identification in which should get you off the hook for making it anonymous. Unless the new requirements would require an ID check. Which I'm sure there's some reasonable way of dealing with.
This is mostly just an excuse to shake people down for their change than actually fight any kind of real problem.
Bars were outlawed. The only place that could serve drinks were private clubs.
So I paid a $7 "membership fee" at the door and had a great time. First drink was free!
To paraphrase the philosopher Ian Malcom, "Life finds a way".
What happens when your diners start sharing across an ad-hoc wireless network in your shop? Are you obliged to jam signals?
Yet another case where elected officials aren't really thinking, or they don't understand what they're doing.
1) They think everyone can still have free Wi-Fi in public places, but it'll be "protected."
or
2) Someone's paying them off... Maybe the ISPs since they can swoop in and say, "Hey! Even though you can't offer free (beer) wi-fi, we can help you out! We can set it up so any BT subscriber can use your wi-fi, and that's like X% of the population. That'll be almost as good."
Or, it could just be innocent rampant stupidity.
"shut it down, shut it all down, forever"
At my work we have both. a closed mac address limited, use WPA keys to gain access. This dumps traffic right onto the VPN, with it's own inernal DNS severs, and traffic management( some websites are blocked etc)
But we also have an open access unsecured AP that uses the local ISP DNS servers, and never touches the closed network. This is for salesmen to gain internet access when they visit. There is usually range limitation on that point as well. I ofen see this type of setup at places that offer free wifi with their services. One closed network for themselves, and one open one for guests.
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
I believe this is about coffe shops and universities, where the network accessible through those APs is completely separate from the "work" network and absolutely intended to be open, for the convinience of the customers and students. Thus, it's got nothing to do with what you said at all.
This is Slashdot. Common sense is futile. You will be modded down.
> "This seems almost unprecedented to me, for a government document."
This seems quite ordinary to me, for a government document.
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UK outlaws open wifi, mandates WEP for all secure connections!
Open wi-fi should be as legal as me, on my own property giving away things for free. No one would care if I was giving out free water bottles on a hot day, nor would anyone care if I was giving away books for free, but when I'm giving away something in essence unlimited* it becomes bad?
*yes, it does increase bandwidth and would slow down your internet use, but how often is someone going to notice that?
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
Unfortunately, the way this and other legislation are being crafted, just about everyone connecting to the Internet in any fashion will be considered an outlaw as far as copyright holders are (apparently) concerned. No luck required at all.
-MT.
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Yeah, not only a bad idea, but how the hell are you gonna enforce it? I mean seriously, anybody driven down around a couple of square blocks in Downtown, Anywhere with a sniffer lately? What, at least 40 or 50 APs show up, most of which are unsecure?
Heh, if they do have some sort of WiFi goon squad running around with a scanner, one could keep them busy for a while with FakeAP...
Because we all know that coffee shops hide servers behind the counter.... Most of the time the free wi-fi they provide is simply an extra consumer-level connection that goes to a cheap-as-free router, they change the SSD and let people use it. Its no big deal if someone uses it and doesn't buy a coffee either, they pay the same for it if someone drank 1000000 cups of coffee or if someone drank one. Its a good advertising scheme too, traveler is walking downtown sees an open access point for a coffee shop, goes in has a coffee and uses the wi-fi.
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
Of course using unprotected WiFi isn't stealing. Public wifi is generally unprotected, and using it isn't stealing.
The point should instead be, perhaps, whether using unprotected WiFi without permission is stealing.
But then, I suppose, that ultimately amounts to whether or not using anybody else's WiFi without permission, whether or not they had it protected, is stealing.
Because the measure of someone's ability to access the facilities should not be an indicator of whether or not they are allowed to use it, the only thing that ought to matter is whether or not they ever had any real permission to access it in the first place.
One could offer the point that an owner's failure to protect their WiFi from public use should be an indicator that it is intended for public use, but officially speaking, no real protocol for such an assumption actually exists.
I personally don't care whether or not it's called stealing or not... using somebody else's things without their actual permission is rude at best and can be illegal at worst (in the case of computer facilities such as WiFi, it actually is illegal in Canada. See sec 342.1 of the Canada Criminal code)... so really, what does it matter if it's actually called stealing or not?
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
As an owner of a small business I can't imagine leaving our WiFi open.
I've not yet met a single company that keeps their internal network open, but I've met many companies that have an open guest wifi - completely firewalled off, but for visitors and contractors and whatnot that need it. The internal network usually comes with a ton of restrictions and mandatory proxies and whatnot that makes it near impossible to let guests on it without providing them with corporate laptops, which is overkill for say an online demonstration. For example it means I can pull up my company's VPN solution from a client site, something I can't do using their computers, 1) because they don't have the software and 2) because our policy wouldn't allow it.
Even those coffee shops and such that offer wireless against purchase aren't really interested in who you are, just getting some sales. If you pay cash and get a receipt code, that's normally good enough for them. More remote places where it's not practical to "hang out" nearby and leech just won't bother at all, because they get your business anyway. Lots of places just see the convienience as a plus, not a problem. It only becomes a problem if the police come knocking and say "Hey, I think there's been some nasty things going on from this access point". In which case you need a properly recorded ID to get anywhere, a MAC or knowing he bought a cheesemeal won't help you.
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If you have a WiFi point that has access to any node which contains credit card data you are risking trouble. There is no reason for a Wi-Fi point of any type to have access to the same network that contains credit card data. You just setup the connections for the wifi point to go out to the web for your customers.
I'm sure if you paid Peter Mandelson* some brown envelope money then he would amend the law. But as it is, I think he's more interested in the kind of money that media moguls have when he goes mixing with them on yachts in the South of France for a "friendly chat." The man and the current UK government are evil. * the chief architect of this whole bastard Digital Economy law
Take Nobody's Word For It.
What's really needed is a multi-national organization to address what's clearly an all-out assault on internet freedom by a variety of vested interests. Governments, patent trolls, multi-national entertainment corporations...all of them are pushing in the same direction, and there doesn't seem to be any unified push back.
Let's be clear: I'm not alleging a conspiracy. What I'm saying is that these groups all know where their best interests lie (screwing the consumer/citizen/user/whatever) and they sense that if they don't get their boot on our throat, no matter how badly they have to bend the various constitutions of the democracies they use for cover, the opportunity will slip away. They aren't about to let that happen if they can possibly help it.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Making open WiFi itself illegal in what is otherwise a relatively free nation is just so lacking in even the slightest bit of thought into the matter that it defies all attempts to logically rationalize it. I'm speechless at the idea that the concept could even actually make it as far as a bill.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Would you allow us to have open streets, sir, or should we wear tags to identify us while we walk outside?
Complementing the story about Passive-Aggresive wifi Hotspots, the new trend could putting them locked with password, and naming them ThePasswordIsXYZ9923. They are not open, but whoever wants to use them will be able to do it.
I mean seriously, anybody driven down around a couple of square blocks in Downtown, Anywhere with a sniffer lately? What, at least 40 or 50 APs show up, most of which are unsecure?
where do you live?
I'm looking at 41 APs here (fixed location), 34 of which are WPA/WPA2, 7 WEP, 0 open.
This is similar to what I see at other locations in germany.
But, it might be a violation of your TOS.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Just create a new government department to do those door to door searches if they triangulate an open wifi to your home.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
The government have totally lost the plot. I'll be so glad when BRrown and his morons get voted out in May.
There, its secure :)
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No one is suggesting that you open your business network up. But you might want to setup a separate, Internet-only connection for customers and visitors that does not require authentication. For some businesses this is not an issue, but if you're a coffee shop/etc. it certainly is, and even businesses that just want to provide easy access Internet for clients/vendors/etc. that might be in their office would now be required to identify and authenticate users, which adds a significant amount of hassle for no good reason.
Every call will be logged, every transaction filed, what you do, where you go, who you see and what you think will be traceable. You will be watched, profiled, targeted, and the number plate of your vehicle registered at each motorway intersection.
There will be no cheating and you will do what you are told - though to be fair, for the milch cows amongst us that will not be a problem.
The UK government introduced the quaintly named. "Care in the community" in order to allow them to cut costs by dumping people with serious psychological disorders out of the hospitals and on to the streets.
Now they are taking it a step further. Welcome to, "Imprisonment in the Community". No need for the concentration camps. You are already under control right where you are - going about your daily business.
Sure. And that's probably how the lobbyists sold it. The problem, at least in the States, is that we no longer seem capable of electing politicians who _think_. The good ones just _deal_ and justify it as the way pragmatic realpolitik works. The bad ones purposefully deal for dollars.
I don't get why slashdot made this 1.5 articles, as it makes discussion of this other article semi-offtopic, but:
The guy may have some decent points, but other than mentioning a counter-argument in order to then tear it apart, he has zero balance to his post, which makes it not so much a thorough evaluation of the issue as much as a vent for someone with an ax to grind. The part that I really didn't agree with is how he goes on about how people get enough warnings to use password protection and whatnot that making wifi unsecured has to be effectively an active decision to want to allow people to connect. It has been commonly mentioned on slashdot that bad users pay no attention to warnings, so they never read them, therefore they don't actually know what is wrong. While you could say they deserve to have others connect to their network, this guy takes it as implicit authorization to connect- these people are not likely aware enough to consider other people at all. He likes to make lots of assumptions about what the uninformed user would do, despite the fact that it isn't that hard to actually talk to one of these people and no longer have to assume anything. I get the feeling if you asked this guy for tech help, he would patronize you to no end.
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* Shut down the last hiding-place. Anonymity be gone.
* Make encryption illegal. No Secrets.
* Make people sign every ip-packet with their government-issued key and make ISPs drop all unsigned packets. Total accountability.
=> Everyone secure beneath watchfull eyes (especially our children)
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What's to stop coffee shops from setting a password protected wifi spot and then putting a big poster with the password on it?
right...
Or, it could just be innocent rampant stupidity.
With politicians, never attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by malice.
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Which idiots have still not got round to throwing this out? I hope they have a really good excuse.
"Welcome to our world. We are the wasted youth. And we are the future too." Yes, I know these are stupid lyrics.
You have enough skill to handle that task, unfortunately the article implies that the owners of the open networks are incapable of setting up secure networks. I'm sure they would have even more trouble segmenting an open access point.
However, I had not really considered open wireless access points at coffee shops. I assume they usually have at least a key that they change every few days to keep customers coming inside to get coffee.
"We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers." Carl Sagan
Seems like this law could be easily rendered null and void through mass civil disobedience on the part of the small business owners. If one person or a small few break the law, it is a crime whereas if many break the law and do it as part of an organized group, it is a call for change. It will take some bravery for people to thumb their noses at government. Free WiFi is almost everywhere in the states and there is no definitive research to suggest that an open WiFi access point is responsible for more cyber attacks. This is just a UK politco's jump to conclusion in the attempt to gain political influence for himself. The enforceability of the law is virtually impossible and would require people to invariably report on their neighbors.
Ignoring any moral arguments against these laws, did anyone actually do the analysis of the cost vs. benefits? I mean these laws have direct costs for 1) ISPs 2) small businesses/libraries/etc...3) the increased costs to the state for enforcing such laws. There will be indirect costs for 4) all internet users as the cost of connection is raised. Finally, this will mean loss of connectivity, either in certain contexts or simply due to rising costs hence there will be a cost 5) the economy as a whole.
Alright, what about benefits. Did someone do actual accounting how much the entertainment industry will gain from these rules (I am assuming they are the biggest beneficiary). Not how much they are saying they are losing. That's a made up number. But in reality, did anyone analyze how higher the profits will be with these rules in place? What needs to be taken into account is that some people who download illegal content would not buy it legally, and further what needs to be taken into account is that such rules will only reduce the rate of piracy (presumably) and will definitely not eliminate it. People copied content before the internet and they will continue to do so. Perhaps less so, but it will continue to occur.
Finally, did anyone independent really analyze the benefit to society and economy from the increased profit of the entertainment industry? Is there a pressing need? Are there fewer artists that create content? Are movie studios not making new movies? Would really more content be generated with these rules in place? Do make sure to figure into any analysis that decreased connectivity will to some degree stifle content creation, and besides the negative effect on society that this may have, this will also have a negative effect on the very industry which they are trying to "protect."
Another perhaps strange effect is that people ARE willing to pay for things even when it is possible to get them for free. Economists often forget to figure in this effect. If you look at statistics of album sales during the napster days, you will notice that sales were up when napster was around and there was plenty of illegal music sharing, and sales went down around the same time that napster got shut down. Without drawing a conclusion of causality, such correlations should be on better scientific footing that simply the "obvious" conclusion that the music industry could have made even more money if napster wasn't around.
I have not seen any such analysis done anywhere. The only arguments for are the faux-common-sense arguments that espouse the obviousness of the benefits of such rules and therefore there is no need to actually figure out what the benefits are.
Of course I am assuming that internet access does contribute to value creation in an economy and it is not true that internet is used solely for viewing porn and downloading illegal music. If I am wrong in this assumption then of course these rules are a boon to the economy. It will be a double whammy, less illegal downloads AND people will probably do actual work out of boredom from not being able to access porn.
...to move somewhere that isn't England.
TPTB?? What do the LOST producers have to do with this story? :P
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Can't have that.
At least, that's what'll end up on your criminal record.
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I live in Chamonix which is a medium size town in the French Alps, here I'd guess at least 50% of bars, hostels, cafes etc (we're talking at least 60 establishments inside a couple of square miles) have free internet access exactly as you describe, some open/unencrypted and others you just ask for the WPA key from the staff. Also most chalets offer free internet to their customers.
Apart from a couple of the larger hotels I doubt any of these businesses would be able to afford to implement safe guards against P2P. If they were forced to remove this service then internet access would become much harder to find or much more expensive for anyone who doesn't live there permanently. Bare in mind that the minimum contract for a phone line in these parts is 12 months and 80% of the population (for 10 months a year) aren't staying for more than 5 months.
More like "Offtopic".
The parent post has nothing to do with the article. The law being discussed would make owners of open Wi-Fi networks responsible for any copyright infringement done by users of their networks, unless can identify the user responsible. The parent is blathering about whether or not unauthorized access to unsecured Wi-Fi access should be called "stealing". By the way, it's "Unauthorized access", we have different words for different things for a reason. You could also call it "trespassing" or perhaps "theft of service". I'll stop now before I ran too much on this.
I'm also seeing a lot of analogies floating around, such as giving away free food, etc. This seems more analogous to letting people use your phone and they make prank calls to an emergency line or phone in bomb threats. Should you be held responsible for this? I don't believe you should, but it is a lot less cut-and-dry than being persecuted for feeding some folks for free.
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...that the problem is not with the facilities provided (in this case WiFi/Internet) but instead with the people abusing the facilities? If the media companies want these things to be policed they THEY should be paying for it and it should be policed in a way that does not impact services in any way (e.g. slowing things down). Where money is involved, you are guilty until proven innocent, it seems
Selective enforcement is key here. Locking up anyone you don't like is easy when everyone's a criminal.
The UK already has one: they patrol neighborhoods scanning for unlicensed televisions, those on which they haven't paid their "license fee", which anyone else in the world would call a television tax.
Whilst WEP encryption has been shown to be very broken and easily defeated, the flaws found so far in WPA and WPA2 are not nearly as easy to utilise. There was a detailed breakdown of this a few years ago on the 'Security Now' podcast by Steve Gibson of GRC (with a little help from Leo Laporte). Here's the transcript of that episode, along with links to download the audio to listen to.
In short, the combination of AES encryption and a strong password make for a network that is going to require a *lot* of work to break into.
-MT.
-MT.
how about offering (free) transmission only to well known VPN services? In that case the internet access point is the VPN and the VPN provider is the internet provider? That would be reasonable because it also protects the users agains malicious free WIFI APs and other users. It would invoke that the shop does not keep and store data in an undefined way and therefore have no additional costs for the shop. It would require no contracts between the shop and the VPN providers, and therfore the shop could reasily offer as many services as desired.
Moreover it would educate users.
We have our internal network on separate subnet from the public wiki. Even then, people have to register their MAC address to get internet time. However, all the terminals are all wired connections.
I wouldn't use wireless to transmit cc-details.
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If people who want to provide open access become prohibited from doing so, the workaround will be to sort of standardize on a universally-known password, meaning users would know to try a particular password anywhere, any time when looking for otherwise-open access. I suppose this wink-and-a-nod method might cause problems, since users would then technically be using a network without authorization, but it could work.
This is a hacked account, for which the owner can not be held responsible.
The linked info at the Open Rights group is a Microsoft Word document.
No they don't, it's just a scam to scare you into paying.
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Because an upcoming Internet censorship system would be worth shit, when everybody could just route around it via wifi.
You might see this in other countries too, in the future.
Then again, we can route around it, by moving to a still free country. Or founding our own. Or kicking the current government’s ass.
Wouldn’t exactly be the first time, you know. ^^
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The idea of a public TV license isn't as unique to the UK as people seem to think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence - It's a lot more normal than you might think and doesn't make the UK unique or special.
It's more the US that's "special" because they don't have one.
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Making it unfeasible for cafes to provide Wi-Fi because of liability issues is not OUTLAWING anything. It's a bad bill with poorly thought out wording written by stupid legislators, but it's not evil "we hate freedom and all it stands for" law that the OP makes it out to be. Fear mongering is bad whether you use it to deny gay rights or to stamp out stupid bills.
It's not the existence that's so appalling: it's the labeling of it as a "license", reather than a tax, which is what it most clearly _is_. Most "licenses" grant you permission to do something, in a public area or a use that would actually _prevent_ others from using the resource. In this case, it's for merely possessing equipment, in your own home. That makes it pretty clearly a property tax, not a "license" by most legal definitions.
Telcos don't want interconnected community wifi spots all over urban areas, because everyone with a phone or laptop would bypass their precious mobile networks and use VoIP over Wifi instead.
Which constitutional amendment governs our "internet freedom"? Double-points if you can point to the British version.
It's a private network with voluntary participation. Which enumerated power of Congress grants any power over that?
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